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v0.31 Talk:Sparring

2010-06-14T01:26:33Z

Aegeus:

==This isn't funny, guys==
But it is [[Fun]]. How do I get them to use wooden training sword for training and metal swords for everything else? I spent months watching my swordsdwarves beating an ettin with what are essentially sticks, and when I finally get them using metal swords, one trainee sticks one in his sparring partner's stomach and twists it around! I thought they were supposed to be smart enough to switch on their own; I'm feeling pretty dumb that I can't even get them to switch on command. Help? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 01:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:Pffft, ''you'' feel dumb, I can't even ''get them to spar'' in the current setup :/ Stupid drills and lessons [[User:Greep|Greep]] 01:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

:Don't feel dumb, the military is horrendously bugged right now and some people are even having a hard time getting them to pick up something. [[Special:Contributions/24.255.86.193|24.255.86.193]]

::I'm having the problem right now. They picked stuff up fine (more or less), but this current fort, I can't even get hunters to pick up their stuff. --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 17:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

:Just to annoy you a little bit, my dwarves train fine, level up quite fast, train with steel and bronze weapons and i have yet to see any injury :P I will admit though that the military screen gave me quite a bit of headache at first. --[[Special:Contributions/92.202.9.88|92.202.9.88]] 14:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

::For my edification, are they sparring with these metal weapons, or doing individual training? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 22:56, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

::I'm with Greep; my dwarves don't spar whatsoever. I have the military screen largely figured out, I have my barracks designated for training, another for sleeping, etc. but I only see them standing around in a large group "Waiting for Combat Training" and whatnot. I never see my recruits pushing eachother around with the occasional smear of blood across the wall, like they use to (sparring, basically). Are they supposed to just stand around now and passively gain military skill, or do they move around? If so, '''HOW DO I GET THEM TO SPAR'''?! Much thanks. --[[User:Bronzebeard|Bronzebeard]] 02:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

:::To get them to spar, assign the squad a barracks, make an alert for that squad with a schedule that calls for training, and give that squad that alert. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 19:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I've done all that. I don't see any sparring, though, unless it's been entirely taken out of the game and replaced with "individual combat drills" and demonstrations. The latter never seem to work because, for whatever reason, the dwarves can't all be there at the same time (unless they do work without the entire squad) BUT I have noticed that one way or another, my dwarves are improving their combat skills by just standing around doing drills and demonstrations. I have to assume that sparring -- dwarves knocking each other around -- has been eliminated from the game. --[[User:Bronzebeard|Bronzebeard]] 19:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: My dwarves spar sometimes. Like most of the military jobs in 0.31.03 it seems to be somewhat buggy. All I did to get them to spar originally was to assign them a firing range, a barracks (both designated as training) and set their schedule to 'Train'. Getting them to not put each other in hospital on the other hand... [[User:Bpuk|Bpuk]] 22:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've just figured out that along with the 'C' and 'H' at the upper left corner of the screen, there is also an 'S' that pertains to sparring announcements (an 'S' I've never seen, mind you), so traditional sparring must, clearly, still be around -- I apologize. However I've, again, yet to see it. --[[Special:Contributions/76.110.216.178|76.110.216.178]] 03:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Don't worry if your dwarves are just standing around attending "Demonstrations" or "Individual Combat Drills". They still gain military skill. In my current fortress, I put a few of my useless dwarves into the military, including one who already had good fighting skills, before I had forged any weapons. By the time I supplied them with battleaxes, the one had taught the others to become competent dodgers. Once I gave them all weapons, they just stood around doing individual drills, but they still gained skill (only novice so far).--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 01:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:On break

2010-06-13T23:08:34Z

Aegeus: Created page with 'Canceling a break by drafting the dwarf and releasing them doesn't seem to work anymore. I drafted my Mason and made sure that he was scheduled for training, and he went to pick…'

Canceling a break by drafting the dwarf and releasing them doesn't seem to work anymore. I drafted my Mason and made sure that he was scheduled for training, and he went to pick up his equipment. I released him on the way to the stockpile, and as soon as he finished equipping himself he went back on break.
--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 23:08, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

