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User talk:Lethosor

2013-10-17T19:19:00Z

Asva: /* Raw ripping */

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==Templates==
Nice work on the rounded box templates! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 08:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I guess I had a little too much time on my hands. Does the formatting look ok? I think I screwed it up once or twice, but the main page looks all right now. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User_talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 13:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

==Variations==
I like your solution to the creature variation problem. It's much simpler than what I had in mind, and, at least for the current batch of creatures, works quite well. Great job! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] 20:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Duplicated History ==

Yeah, I noted that as well and decided it wasn't actually a major enough issue worth redoing everything I was doing to the database (since it already took almost 7 hours of lock time :(. If there are other issues, I can revert back, but I'll want to do it before tonightish, so we don't loose a lot of data. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
: And then I changed my mind and reverted. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::And now I just realized I should have just nuked the caches to fix the problem. Oh well. I'll re-try the upgrade later :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I rolled back the database maintenance / upgrade because of the issue you pointed out. Thanks for alerting me :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

As to what just happened: cache collision >.> - Should be fixed now, sorry . --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks. I thought I was commenting on the wrong page for a second there. Looks good now :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 01:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Rater ==

Left a note at [[User_talk:Lethosor/rater.js]] for you :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Skill tree for DF masterwork ==

What do you think about adding a new skill tree for the new skills? Could be usefull... [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:You mean like {{nocats|{{DF2012 skills}}}}? --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 20:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Yes, I think it could be usefull. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 11:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== Flying Spawn Mechanics (RedReign) ==

Hi, Lethosor,

It appears you made a small modification to what I recently wrote on the DF2012:Flying page. You wrote that it only affects underground creatures, not surface fliers.

However, after doing some !science!, I have discovered that above-ground flying creatures DO, in fact, stop spawning if I wall off every edge tile at every possible z-level above ground.

Obviously there is a conflict with the information we have. I'd like to resolve this, since I spent a lot of time and effort recently working on a project similar to those at Oceanshoots on the forums. I mean this with utmost sincerity - if you are certain that you have only seen the walling-off method to affect underground fliers, perhaps we can find what was different between our experiences, and why we were getting different results. :)

Cheers!
RedReign {{sign|RedReign}}

:Ah, I didn't realize you meant using bridges instead of walls (walls can't be built within 5 tiles of the map edge above ground, but will work underground). You're correct, drawbridges will keep creatures from spawning above ground. Sorry about the confusion there. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 13:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for help! ==

Cool, Thanks for the tip on deleting pages! [[User:Smakemupagus|Smakemupagus]] ([[User talk:Smakemupagus|talk]]) 20:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template use in german translated Wiki ==

Nice Template the {{tl|av}} I would like to adope it for the german wiki but I am not sure if I have something to change, I hate to change existing Templates on my own. and a complete list of widly used templates that need copy for similar look of translated articles would be nice to. Thanks in advance.
:Most templates on this wiki should work on other wikis. For {{tl|av}} to work, you (or an admin) need to add [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces/de namespaces] to your wiki (<code>DF2012</code>, <code>v0.31</code>, <code>40d</code>, and <code>23a</code> are the names we use, but you can change those on your wiki). I can help out with some extra templates if you want, but I'd need an account. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::I will redict your request (may be we sould make it more accessible for poeple will to help), a reqest for for adding the missing namespaces in youre wiki is done, but pending. i have manage to get some templates to work (I realy hate complex wiki templates, so much space for mistakes) but a whole bunch is missing atm. also I not sure If I could replace all masterwork - tattered wich their Meisterwerk - abgenutzt counterparts without breaking some/all template that rely on that. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::: You have an account now, nick is same, but i haven't to tell your temp passphrase yet. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: I havn't find a way to give you your temp passphrase for german wiki, are you avaible via eMail or Teamspeak (can't use skype not safe any longer). [[Special:Contributions/79.242.128.219|79.242.128.219]] 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: I guess you could [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=85402 send me a message] on the forums, if you have an account there.<br>By the way, I'm not very good at German, but I can try helping out with the templates anyway :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== AV / Masterwork color scheme ==

Would you consider adding a unique color scheme to the ArticleVersion template for articles in the Masterwork namespace? Currently they share the same light green color scheme as articles the DF2012 namespace, but I think it would be beneficial to distinguish them visually with their own color scheme. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

:What color were you thinking of? I was thinking of purple (it's the only scheme I haven't used yet from [[Template:Quality]]), but I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

::I was originally thinking light yellow, but a light purple should work fine. It probably shouldn't be quite as dark as the "Superior" background (the AV box is rather larger, and a dark color could prove overbearing), but bump it towards white a bit and it'd fit with the other colors. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

<table id="testtable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #e4ccff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: e4ccff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #f5e5ff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: f5e5ff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable3" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #db8; background: #fff5ee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about an '''older version''' of DF.</font><br>color: fff5ee</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable4" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #bd8; background: #f5ffee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about the current version of DF.</font><br>color: f5ffee</td></tr></table>

:::This should be implemented now. Feel free to tweak some of the colors if you want (the highlight color for the Masterwork link is a bit off). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== I have no idea what I'm doing. ==

Thanks for the feedback! I have no idea what I'm doing. I've never gotten into editing wikis before and I don't even know if this will reach you correctly. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Masterwork mod: minimize number of leather types. Maximize number of parrot types. XP --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

:I saw your recent edits to the Masterwork creature pages to move <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> after the sidebar. I've incorporated the change into the chunk of text that I blindly copy and paste to make new creature pages. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== New template for the Creature page tables ==

I've made a new template that pulls all the creature information from the raws for inclusion into those creature tables. Let me know what you think: [[Template:Creature_row]] --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 18:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, because of the number of creatures in the game, dynamically compiling the creature tables will hammer the server with hundreds of requests to generate the page. I suspect this is something that is better precompiled by editors, even though it means slightly more maintenance. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:mw:help:subst|Substituting]] the templates might be a workable alternative, although generating the wiki markup to do so would still take some work:
<pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{subst:creature row|name=Dwarf|namespace=DF2012}}
</pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{CreatureCurrent table row
|symbol={{char|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CREATURE_TILE}}}}|
|color={{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|COLOR}}
|name=[[DF2012:Dwarf|Dwarf]]
|hostile={{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PRONE_TO_RAGE}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|LARGE_PREDATOR}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BENIGN}}|No|Variable}}}}}}
|food={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|INTELLIGENT}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CAN_LEARN}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|NOT_BUTCHERABLE}}|1|0}}|No|Yes}}
|size={{bodysize|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}}}
|value={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET_EXOTIC}}|1|0}}|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PETVALUE}}|Not tameable}}
|biome={{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME}}|{{#eval:{{#df_foreachtag:{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME|<nowiki></nowiki>
* {{#delay:BiomeToken|\2}}}}}}|<nowiki></nowiki>
* None}}
|note=}}

|}
::(This would also require regenerating the creatures page manually whenever the template is updated.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I hadn't thought to substitute it. I actually have the wikimarkup necessary ready on my hard drive - yes, I was crazy enough to try it, and it only too about twenty minutes too. Would have been ten if I had written a program to scrub the number values out, but I was lazy...gimmie a sec to upload it on my drive. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-vLigamtNE6S3lfRkhidk9MLVk/edit?usp=sharing Here you go]. I might do this myself tomorrow, actually. When I tried to serve it directly onto the wiki the page was understandably non-responsive past about fifteen of these entries (I didn't except the server to break ''that'' easily...). [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
::If we get the rest of this working it looks like HFS creatures should probably still be done by hand as they're not specific creatures but rather categories. --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 12:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== With a few modifications... ==

