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== C++ Symbols ==
Hi, Im try using "windows debugging tools" to get some useful information about some crashs since windows 7 doesnt have the so called "dr watson" anymore (which creates a dump useful for toady).
For the debug info to be more useful, there is an option to use symbols file (*.pdb)
I found some c++ symbols in the wiki but is it possible to make a real pdb file out of that?
copypasta into a new txt file and renaming the extension doesnt seem to work.

== Clarification on "Verification" of content ==
The policy is that all content from 40d must be verified before making it to the 2010 namespace. Whould confirming with the changelog that something hasn't changed be good enough to meet this requirement? If not, does this means that each feature must be tested in game? [[User:bongotastic|bongotastic]] #11:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:In general the changelog is not sufficient. For example, the changelog doesn't say that the [[DF2010:Archery Target]] is now broken, but if you tried it out personally before moving it then you would know that simply copy-pasting this is a bad idea. Not a small task I know, but long-term this is far more valuable. Any article in particular you were thinking about? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 12:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==
Any thoughts on this page? Any potentially useful organizing ideas? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:I think this is a great idea. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 17:03, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Missing discussions? ==
Are there any important discussions I've missed, or anything you'd like to discussion that you'd like a location to discuss? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:Will any articles be pruned away or merged? In the jump from 40D to v31 a lot of articles that used to be served well by tables seem to have become their own articles, which really clutters the place up and scatters information all over unfindably. Stones, ores, and gems are the most obvious, they really only need three tables instead of hundreds of articles. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 19:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Might I suggest responses go to the just created [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation|Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Article Consolidation talk page]]. I think this is a big issue worth discussing, and so it deserves to be discussed there. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 21:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:I wonder, is there a place here for a Future Versions Ideas page? I have many ideas for things that could be used in future versions of Dwarf Fort, but there's no way to get the word to Toady that I'm aware of, aside from straight e-mailing him...--[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 20:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not really sure if the wiki is the right place for something like that. I mostly say that because I don't think that he will look at what we set up for the wiki either. There is a [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0 Suggestions Forum] that seems to be the best place for that kind of thing. I imagine if he looks anywhere he looks there. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 19:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Template madness ==
Okay I was looking at [[DF2010:Native platinum]] and wanted to make the changes but the arrangement of templates make editing the sidebar incredibly complicated even for the fairly good amount of knowledge I have of the wiki.

This really doesn't need to be this complicated. Could someone explain how it works and more importantly why it needs to be so complicated. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 21:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, we need a short tutorial on templates. This is shutting out IPs (and probably the majority of editors) through the backdoor. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 00:32, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Template Here] [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Parser_functions you] [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Parser_functions_in_templates go.] [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Right. You make it obvious that excessive use of templates will make the wiki unusable for all but a small aristocracy. Plus we would still need a central place frequently visited by editors that links to those pages. Maybe link to the -still missing- ''short'' tutorial next to every template in the articles? --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 20:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::You seem confident that you will get what you want. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magmawiki skin feedback ==
I just decided to try out the new skin. I am using it for ten minutes and I already can't imagine using anything different, it's great!--[[User:SanDiego|SanDiego]] 13:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== If not consolidation, then what? ==

I don't seem to have a lot of support for article consolidation, and have abruptly been relieved of the time I had to try and help. Fine. I still insist the clutter of pages remains troublesome. Whenever your search is slightly off, instead of returning few to no results, it returns hundreds of irrelevant results. When I search for BODY_SIZE I don't want creature_standard.txt, grimeling size, mud man size, olmman size, fire man size, insert-material-here-man size or anything else's tags, I'm looking for info on the tags themselves. Same when I search "raws", I don't mean those of beetles, whales, walruses, sturgeon, stingray, etc, etc, etc. Redirects won't fix this until we redirect every possible thing that needs to be redirected, at all, ever, but that seems an even more exhaustive task than tables.

Is it possible to prevent the search from indexing these stub articles, or at least giving them less priority? The 'whale' page is going to be irrelevant to anyone not searching for whales... --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 17:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with you that there isn't the support for consolidation. I do understand what you're saying. It seems like there are two possible solutions to your problem.
:*Better organization: This is entirely possible, but very complicated. I've been trying to improve this but it is very difficult. If you don't have the time to work on this and improve it you'll have to rely on my inconsistent free time to make some improvements. If you have some good ideas besides "make it better" I'm all ears.
:*Better search: This is much more difficult, and probably not exactly possible given the extreme constraints that is the mediawiki software. You'd be pleased to know that we ([[User:Briess]] and [[User:Emi]]) are working on developing a new wiki software specifically for DF. Details can be found [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Magmawiki|here]] and [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=55613.60 here]. I can only assume that they will make sure to provide improved searching as one of their goals, but if you want to post in the forum thread your wishes that would probably be useful.
:[[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 20:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's not the wiki that sucks, the search function is limited. You are simply asking too much. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 00:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gamelog Template? ==
We should add a "gamelog" template, so that bored players (like me) can easily locate other player's gamelogs about the fun adventures they are getting up to. I'd do it myself, but I have no idea how to. -[[User:Romeofalling|Romeofalling]] 21:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about a template, but I have been wanting a way to find other users who are "logging" their games on the wiki for weeks. Can we have a page listing such things, and feature a link to that page on the Main page? -- [[User:Maunder|Maunder]] 21:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC) (now heading to look at Romeofalling's page)

Okay I added a [[Stories#Game_Diaries|new section]] to [[Stories]]. Anyone who is chronicling their fortress on the wiki, please add a link to your story [[Stories#Game_Diaries|here]]! -- [[User:Maunder|Maunder]] 22:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bloodline ==
Currently there is a [[bloodline|bloodline page]], a [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Bloodline_games bloodline category] and a [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex&from=&namespace=100 bloodline namespace]. I understand that community stuff is currently lower priority than getting the other content ready for players, but this should all be consolidated and made easily accessible. I'd be willing to do it, but should we go with the category or namespace? [[User:Calite|Calite]] 00:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Community Portal ==

Why was the [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]] link dropped from the sidebar? We kind of need to have a '''reachable''' list of editing guidelines, especially given the "dwarfs/dwarves" conflict that's going on (where said page states that the proper term would be "dwarves" due to being used in-game). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:16, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

== crayon art rewards-donation drive to illustrate the wiki ==

I found [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=77360.0 this topic on forums] and as experiment added image to [[DF2010:Gorlak]]. Is it a great/good/acceptable idea? Is it possible that there is certain licence problem? Maybe it should go to infobox? I prefer to ask before uploading 30+ images. [[User:Kogut|Kogut]] 17:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

==Adding pictures from commons==
Hello, I am trying to add a picture of a [[DF2014:Kiwi man|Kiwiman]] I draw and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DF-Kiwiman.jpg put on Wikimedia Commons] but I dont seem to be having any luck in being able to put that image on the Kiwiman article page using Wikimedia syntax. How can I add this picture from Wikimedia Commons? I am not authorised to create new articles on this Wiki so uploading the image directly here is not an option for me right now. --[[User:Discott|Discott]] ([[User talk:Discott|talk]]) 12:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

:It shows up for me below the column on the right. (You should be able to create new pages now, since Briess changed the requirement to 3 edits, but it doesn't matter in this case since this wiki can pull images from Commons.) —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:00, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

::It is showing up for me as well now, I suspect I just needed to refresh my browser or it was due to some sort of lag between the DFwiki server and Commons... or some thing like that. --[[User:Discott|Discott]] ([[User talk:Discott|talk]]) 20:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Randomly deleted files? ==

<strike>I had uploaded sheet music for the two ingame tracks, and displayed them [[Soundtrack|here]]. Mysteriously, almost all of them disappeared. For instance, if you try going to [[:File:Song title2.png]], and checking the history you can see I ''did'' upload it on Feb 17, so I'm not crazy. Is this as server problem or something? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]])
:And actually something similar happened with [[:File:Intro_movie_1.gif]] as well. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 04:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)</strike>
Nevermind, a quick ?action=purge and everything is fine. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 04:43, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

== .SVG problems? ==

[[:File:Translation Icon.svg]]
Does anyone else see the errors in this file page? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 03:54, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:I do.[[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 17:06, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
::Briess says this is fixed: https://github.com/DF-Wiki/DF-Wiki/issues/6. That's probably a good place to report issues in the future since all of us should notice (and email notifications aren't broken). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Multiple redirects leads to incorrect namespace ==

There appears to be an issue wherein navigating to a page by means of multiple redirects puts you on the wrong namespace. For example, when going to [[Herbalist]] this correctly automatically redirects to [[DF2014:Herbalist]]. Whereas if you go to [[Herbalism]], that page appears to be a manual redirect to [[Herbalist]] (which should take you to the DF2014 namespace) but instead you end up being taken to [[v0.34:Herbalist]]. The behaviour of the automatic redirect is not consistent when reached via an intermediate manual redirect page. The same problem affects [[Sweet_Pod]] and probably many other pages. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]] ([[User talk:Morlark|talk]]) 22:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:Yes; the wiki software (and the internet in general) handles moved resources...poorly. My suggested fix is to [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Versions#Reorganizing_versions|avoid moving resources]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 04:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::Wait, are you thinking this applies to pages that were moved at some point with [[Special:MovePage]], or just pages that were copied over by a bot? All of the DF2014 pages fall into the latter category, and should behave pretty normally, but it's entirely possible that there's some weirdness with moved pages (the former category) that I'm not aware of. It could just be issues with double redirects, though, since those seem to be the only pages I've noticed issues on. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

:::By "moved" I meant "no longer at the same URL". All the external links, the Google indexes, and even the wiki software itself don't handle resources that are at a different URL gracefully.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 03:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

