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v0.31 Talk:Reacher

2010-05-14T02:53:32Z

Yeti Yeti:

Upon butchering my fellow Reacher, it yeilded the following:
reacher meat [21],
prepared reacher brain,
prepared reacher lung [2],
prepared reacher heart,
chopped reacher liver,
prepared reacher intestines,
reacher tripe,
reacher sweetbread,
prepared reacher spleen,
prepared reacher kidney [2],
reacher fat [16],
reacher bone [22],
reacher skull,
reacher nervous tissue,
reacher skin

I don't know what to do with that information, since some creatures, especially the larger ones, have a range for many of their yeilds. Just thought I'd leave this here. -[[User:Yeti Yeti|Yeti Yeti]] 02:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Reacher

2010-05-14T02:52:37Z

Yeti Yeti: Created page with 'Upon butchering my fellow Reacher, it yeilded the following: reacher meat [21] prepared reacher brain prepared reacher lung [2] prepared reacher heart chopped reacher liver prepa…'

Upon butchering my fellow Reacher, it yeilded the following:
reacher meat [21]
prepared reacher brain
prepared reacher lung [2]
prepared reacher heart
chopped reacher liver
prepared reacher intestines
reacher tripe
reacher sweetbread
prepared reacher spleen
prepared reacher kidney [2]
reacher fat [16]
reacher bone [22]
reacher skull
reacher nervous tissue
reacher skin

I don't know what to do with that information, since some creatures, especially the larger ones, have a range for many of their yeilds. Just thought I'd leave this here. -[[User:Yeti Yeti|Yeti Yeti]] 02:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Magma-safe

2010-05-06T06:31:45Z

Yeti Yeti:

This article's contents are working under the assumption that the temperature of magma is still 12000 as it was in 40d - given that the [[magma man]]'s FIXED_TEMP is still 12000, this should be a reasonable assumption for now. Once Dtil is updated (or a similar utility is made available), this should be reasonably simple to verify. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 14:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I calculated Celsius temperatures from Urist based on two of the known points, and floored the result. (Rounding to the nearest might be more accurate, but it should be close enough for all practical purposes, and this required less examining of the decimals). Note that the Magnetite melting temperature is approximately the real magnetite melting temperature - so i imagine most of these are based on real melting temperatures, although i also checked some others (eg, Hematite) whose actual melt temperature is a range (which was consistent, but not useful for real independent verification).

Question: Why does the layout give preference to Farenheit anyway? If anything, Celsius should be preferred. (Actually, Kelvin should be preferred since its the metric unit).

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 15:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:Fahrenheit is the main unit because in-game temperatures (degrees Urist) are equal to degrees Fahrenheit + 9968. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 15:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:: I'm assuming these numbers were pulled out of the raws somewhere? You need to verify your assumption about the actual temperature of magma. Someone is apparently reading this page and having problems. The highlights are that he's melting bauxite, obsidian, mica, and nickel doors and screaming at the bugtracker in anger. [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1579#bugnotes] Check the link for more details. --[[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 17:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that things made of the same material sometimes melted and sometimes didn't (after being submerged for a season), it seems like something even stranger is going on. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 17:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Yea, well hard to say right now, his report is rather angry and ranty. I just figured I'd bring it to your attention and we'll figure out what's actually going on here. --[[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 17:59, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: I've just managed to hack dtil's memory.ini sufficiently to connect it to 0.31.03 and activate the Tile Viewer. Some things are a bit off (e.g. the cursor position is wrong), but it's reporting underground temperatures (open space or solid rock) as 10015, warm stone as 10100, and magma as 12000, ''all'' of which are 100% consistent with 0.28.181.40d. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::: Just had a thought - while magma is most definitely temperature 12000, fire snakes look to have a FIXED_TEMP of 14000, which is hot enough to melt just about anything (namely, everything but periclase, dolomite, raw adamantine, and fire imp/dragon materials). Perhaps fire snakes just became a whole lot more dangerous? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 19:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I just want to point out that if the fire snakes are the cause of this, then that is really awesome. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::The original reporter just pointed out that the raws for OBSIDIAN contain '''two melting points''' - the first one is 13600, which is magma-safe, and the second one is 11818, which is '''not magma-safe''', and that removing the second one causes his obsidian mechanisms to stop melting. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Errors / Unknowns==
Celsius and Fahrenheit are reversed in the table header, and I don't see how to change that. --[[User:The Architect|The Architect]] 04:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
* Fixed it by editting the template, hopefully its only used in this article (I assume it is as its called MS template) --[[User:AKAfreaky|AKAfreaky]] 12:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Does the table reflect a research into all stone RAWs, verifying that these are the only magma-safe ones?