...[[Template:Urist asks|I'm so using this]] :) [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I completely forgot about that. :) I think I fixed the problem with the misaligned "D", so go ahead and use it if you want. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
== Bot test ==
Hello! --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (minor edit) (bot edit)

== Editing the Masterwork buildings dropdown menu ==

Hi there!
I'm quite new to the wiki editing scene and I don't know how to modify the dropdown menu which is at the ending of every article in the buildings section for MDF....
I'd like to ad the category "Vanilla" to the dropdown menu... Maybe you can help me,
Thanks in advance!!
--[[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:That's a template — it's included in the article in the place of <nowiki>{{buildings}}</nowiki>, which makes it easier to add the box to an article without copying and pasting the entire thing. Normally the template you'd edit would be located at [[Template:Buildings]], but this is a weird template that redirects to a different template based on the article's namespace. The actual template you'd need to edit is [[Template:Masterwork buildings]] — feel free to try adding links, and I'll help you fix them if it doesn't work. (Also, don't worry about creating a lot of new pages — I can get a bot to do that.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thank you for your quick answer. I will try to complete the buildings section for MDf in the next few weeks... This will help me a lot. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Page requests ==

Regarding [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Page_request/Redirect&diff=191684&oldid=189271 this edit comment], perhaps some clarification or an example request is in order.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:Darn. I know why that happened - I'd re-organized the pages to be displayed above the editing area (on a separate wiki), but only the templates imported correctly, and I forgot to re-import the other pages. -_- --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::This should be resolved now. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== version switch ==

Your bot seems to have wiped out a number of page differences in applying this update. Examples include:

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Buildings&diff=191742&oldid=190354 Buildings], where <nowiki>{{interwiki|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}{{Category|Buildings}}</nowiki> was removed

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Creatures&diff=191755&oldid=188283 Creatures], which had been updated to avoid template loops and pass in a categorization parameter

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Vermin&diff=191754&oldid=183964 Vermin], which had been similarly updated

I suspect a number of the others also had "peculiarities" which were similarly discarded.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for re-adding the category parameters — I only checked a couple of the templates, to make sure they were working, and I must have overlooked those. (I'll try to be more careful with my bot edits in the future.) I re-added {{tl|Interwiki}} to {{tl|Buildings}}, but I think {{<nowiki/>Category|Buildings}} should ideally go on the version-specific building templates (which is what {{tl|Masterwork buildings}} does), or possibly somewhere in {{tl|version switch}} (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Category|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}}}</nowiki></code>, which would eliminate the need to insert {{<nowiki/>Category}} into all of the navboxes).<br> By the way, what "template loops" are you referring to? I don't remember seeing any issues with vermin/creature pages (although they could have been cached when I checked). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

::When calling any of the templates from mainspace (e.g. [[Boar]]), <nowiki>{{namespace}}</nowiki> evaluates to nothing, so <nowiki>{{Creatures}}</nowiki> expands to <nowiki>{{ {{namespace}} Creatures}}</nowiki>, then evaluates to "<nowiki>{{ Creatures}}</nowiki>", repeating and causing a template loop.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Raw ripping ==

Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a lot of raws from the server. Fortunately, they're usually cached once they're generated, so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the server. However, you should avoid including extremely large raws - [[Masterwork:Golem]] is an example of this.
: > Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
: It would be hard. There are some file upload extensions on MediaWiki, but nearly all of them are unstable. There's a PHP script that can accomplish this, if you have access to the server (which I don't). Also, there's the possibility that images might change, which would require re-uploading some of them.
: > I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
: [[Tileset repository|Tilesets]] are much easier than [[graphics set]]s, since graphics sets require looking up information about each image. I've managed to make an extension that can display images with tilesets in-browser (with JavaScript), so that's definitely possible. Using the MDF tilesets would take more effort, since they use transparency, but it shouldn't be too hard (assuming I can figure out the composition algorithms).
: > In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter?
: This sounds like it would be really useful, but I haven't figured out a way to do it yet (wiki syntax is challenging, especially once you start nesting 20+ templates). It should be possible, though, as long as all of the information is in the raws somewhere (it's easiest if it's all in the same file, since DFRawFunctions only works with one file at a time).
: Actually, maybe something like this could be used to generate images for workshops, instead of uploading pictures of every one. It would be really nice to reduce the amount of template editing needed to supply basic information about workshops (and other types of pages, like [[iron]].)
: So, in summary, extracting more information from the raws is possible. It would be hard, especially once you try formatting it, but it's definitely possible.
: --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 14:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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> you should avoid including extremely large raws
Hm, that may be troublematic. In worst case it's possible to make shorter versions of raws.
> used to generate images for workshops
Currently working on that :P. Included [[Template:Tile]] and such in script to avoid long long nesty template chains. Function takes workshop TILE values, transforms them into UTF-8 code, and presents neatly. Shall add coloring in nearest future.--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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* BTW, how do you make mediawiki show &#x263A -like unicode symbols?
::☺ (&#x263A;) works for me. Are you using a template? Some templates, like {{tl|diagram}}, process individual characters (&, #, ... ;) before the browser can process them as entities (&#...;). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* <s>Padding issue. With no way to insert line breaks from template, I get either [https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uwt4wr5chk5xje/screenshoot_00356.jpg this] or [https://www.dropbox.com/s/hemzqi0jghcwv2n/screenshoot_00357.jpg that]. Any way around you possibly know?</s>
: Nevermind, did it by [https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgdy51k57r56bdb/screenshoot_00358.jpg xHTML]. Script is fully operational and ready for testing.
::Personally, I prefer using actual HTML tags (<table>, <td>, etc.) over MediaWiki tables for this reason, since they don't need newlines, but it looks like you got it working. Nice work! --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
* Here is another [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/Building%20%E2%80%94%20Asva.htm problem]. Table works fine in most cases. But when borders are missing (check incomplete building), the alignment messes up true location of tiles. Any helpful ideas, by chance? Here is the table config I use: <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold">
::The source code (wikitext) would make it easier for me to test it on my own. From my experiences with {{tl|Diagram}}, though, it looks like each <td> element requires some CSS as well. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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:::The source code is nothing but html... But oh, well.
:::I managed to fix those empty spaces. What I did is just exchanged tile "32" from conversion table with [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML/emptycells.html no-break space] (&#160;).
:::Though, I still can't fiqure the way to get rid of borders at top and bottom of tiles.
* On a different matter. Played a bit with tilesets. Seems, no javascript is required:

Arrow:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-21px;left:-16px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Bush:
<div style="background:#00CC00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-32px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Something:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
2,3,1:
<div style="background:#0000FF;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-53px;left:-32px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div><div style="background:#FF0000;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div><div style="background:#00FF00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-16px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]</div></div>

Though the padding is a bit weird. Somewhy for "arrow" and "2" it is not dividable by 16. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 11:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

* I'm almost done. Here's the [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00364.jpg result]. And that's how it looks after I save the page [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00365.jpg =.=]. Same syntax as before. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:28, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, nice work. A few things I've noticed about the tiles, though - they don't seem to support non-square tilesets or different foreground colors. :( Personally, I'd prefer to use JavaScript for this (assuming I can get transparency to work) but the CSS works a lot better than I expected.

(And by the way, the "Close" button at the bottom of the [https://github.com/quietust/DFRawFunctions/pull/3 pull request] is probably what you're looking for.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

:> support non-square tilesets

:Probably fixaeble. Non square big tiles can be squarified. That will make messy code even messier...

:Foreground colors? You mean, for monochrome tilesets? I don't think supporting these would be of any merit. For workshop articles, ascii and graphic tiles are plenty. Only implementation - would be tricky option, allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list.

:Surely, clean javascript would suit much better.

