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Arni: /* Hunter and Gatherer */

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==Pre-Embark Build Ideas==
Before you embark, you can optimize or sabotage your fortress from the very start, depending on how you distribute your points. After a few years, a well-developing fortress may or may not stabilize (depending on your idea of {{L|fun}}), leaving you to other challenges.

=== Diplomacy ===
* Six dwarves with only social {{L|skill}}s
* One skilled dwarf

Six courtiers of the king's court made some ill-advised remarks within earshot of the king, and as a result have been ordered to go found an outpost. They've hired you to make sure they survive. The six nobles only have social skills and refuse to do any work that is beneath them.

=== Minimalist/Survivalist build===

* 1 anvil
* 2 copper ore

Nothing else. From that alone, forge your pick and axe. (Figure it out yourself, or see the [[40d:DIY#Minimalist_challenge_build|40d Do it Yourself]] article for a step-by-step "how to".)

Alternatively, drop the second copper ore and use a wooden axe for your woodcutting needs.

===Peasantry===
* Spend 0 Points on embark

This challenge is moderately to very difficult, depending on the wildlife and outdoor food sources. Note that the three logs from the wagon are just enough to build a trade depot.

Sadly, the wooden axes of DF2010 make this challenge remarkably easy. All you end up with is a fort that decided not to dig until the first caravan.

=== Stranded Scout Squad ===
* Military skills
* Weapons, ammunition, armor, war dogs
* Picks are not weapons

Your civilian 'friends' promised a caravan in the fall as they left, laughing. Hopefully, you can survive until then with your forward scouts.

==Races==
Pretend to be another race! You can mod the game or just pretend that Elves have hair. It doesn't matter what you look like, just what you build, with what materials, and what's for lunch after we build it.

===Elves - The Ultimate Hippy Challenge===
Peace, man.
* Don't gather plants except those you plant yourself.
* Don't gather wood nor trade for it with humans or dwarves.
* Trade for plants and wood only with the elves; they understand your environmental code.
* Don't burn any {{L|fuel|coal}}. Do you know what that does to the environment, man?
**Magma-smelting is an option, but steel can't be had.
* Don't cause any creature's death, except in self-defense.
**No military, induced submerging, or lethal implementation of corkscrews.
* Only use cage traps, and either tame the creatures you catch, or release them back into the wild.
* {{L|Elf|Hippies}} prefer sunlight and wooded areas, with minimal use of rock (digging and building).

For an extra challenge try this in an area with a cave.

===Humans - Living Large and Standing Tall===
Pretend you're a filthy above-ground dwelling {{L|Human|human}}.
* Build a town wall.
** Only hovels and farms outside the town walls.
* House your dwarves in small town homes
** 5-10 dwarves per house (they had pretty big families back in the day)
** Upstairs bedrooms, small dining room, maybe a single level basement.
* House your workshops according to profession, not convenience.
* Build warehouses for stockpiles, and set guards outside them.
* Create a keep, with its own wall, barracks, treasury, etc.
** House your nobles within the keep.
* Create a market square.
* Create a main street from the town wall to the market square and/or keep. Well-paved blocks, statues and decorative shubbery are a must.
* No underground connections between different areas.
* For obtaining stone, metal, etc. a mine may be built, but must have separate entrance from other buildings. It can be outside the fortress, but must not connect to the interior, or vice versa.
** If you create a side hill mine, only carve large (at least 2 tiles) tunnels, and create shaft to the surface to allow air circulation.
** Or better than that, create an open pit mine / quarry, with ramps to access lower floors.
* BONUS: Miniproject: Build a large, multiple-z-level fountain complete with decorations.
* BONUS: Miniproject: Human Inn, containing your only booze stockpile and should be party-oriented.
* BONUS: Miniproject: Farm simulation, complete with crops and free-range livestock, etc.
* BONUS: Easy Play: Embark on top of a Human Town.
* BONUS: Advanced Play: Modify the raws and actually use humans to make the fort.
* MEGABONUS: Build your entire fortress as {{L|mega construction|one huge arcology}}.
* MEGADWARFBONUS: Build your City in a giant, artificial cave.

===Luddite===
Shun technology and contraptions. Who can really trust them, with those {{L|Gremlin|gremlins}} around. This may be challenging, as it forbids easy isolation/defense from attacks, all traps and wells. Irrigation is reduced to solid elbow grease and maybe a bucket or two. This challenge may be even harder combined with another challenge.
* No mechanics or {{L|mechanism}}s
* No {{L|machine}}s

===Earthworms===
Live constantly tunneling. Churn up the soil as you go and visit the surface only rarely to collect the stuff you need..
* Create one long tunnel. Dig forward at one end whilst sealing off (collapsing, building walls across) the other end.
* Workshops should be built directly behind the row of miners. When they reach the point where they would be destroyed, take them apart and rebuild back by the miners again.
* To make it easier, you can come up to the surface now and then.
* Try to keep the tunnel as short as possible.
* Like this: ||||||||==========> (| is walled off end section, = is tunnel and > is the miners.
* BONUS: Leave those pesky nobles walled in as you tunnel away from them!
* BONUS: Leave stockpiles of armour and weapons for any future diggers to find!
* MEGABONUS: Surprise a goblin siege by tunneling up underneath them!

==Utter Dwarfiness==
Need new ways to behave or new techniques to dip your toes into? Give any or all of your starting 7 some quirks to live up to. Want to try making your Boss a hell-bent, paranoid despot? Or establish a routine mass murder of small animals to provide your fort with raw meat by a vaguely intimidating, estranged butcher?

===Bandit Camp===
* Three or more Marksdwarves (perhaps with {{L|Ambusher|ambushing}})
* Embark site featuring places to hide

Attack and loot every enemy sentient creature you can find, such as goblins & kobolds. Develop sneaky and even horrific methods of trapping and 'processing' friendly sentients (merchants, diplomats, and even migrants). Take no prisoners and leave no evidence of foul play.

===City-States===
* All dwarves embark as peasants
* 7 or multiple of 7 of everything you bring (especially picks and axes)

At the start your dwarves split everything equally and move to 7 different locales that are not interconnected. They have to mine their own rooms, plant their own crops, use their own craft piles. This will probably require a bit of cross-fertilization until you get {{L|door}}s and can lock everyone in, but after that it is every dwarf for him/herself!

Burrows are very useful for this.

===Dwarftopia===
*Embark only with dwarves that have max skills, with no more than one miner; but bring extra copper picks.
*Separate the fortress into 2 parts: a vibrant city above, and a depressed slum below.
**BONUS: Reverse the order; elite dwarves get to live underground, while the poor have to scratch a living off the surface.
*Throw all low-skill immigrants into the pits, where they will spend the rest of their lives (unless called up for the draft).
*'''DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES''' let said immigrants socialize whatsoever with the Elite; so nobody (who matters) will be upset when they die.
**BONUS: Make it impossible for anybody to escape by using trapdoors to drop them in and bridge-a-paults for sending goods out (preferably with a carp-based sterilization system).
***MEGADWARFBONUS: Set it all up so that none of the 'elite' have to do any work; all their needs are met by the laborers. Watch what happens and laugh as the laborers die out and high society breaks down.

===Equaland===
* No embark requirements
* Construct a successful fortress
* All dwarves are given equal attention regarding quarters, dining, armament and burial
* One dwarf elected to be "The Leader" commands a lever system capable of killing a single dwarf of your choice in their room, however you wish
* Allow the Leader (your id) free reign on his power, enforcing impossible and unannounced criteria on your other dwarves with death being the only punishment

===Hermit===
* Spend points ONLY on ONE {{L|Pick}}

A well known and popular challenge. Kill off 6 starting dwarves and any {{L|immigrant|immigrants}} as they arrive, and try to make a living for the last dwarf. Turn away merchants. If they don't leave, kill them.

'''Variants'''
To moderate difficulty, feel free to allow these exceptions:
* Keep one male and one female dwarf as the Dwarven Adam and Eve.
* Keep your starting seven, but no immigrants.
* Selectively admit dwarves based on name, profession, etc.
* Embark with an anvil as well.

===Hunting Party===
* One Marksman+Ambusher
* One Cook+Farmer
* One Brewer+Farmer
* Four exclusively social dwarves
* Embark with no anvil, many hunting dogs, into a challenging biome (terrifying areas may have no supply of wood)

===Immigration and customs enforcement===
* One miner/mason/architect
* One woodcutter/carpenter/architect
* Five military dwarves
* Embark into a canyon or on a road
* Don't embark with an anvil

Spend the first year building fortifications to interdict traffic. Immigrants can build a town around you, but your original seven dwarves remain dedicated to their mission (purely military in purpose).

==="Let Loose the Dogs of War"===
* No military Dwarves are permitted, including Fortress Guard.
* No weapons or armor may be forged, and any obtained from looting must be melted down.
* War dogs must be your only form of attack and defense.
** Bonus : No traps or defense mechanisms of any kind may be utilized, only dogs.

===28 Days Later===

*Embark at a terrifying biome(Scary Biome), make sure there are zombie somethings. Set up a five thick wall around your camp. Never leave the perimeters. All migrants would be wandering survivors, let them in or don't, as they might be infected.
*Bonus: If you have "reason" to believe the migrants are infected, sacrifice them to the Blood God. Remember, he loves Magma!
*Bonus: Only Marksdwarves for defense, You shouldn't get near the zombies, they tend to bite.If they are wounded, they must be quarantined, and shall therefore die.
*AdvancedPlay: Add zombie to the creatures list and set them as [EVIL].
**Bonus: Send one heroic guy to save the migrants from the zombies, like in 28 days later.
**Elf skin clothing anyone?
*Keep a diary from one of the characters perspectives, to be read when the world is repopulated.

===Master Of One===
Pre-Embark:
* All starting dwarves must have only one skill

Post-Embark:
* No changes are allowed on any dwarf's labor screen, except to ''disable'' hauling labors (enabling hauling is forbidden)
* All immigrants must stay with the profession(s) they arrive with
* All peasants must be activated into the military

'''Variant:'''
*Only allow one dwarf for each skill to remain in your fort (1 mason, 1 miner, 1 farmer, etc.). Slaughter or draft all other dwarves.

===Monarch with a grudge===
* Forbid any and all use of stone and metal
* No exposed tile may be labeled "Underground"
* Artifacts containing stone and metal are to be destroyed '''utterly''' (magma or the {{L|Dwarven atom smasher|DAS}})

"Nay, no ponderous stone doors or shining silver arcades, not while I live!"
The new king has decided rocks and metals can no longer be used in construction. He'll be overthrown shortly, but in the meantime construct your fortress without them.

'''Variants'''
* Embark with no construction materials, into an area devoid of trees.
* Construct a fortress made entirely out of glass. Try not using magma or limit yourself only to clear and crystal glass.
* Build with soap bars. Show those elven traders just how much you despise their philosophies by building with stuff derived from dead trees ''and'' dead animals. Cats are an excellent source of tallow.
* Choose one type of rock, one type of metal, one type of gem, one type of wood, and optionally one type of glass. All constructions can only use those types in their construction. An easy way to enforce this with stone is to mark all but your choice "Economical".
* Bonus points: Stone is forbidden along with digging

===Noblesse requiro===
* Construct a fortress only to please nobles (who, for the sake of this challenge, are all criminally psychotic)
* Criminals who deserve justice should be incarcerated, tortured, and executed for ''any'' offense. Use your imagination for every step of the process. Remember, there is no right to a fair and speedy trial in Armok's eyes.
* All Nobles must be treated to the highest quality living conditions
* All others must be treated to the bare minimum needed to physically keep them alive
* Elected nobles are to be treated as regular dwarves, but mandates hold equal sway regarding justice

===Santa Urist===
* Embark in a glacier biome
* Take at least 3 craftsdwarves to serve as Santa's Elves.
* Export as many toys as possible. These are your only permitted trade good.
* Bonus: Use this Christmas-themed tileset: [[http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/User:Sphr/gfx_set#Christmas_Special_2007]]

===Sitting on trees===
* Construct a wooden "tree" or several, spanning many (a dozen or so) z-levels
* Establish a successful fortress not inside, but around, these constructed trees

===The Mad Butcher===
* One dedicated Butcher+Tanner
* Minimal supplies and skills, so you can bring...
* As many puppies and kittens you can afford
* All food-gathering skills (except your Butcher+Tanner and Brewing) are forbidden

Caging your animals will increase performance to prepare a suitable butchery. Construct a wide, deep shaft to be zoned as an animal pit. At the bottom, outfit an isolation chamber complete with food and alcohol stockpiles, a bed, a butchery and a tanner's workshop. An active well will prevent mishaps. You should include during the construction either an airlock chamber (to enable the butcher to pass on food) or a second pit where the butcher dumps his created food. After construction, seal your butcher+tanner inside and live only off of his work.

===The World is Flat===
* No pre-embark requirements
* You'll probably want a region with lots of hills/mountains.
* You may only work/build/live on the original Z level where your wagon was
* No moats allowed, as this requires a channel, which goes below your z-level

===Hunter and Gatherer===
Pre-Embark (World-Gen)
* Try creating a world in year 1 (optional)
Post-Embark
* Everything allowed except Farming and Cattle Breeding.
Bonus
* BONUS: Embark in a desert, so only hunting and (aquifier) fishing.
** Extra Points: Dont fish in the aquifier. How could the turtles get there anyway?
** Create a huge pyramid and sacrifice living beings or valuables to Armok for rain by dropping it in the hollow inaccessible pyramid from the top.
*** Extended version: Fill the pyramid with magma!
** Create lines like the Nazca to honour Armok, so he will send some rain (maybe).
* BONUS: No Mechanics and only limited (i.e. only copper) or no metalworking.
* BONUS: Live underground in the caverns. Create there little huts out of rock and shrooms

===Cave Men===
Pre-Embark
An Overworld acessable cave

Post-embark
Go into the cave with all your dwarves, and try to survive the harsh enviorments of the new cave systems.
You cant use items from ground zero, all wood must be harvested in the caves, along with food.

*Bonus* no trading, who wants to enter that creepy cave anyways?
*MEGA BONUS* No dogs and no warrior dwarves.

===Fort wars!===

*The initial 7 create 2 forts on opposite sides of a map.

*After the initial 7, 1/2 of all immigrants get assigned to a burrow that encompasses one of the forts. New children get assigned to their parents fort. Each fort is self sustaining and produces their own goods. Then it turns into a competition to see which fort can produce the most wealth.
* Nobles are given free reign and will be quartered in the winning fort.
* Make a giant wall separating the forts above ground. On one side of the wall is an artificial lake made of water and on the other, one made of magma. Call forts Reliable.Excavation.Demolition and Builders.League.United.

===Deep dwarfs===
Following the embark, lock yourself up under the ground.
Don't let any of your dwarfs go outside. Let invaders into your underground maze of doom!

*BONUS: Dig deeper and deeper, abandoning the upper levels and rebuilding your fortress as you get more
deep.
*MEGA BONUS: create a caste of deep dwarfs (nobles?), who will only live on the bottommost levels.

===Earth Mover===
*Do what you need to get a huge guild of miners
*Dig every square in the map.
**Hint: you might want to turn cave-in on
**Another hint: Do you really want to put your castle up there, when your dwarfs are digging down there?

===Minimalist===
The opposite of Earth Mover
*Only dig a stone you need
*There should be no unused stones on the map
*BONUS: No spare items or furniture also
*MEGA-BONUS: No wars, as war leaves corpses and other useless crap

===Oh, The Humanity!===
*Live like humans do.
*Make about half of your buildings out of wood- structures that serve no defensive purpose, such as workshops, meeting halls, dining halls, the homes of the serfs and peasants etc should be wooden. You can also divide a large building up as sensible- you might make the main structure of a castle or wall out of stone for strength, then make the interior detailing, shacks, and other "addon" buildings out of wood. The important thing to keep in mind is that for humans, drafty, damp stone buildings are sometimes a functional necessity, not something they prefer.
*Build an aboveground outer wall of wood to start- you can replace it with stone once you reach fifty individuals.
*Underground areas are ONLY for mining shafts, root cellars, plumbing/mechanics, and perhaps a secret passage for your nobles to take in emergencies. No workshops, living spaces, or large-scale storage allowed.
*Most of your mining for ore and minerals should be done quarry-style, as humans are not well-suited to long-term underground life. A quarry should be a big, wide-open pit, shaped like an inverted pyramid, with a ramp leading out, so you don't feel boxed in and claustrophobic. Don't worry about the ecological impact of your surface strip mining.
*An exception to the mining rule is excavation for purposes of putting up outdoor buildings- so you can carve away a cliff wall to make room for a building, but you can't actually build *into* the wall like a dwarf would, so channel that natural dirt/stone roof out!
*All farming must be done with surface plants. No underground plants.
*Humans need several pubs so they can go bar hopping in their free time- they get bored with just one. Make sure you have a separate pub for every 15 individuals.
*Unlike dwarves, few humans have enough beard to hide their naughty bits when they run around naked. Make sure your humans have enough clothing to wear at all times.
*Finally, you need an aboveground castle. Early on, a small building will suffice but by the time royalty arrives, you'll need to have at least begun constructing a castle worthy of their station.

*BONUS: Humans enjoy bathing. If there is no pond inside your walls, build a channel to carry fresh water to an artificial pond so your people have a place to cleanse themselves. Build a 1-level waterfall in it so they can shower, and stock soap nearby.
*BONUS: Humans, as opposed to the elves reverence for nature and the dwarves utter disregard for it, actually believe it is their duty to pollute and destroy nature.
**Designate large refuse stockpiles and garbage dumps in the wilderness, and fill them.
**Chop down enough trees to piss off the elves every once in a while.
**Fill the map with paved roads. Pavement rules!

*MEGABONUS: The ultimate in human engineering. Build a 5-level above-ground mega-mall displaying all your salable wares. Build various stores for your goods, back room storage, a wishing pool for the main atrium, a food court with several "restaurants" specializing in specific foods and meals, a hair salon, a bank, and a security office staffed with rent-a-cops. Come up with more if you feel like it.
**UBER-ULTRA-BONUS: Give all the mall's stores security doors that can be controlled from the security office, for instant lockdown in case of a shoplifter. Can't have too much security!

=== Orbital Defense Network[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61614.0] ===

Build a 40z-level high magma rain-dropper. Build reservoirs connected to a volcano with retractable bridges at the bottom to drop magma on invaders! In a 50 tile wide hexagonal system, a 4x4x4 is all that is needed per reservoir.

=== Dwarven Prison ===
Faced with raising criminal rates the king has decided to go for a zero-tolerance policy. He sent out seven dwarfs to build and manage a prison to hold the worst of the worst criminals of dwarvenkind.

* Only your initial 7 dwarfs may do any work
* All immigrants are treated as inmates sentenced to life-long prison sentences. Yes, even the children. Don't ask, you are just doing your job and who are you to criticize the dwarfen justice system?
* Every inmate is locked up in solitary confinement within his/her own <strike>bedroom</strike> cell with only a bed and a forbidden metal door. Metal bars instead of walls are optional.
* Inmates have to be kept alive in their cells, but don't pamper them: Make them live on a diet of water and raw plump helmets. Feed them by dumping the plump helmets through holes in the cell ceilings or using an airlock system. Water can be provided through a water hole in the floor leading to a sewer system.
* Should an inmate [[tantrum|start to rebel]] the <strike>[[sheriff]]</strike> chief warden should restore discipline with an iron hand.
* It won't take long until a few inmates start to [[strange_mood|go insane]] from sensory deprivation. Too bad for them.

=== Cavernous Dwarves ===
A version of ‘Deep Dwarves’ and ‘Cave Men’, this challenge takes advantage of the large, underground caverns you find when you dig deep enough.

*Dig out a few rooms near the surface to hold all your starting goods and move them all underground as quickly as possible. (Don’t forget to disassemble your wagon.)
*Designate a meeting area underground so that none of your dwarves will be on the surface and then remove the stairs/ramps leading up.
*Start digging. Dig until you find the underground caverns (around lvl 10 - 15 depending on your map).
*Treating the caverns as ‘outside’, build your rooms and halls with windows looking into the caverns/underground lakes.
*Try as much as possible to not disturb the natural formations of the caverns. Building around a pillar is fine, carving out a pillar and building inside of it is fine, but avoid removing pillars. Use the cavern floor as your main hallway.
*Starting with at least one combat-ready dwarf is advisable (you may want more than one) as there creatures lurking around every corner.
*'''BONUS POINTS''': Construct a castle in a large cavern to house your nobles and make sure that all their rooms/offices overlook the working peasants.
*'''Extra Room Challenge''': If you are looking to expand the caverns, you may drain lakes into magma seas. (WARNING: This is a frame-rate killer!!! If you try this, make sure to disable the auto-pause/re-centering for collapsing cavern messages, and expect it to take a long time to complete.) Once you have one or more lake drained, you will likely have doubled the size of available caverns to build in.

=== Roman Empire ===
This challenge tries to emulate Europe during the Roman Era.

*All new male non-noble dwarves must be conscripted into the military for a period of no less than a year. Your initial seven are exempt, as they may be thought of as having fulfilled their military duty earlier in life.
*Steel, Aluminum, and Pig Iron are banned.
*All full-time military dwarves must have a matching set of iron platemail ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorica_segmentata lorica segmentata]) and iron short swords.
**All conscripted dwarves must have a full set of leather armor (material doesn't matter) and wooden crossbow.
***BONUS: All conscripted dwarves must have bows and arrows instead of crossbows and bolts. Trade with the filthy [[elf|Gauls]] for them.
*BONUS '''Peloponnesian War''': All full-time military units may only wear bronze armor and use spears.
*BONUS '''Aztec Empire''': All military may only use leather armor and obsidian short swords.
**MEGA BONUS '''Pre-Historical''': All metal production is banned.