40d Talk:Workshop

2009-04-10T22:00:15Z

Aegeus: /* Gathering Materials */

==proposed content==
Maybe something about what the workshops actually do? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 13:39, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
==move [[Workshops]] to [[Workshop]]==
Should this page's title be singluar, in keeping with the rules on the community portal?--[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:31, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:Probably, if we choose to keep it. However, I'm thinking that this page should really just be a redirect to [[:Category:Workshops]]. But not until we make sure that all the content here is also in the individual workshop pages. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:35, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::Too bad we can't get the hotkeys in the Category--[[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 15:57, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::Do we need them? There's a perfectly good list of workshops with their hotkeys in the game itself. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::We could add the shortcut key to that little template thingy on the right. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 21:25, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Either A: We will put many of the workshop descriptions on this page and have those workshop names redirect here, or B: We will delete this page and have any info on this page on the workshop pages.<br>
The old wiki had two sections as an introduction to workshops for newbies, a very brief list of the workshops and what they did, and a list of the workshop walls created by each workshop. Since the two sections would belong in a newbie tutorial page, and the descriptions of the workshops would belong in the workshop pages, [[workshop]] needs a <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:47, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:We should make one page for each workshop, add them to [[:category:workshops]] and <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki> this page. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 08:12, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Ive made [[siege workshop]] and marked that section of the article with <s>strikout</s>. When all sections are marked like this, the page is ready to be made into a redirect to [[:category:workshops]]. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 05:27, 7 November 2007 (EST)

==Material/objects for building workshops==
Should it really be labelled "Materials needed to build" - in all cases except the fishery there they are actually objects. Perhaps a 'can be built out of' and 'objects required to build'? --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 05:41, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Someone has detailed that 'still' is short for 'distillery'. This is partially incorrect as a still is actually a completely different word and has a different meaning. A distillery is a an entire establishment (industrial plant and works for example) for distilling things (particularly alcohol) - whereas a still is an apparatus (usually heating/vapour cooling) which would be used inside a distillery to produce alcohol. --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 06:50, 6 November 2007 (EST)

== Production Image ==

Cheese is missing, as is anything to do with pre-thread silk.
Additionally, the chain after thread is inconsistent with the rest of the diagram. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:22, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

I updated the image to include silk, cheese is already included in food, although it's not quite clear. I am just afraid that naming individual food items is going to create a huge mess. Not sure what you mean that the chain after thread is inconsistent [[User:Aeolist|Aeolist]] 05:47, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

== Workshop Design ==

Does it strike anyone else as odd that we have a Bedroom Design page that's a few thousand words and 18 images strong, but not so much as a sentence on workshop design? We should add an extra section to this page discussing that. If it gets too large, it can be moved to its own page, but for the moment keeping things consolidated is probably best.

The rest of this post will be a first draft for the section. Please keep comments and discussion in indented (use : at the beginning of your post) lines just below this comment, and out of the drafted article. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 10:28, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
:In regards to kitchens/butcher shops, whenever possible, I use the "miasma won't go through diagonals" trick instead of doors. Otherwise, you wind up with doors that get stuck open due to pets, items, etc. It gets even worse if your item hauling falls behind and you have to deconstruct a workshop to get its contents to be stockpiled (important if you have spoilable items) and hauled off (Dump and/or funneling stockpiles), resulting in the 4x4 explosion of stacked items. Depending on your point of view, exploting the diagonals may constitute a cheat and it does create a (fairly minimal) space impact adding that off-true wall. Nevertheless, I'm glad to see this article. Getting my workshops running efficiently is one of my biggest bugaboos so far. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:08, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
::For miasma in butcher's shops, I usually use a vent and place the butcher's shop in the vent area. Each butchering operation leaves behind a bunch of chunks that stunk up my shops far too frequently. With kitchens, miasma is only an occasional problem, so I would go for the doors as well, if the kitchen is emitting miasma its probably too late to salvage the contents. -[[User:CptFastbreak|CptFastbreak]] 20:20, 10 October 2008 (CET)
::Truthfully, the way I usually deal with that stuff is to make sure the kitchens and butcheries are on the top floor, then channel a smokestack up to the surface to make the center hex of the workshop "outside", so I never thought of it too closely. Throw a quick wall around it to keep enemies out and you'll never even produce miasma. Anyway, I've yet to see a hauling breakdown with the decentralized idea I've been using for the last 6 fortresses, so I have trouble commenting on that. If you can, perhaps you might consider adding a note on their causes and effects in the key considerations? --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 14:25, 10 October 2008 (EDT)<br>
This has fallen off the recent 50 and is therefore extremely unlikely to get any more comments. Thus, I'm going to add it to the article. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 16:41, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