==Glass==
I've had magma pumps (stacked) with glass components break down every time. Seems to take slightly longer than wood but still rather fast.

==Emphasis==
I'd like to make a suggestion to have the part with "wooden components will give you hell" in the pump section emphasized. I missed the fine print (to my own error, I'm not telling you this is your fault) and built a wooden pump stack of 120 pumps to bring magma from the sea to my z-6 work area. To my dismay, 18 months of carpentry, architecture and masonry blew a fuse in under 10 seconds. Fortunately I saved beforehand and forcequit afterwards, but perhaps a little more emphasis to that part of the page would be in order to prevent any other idiots from trying the same thing -[[User:Yeti Yeti|Yeti Yeti]] 06:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Age

2010-05-01T08:35:03Z

Yeti Yeti: Created page with 'Is it worth it to mention the trivia that if you seek the age of a baby born on that day, it says "S/He was born today, which makes him/her very young indeed."? -~~~~'

Is it worth it to mention the trivia that if you seek the age of a baby born on that day, it says "S/He was born today, which makes him/her very young indeed."? -[[User:Yeti Yeti|Yeti Yeti]] 08:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

40d Talk:Strand extractor

2010-04-29T07:16:17Z

Yeti Yeti:

Does improving the strand extracting skill simply make it faster? Or is there a possibility of quality or quantity improvements? --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 05:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
* Speed, nothing more. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 05:09, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I found it worth my time to have several craftdwarf shops designated to this skill. In my case I had 6 craft shops for every smelter, and 6 peasants could keep up with some of my best furnace operators that way. The difference was made up between my legendary furnace operator and my great furnace operator. Something to consider, since this way you get more adamantine at the expense of, what, 5 units of stone? Keep in mind I had a tube reaching up to z-23, so it was worth it for me to hurry the process along and my fort became adamantite dominated, with everybody 'cept upkeep (carpenter, mason, mechanic, a few farmers) and military working towards the cause. --[[User:Yeti Yeti|Yeti Yeti]] 07:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

v0.31:Trading

2010-04-23T07:22:34Z

Yeti Yeti: /* Caravans */

{{av}}
{{elven}}
{{Building|name=Trade depot|key=D
|job=
* {{L|Broker}} noble (optional)
|construction=
3 of
* {{L|Block}}
* {{L|Metal bar}}
* {{L|Stone}}
* {{L|Wood}}
|construction_job=
* {{L|Architecture}}
* and 1 of:
** {{L|Metalsmithing}}
** {{L|Masonry}}
** {{L|Carpentry}}
|purpose=
Trade goods with merchants.
}}

:''(:'''''Note:''' Wagons appear to be absent in DF 31.03. Toady has not yet signaled if this is a bug or not, but they are in the RAW files.)''{{verify}}

'''Trading''' in Dwarf Fortress first occurs in the first {{L|Calendar|autumn}} after establishing your fortress, with the arrival of the {{L|dwarf|Dwarven}} {{L|Trading#Caravans|caravan}}. Trading is a good way to acquire resources that are not available or are rare in the local area. It also allows for more freedom in selecting starting gear or purchase of additional skills for the expedition party, because items can always be obtained through trade later.

'''Trader''' is the term used at your Trade Depot to refer to your fortress {{l|Broker}} when dealing with merchants in a visiting caravan ({{key|r}} - "''Trader requested at Depot"''). As a {{L|profession}}, the term usually only applies to those merchants, and to a dwarf whose highest {{L|skill}} is {{L|Appraiser}}.

== Trade Depot ==
Building a '''Trade Depot''' ({{K|b}} - {{K|D}}) is a requisite for trade with caravans that arrive at your fortress. Trade depots can be created from almost any material, and construction requires the {{L|Architecture}} skill along with the appropriate craft labor ({{L|Carpentry}}, {{L|Masonry}}, or {{L|Metalsmithing}}). There must be at least 10 spaces between the Depot and the edge of the map.{{version|0.31.01}}

While it may be convenient to build a Trade Depot outside at first, it is usually a really good idea to move it inside or build walls, bridges and other fortifications around it to protect caravans and your goods from animals (guzzlers), {{L|thief|thieves}} and {{L|goblin}}s.