::::As far as the wiki software is concerned, [[DF2014:Cat]] and [[DF2014:Dog]] are equally different from [[v0.34:Cat]], at least internally, because we effectively created brand-new DF2014 pages and just copied over the contents from v0.34 articles. The Google issues are annoying, and I think Briess was looking into a way to weight current pages more heavily, but I don't know if that ended up being possible or not. As far as I can tell, the chief issue within the wiki is the one Morlark pointed out, with redirect chains not ending up in the right namespace (it's probably due to the auto-redirect extension, but none of us have been able to figure out ''why'' - as far as we can tell, we changed everything that was necessary to change, and editing the problematic redirects tends to fix them, but there's absolutely no reason why they should be cached for this long or anything). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

:::::Creating, copying, wiki-moving, etc. are all equivalent as far as nearly everything is concerned. So you copied v0.34:Cat to DF2014:Cat. Meanwhile Main:Kitty, which used to redirect to Main:Cat then to v0.34:Cat... still redirects to v0.34:Cat. Even though it's now nearly 4 years out of date. And will continue to do so until someone goes in and manually fixes it. Unfortunately, Google is even less forgiving--you can't go in and manually tell Google "Hey, we want you to point to these new pages now". No matter how you did it, you're still changing the URL that you want things to link to by default, and that still doesn't work well.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

::::::Oh, that's a good point about external sources. The issue with redirects within the wiki is due to something not being updated as it should, though, and it ought to be fixable. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

===Solution for this===
Couldn't we just change all main-space directs to [[cv:Example]]? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 10:48, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

:It's been a while since I've looked at this, but I think that should work. Then again, the current mainspace redirects should work too, in theory, but they don't. It's possible that the issue is due to badly-behaved caching, in which case changing the redirects to cv would fix them temporarily but not permanently, just like editing them now does. In other words, I'm not sure it would improve the situation (at least if/when we make a new namespace), but it shouldn't make it worse. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:28, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

::Just another suggestion– have the current version always be at like dwarffotresswiki.org/Quickstart_guide then have the old versions be moved to something like dwarffotresswiki.org/Quickstart_guide/v43 when a new version of dwarf fortress comes out. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] ([[User talk:Jecowa|talk]]) 02:12, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

===Update, June 2019===
I had a bot go around and create redirects from main namespace pages to ``cv:`` pages. Let me know if there are any remaining issues or pages that were missed. (I intentionally skipped /raw pages.) —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:*There are still [[Special:DoubleRedirects|700+ double redirects]]
:*The updated wiki doesn't even try to follow double redirects
:*If you enable double redirection it probably won't work since the people who wrote the wiki software consider double redirects invalid
:*If you somehow manage to get the wiki to link to the proper page, search engines et al. will still link to outdated pages
:::--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

::Double redirects are enabled. I just changed the capitalization on [[Rum]], for example, and now it actually goes straight to [[DF2014:Alcohol]] when I access it instead of stopping at [[Alcohol]]. Obviously editing redirects constantly isn't a great solution, but I figured out where they're cached in the database, and that clearing them from that cache fixes the issue, so I'm looking into ways to fix it with an extension. Hopefully that will help. At any rate, it's better than the old system where seemingly-correct redirects would sometimes redirect to the ''wrong'' namespace - at least now, you get a link to the right page that you just have to click on.
::As for search engines, that's always been an issue. Not sure what we can do about that, unless we want to fully blacklist older versions from appearing in search results, which isn't great.
::Side note, the new wiki supports HTTPS, so I wasn't logged in when I followed your link to the HTTP site. I changed that to an internal link (I expect that wasn't intentional, but starting a link with "//" without the http(s): in front will use the same protocol the current page is using). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
:::[[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Versions#Reorganizing_versions|This proposal]] would handily resolve almost all linking issues, foreign and double, and fix a few other annoyances to boot.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
::::It would also introduce some issues that I mentioned there, particularly with versioned categories and templates (which are currently very easy since every versioned page has a namespace that corresponds directly to these), as well as distinguishing between versioned and non-versioned pages (yes, {{tl|av}} should cover those, but people forget to add that sometimes). I'm regretting the "DF2014" choice now that it's 2019, though, and your proposal certainly does have its merits. It's worth considering again, at least, definitely before the next breaking release rolls around.
::::I'll still try to get double redirects to work in the meantime, though, because we might still have a use for them. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::I think you are vastly overestimating the effort required to integrate mainspace pages. A simple wrapper template ({{tl|DFNAMESPACE}}) can return appropriate namespace text for mainspace articles, making versioned templates and categories "just as easy". A handful of other templates ({{tl|Category}}, {{tl|version switch}}, {{tl|articleVersion}}) would also need updated. So {{tl|Creatures}} would expand to {{tl|Main creatures}}, creatures would get added to [[:Category:Main:Creatures]], etc. You could even use a namespace alias like "Current" if you prefer ({{tl|Current creatures}}, [[:Category:Current:Creatures]]).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::"Main" is actually an alias too, so I'd prefer "current" (aliases are pretty easy to set up). That is a good point, though. Most (hopefully all?) of the places that assume the current namespace isn't the main namespace are in templates, and updating things like {{tl|category}} has to be done anyway for new namespaces. I'm not 100% sold on doing this before the next breaking release, but I think it's reasonable. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:15, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

== DFFD links ==

After I saw Lethosor fixing a dffd link in the recent changes ([http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Utility:Raw_tile_selector&curid=18633&diff=232687&oldid=199844]) I was curious how many pages still refer to the old DFFD URL, and doing a search [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=dffd.wimbli.com&fulltext=Search] shows that there are several. Is there an easy way to substitute "dffd.wimbli.com" with "dffd.bay12games.com" globally? [[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 13:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Wiki upgrade issues ==

===Diagrams===
There seems to be a problem with spacing in some infoboxes (previous version shown on right):

[[File:Wiki-copper.png]]

This appears to affect all pages using the {{tl|RT}} template: [[stone]]s, [[metal]]s, [[crop]]s, [[gem]]s, [[Fluid logic]], etc.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:There are wider CSS issues on that page too, like the quality template not being colored and the av links being blue. We didn't see this on the testing site, so I'm not sure what broke, but I'll investigate. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Update: the table is the only issue now. Probably Mediawiki-related, then. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:I think this has been addressed (subject to caching, of course). The issue was that Mediawiki now styles the <code> tag to <code>look like this</code>. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::The images on [[fluid logic]] are still spaced out.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::Actually, the infobox images are still vertically spaced as well.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:::I think I have improved [[DF2014:Copper]] ({{tl|RT}}, {{tl|RT0}}) and [[DF2014:Fluid_logic#Infinite_Flow_Gates]] ({{tl|RTL}}). [[DF2014:Fluid_logic#Advanced_Complementary_fluid_logic_Gates]] is different somehow despite using the RT family of templates. I'm tempted to turn those into <diagram>s, but I'll keep poking around. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::::While I support updating the diagrams, it's unlikely that [[fluid logic]] is the only page with spacing problems. We either need to fix the old templates or entirely replace them.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 00:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::I definitely agree. I can't think of much else to check on fluid logic, though. Just to confirm, are you referring to the vertical white lines between columns under "Advanced Complementary fluid logic Gates" (the NOT, AND, OR, etc. diagrams)? Is there an archived copy of the wiki somewhere that you're referring to? I don't want to keep bothering you when it comes to comparing things to the old wiki. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::The [http://dfweb1.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Fluid_logic dfweb1] server is still returning the old wiki, at least for me. While the [[fluid logic]] diagrams are looking much better, there are still white horizontal lines running through (previous version on right):
::::::[[File:Wiki-fluid-edge.png]]
::::::(I think the size/font disparities are caused by the loss of upper-level CSS on the old version.)--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 11:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I made a small tweak on {{tl|RT}} and {{tl|RT0}}. The spacing issue seems fixed on my end. – [[User:Doorkeeper|Doorkeeper]] 19:45, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I couldn't do the same with {{tl|Raw Tile}}, so I replaced <nowiki><code></nowiki> with <nowiki><div></nowiki> instead. Is there a reason for using <nowiki><code></nowiki>? I don't notice any significant differences (aside from the spacing fix). – [[User:Doorkeeper|Doorkeeper]] 20:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
{{od|7}}
<div> caused issues because it's a block element, as in "input triggers: {{Raw Tile|X|#A00|#444}}{{Raw Tile|X|#0A0|#444}}" - these tiles took up an entire row with a div tag. I changed it to span and that's better, but I'm still seeing white vertical lines in the diagrams at [[DF2014:Fluid_logic#Advanced_Complementary_fluid_logic_Gates]] and below. Thanks for the fix, though! I assume the reason for using <code> was that it's monospaced, and other templates used it, but {{tl|Raw Tile}} specifies several monospaced fonts anyway, so not using a code tag should be fine. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

{{tl|diagram}} appears to be broken on [[DF2014:Climber]]. Investigating. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:34, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:Update: this is a massive pain and I regret trying to fix it, but I will look at it some more at some point. I fixed at least one Unicode issue that was causing issues for me locally, but that didn't seem to help. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::Non-capturing parens weren't working for some reason; I removed them and the diagrams are back. (Broken pages may require a null edit to pick up the change.)--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
:::I don't like that solution, but it does work. It's worth noting that that regex ''does'' work from Mediawiki's eval.php, so I think this is a parser issue. I debugged it a bit locally, and some regex replacement in the parser is returning ``null``, which results in a blank page. I haven't yet determined why, though. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