== Redo the production chain image? ==

I think it could do with cleanup and color. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 21:12, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

== Re: Workshop Design: Gairabad's shameless self-promotion ==

I added a bunch of stuff to my [[User:Gairabad|user page]] on workshop layout design. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 21:17, 28 November 2008 (EST)

== Can workshop dwarves haul multiple items at once? ==

If a dwarf in a workshop is doing a job requiring multiple materials, will he take one trip to pick up all the materials or multiple trips? Does the weight of the materials factor in at all? I'm pretty sure I've seen smelting dwarves take multiple trips. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 00:47, 16 December 2008 (EST)

They will always take multiple trips. Weight may only effect how fast those trips are. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 04:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)

== Gathering Materials ==

How does a dwarf decide where he gets materials, if they aren't stockpiled? I have a mason who, when ordered to make anything out of rock, will delve deep into my strip-mining operations, down several Z-levels and quite a lot of walking, to get limestone when said limestone is scattered all over my fortress and is all over the workshop area! He has to ''walk over'' limestone rocks to get his materials, but for some reason he only wants one specific stone. Is this a bug? An artifact of pathfinding algorithms?--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 22:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Workshop

2009-04-10T21:59:53Z

Aegeus: /* Gathering Materials */ new section

40d Talk:Restraint

2009-03-27T01:14:50Z

Aegeus: /* Removing restraints */

How do you make ropes in the latest version?

You make ropes from Cloth(or silk) at a Clothier's Workshop. Once you've made a Rope, you build it as a Restraint from the building menu (b)->(v) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 12:30, 19 November 2007 (EST)

== Are Restraints Destructable? ==

It appears that ropes can be broken by prisoners. I think I've seen this 2-3 times, but I'd like someone else to verify -- [[User:SammyJ|SammyJ]]

:My prisoners usually destroy nearby ropes when they tantrum and there were a few occasions when they became free without damaging any ropes. Not sure if they are able to destroy their rope.--[[User:Another|Another]] 17:35, 20 November 2007 (EST)
::Did you try with something metallic, like chains? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 17:58, 20 November 2007 (EST)
:I've had a war dog escape a rope. The rope wasn't damaged, and I just tied him back on.

== Breeding + Restraints ==

Do animals assigned to retraints breed normally? I know they don't breed while in cages. This info should be added here. --[[User:Felix the Cat|Felix the Cat]] 17:51, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
:They indeed do, I one of my roped war dogs sentries has a cloud of puppies around her. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 15:13, 2 October 2008 (EDT)

Not quite sure what you guys are talking about, since in 40d(5) my dogs are breeding just fine in cages. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 13:26, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Restraints + Adoption ==

Note that I have three stray kittens which have been chained as sentry cats for over two years now, and they haven't adopted anyone. If it's true that chained animals won't attack, and chained cats won't adopt, then cats are a much wiser sentry resource. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 22:52, 7 November 2008 (EST)

:I've had a chained cat be adopted, although it took awhile. It would appear that (1) Not all dwarves will be adopted by cats (In a fortress with exactly 2 dwarves and one cat the cat went 3 years and never adopted an owner, despite being unchained) and (2) Dwarves need to actually encounter the cat for the cat to have a chance to adopt the dwarf (my chained cat took over a year to adopt). So chaining a cat can conceivably make it take much longer since candidate dwarves will encounter them less frequently since the cat won't hang around the food supply or common areas. And, of course, if you chain them places where your dwarves won't travel... It should be noted that chained cats will also not hunt vermin, even if said vermin is stupid enough to enter its square. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 23:28, 1 January 2009 (EST)