Once built, hit {{K|q}} to bring up the building interaction mode, and then move your cursor over the Trade Depot to gain access to the following options:

=== Move Goods to/from Depot ===
{{K|g}}: This command becomes active when a caravan arrives on your map. This screen menu is similar to the {{L|stock}}s menu ({{K|z}} - Stocks). This is where you select what items you want to trade with the caravan. If you have particular items you want to sell to the caravan, you can {{K|s}}earch for it. This is convenient if you want to export all your prepared meals or finished goods. Also shown is the culling on {{K|m}}andate option. The move to depot screen will not show things that violate an export {{L|mandate}}. By pressing {{K|m}}, it will change to Ignoring {{K|m}}andates, and you can select banned items for export. For example, if your {{L|mayor}} has a mandate banning the export of iron, this screen will hide bins that contain iron items. By changing this option, all iron items will be shown.{{Verify}}<br\> <br\>After selecting items and exiting the screen, {{L|job}}s will be queued to move the items to the depot. All dwarves, regardless of {{L|labor}} settings, can move goods to the depot. Items that have not been moved will show [PENDING], while those that have been brought to the depot and are ready for trade and will be marked as [TRADING]. <br\><br\>Items selected for trading will remain at the depot until the caravan leaves. Alternatively you can select the item again. Once no longer required at the depot, items will be available for use or hauling to stockpiles as normal. If you don't want all the items to be returned to their stockpiles, you can optionally {{K|f}}orbid them by looking at the {{L|Controls_guide#View_items_in_buildings.2C_t|i{{K|t}}ems}} in the depot.

=== No trader needed at depot or Trader requested at depot ===
{{K|r}}: This requests a dwarf to come to the depot. To conduct trades with caravans, a trader must be present at the Trade Depot. Once requested, a dwarf will make their way to the depot, and remain there until released with this setting, or the dwarf decides to drink, sleep, or eat.

=== Only broker may trade or Anyone may trade ===
{{K|b}}: This setting determines who will perform the trade. If '''Only broker may trade''' is active, then only the {{L|Broker}} {{L|noble}} will respond to the trader request. This can become a problem when the broker is sleeping or otherwise occupied, but dwarves with low {{L|Broker skills}} will receive poorer deals when trading. If anyone may trade is selected, and someone other than the broker becomes a better {{L|appraiser}} than the broker, the broker's appraisal skill is still used.

=== Trade ===
{{K|t}}: This option becomes available once the caravan and your trader are both at the depot. It begins trading.

<s>
Do not build two or more Trade Depots, as then neither will work properly.</s>{{Verify}}<sup>Assuming false. Depot accessibility screen now features information about multiple depots (all depots accessible vs depot accessible)</sup>

Everything that is on your map belongs to you, except:

* the items of non-fortress members (only if they are alive, when they are dead they belong to you if you claim the items),{{Verify}}
* the items that are in trade wagons or on merchant animals{{Verify}}
* the items that are on the trade depot (they belong to nobody until they are moved out of it)

So, merchant goods that ''were'' on the trade depot belong to you if they are not on trade wagons/merchant animals. So a {{L|Cheating|little hint}}: when the merchants have finished unloading, remove the depot!

==Trading Flowchart ==
{{:Trading/Flowchart}}
After entering the trade menu, select the items to offer from the right, and the desired items from the left. All caravans have a weight limit which cannot be exceeded, and the allowed additional weight is displayed in the lower right corner. If the acting broker has at least Novice or better {{L|Appraisal}} skill, the value of all items will be displayed. Once the proposal is ready, press {{K|t}} to make an offer, but merchants will not agree unless they make adequate profit. Be sure to use '''trade''', not '''offer''' {{K|o}}, as this will make a gift of the selected items. The amount of acceptable profit is determined by the broker's {{L|Broker skills|skills}} and the merchant's mood, described below. Merchants may attempt to propose counteroffers if they do not accept the proposal, which can then be accepted, rejected, or further amended by the broker.