=== Incompetent Advisors ===
After wrongly advising the king about which stones were safe from magma's fiery heat, he sent you off with a party of six others, most of which never made it out of dwarf high.

*Using the wiki and asking questions on the forums are forbidden! The king only laughs when your inquiries arrive. You only know what you knew from the start, anything else has to be tested with experiments
**BONUS only embark with peasants and only accept immigrants with adequate or lower skills.
***MEGABONUS, when the king comes (to apologize) decide he isn't sincere and dump him into the magma with his advisers (Anyone who comes with him)

==Arbitrary Law==
Rule your fortress with a Soapen Fist! Or see how far you get until a (voluntary) significant flaw sends you into an inevitable sadness spiral. Whatever it is, be sure to stick by it or you'll be meeting the Hammerer.

===Work with what you have===
* Build for one year as you normally would. Be as efficient as you like.
* At the end of the year, no more mining, constructing, or anything else.
* Wood may be gathered
* Walls may be constructed, but can only be used in already-existing constructions, like dividing a room into multiple separate rooms
* No new aboveground/belowground space-creation. You may only use the space you mined out in the first year
This challenge forces you to utilize space you havn't before. A large 5x hallway may be converted into a 1x with bedrooms on either side. Whatever you have to do to fit your current population. Be sure to build without any thought into the future of the fortress when you can no longer build. Instead, make it as hard as possible
Variations:
* you may build aboveground to a maximum of two stories above ground. Make big slums/refugee camps/bazaars. Anything that involves mass-small-one-story-buildings
* you may increase/decrease the time before you can no longer dig or build new space
* (decreased difficulty) you may plan ahead

===ASPCA===
* {{L|Animals}} are forbidden from the fortress
* Animals following immigrants cannot enter the fortress
* Lethal traps forbidden, caged non-sentients must be immediately released
* Butchery is forbidden, but leatherworking is allowed

Rather than forbidding immigrant pets from entering, you can choose to deal with the owner of that pet instead for a more sadistic challenge.

===Commune===
* After embarking, enable all labors on all dwarves (including immigrants)
* Beds can only be designated as barracks, and no dwarf can be assigned to a bed (even nobles)
* Coins are forbidden
* Be aware that nobles are to be considered part of the "bourgeoisie" and {{L|Unfortunate accident|dealt with}} immeadiatly

===Couples only===
* As soon as a married couple exists in your fortress:
** Kill all single dwarves (or put them in a meeting area for a year to find a lover. Kill the rest)
** Kill all incoming single dwarves
** Try to save children, until they are adult and single

===Dieting Dwarves===
* Exclusively dine on a food type of your choice (meat, fish, plants, alcohol)
* Optionally, forbid alcohol consumption to limit carbohydrate intake
**Note: forbidding alcohol permanently is as good as accepting a slow but continuous fortress death

===Dwarf Liberation Movement===
* Nobles are worthless scum, we give them nothing!
* As soon as possible, cage your expedition leader.
* Never appoint any dwarf into becoming a noble.
* Cage any dwarf that appears on the nobles and administrators screen.
* When your population elects a new mayor, release your old one and cage the new one.
** Bonus : Cage the king and all of his escorts!
** Extra Bonus : Once you have caged all nobles, administrators, the king and his advisor; you must unleash the Dwarf Atom-Smasher upon them.

===Fight for your name===
* Before embarking, randomly generate a fortress name and be sure to know its English translation
* Do the same with your group name
* Creatively designate a serious goal for your fortress, based on these names
* Fanatically reach your goal

===Fort Geneva===
* Lethal traps are forbidden
* Caged sentient creatures are to be considered prisoners of war and treated humanely

Suggested provisions for prisoners: a bed, a personal cell, a commons area, aboveground exercise yard, and the clothes the creature was wearing when captured. For more inspiration, go to: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions Geneva Conventions]

===Government in Exile===
* Only Military and Social skills can be purchased and enabled in your entire fortress

All dwarves are either nobles or in the military. The only useful dwarves you'll have will be your broker, manager, mayor, bookkeeper, and dungeon master. If you can survive until the sheriff arrives, transfer your entire military into the fortress guard. With a little luck, and a lot of exported roasts, you too can rule without proletarian interference.

===Hardcore Altruism===
* Do not allow the death of any Dwarf

Though not viscerally entertaining, an incredible challenge. All strange moods must be given what they crave. All medical attention must be done ASAP. Mining, fishing and hunting must be done with much care. Sadness must be met with excellent social skills and quality furniture.

===Industrial Plant===
* Choose one industry that produces commercial goods
* No other industries permitted, only imported

===Johannesfort===
* Find a starting location with a lot of gabbro, containing Kimberlite
* Mine and cut all the diamonds on the map
* Only gems can be traded.
** BONUS: Your leader [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_denialism#In_South_Africa denies the existence of infections]. Soap is neither manufactured nor traded for. Even if you know a dwarf has an infection, do not quarantine it or treat it any differently.
** BONUS: Use the Burrows tool to establish "gated communities" for select dwarves, such as legendaries and nobles. Keep the fortress guard confined to these gated communities. If a dwarf throws a tantrum outside these designated areas, let him or her rage.

===Sexist Segregation===
* Establish two functioning and stable fortress
* One must be entirely male, the other entirely female
* Married couples are to be processed

===THIS! IS! SPARTAAAA!===
* Change your population cap to 300.
* At least half of your fortress population must be active in the military.
* Crossbows and traps are forbidden.
* Only spears, swords, wrestling, helmets (helms) and shields may be equipped by military and used to fight.
** BONUS: All weapons and armour must be made from bronze.
* Civilian dwarves have all labors enabled.
** If ever activated, cannot use quality weapons or armor.
* Maimed dwarves (perceived to be) incapable of being fully healed must be killed. (This includes incurable spinal injuries in military dwarves!)
* Devise methods of dropping Liaisons down pits during meetings. Yell, "THIS IS SPAARRTAAAAA..." at your monitor.
* Demand goods be turned over from all caravans.
* Recreation is forbidden, as well as any 'improving' action, such as smoothing/engraving, or constructing things out of metals what can be done with rock and wood (besides spears, swords and shields).

Note that the above suggestions are modeled on the popular movie [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_(film) 300], an adaption of the visual novel [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_(comics) 300], both of which historically inaccurate. For a more "realistic dwarven Sparta", try reading the Wikipedia article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Society Spartan society].

===Mesoamerican Dwarfs===
* All food must be grown above ground, on small plots, surrounded by canals (chinampas)
** BONUS: Flood the farms annually.
* All buildings must be above ground.
* Capture as many of your enemies as possible.
* Build a massive step pyramid at the center of your fortress. Appoint one dwarf high priest and have him kill the prisoners at the top.
** BONUS: Build it upside-down.
*** MEGABONUS: Build the entire city on top of the upside-down pyramid, with another pyramid-temple in the middle.
* Surround your fortress with an artificial lake.
** BONUS: Build it in the middle of a natural lake.
* Use only copper or bronze metal (except for iron anvils).
* Soldiers can only use obsidian short swords. Axes are only for wood cutting.
* No armor except leather and only let champions use it. All others must fight unarmored.
** BONUS: Divide your soldiers into "Jaguar[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_warrior]" and "Eagle[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_warrior]" warrior societies and outfit them with leather armor made from their respective animals.
* Demand that all non-dwarf caravans surrender their goods as tribute.
* Build a giant, multistory building for holding skulls.

===French Revolution===
*Keep your nobles happy and your proles subjugated until you have a king issue a particularly stupid mandate.
*Build some manner of guillotine.
*Kill the king, everyone he is aquainted with, and everyone within the same room.
*Kill other important nobles as soon as your guillotine frees up.
*Unimportant Nobles are to be executed upon first mandate, or exiled at a random point in time.
*Any dwarf that has any relation to any noble must be executed.
* Kill any other dwarf if he has any whiff of aristocracy about him. Use your discretion.

===Specialized economy===
* The goal is to reach maximum efficiency. To do this, you must assign all your workshop dwarves to an individual burrow.
* Each dwarf must have his own dining room, bedroom just next to his workshop.
* You have to assign a stockpile for food and booze next to each of your workshop dwarves so they can feed. Specialized haulers will have to bring them their foods.
* You have to assign a raw material stockpile next to your workshop so your dwarf can work. Specialized haulers will have to bring them these raw materials.
* No workshop dwarf should leave their respective burrow. Ever.
* Good luck keeping all these stockpiles supplied all the time without getting lost!

==Megaprojects==
Try building some <s>ridiculously</s> humongous, <s>over</s>complicated construction, using whatever <s>in</s>appropriate building method your fevered imagination can come up with! Need some ideas? Take a look at the {{l|Megaprojects|Megaprojects page}}!

v0.31:Grate

2010-08-28T08:02:37Z

Arni: /* Floor Grate */

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A '''grate''' is a {{L|furniture}}-type item. It is used as a construction material for wall grates and floor grates.

== Wall Grate ==

A wall grate is basically a {{L|fortification}}, bar 2 differences:
* It is a {{L|building}} instead of a {{L|construction}}. It doesn't overwrite the tile below it, and it can be smashed by building destroyers.
* It can be linked to a {{L|lever}} or {{L|pressure plate}}. Once linked, it works like a linked {{L|door}} which doesn't stop fluids or {{L|arrow}}s when closed. ??

== Floor Grate ==
A floor grate blocks {{L|creatures|creature}} and item movement like a {{L|floor hatch}}, but it lets {{L|water}}, {{L|magma}}, and ranged attacks through like an open tile. It doesn't block line of sight. It can be linked. Triggered, it opens just like a hatch.

Floor grates must be attached {{L|orthogonal|orthogonally}} (i.e. not diagonally) to firm ground or some solid construction (a wall, floor, etc), not (just) other grates.

A floor grate does NOT count as solid construction. You can not attach a floor, wall or any other {{L|Construction}} to it. Neither can you place any {{L|building}} ontop of it.

You can not have a {{L|stockpile}} on floor grates.

Tiles below a floor grate do count as inside. They will not stop light.

== Bars vs. Grates ==

Vertical and horizontal {{L|bars}} seem to be functionally identical. The difference between grates and bars is that bars can only be made of {{L|metal}} but they can be constructed by any dwarf from {{L|bar|raw metal bars}} and do not require an intermediate production step.

{{buildings}}

v0.31:Grate

2010-08-28T07:57:03Z

Arni:

{{av}}
{{Quality|Fine}}

A '''grate''' is a {{L|furniture}}-type item. It is used as a construction material for wall grates and floor grates.

== Wall Grate ==

A wall grate is basically a {{L|fortification}}, bar 2 differences:
* It is a {{L|building}} instead of a {{L|construction}}. It doesn't overwrite the tile below it, and it can be smashed by building destroyers.
* It can be linked to a {{L|lever}} or {{L|pressure plate}}. Once linked, it works like a linked {{L|door}} which doesn't stop fluids or {{L|arrow}}s when closed. ??

== Floor Grate ==
A floor grate blocks {{L|creatures|creature}} and item movement like a {{L|floor hatch}}, but it lets {{L|water}}, {{L|magma}}, and ranged attacks through like an open tile. It doesn't block line of sight. It can be linked. Triggered, it opens just like a hatch.

Floor grates must be attached {{L|orthogonal|orthogonally}} (i.e. not diagonally) to firm ground or some solid construction (a wall, floor, etc), not (just) other grates.

A floor grate does NOT count as solid construction. You can not attach a floor, wall or any other {{L|Construction}} to it. Neither can you place any {{L|building}} ontop of it.

You can not have a {{L|stockpile}} on floor grates.

== Bars vs. Grates ==

Vertical and horizontal {{L|bars}} seem to be functionally identical. The difference between grates and bars is that bars can only be made of {{L|metal}} but they can be constructed by any dwarf from {{L|bar|raw metal bars}} and do not require an intermediate production step.

{{buildings}}

v0.31:Baron

2010-04-10T15:15:13Z

Arni: Created page with 'When you meet the requirements your liason will talk with you about becomming a barony. There are 2 choises. The one lets you appoint your baron of one of your people. The baron …'

When you meet the requirements your liason will talk with you about becomming a barony. There are 2 choises.
The one lets you appoint your baron of one of your people. The baron will work and you can change his labor settings.

There will no baronconsort be promoted

40d:Challenges

2010-01-10T09:48:46Z

Arni:

:''Part of this article was originally taken from the DF forums thread [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=466.0 "Goal-Based Dwarf Fortress"].''

The general goal of [[Fortress Mode]] is to survive, acquire wealth, defend your stronghold, and become the capital of your civilization. However, many players find that fighting off repeated [[siege|sieges]], keeping their people alive, and expanding just aren't enough anymore. They begin to experiment with different sets of starting builds, arbitrary requirements and restrictions, and even feats of construction to appease Armok, in search of more difficulty and [[fun]]. These are some goals to attempt or use as inspiration.

==Pre-Embark Build Ideas==
Before you embark, you can optimize or sabotage your fortress from the very start, depending on how you distribute your points. After a few years, a well-developing fortress may or may not stabilize (depending on your idea of [[fun]]), leaving you to other challenges.

=== Diplomacy ===
* Six dwarves with only social [[skill]]s
* One skilled dwarf

Six courtiers of the king's court made some ill-advised remarks within earshot of the king, and as a result have been ordered to go found an outpost. They've hired you to make sure they survive. The six nobles only have social skills and refuse to do any work that is beneath them.

=== Minimalist/Survivalist build===

* 1 anvil
* 2 copper ore

Nothing else. From that alone, forge your pick and axe. (Figure it out yourself, or see the [[DIY#Minimalist_challenge_build|Do it Yourself]] article for a step-by-step "how to".)

===Peasantry===
* Spend 0 Points on embark

This challenge is moderately to very difficult, depending on the wildlife and outdoor food sources. Note that the three logs from the wagon are just enough to build a trade depot.

=== Stranded Scout Squad ===
* Military skills
* Weapons, ammunition, armor, war dogs
* Picks are not weapons

Your civilian 'friends' promised a caravan in the fall as they left, laughing. Hopefully, you can survive until then with your forward scouts.

==Races==
Pretend to be another race! You can mod the game or just pretend that Elves have hair. It doesn't matter what you look like, just what you build, with what materials, and what's for lunch after we build it.

===Elves - The Ultimate Hippy Challenge===
Peace, man.
* Don't gather plants except those you plant yourself.
* Don't gather wood nor trade for it with humans or dwarves.
* Trade for plants and wood only with the elves; they understand your environmental code.
* Don't burn any [[fuel|coal]]. Do you know what that does to the environment, man?
**Magma-smelting is an option, but steel can't be had.
* Don't cause any creature's death, except in self-defense.
**No military, induced submerging, or lethal implementation of corkscrews.
* Only use cage traps, and either tame the creatures you catch, or release them back into the wild.
* [[Elf|Hippies]] prefer sunlight and wooded areas, with minimal use of rock (digging and building).

For an extra challenge try this in an area with a cave.

===Humans - Living Large and Standing Tall===
Pretend you're a filthy above-ground dwelling [[Human|humie]].
* Build a town wall.
** Only hovels and farms outside the town walls.
* House your dwarves in small town homes
** 5-10 dwarves per house (they had pretty big families back in the day)
** Upstairs bedrooms, small dining room, maybe a single level basement.
* House your workshops according to profession, not convenience.
* Build warehouses for stockpiles, and set guards outside them.
* Create a keep, with its own wall, barracks, treasury, etc.
** House your nobles within the keep.
* Create a market square.
* Create a main street from the town wall to the market square and/or keep. Well-paved blocks, statues and decorative shubbery are a must.
* No underground connections between different areas.
* For obtaining stone, metal, etc. a mine may be built, but must have separate entrance from other buildings. It can be outside the fortress, but must not connect to the interior, or vice versa.
** If you create a side hill mine, only carve large (at least 2 tiles) tunnels, and create shaft to the surface to allow air circulation.
** Or better than that, create an open pit mine / quarry, with ramps to access lower floors.
* BONUS: Miniproject: Build a large, multiple-z-level fountain complete with decorations.
* BONUS: Miniproject: Human Inn, containing your only booze stockpile and should be party-oriented.
* BONUS: Miniproject: Farm simulation, complete with crops and free-range livestock, etc.
* BONUS: Easy Play: Embark on top of a Human Town.
* BONUS: Advanced Play: Modify the raws and actually use humans to make the fort.
* MEGABONUS: Build your entire fortress as [[mega constructions|one huge arcology]].
* MEGABONUS: Build your City in a giant, artificial cave.

===Luddite===
Shun technology and contraptions. Who can really trust them, with those [[Gremlin|gremlins]] around. This may be challenging, as it forbids easy isolation/defense from attacks, all traps and wells. Irrigation is reduced to solid elbow grease and maybe a bucket or two. This challenge may be even harder combined with another challenge.
* No mechanics or [[mechanism]]s
* No [[machine]]s

===Earthworms===
Live constantly tunneling. Churn up the soil as you go and visit the surface only rarely to collect the stuff you need..
* Create one long tunnel. Dig forward at one end whilst sealing off (collapsing, building walls across) the other end.
* Workshops should be built directly behind the row of miners. When they reach the point where they would be destroyed, take them apart and rebuild back by the miners again.
* To make it easier, you can come up to the surface now and then.
* Try to keep the tunnel as short as possible.
* Like this: ||||||||==========> (| is walled off end section, = is tunnel and > is the miners.
* BONUS: Leave those pesky nobles walled in as you tunnel away from them!
* BONUS: Leave stockpiles of armour and weapons for any future diggers to find!
* MEGABONUS: Surprise a goblin siege by tunneling up underneath them!

==Utter Dwarfiness==
Need new ways to behave or new techniques to dip your toes into? Give any or all of your starting 7 some quirks to live up to. Want to try making your Boss a hell-bent, paranoid despot? Or establish a routine mass murder of small animals to provide your fort with raw meat by a vaguely intimidating, estranged butcher?

===Bandit Camp===
* Three or more Marksdwarves (perhaps with [[Ambush|ambushing]])
* Embark site featuring places to hide

Attack and loot every enemy sentient creature you can find, such as goblins & kobolds. Develop sneaky and even horrific methods of trapping and 'processing' friendly sentients (merchants, diplomats, and even migrants). Take no prisoners and leave no evidence of foul play.

===City-States===
* All dwarves embark as peasants
* 7 or multiple of 7 of everything you bring (especially picks and axes)

At the start your dwarves split everything equally and move to 7 different locales that are not interconnected. They have to mine their own rooms, plant their own crops, use their own craft piles. This will probably require a bit of cross-fertilization until you get [[door]]s and can lock everyone in, but after that it is every dwarf for him/herself!

This challenge may be easier to perform after Burrows are implemented.

===Equaland===
* No embark requirements
* Construct a successful fortress
* All dwarves are given equal attention regarding quarters, dining, armament and burial
* One dwarf elected to be "The Leader" commands a lever system capable of killing a single dwarf of your choice in their room, however you wish
* Allow the Leader (your id) free reign on his power, enforcing impossible and unannounced criteria on your other dwarves with death being the only punishment

===Hermit===
* Spend points ONLY on ONE [[Pick]]

A well known and popular challenge. Kill off 6 starting dwarves and any [[immigrants]] as they arrive, and try to make a living for the last dwarf. Turn away merchants. If they don't leave, kill them.

'''Variants'''
To moderate difficulty, feel free to allow these exceptions:
* Keep one male and one female dwarf as the Dwarven Adam and Eve.
* Keep your starting seven, but no immigrants.
* Selectively admit dwarves based on name, profession, etc.
* Embark with an anvil as well.

===Hunting Party===
* One Marksman+Ambusher
* One Cook+Farmer
* One Brewer+Farmer
* Four exclusively social dwarves
* Embark with no anvil, many hunting dogs, into a challenging biome (terrifying areas may have no supply of wood)

===Immigration and customs enforcement===
* One miner/mason/architect
* One woodcutter/carpenter/architect
* Five military dwarves
* Embark into a canyon or on a road
* Don't embark with an anvil

Spend the first year building fortifications to interdict traffic. Immigrants can build a town around you, but your original seven dwarves remain dedicated to their mission (purely military in purpose).

===Master Of One===
Pre-Embark:
* All starting dwarves must have only one skill

Post-Embark:
* No changes are allowed on any dwarf's labor screen, except to ''disable'' hauling labors (enabling hauling is forbidden)
* All immigrants must stay with the profession(s) they arrive with
* All peasants must be activated into the military

===Monarch with a grudge===
* Forbid any and all use of stone and metal
* No exposed tile may be labeled "Underground"
* Artifacts containing stone and metal are to be destroyed '''utterly''' (magma or the [[Dwarven_Atom_Smasher|DAS]]

"Nay, no ponderous stone doors or shining silver arcades, not while I live!"
The new king has decided rocks and metals can no longer be used in construction. He'll be overthrown shortly, but in the meantime construct your fortress without them.