:PS Thanks for github editing and supportive information. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 18:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

::I was referring to the text color - for example, the background color of the numbers above (2,3,1) can easily be changed to red, green, and blue, but the colors of the numbers themselves are still white (I'm not even sure if it's possible to do this in CSS, although it could be). You're probably right about workshops not needing them, though.
::> allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list
::Definitely possible with an extension (could be added in [[Special:Preferences]] somewhere, for example), although it would require at least some JS to modify the CSS appropriately. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
::: I'm talking about [[Graphics_set_repository|graphics sets]]. You can't possibly change color without turning them into monochrome+alpha. Which is weird and probably bothersome.
::: While for [[Tileset_repository|tilesets]] the idea is valid.
* While working on items I encountered tags like FIRE_BUILD_SAFE, NEEDS_MAGMA, WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY. Don't you have an idea, how those can be put in workshop or item template without taking too much space?
* About huge tables (f.e. workshop | buildmat | tiled image | build profession). Is it possible to make them editable only by your bot? Like, simply update once new version arrives? Otherwise large tables may hurt server costs.

Hi.
I remade the previous script a bit. Now it uses global array of objects. Which means, to get any output you'll have to (pseudocode warning):
* <nowiki>{{load files}}</nowiki>
* <nowiki>{{process files}}</nowiki>
* <nowiki>{{output files}}</nowiki>
Beforehead, I passed all data for every function just to avoid excessive file loading. Was hectic, hard to debug, hard to process.
As for now, stuff seems much brighter. For instance, I can make <nowiki>{{show me errors}}</nowiki> wiki template without much ado.

So, back to globals, is it a good idea (safety-wise)? Won't it break something?

BTW, I decided on quietust's functionality. I'll left it intact. Won't touch a thing. I'll use only one parser template, which is <nowiki>{{#df:}}</nowiki>. Approved, sir?--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 19:18, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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==Templates==
Nice work on the rounded box templates! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 08:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I guess I had a little too much time on my hands. Does the formatting look ok? I think I screwed it up once or twice, but the main page looks all right now. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User_talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 13:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

==Variations==
I like your solution to the creature variation problem. It's much simpler than what I had in mind, and, at least for the current batch of creatures, works quite well. Great job! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] 20:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Duplicated History ==

Yeah, I noted that as well and decided it wasn't actually a major enough issue worth redoing everything I was doing to the database (since it already took almost 7 hours of lock time :(. If there are other issues, I can revert back, but I'll want to do it before tonightish, so we don't loose a lot of data. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
: And then I changed my mind and reverted. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::And now I just realized I should have just nuked the caches to fix the problem. Oh well. I'll re-try the upgrade later :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I rolled back the database maintenance / upgrade because of the issue you pointed out. Thanks for alerting me :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

As to what just happened: cache collision >.> - Should be fixed now, sorry . --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks. I thought I was commenting on the wrong page for a second there. Looks good now :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 01:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Rater ==

Left a note at [[User_talk:Lethosor/rater.js]] for you :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Skill tree for DF masterwork ==

What do you think about adding a new skill tree for the new skills? Could be usefull... [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:You mean like {{nocats|{{DF2012 skills}}}}? --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 20:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Yes, I think it could be usefull. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 11:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== Flying Spawn Mechanics (RedReign) ==

Hi, Lethosor,

It appears you made a small modification to what I recently wrote on the DF2012:Flying page. You wrote that it only affects underground creatures, not surface fliers.

However, after doing some !science!, I have discovered that above-ground flying creatures DO, in fact, stop spawning if I wall off every edge tile at every possible z-level above ground.

Obviously there is a conflict with the information we have. I'd like to resolve this, since I spent a lot of time and effort recently working on a project similar to those at Oceanshoots on the forums. I mean this with utmost sincerity - if you are certain that you have only seen the walling-off method to affect underground fliers, perhaps we can find what was different between our experiences, and why we were getting different results. :)

Cheers!
RedReign {{sign|RedReign}}

:Ah, I didn't realize you meant using bridges instead of walls (walls can't be built within 5 tiles of the map edge above ground, but will work underground). You're correct, drawbridges will keep creatures from spawning above ground. Sorry about the confusion there. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 13:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for help! ==

Cool, Thanks for the tip on deleting pages! [[User:Smakemupagus|Smakemupagus]] ([[User talk:Smakemupagus|talk]]) 20:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template use in german translated Wiki ==

Nice Template the {{tl|av}} I would like to adope it for the german wiki but I am not sure if I have something to change, I hate to change existing Templates on my own. and a complete list of widly used templates that need copy for similar look of translated articles would be nice to. Thanks in advance.
:Most templates on this wiki should work on other wikis. For {{tl|av}} to work, you (or an admin) need to add [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces/de namespaces] to your wiki (<code>DF2012</code>, <code>v0.31</code>, <code>40d</code>, and <code>23a</code> are the names we use, but you can change those on your wiki). I can help out with some extra templates if you want, but I'd need an account. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::I will redict your request (may be we sould make it more accessible for poeple will to help), a reqest for for adding the missing namespaces in youre wiki is done, but pending. i have manage to get some templates to work (I realy hate complex wiki templates, so much space for mistakes) but a whole bunch is missing atm. also I not sure If I could replace all masterwork - tattered wich their Meisterwerk - abgenutzt counterparts without breaking some/all template that rely on that. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::: You have an account now, nick is same, but i haven't to tell your temp passphrase yet. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: I havn't find a way to give you your temp passphrase for german wiki, are you avaible via eMail or Teamspeak (can't use skype not safe any longer). [[Special:Contributions/79.242.128.219|79.242.128.219]] 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: I guess you could [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=85402 send me a message] on the forums, if you have an account there.<br>By the way, I'm not very good at German, but I can try helping out with the templates anyway :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== AV / Masterwork color scheme ==

Would you consider adding a unique color scheme to the ArticleVersion template for articles in the Masterwork namespace? Currently they share the same light green color scheme as articles the DF2012 namespace, but I think it would be beneficial to distinguish them visually with their own color scheme. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

:What color were you thinking of? I was thinking of purple (it's the only scheme I haven't used yet from [[Template:Quality]]), but I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

::I was originally thinking light yellow, but a light purple should work fine. It probably shouldn't be quite as dark as the "Superior" background (the AV box is rather larger, and a dark color could prove overbearing), but bump it towards white a bit and it'd fit with the other colors. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

<table id="testtable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #e4ccff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: e4ccff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #f5e5ff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: f5e5ff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable3" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #db8; background: #fff5ee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about an '''older version''' of DF.</font><br>color: fff5ee</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable4" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #bd8; background: #f5ffee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about the current version of DF.</font><br>color: f5ffee</td></tr></table>

:::This should be implemented now. Feel free to tweak some of the colors if you want (the highlight color for the Masterwork link is a bit off). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== I have no idea what I'm doing. ==

Thanks for the feedback! I have no idea what I'm doing. I've never gotten into editing wikis before and I don't even know if this will reach you correctly. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Masterwork mod: minimize number of leather types. Maximize number of parrot types. XP --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

:I saw your recent edits to the Masterwork creature pages to move <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> after the sidebar. I've incorporated the change into the chunk of text that I blindly copy and paste to make new creature pages. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== New template for the Creature page tables ==