== Removing restraints ==

I had a war dog on a chain at the front door, and then decided I wanted it somewhere else, so I ordered the chain removed. Then I tried to build another restraint in the new place and it said I didn't have any chains. I eventually discovered that the chain was in my war dog's inventory. I ordered it to be dumped so I could take the chain off of it, but no one came to do it. Same result for ordering it to be melted. I checked, and the furnace operator had nothing to do. Can I get my chain back, or will my dog keep collecting these chains as I move it place to place?--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 01:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Restraint

2009-03-27T01:14:35Z

Aegeus: /* Removing restraints */ new section

40d Talk:Dragon

2008-09-21T00:17:46Z

Aegeus:

== Tameable? ==

Are Dragons tameable in this version? Supposedly they were in the previous version, but I am not sure. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

If you see a Hyrda in a fortress, will a Dragon ever appear, or will you forever see Hyrdas going forward? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, they can be tamed once you get the [[dungeon master]], just like before. --[[User:JT|JT]] 18:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:: What about multiple types of megabeasts showing up? Or is it "once a hyrda, always a hydra?"
::: I had both a hydra and bronze colossus show up in the same fort [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]]
::: I had a Dragon, and then 3 months later a hydra show up as well. PS: I edited your comment. --[[User:Gotthard|Gotthard]] 11:08, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::::So far I'm 15 years into my fortress and I've had 3 Bronze Collusi, 2 Hydras, 1 Titan and 1 Dragon. I've tossed them all into a pit which I drop sieging armies into for my amusment... [[User:XRsyst|XRsyst]] 22:55, May 15 2008 (PDT)

== Disappointment ==

I was pretty disappointed with my first Dragon. It came during a goblin siege, and proceeded to make a bee line for them. The first goblin bolt grounded it as unconscious, and the second killed it. Highly anticlimactic, it didn't even singe anything. Would be nice if they were somewhat threatening. --Gotthard 13:50, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:This is not a problem with dragons, it's a recuring problem from ranged weapons. Did you ever try to send champions against a horde of bowmen? They'd die just as easily as recruits... --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 14:30, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::I would say it is somewhat a problem with megabeasts in general, though. Someone actually mentioned this to me in another context the other day, but megabeasts really need to have some special mechanics for them if they're going to be very mega.--[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 15:01, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::If I read the raws correctly, it just looks like his only attack is a bite (with a good damage of 1-6). Shouldn't he have a tail swipe, or a wing buffet to complement his fire breathing ability? Perhaps an increased resistance to ranged attacks, although armor doesn't seem to do much to piercing damage. Very irritating. --Gotthard 17:21, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:I just saw something similar -- my hunter was out hunting, and came upon a dragon that had just invaded. He seems to have dodged the fire the dragon breathed at him, then knocked it unconscious with a bolt to the heart. The hunter must have agreed that this was anticlimactic, as he then shrugged and went to kill a mountain goat. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 14:35, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
A dragon raided my village, burning everything above ground. The flames consumed everything. Including the dragon itself. --[[User:Sebbekai|Sebbekai]] 16:31, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
:err... it burned itself to death? Are you sure? Because if you look at the object data for dragons in this article, it has the [FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] tag... --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:17, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
::[FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] grants immunity to dragonbreath and the belief that the creature is immune to fire. It does not actually grant an immunity to fire. [FIREIMMUNE] does that. The dragon breathed, ignited grass, and burned upon the fire it started. Sometimes they purposefully hop into lava and become dragon fritters. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Tiny? ==

Dragons can enter dwarf homes? That's a bit odd. A five story tall dragon probably should be a bit taller then the four-or-so foot dwarves. I'd imagine elves have a hard enough time as is. [[User:Minalkra|Minalkra]] 01:20, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
:Uhh.. This is Dwarf Fortress not the North American Scale and Size Convention (NASSC) ...Duh [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 14:03, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Burning items ... ==

IMO the easiest way of dealing with fire breath is: Options -> Only military allowed outside.