<s>A good rule of thumb for inexperienced brokers is to give merchants a 50% or better profit. For example, if the desired goods are worth 500☼, make sure their profit is at least 250☼ (which would make the total worth of goods marked on your side 750☼). This should ensure that the merchants are happy with the trading and that they accept the trade immediately without making ridiculous counteroffers.</s> With more experienced brokers or pleased merchants, even marginally profitable trades can be successful, and counteroffers can be rejected safely, offering the same trade again. Note however that a low profit margin for the traders may not be desirable - it has been suggested that both export and profit numbers influence the size of next years caravan and, in the case of the dwarven caravan, immigration numbers.{{Verify}}

Goods brought from caravans do not have base quality higher than superior, but decorations on a good may be of any quality.{{Verify}}

== Trading cue colors ==

* Items in brown have been created (or modified) by your fortress. They can be traded away or offered as a gift.
* Items in white were created by another source. They can be traded, but if one of these items has been selected, the entire selection cannot be offered as a gift.
* Items in purple are under a no-export mandate and should not be traded away unless exceptional circumstances (or masochism) push you to do this.{{Verify}}
* Items in green have just been gifted to the caravan and they will not trade it back.
* Items in red have been seized from another caravan and cannot be traded as is; you will need to decorate them or turn them into other items for them to become "valid" trading items. However, usually a caravan from a different civilization will accept stolen goods without changing them first.{{Verify}}

== Merchant mood ==
If your broker has Novice or better {{L|Judge of Intent}} skill, there will be a line added below the merchant's dialogue describing the caravan's attitude. Their attitude rises with successful trades (especially if they get lots of profit) and falls when you propose deals they don't like.

* (trader) seems ecstatic with the trading
* (trader) seems very happy about the trading
* (trader) seems pleased with the trading
* (trader) seems willing to trade (Default, at least for humans)
* (trader) seems to be rapidly losing patience
* (trader) is not going to take much more of this
* (trader) is unwilling to trade

The happier you make a merchant, the less profit margin he will demand in a trade. If merchants reach the lowest level, no further trade will be possible, and they will immediately pack up and leave your depot. Since annoyed traders are more likely to reject deals, you should be generous in initial negotiations. Skilled negotiators seem less likely to offend traders with unsuccessful deals.

An easy way to capitalize on this mood system is to perform several partial trades. First trade for a few items, offering goods twice the value of the items you ask for (eg, offer 2000☼ for 1000☼ of his stuff). This will likely make the merchant ecstatic about trading with you. Exit the trade screen, unpause briefly, and then return to trading with a vengeance. With the merchant in such a good mood, he is more likely to counteroffer than reject a trade outright.

== Seizing items ==

Pressing {{K|s}} from the trade menu will seize the selected items of the merchant's. If you seize goods from a caravan, the merchant will respond "Take what you want. I can't stop you." and then leave immediately without the seized goods. Items cannot be seized from the dwarven caravan, and other races will not buy goods stolen from one of their caravans (then marked in red) unless they are tricked into asking for them via counteroffer, or the items are "laundered" by decoration or used to create other goods. Seizing goods will hurt diplomatic relations, but is not grounds for an automatic {{L|siege}}.{{Verify}}

Pressing the seize button while no goods are selected will result in the merchant interpreting your seizure as a joke. This apparently does nothing to benefit or hinder your trading.{{Verify}}

As a side note, if you deconstruct your trade depot with a caravan in it, the wagons will be killed and all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your Dwarves. This does not mark the items as stolen, and the caravan will leave. However, ''next'' year's caravan is partly based on the profits from the previous year - so if you are relying on that race's caravans for needed items, you're hurting yourself in the long run.{{Verify}}

Another way to steal without marking as stolen is to forbid the trade depot just before they leave, causing them to leave their goods at the depot.{{Verify}}

Note that the civilization attached to a particular caravan will keep track of the value of items the caravan was carrying when they set out to trade, and they will compare this value with the value of items they return home with. Regardless of what method you use to confiscate items from a caravan, even if you came to possess the goods through no fault of your own (an {{L|ambush}} killed the caravaners, for example) the parent civilization may decide that you stole from them and send a {{L|siege}} instead of a caravan the following year. It is prudent to take measures to protect caravans visiting your lands!{{Verify}}

==Offering items==

{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the {{L|civilization}} you are trading with. This presumably helps relations between yourself and the other faction. The exact effects are unknown but it is believed that offering goods increases the quantity and variety of trade goods brought by next year's caravan. Also the {{L|King}} usually requires offerings to be made before his arrival.{{Verify}}

'''''Note:''' There are currently no benefits to offering goods to your king; the game developers have stated that this is to be changed in future versions.'' ("''Req174, REASON FOR OFFERING, (Future): There's no point of offering goods to your own king right now.)"''