I've made a new template that pulls all the creature information from the raws for inclusion into those creature tables. Let me know what you think: [[Template:Creature_row]] --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 18:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, because of the number of creatures in the game, dynamically compiling the creature tables will hammer the server with hundreds of requests to generate the page. I suspect this is something that is better precompiled by editors, even though it means slightly more maintenance. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:mw:help:subst|Substituting]] the templates might be a workable alternative, although generating the wiki markup to do so would still take some work:
<pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{subst:creature row|name=Dwarf|namespace=DF2012}}
</pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{CreatureCurrent table row
|symbol={{char|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CREATURE_TILE}}}}|
|color={{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|COLOR}}
|name=[[DF2012:Dwarf|Dwarf]]
|hostile={{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PRONE_TO_RAGE}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|LARGE_PREDATOR}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BENIGN}}|No|Variable}}}}}}
|food={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|INTELLIGENT}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CAN_LEARN}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|NOT_BUTCHERABLE}}|1|0}}|No|Yes}}
|size={{bodysize|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}}}
|value={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET_EXOTIC}}|1|0}}|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PETVALUE}}|Not tameable}}
|biome={{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME}}|{{#eval:{{#df_foreachtag:{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME|<nowiki></nowiki>
* {{#delay:BiomeToken|\2}}}}}}|<nowiki></nowiki>
* None}}
|note=}}

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::(This would also require regenerating the creatures page manually whenever the template is updated.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I hadn't thought to substitute it. I actually have the wikimarkup necessary ready on my hard drive - yes, I was crazy enough to try it, and it only too about twenty minutes too. Would have been ten if I had written a program to scrub the number values out, but I was lazy...gimmie a sec to upload it on my drive. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-vLigamtNE6S3lfRkhidk9MLVk/edit?usp=sharing Here you go]. I might do this myself tomorrow, actually. When I tried to serve it directly onto the wiki the page was understandably non-responsive past about fifteen of these entries (I didn't except the server to break ''that'' easily...). [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
::If we get the rest of this working it looks like HFS creatures should probably still be done by hand as they're not specific creatures but rather categories. --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 12:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== With a few modifications... ==

...[[Template:Urist asks|I'm so using this]] :) [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I completely forgot about that. :) I think I fixed the problem with the misaligned "D", so go ahead and use it if you want. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
== Bot test ==
Hello! --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (minor edit) (bot edit)

== Editing the Masterwork buildings dropdown menu ==

Hi there!
I'm quite new to the wiki editing scene and I don't know how to modify the dropdown menu which is at the ending of every article in the buildings section for MDF....
I'd like to ad the category "Vanilla" to the dropdown menu... Maybe you can help me,
Thanks in advance!!
--[[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:That's a template — it's included in the article in the place of <nowiki>{{buildings}}</nowiki>, which makes it easier to add the box to an article without copying and pasting the entire thing. Normally the template you'd edit would be located at [[Template:Buildings]], but this is a weird template that redirects to a different template based on the article's namespace. The actual template you'd need to edit is [[Template:Masterwork buildings]] — feel free to try adding links, and I'll help you fix them if it doesn't work. (Also, don't worry about creating a lot of new pages — I can get a bot to do that.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thank you for your quick answer. I will try to complete the buildings section for MDf in the next few weeks... This will help me a lot. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Page requests ==

Regarding [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Page_request/Redirect&diff=191684&oldid=189271 this edit comment], perhaps some clarification or an example request is in order.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:Darn. I know why that happened - I'd re-organized the pages to be displayed above the editing area (on a separate wiki), but only the templates imported correctly, and I forgot to re-import the other pages. -_- --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::This should be resolved now. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== version switch ==

Your bot seems to have wiped out a number of page differences in applying this update. Examples include:

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Buildings&diff=191742&oldid=190354 Buildings], where <nowiki>{{interwiki|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}{{Category|Buildings}}</nowiki> was removed

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Creatures&diff=191755&oldid=188283 Creatures], which had been updated to avoid template loops and pass in a categorization parameter

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Vermin&diff=191754&oldid=183964 Vermin], which had been similarly updated

I suspect a number of the others also had "peculiarities" which were similarly discarded.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for re-adding the category parameters — I only checked a couple of the templates, to make sure they were working, and I must have overlooked those. (I'll try to be more careful with my bot edits in the future.) I re-added {{tl|Interwiki}} to {{tl|Buildings}}, but I think {{<nowiki/>Category|Buildings}} should ideally go on the version-specific building templates (which is what {{tl|Masterwork buildings}} does), or possibly somewhere in {{tl|version switch}} (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Category|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}}}</nowiki></code>, which would eliminate the need to insert {{<nowiki/>Category}} into all of the navboxes).<br> By the way, what "template loops" are you referring to? I don't remember seeing any issues with vermin/creature pages (although they could have been cached when I checked). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

::When calling any of the templates from mainspace (e.g. [[Boar]]), <nowiki>{{namespace}}</nowiki> evaluates to nothing, so <nowiki>{{Creatures}}</nowiki> expands to <nowiki>{{ {{namespace}} Creatures}}</nowiki>, then evaluates to "<nowiki>{{ Creatures}}</nowiki>", repeating and causing a template loop.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Raw ripping ==

Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a lot of raws from the server. Fortunately, they're usually cached once they're generated, so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the server. However, you should avoid including extremely large raws - [[Masterwork:Golem]] is an example of this.
: > Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
: It would be hard. There are some file upload extensions on MediaWiki, but nearly all of them are unstable. There's a PHP script that can accomplish this, if you have access to the server (which I don't). Also, there's the possibility that images might change, which would require re-uploading some of them.
: > I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
: [[Tileset repository|Tilesets]] are much easier than [[graphics set]]s, since graphics sets require looking up information about each image. I've managed to make an extension that can display images with tilesets in-browser (with JavaScript), so that's definitely possible. Using the MDF tilesets would take more effort, since they use transparency, but it shouldn't be too hard (assuming I can figure out the composition algorithms).
: > In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter?
: This sounds like it would be really useful, but I haven't figured out a way to do it yet (wiki syntax is challenging, especially once you start nesting 20+ templates). It should be possible, though, as long as all of the information is in the raws somewhere (it's easiest if it's all in the same file, since DFRawFunctions only works with one file at a time).
: Actually, maybe something like this could be used to generate images for workshops, instead of uploading pictures of every one. It would be really nice to reduce the amount of template editing needed to supply basic information about workshops (and other types of pages, like [[iron]].)
: So, in summary, extracting more information from the raws is possible. It would be hard, especially once you try formatting it, but it's definitely possible.
: --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 14:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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> you should avoid including extremely large raws
Hm, that may be troublematic. In worst case it's possible to make shorter versions of raws.
> used to generate images for workshops
Currently working on that :P. Included [[Template:Tile]] and such in script to avoid long long nesty template chains. Function takes workshop TILE values, transforms them into UTF-8 code, and presents neatly. Shall add coloring in nearest future.--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
}}
* BTW, how do you make mediawiki show &#x263A -like unicode symbols?
::☺ (&#x263A;) works for me. Are you using a template? Some templates, like {{tl|diagram}}, process individual characters (&, #, ... ;) before the browser can process them as entities (&#...;). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* <s>Padding issue. With no way to insert line breaks from template, I get either [https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uwt4wr5chk5xje/screenshoot_00356.jpg this] or [https://www.dropbox.com/s/hemzqi0jghcwv2n/screenshoot_00357.jpg that]. Any way around you possibly know?</s>
: Nevermind, did it by [https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgdy51k57r56bdb/screenshoot_00358.jpg xHTML]. Script is fully operational and ready for testing.
::Personally, I prefer using actual HTML tags (<table>, <td>, etc.) over MediaWiki tables for this reason, since they don't need newlines, but it looks like you got it working. Nice work! --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
* Here is another [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/Building%20%E2%80%94%20Asva.htm problem]. Table works fine in most cases. But when borders are missing (check incomplete building), the alignment messes up true location of tiles. Any helpful ideas, by chance? Here is the table config I use: <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold">
::The source code (wikitext) would make it easier for me to test it on my own. From my experiences with {{tl|Diagram}}, though, it looks like each <td> element requires some CSS as well. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
{| border="1" align="right"
|-
|<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>||<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╒</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╚</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>
|}
:::The source code is nothing but html... But oh, well.
:::I managed to fix those empty spaces. What I did is just exchanged tile "32" from conversion table with [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML/emptycells.html no-break space] (&#160;).
:::Though, I still can't fiqure the way to get rid of borders at top and bottom of tiles.
* On a different matter. Played a bit with tilesets. Seems, no javascript is required:

Arrow:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-21px;left:-16px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Bush:
<div style="background:#00CC00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-32px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Something:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
2,3,1:
<div style="background:#0000FF;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-53px;left:-32px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div><div style="background:#FF0000;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div><div style="background:#00FF00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-16px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]</div></div>

Though the padding is a bit weird. Somewhy for "arrow" and "2" it is not dividable by 16. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 11:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

* I'm almost done. Here's the [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00364.jpg result]. And that's how it looks after I save the page [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00365.jpg =.=]. Same syntax as before. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:28, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, nice work. A few things I've noticed about the tiles, though - they don't seem to support non-square tilesets or different foreground colors. :( Personally, I'd prefer to use JavaScript for this (assuming I can get transparency to work) but the CSS works a lot better than I expected.

(And by the way, the "Close" button at the bottom of the [https://github.com/quietust/DFRawFunctions/pull/3 pull request] is probably what you're looking for.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

:> support non-square tilesets

:Probably fixaeble. Non square big tiles can be squarified. That will make messy code even messier...

:Foreground colors? You mean, for monochrome tilesets? I don't think supporting these would be of any merit. For workshop articles, ascii and graphic tiles are plenty. Only implementation - would be tricky option, allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list.

:Surely, clean javascript would suit much better.

:PS Thanks for github editing and supportive information. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 18:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

::I was referring to the text color - for example, the background color of the numbers above (2,3,1) can easily be changed to red, green, and blue, but the colors of the numbers themselves are still white (I'm not even sure if it's possible to do this in CSS, although it could be). You're probably right about workshops not needing them, though.
::> allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list
::Definitely possible with an extension (could be added in [[Special:Preferences]] somewhere, for example), although it would require at least some JS to modify the CSS appropriately. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
::: I'm talking about [[Graphics_set_repository|graphics sets]]. You can't possibly change color without turning them into monochrome+alpha. Which is weird and probably bothersome.
::: While for [[Tileset_repository|tilesets]] the idea is valid.
* While working on items I encountered tags like FIRE_BUILD_SAFE, NEEDS_MAGMA, WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY. Don't you have an idea, how those can be put in workshop or item template without taking too much space?
* About huge tables (f.e. workshop | buildmat | tiled image | build profession). Is it possible to make them editable only by your bot? Like, simply update once new version arrives? Otherwise large tables may hurt server costs.

Hi.
I remade the previous script a bit. Now it uses global array of objects. Which means, to get any output you'll have to:
* <nowiki>{{load files}}</nowiki>
* <nowiki>{{process files}}</nowiki>
* <nowiki>{{output files}}</nowiki>
Beforehead, I passed all data for every function just to avoid excessive file loading. Was hectic, hard to debug, hard to process.
As for now, stuff seems much brighter. For instance, I can make <nowiki>{{show me errors}}</nowiki> wiki template without much ado.
So, back to globals, is it a good idea (safety-wise)? Won't it break something?

BTW, I decided on quietust's functionality. I'll left it intact. Won't touch a thing. I'll use only one parser template, which is {{#df:}}. Approved, sir?

User talk:Lethosor

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==Templates==
Nice work on the rounded box templates! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 08:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I guess I had a little too much time on my hands. Does the formatting look ok? I think I screwed it up once or twice, but the main page looks all right now. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User_talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 13:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

==Variations==
I like your solution to the creature variation problem. It's much simpler than what I had in mind, and, at least for the current batch of creatures, works quite well. Great job! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] 20:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Duplicated History ==

Yeah, I noted that as well and decided it wasn't actually a major enough issue worth redoing everything I was doing to the database (since it already took almost 7 hours of lock time :(. If there are other issues, I can revert back, but I'll want to do it before tonightish, so we don't loose a lot of data. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
: And then I changed my mind and reverted. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::And now I just realized I should have just nuked the caches to fix the problem. Oh well. I'll re-try the upgrade later :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I rolled back the database maintenance / upgrade because of the issue you pointed out. Thanks for alerting me :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

As to what just happened: cache collision >.> - Should be fixed now, sorry . --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks. I thought I was commenting on the wrong page for a second there. Looks good now :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 01:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Rater ==

Left a note at [[User_talk:Lethosor/rater.js]] for you :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Skill tree for DF masterwork ==

What do you think about adding a new skill tree for the new skills? Could be usefull... [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:You mean like {{nocats|{{DF2012 skills}}}}? --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 20:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Yes, I think it could be usefull. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 11:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== Flying Spawn Mechanics (RedReign) ==

Hi, Lethosor,

It appears you made a small modification to what I recently wrote on the DF2012:Flying page. You wrote that it only affects underground creatures, not surface fliers.

However, after doing some !science!, I have discovered that above-ground flying creatures DO, in fact, stop spawning if I wall off every edge tile at every possible z-level above ground.

Obviously there is a conflict with the information we have. I'd like to resolve this, since I spent a lot of time and effort recently working on a project similar to those at Oceanshoots on the forums. I mean this with utmost sincerity - if you are certain that you have only seen the walling-off method to affect underground fliers, perhaps we can find what was different between our experiences, and why we were getting different results. :)

Cheers!
RedReign {{sign|RedReign}}

:Ah, I didn't realize you meant using bridges instead of walls (walls can't be built within 5 tiles of the map edge above ground, but will work underground). You're correct, drawbridges will keep creatures from spawning above ground. Sorry about the confusion there. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 13:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for help! ==

Cool, Thanks for the tip on deleting pages! [[User:Smakemupagus|Smakemupagus]] ([[User talk:Smakemupagus|talk]]) 20:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template use in german translated Wiki ==

Nice Template the {{tl|av}} I would like to adope it for the german wiki but I am not sure if I have something to change, I hate to change existing Templates on my own. and a complete list of widly used templates that need copy for similar look of translated articles would be nice to. Thanks in advance.
:Most templates on this wiki should work on other wikis. For {{tl|av}} to work, you (or an admin) need to add [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces/de namespaces] to your wiki (<code>DF2012</code>, <code>v0.31</code>, <code>40d</code>, and <code>23a</code> are the names we use, but you can change those on your wiki). I can help out with some extra templates if you want, but I'd need an account. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::I will redict your request (may be we sould make it more accessible for poeple will to help), a reqest for for adding the missing namespaces in youre wiki is done, but pending. i have manage to get some templates to work (I realy hate complex wiki templates, so much space for mistakes) but a whole bunch is missing atm. also I not sure If I could replace all masterwork - tattered wich their Meisterwerk - abgenutzt counterparts without breaking some/all template that rely on that. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::: You have an account now, nick is same, but i haven't to tell your temp passphrase yet. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: I havn't find a way to give you your temp passphrase for german wiki, are you avaible via eMail or Teamspeak (can't use skype not safe any longer). [[Special:Contributions/79.242.128.219|79.242.128.219]] 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: I guess you could [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=85402 send me a message] on the forums, if you have an account there.<br>By the way, I'm not very good at German, but I can try helping out with the templates anyway :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== AV / Masterwork color scheme ==

Would you consider adding a unique color scheme to the ArticleVersion template for articles in the Masterwork namespace? Currently they share the same light green color scheme as articles the DF2012 namespace, but I think it would be beneficial to distinguish them visually with their own color scheme. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