===Links display with underscores===
The wiki seems to be inserting underscores in multi-word links, as seen in the vermin template on [[toad]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:This is part of an issue I'm actively fixing (originally links to main:foo would link to DF2014:main:foo if foo had spaces in it). It should be better in maybe 10 minutes. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Fixed. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks!--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

===Missing raws===
Some raws are now missing, e.g. [[Giant cave toad]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:25, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:No idea on this one either. We didn't delete any raws, as far as I know. I'll look into it. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Interesting, TOAD_GIANT_CAVE isn't in creature_subterranean.txt (or any raw file) in the DF2014 raws on the server. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Seems we have an old version of the raws, which were presumably copied from an older migration attempt. TOAD_GIANT was renamed to TOAD_GIANT_CAVE in 0.42.05, and TOAD_GIANT is in the raws. This should be a simple fix. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Fixed. Good catch! Other raws should be updated now too (subject to caching, again, of course). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

===Variation raws not inheriting from base creature===
The logic for parsing inherited/derived body sizes appears to have broken, e.g. [[Giant sperm whale]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:I don't see any obvious issue there. Maybe the raw updates above fixed this? They included a couple small additions to giant sperm whale, like ``[CREATURE_CLASS:MAMMAL]``. The links to [[sperm whale]] and [[sperm whale man]] work for me, if that's what you mean. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:18, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::The infobox contains no "Size" information because bodysizes aren't being correctly inherited from the base creature. The page displayed the inherited sizes correctly prior to the update.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::In a likely related issue, the "Genderless" label is being mis-applied to derived creatures (e.g. [[Hippo man]]).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:41, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Are you certain this wasn't an issue before the upgrade? I'm struggling to think of likely causes at this point; DFRawFunctions should be the only relevant extension here, and it is up to date now. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:47, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::::Yes. Here's a comparison (update on right):
::::[[File:Wiki-giant-whale.png]]
::::Biome, Attributes, Age, and Size are all incorrect. The {{tl|variation raw}} template doesn't appear to be copying the raws from the base creature correctly--the updated /raw page is *much* shorter.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 00:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::This is weird. The "expanded" page on /raw definitely has more than the unexpanded version visible on the creature page itself, so the creature variation code is definitely doing ''something'', just not everything it's supposed to do. I'm thinking it has to be an issue with the extension itself, which would be a pain to troubleshoot. I've pinged [[u:Quietust|Quietust]] about it, in case he has any ideas about what could be going on. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:44, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::I found a small syntax error in DFRawFunctions which used to silently "work" (passing a parameter by value when it needed to be by reference, though the target function never actually used it) but started throwing a Warning in PHP 7.1 - upon fixing it, creature variations appear to be working properly again. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 00:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

===Workshop diagrams===
Workshop illustrations have overlapping tiles, e.g. [[Siege workshop]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:That was another <code> issue in {{tl|Raw Tile}}. Why it's a different template from {{tl|RT}} is beyond me. It should be fixed there, although the siege workshop looks a little strange to me still. Maybe it's a font issue, which would be tricky to resolve. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:47, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

===External links with double brackets===
There seems to be something odd going on w/Bay12 forum refs (example: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#HABIT_NUM) Uncertain as to extent, likely cause being, well...*looks at topic title*. [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 22:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:I don't think that was a legal link to begin with - it had two square brackets around an external link. I fixed it to use {{tl|cite forum}} - feel free to use that if you encounter other similar issues. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::The old wiki apparently evaluated the interior brackets to make a URL link surrounded by (non-wikified) brackets. The updated wiki preferentially evaluates the double brackets, creating a garbled wikilink instead. I don't know if that format was "legal", but it was ''previously working''.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 00:44, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::If it is behaving differently from the old wiki, it's probably due to the NamespaceLinks extension, which is new (the old wiki used a Mediawiki patch for this, but that was terrible to maintain). I haven't bothered to test this syntax on MW 1.20 to confirm that it really did work before - if it didn't, I definitely don't want to handle this case in the extension, but if it did, I'll try to come up with a fix (it will be a low priority, though). Detecting external links could be complicated because there are many possible protocols that would need to be handled (e.g. we've added support for ``magnet:`` links ourselves). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
::::I don't think we need to support this format, I just wanted to explain why it no longer worked. The remaining double-bracketed URLs can be converted to the proper single-bracket format without much effort.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 11:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

===Favicon missing===
The updated wiki doesn't appear to be serving a [[wikipedia:favicon|favicon]] image (used by browsers for bookmarks, tabs, etc.).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 11:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:I think this is fixed now (it took effect faster than I expected, but it's certainly serving something at [//dwarffortresswiki.org/favicon.ico favicon.ico] now). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

== Google policy violations ==

Apparently we [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Special:Log/delete lost a longstanding custom illustration] because it "violates a google policy :(". I fail to see what policy a drawing of dwarf butcher carrying a cat might violate, and I strongly dislike giving Google editorial control of DFwiki content. Can we get more detail about this removal, and perhaps a "policy" of our own regarding future Google violations?--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:It fell under a general policy against "shocking content" on pages that serve ads. We can restore the image we build some controls that allow us to selectively disable ads on pages which have policy violations. [[user:Emi|Emi]] [[user_talk:Emi|[T]]] 04:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
::If it's possible to check for page categories in the DFAds extension, it ought to be fairly simple to do that (make a template like {{tl|spoiler}} that also categorizes a page). That relies on people not deciding to remove the template, of course, and I'm not entirely sure if the page object is accessible from the hooks DFAds uses. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

== Certain pages showing up messed up ==

I don't know if I pressed a button by accident, or if the page is just using a different formatting. Certain DF topic pages are showing up with the banner on the left, on top of the page itself.

Also the text is zoomed, which might be my problem. [[User:Eerr|Eerr]] ([[User talk:Eerr|talk]]) 21:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

:We did perform a server migration this week, which could be related. However, I haven't seen any issues after trying 50 or so random pages, and I'm not really sure what the issue is that you're describing. Can you upload a screenshot of an affected page (e.g. to imgur)? —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

:Sounds like the same issue as [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=176901.0 this forum thread], which I just fixed. Let me know if you continue to see issues (and if so, on what pages). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

== Projects ==

Some ideas for wiki improvements:

* A place to organize\suggest things to get done. There is a [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Improvement Drive]] but you'd be lucky to stumble on it even if you are looking for something like it.
* Improved Infoboxes and navigation - [[User:Doorkeeper]] has currently claimed that workshop.
* Interface project - Make sure that all [[:Category:DF2014:Interface]] articles have an UpToDate screenshot from the current vanilla version. Bonus points for also re-uploading on top a version with points of interest marked and making sure they are noted in the article.
* Modding project - Improve the [[modding]] article, could be useful particularly with upcoming Steam release bringing new players.
* Utility project - Clean up the mess.

Please expand/comment as needed. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 05:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

== Animals illustrations ==

There is a 'Wild Animals of the World' series of cigarette cards from Allen & Ginter, from late 1800s (i.e. public domain). That might be of use to bring a little color to our animal pages that are dominated by RL images. For example [https://openclipart.org/image/800px/276206 wildboar] for [[wild boar]]. More examples can be found here: https://openclipart.org/search/?p=2&query=Cigarette%20card%20animal --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

== Massive spoilers Templates==

Not sure where\when the spoiler policy was decided and I know how hard it can be to get attention to a topic, so in the hope of getting the ball rolling on this eventually, I am going to just say it: I hate the 'Massive spoilers' {{t|spoiler}} template, in particular when used within the article then its just a navigation hazzard that often skip through the use of TOC resulting in unexplained gaps we need to scroll through. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 14:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

:I agree. It might not (understandably) be of the highest priority to address, but it would be much less obtrusive and more intuitive if there was an "expand"/"reveal" toggle for the relevant section, rather than a large blank space following the warning. I don't know if this is actually an option with the current wiki capabilities, but either way, it feels like there might be a more elegant editing/style solution than just a large white space to scroll past. As a redundancy; in case of editing oversights, an alternative solution might not require anyone to scroll past potential spoilers to reach further information. [[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 20:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

== New in .. Templates ==

Concerning the {{t|New in}} Template. I understand the need for the template during wiki migration, major game releases or feature changes to highlight new features especially those that break save game compatibility, however, at what point we can safely remove it? as this information become superfluous cluttering the page for example, I am currently reading an v0.47.05 article with notice that that part of its section is only relevant to DF 0.42.01 and newer.. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 12:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Centralized Discussion ==

I'm seeking real-time centralized discussion with the wisdom behind the 2nd best wiki. Sorry, but you'll never beat Wikipedia.

Has it really been over 3 years since an instant messenger like Discord has been used for the sole purpose of discussing the wiki and its contents?

I'll share the primary reason. I know a a book written on the topic, I'll summarize it.

In order to provide the best design, real-time collaboration must take place with everyone knowledgeable. If the time it takes to get feedback is too long, then best case is that the best work won't be produced, worst case is all interest in progressing will be lost.

Is there somewhere that everyone here agrees upon to use for real-time collaboration?