== Miscellaneous Trading Advice ==

* Several small trades, exiting the trade window each time, will increase the Broker's relevant skills during the early game.
* Food inside the Trade Depot can go bad. Have a food stockpile nearby so you can quickly haul goods inside.
* Thieves and thieving critters tend to follow caravans. Expect assaults and intruders.
* Be careful about asking traders to bring lots of individual lightweight items (such as meat and fish) as it can result in traders taking a very long time to unload their goods. Unless the path to your depot is extremely long, though, this is unlikely to cause significant problems.{{Verify}}

== Caravans ==
Each friendly race will send a caravan per year, linked to one season, which is autumn for dwarves, summer for humans, spring for elves. In rare cases, goblins will show up in winter.{{verify}} However, in the first year only a dwarven caravan will arrive, although it will tend to arrive later than mid-august, unlike previous versions {{verify}}. Caravans will only show up if that race considers the fortress site accessible (as denoted on the embark screen), with the exception of dwarves, who always arrive unless they are extinct.{{verify}} Caravans appear to enter the map from a random direction which does not coincide with the relative direction of the originating {{L|civilization}}, and they may appear from different directions or z-levels each year. Caravans may leave without trading if it takes too long to reach the trade depot. Caravans with wagons cannot use stairs. Caravans will embark on their journey back exactly one month after their arrival, whether they have succeeded in reaching the depot or not.{{Verify}}

Note that if traders or their animals are prevented from leaving, they will eventually go {{L|insane}}. {{Verify}}

Also worth mention is the pathing behavior of the entire caravan. If one member of the caravan reaches a block in their chosen path (ie. a raised drawbridge that was lowered when they entered the map) the entire caravan will re-path, instead of encountering the obstacle one by one.

== Liaisons ==
{{L|Liaison}}s may be sent with caravans to speak to important dwarves. They will allow you to choose the type of items that your fortress is interested in, and will focus on bringing more of that kind of item on the next caravan (however those items will also be more expensive). They will also present you with a list of the items they're willing to pay more for, which will be effective upon their next arrival.

Trade agreements can be viewed at a later time through the Civilization menu ({{k|c}}). These trade agreements are cleared when a liason of the corresponding civilization enters the screen, so they are generally not accessible after the caravan has arrived.

Note that if a liaison is prevented from leaving, they will eventually go {{L|insane}}. {{Verify}}

== Races ==
The following races send caravans.

==== {{L|Dwarves}} ====
The dwarven caravan:
* arrives in {{L|Calendar|autumn}}.
* carries metal bars, {{L|leather}}, weapons and armor, food and booze, and more. Dwarves alone may carry {{L|steel}} and steel goods.
* well guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the {{L|Expedition leader}} (or {{L|Mayor}}) to negotiate prices.
* influences the number of immigrants received (if the caravan leaves intact).{{verify}}
* will not cause sieges when repeatedly destroyed or lost.
* is the only caravan to arrive during a fortress' first year.
* always arrives regardless of embark location.{{verify}}
* cannot have its goods seized from the trade menu.
* may not arrive if your civilization lacks any notable figures.

==== {{L|elf|Elves}} ====
[[Image:Evil_elves.png|thumb|400px|A typical elven caravan.]]

The elven caravan:
* arrives in {{L|Calendar|spring}}.
* carries {{L|cloth}}, {{L|Restraint|rope}}s, various above ground seeds, {{L|plant}}s and their byproducts, {{L|log}}s, {{L|wood}}en goods & {{L|weapon}}s, clothing and {{L|armor}}, and may carry tame {{L|creature}}s.
* unguarded.
* does not accept some items in trade:

Elven traders do not like to be offered any tree byproducts. Forbidden items include:

* {{L|Wood}}en items, and items derived from wood (including {{L|tower-cap}} logs), such as {{L|charcoal}} and {{L|pearlash}}
* Items made from clear and crystal {{L|glass}} (because {{L|pearlash}} is used in their creation) - green glass appears to be perfectly acceptable
* Items {{L|decoration|decorated}} with any of the above materials
* {{L|Obsidian}} shortswords (since they have wooden handles)
* {{L|Soap}} (made with {{L|ash}})

Offering or trading forbidden items will cause the mood of the trader to drop rapidly, usually causing him after the first offer to refuse to trade any more that season and leave immediately. Additionally you will be called uncouth, crude, and barbaric.