:What color were you thinking of? I was thinking of purple (it's the only scheme I haven't used yet from [[Template:Quality]]), but I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

::I was originally thinking light yellow, but a light purple should work fine. It probably shouldn't be quite as dark as the "Superior" background (the AV box is rather larger, and a dark color could prove overbearing), but bump it towards white a bit and it'd fit with the other colors. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

<table id="testtable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #e4ccff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: e4ccff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #f5e5ff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: f5e5ff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable3" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #db8; background: #fff5ee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about an '''older version''' of DF.</font><br>color: fff5ee</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable4" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #bd8; background: #f5ffee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about the current version of DF.</font><br>color: f5ffee</td></tr></table>

:::This should be implemented now. Feel free to tweak some of the colors if you want (the highlight color for the Masterwork link is a bit off). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== I have no idea what I'm doing. ==

Thanks for the feedback! I have no idea what I'm doing. I've never gotten into editing wikis before and I don't even know if this will reach you correctly. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Masterwork mod: minimize number of leather types. Maximize number of parrot types. XP --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

:I saw your recent edits to the Masterwork creature pages to move <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> after the sidebar. I've incorporated the change into the chunk of text that I blindly copy and paste to make new creature pages. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== New template for the Creature page tables ==

I've made a new template that pulls all the creature information from the raws for inclusion into those creature tables. Let me know what you think: [[Template:Creature_row]] --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 18:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, because of the number of creatures in the game, dynamically compiling the creature tables will hammer the server with hundreds of requests to generate the page. I suspect this is something that is better precompiled by editors, even though it means slightly more maintenance. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:mw:help:subst|Substituting]] the templates might be a workable alternative, although generating the wiki markup to do so would still take some work:
<pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{subst:creature row|name=Dwarf|namespace=DF2012}}
</pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{CreatureCurrent table row
|symbol={{char|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CREATURE_TILE}}}}|
|color={{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|COLOR}}
|name=[[DF2012:Dwarf|Dwarf]]
|hostile={{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PRONE_TO_RAGE}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|LARGE_PREDATOR}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BENIGN}}|No|Variable}}}}}}
|food={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|INTELLIGENT}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CAN_LEARN}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|NOT_BUTCHERABLE}}|1|0}}|No|Yes}}
|size={{bodysize|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}}}
|value={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET_EXOTIC}}|1|0}}|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PETVALUE}}|Not tameable}}
|biome={{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME}}|{{#eval:{{#df_foreachtag:{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME|<nowiki></nowiki>
* {{#delay:BiomeToken|\2}}}}}}|<nowiki></nowiki>
* None}}
|note=}}

|}
::(This would also require regenerating the creatures page manually whenever the template is updated.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I hadn't thought to substitute it. I actually have the wikimarkup necessary ready on my hard drive - yes, I was crazy enough to try it, and it only too about twenty minutes too. Would have been ten if I had written a program to scrub the number values out, but I was lazy...gimmie a sec to upload it on my drive. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-vLigamtNE6S3lfRkhidk9MLVk/edit?usp=sharing Here you go]. I might do this myself tomorrow, actually. When I tried to serve it directly onto the wiki the page was understandably non-responsive past about fifteen of these entries (I didn't except the server to break ''that'' easily...). [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
::If we get the rest of this working it looks like HFS creatures should probably still be done by hand as they're not specific creatures but rather categories. --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 12:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== With a few modifications... ==

...[[Template:Urist asks|I'm so using this]] :) [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I completely forgot about that. :) I think I fixed the problem with the misaligned "D", so go ahead and use it if you want. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
== Bot test ==
Hello! --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (minor edit) (bot edit)

== Editing the Masterwork buildings dropdown menu ==

Hi there!
I'm quite new to the wiki editing scene and I don't know how to modify the dropdown menu which is at the ending of every article in the buildings section for MDF....
I'd like to ad the category "Vanilla" to the dropdown menu... Maybe you can help me,
Thanks in advance!!
--[[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:That's a template — it's included in the article in the place of <nowiki>{{buildings}}</nowiki>, which makes it easier to add the box to an article without copying and pasting the entire thing. Normally the template you'd edit would be located at [[Template:Buildings]], but this is a weird template that redirects to a different template based on the article's namespace. The actual template you'd need to edit is [[Template:Masterwork buildings]] — feel free to try adding links, and I'll help you fix them if it doesn't work. (Also, don't worry about creating a lot of new pages — I can get a bot to do that.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thank you for your quick answer. I will try to complete the buildings section for MDf in the next few weeks... This will help me a lot. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Page requests ==

Regarding [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Page_request/Redirect&diff=191684&oldid=189271 this edit comment], perhaps some clarification or an example request is in order.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:Darn. I know why that happened - I'd re-organized the pages to be displayed above the editing area (on a separate wiki), but only the templates imported correctly, and I forgot to re-import the other pages. -_- --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::This should be resolved now. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== version switch ==

Your bot seems to have wiped out a number of page differences in applying this update. Examples include:

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Buildings&diff=191742&oldid=190354 Buildings], where <nowiki>{{interwiki|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}{{Category|Buildings}}</nowiki> was removed

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Creatures&diff=191755&oldid=188283 Creatures], which had been updated to avoid template loops and pass in a categorization parameter

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Vermin&diff=191754&oldid=183964 Vermin], which had been similarly updated

I suspect a number of the others also had "peculiarities" which were similarly discarded.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for re-adding the category parameters — I only checked a couple of the templates, to make sure they were working, and I must have overlooked those. (I'll try to be more careful with my bot edits in the future.) I re-added {{tl|Interwiki}} to {{tl|Buildings}}, but I think {{<nowiki/>Category|Buildings}} should ideally go on the version-specific building templates (which is what {{tl|Masterwork buildings}} does), or possibly somewhere in {{tl|version switch}} (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Category|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}}}</nowiki></code>, which would eliminate the need to insert {{<nowiki/>Category}} into all of the navboxes).<br> By the way, what "template loops" are you referring to? I don't remember seeing any issues with vermin/creature pages (although they could have been cached when I checked). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

::When calling any of the templates from mainspace (e.g. [[Boar]]), <nowiki>{{namespace}}</nowiki> evaluates to nothing, so <nowiki>{{Creatures}}</nowiki> expands to <nowiki>{{ {{namespace}} Creatures}}</nowiki>, then evaluates to "<nowiki>{{ Creatures}}</nowiki>", repeating and causing a template loop.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Raw ripping ==

Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a lot of raws from the server. Fortunately, they're usually cached once they're generated, so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the server. However, you should avoid including extremely large raws - [[Masterwork:Golem]] is an example of this.
: > Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
: It would be hard. There are some file upload extensions on MediaWiki, but nearly all of them are unstable. There's a PHP script that can accomplish this, if you have access to the server (which I don't). Also, there's the possibility that images might change, which would require re-uploading some of them.
: > I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
: [[Tileset repository|Tilesets]] are much easier than [[graphics set]]s, since graphics sets require looking up information about each image. I've managed to make an extension that can display images with tilesets in-browser (with JavaScript), so that's definitely possible. Using the MDF tilesets would take more effort, since they use transparency, but it shouldn't be too hard (assuming I can figure out the composition algorithms).
: > In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter?
: This sounds like it would be really useful, but I haven't figured out a way to do it yet (wiki syntax is challenging, especially once you start nesting 20+ templates). It should be possible, though, as long as all of the information is in the raws somewhere (it's easiest if it's all in the same file, since DFRawFunctions only works with one file at a time).
: Actually, maybe something like this could be used to generate images for workshops, instead of uploading pictures of every one. It would be really nice to reduce the amount of template editing needed to supply basic information about workshops (and other types of pages, like [[iron]].)
: So, in summary, extracting more information from the raws is possible. It would be hard, especially once you try formatting it, but it's definitely possible.
: --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 14:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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> you should avoid including extremely large raws
Hm, that may be troublematic. In worst case it's possible to make shorter versions of raws.
> used to generate images for workshops
Currently working on that :P. Included [[Template:Tile]] and such in script to avoid long long nesty template chains. Function takes workshop TILE values, transforms them into UTF-8 code, and presents neatly. Shall add coloring in nearest future.--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
}}
* BTW, how do you make mediawiki show &#x263A -like unicode symbols?
::☺ (&#x263A;) works for me. Are you using a template? Some templates, like {{tl|diagram}}, process individual characters (&, #, ... ;) before the browser can process them as entities (&#...;). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* <s>Padding issue. With no way to insert line breaks from template, I get either [https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uwt4wr5chk5xje/screenshoot_00356.jpg this] or [https://www.dropbox.com/s/hemzqi0jghcwv2n/screenshoot_00357.jpg that]. Any way around you possibly know?</s>
: Nevermind, did it by [https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgdy51k57r56bdb/screenshoot_00358.jpg xHTML]. Script is fully operational and ready for testing.
::Personally, I prefer using actual HTML tags (<table>, <td>, etc.) over MediaWiki tables for this reason, since they don't need newlines, but it looks like you got it working. Nice work! --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
* Here is another [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/Building%20%E2%80%94%20Asva.htm problem]. Table works fine in most cases. But when borders are missing (check incomplete building), the alignment messes up true location of tiles. Any helpful ideas, by chance? Here is the table config I use: <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold">
::The source code (wikitext) would make it easier for me to test it on my own. From my experiences with {{tl|Diagram}}, though, it looks like each <td> element requires some CSS as well. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
{| border="1" align="right"
|-
|<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>||<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╒</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╚</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>
|}
:::The source code is nothing but html... But oh, well.
:::I managed to fix those empty spaces. What I did is just exchanged tile "32" from conversion table with [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML/emptycells.html no-break space] (&#160;).
:::Though, I still can't fiqure the way to get rid of borders at top and bottom of tiles.
* On a different matter. Played a bit with tilesets. Seems, no javascript is required:

Arrow:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-21px;left:-16px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Bush:
<div style="background:#00CC00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-32px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Something:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
2,3,1:
<div style="background:#0000FF;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-53px;left:-32px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div><div style="background:#FF0000;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div><div style="background:#00FF00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-16px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]</div></div>

Though the padding is a bit weird. Somewhy for "arrow" and "2" it is not dividable by 16. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 11:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

* I'm almost done. Here's the [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00364.jpg result]. And that's how it looks after I save the page [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00365.jpg =.=]. Same syntax as before. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:28, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, nice work. A few things I've noticed about the tiles, though - they don't seem to support non-square tilesets or different foreground colors. :( Personally, I'd prefer to use JavaScript for this (assuming I can get transparency to work) but the CSS works a lot better than I expected.

(And by the way, the "Close" button at the bottom of the [https://github.com/quietust/DFRawFunctions/pull/3 pull request] is probably what you're looking for.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

:> support non-square tilesets

:Probably fixaeble. Non square big tiles can be squarified. That will make messy code even messier...

:Foreground colors? You mean, for monochrome tilesets? I don't think supporting these would be of any merit. For workshop articles, ascii and graphic tiles are plenty. Only implementation - would be tricky option, allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list.

:Surely, clean javascript would suit much better.

:PS Thanks for github editing and supportive information. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 18:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

::I was referring to the text color - for example, the background color of the numbers above (2,3,1) can easily be changed to red, green, and blue, but the colors of the numbers themselves are still white (I'm not even sure if it's possible to do this in CSS, although it could be). You're probably right about workshops not needing them, though.
::> allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list
::Definitely possible with an extension (could be added in [[Special:Preferences]] somewhere, for example), although it would require at least some JS to modify the CSS appropriately. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
::: I'm talking about [[Graphics_set_repository|graphics sets]]. You can't possibly change color without turning them into monochrome+alpha. Which is weird and probably bothersome.
::: While for [[Tileset_repository|tilesets]] the idea is valid.
* While working on items I encountered tags like FIRE_BUILD_SAFE, NEEDS_MAGMA, WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY. Don't you have an idea, how those can be put in workshop or item template without taking too much space?
* About huge tables (f.e. workshop | buildmat | tiled image | build profession). Is it possible to make them editable only by your bot? Like, simply update once new version arrives? Otherwise large tables may hurt server costs.

Hi.
I remade the previous script a bit. Now it uses global array of objects. Which means, to get any output you'll have to:
* <nowiki>{{load files}}</nowiki>
* <nowiki>{{process files}}</nowiki>
* <nowiki>{{output files}}</nowiki>
Beforehead, I passed all data for every function just to avoid excessive file loading. Was hectic, hard to debug, hard to process.
As for now, stuff seems much brighter. For instance, I can make <nowiki>{{show me errors}}</nowiki> wiki template without much ado.
So, back to globals, is it a good idea (safety-wise)? Won't it break something?

BTW, I decided on quietust's functionality. I'll left it intact. Won't touch a thing. I'll use only one parser template, which is {{#df:}}. Approved, sir?

Template:Abbr/doc

2013-09-24T13:34:56Z

Asva: Created page with "{{Documentation subpage}}__NOTOC__  {{tl|abbr}} is used to define an abbreviation or acronym by creatin..."

{{Documentation subpage}}__NOTOC__

{{tl|abbr}} is used to define an abbreviation or acronym by creating a [[tooltip]] that is displayed on mouse-over. The template uses the [[HTML]] [[HTML element#General phrase elements|<abbr>]] element and is supported by most browsers.

== Usage ==
{{tl|abbr}} takes two unnamed parameters, in order:
* ''short form'': shows as text
* ''long form'': shows as the tooltip

Named parameters:
* '''IPA''' or '''i''': Applies {{tl|IPA}} to fix strings in the [[International Phonetic Alphabet]] rendered in Internet Explorer on Windows XP.
* '''unicode''' or '''u''': applies {{tl|unicode}} to fix strings in Unicode rendered in Internet Explorer on Windows XP.
* '''class''': adds an HTML class
* '''id''': adds an HTML id

== Examples ==

{{markup
|<nowiki>{{abbr|MSLP|Mean Sea Level Pressure}}</nowiki>
|{{abbr|MSLP|Mean Sea Level Pressure}}
}}

When hovering over the text "MSLP" then something like <span style="border: black 1px solid;padding:2px;background-color:#fffbe1;">Mean Sea Level Pressure</span> will appear as a tooltip in most browsers. Popular [[screen readers]], used by visually impaired readers, display the long form in a different way.

{{markup
|<nowiki>{{abbr|pȅći • пе̏ћи|to say}}</nowiki>
|{{abbr|pȅći • пе̏ћи|to say}}

|<nowiki>{{abbr|pȅći • пе̏ћи|to say|unicode}}</nowiki>
|{{abbr|pȅći • пе̏ћи|to say|unicode}}
}}

{{markup
|<nowiki>{{abbr|UK|United Kingdom|class=country-name|id=foobar}}</nowiki>
|{{abbr|UK|United Kingdom|class=country-name|id=foobar}}
}}

== Accessibility concerns ==
This template is intended for use with abbreviations; it is not intended to be a tool for generating tooltips. The [[Web Content Accessibility Guidelines]] contain guidelines for using the {{tag|abbr|o}} element generated by this template; see section [http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H28.html H28: Providing definitions for abbreviations by using the abbr and acronym elements].