User:Blitz4

2023-12-02T13:32:20Z

Blitz4:

Wiki Backlog
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_page#What_to_put_on_your_user_page
* [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Cite howto cite]. verify dfwiki rules.
* https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Category:Wikiprojects

Project Backlog
* keymap layout
** svg, css, js, or MediaWiki extension
** read from default interface.txt
** print pretty 1-page printable dark/light-mode keymap
* full haulable items list
** all items are haulable
*** group items with identical weight and type
** include the following fields:
*** name
*** type
*** weight
*** volume
*** density
*** origin(s)
*** destination(s)
*** container(s)
*** stack size
**** notes of how the items are stacked
**** issues with stacking in containers
**** transporting stacks in or out of containers
*** average time to haul
*** average time to create
*** rottable
**** time to decay/rot and exceptions to the listed time
*** notes related to hauling, storage and logistics
* logistics flow chart
** expanding upon [[Workshop]] image
*** v1 includes all haulable items, origins and destinations
**** get 'er done location arrangement
*** v2 includes stockpiles, containers, stack size
**** efficient location arrangement
*** v3 includes time
**** stockpile size, location
**** proper location arrangement

User:Blitz4

2023-12-02T13:18:15Z

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Domestic animal

2023-11-22T01:47:08Z

Blitz4: Add MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE tag for non-domestic birds and the reasoning why.

{{Quality|Exceptional}}
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[[File:domestic_sprites_preview.png|right]]'''Domestic animals''' are [[creature]]s that can be used by a [[civilization]] one way or another without any [[Animal training|training]] required, usually for security or food. Distinguished by having the {{token|COMMON_DOMESTIC}} tag in the [[raw file|raws]], they can be bought at [[embark]] or [[trade]]d for with [[caravan]]s. Wild versions of domesticated animals ([[horse]]s, [[turkey]]s, etc.) can be captured in [[cage]] [[trap]]s and receive training, which will turn them completely tame afterwards.

[[Dwarf]], [[human]] and [[elf]] civilizations have access to the same variety of domestic animals, which are listed below. [[Goblin]]s can't use these, but rather have access to domesticated [[beak dog]]s, which dwarves can only access by capturing in the wild or as [[Mission|spoils of war]]. Meanwhile, [[kobold]]s and subterranean [[animal people]] have no 'domestic' animals at all.

Every embark starts with two free, randomly-selected domestic '''draft animals''' which arrive with the [[Wagon (embark)|wagon]] at the fortress site. These can be any of the animals in the list below which are available at embark that have the {{token|WAGON_PULLER}} tag ''(i.e. [[horse]]s, [[yak]]s and [[water buffalo]]es)''. Note that the two animals do not (intentionally) come as a "matched pair", and so may not be from the same species. Embarking with a sufficient quantity of goods can result in multiple wagons, each of which comes with another pair of randomly selected animals. Since fortresses cannot move their wagons ''after'' embark, these "draft" animals can be [[Butcher|slaughtered]] or kept for breeding, or can become [[pet]]s for making certain dwarves [[preferences|happy]].

When purchasing* draft animals at embark, the player may choose which gender of animals (only one male is necessary for breeding). [[cat|Depending on the animal]], you may wish to limit breeding altogether, or assign a [[gelder]].

: ''(* Note that the two free draft animals per wagon are not "purchased", and so are randomly generated, both re species and gender.)''

== Comparison of domestic mammals ==

When butchered, all adult domestic mammals yield one [[skull]] and one [[leather|raw hide]]. All milkable mammals give the same value of [[milk]] and appear to be milkable at the same frequency. The embark costs shown apply to both adults and juveniles of either sex. All domestic mammals reach adolescence at 1 year and adulthood at 2 years, except [[Cavy|cavies]], which take half as long. All [[Grazer|grazing]] animals require a [[pasture]]; the lower the 'grazer' value, the larger the size of the required pasture.

The tag [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Creature_token#LITTERSIZE LITTERSIZE] was removed in v50 and it's now believed the [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Creature_token#MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE] tag determines litter size for the below animals. For Animals with the tag, it's rare to have a litter size over 1.
{| border="1px #AAA solid;" style="text-align:center;" class="wikitable sortable"

!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Animal
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Sprite
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Embark cost
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Pet value
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Size when full-grown*
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Total edible†‡
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Bones‡
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Horns + hooves
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Milkable?
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Shearable?
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Grazer§
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Multiple Litter Rare?
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Notes
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Alpaca]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Alpaca sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|70,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|35
|style="padding:0.2em;"|16
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|2614
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Beak dog]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Beak dog sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|26
|style="padding:0.2em;"|50
|style="padding:0.2em;"|150,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|35
|style="padding:0.2em;"|16
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Domestic for goblins only, also poultry.
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Cavy]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Cavy sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|2
|style="padding:0.2em;"|3
|style="padding:0.2em;"|800
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|74768
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Cat]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Cat sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|11
|style="padding:0.2em;"|20
|style="padding:0.2em;"|5,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|14
|style="padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Adopts owners. Hunts [[vermin]]. Beware [[Catsplosion]]!
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Cow]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Cow sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|151
|style="padding:0.2em;"|300
|style="padding:0.2em;"|600,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|37
|style="padding:0.2em;"|15
|style="padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|522
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Dog]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Dog sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|16
|style="padding:0.2em;"|30
|style="padding:0.2em;"|30,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|37
|style="padding:0.2em;"|11
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Trainable as war dogs or hunting dogs, which can also be bought for 31☼.
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Donkey]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Donkey sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|300,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|30
|style="padding:0.2em;"|13
|style="padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|878
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Goat]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Goat sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|26
|style="padding:0.2em;"|50
|style="padding:0.2em;"|50,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|27
|style="padding:0.2em;"|10
|style="padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|3364
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Horse]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Horse sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|500,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|32
|style="padding:0.2em;"|13
|style="padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|599
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Llama]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Llama sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|180,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|36
|style="padding:0.2em;"|18
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|1287
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Mule]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Mule sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|400,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|34
|style="padding:0.2em;"|13
|style="padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|708
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|All-male, cannot breed.
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[One-humped camel]]+
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:One humped camel sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|251
|style="padding:0.2em;"|500
|style="padding:0.2em;"|500,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|54
|style="padding:0.2em;"|17
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|598
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Domestication not guaranteed.
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Pig]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Pig sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|51
|style="padding:0.2em;"|100
|style="padding:0.2em;"|60,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|17
|style="padding:0.2em;"|8
|style="padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Only [[Milker|milkable]] domestic animal that does not graze.
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Rabbit]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Rabbit sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|2
|style="padding:0.2em;"|3
|style="padding:0.2em;"|500
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|106,366
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Reindeer]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Reindeer sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|130,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|28
|style="padding:0.2em;"|16
|style="padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|1643
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Sheep]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Sheep sprite anim.gif|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|51
|style="padding:0.2em;"|100
|style="padding:0.2em;"|50,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|27
|style="padding:0.2em;"|8 or 10¶
|style="padding:0.2em;"|4 or 6¶
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|3364
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Cheapest [[Shearer|shearable]] domestic animal.
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Two-humped camel]]+
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Two humped camel sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|251
|style="padding:0.2em;"|500
|style="padding:0.2em;"|500,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|44
|style="padding:0.2em;"|17
|style="padding:0.2em;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|598
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Domestication not guaranteed.
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Water buffalo]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Water buffalo sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|1,000,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|70
|style="padding:0.2em;"|20
|style="padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|356
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[Yak]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|[[File:Yak sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;"|101
|style="padding:0.2em;"|200
|style="padding:0.2em;"|700,000
|style="padding:0.2em;"|42
|style="padding:0.2em;"|16
|style="padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|No
|style="padding:0.2em;"|465
|style="padding:0.2em;"|Yes
|style="padding:0.2em;"|
|}

:<nowiki>*</nowiki> Gives a crude estimate of ability in combat, and thus danger to hunters. This number comes from the raws, so it might also be a better estimate of butchering results than the dodgy numbers from this wiki. 
:† Total of meat, fat, and offal. 
:‡ Maximum reported in infoboxes in this wiki, April 2011. Strongly influenced by individual attributes, especially for larger animals. Use with caution! 
:<nowiki>§</nowiki> A lower number means the animal needs to graze more often, and will thus need a larger [[pasture]]. Cats and dogs have the {{token|CARNIVORE}} tag and do not graze or require pasture. 
:¶ The higher number is for rams.
:+ These animals don't possess the {{token|COMMON_DOMESTIC}} tag, but may be domesticated due to having {{token|PACK_ANIMAL}}. Unlike the others, they are not guaranteed to exist in your civilization.

== Comparison of domestic poultry == 
All domestic poultry have a [[pet]] value of 10 and cost 6[[currency|☼]] at embark. Blue peafowl, geese, and guineafowl reach adolescence at six months and are full-grown after one year; ducks, chickens and turkeys reach adolescence at one year and are full-grown after two years. When butchered, all full-grown poultry yield one [[skull]]; those that yield bones also yield a [[leather|raw hide]]. However, domestic poultry are much more efficient when used for [[egg production]] than as a meat source; over the lifetime of an average hen, many more meals can be produced from the eggs. This is especially true for ducks and guineafowl.