'''Variants'''
* Embark with no construction materials, into an area devoid of trees.
* Construct a fortress made entirely out of glass. Try not using magma or limit yourself only to clear and crystal glass.
* Build with soap bars. Show those elven traders just how much you despise their philosophies by building with stuff derived from dead trees ''and'' dead animals. Cats are an excellent source of tallow.
* Choose one type of rock, one type of metal, one type of gem, one type of wood, and optionally one type of glass. All constructions can only use those types in their construction. An easy way to enforce this with stone is to mark all but your choice "Economical".
* Bonus points: Stone is forbidden along with digging

===Noblesse requiro===
* Construct a fortress only to please nobles (who, for the sake of this challenge, are all criminally psychotic)
* Criminals who deserve justice should be incarcerated, tortured, and executed for ''any'' offense. Use your imagination for every step of the process. Remember, there is no right to a fair and speedy trial in Armok's eyes.
* All Nobles must be treated to the highest quality living conditions
* All others must be treated to the bare minimum needed to physically keep them alive
* Elected nobles are to be treated as regular dwarves, but mandates hold equal sway regarding justice

===Sitting on trees===
* Construct a wooden "tree" or several, spanning many (a dozen or so) z-levels
* Establish a successful fortress not inside, but around, these constructed trees

===Stop, Hey, What's that Sound===
* (Optionally) Generate a world with abundant cave systems
* Establish a fort near a very large cave
* Imitate the role of "Angband", leading small parties inside on military excursions
* No more than 3 dwarves can enter at a time
* Siege equipment and other weapons (or dangerous contraptions) that a dwarf can't carry on him is forbidden when cave-exploring

'''Variants'''
* Only solo adventurers are allowed to enter the dungeon
* Only use 'Thieves' to steal loot and create traps inside the dungeon

===The Mad Butcher===
* One dedicated Butcher+Tanner
* Minimal supplies and skills, so you can bring...
* As many puppies and kittens you can afford
* All food-gathering skills (except your Butcher+Tanner and Brewing) are forbidden

Caging your animals will increase performance to prepare a suitable butchery. Construct a wide, deep shaft to be zoned as an animal pit. At the bottom, outfit an isolation chamber complete with food and alcohol stockpiles, a bed, a butchery and a tanner's workshop. An active well will prevent mishaps. You should include during the construction either an airlock chamber (to enable the butcher to pass on food) or a second pit where the butcher dumps his created food. After construction, seal your butcher+tanner inside and live only off of his work.

===The World is Flat===
* No pre-embark requirements
* You'll probably want a region with lots of hills/mountains.
* You may only work/build/live on the original Z level where your wagon was
* No moats allowed, as this requires a channel, which goes below your z-level

==="I guess it's up to us to repopulate the planet..."===
* Embark on a loner site - this means one where traders, siegers, migrants, etc. simply don't show up, ever.
* Kill five of your starting seven, leaving one male and one female.
* You will get no population influx in any way (ever!) aside from breeding. Uncertain if inbreeding is possible for more generations of dwarves - unlikely. Hope the McUrists are prepared for a big family...

===Hunter and Gatherer===
Pre-Embark (World-Gen)
* Try creating a world in year 1 (optional)
Post-Embark
* Everything allowed except Farming.
Bonus
* Embark in a desert, so only hunting and (aquifier) fishing.
** Extra Points: Dont fish in the aquifier. How could the turtles get there anyway?
** Create a huge pyramid and sacrifice living beeings or valuables to Armok for rain by dropping it in the hollow inaccessible pyramid from the top.
*** Extended version: Fill the pyramid with magma!
** Create lines like the Nazca to honour Armok, so he will send some rain (maybe).

==Arbitrary Law==
Rule your fortress with a Soapen Fist! Or see how far you get until a (voluntary) significant flaw sends you into an inevitable sadness spiral. Whatever it is, be sure to stick by it or you'll be meeting the Hammerer.

===ASPCA===
* [[Animals]] are forbidden from the fortress
* Animals following immigrants cannot enter the fortress
* Lethal traps forbidden, caged non-sentients must be immediately released
* Butchery is forbidden, but leatherworking is allowed

Rather than forbidding immigrant pets from entering, you can choose to deal with the owner of that pet instead for a more sadistic challenge.

===Commune===
* After embarking, enable all labors on all dwarves (including immigrants)
* Beds can only be designated as barracks, and no dwarf can be assigned to a bed (even nobles)
* Coins are forbidden
* Be aware that nobles are just "optional" and can't feel pain

===Couples only===
* As soon as a married couple exists in your fortress:
** Kill all single dwarves
** Kill all incoming single dwarves
** Try to save children, until they are adult and single

===Dieting Dwarves===
* Exclusively dine on a food type of your choice (meat, fish, plants, alcohol)
* Optionally, forbid alcohol consumption to limit carbohydrate intake
**Note: forbidding alcohol permanently is as good as accepting a slow but continuous fortress death

===Fight for your name===
* Before embarking, randomly generate a fortress name and be sure to know its English translation
* Do the same with your group name
* Creatively designate a serious goal for your fortress, based on these names
* Fanatically reach your goal

===Fort Geneva===
* Lethal traps are forbidden
* Caged sentient creatures are to be considered prisoners of war and treated humanely

Suggested provisions for prisoners: a bed, a personal cell, a commons area, aboveground exercise yard, and the clothes the creature was wearing when captured. For more inspiration, go to: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions Geneva Conventions]

===Government in Exile===
* Only Military and Social skills can be purchased and enabled in your entire fortress

All dwarves are either nobles or in the military. The only useful dwarves you'll have will be your broker, manager, mayor, bookkeeper, and dungeon master. If you can survive until the sheriff arrives, transfer your entire military into the fortress guard. With a little luck, and a lot of exported roasts, you too can rule without proletarian interference.

===Hardcore Altruism===
* Do not allow the death of any Dwarf

Though not viscerally entertaining, an incredible challenge. All strange moods must be given what they crave. All medical attention must be done ASAP. Mining, fishing and hunting must be done with much care. Sadness must be met with excellent social skills and quality furniture.

===Industrial Plant===
* Choose one industry that produces commercial goods
* No other industries permitted, only imported

===Johannesfort===
* Find a starting location with a lot of gabbro, containing Kimberlite
* Mine and cut all the diamonds on the map
* Only gems can be traded.

===Sexist Segregation===
* Establish two functioning and stable fortress
* One must be entirely male, the other entirely female
* Married couples are to be processed

===THIS! IS! SPARTAAAA!===
* At least half of your fortress population must be active in the military
* Crossbows and traps are forbidden
* Only spears, swords, wrestling, helmets (helms) and shields may be equipped by military and used to fight
** Bonus points: All weapons and armour must be made from bronze
* Civilian dwarves have all labors enabled
** If ever activated, cannot use quality weapons or armor
* Maimed dwarves (perceived to be) incapable of being fully healed must be killed
* Devise methods of dropping Liaisons down pits during meetings. Yell, "THIS IS SPAARRTAAAAA..." at your monitor.
* Demand goods be turned over from all caravans
* Recreation is forbidden, as well as any 'improving' action, such as smoothing/engraving, or constructing things out of metals what can be done with rock and wood (besides spears, swords and shields)

Note that the above suggestions are modeled on the popular movie [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_(film) 300], which was historically inaccurate. For a more "realistic dwarven Sparta", try reading the wiki article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Society the real Sparta]

==Megaprojects==
Instead of deliberately inhibiting yourself, create a wonder of the dwarven world that would make the Mountainhomes proud. Be sure to upload it to the [http://mkv25.net/dfma/ Dwarf Fortress Map Archive] when it's finished. More projects can be found where [[Stupid_dwarf_trick|stupid dwarves try crazy tricks]]. [[Mega construction|Incredible feats of construction]] are usually very [[Fun|fun]] so you'll see many different (and probably similar) constructions across the Wiki. Use whatever ideas you think are ingenious.

===Aqueducts===
For some reason, a noble was harmlessly pulling a lever when suddenly, magma flooded the river and exploded the booze! The king requires your band of seven to build a great aqueduct to bring water to the capital. Start with supports, and build up your aqueduct until it is 10 z-levels high!

BONUS: Start over a human town, build a wall around it, pump water through the aqueduct and into it!

===Biodome===
All material, seeds, food, tools, and dwarves must be in the fortress within one year. Then, seal up the entrance. Any new immigrants... well, they might be in trouble. Survive for as long as possible!

No chasms/underground rivers/magma vents allowed.

===Casting===
Who needs to construct giant statues?! We need ours made from natural walls, however, we want it above ground level as well. For casting your goal is to create some giant structure out of natural obsidian walls through the use of an extremely elaborate scaffold of lava and water pools and screw pumps. When you are finished, just deconstruct the scaffolding and smooth/engrave the statue as you go. Just imagine the bridge over that chasm, now complete with two giant dwarf statues on either side to strike fear into all who enter and to show them the power of your fortress.

BONUS: Make the statues spit lava.

===Castle===
Build a castle, greater than anything built by human, elf or dwarf. This is highly time
consuming if you want it to be a good castle. There must be floor indoors, and no underground
constructions except for mining operations and cellars. For an even greater challenge, build
a gigantic tower in the middle, where the nobles stay.

===Ceremonial Sacrifices===
Build an amazingly complex or spectacular killing device. A shaft that extends across the entire Z-plane is a good start. A constantly shifting maze of atomsmasher drawbridges is another. For the minimalist, a very confined space where you will drop a dwarf wrestler along with the gobbos once in a while. Perhaps a waterslide that carries your prisoner all the way down into a chasm? Whatever your idea, build it and dedicate your fort to the construction, maintenance and improvement of your device.

Do not kill any of your invaders. Capture them using cage traps, and them set them off in your device. Keep a record of the number of victims you drop into it.

BONUS: Create a statue garden to memorialize your victims, with one statue per victim. Structure your fortress such that sacrificial victims have to pass through the garden on the way to their demise.

===Computing===
Can your dwarves build the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism Antikythera mechanism]? Can you program the fortress to play tic-tac-toe? More details at [[computing]].

===Colosseum===
Build a pit, around it on steps lots of Thrones, make the whole thing a meeting area, train Gladiators, capture goblins, leave them their weapons and let them fight against your gladiators. If they win, let them go.

===Crematory Fortress===
* Requires a [[magma pipe]] and [[bauxite]].

Build a temple structure above a [[magma pipe]] and [[engrave]] every available surface. The temple should be as opulent as possible. In the temple, build a retracting [[bridge]] over a hole in the floor, and designate a [[coffin]] [[stockpile]] on it. Whenever a dwarf dies, build a [[bauxite]] or other [[magma-proof]] [[coffin]] for him, place it on the [[bridge]], and retract it, committing his body to the [[magma|fiery blood of the mountain]].

::Note: Since coffins are unassigned and emptied when deconstructed and cannot be constructed on top of a bridge, this will not actually work. An alternative would be to place the coffins in individual chambers which can then be flooded with magma afterwards.

::: You could expose the magma pipe, build a one-tile wide floor span across it, and then above that build a support that holds up your temple floor on the z-level above. The temple floor would be separated from the walls of the temple and would be connected for walking access diagonally. The support holds it up. You would have to construct the coffins in the temple, then when someone gets buried you pull the lever attached to the support. You then rebuild the narrow span below, the temple floor, and the support, then link the lever to the new support.
::: You can do this without scaffolding if you build the temple floor access straight in, and then the span below and the support, then once the support is in place you destroy the straight temple access leaving only a diagonal temple access.

===Doomsday Clock===
Build a water or mechanical clock whose final state triggers the support which holds your fortress up or a megabeast out.
See how much wealth you can achieve before the clock runs out.
*Bonus: Create something that resets itself, as well as purging the map, so that you can reuse the same fortress over and over.
*Super-Bonus: Create something that involves pressure plates and a small kitten, when the pressure plates are hit in the right order, your map ends. Toss the kitten in and hope for the best. Alternatively, make the sequence quite unlikely, but add 2 kittens; breeding introduces a probability of doomsday that is a function of time (depending on the mechanisms involved)
*Super-Bonus: Create the super-bonus above, but place the kitten on the lowest Z-level and never return to either look at it or see how many of the conditions for the doomsday device have been met. This way, the kitty mimicks Schrodinger's cat: we cannot observe the state of the kitty, but we can infer it from the state of the world (spin-pairs effectively).

===Dwarf like an Egyptian===
*Build a pyramid of epic proportion.

Build a legendary dwarven pyramid, with a corridor running to a central tomb for your favourite noble. Then construct lots of different [[traps]] in it to avoid grave robbery. Perhaps build it entirely out of glass? Or try to make the top twist in a bit of a swirl. Alternatively, make your entire fortress inside a pyramid, which stretches below the ground.

*Build rows of Obelisks

Build a double row of Obelisks before the Pyramid, and engrave the sides. Build ramps on the tops.

*Build the whole thing upside down.
** And then another one on the upside-down one.

*When the time has come, or when your fortress is about to be destroyed by a siege etc perform the ceremony to translate the mortal form of the noble to the underworld. Give him a ritual death, and make sure you kill his servants as well. If the tomb is built for your king make every dwarf die but one, who inters everyone into their resting place. His final act will be to pull a level that seals the tomb as well as kills him. Then enjoy going back and reclaiming your fortress to observe your efforts.

===Graveyard Master===
Every dwarf deserves a decent resting place:
*Build a tomb for ever dwarf that dies, the more dwarves you manage to bury the better.
*Tombs must be rooms with exactly 5x5 of size and 1 of height, with only one entrance tile that must be closed by a door.
*Tombs must have all its surfaces engraved.
*Tomb must contain at least 4 statues.
*Once complete, the door must be locked and the tomb must not be ever entered again.

===How high can you go?===
Construction, construction, construction! Just how big a tower can you build? Out of glass maybe, clear glass? Steel? Pump water to the top? Make your tower a ''pinnacle'' of achievement and stun humans, elves and goblins alike - for they know nothing of construction and engineering like dwarves do!

===Land battleship===
Turn your mountain into a huge battle-station, complete with crew quarters, decks, command centre, cantina, and a large collection of deadly weapons : Batteries of marksdwarves, ballista cannons, catapults, boarding bridges and -teams, but also lava projector or remote explosive devices (ie cave-ins in a part of the map triggered by a lever). Make sure it ends up looking like a real battleship, with nothing but plains surrounding it (you could build it on an actual plain, or destroy a mountain, choice is yours). The battleship has to be autonomous, and dwarves shouldn't wander outside it.

*Bonus: The weaponry covers every tile of the map (i.e., everything that enters the map can be shot)
*Bonus: Build several other ships, maybe dedicated to a specific product (food, ammo etc.)
**Bonus: Find a way to let them fight each other in a naval battle
*Bonus: Each crew member has a civil and military formation, and when the enemy arrives, stop every economic activity. All hands to quarters !
*Mega Bonus: After building your Ship(s), flood the surrounding countryside.

===Moria===
Build a huge hall - at least 3 z-levels high. Leave few pillars symmetrically placed in the hall (don't build them, carve them out). Smooth and possibly engrave everything (not only the lowest z-level!). Then build thin bridge (not the bridge building, just a thin piece of rock to walk on) above magma - support it with bauxite supports connected to a lever (bauxite mechanisms needed in support). Destroy stone holding it at the both ends and replace it with floor hatches (so when you pull the lever it all goes down). After that build a bridge above the chasm.
When it's all done seal your dwarves deep inside in safe place and get invaded by goblins. At the same time dig out HFS. Lead the HFS across the both bridges and then collapse the second one when one of the champions clashes with it (it doesn't matter that the champion has killed the HFS with one hit).

===Mountain audit/core sample===
Start in a mountainous area and strip mine everything down, down, down to ground level. Stockpile everything, and calculate the mountain's composition. For kicks, try not excavating one tile on each z-level. You'll be left with one enormous core sample.

===Project Mayhem===

*You do not talk about project Mayhem
*Build a series of towers, at least 10 z-levels high, of different size and shape. They must be supported by a series of supports linked to a lever.
*Store all your riches in the towers : crafts, precious metal bars, gems, artifacts, everything. You may also want to house your nobles on top of the towers.
*Pull the lever and watch the collapse of financial history.

Bonus : make the towers' walls out of glass!

Bonus : Make soap! And remember, human fat is ideal...

===Santa Claus===
Get ten thousand toys built and offered to caravans yearly. Optionally, build ten thousand toys, fetch them in adventure mode and deliver them to every single city of the world.

===Skull collector===
What proves the might of a civilization better than a hall full of skulls?
*Try to collect as many skulls as you can during your fortress life, and put then in a special skulls-only storage. The more skulls the better.

BONUS: Cover all the skulls in blood, and make the stockpile also a throne room.
SUPERBONUS: Also fill the throne room with kittens.

===Space Ship===
Create a giant space ship fit for space travel. It should be able to hold about 100 dwarves for at least 2 years.

*BONUS: Use exploding [[booze]] as ignitable fuel.
*BONUS: Make a removable [[ramp]] for boarding.
*BONUS: Make the [[water]] for the 2 years be on the ship using removable pumps.
*BONUS+: Make it totally self sufficient. (Make an internal system which pumps the [[water]] supply through a room every few years to muddy the floor. Plant [[seed|seeds]] in the [[mud]] that's now on the floor. Manage your consumption to maintain self sufficiency.)
*Modding BONUS: Mod the game so that merchants can fly their new wagonships into your docking bays. ''(If possible)''
*BONUS+: Make it all out of [[steel]].
*[[fun|FUN]]: Let it be held by a single [[support]], ignite the [[booze]], remove the support an let it "fly".
*EVEN BETTER: Drop it down a chasm.
*More [[fun|FUN]]: Set up a mining operation on the surface and dig into the HFS. Watch the alien creatures take over your ship and hunt down your dwarves. Form a squad of heroes to overload the booze reactor to prevent the aliens from reaching earth. (See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Space_%28video_game%29 Dead Space] and/or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28film%29 the Alien series])

===Swiss Precision===
Build a working clock. The clock should accurately track DF days, months, and years.

Bonus Points:
*If the clock has a mechanical effect in the fortress proper to announce new days
*If the clock creates seasonally appropriate effects at the change of months and/or seasons.
*If the clock is used to aid in the operation of the fortress in addition to its role as a clock (automatically controls farmland irrigation at particular times, automatically opens the <s>blast doors</s> <s>floodgates</s> Magma Channels in time for merchants, etc...).
*If the clock governs the schedule of a working rail station (which is always on time). (Definitions of 'working' and 'rail station' are subject to player imagination).
*If the clock takes measures to protect itself. ''"I can't let you do that, Urist."''

But don't worry about the bonus points, a precision time device should be hard enough.

===Temple===
Designing a temple to Armok. Aesthetics count - the god will be very angry if there are no stained-glass windows and domed ceilings carved with frescoes. To gain more favor, make regular sacrifices and keep the fountains and rivers red with [[blood]].

===The cube===
Play a fort as usual, but emphasize catching goblins in cages to support and fill this construction:
Construct a series of rooms in a symmetrical fashion, all connected to each other with appropriate doors. Of course, enough rooms to make a maze-like structure, and if you feel like it, an exit that is hard to reach. Fill a bunch of the rooms with traps and pressureplates. Then fill one room with 4-6 goblins (preferably in cages, opened by an outside lever), release them and watch them randomly walk around the rooms dying to traps and whatnots.

*Bonus: Do multiple story maze (3d-maze)
*Bonus: Use pressureplates to open/close the exit randomly; otherwise, all the goblins will just follow the shortest route to the exit.

===The great brewery===
Disaster has struck the kingdom. A strangely glowing [[Fire|‼]]<nowiki></nowiki>peasant[[Fire|‼]] visited the greatest brewery of the empire, and as a result the whole thing exploded. No time for weeping — create its successor, a fort dedicated to alcohol production, and get the alcohol supplies flowing! Try to make the widest variety possible, and give or trade it to the dwarven [[caravan]] each year.

===The Great Wall of Urist===
Build a dwarven great wall of china that splits the map in half. Must be at least 10 tiles thick and reach the highest z-level.
* BONUS: Make it block the <s>mongols</s> goblins out of your half of the map.
* BONUS: Make it out of obsidian.
**BONUS+: Embark on a map without obsidian.
* BONUS: Find a way to make it touch the boundaries.
* BONUS: Build one gate
* BONUS: Arm it with ballistas.

===The Monolith===
As the inevitability of a fortress-wide mental breakdown looms over every single fortress why not have something that alludes to that precipice of [[insanity]]. Like the book and feature film, 2001: A Space Odyssey you must have a Monolith. This has to be made from [[obsidian]] and have a completely smooth surface (You cannot build it from blocks) You can have it be any size as long as it is outside, at least 2 tiles thick to ensure there are no pillar tiles, and has about the same ratio of width to height as it does in the movie (1:4:9) to make it as close to the real thing as possible. It would be preferable to make it large so that it seems to be dominating the landscape and your dwarves' psyche. The bigger the better.

*If the rock obsidian strata isn't deep enough in parts to make a monolith feasible consider casting a monolith with a large rectangular block in the exact same dimensional criteria as above.

===Statue of greatness===
Build a giant statue, spanning 10-20 z-levels and make it in the shape of say, a dwarf you like or an animal you like.
* Bonus: make it in the shape of a teapot that has a working boiling system and a spout that water can come out of.

===Underwater fortress===
Encase your entire fortress in [[water]]! Your fortress should be watersealed: surrounded by water against all [[wall]]s and the top of the fortress.
* Bonus: Build all water-touching walls/roof in clear glass!
* Bonus: Use [[magma]] instead of water!
* Bonus: Build it in the [[ocean]] or a non-freezing lake
* Bonus: Build large glass domes that encase the fortress. A dome 20 tiles wide should be 20 z-levels tall. Which may be hard to cover in water.
** NOTE: Actually, a dome 20 tiles wide should be 10 tiles tall, or less, since the steepest dome will be only semi-spherical, and most domes will start out at an angle anyway.
* Bonus: Have a mechanism for dropping your enemies into the water to drown! Or fill the water with carp.
* Mod: Make your dwarves amphibious and include airlocks between the wet fortress and the dry.
* Remake: Make Rapture city from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioshock Bioshock]

===Wealth===
The kingdom's coffers need lining, so hop to! Found a fort and start accumulating wealth as fast as possible. Attain as high a fortress value as possible, and make most of your wealth into coins for the vault. Try to beat your record for one year, two years, or five years.

===World Domination===
Pretend you are an evil mastermind. Now come up with some device or machine to render the world (or at least your portion of the map) totally unlivable, aside from, of course, your hidden lair.