However, {{L|stone}} and {{L|metal}} items, even when {{L|charcoal}} is used in production, are acceptable. Items made from {{L|silk}} are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as {{L|cloth}} and {{L|thread}}. Items made of bone (totems too), horn, shell or leather are acceptable, so are meat and fish. You can also transport your goods to the {{L|trade depot}} in a wooden {{L|bin}}, as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the {{L|cage}} or {{L|trap}} is not made of {{L|wood}}.

Be especially careful with reselling decorated items from other caravans, as non-wood/glass items may have decorations of wood or clear/crystal glass. All items that elven caravans sell are also unacceptable to sell back to elves, as the dwarves have no means of proving that they were made in an "elf kosher" way — and all dwarves know that elves have terrible memory.

==== {{L|Human}}s ====
The human caravan:
* arrives in {{L|Calendar|summer}}.
* carries metal bars, sand, {{L|leather}}, cloth, food and booze, ropes, waterskins, quivers, backpacks, bronze weapons and (wrongsized) clothing and armor, cages and a few domestic animals.
* moderately guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the broker to negotiate prices if the fortress is big enough.

==== {{L|Goblin}}s{{Verify}} ====
A goblin caravan ''may'' arrive if your civilization is at peace with the goblins.

The goblin caravan:
*will arrive every season, four times per year{{verify}}
*unguarded
*brings mostly food and cloth
*does not send a liaison or a guild representative
*does not make import/export agreements

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* All caravans <small>(goblins too?{{verify}})</small> carry the more wood logs the smaller a fort's wood stockpile, independent of whether you requested them. This does not apply when the weight limit is exceded by (other) items you requested.

== Destruction ==
If caravans are destroyed (intentionally or unintentionally), the items may remain for use. Traders caught in a {{L|cave-in}} will flee as if they were attacked but will leave all the items dropped by the caravan behind. Pack animals carrying items are affected just like a normal tamed {{L|mule}} and must be killed in the cave-in for them to drop items on the ground. It is however much more likely that the pack animal(s) will only be stunned or rendered unconscious and flee shortly after recovering from the hit. Wagons will collapse if caught in a cave-in, leaving all that it was carrying on the ground as a result. Wagons can also be destroyed by {{L|ocean}} waves coming up onto the shore if you have settled in the appropriate area. The only difference between collapsing under waves or a cave-in is a higher probably of recovering items if the wagon is destroyed by a wave.{{Verify}}

While caravans can defend themselves, they don't like being ambushed. An encounter with unfriendly creatures may cause them to retreat and forget about trading with you for the season.{{verify}} Repeated caravan destruction (intentional or unintentional) will strain diplomatic relations and may result in a {{L|siege}}.{{Verify}}

== Caravan Delay ==
If a caravan has arrived at your trade depot and is unable to leave for about six months after they arrived, the merchants and animals will go insane. This can result in a bunch of merchants attacking your dwarves, or just standing around moping until they starve to death. It is not known for certain if this hurts diplomatic relations, but most likely it's the same as any case where the entire caravan fails to return home.{{Verify}}

If you have locked the caravan into your fortress to hold out against a siege, it's a good idea to station a squad of soldiers near the trade depot in case the merchants {{L|Insanity#Types|go berserk}}. You may also want to make the depot a restricted area to encourage civilians to go around it. Alternatively, you can design the trade depot using drawbridges so that it can be sealed off from the rest of the fortress during a siege.

If you want the merchants to leave safely, you can build four or more tunnels to each corner of the map, connected to your fortress only by drawbridges. As long as there is no other way to enter and exit your fortress, invaders and merchants will both go towards any tunnel that you activate. You can lock the merchants into the trade depot, and then open a tunnel entrance on one side of the map to make the invaders head towards that tunnel. When they get close to it, you can close it, and then open the entrance on the other side of the map, and let the traders out of the depot. If your fortress and depot are in the middle of the map, this will give the traders quite a head-start to get away.{{Verify}}