{| border="1px #AAA solid;" style="text-align:center;" class="wikitable sortable"

!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Animal
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;"| Sprite
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Min. [[egg]]s
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Max. eggs
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Avg. eggs*
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Egg size‖
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Years til full-grown
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Max Age
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Size when full-grown
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Total edible†‡
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;background:#DDD;text-align:center;"| Bones‡
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[Blue peafowl]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[File:Peafowls sprite anim.gif|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|6
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|8
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|7
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|102
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|1
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|15-30
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|4000
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|17
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|6
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[Beak dog]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[File:Beak dog sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|5
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|10
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|7.5
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|1600
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|2
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|10-20
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|150000
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|35
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|16
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[Chicken]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[File:Chickens sprite anim.gif|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|4
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|15
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|9.5
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|62
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|2
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|7-15
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|3000
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|13
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|4
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[Duck]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[File:Ducks sprite anim.gif|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|8
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|13
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|10.5
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|52
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|1
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|7-9
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|1000
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|0
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|0
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[Goose]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[File:Goose sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|3
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|8
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|5.5
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|152
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|1
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|10-24
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|4500
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|17-18
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|6
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[Guineafowl]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[File:Guineafowl sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|4
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|15
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|9.5
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|42
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|1
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|10-15
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|1500
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|0§
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|0
|-
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[Turkey]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|[[File:Turkey sprite.png|25px]]
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|10
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|14
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|12
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|87
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|2
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|7-10
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|5000
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|19
|style="padding:0.2em;text-align:center;"|6
|}
:<nowiki>*</nowiki> Estimate based on mean of minimum and maximum clutch sizes. 
:† Total of meat, fat, and intestines. 
:‡ Reported in infoboxes in this wiki, April 2011. Might be influenced by individual attributes. Use with caution! 
:§ A yield of 2 meat, 2 fat, a skin, and a skull has been reported for butchering a guineafowl. This seems to be rare. 
:‖ Egg size does not currently affect food quantity

{{Translation| dwarven = rodnul emär | elvish = wotha fela | goblin = ongob slulasp | human = hustra dik}}

{{Category|Creature attributes}}
[[ru:Domestic animal]]

World generation

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{{Quality|Exceptional}}
{{av}}
[[File:worldgen_small_steam.png|thumb|250px|right|A standard small-sized world.]]

To begin playing, you must first '''generate a world''' to play in. World generation can take a long time and may seem like a nuisance, but it is actually the heart of the game.

While you wait for the counter to finish, an entire fantasy world with unique geography, history, and even language is created. Entire civilizations rise, wage war, fall, rise again, and fall. Countless characters, each with a unique appearance and personality, live their lives, some of them calmly, while others go out and influence history. The world's complexity could rival the works of Tolkien himself. These [[World activities|activities continue]] even after world generation, as you play the game. ''Dwarf Fortress'' is not only a game, it is a gigantic fantasy world simulator. [[Fortress mode|Fortress]] and [[adventurer mode|Adventurer]] modes allow you to influence a tiny part of that tale and write ([[Legends|or read]]) your own chapter; one chapter in an enormous bookshelf.

== Basic world generation menu ==
{{Dual image
|premium=File:DFwikiBasicWorldGenSteam.png
|classic=File:BasicWorldGen.png
|width=640px
|caption=World gen menu
}}

The basic world generation menu looks like this:

=== World size ===
"This controls the size of the world map." Using basic world generation, the size options are:

* Pocket (17×17 region tiles)
* Smaller (33×33)
* Small (65×65)
* Medium (129×129)
* Large (257×257)

Each region tile corresponds to 16×16 local area blocks of 48×48 [[tile]]s each.

Setting this to a larger value will cause world generation to take longer, as more events will need to be calculated per step. Selecting bigger worlds will reduce the [[Frames per second|framerate]] (update speed) of the game in fortress mode, so selecting small or smaller worlds is recommended.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" style="text-align:center;"
|-
!
!width="80"| Pocket
!width="80"| Smaller
!width="80"| Small
!width="80"| Medium
!width="80"| Large
|-
! [[Forgotten beast|Forgotten beasts]]
| 12
| 27
| 75
| 243
| 867
|}

=== History length ===
[[File:history_gen_steam.gif|thumb|right|278px|Animation of a pocket world's land and history being developed.]]"This is the (maximum) length of pre-generated history." The number of years for the currently selected length will be shown in the lower right. A longer history allows more time for civilizations to grow, attack each other, and starve to death before the player can start playing. It also determines the amount of time that [[megabeast]]s will have to roam and kill things, get killed, etc. The longer the history, the more historical events will be generated by the time gameplay begins.

Note that history generation can be interrupted and the world saved far short of the selected history value. (Players might choose to do so if they are trying to reach a certain [[Calendar#Ages|age]], if they want to embark near a [[Tower (necromancy)|tower]], or if worldgen has slowed to a crawl, for instance). The actual length of history generation determines the details of the world; the history configuration setting only establishes a maximum year at which generation will stop automatically.

Longer histories will cause world generation to take longer, both because there are more years of events and because there tend to be more events in subsequent years. Conversely, shorter histories will take much less time to generate, but may limit some features (civilization size, sites, knowledge, historical artifacts, and necromancer towers). Longer histories will also increase the number of abandoned (sacked) towns and fortresses, which can matter for adventure mode, but conversely, doesn't matter that much for fortress mode. The recommended values for worlds you plan to use for adventure mode are Short or Medium.

History will still progress after world generation, concurrently with normal gameplay, but this will, of course, be much slower (around two weeks per session start, in either fortress or adventurer mode). Therefore, it is recommended to set the history length so that the number of sites, megabeasts, and historical events is roughly what one wants it to be during gameplay.

The youngest world possible to generate is 2 years old. This can be done through custom world-gen parameters. For more information on the history aspect of the game, see [[Legends]] and [[Calendar#Ages|Ages]].

=== Number of civilizations ===
This controls the number of distinct civilizations that exist in a world. Civilizations are [[Dwarf|dwarves]], [[human]]s, [[goblin]]s, [[kobold]]s and [[Elf|elves]]. It should be noted that this refers to different kingdoms of the same races, where a smaller number of civilizations (smaller than 5 - 7) may exclude one or two races from your world, but fewer civilizations will reduce history generation time, while larger numbers of civilizations would increase history generation time and make historical events happen much more often.

The maximum amount of civilizations is affected by the world size. At higher numbers (> 40) humans, kobolds and elves are more frequent than dwarves and goblins.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" style="text-align:center;"
|-
!
!width="80"| Pocket
!width="80"| Smaller
!width="80"| Small
!width="80"| Medium
!width="80"| Large
|-
! Very Low
| 3
| 4
| 6
| 8
| 10
|-
! Low
| 4
| 6
| 9
| 13
| 20
|-
! Medium
| 5
| 9
| 14
| 24
| 40
|-
! High
| 7
| 13
| 24
| 44
| 80
|-
! Very High
| 10
| 20
| 40
| 80
| 160
|}

=== Maximum number of sites ===
This affects the maximum number of [[Advanced_world_generation#Site_cap_after_civ_creation|new sites]] such as [[town]]s, [[hamlet]]s, [[forest retreat]]s, etc. existing civilizations can expand to during world generation combined. New sites increase the maximum amount of members of the civilization founding the site. High site numbers increase the duration of history generation by a huge amount of time. With very low site numbers, only the civilization's home settlements may exist after a few years of history with a high probability of getting eradicated by some event. Turning this up is advised for adventure mode games.

The total amount of sites is affected by the selected world size.

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" style="text-align:center;"
|-
!
!width="80"| Pocket
!width="80"| Smaller
!width="80"| Small
!width="80"| Medium
!width="80"| Large
|-
! Very Low
| 4
| 17
| 66
| 260
| 375
|-
! Low
| 13
| 51
| 198
| 780
| 1125
|-
! Medium
| 18
| 68
| 264
| 1040
| 1500
|-
! High
| 27
| 102
| 396
| 1560
| 2000
|-
! Very High
| 36
| 136
| 528
| 2000
| 2000
|}

=== Number of beasts ===
This controls the number of [[megabeast]]s, [[semi-megabeast]]s and [[titan]]s that exist at the beginning of the world. They can later die (get killed) due to historical events, so the longer the history, the more likely some of them will die. The number of beasts does not appear to impact how often your fortress will be attacked by beasts in [[fortress mode]]. In [[adventure mode]], it means it will be easier to find more megabeasts. If set very low, then you may actually run out of beasts during a game.

Since beasts can attack civilizations, more beasts may reduce the population of the world a little bit. The total amount of beasts is affected by the selected world size:

{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" style="text-align:center;"
|-
!
!width="80"| Pocket
!width="80"| Smaller
!width="80"| Small
!width="80"| Medium
!width="80"| Large
|-
! Very Low
| 0 / 1 / 0
| 0 / 1 / 0
| 2 / 4 / 1
| 9 / 18 / 4
| 37 / 75 / 16
|-
! Low
| 0 / 1 / 0
| 0 / 1 / 0
| 3 / 6 / 2
| 13 / 27 / 6
| 56 / 112 / 24
|-
! Medium
| 1 / 2 / 1
| 1 / 2 / 1
| 4 / 9 / 3
| 18 / 37 / 9
| 75 / 150 / 33
|-
! High
| 1 / 3 / 1
| 1 / 3 / 1
| 6 / 13 / 4
| 27 / 55 / 13
| 112 / 225 / 49
|-
! Very High
| 2 / 4 / 2
| 2 / 4 / 2
| 8 / 18 / 6
| 36 / 74 / 18
| 150 / 300 / 66
|}
*Read numbers as: Megabeasts // Semi-megabeasts // Titans

=== Natural savagery ===
Increasing this value increases the number of [[Surroundings#Savage|savage]] [[biome]]s in the world. In short, this means that more areas are likely to have aggressive animals which may try to kill dwarves immediately upon embark, and attack adventurers more often while traveling.

New players may want to just leave this at the Medium setting (which isn't that hard) or set it lower. Turn this up to make the game more [[losing|fun]].

=== Mineral occurrence ===
This is a rather important parameter for [[fortress mode]]. Sparse means that many areas will only have one or two types of metal ore, if any, which could be very annoying to people until the economy is fully (re)implemented and other metals can more easily be obtained via trade. New players should probably turn this up to Frequent. See [[Advanced_world_generation#Mineral_Scarcity|Mineral Scarcity]] for more details.

In [[adventure mode]] this can impact the types of metals that civilizations have access to, which can then in turn affect the types of items that are available in shops. Therefore, it may not be a bad idea to turn this up for worlds in which you plan to play [[adventure mode]] games.