You will receive bonus points for making a more realistic World Domination setup. Some suggestions:

* Make one dwarf the evil mastermind. The evil mastermind will have no empathy whatsoever, and they will hate all other races, and put no value on their lives. Protect him at all cost. If he should die, switch his position to his oldest child (who will avenge his father, also insanity is hereditary.) or the most insane, diabolical dwarf in your fort.
* Impractical, overkill solutions to everyday problems ("Sir, the dungeon master wants a better room" "Well then turn his room into a tomb and flood it with magma, and do not bother me with such trivial matters again or I will have you shot.")
* Give the evil mastermind a pet to obsess over. Give it a name like Mr. Bigglesworth or Snuggles.
* Have a science lab. Use living creatures and people as test subjects.

Doomsday device suggestions:
* Flood the map with water/magma (may require building walls around the edge of the map)
**BONUS: the water has carp in it.
* Build an "Earthquake Machine" (the entire map is supported by a single support, which is connected to a lever)
* Build an extensive holding cell network for "scientific purposes". Fill it with megabeasts and <s>elephants</s> unicorns in secret. Have a lever that lets everything free to feed on the general population.
* Embark in an evil area, and capture and tame all those undead animals if possible to create your own undead army
* Bonus: Eliminate the dwarves who constructed your device before you set it off. They must not be allowed to warn the rest of the citizens.
* Build an orbital weapons platform in space (which should be 12-15 stories above the ground, use your imagination), then arm it with magma bombs (droppable tank of magma) to glass the planet, rendering it uninhabitable for a few years.
* You can also recreate the most evil society in history and try a Nazi-dwarf concentration camp.


[[Category:Guides]]

=== The Grand Treasury ===
At first, have the king come to you. Then excavate a laaarge room and fill it with i.e.: Lots of coins, shiny gems, artifacts, golden statues, silver mugs, etc. pp. But the king is still not satisfied with his possessions, so he wants more and more shiny and sparky things.
Of course sooner or later (probably sooner) those filthy kobolds and goblins will come and try to steal this enormous hoard. We must never tolerate this! Turn your treasury into a strongroom like the world has never seen before! Secret doors, traps in abundance, guards at every door, ballistae, guard dogs, the whole program. If anything gets lost, you have proven your incompetence, and the king will have your fortress abandoned and founded another to guard his treasures.

*Bonus: Build up the treasury and raid it successfully in Adventure Mode

=== Heaven ===
Build a dwarven version of heaven. Every dwarf must want to come to you! Important pieces:
# Streets paved with gold.
# The mindless hordes are held back by pearly gates -- or at least a close equivalent. Marble doors with diamond encrustations.
# No dwarves die (except for criminals). Heaven is everlasting.
# All criminals must be cast into the fires of Hell. Ideally, this would either be HFS or the bottom of a magma pipe.
# Nothing is ever stolen. St. Peter doesn't screw up.
# After the King has arrived, any male children he has must be sent out to fight sieges alone.

BONUS: No dwarves are ever unhappy -- no tantrums and no insanity. 
BONUS: When migrants arrive at the pearly gates, view their thoughts and preferences and only allow those with a similar/same Diety as your population. 
BONUS: Make Heaven 10 stories above the ground 
Mod: Make Angel dwarves and a godly being. (suggestions: Cacame, Morul, Ironblood.) 
MEGABONUS: Dig into the HFS and have a battle between Heaven and Hell. 
ULTRABONUS: Make Heaven in the air, an earthly society on the ground (a wooden town perhaps?), and carve the HFS place into Hell, complete with a lake of Magma/fire.

40d Talk:Refined coal

2010-01-07T19:58:54Z

Arni: /* Coke/Charcoal constructions + Magma = Permanent fire? */

Maybe the articles on charcoal and coke should be merged with this page on fuel since all three pages basically say the same thing. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 18:00, 22 November 2007 (EST)

== Starting things off ==

Somehow this needs to be adjusted to show that to kick start your smelter you need some coal... or is there some other way of getting from bituminous coal to coke? fan I use some other furnace to get started? (I have plenty of wood, "rock" and bituminous coal but no "coal" or magma).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:27, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:it already says "(fuel will be needed to power this at a normal smelter)" for the bituminous coal to coke reaction in the article. turn that wood into charcoal and use it to turn the bituminous coal to coke [[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:55, 8 January 2008 (EST)

::All right... someone at a different page said I needed '''coal''' and I couldn't find "just coal" mentioned ANYWHERE, hence my confusion.
::So I need to "process" wood to get "charcoal". Will see how I go, thanks.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:18, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Is wood burning a skill? ==

I cant seem to find it on the [[skill]] page. Either that or this one should be changed
:Wood Burner at the bottom of the Farmer section. It's there :) --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:02, 8 January 2008 (EST)
::Oops, my bad. Sorry --[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 17:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Block template ==

Over at [[Lignite]] there is a pretty little box which looks like:
{{Stone|name=Lignite|tile=*|color=#888
|uses =
* 2 [[coke]] at [[smelter]]
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as veins
|properties =
* Can [[ignite]]
* [[Economic stone]]
* [[Material value]] 1}}

It would be nice if there was one here too.

Secondly, what I would like to do on [[Lignite]] and [[Bituminous coal]] is have a pictorial formula which says:
l [[lignite]] + 1 [[coal]] = 2 [[coke]]
( it would be like :
{{key|l}}{{key|l}} + {{key|c}} = {{key|a}} but with pictures of the tiles instead of letters)

but I don't know how to do the tiles for lignite / coal / coke / charcoal.
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)

== Coke/Charcoal constructions + Magma = Permanent fire? ==

I always wondered if making a magma cistern out of Coke would create a massive, but permanent fire. The reasoning would be that coal burns in any form, magma is hot, but constructions are permanent and not destroyed by magma. In a failed attempt to create a permanent magma waterfall, some magma touched my coke road (I had no iron, but magma and plenty of bitimous coal, so I thought "why not?"). The road is now on fire, but I do not know if it will be permanent as my remaining dwarves will perish by the end of the season by leftover fire/lava, starvation/drought or depression, so I have to ask if anyone knows if coal constructions will ever disappear. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 20:25, 10 January 2009 (EST)

:It won't even burn. Don't try, you'll just be wasting time. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 02:31, 11 January 2009 (EST)

::I beg to differ as that is what I said happen in my previous (and long, sorry about that) post. My Coke Road caught on fire when magma spilled onto it, and never went out before I abandoned the fortress (I didn't feel like waiting for the remaining 5 dwarves to starve to death). --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 13:03, 11 January 2009 (EST)

:::I can confirm ever burning buildings. Had a 'ever brurning trade depot'. The traders refused though to use it. So I deconstructed it and got 2 every burning charchoals that are blocking the place for a new trade depot. Any one got a idea how to get dispose of those?
:::Flooding with more magma does not work...--[[User:Arni|Arni]] 19:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Rewrite - & "fuel" ==

"B" is for [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal#B|Bold]].

When I first read this important page as a newbie, I knew that In Real Life you could burn coal for fuel, and that coal was mined and commercially used as fuel, and that coke was from coal and used in steel production, and that charcoal burned hotter than wood and so was used for smelting, and that in the game you mined bituminous coal. These terms, combined with the previous version's use of the in-game term "refined coal" and the undefined term "fuel", conspired to absolutely confuse the hell outa me for both smelting and steel production.

Once I got some basic smelting going on my own, and then some steel made by trial and errour, it all made sense - but the point of a wiki page is to make sense ~''before''~ the trial and errour (there's enough of that in the game as is.) Questions and confusion in the forums only reinforced my feeling about this.

When I found the additional in-game term "fuel coal", the 5th "coal/fuel"-related term, I'd had enough, and decided something had to change. After seeking the advice of several wiki notables (thanks again!), this is the result.

Altho' a side-by-side history comparison shows a 99% rewrite, actually most of the information is the same, and many of the previous phrases and sentences still in place, just radically reformatted and re-arranged.

There is some repetition between the sub-sections - I felt this was justified since some users will only refer to the one sub-section they are concerned with. Yes, their mistake, but it's easily accounted for and not overly cumbersome, imo. And the fact that the game terms distinguish between charcoal and coke, and IRL they're very different, but are identical/interchangeable in game use - I felt that could not be overstated.

I hope - and believe - that I achieved the goals that others recommended - a clear and comprehensive article that stayed true to the confusing in-game terms without allowing them to confuse these explanations. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Change? ==

I've found that charcoal cannot be used for forging, and you can combine either 1 coke or 1 charcoal with lignite/bituminous coal to produce more coke. (unsigned by [[User:Morinon|Morinon]])

:Nope. Charcoal can still be used fine for forging instead of coke in 40d. Are you playing a mod? Have you tried forbidding all coke to force the use of charcoal? Making coke from lignite/bituminous coal is always done in the way you describe. --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 18:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== Opal need ==

trying produce coke from bitum, but result "Solon Udilmat, Woodcutter cancels Make Coke From Bituminous Coal: Needs black opal."
same for lignite but "Needs white opal"

i've try last edition of DF
:Your raws are corrupted - delete the contents of the "data/objects/" folder and restart the game (they'll be regenerated from what's in the "raw/objects" folder). If it's still wrong, then you'll have to regenerate your world and restart any fortress you may already have. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::rebuilding objects folder didn't help. files "before" and "after" are equals.

40d Talk:Refined coal

2010-01-07T19:58:35Z

Arni: /* Coke/Charcoal constructions + Magma = Permanent fire? */

Maybe the articles on charcoal and coke should be merged with this page on fuel since all three pages basically say the same thing. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 18:00, 22 November 2007 (EST)

== Starting things off ==

Somehow this needs to be adjusted to show that to kick start your smelter you need some coal... or is there some other way of getting from bituminous coal to coke? fan I use some other furnace to get started? (I have plenty of wood, "rock" and bituminous coal but no "coal" or magma).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:27, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:it already says "(fuel will be needed to power this at a normal smelter)" for the bituminous coal to coke reaction in the article. turn that wood into charcoal and use it to turn the bituminous coal to coke [[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:55, 8 January 2008 (EST)

::All right... someone at a different page said I needed '''coal''' and I couldn't find "just coal" mentioned ANYWHERE, hence my confusion.
::So I need to "process" wood to get "charcoal". Will see how I go, thanks.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:18, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Is wood burning a skill? ==

I cant seem to find it on the [[skill]] page. Either that or this one should be changed
:Wood Burner at the bottom of the Farmer section. It's there :) --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:02, 8 January 2008 (EST)
::Oops, my bad. Sorry --[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 17:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Block template ==

Over at [[Lignite]] there is a pretty little box which looks like:
{{Stone|name=Lignite|tile=*|color=#888
|uses =
* 2 [[coke]] at [[smelter]]
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as veins
|properties =
* Can [[ignite]]
* [[Economic stone]]
* [[Material value]] 1}}

It would be nice if there was one here too.

Secondly, what I would like to do on [[Lignite]] and [[Bituminous coal]] is have a pictorial formula which says:
l [[lignite]] + 1 [[coal]] = 2 [[coke]]
( it would be like :
{{key|l}}{{key|l}} + {{key|c}} = {{key|a}} but with pictures of the tiles instead of letters)

but I don't know how to do the tiles for lignite / coal / coke / charcoal.
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)

== Coke/Charcoal constructions + Magma = Permanent fire? ==

I always wondered if making a magma cistern out of Coke would create a massive, but permanent fire. The reasoning would be that coal burns in any form, magma is hot, but constructions are permanent and not destroyed by magma. In a failed attempt to create a permanent magma waterfall, some magma touched my coke road (I had no iron, but magma and plenty of bitimous coal, so I thought "why not?"). The road is now on fire, but I do not know if it will be permanent as my remaining dwarves will perish by the end of the season by leftover fire/lava, starvation/drought or depression, so I have to ask if anyone knows if coal constructions will ever disappear. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 20:25, 10 January 2009 (EST)

:It won't even burn. Don't try, you'll just be wasting time. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 02:31, 11 January 2009 (EST)

::I beg to differ as that is what I said happen in my previous (and long, sorry about that) post. My Coke Road caught on fire when magma spilled onto it, and never went out before I abandoned the fortress (I didn't feel like waiting for the remaining 5 dwarves to starve to death). --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 13:03, 11 January 2009 (EST)

:::I can confirm ever burning buildings. Had a 'ever brurning trade depot'. The traders refused though to use it. So I deconstructed it and got 2 every burning charchoals that are blocking the place for a new trade depot. Any one got a idea how to get dispose of those?
Flooding with more magma does not work...--[[User:Arni|Arni]] 19:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Rewrite - & "fuel" ==

"B" is for [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal#B|Bold]].

When I first read this important page as a newbie, I knew that In Real Life you could burn coal for fuel, and that coal was mined and commercially used as fuel, and that coke was from coal and used in steel production, and that charcoal burned hotter than wood and so was used for smelting, and that in the game you mined bituminous coal. These terms, combined with the previous version's use of the in-game term "refined coal" and the undefined term "fuel", conspired to absolutely confuse the hell outa me for both smelting and steel production.

Once I got some basic smelting going on my own, and then some steel made by trial and errour, it all made sense - but the point of a wiki page is to make sense ~''before''~ the trial and errour (there's enough of that in the game as is.) Questions and confusion in the forums only reinforced my feeling about this.

When I found the additional in-game term "fuel coal", the 5th "coal/fuel"-related term, I'd had enough, and decided something had to change. After seeking the advice of several wiki notables (thanks again!), this is the result.

Altho' a side-by-side history comparison shows a 99% rewrite, actually most of the information is the same, and many of the previous phrases and sentences still in place, just radically reformatted and re-arranged.

There is some repetition between the sub-sections - I felt this was justified since some users will only refer to the one sub-section they are concerned with. Yes, their mistake, but it's easily accounted for and not overly cumbersome, imo. And the fact that the game terms distinguish between charcoal and coke, and IRL they're very different, but are identical/interchangeable in game use - I felt that could not be overstated.

I hope - and believe - that I achieved the goals that others recommended - a clear and comprehensive article that stayed true to the confusing in-game terms without allowing them to confuse these explanations. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Change? ==

I've found that charcoal cannot be used for forging, and you can combine either 1 coke or 1 charcoal with lignite/bituminous coal to produce more coke. (unsigned by [[User:Morinon|Morinon]])

:Nope. Charcoal can still be used fine for forging instead of coke in 40d. Are you playing a mod? Have you tried forbidding all coke to force the use of charcoal? Making coke from lignite/bituminous coal is always done in the way you describe. --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 18:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== Opal need ==

trying produce coke from bitum, but result "Solon Udilmat, Woodcutter cancels Make Coke From Bituminous Coal: Needs black opal."
same for lignite but "Needs white opal"

i've try last edition of DF
:Your raws are corrupted - delete the contents of the "data/objects/" folder and restart the game (they'll be regenerated from what's in the "raw/objects" folder). If it's still wrong, then you'll have to regenerate your world and restart any fortress you may already have. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
::rebuilding objects folder didn't help. files "before" and "after" are equals.

40d Talk:Other weapon

2009-12-25T16:45:59Z

Arni: /* Bow */

==Previous discussion moved from stub-articles along with content now in this article:==
::::::::::::::''(by'' [[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 17:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)'')''

=== Blowgun ===
In the pre-Z level version, ive been attacked by batman wielding these. [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 00:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Where can you get darts for this weapon? [[User:Xaque|Xaque]] 19:33, 23 January 2009 (EST)

:Re-read the article. Darts cannot be manufactured in Fortress Mode. Might be able to find some on attackers if they're wielding blowguns and you wax 'em before they can use up their ammo. As far as Adventure Mode, my guess would be the same--you have to find them on creatures wielding blowguns. [[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 02:23, 24 January 2009 (EST)

=== Bow ===

Can bows be used in weapon traps? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:53, 11 December 2007 (EST)

:I guess this still needs verification.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 18:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

::The article "Weapon" states that bows can be used in weapon traps. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 20:25, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

:::Thanks.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 02:08, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
[[File:dwarfwithbow.jpg|thumbnail]]
Dwarves can use bows! At least when they are trained by goblins to use them against you. I think therefore it's rather something cultural that does them forbid to use bows than their fingers.
--[[User:Arni|Arni]] 16:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Large dagger ===

Can be used by anyone? Are you sure about this, or does that only refer to Adventure Mode. I've had almost a dozen daggers in my Fortress in the past, and I can't get any of my dwarves to use them. --[[User:Thanatos|Thanatos]] 19:54, 18 December 2007

:Well, dwarves are theoretically able to learn the skill, since a dwarf adventurer can, but you can't make your fortress mode dwarves pick one up and train with it. Best just to trade them away or melt them down. --[[User:Mzbundifund|Mzbundifund]] 20:01, 18 December 2007

=== Pike ===

As I said a lot of times now, I've managed to wield a pike with a dwarven adventurer in 23a. This need to be verified, maybe there's a strenght requirement. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:34, 10 December 2007 (EST)
: You CAN wield it as a dwarf in AM, but not in DM, because they are fobidden to do so by the game code. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 18:40, 10 December 2007 (EST)
====Pikeman skill VS Spearman skill====
I'm not going to start or create an edit war here. If you ([[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]]) are so sure you're right, then prove it. If you are indeed right I'll be happy to oblige you. Otherwise, I'm going to edit it back again if you can't answer to this in about a few days...
:I also think that whatever happens, it should be pointed out that the aforementioned pikeman skill is only used in adventurer mode since dwarves can't wield it in fortress mode. If we're going to make this weapon entry fit with all the others, readers will assume that the skill written there is the fortress mode skill. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:06, 11 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:Dwarffortpike.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
Is this enough to prove you wrong? Next time do some simple research before you go saying that shit doesnt exist. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 01:58, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Sorry... I'm not the one who's agressive about it here. Obviously, we don't all have a degree in Dwarf Fortressology like ''you'' do... *rolls eyes* --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 02:29, 11 December 2007 (EST)
So what about a halberd and a pike? I've seen goblins wielding shields and halberds, I don't know about pikes. I always thought a halberd was a pike with an axe on the end. --Gotthard 12:39, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Halberds are shorter than pikes, about 6ft in real life. Pikes are closer to 18ft. In the raws it says it requires 2 hands, though I don;t know about real life. I don;t know what's happening with those goblins, maybe they are mutant 3 armed ones? [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 06:07, 1 December 2008 (EST)

====Pikedwarf in Fortress Mode====
[[Image:Pikedwarf.PNG|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
I think I've found a bug. There's a pikedwarf in one of my coffins. I've never trained a pikedwarf, and I don't think I can. Moreover, I've checked my game log and it has no record of this person dying. Is it possible that Dwarven guards of merchant trains can be pikedwarfs? Maybe one of them got caught and killed in a siege and ended up in my mortuary.
[[User:Revan|Revan]] 15:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)

:Probably not what happened, but it could always be possible that pikemen dwarves could immigrate to your fort. --[[User:Myroc|Myroc]] 15:47, 16 February 2009 (EST)

::Possibly a member of a human caravan. Dwarves belonging to other civs still get buried in your coffins. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::More likely a kidnapped child who returned as attacker with goblins. They too end up in your coffins.--[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

=== Whip ===
So how does the game ensure that a dwarf can't wear a whip in fortress mode? --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 23:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Maul ==

A maul is a <s>very</s>, very large, heavy hammer...