Setting this ON as soon as the dragon arrives will result in dwarves not doing much (or more precisely cancelling any task that paths them outside), but should also prevent dwarves from picking up burning items (providing you kill the dragon while it's still outside the fortress.)

== They're [FANCIFUL]...? ==

I just noticed the object data for dragons has the [FANCIFUL] tag. I had been led to believe by [[Fanciful|this article]] that this tag was for creatures that were just mythical and didn't actually spawn in the game. But dragons certainly do spawn in the game. Is that article wrong or what? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:26, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

:I think this makes dragons not spawn normally. Instead, they spawn when it's time for a dragon attack. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:32, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

::Ah, I just looked at the other megabeasts, and they have the tag too, along with the demons. So that's probably why. The [FANCIFUL] article is still somewhat wrong or misleading though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:36, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

== After being tamed ==

Will the defend themselves if they get attacked? I would love burning the bloody goblins who go after my dwarf families. It seems they won't move much if you let them out of their cages. It would also be fun to have a match with 2 mega beasts against each other.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 13:37, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Spawning Injured? ==

I was just assaulted by a Dragon. With no legs. (Well... it was missing 2 legs... completely cut off)

It constantly was unconscious (although it did wake up every 5 minutes or so and take a couple steps forward)
I haven't checked up on the legends for that dragon yet, but I can assume it lost those body parts in a battle sometime back. Very... intriguing. Should a note be made about mega-beasts spawning as such?

:This does sound rather interesting. When did Toady Introduce the fact that Megabeasts exist in the world and can be encountered on numerous occasions, given that you haven't killed them yet? And, Can you find mega-beasts in Adventure mode? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:17, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

:As I recall, Megabeasts have their own lives and histories, generated when the map is generated. There is a rotating quote on the front page from Toady about a Titan that had its leg gnawed off by a dwarf and then laid waste to the land for 1000 years or so. So, no, your Dragon didn't start injured. Someone else injured it for you. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 17:09, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

== Dragon Footprints ==

From SomethingAwful forums thread #2917631<blockquote>

'''Krinkle posted:'''

holy poo poo! Just as I was getting ready to go home I get a message.

''Berayi Nelarthesa, Dragon, has arrived.''

I saved and took the save with me. Holy crap. I sounded the alarm that nobody but nobody was allowed outside and let loose and he leaves sand where he walks HE LEAVES SAND WHERE HE WALKS.
</blockquote>
Reposted for flavour by --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 07:02, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:It seems to me that dwarves walking on a layer of sand covered by grass leave sand where they walk, too. This way the stange phenomenon posted above might be explained. --[[User:Doub|Doub]]
::Elves have grasstrample 0. Dwarves have default grasstrample. Giant desert scorpions have grasstrample 10. Alligators have grasstrample 20. Dragons have grasstrample 50. A mess of dwarves milling about your entrance will wear away all the grass eventually. A dragon does it with every step. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Trapped! ==

I have built a few hundred cage traps around my fortress. The second a Dragon appeared, I ordered (o) my dwarves to stay indoors and just waited. AWESOME! Caught him in a dumb cage trap. Shucks the kobalts don't get caught in them... (so I put a few stone traps around the exits/entrances).

== Bugged Dragon? ==

I had 3 stonefall traps lining the entrance to my fortress (this was very early in the game). A dragon showed up when I was still getting settled (not even a season into the game) and cheerfully walked right past my traps without setting them off, then torched all of my dwarves. Why didn't it set off the traps? Was it flying over them?--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 20:17, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Water

2008-09-20T21:09:42Z

Aegeus:

I dug into a Murky pool, all 7's, drained out 8 squares of 7's into my reservoir to irrigate my farm, then closed the floodgate up. The murky pool was mixed 6's and 7's. After winter, it froze over, and in Spring melted back into all 7's again. Apparently they can refill themselves. It did snow on top of the pool. Perhaps the snow melted and got it wet? --[[User:Tracker|Tracker]] 20:36, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, if there's any water in the pool then they will freeze into ice walls. When the ice wall melts, it will always melt to depth 7, irrespective of how much water the ice was originally formed from. It is unaffected by snowfall, so if your murky pool ever completely dries out, it will never refill, even if you get lots of rain or snow. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