== The generation process ==
Once you're satisfied with your parameter selections, hit {{k|y}} to proceed.

The screen will show something like this:

[[File:worldgen_anim_steam.gif]]

The name of the world will be randomized in basic world generation mode.

=== Rejections ===
{{main|World rejection}}
You may notice that during various phases of the world generation process, worlds will be rejected, leading to the rejection count going up and the process starting over. This happens because certain factors, such as the number of mountain tiles, can't be determined ahead of time by the generation process. Instead, worlds are generated with parameters which are likely to produce worlds that can support a required number of mountains, and are then checked to make sure they meet the criteria. For example, the random generation of the topography of the land may result in too few high-elevation areas to place mountains.

In practice, you don't need to worry about this for basic world generation, because the preset hidden values that determine acceptable criteria are designed to decrease the chance of rejections, but certain combinations of basic parameters (especially with very large worlds) may make it harder for the process to generate "acceptable" worlds. Basically, what this amounts to is that world generation will just take longer for certain parameter selections that are more difficult for the generator to satisfy.

=== Map generation ===
[[File:resources_worldgen_steam.png|thumb|320px|right|Location and resources section of the screen.]] First ''Dwarf Fortress'' generates the map topography. This process is generally much faster than history generation (unless you've specified parameters that lead to constant map rejections).

In an interview{{cite|gamasutra|https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/343859/}}, [[Main:Toady One|Toady One]] described map generation:

:"It allocates the memory for the map. Then it chooses what sort of pole (e.g. north, south) it is going to have (or respects the parameters fed by the player, throughout.) The basic map field values (elevation, rainfall, temperature, drainage, volcanism, wildness) are seeded along a grid of variable size, respecting various settings (oceans, island sizes, other variances, etc.), and then filled in fractally. The poles vary the temperature, and it selects some points for the highest peaks. Here it does a first pass to see how it is doing, and attempts to adjust some altitudes to fit the map within the desired parameters if it missed. The world can be rejected at this point if it is unfixable, and it tries again.

:The first derived field, vegetation, is then set based on elevation, rainfall, temperature, etc., and it tests for [[biome]] rejections if the map's biomes don't satisfy the ranges set in the parameters. The mid-level elevations are smoothed at this point to make more plains areas, and volcanoes are placed respecting the hot spots in the volcanism field.

:Then we enter the erosion and river stage. Small oceans are dried out, and it locates edges of mountain sides where it can run test rivers. It also places the camera on one of these so the player can watch the process. Many fake rivers flow downward from these points, carving channels in the elevation field if they can't find a path to the sea. Extreme elevations differences are often smoothed here so that everything isn't canyons. Ideally we'd use mineral types for that, but we don't yet. Lakes are grown out at several points along the rivers.

:Elevations are smoothed again from the mountains down to the sea, and the peaks and volcanoes do some local adjustments. Now that the elevations are finalized, it makes adjustments to rainfall based on rain shadows and orographic precipitation. Temperatures are reset based on elevation and rainfall and the dampening effects of forests, and it uses the new values to set the vegetation level one final time. Salinity values are set for the ocean and tiles neighboring the ocean.

:Now that everything has settled down, we can detect the limits of the final biome regions and give them names and their own identity. We also add the geological layers and the underground layers here, though the geological stuff should really be earlier, as previously mentioned. There's a final verification process against the parameters here, to make sure it hasn't drifted too far afield from what the player wanted. Once that's done, it generates the initial wildlife populations in each region, and sets some weather variables."

=== History ===
After generating the world, ''Dwarf Fortress'' will generate a history for that world, tracking civilizations, sites, populations, and other events. This can take a ''very'' long time for large, heavily populated worlds with very long, 2,000-year histories. History generation can be interrupted and the world saved before reaching the maximum year selected on the configuration menu.

In an interview{{cite|gamasutra}}, [[Main:Toady One|Toady One]] described history generation:

:"History itself can begin at this point. Civilizations and caves are placed. It's a bit complicated to go into what happens after that, but the basic idea is that there's a giant zero-player strategy game going on with somewhat loose turn rules and bad AI (but thousands of agents), and history is just a record of that. Procedurally generating stories by recording a log of a simulation is a valid enough approach, though it has drawbacks, of course. It's a lot of work, you need to do post-processing or investigation to find any good moments you'd like to highlight, and if you don't have enough dynamics and mechanisms, the output can be boring (in any number of ways.)"

=== Finishing ===
Once everything is complete, you can take a look around using the directional [[controls|keys]]. (Using {{k|Shift}}+directional key will make this faster.) If you find yourself confused about what all the characters actually mean, you are not alone - check out the [[map legend]]. At this point you can either abort the process, or hit {{k|Enter}} to save the world to disk.

Unfortunately, the post-generation-process viewer doesn't give you a way to view much information about the world, so unless you really hate the look of the map or something, you probably want to just save the world and load it up in [[Legends]] mode to view more information.

== Getting more advanced ==
At first you will probably be satisfied with basic world generation, but later you may find that you want to create worlds with specific, more extreme conditions - check out the documentation on [[advanced world generation]] for help with this.

== See also ==
* https://df-walkthrough.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorials/generating-a-world.html

== Trivia ==
* World generation is where [[Main:Toady One|Toady]] invests most of his time, this is the [http://www.moma.org/collection/works/164920 piece of art] that makes ''Dwarf Fortress'' unique enough for the Museum of Modern Art in New York City.
* The maximum size of the world is comparable to that of the state of Minnesota.
* On the 86th rejected world an error report will appear with four options, this is in reference to the term "86ing" something, which is defined in the Urban Dictionary as "To remove, end usage, or take something out or away." [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=86]

{{D for Dwarf}}
* It is universally known that the world is flat. Anyone who says otherwise has to be [[Unfortunate accident|treated with magma]].

{{World}}

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*Request: I would like to create [[The Long Night]] and several associated articles [[The Long Night: Civilizations]], [[The Long Night: Creatures]], [[The Long Night: Materials]], [[The Long Night: Weapons]], and [[The Long Night: Armor]] to form a more easily navigated guide to the new features found in the mod of the same name. [[Special:Contributions/98.212.135.225|98.212.135.225]] 23:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
** Since this is a mod, it should go under the mod namespace. I've created [[Mod:The Long Night]]; as it expands, I would suggest creating subpages like [[Mod:The Long Night/Creatures]]. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

* request: [[DF2014:Altar]] [[Special:Contributions/35.191.8.17|35.191.8.17]] 00:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
** Done. DF also refers to these as "offering place"s in the {{k|b}} menu, but I didn't see existing pages where either of these were mentioned from a quick search. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[DF2014:Messenger]] specifically with the information that they are assigned on the locations screen [[User:Keupo|Keupo]] ([[User talk:Keupo|talk]]) 06:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
** You already have permission to do this since you've made 3 edits now. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[Civilization/World_Info_menu]] [[User:Azeroth2b|Azeroth2b]] ([[User talk:Azeroth2b|talk]]) 18:33, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[DF2014:Kisat Dur]] [[Special:Contributions/174.27.44.232|174.27.44.232]] 00:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
** Done. [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=148015.0 Forum thread] for reference. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:09, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

* Request: [[DF2014:Reaction examples]] Simply copy the old page from v0.31 for more resources. Many old pages on modding haven't been pushed through versions even when they are still accurate. [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:FD44:7A00:B58A:AB43:BD25:B51C|2606:A000:FD44:7A00:B58A:AB43:BD25:B51C]] 22:23, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Ryga_
** Done.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[DF2014:Philosopher]] and [[DF2014:Sage]] because these are new scholar jobs in 42.xx [[User:Lead Cafe|Lead Cafe]] ([[User talk:Lead Cafe|talk]]) 22:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
** Both are profession titles associated with scholars; I created them as redirects to [[DF2014:Scholar]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 04:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[DF2014:Citizenship]] — here's one article on a new mechanic not currently covered by the wiki, we most definitely need to work on this. — [[Special:Contributions/94.19.200.59|94.19.200.59]] 20:39, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
**Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:17, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[Masterwork:Titanite]]: I can't find any information about Masterwork's Titanite, either from the wiki or Google. After mining some, I can only cut it like gems. Also need a to-do for this: build a crucible to determine if [[Masterwork:Titanium]] can be extracted from titanite. 1 Jan 2016
**Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:17, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[DF2014:Giant firefly]]: Just found one in my latest save of 0.42.05, realized a page didn't exist. [[User:ArcaneMusic|ArcaneMusic]] ([[User talk:ArcaneMusic|talk]]) 22:07, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
** I just added a list of all the new creatures (probably contains some errors) on the talk pages of the [[graphic set]] and [[creature]] pages. Most of those probably need to be added as new pages too. In addition the page [[Back_bear_man]] should be deleted (mistyped b-L-ack bear man). In the future, it would be nice to have a script that simply goes through the creature raws and suggests new pages to be created for missing creature entries. [[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 15:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
***The admins have bots that can create the pages automatically. Part of the hold-up is that the wiki's raws haven't been updated, so new creature pages aren't able to "autofill" with the appropriate details from the raws (and we prefer not to enter all that information manually).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[Masterwork:Drake]] The article is blank. Since these are a domestic animal that players can grab on embark, there should be some information about them for people new to the mod. [[User:Apollo Densin|Apollo Densin]] ([[User talk:Apollo Densin|talk]]) 02:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
** Done.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:50, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

*Version 0.47.1 added [[DF2014:Fort]], [[DF2014:Constructed creatures]], and perhaps [[DF2014:Intelligent undead]]. It also allows to [[DF2014:Mount]] creatures. A lot of other new features deserve their pages. Perhaps we should create a DF2020 version of pages.