(and actually a term for sledge hammer))
And a "spear" is a term for something you go snorkling with to catch little fishies. Just as there are axes for work and there are battle axes, there are mauls for work and there are mauls for battle. I've always pictured a "battle maul" as something MUCH different from a sledge hammer, even tho' when you use a "maul and wedge" (to split wood), you're (probably) just using a generic sledge from the hardware store. Just as a war hammer is much bigger than a claw hammer (perhaps starting at the size of a one-handed sledge, or bigger), a maul is another step up from that - cartoony big, looking more like a section of a treetrunk (banded and decorated, or not) on a proportionally large handle. In Conan the Barbarian, one of the bad guys had a maul, one that he missed <s>Arnold</s> Conan with and broke a huge <s>plaster</s> stone column in <s>James Earl Jones'</s> Thulsa Doom's lair. To me, that's a "maul", in the combat sense. Meh.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Flail ==
One of my macedwarf champions is merrily holding a flail. This leads me to suspect that dwarves can use the weapon despite it not being listed so, here. :D
--[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:Checked all my macedwarves, and a few of them are using flails. GASP! --[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Other weapon

2009-12-25T16:45:33Z

Arni: /* Bow */

==Previous discussion moved from stub-articles along with content now in this article:==
::::::::::::::''(by'' [[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 17:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)'')''

=== Blowgun ===
In the pre-Z level version, ive been attacked by batman wielding these. [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 00:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Where can you get darts for this weapon? [[User:Xaque|Xaque]] 19:33, 23 January 2009 (EST)

:Re-read the article. Darts cannot be manufactured in Fortress Mode. Might be able to find some on attackers if they're wielding blowguns and you wax 'em before they can use up their ammo. As far as Adventure Mode, my guess would be the same--you have to find them on creatures wielding blowguns. [[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 02:23, 24 January 2009 (EST)

=== Bow ===

Can bows be used in weapon traps? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:53, 11 December 2007 (EST)

:I guess this still needs verification.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 18:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

::The article "Weapon" states that bows can be used in weapon traps. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 20:25, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

:::Thanks.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 02:08, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Dwarves can use bows! At least when they are trained by goblins to use them against you. I think therefore it's rather something cultural that does them forbid to use bows than their fingers. [[File:dwarfwithbow.jpg|thumbnail]]
--[[User:Arni|Arni]] 16:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Large dagger ===

Can be used by anyone? Are you sure about this, or does that only refer to Adventure Mode. I've had almost a dozen daggers in my Fortress in the past, and I can't get any of my dwarves to use them. --[[User:Thanatos|Thanatos]] 19:54, 18 December 2007

:Well, dwarves are theoretically able to learn the skill, since a dwarf adventurer can, but you can't make your fortress mode dwarves pick one up and train with it. Best just to trade them away or melt them down. --[[User:Mzbundifund|Mzbundifund]] 20:01, 18 December 2007

=== Pike ===

As I said a lot of times now, I've managed to wield a pike with a dwarven adventurer in 23a. This need to be verified, maybe there's a strenght requirement. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:34, 10 December 2007 (EST)
: You CAN wield it as a dwarf in AM, but not in DM, because they are fobidden to do so by the game code. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 18:40, 10 December 2007 (EST)
====Pikeman skill VS Spearman skill====
I'm not going to start or create an edit war here. If you ([[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]]) are so sure you're right, then prove it. If you are indeed right I'll be happy to oblige you. Otherwise, I'm going to edit it back again if you can't answer to this in about a few days...
:I also think that whatever happens, it should be pointed out that the aforementioned pikeman skill is only used in adventurer mode since dwarves can't wield it in fortress mode. If we're going to make this weapon entry fit with all the others, readers will assume that the skill written there is the fortress mode skill. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:06, 11 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:Dwarffortpike.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
Is this enough to prove you wrong? Next time do some simple research before you go saying that shit doesnt exist. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 01:58, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Sorry... I'm not the one who's agressive about it here. Obviously, we don't all have a degree in Dwarf Fortressology like ''you'' do... *rolls eyes* --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 02:29, 11 December 2007 (EST)
So what about a halberd and a pike? I've seen goblins wielding shields and halberds, I don't know about pikes. I always thought a halberd was a pike with an axe on the end. --Gotthard 12:39, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Halberds are shorter than pikes, about 6ft in real life. Pikes are closer to 18ft. In the raws it says it requires 2 hands, though I don;t know about real life. I don;t know what's happening with those goblins, maybe they are mutant 3 armed ones? [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 06:07, 1 December 2008 (EST)

====Pikedwarf in Fortress Mode====
[[Image:Pikedwarf.PNG|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
I think I've found a bug. There's a pikedwarf in one of my coffins. I've never trained a pikedwarf, and I don't think I can. Moreover, I've checked my game log and it has no record of this person dying. Is it possible that Dwarven guards of merchant trains can be pikedwarfs? Maybe one of them got caught and killed in a siege and ended up in my mortuary.
[[User:Revan|Revan]] 15:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)

:Probably not what happened, but it could always be possible that pikemen dwarves could immigrate to your fort. --[[User:Myroc|Myroc]] 15:47, 16 February 2009 (EST)

::Possibly a member of a human caravan. Dwarves belonging to other civs still get buried in your coffins. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::More likely a kidnapped child who returned as attacker with goblins. They too end up in your coffins.--[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

=== Whip ===
So how does the game ensure that a dwarf can't wear a whip in fortress mode? --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 23:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Maul ==

A maul is a <s>very</s>, very large, heavy hammer...

(and actually a term for sledge hammer))
And a "spear" is a term for something you go snorkling with to catch little fishies. Just as there are axes for work and there are battle axes, there are mauls for work and there are mauls for battle. I've always pictured a "battle maul" as something MUCH different from a sledge hammer, even tho' when you use a "maul and wedge" (to split wood), you're (probably) just using a generic sledge from the hardware store. Just as a war hammer is much bigger than a claw hammer (perhaps starting at the size of a one-handed sledge, or bigger), a maul is another step up from that - cartoony big, looking more like a section of a treetrunk (banded and decorated, or not) on a proportionally large handle. In Conan the Barbarian, one of the bad guys had a maul, one that he missed <s>Arnold</s> Conan with and broke a huge <s>plaster</s> stone column in <s>James Earl Jones'</s> Thulsa Doom's lair. To me, that's a "maul", in the combat sense. Meh.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Flail ==
One of my macedwarf champions is merrily holding a flail. This leads me to suspect that dwarves can use the weapon despite it not being listed so, here. :D
--[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:Checked all my macedwarves, and a few of them are using flails. GASP! --[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Other weapon

2009-12-25T16:45:04Z

Arni: /* Bow */

==Previous discussion moved from stub-articles along with content now in this article:==
::::::::::::::''(by'' [[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 17:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)'')''

=== Blowgun ===
In the pre-Z level version, ive been attacked by batman wielding these. [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 00:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Where can you get darts for this weapon? [[User:Xaque|Xaque]] 19:33, 23 January 2009 (EST)

:Re-read the article. Darts cannot be manufactured in Fortress Mode. Might be able to find some on attackers if they're wielding blowguns and you wax 'em before they can use up their ammo. As far as Adventure Mode, my guess would be the same--you have to find them on creatures wielding blowguns. [[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 02:23, 24 January 2009 (EST)

=== Bow ===

Can bows be used in weapon traps? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:53, 11 December 2007 (EST)

:I guess this still needs verification.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 18:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

::The article "Weapon" states that bows can be used in weapon traps. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 20:25, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

:::Thanks.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 02:08, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Dwarves can use bows! At least when they are trained by goblins to use them against you. I think therefore it's rather something cultural that does them forbid to use bows than their fingers. [[File:dwarfwithbow.jpg|thumbnail]]

=== Large dagger ===

Can be used by anyone? Are you sure about this, or does that only refer to Adventure Mode. I've had almost a dozen daggers in my Fortress in the past, and I can't get any of my dwarves to use them. --[[User:Thanatos|Thanatos]] 19:54, 18 December 2007

:Well, dwarves are theoretically able to learn the skill, since a dwarf adventurer can, but you can't make your fortress mode dwarves pick one up and train with it. Best just to trade them away or melt them down. --[[User:Mzbundifund|Mzbundifund]] 20:01, 18 December 2007

=== Pike ===

As I said a lot of times now, I've managed to wield a pike with a dwarven adventurer in 23a. This need to be verified, maybe there's a strenght requirement. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:34, 10 December 2007 (EST)
: You CAN wield it as a dwarf in AM, but not in DM, because they are fobidden to do so by the game code. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 18:40, 10 December 2007 (EST)
====Pikeman skill VS Spearman skill====
I'm not going to start or create an edit war here. If you ([[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]]) are so sure you're right, then prove it. If you are indeed right I'll be happy to oblige you. Otherwise, I'm going to edit it back again if you can't answer to this in about a few days...
:I also think that whatever happens, it should be pointed out that the aforementioned pikeman skill is only used in adventurer mode since dwarves can't wield it in fortress mode. If we're going to make this weapon entry fit with all the others, readers will assume that the skill written there is the fortress mode skill. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:06, 11 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:Dwarffortpike.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
Is this enough to prove you wrong? Next time do some simple research before you go saying that shit doesnt exist. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 01:58, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Sorry... I'm not the one who's agressive about it here. Obviously, we don't all have a degree in Dwarf Fortressology like ''you'' do... *rolls eyes* --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 02:29, 11 December 2007 (EST)
So what about a halberd and a pike? I've seen goblins wielding shields and halberds, I don't know about pikes. I always thought a halberd was a pike with an axe on the end. --Gotthard 12:39, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Halberds are shorter than pikes, about 6ft in real life. Pikes are closer to 18ft. In the raws it says it requires 2 hands, though I don;t know about real life. I don;t know what's happening with those goblins, maybe they are mutant 3 armed ones? [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 06:07, 1 December 2008 (EST)

====Pikedwarf in Fortress Mode====
[[Image:Pikedwarf.PNG|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
I think I've found a bug. There's a pikedwarf in one of my coffins. I've never trained a pikedwarf, and I don't think I can. Moreover, I've checked my game log and it has no record of this person dying. Is it possible that Dwarven guards of merchant trains can be pikedwarfs? Maybe one of them got caught and killed in a siege and ended up in my mortuary.
[[User:Revan|Revan]] 15:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)

:Probably not what happened, but it could always be possible that pikemen dwarves could immigrate to your fort. --[[User:Myroc|Myroc]] 15:47, 16 February 2009 (EST)

::Possibly a member of a human caravan. Dwarves belonging to other civs still get buried in your coffins. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::More likely a kidnapped child who returned as attacker with goblins. They too end up in your coffins.--[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

=== Whip ===
So how does the game ensure that a dwarf can't wear a whip in fortress mode? --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 23:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Maul ==

A maul is a <s>very</s>, very large, heavy hammer...

(and actually a term for sledge hammer))
And a "spear" is a term for something you go snorkling with to catch little fishies. Just as there are axes for work and there are battle axes, there are mauls for work and there are mauls for battle. I've always pictured a "battle maul" as something MUCH different from a sledge hammer, even tho' when you use a "maul and wedge" (to split wood), you're (probably) just using a generic sledge from the hardware store. Just as a war hammer is much bigger than a claw hammer (perhaps starting at the size of a one-handed sledge, or bigger), a maul is another step up from that - cartoony big, looking more like a section of a treetrunk (banded and decorated, or not) on a proportionally large handle. In Conan the Barbarian, one of the bad guys had a maul, one that he missed <s>Arnold</s> Conan with and broke a huge <s>plaster</s> stone column in <s>James Earl Jones'</s> Thulsa Doom's lair. To me, that's a "maul", in the combat sense. Meh.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Flail ==
One of my macedwarf champions is merrily holding a flail. This leads me to suspect that dwarves can use the weapon despite it not being listed so, here. :D
--[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:Checked all my macedwarves, and a few of them are using flails. GASP! --[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

File:Dwarfwithbow.jpg

2009-12-25T16:41:36Z

Arni: A dwarf(guard) leading a goblin anbush. He wields a bow and wears dwarf-usable items.

A dwarf(guard) leading a goblin anbush. He wields a bow and wears dwarf-usable items.

40d Talk:Children

2009-12-09T17:39:05Z

Arni: /* babies can swim? */

Dwarves will get married? I thought only immigrants could be married, when the arive at the fort?

– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Doler 12|Doler 12]]

Dunno about that! but I did rewrite the article. Hope the formal wikipedia style isn't too far out of whack here, [[User talk:GarrieIrons|slap me]] if I need it.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:19, 5 February 2008 (EST)

:Dwarves can get married at any point, if they like each other enough. Does anyone know if dwarves will ever not 'forgo any formal arrangements'? Someone better than me should write a marriage page. --[[User:Niaba|Niaba]] 12:27, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

::see [[Marriage]] [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 13:16, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

== out of date ==

relationships and marriage has been added recently, so this ought to updated to reflect the new, less mysterious process.

== How many children again? ==
Hmmm 25 children and only 10 dwarves... Maybe unleashing that dragon was a bad idea.
:You think that's bad? 241 dwarves, 70 children. I'm making an entire village outside for all of them... when you hit the pop cap, they keep having babies (until 100 if the init.txt is unedited), but you get no actual labor from migrants. It's getting exceptionally annoying in here... 12 years in game, and only 2 children have graduated to peasants. --Gotthard 12:11, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== kids and alcohol ==

gotta love em when they lift up the whole 56 weight barrel... and thats from as young at two as well ^_^ [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 08:53, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
:The newborns in my fortress "need alcohol to get through the working day". Must come from their mum the Mayor being still on active duty and having one baby per year every year of the fortress so far. Kinda sucks that my most reliable means of "alcohol production" so far is trading in "narrow giant cave spider silk socks (600)" for sly grog!09:07, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
::Actually the quote from the (I guess toddler) is "She needs alcohol to get through the working day and has gone without a drink for far, far too long"![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:09, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

==child abuse?==

my child has a broken upper leg... idk how it happened :( my guess is one of its parents hit it really hard, or one of them sat/laid on top of it in bed - that family often has all four of them in the same bed. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 08:48, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

<nowiki>:(</nowiki> nobody wanted to feed the kid, or bring it water, so it went melancholy within a year. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 10:15, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

== Noble children don't become nobles right? ==

I was amazed a noble gave birth. I want princesses and princes, even though they will have beards.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 21:17, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
:I've not seen it personally, but the exact opposite is said to be the case. Due to a dwarf's value being set in an economy by how much work they do and their children's value supposedly being a function of both their parent's until they come of age, Noble children end up being paupers since their parents don't need to do any work/get stuff for free for merely being nobles. --[[User:Kyace|Kyace]] 07:05, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

== Happy to be free ==

I recently had a kidnapper make off with a baby (despite the only entrance to my fort being cage-trapped - NB. it is not safe for baby-carrying women to be Mechanics!), and the child in question currently has a single thought: "She is happy to be free.". Free from the oppressive shackles of dwarven society, I guess. Perhaps the goblins make more toys than I do! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 15:22, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

: Maybe it's just a "joke" from Toady. Or maybe the baby manage to escape the goblin's lair, but it seems strange in the current version (38c).

:: I just had one kidnapped and was expecting the parents to get a negative thought. (didn't see one) And I also saw the happy to be free bit under the child. When i zoomed to it though it showed the spot where the kidnapping took place. Probably a bug.--[[User:Silver|Silver]] 15:41, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

:I actually believe this is a way to stabilize the child's mood so it doesn't abruptly throw a tantrum when kidnapped and break something. Happy to be free is an outstandingly powerful happy thought (+1000 where ecstatic is +50), usually used to give people a break from unhappy prisoners getting out of jail. By tacking on happy to be free, Toady is essentially locking in the child's mood so it behaves predictably helplessly when kidnapped. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 17:20, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

::I noticed the "happy to be free" thought in a baby that was actually freed after its kidnapper was taken down by dogs. (It happened automatically once the bag was dropped.) Maybe generating the happy thought before it gets out of the bag is just a bug.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:09, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== Child production ==

Hmm, seems that idle dwarves gave birth to more baby than others. I've got a nervous system-injured dwarf that do nothing else that wander in the meeting hall, and she have 4 children. It should be related to the relationships, because this dwarf is competent in all the the relationship skills... anyone can confirm ? (sorry for my imperfect english) [[User:Timst|Timst]] 10:12, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
:I also have a nervous system-injured dwarf wounded from sparring who's beginning to have children. She's the only one so far with the injury or children. --[[User:FloodSpectre|FloodSpectre]] 17:28, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
:My duchess has had 6 children so far, and she sits around all day whining for more platinum items. My legendary siege builder had no children until she hit legendary (and now does nothing) and started to have kids. However, I have had kinds from my 2 miners (whi NEVER stop mining) but they seem to stick at one until it gets to child status, and then have another. --Gotthard 12:13, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
In my fort, I have a dwarf whom is a mother of 10, two are currently babies, she's one of my champions, but she's constantly on patrol, shooting goblins (76 kills), or practicing her marksdwarfship. She's never NOT pregnant, and spits out a dwarf every 3 seasons or so. --[[Special:Contributions/75.73.50.254|75.73.50.254]] 13:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Triplets... ==

Small fortress, 50 dwarves and suddenly "Tirist Dwarfeddwarves has given birth to triplets"... Of course it was military dwarfess... The article page says nothing about huge dwarven litters. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 11:19, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

== Unusual Family Structures ==

Playing in Adventure mode, I asked a child about his family. He told me about his grandmother, who moved to some city in some year, and later slew a wolf. Then the child added, "She is also my aunt." o.O --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 16:04, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
* It makes sense, but only if you consider inbreeding. And it makes a great deal of sense if you consider everything else. --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 15:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Children strenght ? ==

Are children -not only dwarves but all creatures- weaker than the adults ? It seem logical, but I've never read anything about it. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 04:23, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:The only way I can think to test it is to have your dwarves haul some heavy things (>2000Γ) to the depot and see if the children do it slower than the adults. My bet would be no, though if not, Toady's bound to fix it sooner or later.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:17, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:: Well, by strenght, I also meant damage resistance and etc... eg ; is a puppy less resistant than a dog ? Is a young giant eagle less deadly than a full-grown one ? [[User:Timst|Timst]] 18:27, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:::(jarred memory) Oh yes -- children are about 2/3s the size of adults (going by how much meat you get from butchering them), and size is a big factor in combat. So, yes, children are weaker.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:15, 2 November 2008 (EST)

:I don't think there is much difference, my chilren at 'superdwarvenly tough' seem to take as many iron bolts to die a their older relatives. I've had a couple of my children (of which I have 90+) fight off Goblins in hand-to-hand combat, but they won't engage unless they are caught. Frankly, overall children will end up BEING stronger, stat wise, due to talking all the time, compared with older folk who have jobs, but that is not inherent to children themselves. --Gotthard 22:57, 2 November 2008 (EST)

== "abandoned" baby ==

Can a baby die of starvation/thirst if the mother is injured and unable to retrieve them? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:02, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't believe babies receive food or drink at all (this leads to the "has not had a drink in far too long" message by the end of their infancy). It's possible that would change when the baby is not carried by the mother, but frankly, I'd be surprised.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:14, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== No Profession? ==

One of my children finally grew up to be a real, manly, dwarf farmer. Except that, despite having proficient skill in growing, he is considered a peasant. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 14:13, 11 November 2008 (EST)

:Hm. I remember in older versions my harvesting children, upon reaching adulthood, became farmers. Does he have Proficient or higher [[broker skills]]? Once his farming skill exceeds them, his profession ought to change.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:37, 11 November 2008 (EST)

::His highest broker skill is competent intimidation. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 14:59, 11 November 2008 (EST)

:::Confirmation, I have a peasant former-child who has novice grower and has not become a farmer. He has higher social skills of course, but that never interfered with the promotion of regular peasants to other professions afaik. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 10:58, 4 December 2008 (EST)

:::Update: said peasant became a grower when his Siege Operating reached novice... despite them both being the same level... I don't get it... --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 12:33, 4 December 2008 (EST)

:If you use Dwarf Manager to set a fast-levelling labour on a child, like Pump Operating, you can actually end up with a Legendary Pump Operator "peasant" who still has the peasant cyan colour and even flashes appropriately. My theory is that the game recalculates the appropriate label for a dwarf each time they gain a level in any skill, just in case it's changed. Hence, getting any further skills of any sort will readjust them appropriately. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 04:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== The bones of the young ==

How many bones do you get from a dwarven baby? This seems odd and I find no page for the "baby" dwarf here on the wiki so.. it's like this:

The baby and her mother were attacked by goblins. An arrow tore the babys hand clean off and then they killed the mother and the child. I always (f)orbid the dwarves from touching the corpses after they're buried since I suspect they will steal the bones and make bolts out of them. Now I noticed that for some reason in the baby grave there is 1 skull and 2 bones. Does the body give 1 bone and the hand 1? Or does the body give 2 and they never retrieved the hand?
Is this all a bug? [[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 03:48, 23 December 2008 (EDT)

:The current understanding is that young creatures have 2/3s the size (and therefore bones) of adults. Babies might be distinct from children, however -- 1/3 size? That would make dwarven babies size 2, 'cause adult dwarves are size 6.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:25, 22 December 2008 (EST)

::That makes sense. Thanks! - [[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 06:48, 23 December 2008 (EDT)

:As for forbidding the corpses, I don't believe this is necessary. Dwarves will only make bolts and totems and stuff out of "refuse" bones, whereas dwarves and pets are considered "graveyard" (or coffin) bones and will not be used. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 04:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Birthdays? ==

Is there any way to determine the birth date of a Dwarf, short of writing it down manually when a child is born? The information must be stored by the game, since infants do become children and then adults. I've been unable to find anything more specific that the relationship tags (''younger'' brother, ''oldest'' daughter, etc.), which are pretty vague.

And are children more likely to organize parties near their birthday? --[[User:Oddrune|Oddrune]] 15:30, 5 February 2009 (EST)

== Nudists ==

I took a look at the children in my fort and noticed that they are all '''NAKED'''. 
Perhaps it should be added to the article? The only things the children had in their inventory was mud, vomit and blood splatter. Which I guess means they hang around the barracks alot. --[[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 00:05, 8 February 2009 (CET)
:Actually, in the Middle Ages, children would often go naked; because clothes could cost more than a week's wages and children would just ruin them. --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 15:23 18 August 2009
:As far as I know only children born in your fort are all-time-nudists. Migrantchildren wear clothes. I wonder if they keep on being naked even after getting to adulthood.(would save the entire clothing industries. :D ) Never had fort for bout... 14 years though.
Best regards --[[User:Laranto|Laranto]] 23:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Can't change parent's jobs ==

When there's a dwarf you want to change a job on, but she's carrying a baby, you can't access her v->p menu.The baby's v->p menu takes precendence. Is this an oversight? [[User:Blargityblarg|Blargityblarg]] 09:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Press v again, this should switch to the mother instead of her baby. When there are multiple creatures layered on top of each other, pressing v should switch between them. Unless you are doing that and it is happening as you described. The Dwarfmanager utility can help you out here if you want to use it. --[[User:Smjjames|Smjjames]] 12:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== What the heck, children can be assigned jobs? ==
I don't know whether this is a fluke or what, but after using Dwarf Manager to assign all dwarves the masonry task to quickly complete something and after I did that, I noticed that two of the kids were working in the masonry shop. If you don't believe me, look at the screenshot. No idea if this is a bug/exploit or what. I'm not planning on keeping the jobs there on the kids once that quick project is done. I checked again after that workshop task was done and they apparently will do a workshop task but not the construct wall/floor. It most likely has to do with the coding that allow them to use a workshop when in a mood.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/smjjames/Untitled-6.png[/IMG]

I don't know how to get images up here properly though.--[[User:Smjjames|Smjjames]] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

:In my experience, children are basically just dwarves with their labour screen disabled and most of their labours disabled as well. So yes, you can make them do all kinds of things: Hauling, fishing, working in workshops, etc. Personally, I order them to do nothing but work the pumps until adulthood, so they'll be ready for speedy hauling duty by the time they grow up.