Do fish really flop around after you drain a pool? This didn't happen for me. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:08, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anyone know what the water output of a brook is? As in, does it fill a 1-width channel any faster or slower than a river?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:29, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Has anyone else seen stagnant water spontaneously appear beside a still? I had it happen twice, I swear that the still is leaking. --[[User:Krenn|Krenn]] 02:58, 14 November 2007 (EST)
:Likely, a dwarf for some reason dumped out a bucket or waterskin nearby. It tends to happen when you get job cancellations while filling a well or taking water to a prisoner or injured dwarf.--[[User:Knivesu|Knivesu]] 06:58, 3 December 2007 (EST)

== Evaporation ==

I notice that evaporation isn't covered here or in [[Magma]], and I think it might be a useful topic. My observation is that depth 1 fluids can evaporate if left alone. This means that you can get rid of arbitrary amounts of fluid simply by spreading it out enough, or by using a multiple-floodgate lock system to meter measured quantities of fluid out over a chamber floor. In my experience, evaporated water leaves behind mud, whereas evaporated magma leaves behind nothing. --[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:45, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

:Magma... evaporates? Could be true – this is DF, after all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 14:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== Bend bugs ==

Should we add a section about the u-bend bug?

I've just managed to make a V-bend that can absorb infinite water as well as the U-bend that creates it. Basically I used ramps to create a dip in a pipe trying to make a u-bend, and when I poured a full murky pool into it I ended up with only the bottom three squares full of water. I then got a real u-bend going from another pond and as much as it poured into a pool the v-bend absorbed it all.

Can anyone reproduce? <small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] ([[User talk:Ikkonoishi|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ikkonoishi|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>

The u-bend is notorious, but never heard or ran into a "v-bend" before.
A (side) diagram of your v-bend would be helpful in reproducing.
As for pages, I'd say no, since they shouldn't end up being around a long time, but who knows. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 18:13, 1 February 2008 (EST)
: I was going to do one but couldn't figure out how to make the ramps. I'll just use \.

Water went in. --> ~.~########
~.~.~### <--- No water out
####\~# /##
#####\~/###
###########

Even when I brought infinite water from a normal u-bend two levels above it it would not flow through to fill the pond again until I capped the holes. Using periods to break up the ~ so I don't have to use nowiki tags. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 18:58, 1 February 2008 (EST)

The map http://mkv25.net/dfma/poi-3138-emptypool --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 19:02, 1 February 2008 (EST)

== Stagnant Water ==

What marks water as stagnant? I know bucket water dumped on the ground is sometimes stagnant, but it's not defined here and I'm not sure what does it.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:30, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
:Ice that melts becomes stagnant water. So if you mine out ice in an underground area, it will immediately melt into stagnant water. [[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 13:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

::But I've had water in a bucket turn Stagnant. What is your responce Poindexter?! [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 16:32, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

== Map limits ==

Does water fall off the edge of the map ? Is it possible to actually make it flow out the map like rivers do ? Is it possible underground, several z-levels below he surface ? --[[User:Cptnemo01|Cptnemo01]] 03:51, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

: I would think so, but bear in mind that you can not construct or dig near the edge of the map, making it impossible to channel out water (however, you could make a big surface delta). --[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 08:07, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

== underground water manipulation ==

I am utterly lost when it comes to making underground channels/resovuoirs/wells or any other aquatic contraption beneath the earth. I've looked through both the wiki and the bay12 forums and all I've found are specialized articles for people who already know the basics. so can someone point me in the right direction? or even make a faq, if you're bored? I'd appreciate it.
--[[User:Splendiferous|Splendiferous]] 04:54, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps you have something a little more specific? Asking for all three is rather big and vague. --[[User:Borninshadow|borninshadow]] 22:32, 19 August 2008 (GMT -8)

== Finding Water ==

If there is no water visible on the map, how can I track it down? There's a small glacier away from my mountain, but I don't see an easy way to melt it. Other than that, nothing shows up on the map underground.