== Talk page requests ==

Requesting new talk page for https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Template_talk:DF2014_labors please & thank you [[User:Blitz4|Blitz4]] ([[User talk:Blitz4|talk]]) 02:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I would like a talk page for [[DF2014:Bauxite]] and [[DF2014:Aluminum]]. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom|talk]]) 04:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
:Done. -- [[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Request: Talk page for [[DF2012:Repeater]] [[Special:Contributions/68.6.123.36|68.6.123.36]] 03:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
:Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:44, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Masterwork_Talk:Guildhall [[Special:Contributions/68.46.84.117|68.46.84.117]] 14:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 15:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, would you be able to create a Talk page with the following question for me?:

"Do children born during fortress mode (or worldgen if you can find out) adopt the dieties of their friends/parents, or are they assigned a random diety? Is this with immediate effect from birth?

Thanks.

Josh"

Thank you! :)

Hello, I'd like to open another talk/discussion page for "Size" (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Size) with the following question:

Are there any combat benefits to SMALL dwarves?

On one of the pages for an older version of DF it notes that large creatures like elephants have a hard time landing a hit on small creatures like cavies. Would this alleged bonus to-dodge and/or penalty to-hit modifier translate in any meaningul way for smaller dwarves?
:[[DF2012 talk:Size|Done]]. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 19:05, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to open a talk page for [[DF2012_Talk:Relationships]] with the following note (two paragraphs):

The royalty section is inaccurate. I have a second-generation native-born dwarf in one of my fortresses who has a plentitude of aunts and uncles and listed maternal and paternal grandparents. I'm not sure why having those relationships is only noticed for royalty, but I think it's partially because shorter worlds mean smaller lineages and partially because most forts don't last long enough to see native-born children grow up, get married, and have children of their own. I really don't think there's any reason why extended family would be limited to royalty in any case.

Anyway, I added parents to the Types section, and also grandparents because I hadn't noticed the Royalty section. I'd add Aunts/Uncles but I'm not sure where they fall in on the list, and baby Sarvesh doesn't have any cousins yet.

Thank you! --[[User:Lielac|Lielac]] ([[User talk:Lielac|talk]]) 02:41, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:37, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I feel that [[DF2012:World_generation]] should cover what goes into history simulation, as it is obviously different to simulation in fortress mode.
However, this is not a matter I am educated on. I would put this request on the page, but I cannot yet create a talk page.
:Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 19:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

* https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Template_talk:DF2014_labors
[[User:Blitz4|Blitz4]] ([[User talk:Blitz4|talk]]) 02:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== User page requests ==

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:Created. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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== Redirect requests ==

*[[Hot tub]] should redirect to [[Magma Sea]]—not very common slang, but I've heard it consistently. [[Special:Contributions/68.56.148.200|68.56.148.200]] 06:57, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
**Do you have an example? I've never heard this. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
*[[DF2014:Fun]] to [[DF2014:Losing]]
[[dfhack]], [[DFHack]] and [[DF2012:DFHack]] to [[Utility:DFHack]]. --[[User:Lurker|Lurker]] ([[User talk:Lurker|talk]]) 14:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
* Page "Taming" should redirect to "DF2012:Tame" [[User:Latias1290|Latias1290]] ([[User talk:Latias1290|talk]]) 18:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
**[[DF2012:Tame]] is a redirect to [[DF2012:Animal trainer]]. Created [[Taming]] and [[DF2012:Taming]] as redirects. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
* Page "Gcs" should redirect to [[DF2014:Giant_cave_spider]]. [[Special:Contributions/199.60.104.18|199.60.104.18]] 19:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Just do it yourself next time. Just create the page and add "#REDIRECT" followed by a space and the link to the page.[[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 22:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
::The reason this page exists is because anonymous users can't create pages. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 12:09, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, that makes sense. Should have figured that out on my own.
* [[DF2014:Combat log]] could redirect to [[DF2014:Reports]], I think it's the phrase new players will search for. [[User:Okdewit|Okdewit]] ([[User talk:Okdewit|talk]]) 18:58, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
**Done. [[User:Jwoodward48|Jwoodward48]] ([[User talk:Jwoodward48|talk]]) 00:05, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
* create redirect page "World Activation" and redirect to World_activities [[User:Untrustedlife|Untrustedlife]] ([[User talk:Untrustedlife|talk]]) 00:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
-- Got it done [[User:Untrustedlife|Untrustedlife]] ([[User talk:Untrustedlife|talk]]) 00:16, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
* Page [[DF2014:Guineahen]] and [[DF2014:Keet]] could redirect to [[DF2014:Guineafowl]] the same way [[DF2014:Guineacock]] does currently. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C50E:D66A:5500:0:0:0:10|2A01:C50E:D66A:5500:0:0:0:10]] 17:43, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
* Create redirect page for "Retire", "Unretiring", and "Retiring" and redirect to "Reclaim Fortress Mode" [[User:Benderdragon|Benderdragon]] ([[User talk:Benderdragon|talk]]) 16:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
** Created [[Retire]]; [[Unretire]] already existed, and I'm hesitant to create redirects for the gerund forms - we don't have guidelines that specifically discourage them, but {{Rule|N}} and {{Rule|E}} are similar, and partial searches for "retir" or "unretir" should bring up the relevant pages in the search box anyway. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
*redirect "ringleader" and potentially several other possible titles for crime bosses to [[DF2014:Boss]][[User:Rugnir|Rugnir]] ([[User talk:Rugnir|talk]]) 21:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

== Other requests ==


* Could there please be a smaller version of the "D for Dwarf" template, maybe one that leaves the text ''joke'' near a sentence, so that we don't have a big-ass banner for little one-off jokes in articles and reserve the "D for Dwarf" template for entire sections or articles? [[Special:Contributions/68.56.148.200|68.56.148.200]] 23:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

* Can someone include a discussion about how dwarfs choose which jobs/tasks to do if they have enabled multiple labors and there are jobs in multiple labors on the DF2012:Labor page? Is it based on which job is created first? Their skills / traits / attributes? Which labor they are highest ranked or their titled profession? This seems to be an issue in the LPs I've been watching early on when there are only the 7 starting dwarves, sometimes extending into the first migration. I know a solution is to deactivate other labors, or use burrows, but I'm still curious how it works. Thank you, [[Special:Contributions/108.243.77.185|108.243.77.185]] 03:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

* Hello. I wanted to know how to make the tiles uniform for the ground. I'm sure to have read somewhere once that it was possible to change the tiles to be all "." (I am currently searching for a Goblin Snatcher for a while now ^^). I searched for "ground" what has yielded me a link to above ground page. There was no link there. Could make one to the relevant article or indicate the settings to do please? [[Special:Contributions/31.164.176.33|31.164.176.33]] 20:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
** Done: [[Ground]]. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

* Hi, im new and just want to start translation of the wiki into german. im really into this game and i guess i still could learn a shitload of new stuff by doing this. AND there would maybe be more players around if and when i/we translate. not every german is fluent in english. -f4nt4sy [[User:F4nt4sy|F4nt4sy]] ([[User talk:F4nt4sy|talk]]) 15:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:See [[DF:Centralized Discussion/Translating the wiki|here]]. It's been suggested before, but it's been hard to set something up on this wiki. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

* I'd like to create a page under the centralized discussion for a proposal of subnamespaces for stuff like creatures, skills, etc. under a specific version. Stuff like DF2014:Rat becoming DF2014:Creatures:Rat. I'm not sure if the software allows this, but I thought I'd say it anyway.

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Page request/List

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:''This is a '''list''' of page requests. See [[DF:PR|this page]] for assistance with requesting a new page.''
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== Article requests ==

*Request: I would like to create [[The Long Night]] and several associated articles [[The Long Night: Civilizations]], [[The Long Night: Creatures]], [[The Long Night: Materials]], [[The Long Night: Weapons]], and [[The Long Night: Armor]] to form a more easily navigated guide to the new features found in the mod of the same name. [[Special:Contributions/98.212.135.225|98.212.135.225]] 23:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
** Since this is a mod, it should go under the mod namespace. I've created [[Mod:The Long Night]]; as it expands, I would suggest creating subpages like [[Mod:The Long Night/Creatures]]. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

* request: [[DF2014:Altar]] [[Special:Contributions/35.191.8.17|35.191.8.17]] 00:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
** Done. DF also refers to these as "offering place"s in the {{k|b}} menu, but I didn't see existing pages where either of these were mentioned from a quick search. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[DF2014:Messenger]] specifically with the information that they are assigned on the locations screen [[User:Keupo|Keupo]] ([[User talk:Keupo|talk]]) 06:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
** You already have permission to do this since you've made 3 edits now. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[Civilization/World_Info_menu]] [[User:Azeroth2b|Azeroth2b]] ([[User talk:Azeroth2b|talk]]) 18:33, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[DF2014:Kisat Dur]] [[Special:Contributions/174.27.44.232|174.27.44.232]] 00:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
** Done. [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=148015.0 Forum thread] for reference. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:09, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

* Request: [[DF2014:Reaction examples]] Simply copy the old page from v0.31 for more resources. Many old pages on modding haven't been pushed through versions even when they are still accurate. [[Special:Contributions/2606:A000:FD44:7A00:B58A:AB43:BD25:B51C|2606:A000:FD44:7A00:B58A:AB43:BD25:B51C]] 22:23, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Ryga_
** Done.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