:Dwarf Manager is a memory hacking tool, and should be treated as such — i.e. while most of what it does is provide shortcuts to things you could do in-game, it's not going to prevent you from doing certain things that would indeed be considered cheating. You can set labours on pretty much anything friendly: Children, babies, nobles, heroes/champions (not that they'll do anything since you can't undraft them), etc. It simply doesn't discriminate between what you should and shouldn't be able to tweak. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 04:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== babies can swim? ==
i had a babie fall into some water, (well, the parents swam off without it), it will be find, drown for 1 second, be winded for a second, and then be fine again... [[User:Corhen|Corhen]] 01:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, they cant:[[File:babies-cant-swim.jpg]]--[[User:Arni|Arni]] 17:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

==Combat children?==
I recently discovered a thief attempting to enter my fortress. The adults, including the Ultra-Mighty, Superdwarvenly Tough mechanic leading a war dog to a rope, all ran away, but one of the nearby children took it upon themselves to take down the thief. The child quickly punctured the thief's heart with his bare hands (all that partying made him Extremely Strong) and walked away without a scratch. Can anyone else confirm that children may gladly enter battle as though they were in the military?--[[User:King of the Internet|King of the Internet]] 15:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:On that note, I begin my project of creating a holding cell for all children, and babies if possible, at the entrance to my fortress. They will be the first line of defense. [[User:Pariah|Pariah]] 19:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::A sort of "help yourself" offering to child-snatchers, no doubt. ;)
::Any creature (inc. civilians) will fight if cornered. (This is why [[carp]], who have no [PREDATOR] tag, become so vicious when encountered in murky pools - nowhere to run, so they bring it.) Same here - and since combat has a huge randomizing factor (a kitten can, in theory and practice, kill a dragon), and since children do nothing all day but sit around socializing and amassing huge attributes, we see cornered children casually heart-ripping gobbos, despite intuitive expectations.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Cliff-Chucking ==

I'm currently looking at a pair of babies whose mother died of thirst while melancholy (following a failed possession - damn you, silk-seeking ghosts!). Going by the wiki's words, I tried to keep them from going anywhere at first to make sure that they wouldn't throw themselves off a cliff, but I got quickly tired of that and let them roam freely, where they instead wandered as they pleased and partook of food and drink like any other (albeit very slow) dwarf. Anyone got any idea if the cliff-chucking fact is still true?

I'm running v0.28.181.40d16, for the record. [[Special:Contributions/24.22.239.156|24.22.239.156]] 19:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:I just killed off the mayor, since she was bugged for some reason, and both of her babies (Yes, she had TWO and seven more children in this fortress' nine year history) promptly threw themselves into the reservoir under my dining hall, requiring me to drain it so they can get the little carpers' bodies. So yes, I'd say that babies are still suicidal if their mother dies. --[[Special:Contributions/97.104.167.109|97.104.167.109]] 18:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== Giving birth to babies doesn't interrupt sleeping ==

I had a dwarf sleeping in her bed while it gave born to her baby. The dwarf
didn't wake up after this and the baby crawled away, i guess seeking for his father o.O.
But the baby didn't came far, the mother woke up a few minutes later and took her
baby into her arms. The mother is healthy and has no injuries. Happened with DF
v0.28.181.40d16 under linux.
[[Special:Contributions/95.33.103.233|95.33.103.233]] 06:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== Levers ==

Do children actually pull levers? In my fort, I set a Lever's workshop profile to only allow a Child and issued a "Pull the Lever" command, and it isn't being pulled. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 23:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== Adoption? ==

The article states that orphans are never adopted. However, I had both a child's father lost to a goblin ambush, and the mother eventually went insane and pitched herself off a cliff, and when I found the child later sleeping in someone else's bed, the description said that he had been "rescued" by Urist Somethingorother. Isn't that adoption, or something else? (Hmm... or considering he has a chronic spine injury, maybe he was a failed suicide??) --[[User:Jogar2|Jogar2]] 19:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:The rescued thought is given to any dwarf that is carried by a dwarf who takes them to a barracks or hospital bed with the "Recovered Wounded" job

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Arni: Proof, that babies cant swim, nor move under water (children can)

Proof, that babies cant swim, nor move under water (children can)

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Dwarves will get married? I thought only immigrants could be married, when the arive at the fort?

– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Doler 12|Doler 12]]

Dunno about that! but I did rewrite the article. Hope the formal wikipedia style isn't too far out of whack here, [[User talk:GarrieIrons|slap me]] if I need it.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:19, 5 February 2008 (EST)

:Dwarves can get married at any point, if they like each other enough. Does anyone know if dwarves will ever not 'forgo any formal arrangements'? Someone better than me should write a marriage page. --[[User:Niaba|Niaba]] 12:27, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

::see [[Marriage]] [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 13:16, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

== out of date ==

relationships and marriage has been added recently, so this ought to updated to reflect the new, less mysterious process.

== How many children again? ==
Hmmm 25 children and only 10 dwarves... Maybe unleashing that dragon was a bad idea.
:You think that's bad? 241 dwarves, 70 children. I'm making an entire village outside for all of them... when you hit the pop cap, they keep having babies (until 100 if the init.txt is unedited), but you get no actual labor from migrants. It's getting exceptionally annoying in here... 12 years in game, and only 2 children have graduated to peasants. --Gotthard 12:11, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== kids and alcohol ==

gotta love em when they lift up the whole 56 weight barrel... and thats from as young at two as well ^_^ [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 08:53, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
:The newborns in my fortress "need alcohol to get through the working day". Must come from their mum the Mayor being still on active duty and having one baby per year every year of the fortress so far. Kinda sucks that my most reliable means of "alcohol production" so far is trading in "narrow giant cave spider silk socks (600)" for sly grog!09:07, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
::Actually the quote from the (I guess toddler) is "She needs alcohol to get through the working day and has gone without a drink for far, far too long"![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:09, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

==child abuse?==

my child has a broken upper leg... idk how it happened :( my guess is one of its parents hit it really hard, or one of them sat/laid on top of it in bed - that family often has all four of them in the same bed. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 08:48, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

<nowiki>:(</nowiki> nobody wanted to feed the kid, or bring it water, so it went melancholy within a year. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 10:15, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

== Noble children don't become nobles right? ==

I was amazed a noble gave birth. I want princesses and princes, even though they will have beards.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 21:17, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
:I've not seen it personally, but the exact opposite is said to be the case. Due to a dwarf's value being set in an economy by how much work they do and their children's value supposedly being a function of both their parent's until they come of age, Noble children end up being paupers since their parents don't need to do any work/get stuff for free for merely being nobles. --[[User:Kyace|Kyace]] 07:05, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

== Happy to be free ==

I recently had a kidnapper make off with a baby (despite the only entrance to my fort being cage-trapped - NB. it is not safe for baby-carrying women to be Mechanics!), and the child in question currently has a single thought: "She is happy to be free.". Free from the oppressive shackles of dwarven society, I guess. Perhaps the goblins make more toys than I do! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 15:22, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

: Maybe it's just a "joke" from Toady. Or maybe the baby manage to escape the goblin's lair, but it seems strange in the current version (38c).

:: I just had one kidnapped and was expecting the parents to get a negative thought. (didn't see one) And I also saw the happy to be free bit under the child. When i zoomed to it though it showed the spot where the kidnapping took place. Probably a bug.--[[User:Silver|Silver]] 15:41, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

:I actually believe this is a way to stabilize the child's mood so it doesn't abruptly throw a tantrum when kidnapped and break something. Happy to be free is an outstandingly powerful happy thought (+1000 where ecstatic is +50), usually used to give people a break from unhappy prisoners getting out of jail. By tacking on happy to be free, Toady is essentially locking in the child's mood so it behaves predictably helplessly when kidnapped. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 17:20, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

::I noticed the "happy to be free" thought in a baby that was actually freed after its kidnapper was taken down by dogs. (It happened automatically once the bag was dropped.) Maybe generating the happy thought before it gets out of the bag is just a bug.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:09, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== Child production ==

Hmm, seems that idle dwarves gave birth to more baby than others. I've got a nervous system-injured dwarf that do nothing else that wander in the meeting hall, and she have 4 children. It should be related to the relationships, because this dwarf is competent in all the the relationship skills... anyone can confirm ? (sorry for my imperfect english) [[User:Timst|Timst]] 10:12, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
:I also have a nervous system-injured dwarf wounded from sparring who's beginning to have children. She's the only one so far with the injury or children. --[[User:FloodSpectre|FloodSpectre]] 17:28, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
:My duchess has had 6 children so far, and she sits around all day whining for more platinum items. My legendary siege builder had no children until she hit legendary (and now does nothing) and started to have kids. However, I have had kinds from my 2 miners (whi NEVER stop mining) but they seem to stick at one until it gets to child status, and then have another. --Gotthard 12:13, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
In my fort, I have a dwarf whom is a mother of 10, two are currently babies, she's one of my champions, but she's constantly on patrol, shooting goblins (76 kills), or practicing her marksdwarfship. She's never NOT pregnant, and spits out a dwarf every 3 seasons or so. --[[Special:Contributions/75.73.50.254|75.73.50.254]] 13:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

== Triplets... ==

Small fortress, 50 dwarves and suddenly "Tirist Dwarfeddwarves has given birth to triplets"... Of course it was military dwarfess... The article page says nothing about huge dwarven litters. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 11:19, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

== Unusual Family Structures ==

Playing in Adventure mode, I asked a child about his family. He told me about his grandmother, who moved to some city in some year, and later slew a wolf. Then the child added, "She is also my aunt." o.O --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 16:04, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
* It makes sense, but only if you consider inbreeding. And it makes a great deal of sense if you consider everything else. --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 15:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Children strenght ? ==

Are children -not only dwarves but all creatures- weaker than the adults ? It seem logical, but I've never read anything about it. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 04:23, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:The only way I can think to test it is to have your dwarves haul some heavy things (>2000Γ) to the depot and see if the children do it slower than the adults. My bet would be no, though if not, Toady's bound to fix it sooner or later.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:17, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:: Well, by strenght, I also meant damage resistance and etc... eg ; is a puppy less resistant than a dog ? Is a young giant eagle less deadly than a full-grown one ? [[User:Timst|Timst]] 18:27, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:::(jarred memory) Oh yes -- children are about 2/3s the size of adults (going by how much meat you get from butchering them), and size is a big factor in combat. So, yes, children are weaker.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:15, 2 November 2008 (EST)

:I don't think there is much difference, my chilren at 'superdwarvenly tough' seem to take as many iron bolts to die a their older relatives. I've had a couple of my children (of which I have 90+) fight off Goblins in hand-to-hand combat, but they won't engage unless they are caught. Frankly, overall children will end up BEING stronger, stat wise, due to talking all the time, compared with older folk who have jobs, but that is not inherent to children themselves. --Gotthard 22:57, 2 November 2008 (EST)

== "abandoned" baby ==

Can a baby die of starvation/thirst if the mother is injured and unable to retrieve them? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:02, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't believe babies receive food or drink at all (this leads to the "has not had a drink in far too long" message by the end of their infancy). It's possible that would change when the baby is not carried by the mother, but frankly, I'd be surprised.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:14, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== No Profession? ==

One of my children finally grew up to be a real, manly, dwarf farmer. Except that, despite having proficient skill in growing, he is considered a peasant. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 14:13, 11 November 2008 (EST)

:Hm. I remember in older versions my harvesting children, upon reaching adulthood, became farmers. Does he have Proficient or higher [[broker skills]]? Once his farming skill exceeds them, his profession ought to change.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:37, 11 November 2008 (EST)

::His highest broker skill is competent intimidation. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 14:59, 11 November 2008 (EST)

:::Confirmation, I have a peasant former-child who has novice grower and has not become a farmer. He has higher social skills of course, but that never interfered with the promotion of regular peasants to other professions afaik. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 10:58, 4 December 2008 (EST)

:::Update: said peasant became a grower when his Siege Operating reached novice... despite them both being the same level... I don't get it... --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 12:33, 4 December 2008 (EST)

:If you use Dwarf Manager to set a fast-levelling labour on a child, like Pump Operating, you can actually end up with a Legendary Pump Operator "peasant" who still has the peasant cyan colour and even flashes appropriately. My theory is that the game recalculates the appropriate label for a dwarf each time they gain a level in any skill, just in case it's changed. Hence, getting any further skills of any sort will readjust them appropriately. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 04:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== The bones of the young ==

How many bones do you get from a dwarven baby? This seems odd and I find no page for the "baby" dwarf here on the wiki so.. it's like this:

The baby and her mother were attacked by goblins. An arrow tore the babys hand clean off and then they killed the mother and the child. I always (f)orbid the dwarves from touching the corpses after they're buried since I suspect they will steal the bones and make bolts out of them. Now I noticed that for some reason in the baby grave there is 1 skull and 2 bones. Does the body give 1 bone and the hand 1? Or does the body give 2 and they never retrieved the hand?
Is this all a bug? [[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 03:48, 23 December 2008 (EDT)

:The current understanding is that young creatures have 2/3s the size (and therefore bones) of adults. Babies might be distinct from children, however -- 1/3 size? That would make dwarven babies size 2, 'cause adult dwarves are size 6.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:25, 22 December 2008 (EST)

::That makes sense. Thanks! - [[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 06:48, 23 December 2008 (EDT)

:As for forbidding the corpses, I don't believe this is necessary. Dwarves will only make bolts and totems and stuff out of "refuse" bones, whereas dwarves and pets are considered "graveyard" (or coffin) bones and will not be used. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 04:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Birthdays? ==

Is there any way to determine the birth date of a Dwarf, short of writing it down manually when a child is born? The information must be stored by the game, since infants do become children and then adults. I've been unable to find anything more specific that the relationship tags (''younger'' brother, ''oldest'' daughter, etc.), which are pretty vague.

And are children more likely to organize parties near their birthday? --[[User:Oddrune|Oddrune]] 15:30, 5 February 2009 (EST)

== Nudists ==

I took a look at the children in my fort and noticed that they are all '''NAKED'''. 
Perhaps it should be added to the article? The only things the children had in their inventory was mud, vomit and blood splatter. Which I guess means they hang around the barracks alot. --[[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 00:05, 8 February 2009 (CET)
:Actually, in the Middle Ages, children would often go naked; because clothes could cost more than a week's wages and children would just ruin them. --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 15:23 18 August 2009
:As far as I know only children born in your fort are all-time-nudists. Migrantchildren wear clothes. I wonder if they keep on being naked even after getting to adulthood.(would save the entire clothing industries. :D ) Never had fort for bout... 14 years though.
Best regards --[[User:Laranto|Laranto]] 23:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Can't change parent's jobs ==

When there's a dwarf you want to change a job on, but she's carrying a baby, you can't access her v->p menu.The baby's v->p menu takes precendence. Is this an oversight? [[User:Blargityblarg|Blargityblarg]] 09:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Press v again, this should switch to the mother instead of her baby. When there are multiple creatures layered on top of each other, pressing v should switch between them. Unless you are doing that and it is happening as you described. The Dwarfmanager utility can help you out here if you want to use it. --[[User:Smjjames|Smjjames]] 12:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== What the heck, children can be assigned jobs? ==
I don't know whether this is a fluke or what, but after using Dwarf Manager to assign all dwarves the masonry task to quickly complete something and after I did that, I noticed that two of the kids were working in the masonry shop. If you don't believe me, look at the screenshot. No idea if this is a bug/exploit or what. I'm not planning on keeping the jobs there on the kids once that quick project is done. I checked again after that workshop task was done and they apparently will do a workshop task but not the construct wall/floor. It most likely has to do with the coding that allow them to use a workshop when in a mood.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/smjjames/Untitled-6.png[/IMG]

I don't know how to get images up here properly though.--[[User:Smjjames|Smjjames]] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

:In my experience, children are basically just dwarves with their labour screen disabled and most of their labours disabled as well. So yes, you can make them do all kinds of things: Hauling, fishing, working in workshops, etc. Personally, I order them to do nothing but work the pumps until adulthood, so they'll be ready for speedy hauling duty by the time they grow up.

:Dwarf Manager is a memory hacking tool, and should be treated as such — i.e. while most of what it does is provide shortcuts to things you could do in-game, it's not going to prevent you from doing certain things that would indeed be considered cheating. You can set labours on pretty much anything friendly: Children, babies, nobles, heroes/champions (not that they'll do anything since you can't undraft them), etc. It simply doesn't discriminate between what you should and shouldn't be able to tweak. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 04:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== babies can swim? ==
i had a babie fall into some water, (well, the parents swam off without it), it will be find, drown for 1 second, be winded for a second, and then be fine again... [[User:Corhen|Corhen]] 01:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:No, they cant:
[[File:babies-cant-swim.jpg]]

==Combat children?==
I recently discovered a thief attempting to enter my fortress. The adults, including the Ultra-Mighty, Superdwarvenly Tough mechanic leading a war dog to a rope, all ran away, but one of the nearby children took it upon themselves to take down the thief. The child quickly punctured the thief's heart with his bare hands (all that partying made him Extremely Strong) and walked away without a scratch. Can anyone else confirm that children may gladly enter battle as though they were in the military?--[[User:King of the Internet|King of the Internet]] 15:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:On that note, I begin my project of creating a holding cell for all children, and babies if possible, at the entrance to my fortress. They will be the first line of defense. [[User:Pariah|Pariah]] 19:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::A sort of "help yourself" offering to child-snatchers, no doubt. ;)
::Any creature (inc. civilians) will fight if cornered. (This is why [[carp]], who have no [PREDATOR] tag, become so vicious when encountered in murky pools - nowhere to run, so they bring it.) Same here - and since combat has a huge randomizing factor (a kitten can, in theory and practice, kill a dragon), and since children do nothing all day but sit around socializing and amassing huge attributes, we see cornered children casually heart-ripping gobbos, despite intuitive expectations.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Cliff-Chucking ==

I'm currently looking at a pair of babies whose mother died of thirst while melancholy (following a failed possession - damn you, silk-seeking ghosts!). Going by the wiki's words, I tried to keep them from going anywhere at first to make sure that they wouldn't throw themselves off a cliff, but I got quickly tired of that and let them roam freely, where they instead wandered as they pleased and partook of food and drink like any other (albeit very slow) dwarf. Anyone got any idea if the cliff-chucking fact is still true?

I'm running v0.28.181.40d16, for the record. [[Special:Contributions/24.22.239.156|24.22.239.156]] 19:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:I just killed off the mayor, since she was bugged for some reason, and both of her babies (Yes, she had TWO and seven more children in this fortress' nine year history) promptly threw themselves into the reservoir under my dining hall, requiring me to drain it so they can get the little carpers' bodies. So yes, I'd say that babies are still suicidal if their mother dies. --[[Special:Contributions/97.104.167.109|97.104.167.109]] 18:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== Giving birth to babies doesn't interrupt sleeping ==

I had a dwarf sleeping in her bed while it gave born to her baby. The dwarf
didn't wake up after this and the baby crawled away, i guess seeking for his father o.O.
But the baby didn't came far, the mother woke up a few minutes later and took her
baby into her arms. The mother is healthy and has no injuries. Happened with DF
v0.28.181.40d16 under linux.
[[Special:Contributions/95.33.103.233|95.33.103.233]] 06:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== Levers ==

Do children actually pull levers? In my fort, I set a Lever's workshop profile to only allow a Child and issued a "Pull the Lever" command, and it isn't being pulled. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 23:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== Adoption? ==

The article states that orphans are never adopted. However, I had both a child's father lost to a goblin ambush, and the mother eventually went insane and pitched herself off a cliff, and when I found the child later sleeping in someone else's bed, the description said that he had been "rescued" by Urist Somethingorother. Isn't that adoption, or something else? (Hmm... or considering he has a chronic spine injury, maybe he was a failed suicide??) --[[User:Jogar2|Jogar2]] 19:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:The rescued thought is given to any dwarf that is carried by a dwarf who takes them to a barracks or hospital bed with the "Recovered Wounded" job

40d Talk:Cheating

2009-12-05T11:23:23Z

Arni: /* Breeding pets in the smelter */

How come losing redirects here? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:34, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:I assume the person who linked it was either trying to help people who keep losing (though cheating is not the advice I would personally give) or say that cheating = losing. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 20:37, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::I changed it. Now there's a full [[losing]] article for all of you losers out there. ;-) --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:58, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== TSearch summary ==

I decieded to break down the TSearch hacking DF video

#Open TSearch and Dwarf Fortress
#Make a new fortress and open Prepare carefuly
#Open the DF process in TSearch(dwarfort.exe)
#Press the search button(looks like a magnifying glass) and search 10 as 1 byte
#Turn all 7 dwarves into competent miners(changing blue number next to their names to 7)
#Press search next(magnifying glass with "..." next to it) and search 7(you will get from 7 to 14)
#Double click the static 7s(the ones that dont change) make sure that the first two variables(may be a letter or number) are the same(in one case, they weren't on mine)
#On the left press one of the 7s and hit freeze(looks like a craftsdrawf)

With this, you can make the dwarf proficient in everything.
To change points, follow numbers 1-3 and then:

#Change points to 94 by buying the dwarves skills
#Search 94 as 1 byte
#Change points to 22
#Search next 22 as 1 bit(you may get 1 to 2 results)
#Double click the static 22
#Change the type(far right) for 22 to 4bit(to prevent getting a glitched number)
#Then change points to whatever you want

Optionaly, change points to 10000 and freeze it. --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 19:23, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Verification with world gens especially with 40c ==

A lot of warnings in here say that the game will fail to load upon editing of a raw file. I have done that to make copper anvils and free adamantine, and I can play a world in its 2nd and 3rd year. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Krumlink|Krumlink]]
:Better safe than sorry. Gen'ing a new world is guaranteed to work, while other methods might not be. If you've got a method that works 100% of the time with any removal/addition/change to any raw file, document it fully and post it here so that others can test it and help you verify it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:20, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== Reaction Edits ==

Shouldn't we be teaching people to edit the reactions to make something as well as the functional code there? I had a difficult time with them back when i was learning them at first. [[User:Althalus|Althalus]] 18:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I added a note to the free adamantine portion of this page. If you put the [REAGENT] tag in there, it should be followed by the reagent details. Removing the tag potentially makes it less confusing. Of course I could just be an overzealous n00b to modding. [[User:IceDragon XxX|IceDragon XxX]] 19:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== Verification of Slower frame rate from speed modding ==

I've noticed this myself -- the culprit, I suspect, is dwarves calling the path function much more often as they complete jobs far more quickly than normal. Anyone else know a way to verify my supposition conclusively, or to test it, so it can be included in the main page? [[Special:Contributions/24.147.242.72|24.147.242.72]] 10:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moved River Freeze Cheat ==

Reason: init file modifications are more like game mechanics than raw editing. Now in "exploits" (though the mechanics of save-scumming aren't entirely covered by init.txt, so they stayed) [[Special:Contributions/71.230.249.145|71.230.249.145]] 22:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Problems with Creature Modding Described ==
I'm kind of a n00b to both DF and this wiki so please don't shoot me if this is the wrong place:
The creature edits in the article don't seem to work. I tried modding horses to drop shells on death as described, and it failed. Rather epically. Instead of dropping shells, when the creature was slaughtered it seemed to vanish. No bones, no meat, no fat, nothing. And no shells. I did this by copying the line of code given [ITEMCORPSE:SHELL:NO_SUBTYPE:TURTLE:TURTLE] into the domestic creatures txt file under [CREATURE:HORSE]. I also tried to improvise a shell reaction using the adamantine reaction in the article, but no dice. That one might have been my fault though.