* Request: I would like to create [[DF2014:Philosopher]] and [[DF2014:Sage]] because these are new scholar jobs in 42.xx [[User:Lead Cafe|Lead Cafe]] ([[User talk:Lead Cafe|talk]]) 22:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
** Both are profession titles associated with scholars; I created them as redirects to [[DF2014:Scholar]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 04:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[DF2014:Citizenship]] — here's one article on a new mechanic not currently covered by the wiki, we most definitely need to work on this. — [[Special:Contributions/94.19.200.59|94.19.200.59]] 20:39, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
**Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:17, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[Masterwork:Titanite]]: I can't find any information about Masterwork's Titanite, either from the wiki or Google. After mining some, I can only cut it like gems. Also need a to-do for this: build a crucible to determine if [[Masterwork:Titanium]] can be extracted from titanite. 1 Jan 2016
**Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:17, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[DF2014:Giant firefly]]: Just found one in my latest save of 0.42.05, realized a page didn't exist. [[User:ArcaneMusic|ArcaneMusic]] ([[User talk:ArcaneMusic|talk]]) 22:07, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
** I just added a list of all the new creatures (probably contains some errors) on the talk pages of the [[graphic set]] and [[creature]] pages. Most of those probably need to be added as new pages too. In addition the page [[Back_bear_man]] should be deleted (mistyped b-L-ack bear man). In the future, it would be nice to have a script that simply goes through the creature raws and suggests new pages to be created for missing creature entries. [[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 15:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
***The admins have bots that can create the pages automatically. Part of the hold-up is that the wiki's raws haven't been updated, so new creature pages aren't able to "autofill" with the appropriate details from the raws (and we prefer not to enter all that information manually).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

*[[Masterwork:Drake]] The article is blank. Since these are a domestic animal that players can grab on embark, there should be some information about them for people new to the mod. [[User:Apollo Densin|Apollo Densin]] ([[User talk:Apollo Densin|talk]]) 02:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
** Done.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:50, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

*Version 0.47.1 added [[DF2014:Fort]], [[DF2014:Constructed creatures]], and perhaps [[DF2014:Intelligent undead]]. It also allows to [[DF2014:Mount]] creatures. A lot of other new features deserve their pages. Perhaps we should create a DF2020 version of pages.

== Talk page requests ==

Requesting new talk page for https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Template_talk:DF2014_labors please & thank you [[User:Blitz4|Blitz4]] ([[User talk:Blitz4|talk]]) 02:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I would like a talk page for [[DF2014:Bauxite]] and [[DF2014:Aluminum]]. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] ([[User talk:Magic9mushroom|talk]]) 04:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
:Done. -- [[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Request: Talk page for [[DF2012:Repeater]] [[Special:Contributions/68.6.123.36|68.6.123.36]] 03:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
:Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:44, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Masterwork_Talk:Guildhall [[Special:Contributions/68.46.84.117|68.46.84.117]] 14:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 15:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, would you be able to create a Talk page with the following question for me?:

"Do children born during fortress mode (or worldgen if you can find out) adopt the dieties of their friends/parents, or are they assigned a random diety? Is this with immediate effect from birth?

Thanks.

Josh"

Thank you! :)

Hello, I'd like to open another talk/discussion page for "Size" (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Size) with the following question:

Are there any combat benefits to SMALL dwarves?

On one of the pages for an older version of DF it notes that large creatures like elephants have a hard time landing a hit on small creatures like cavies. Would this alleged bonus to-dodge and/or penalty to-hit modifier translate in any meaningul way for smaller dwarves?
:[[DF2012 talk:Size|Done]]. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 19:05, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to open a talk page for [[DF2012_Talk:Relationships]] with the following note (two paragraphs):

The royalty section is inaccurate. I have a second-generation native-born dwarf in one of my fortresses who has a plentitude of aunts and uncles and listed maternal and paternal grandparents. I'm not sure why having those relationships is only noticed for royalty, but I think it's partially because shorter worlds mean smaller lineages and partially because most forts don't last long enough to see native-born children grow up, get married, and have children of their own. I really don't think there's any reason why extended family would be limited to royalty in any case.

Anyway, I added parents to the Types section, and also grandparents because I hadn't noticed the Royalty section. I'd add Aunts/Uncles but I'm not sure where they fall in on the list, and baby Sarvesh doesn't have any cousins yet.

Thank you! --[[User:Lielac|Lielac]] ([[User talk:Lielac|talk]]) 02:41, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
:Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:37, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I feel that [[DF2012:World_generation]] should cover what goes into history simulation, as it is obviously different to simulation in fortress mode.
However, this is not a matter I am educated on. I would put this request on the page, but I cannot yet create a talk page.
:Done. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 19:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

* https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Template_talk:DF2014_labors
[[User:Blitz4|Blitz4]] ([[User talk:Blitz4|talk]]) 02:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

== User page requests ==

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{{upr|[[User:BillyJack|Sandbox]] ([[User talk:BillyJack|talk]])}}
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:Created. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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== Redirect requests ==

*[[Hot tub]] should redirect to [[Magma Sea]]—not very common slang, but I've heard it consistently. [[Special:Contributions/68.56.148.200|68.56.148.200]] 06:57, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
**Do you have an example? I've never heard this. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
*[[DF2014:Fun]] to [[DF2014:Losing]]
[[dfhack]], [[DFHack]] and [[DF2012:DFHack]] to [[Utility:DFHack]]. --[[User:Lurker|Lurker]] ([[User talk:Lurker|talk]]) 14:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
* Page "Taming" should redirect to "DF2012:Tame" [[User:Latias1290|Latias1290]] ([[User talk:Latias1290|talk]]) 18:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
**[[DF2012:Tame]] is a redirect to [[DF2012:Animal trainer]]. Created [[Taming]] and [[DF2012:Taming]] as redirects. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
* Page "Gcs" should redirect to [[DF2014:Giant_cave_spider]]. [[Special:Contributions/199.60.104.18|199.60.104.18]] 19:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:Done. Just do it yourself next time. Just create the page and add "#REDIRECT" followed by a space and the link to the page.[[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 22:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
::The reason this page exists is because anonymous users can't create pages. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 12:09, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Oh, that makes sense. Should have figured that out on my own.
* [[DF2014:Combat log]] could redirect to [[DF2014:Reports]], I think it's the phrase new players will search for. [[User:Okdewit|Okdewit]] ([[User talk:Okdewit|talk]]) 18:58, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
**Done. [[User:Jwoodward48|Jwoodward48]] ([[User talk:Jwoodward48|talk]]) 00:05, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
* create redirect page "World Activation" and redirect to World_activities [[User:Untrustedlife|Untrustedlife]] ([[User talk:Untrustedlife|talk]]) 00:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
-- Got it done [[User:Untrustedlife|Untrustedlife]] ([[User talk:Untrustedlife|talk]]) 00:16, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
* Page [[DF2014:Guineahen]] and [[DF2014:Keet]] could redirect to [[DF2014:Guineafowl]] the same way [[DF2014:Guineacock]] does currently. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:C50E:D66A:5500:0:0:0:10|2A01:C50E:D66A:5500:0:0:0:10]] 17:43, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
* Create redirect page for "Retire", "Unretiring", and "Retiring" and redirect to "Reclaim Fortress Mode" [[User:Benderdragon|Benderdragon]] ([[User talk:Benderdragon|talk]]) 16:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
** Created [[Retire]]; [[Unretire]] already existed, and I'm hesitant to create redirects for the gerund forms - we don't have guidelines that specifically discourage them, but {{Rule|N}} and {{Rule|E}} are similar, and partial searches for "retir" or "unretir" should bring up the relevant pages in the search box anyway. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
*redirect "ringleader" and potentially several other possible titles for crime bosses to [[DF2014:Boss]][[User:Rugnir|Rugnir]] ([[User talk:Rugnir|talk]]) 21:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

== Other requests ==


* Could there please be a smaller version of the "D for Dwarf" template, maybe one that leaves the text ''joke'' near a sentence, so that we don't have a big-ass banner for little one-off jokes in articles and reserve the "D for Dwarf" template for entire sections or articles? [[Special:Contributions/68.56.148.200|68.56.148.200]] 23:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

* Can someone include a discussion about how dwarfs choose which jobs/tasks to do if they have enabled multiple labors and there are jobs in multiple labors on the DF2012:Labor page? Is it based on which job is created first? Their skills / traits / attributes? Which labor they are highest ranked or their titled profession? This seems to be an issue in the LPs I've been watching early on when there are only the 7 starting dwarves, sometimes extending into the first migration. I know a solution is to deactivate other labors, or use burrows, but I'm still curious how it works. Thank you, [[Special:Contributions/108.243.77.185|108.243.77.185]] 03:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

* Hello. I wanted to know how to make the tiles uniform for the ground. I'm sure to have read somewhere once that it was possible to change the tiles to be all "." (I am currently searching for a Goblin Snatcher for a while now ^^). I searched for "ground" what has yielded me a link to above ground page. There was no link there. Could make one to the relevant article or indicate the settings to do please? [[Special:Contributions/31.164.176.33|31.164.176.33]] 20:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
** Done: [[Ground]]. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

* Hi, im new and just want to start translation of the wiki into german. im really into this game and i guess i still could learn a shitload of new stuff by doing this. AND there would maybe be more players around if and when i/we translate. not every german is fluent in english. -f4nt4sy [[User:F4nt4sy|F4nt4sy]] ([[User talk:F4nt4sy|talk]]) 15:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:See [[DF:Centralized Discussion/Translating the wiki|here]]. It's been suggested before, but it's been hard to set something up on this wiki. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

* I'd like to create a page under the centralized discussion for a proposal of subnamespaces for stuff like creatures, skills, etc. under a specific version. Stuff like DF2014:Rat becoming DF2014:Creatures:Rat. I'm not sure if the software allows this, but I thought I'd say it anyway.