== Breeding pets in the smelter ==

Hey guys. I've tried to get some pets with the smelter: 
 
[REACTION:GETPETS] 
[NAME:ask Armok for some small pets] 
[SMELTER] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:RAT] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:LIZARD] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:TURTLE] 
[PRODUCT:100:2:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:HEDGEHOG] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:CHIPMUNK] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:SQUIRREL_GRAY] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:SQUIRREL_RED] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_BLUEJAY] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_CARDINAL] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_GRACKLE] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_ORIOLE] 
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_RW_BLACKBIRD] 

But it's not quite working as I hoped. It only creates '''boiling''' leather that '''freezes''' the Dorf to death, that used the smelter before (even if he makes a run for it) 
Maybe anyone sees what I did wrong? --[[User:Arni|Arni]] 11:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Cheating

2009-12-05T11:22:39Z

Arni: /* Breeding pets in the smelter */ new section

How come losing redirects here? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:34, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:I assume the person who linked it was either trying to help people who keep losing (though cheating is not the advice I would personally give) or say that cheating = losing. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 20:37, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::I changed it. Now there's a full [[losing]] article for all of you losers out there. ;-) --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:58, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== TSearch summary ==

I decieded to break down the TSearch hacking DF video

#Open TSearch and Dwarf Fortress
#Make a new fortress and open Prepare carefuly
#Open the DF process in TSearch(dwarfort.exe)
#Press the search button(looks like a magnifying glass) and search 10 as 1 byte
#Turn all 7 dwarves into competent miners(changing blue number next to their names to 7)
#Press search next(magnifying glass with "..." next to it) and search 7(you will get from 7 to 14)
#Double click the static 7s(the ones that dont change) make sure that the first two variables(may be a letter or number) are the same(in one case, they weren't on mine)
#On the left press one of the 7s and hit freeze(looks like a craftsdrawf)

With this, you can make the dwarf proficient in everything.
To change points, follow numbers 1-3 and then:

#Change points to 94 by buying the dwarves skills
#Search 94 as 1 byte
#Change points to 22
#Search next 22 as 1 bit(you may get 1 to 2 results)
#Double click the static 22
#Change the type(far right) for 22 to 4bit(to prevent getting a glitched number)
#Then change points to whatever you want

Optionaly, change points to 10000 and freeze it. --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 19:23, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Verification with world gens especially with 40c ==

A lot of warnings in here say that the game will fail to load upon editing of a raw file. I have done that to make copper anvils and free adamantine, and I can play a world in its 2nd and 3rd year. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Krumlink|Krumlink]]
:Better safe than sorry. Gen'ing a new world is guaranteed to work, while other methods might not be. If you've got a method that works 100% of the time with any removal/addition/change to any raw file, document it fully and post it here so that others can test it and help you verify it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:20, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== Reaction Edits ==

Shouldn't we be teaching people to edit the reactions to make something as well as the functional code there? I had a difficult time with them back when i was learning them at first. [[User:Althalus|Althalus]] 18:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I added a note to the free adamantine portion of this page. If you put the [REAGENT] tag in there, it should be followed by the reagent details. Removing the tag potentially makes it less confusing. Of course I could just be an overzealous n00b to modding. [[User:IceDragon XxX|IceDragon XxX]] 19:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== Verification of Slower frame rate from speed modding ==

I've noticed this myself -- the culprit, I suspect, is dwarves calling the path function much more often as they complete jobs far more quickly than normal. Anyone else know a way to verify my supposition conclusively, or to test it, so it can be included in the main page? [[Special:Contributions/24.147.242.72|24.147.242.72]] 10:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Moved River Freeze Cheat ==

Reason: init file modifications are more like game mechanics than raw editing. Now in "exploits" (though the mechanics of save-scumming aren't entirely covered by init.txt, so they stayed) [[Special:Contributions/71.230.249.145|71.230.249.145]] 22:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Problems with Creature Modding Described ==
I'm kind of a n00b to both DF and this wiki so please don't shoot me if this is the wrong place:
The creature edits in the article don't seem to work. I tried modding horses to drop shells on death as described, and it failed. Rather epically. Instead of dropping shells, when the creature was slaughtered it seemed to vanish. No bones, no meat, no fat, nothing. And no shells. I did this by copying the line of code given [ITEMCORPSE:SHELL:NO_SUBTYPE:TURTLE:TURTLE] into the domestic creatures txt file under [CREATURE:HORSE]. I also tried to improvise a shell reaction using the adamantine reaction in the article, but no dice. That one might have been my fault though.

== Breeding pets in the smelter ==

Hey guys. I've tried to get some pets with the smelter:

[REACTION:GETPETS]
[NAME:ask Armok for some small pets]
[SMELTER]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:RAT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:LIZARD]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:TURTLE]
[PRODUCT:100:2:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:HEDGEHOG]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:CHIPMUNK]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:SQUIRREL_GRAY]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:SQUIRREL_RED]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_BLUEJAY]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_CARDINAL]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_GRACKLE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_ORIOLE]
[PRODUCT:100:1:PET:NO_SUBTYPE:CREATURE:BIRD_RW_BLACKBIRD]

But it's not quite working as I hoped. It only creates '''boiling''' leather that '''freezes''' the Dorf to death, that used the smelter before (even if he makes a run for it)
Maybe anyone sees what I did wrong? --[[User:Arni|Arni]] 11:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2009-10-17T19:17:22Z

Arni: /* Glassmaker */

== Detailed strange mood mechanics ==
[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=35257.msg545835#msg545835 see post] [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:& updated to include more/all of same. Also re-organized presentation to better fit expanded sub-sections.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 13:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:Now that we know so much about the mechanics of strange moods, what do you all think about moving that section to the bottom and protecting it with a "massive spoilers" warning the way [[thought|thoughts]] are? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::Works for me 100%. It would require a slight rewording/reworking of the "skills & workshops" subsection, for overall flow, perhaps splitting that info into the obvious and the not-so-obvious, to bridge the info leading into the "demands" subsection. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 20:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:::As long as it mentions that it has spoilers its perfect--[[User:Loganis|Loganis]] 20:41, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== misc ==
Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)
==Glassmaker==
I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:: I just had the same problem. I had a glass maker who wouldn't take over a magma glass furnace. Since I'm creating a glass fortress and had a mess of glass orders piled up, I thought that might have confused the AI and I built 2 more magma glass furnaces. No dice, he didn't want them. After reading this page I decided to create a normal glass furnace. He snapped it up as soon as it was built. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 04:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)
::I had the exact same experience as [[Alkyon]], namely I had lots of magma glass furnaces but they wanted a normal one. Anybody else confirm what [[User:Digger|Digger]] has experienced?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This has been observed countless times with magma forges vs standard forges - no reason to expect it should be any diff w/ glass furnaces.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::In my experience (all with 40d), all of my metalsmiths claim my magma forges (I always deconstruct the non-magma ones), but all of my glassmakers seem to insist on non-magma glass furnaces, forcing me to build one for them and then remember to deconstruct it after the mood completes (so my manager doesn't start allocating fuel-consuming glassmaking tasks to it). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 19:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I can verify that glassmakers refuse to use magma glass furnaces, but will claim non-magma ones. I had 2 glassmakers, the first one died because he did not find a non-magma glass furnace, the second one refused as well to use the magma one, so i built him a non-magma-furnace which he instantly claimed. --[[User:Arni|Arni]]

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Same thing happened to one of my lenegdary dwarves. He then went berserk in my legendary dining room.. in front of my crossbow champions. Blood ensued. And now it has happened again, my hard trained master glassmaker just stands in the meeting zone flashing purple excl. sign, despite the fact that magma glass furnace is up and running. Doh. --[[User:Alpha|Alpha]] 15:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:And an update... this is pretty stupid. I've decided to build a regular glass furnace, just to see what happens, and guess what, my glassmaker happily proceeded to claim it and made me a ''Lushutilun Othornoshtath, Guilthaled the Erased Devourer'', a green glass statue. Neat-o. --[[User:Alpha|Alpha]] 16:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can confirm this bug. I just had this happen to me too. I had three fully functional glass magma furnaces and he just stood in the middle of my meeting area. I went and built a regular glass furnace and he ran off and claimed it. Weird bug. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 04:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Its not a bug, its a feature. --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 13:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

::It was an accident, the stark raving mad ones wander around aimlessly, regardless of Z- levels. --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 12:53, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort and i used it to create a gear assembly in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
: weapon traps! --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 12:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:: FWIW, that might be a more general answer for artifact items... I had a Weaponsmith dwarf go into a strange mood and create a lead warhammer (Yes, there was plenty of steel and iron around, but this dwarf likes lead, I guess). It can't be equipped as a weapon (lead isn't a valid material type normally for constructing weapons) but I can put it into a weapons trap. Which... is basically the only thing I can do with this 65000* artifact... -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually, artifact equipment can be used, it just requires a "hero" level dwarf or higher. However, for the nonstandard material weapons and armor you may do well to forbid them so that they're not used. The actual effectiveness of odd material artifacts is supposedly lower than that of decent iron or steel equipment, and artifact equipment cannot be unequipped once a dwarf decides to use it. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 15:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:Build your artifact mechanism into a really, really, really wonderful well. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 11:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)
::A bit late, but building an artifact mechanism into a [[lever]] should allow your dwarves to admire it (in a sculpture garden, they'll admire "a completely sublime tastefully arranged Trap lately". --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

: I just had a Soap Maker (his only skill, a fresh immigrant) get possessed. He took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop and with an obsidian stone, 3x turtle shells and a giant cave spider silk cloth and made a turtle shell toy boat. --[[User:Cal|Cal]] 01:32, 20 April 2009 (CDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

== Furnace Operator ==

Apparently furnace operator is no longer a mood skill as of df 28 181 40d. I just had a expert furnace operator take over a Craftdwarf's Workshop and become a legendary stonecrafter. [[User:Otherdwarf|Otherdwarf]] 10:26, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:I had one take over a mason's workshop, I would guess that Furnace Operator is treating like Engraver or Miner. I'm kind of disappointed, I was hoping he'd churn out an artifact coke or something.[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 13:03, 14 November 2008 (EST)

::Back when furnace operator was moodable, they'd turn out metal crafts. But taking over a mason's workshop is surprising. Occasionally they'll take over a random workshop and convert it into the type they want -- what artifact did the dwarf produce? And, just to rule out some obvious things, did the dwarf have dabbling skill in mining, masonry, or engraving?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:51, 14 November 2008 (EST)
:::He went crazy looking for some kind of rough gem, so we'll never know. It was ''right'' after the dwarf trading caravan left, too, so I really had no chance whatsoever. I don't know for sure what skills he had, I don't think he had much other than Furnace Operator, Architect, and the social skills though. I ''might'' have enabled mining, but there was plenty of work for him at the smelter so I don't know for sure.--[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 15:56, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Chunk Butchery? ==

Well, even though the selection of items for artifacts is totally random, its a bit wierd if a macabre dwarf goes to a butcher's workshop and starts bringing in tons of dwarf CHUNKS! My dwarf just started doing that, should I expect rotting meat (yes, the chunks are already rotten)? - 09:57, 30 October 2008 Stinhad Limarezum
: ^_^ "This is a delicious meat pie. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. On the item is an image of a dwarf and dwarves in rotting dwarf chunks. The dwarf is baking the other dwarves into meat pies. The artwork relates to the rise of the dwarf butcher Sweeney Todd as the cook of The Fleet Street in 78" -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 11:11, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:Oh, ''do'' post the description of the artifact when the dwarf completes it. ("Menaces with spikes of dwarf chunk?" I'd be intimidated for sure.)--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:18, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== What Workshop? ==

Is there any way to discover what workshop a dwarf in a secretive mood requires? I had nearly everything. I built a siege workshop and a bowery before I ran out of ideas and he went beserk. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 10:55, 3 November 2008 (EST)

:You have to look at what skills he has first and rule out the obvious. If he has no mood-able skills then it's going to be a craftsdwarf's workshop. If you have hit magma and he wants a forge or glass furnace, he will insist on the magma version of that workshop. Finally, maybe one of your existing workshops was inaccessible or you accidentally [[forbid]] it at some point. If none of that works, I'm out of ideas too.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:01, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::I have a functioning magma glass furnace and I had to build a normal glass furnace when my glass maker became secretive. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Same here, in fact I had 2 moody glass making dwarves refuse to use anything but a normal glass furnace when there were 5 fully functional magma glass furnaces in the same fort. (sorry, almost forgot to sign) --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 14:27, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Ditto. A glassmaker got possessed and refused to use my magma glass furnace. I had to build a regular one. --[[User:Schwern|Schwern]] 19:33, 27 December 2008 (EST)

:::Ah. In older versions, they'd insist on a magma workshop, when possible. Do they now insist on using a regular workshop, or has anyone seen a moody dwarf use a magma workshop in recent versions?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::I believe my metalsmith is waiting for my magma forge to come on line, I have a standard forge built, but that isn't doing anything for him. Does anyone know what effect fluctuating power will have on the strange mood? Edit: If a claimed workshop looses power for even a millisecond, the mood fails. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:02, 18 November 2008 (EST)
::::I can confirm that an Armorsmith will use a magma furnace, and if the furnace loses magma after it is claimed (Even if the dwarf is out collecting materials), the mood will fail. [[User:Decius|Decius]] 07:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== Possessed Child ==

I have a child that has become possessed and taken over one of my craft workshops (of course). He is muttering the following: rough color, leather skin, bone yes, stone rock, cloth thread, blocks bricks, and a shell. He has already acquired the following: turtle bones, donkey bones [4], microcline blocks, turtle shell, rough pink garnets, dog leather, carp leather, and hematite. I have plenty of all the things that he's already gathered, so I'm assuming that he doesn't need anymore of those items. That leaves the thread. I have turned off my auto-loom a while ago so that I would keep the thread around for artifacts. I currently have plenty of plant thread (4 pig tail and 14 rope reed) and enough spider silk (5). What I don't have is giant spider silk. I have confirmed that the child has access to all these items, including the thread which I have piles next to his workshop. Still he doesn't start construction.

Can any help? Is there a difference for artifact creation between regular cave spider silk and giant cave spider silk? ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

:Do you have both silk and plant cloth available? (Not just thread.) And do you see any specific cloth preferences in his thoughts and preferences screen?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:32, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::Argh. I bet that's it. No silk cloth, just thread. I have had guys go crazy for lack of thread before, so I never make silk cloth, just kept the thread. Oh well, the child is now melancholy. I can re-load and see what would happen if I make the thread into cloth. Maybe I'll test that out. ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

::: Wouldn't you be able to solve this problem by only weaving dyed thread? Then you'll always have some thread waiting to be dyed. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 03:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::::You could also leave high quality, expensive materials lying around Forbidden, and only Claim them when someone's trying to make an artifact. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 15:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Getting More Strange Moods ==

According to the article, the number of artifacts is limited by "The number of items created divided by 200." This indicates that making bolts (5 for each bone or 25 for each log) or brewing (5 units of drink for each unit of plant brewed) are efficient ways to encourage strange moods. Does that sound accurate?

It also states that the number of revealed subterranean tiles is a limit. Does that mean an area like a chasm, where many tiles are revealed to start with, will produce more strange moods?

Also, does anyone know whether the division rounds up or down? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 22:24, 16 November 2008 (EST)

:I'd be willing to bet all stacks count as only one "item" for this kind of calculation. 200 sounds like a paltry number, however. If rocks are counted as items, most fortresses have thousands of them in just a few years. The other number is what is most significant (I wonder where the heck it comes from?) I've had four miners digging non-stop for about 10 years now, and my stocks menu says I have 70,000 stones. Allowing for underground soil tiles (which don't produce stone) and stone/ore consumed by industry, each miner can probably clear about 2,000 tiles a year: one artifact. I have 21 artifacts in my fortress now (and two failed moods early on), so if that rate is indicative, I'd say you want to employ three or more miners non-stop to maximize your chances.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:09, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::The guy who wrote [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stone_management#Block_Stockpile this] doesn't seem to think that stones count as created items. Also, "revealed tiles" is ambiguous. For example, [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Exploratory_mining#Mine_shafts this] method is very good at showing you what's inside of a tile without actually mining it out. Do you suppose that seeing whats inside is enough?

::Where do you think these numbers came from anyway? I'm gonna take a look through the edit history and try to track them down. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 00:15, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::They came during [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&diff=25038&oldid=24936 this edit]. They're so specific I've got to think the author did some poking around with a disassembler. Again, though, 200 is such a paltry number. If underground "open space" counts, then discovering a chasm, bottomless pit, or magma pipe should many thousands thousands of revealed tiles. If underground floor tiles are needed, you'll have to mine most of them out yourself.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:34, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::::I had a chat with [[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] over at his talk page, since he edited the page around the time the changes were made. He seemed fairly certain that all you had to do to "reveal" a tile was to have a passable square next to it, so I edited the article to reflect that. He did not, however, know anything about how bolts or stones would affect things. Right now my hopes are on [[User:Marble_Dice|Marble Dice]], whom I believe made the actual addition. I'm not sure if he's a very active user though.

::::By the way, the reason I'm doing all this is that I'm considering optimizing a fortress for strange moods: have '''lots''' of dwarves with only "dabbling" in a single strange mood skill to gain maximum benefit from the moods. Any ideas for fortress strategies that will go well with this? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 02:44, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::::I saw the conversation -- I keep my eye on [[Special:Recentchanges]]. What he says about "reveal" is correct, as far as I know. I still wonder about "open space" tiles. If they count as revealed, all you really need to do is find a chasm/pit/magma pipe and you'll be in moods for years to come.

:::::I've done the dabbling strategy in the past. It's best to emphasize just a few skills you really really want that are otherwise hard to train due to limited materials -- armorsmith, weaponsmith, bone carver, leatherworker, carpenter, etc. It works fine with any fortress strategy.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 04:30, 17 November 2008 (EST)

== Two missing labors ==

Strand Extractor and Blacksmith don't currently appear in either the Causes Moods category or the Doesn't Cause Moods category. I put Strand Extractor in Doesn't Cause Moods and the Blacksmith in Causes Moods; feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 19:59, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:I can confirm that blacksmith is moodable, I've got a nice steel chest to show for it. It stands to reason that strand extractor isn't moodable, but we don't know for sure -- I've slapped a verify on it.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 21:01, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:Confirmed that strand extractor doesnt have an associated strange mood. My strand extractor/fish cleaner/grower entered a strange mood and became a legendary bone carver. --[[User:Paradigmlost|Paradigmlost]] 06:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)

== Order of stuff ==

I'm wondering if dwarves always claim items in a certain order. For example, when a dwarf wants three pieces of wood he always wants them back-to-back, never wood gem wood bone wood. So are types ALWAYS in a certain order? My current moody dwarf wanted two bars of metal, then spider silk cloth, then ash logs, then bones, then a rough gem, then a shell. Knowing the order might help you guess what the dwarf wants next if he doesn't need to wait for anything (and thus tell you what he wants). This might be useful for micromanaging forbidding stuff to make sure your dwarf gets the highest value things available. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 23:19, 26 November 2008 (EST)

:<s>This is actually well-defined in the article, if you'd bothered to look close enough. Dwarves will gather items in the order they scream their demands in.</s> It's unknown. I think there's no real order, just similar things end up grouped together. :V --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)

::fail. Uh, I mean, as soon as anyone else sees a strange mood, it can either be disproven, or we can start putting some data together immediately and be done pretty quick. I saw: Metal Bars, Silk Cloth, Wood, Bones, Rough Gem, Shell. If anyone sees bones before wood or something, that means there's no guaranteed order. But no harm done. :) --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 23:36, 26 November 2008 (EST)

:::It's simpler than that. Items have a certain number of slots for improvements, and for artifacts the first improvement slot is always filled by the base material of the item. Then the rest are filled in order, with whatever is a valid candidate for that slot (which is probably 'anything that's anything' in every case, though I'm not absolutely sure.) So, there isn't any explicit sorting because it has to be in order.

:::If you fill an item's slots with ordinary decoration, which is easiest to do by encrusting a wide variety of gems on a piece of furniture or the like, you'll see what I mean. Maybe. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 23:40, 26 November 2008 (EST)

::::Ah! So you're saying that instead of generating a list of ingredients, it first plans out the artifact itself, saying "This one is a chest, it has hanging rings and an image, first let's get a material for the chest, then a material for the hanging rings, then a material for the image"? That makes a ton of sense, and answers my question. Thanks! --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 23:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Well, I know it doesn't do that, because if you close the game and reopen it, you can get different items... With my elf game, I had one artifact that came out as either a thong, a left mitten, or a rope on five tries. But it's roughly the same idea, even with the details randomized upon creation. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 00:05, 27 November 2008 (EST)

== Fell Mood Demands ==

It looks like when a brooding dwarf sits in the tanner's shop and says he needs "Things..." what he's looking for is vermin remains. Other demands are like in Fey moods. --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 22:24, 3 December 2008 (EST)

== Confusing macabre mood ==

My mayor just entered one, while 'quite content', claimed a smelter, waited for a bit, until the parts appeared (the vermin must have died). He then created a roach rock chitin bracelet, and gained the carpenter skill. Am I missing something here? Smelter, rock and carpenter don't seem to mix well... Note: The only skills were proficient cook and fish cleaner, with some dabbling and noice social.--[[User:Finbeer|Finbeer]] 13:03, 6 December 2008 (EST)

:Carpenter? Or wood crafter? Claiming a smelter isn't out of the question: they sometimes grab a random workshop and turn it into the one they want (is it still a smelter?). And what is roach rock? Give the actual description of the artifact.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:14, 6 December 2008 (EST)

::Carpenter. It's still a smelter, yes. "This is a large roach chitin bracelet. All craftsdwaftship is of the highest quality. It is encircled with bands of large roach chitin and dwarf bone. This object menaces with spikes of rat leather."--[[User:Finbeer|Finbeer]] 15:32, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:::Hmm. Post that one on the forums, find out if it's an actual bug. Does sound pretty nonstandard.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:50, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:::: :-D Pretty sure that a roach is an actual bug. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 09:00, 8 December 2008 (EST)

:::::D'oh.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:56, 8 December 2008 (EST)

::::::I did have two very close together, but I am certain that neither had any carpenter skill, and the smelter was claimed.

: I've just had a similar occurance. Immediately after a goblin ambush (that killed 5 of my soldiers and caused major unhappiness in many dwarves), one dwarf that had lost a friend but was just "content" clained a tanner's workshop, grabbed a rhesus macque chunk, and made a rather boring rhesus macaque leather amulet (no embelishments apart from rhesus macaque leather bands). It did have quite an impressive name though - Gethustongos Nelas Luror, "Harshtainted the Flicker of Cruelties". The dwarf herself became a Legendary Weaponsmith, despite having no weaponsmithing skill! (Her highest skill was unlabled armoring). [[User:Iapetus|Iapetus]] 19:47, 10 January 2009 (EST)
::I imagine the requirement for a macabre/fell mood is having a thought psychology of less than 0 (being 'unhappy'). "Quite Content" shows up until -25, and then 'fine' is -26 to -50, so either of these diagnoses would theoretically qualify for a fell/macabre mood. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 12:05, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:I think macabre moods have a bug or something. I had a fisherdwarf go macabre, and he was definitely very unhappy since my fortress had fallen into a terrible state of unhappiness (ask me some other time). He went to a butcher's workshop and made a Large Roach Chitin Ring. I can't remember what skill he got but it was definitely not leatherworking or butchery.--[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 05:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Rough Gems ==

EVERY Fey Mood that has happened for the last 3 years has required Rough Gems! Argh! Mining out an entire Z-level has found ONE GEM, which I was idiotic enough to cut the instant I found it. I do not have Rough Gems. You cannot buy Rough Gems. My fortress will die slowly and painfully without Rough Gems. Cut green glass is good enough when a fey dwarf demands cut gems, why isn't raw green glass good enough when they want rough gems? Can it be made good enough with a mod? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 11:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)

:Dig down to an igneous intrusive level - they have more gems. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)

::To mod out gem-demanding fey dwarves, you could remove all gems and then generate a new world. Alternatively, if you don't mind the lack of moods, turn them off in init.txt. Personally, I highly dislike moods, since they just make it that much easier to have abundant so-called "legendary" dwarves, although the random killer effect is quite nice. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:15, 13 December 2008 (EST)

:Regarding "why isn't raw green glass good enough when they want rough gems" -- it is good enough. I've had fey dwarves grab raw green glass a half-dozen times. I think it's more likely that all the raw green glass in your fortress was TASKED, and therefore unavailable to the fey dwarf. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 12:16, 12 January 2009 (EST)

==Trapper?==
Has anyone seen a dwarf get trapper experience from a mood? I've made a couple of artifact animal traps at this point, and all of them were by dwarves without the trapper skill who received xp in skills related to the material. (ie, my turtle-shell animal trap was made by someone who became a legendary bonecarver therefrom). I know I made a similar comment on the Trapper talk page. From the other end, I'm sure I've had immigrant trappers get moods before and have never seen a legendary trapper, although I don't recall specifically enough to be certain they had moods. But I've seen zero evidence that Trapper is actually a moodable skill. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 16:00, 15 December 2008 (EST)

==Craftdwarf's Workshop==
I just had a lye maker take over a metalsmith's forge and turn out a bracelet; now he's a legendary metalcrafter. I think that "Dwarves with only the following skills will construct their artifact at a craftsdwarf's workshop..." might be too constrictive, and that such dwarves could seize any craftdwarf-related workshop (including forges and carpenter's shops), not just a craftdwarf's workshop. Anyone else observed this behavior? --[[User:Wingus|Wingus]] 09:55, 22 December 2008 (EST)

:You're certain that the dwarf in question had no experience in any other tasks? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 11:19, 22 December 2008 (EST)

:Yes, the lyemaker had no other (non-social) skills. He was a recent immigrant I was using as a hauler. --[[User:Wingus|Wingus]] 11:35, 22 December 2008 (EST)

::There have been quite a few anomalous moods that we haven't documented properly yet.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:34, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Figure this falls here. Had a Potash Maker refuse every shop I built, I had thought I had a craft shop. Turns out it was forbidden, I reclaimed it and he claimed it for his mood. I think this is verified.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 15:18, 3 January 2009 (EST)

== Time limit of a mood. ==

Do we have a fix on the exact time the player has to satisfy a mood before the dwarf goes insane? Any clue on whether it's fixed or variable?
--[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 12:04, 27 December 2008 (EST)
:I don't have a specific time limit, nor have I checked for variability, but 60 days/2 months is very close to the limit in my experience. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 12:18, 12 January 2009 (EST)

== Injured with Mood? ==

I recently had a recruit break his arm in sparring, you know... dwarf stuff, anyways he went into a strange mood and now hes magically up out of bed and walking around to the workshop. Will this work too if the dwarf has a broken leg? EDIT: The dwarf just fell on the ground unconcsious... This could be a big problem

:I just had a dwarf who'd been resting for months with a broken left upper leg and broken lower body rise up and crawl to the mason's workshop. The power of Armok compels her! [[User:Heartofgoldfish|Heartofgoldfish]] 02:44, 13 February 2009 (EST)
::Her injuries weren't ones that would make her pass out, and so, she's completed Nishuthir, a limestone weapon rack! [[User:Heartofgoldfish|Heartofgoldfish]] 03:53, 13 February 2009 (EST)

==Siege Operator==
Is listed in the table as using a mechanics workshop. In the text to the left of the table says the dwarf will use a craftsdwarf's workshop. Which is correct?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 13:16, 2 March 2009 (EST)

:Siege operation produces nothing, so I'm fairly certain they use a craftdwarfs shop. But then, I've never had a Siege Operator (as highest skill) have a mood, so i can't absolutely verify that. I'd say even Siege Engineers need verification on what they do with moods - I've never seen one. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 20:54, 2 March 2009 (EST)
::I agree with your comments. Since I am using siege operators as a cross-training tool, several of my dwarfs are at legendary status. Each of them are dabbling weapon/armor smiths, so I'll update it when they get a mood. My last mood was a soldier with lots of soldier skills, but dabbling in metalwork, armor, and weaponsmith. I got a legendary weaponsmith out of it - Woot! Woot!
::As for the Siege engineer, I don't think they would produce a catapult or ballista part artifact. It just doesn't make sense. But, I agree, we definitely need to verify that one. --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 13:50, 3 March 2009 (EST)
::I had a dwarf (legendary siege op., novice clothes, stone crafter, dabbling other things) get a mood. He took a craftsdwarf's workshop. [[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]], do you want to fix the front page?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 20:58, 4 March 2009 (EST)
:::Reasonably certain I already made the correct change on presumption, but i'll take a look. (done) --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 08:20, 5 March 2009 (EST)
::::I edited that in about a month ago when I had an SO get a special mood and, yes, he claimed a mechanic's workshop. Probably worth verifying that independently but that's certainly what happened to me. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:13, 5 March 2009 (EST)
:::::The question would be 'was his highest mood skill mechanics', because that would cause him to take a mechanics workshop despite being a Siege Operator. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 09:36, 5 March 2009 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure I checked and that it was siege operation; although I wouldn't swear that I remember it clearly, I'd like to think that I would have checked before wikifying it. Certainly worth keeping the verify tag for now, though. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:51, 5 March 2009 (EST)
::::::I had a SO with no other skills take a craftdwarf's shop. He was a peasant before I made him train in SO. I can't yet verify siege engineer (The skill that produces catapult parts). It would make sense. [[User:Decius|Decius]] 08:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::In that case, my apologies. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

==Butcher==
Had a Butcher/Dabbling Tanner become a Legendary Tanner after a mood. Verified. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 08:23, 5 March 2009 (EST)

==Lye Maker==
Immigrant Lye Maker/Dabbling Leather Worker became a Legendary Leather Worker after a mood. Verified. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 11:31, 5 March 2009 (EST)

==Weirdness==
I just had a dwarf with legendary siege operator/legendary pump operator/legendary record keeper/ competent mason /previous mayor, so various levels of social and military skills that took a craftsdwarf's shop. I would have thought he'd take the mason's shop according to the rules here. Maybe the record keeper ALWAYS takes the craftdwarf's shop? Also, it was a possessed mood, so maybe that makes a difference?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 11:31, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

Weird. I've had Legendary record keepers take appropriate workshops for their mood skills. Ditto pump operator. All my siege operators end up being dwarves who ended up with useless mood skills (generally because they had moods as children), but that would be really weird if SO was considered a moodable skill that took the *craftdwarf* workshop. Too bad it was possession, we can't see where he got xp. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 15:04, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

:There's evidence that if the highest skill doesn't have a workshop, they'll switch to the next highest skill, and if that doesn't have a workshop, the next after that. Possibly, the game only checks this a certain number of times, say, twice, and then defaults to craftsman's workshop. This would eliminate instances where maybe a peasant has constructed a wall or two in his time, but he's a much better comedian, liar, and pacifier. Obviously, he's not a mason of any sort, so he defaults to craftsdwarf. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 06:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I've had a couple possessed dwarves take craftdwarf's shops even though they had an applicable skill. I think that maybe the rules are a little difference for possesion; it would make sense since if you're possessed it shouldn't be your skills that matter. I don't know if this is just a fluke though, so it would be good to have confirmation. --[[User:Lemursdon'texist|Lemursdon'texist]] 16:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Mikaka, I don't agree. In my experience, if the highest '''moodable''' skill workshop doesn't exist, the dwarf just wonders around (and will eventually go insane unless the building gets built). I take my non-mood dwarfs (dyers, farmers, furnace operators) and have them make ONE piece of armor. When they get a mood, they always go to the forge and become legendary armorsmiths. Possessions, like Lemurs mentioned above, are different from other moods. Skills don't matter and they don't get experience for it.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Kablebes==

Craftsdwarf's Workshop

This building has been claimed by Zas Dedukudil, Farmer.

Zas Dedukudil keeps muttering Kablebes...

That is all. No other mutterings, nothing. --[[User:Zphobic|Zphobic]] 21:23, 15 April 2009 (CST)

::He's muttering the name of the thing that he will eventually produce. Don't worry about it, he's got everything he needs and is working. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== military ==
"Further, dwarfs with a military profession other than "Recruit" can '''not''' enter moods"

Does this mean that they can't be moody ''while'' being soldier and, as that, say, marksdwarf, but they can be moody as civilians while having skill in marksdwarf ''or'' does it not matter if soldier or civilian as long as marksdwarf is not their highest skill? --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 19:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:I would need to look at the disassembly again to be absolutely sure, but what I remember is that if a military skill is their highest (non-social) skill, they won't enter into moods.   —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 00:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::Hol - it's all about [[profession]]s. 0x5 - that's what your analysis of this said when you posted it on the forums. Military professions simply don't take moods. I'll edit and emphasize/clarify that.
::EDIT - Gah. Now that I'm half-way into it, I know how moods work, but I'm starting to doubt how the game reads "professions" - does activating change a dwarf's profession in the eyes of Moods? If a legendary Brewer has 2 ranks of hammerdwarf and are activated, are they a "brewer" or a "macedwarf"? --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 01:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Personality ==

I'm 90% certain personality traits like "feels strong urges" "has a fertile imagination" and one other trait greatly influence the development of moods.– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Eerr|Eerr]]
:I believe that you feel this way. Care to expand on why, and exactly what influence you believe they have? (and what that "one other trait" is?)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 20:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

==Miner is moodable?==

Just had a legendary miner with no masonry, not even dabbling, claim a masonry shop and made a marble coffer artifact. He was in a secretive mood. It was even weirder in that he gained no experience even though he was not possessed. [[User:Greep|Greep]] 02:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

:He probably did gain experience - just in mining. Since he was already advanced skill wise, he wouldn't even get any attributes from the bump in experience.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 02:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

::This is all covered in the article - read Skills and workshops and check the list for miner --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 02:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

::: whoops missed it >.> Wait, why isn't miner on the moodable list then? Do people not know if it is weighted at 6? [[User:Greep|Greep]] 03:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:::: Ummm... it's there on the moodable list, right between metalsmith and stone crafter. As for weighting... hmmm, you're right, and no mention of it in the original forum thread (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=35257.msg545835#msg545835). Have to ask [[User:0x517A5D]], the original researcher. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 08:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Read it again. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Honestly, I liked it better the other way - it was a positive confirmation of any and every relevant profession, and emphasized both profession vs. skill, and also moodable professions vs. non-moodable, both of which some players are vague on. As you've correctly pointed out before, why delete any useful info once it's up? (Do you know for a fact that Miner is one of the non-weighted professions?)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Deleting info? The current version delivers all of the information of the previous version except in a more compact way. I don't believe in inflating the size of an article when it neither delivers more information nor makes it easier to access. Doing so only introduces errors when editing it and interpreting it. The situation of doubt over the miner was caused by an error of omission when the section was [http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php?title=Strange_mood&diff=next&oldid=41277917 changed] from something similar to the current version to create the three section table. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::::If possible, birthright likes detailed lists for their explicitness, and feels they ''are'' easier accessible sometimes. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 23:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== nonsense - expl. m. focuses on '''not''' mining a lot of stone ==

Why is any one particular mining method better for increasing your artifact limit? All we care about is pure mass mined, right? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 01:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

: It's the quantity of revealed tiles that counts. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, '''revealed'''. I both forgot and misread that and bow my head in shame --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 13:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== Happiness ==
I've added a little remark in mood types about the happiness state of moody dwarves at the moment of the announcement. I had 7 different fortresses with at least 5 artifacts in each. All the time my possessed dwarves were "quite content", while fey and secretive were "happy" or even "ecstatic". Royal dining rooms ahoy!– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Insecticide|Insecticide]]
:I agree this seems to be the case. All my "quite content" dwares turn possessed. This is very likely also because we know you need to be unhappy for a fell mood. [[User:Greep|Greep]] 08:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Okay upon further research, you ''can'' get a fey mood when quite content. However, ''all'' of my possessed dwarves were quite content. More research would be nice :) [[User:Greep|Greep]] 08:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
::Toady is a mean little bitch. I pride myself in a 100% ecstatic fortress and yet i have the occasional posessed mood and yes, they are all quite content. This nagged me badly and so i did a bit save game juggling: All posessed dwarfs, 5 so far, were ecstatic ''before'' being posessed and ''content'' after. In 2 cases i could even reload a save just 2 days back and all 5 had the same thoughts displayed. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 22:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, yes I just noticed that tantrums work the same way. I had a dwarf get his only masterpiece defaced so he's at -1000. He throws a tanturm and magically goes from miserable to very unhappy. Then after the tantrum goes back to miserable. It's happened 4 times in a row with him [[User:Greep|Greep]] 02:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It seems the same applies to secretive moods, will collect more data. It might be implemented this way to ensure a proper chance of the artifact to fail - along the lines of fey: hey lets build a great thingy versus secret and posessed: I NEED to do this --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 10:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::If you view '''any''' dwarf who is currently in a Strange Mood, that dwarf will seemingly always be "quite content" - Dwarf Companion seems to indicate that entering a mood resets a dwarf's happiness value to exactly 100. This seems to be the case for fey moods, possessions, and secretive moods - I've not yet had the misfortune of getting a fell mood or macabre mood (since my dwarves are always ecstatic), so it's possible those are different. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Obok not playing by the rules? ==
"If two skills are at the same experience, the first listed for that dwarf will be the one affected by the mood."

Novice Mason, Novice Engraver - First listed was Mason, but he became legendary engraver. Does this mean he had more XP as engraver but was still novice or is the statement just wrong? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 02:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:It depends on the exact amount of [[Experience|experience points]] they have in each skill. There's not really an in-game way to see this, but [[User:Bartavelle/DwarfCompanion|Dwarf Companion]] will show it.    —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::It does not depend on the exact experience points, just on the level/title. In my current game, I had an immigrant craftsdwarf get a mood. He was novice in bone carving, glass making, and leatherworking. I'd been training him up in glass making, and he was just a few xp away from hitting no label when he got his mood. (Exact xp levels were confirmed with Dwarf Therapist.) He claimed a crafts workshop, and became a legendary bone carver. (I'm just trying to update the main article with this information, but the damned thing won't let me log in. ¬_¬) --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]] 07:58, 09 October 2009 (UTC)

== Materials used ==

Before I struck adamantine, all metalworking moods (weapons, armor, furniture, crafts) would pick a randomly available metal and use it. However, ever since I struck adamantine, they '''always''' go straight for the wafers, even when it isn't in their preferences. Stone-related moods, however, don't seem to prefer raw adamantine over other nearby rocks. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Material Preferences ==

Stories from the old 2D version have included many accounts of dwarves in strange moods requesting very specific materials, though with all of the moods I've gone through in 40d, I have '''never''' seen any dwarf require any specific material other than Adamantine (and only for metalsmithing or clothesmaking moods, and only once I've actually discovered it). Are specific material preferences even present in the current version, or were they removed from the game entirely (along with many other things)? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

:I've also never got such requests. And I've used Dwarf companion to crank out over 20 artifacts in a single fortress at least 3 times. All in all, I've probably seen over 100 different artifacts made and never had a single request for a specific material (I don't play a lot of fortresses with Adamantine, so that's why I've not seen those, and the few I have died due to too much [[fun]].) [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 18:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::Not that rare actually - just had a mood that asked for silver bars. Often moodies ask specifically for one of silk ''or'' plant cloth, sometimes also specifically only one of rope reed ''or'' pig tail. Those demands are obviously tied to preferences, maybe moreso for the base material. Clear glass will also not be accepted as replacement for green glass, but maybe thats completely out of bounds, I never had an artifact with clear glass. I, too, can however not recall requests for a specific log, gem (cut or not), bone or leather, e.g. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Dwarves insisting on plant fiber cloth versus silk cloth is perfectly normal, though I don't think I've ever seen them specifically require pig tail cloth over rope reed cloth. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I think that's a "plant cloth"/"animal cloth" distinction, sim to foods, mebbe? Reworded section about that to apply to "general items", not specific subtypes - the warning is still valid, as newbs still find themselves without silk or shells all the time. (Too bad, I miss that whole scramble.) --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 22:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I suppose I should note that, in my (new) current fortress, I have had 2 moods which required a specific metal, netting me a trifle pewter table and a pig iron crossbow - when I tried forbidding every metal other than platinum/aluminum (for the blacksmith) or steel (for the weaponsmith), they just sat around until I gave them what they wanted. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 15:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Failed fell mood ==

Recently, I had a child go into a fell mood. Many of my dwarves had recently died to a tantrum spiral, but there were still about 70 left. The fell child claimed a butcher's shop and sat there for a while, not saying or doing anything. Eventually a baby passed by the butcher's shop and the fell child promptly killed it in one hit (those dwarves need psychological help). However, the child did not do anything with the corpse, instead returning to the butcher's shop and sitting there. Eventually, some other dwarves came along and buried the baby. Although many other dwarves passed by the butcher's shop, the child never did anything else, and eventually went insane. This was my first fell mood, so I have only this page to tell me what's supposed to happen. Is this a bug? Has anyone else ever had a child go into a fell mood, or a baby killed by one? --[[User:LaVacaMorada|LaVacaMorada]] 03:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== Doesn't want magma forge? ==

I didn't have any forges (just smelters) when a newly arrived weaponsmith had a secretive mood. I built two magma forges, but he didn't use them. I then built a metalsmith's forge, and he used it immediately. !? -[[User:Goffrie|Goffrie]] 21:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's possible they'll only claim a magma forge if you have one. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 22:39, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::This is addressed in the article...
When multiple workshops are listed, the dwarf may require one or the other, so ensure that ''both'' are available,...
::Yours didn't want the magma version, he would ''only'' accept the standard type. Quite common.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)