== Redirects ==
The following template names [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect]] to this one:
* {{Tl|Define}}
* {{Tl|Explain}}
* {{Tl|Tooltip}}

== Template data ==
{{TemplateDataHeader}}
<TemplateData>
{
"description": "This template defines an abbreviation or acronym by creating a tooltip that is displayed on mouse-over.",
"params": {
"1": {
"label": "Short form",
"description": "Shows as text",
"type": "string",
"required": true
},
"2": {
"label": "Long form",
"description": "Shows as a tooltip",
"type": "string",
"required": true
},
"IPA": {
"label": "IPA",
"description": "Applies {{IPA}} to fix strings in the International Phonetic Alphabet rendered in Internet Explorer on Windows XP",
"type": "string",
"required": false
},
"unicode": {
"label": "Unicode",
"description": "Applies {{unicode}} to fix strings in Unicode rendered in Internet Explorer on Windows XP",
"type": "string",
"required": false
},
"class": {
"label": "Class",
"description": "Adds an HTML class",
"type": "string",
"required": false
},
"id": {
"label": "ID",
"description": "Adds an HTML id",
"type": "string",
"required": false
}
}
}
</TemplateData>

== See also ==
* {{tl|Abbrlink}}- applies a wikilink to the content
* {{tl|R-phrase}}- generates the abbreviation for an [[European Union|EU]] [[List of R-phrases|R-phrase]] with a tooltip of the full text and a link to the description in [[List of R-phrases]].
* {{tl|Clarify}}

<includeonly>

[[Category:Wikipedia XHTML tag replacing templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:Semantic markup templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]

</includeonly>

Template:Abbr

2013-09-24T13:34:41Z

Asva: Abbreviation template, taken from wikipedia.

<abbr {{#if:{{{class|}}}|class="{{{class}}}"}} {{#if:{{{id|}}}|id="{{{id}}}"}} title="{{#tag:nowiki|{{{2|}}}}}">{{#switch: {{{3|}}}
| u | unicode | Unicode = {{ unicode |{{{1|}}}}}
| i | IPA = {{ IPA |{{{1|}}}}}
| {{{1|}}} }}</abbr><noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>

User talk:Lethosor

2013-09-15T12:23:58Z

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==Templates==
Nice work on the rounded box templates! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 08:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I guess I had a little too much time on my hands. Does the formatting look ok? I think I screwed it up once or twice, but the main page looks all right now. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User_talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 13:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

==Variations==
I like your solution to the creature variation problem. It's much simpler than what I had in mind, and, at least for the current batch of creatures, works quite well. Great job! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] 20:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Duplicated History ==

Yeah, I noted that as well and decided it wasn't actually a major enough issue worth redoing everything I was doing to the database (since it already took almost 7 hours of lock time :(. If there are other issues, I can revert back, but I'll want to do it before tonightish, so we don't loose a lot of data. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
: And then I changed my mind and reverted. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::And now I just realized I should have just nuked the caches to fix the problem. Oh well. I'll re-try the upgrade later :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I rolled back the database maintenance / upgrade because of the issue you pointed out. Thanks for alerting me :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

As to what just happened: cache collision >.> - Should be fixed now, sorry . --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks. I thought I was commenting on the wrong page for a second there. Looks good now :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 01:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Rater ==

Left a note at [[User_talk:Lethosor/rater.js]] for you :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Skill tree for DF masterwork ==

What do you think about adding a new skill tree for the new skills? Could be usefull... [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:You mean like {{nocats|{{DF2012 skills}}}}? --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 20:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Yes, I think it could be usefull. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 11:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== Flying Spawn Mechanics (RedReign) ==

Hi, Lethosor,

It appears you made a small modification to what I recently wrote on the DF2012:Flying page. You wrote that it only affects underground creatures, not surface fliers.

However, after doing some !science!, I have discovered that above-ground flying creatures DO, in fact, stop spawning if I wall off every edge tile at every possible z-level above ground.

Obviously there is a conflict with the information we have. I'd like to resolve this, since I spent a lot of time and effort recently working on a project similar to those at Oceanshoots on the forums. I mean this with utmost sincerity - if you are certain that you have only seen the walling-off method to affect underground fliers, perhaps we can find what was different between our experiences, and why we were getting different results. :)

Cheers!
RedReign {{sign|RedReign}}

:Ah, I didn't realize you meant using bridges instead of walls (walls can't be built within 5 tiles of the map edge above ground, but will work underground). You're correct, drawbridges will keep creatures from spawning above ground. Sorry about the confusion there. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 13:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for help! ==

Cool, Thanks for the tip on deleting pages! [[User:Smakemupagus|Smakemupagus]] ([[User talk:Smakemupagus|talk]]) 20:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template use in german translated Wiki ==

Nice Template the {{tl|av}} I would like to adope it for the german wiki but I am not sure if I have something to change, I hate to change existing Templates on my own. and a complete list of widly used templates that need copy for similar look of translated articles would be nice to. Thanks in advance.
:Most templates on this wiki should work on other wikis. For {{tl|av}} to work, you (or an admin) need to add [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces/de namespaces] to your wiki (<code>DF2012</code>, <code>v0.31</code>, <code>40d</code>, and <code>23a</code> are the names we use, but you can change those on your wiki). I can help out with some extra templates if you want, but I'd need an account. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::I will redict your request (may be we sould make it more accessible for poeple will to help), a reqest for for adding the missing namespaces in youre wiki is done, but pending. i have manage to get some templates to work (I realy hate complex wiki templates, so much space for mistakes) but a whole bunch is missing atm. also I not sure If I could replace all masterwork - tattered wich their Meisterwerk - abgenutzt counterparts without breaking some/all template that rely on that. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::: You have an account now, nick is same, but i haven't to tell your temp passphrase yet. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: I havn't find a way to give you your temp passphrase for german wiki, are you avaible via eMail or Teamspeak (can't use skype not safe any longer). [[Special:Contributions/79.242.128.219|79.242.128.219]] 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: I guess you could [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=85402 send me a message] on the forums, if you have an account there.<br>By the way, I'm not very good at German, but I can try helping out with the templates anyway :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== AV / Masterwork color scheme ==

Would you consider adding a unique color scheme to the ArticleVersion template for articles in the Masterwork namespace? Currently they share the same light green color scheme as articles the DF2012 namespace, but I think it would be beneficial to distinguish them visually with their own color scheme. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

:What color were you thinking of? I was thinking of purple (it's the only scheme I haven't used yet from [[Template:Quality]]), but I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

::I was originally thinking light yellow, but a light purple should work fine. It probably shouldn't be quite as dark as the "Superior" background (the AV box is rather larger, and a dark color could prove overbearing), but bump it towards white a bit and it'd fit with the other colors. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

<table id="testtable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #e4ccff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: e4ccff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #f5e5ff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: f5e5ff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable3" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #db8; background: #fff5ee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about an '''older version''' of DF.</font><br>color: fff5ee</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable4" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #bd8; background: #f5ffee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about the current version of DF.</font><br>color: f5ffee</td></tr></table>

:::This should be implemented now. Feel free to tweak some of the colors if you want (the highlight color for the Masterwork link is a bit off). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== I have no idea what I'm doing. ==

Thanks for the feedback! I have no idea what I'm doing. I've never gotten into editing wikis before and I don't even know if this will reach you correctly. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Masterwork mod: minimize number of leather types. Maximize number of parrot types. XP --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

:I saw your recent edits to the Masterwork creature pages to move <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> after the sidebar. I've incorporated the change into the chunk of text that I blindly copy and paste to make new creature pages. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== New template for the Creature page tables ==

I've made a new template that pulls all the creature information from the raws for inclusion into those creature tables. Let me know what you think: [[Template:Creature_row]] --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 18:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, because of the number of creatures in the game, dynamically compiling the creature tables will hammer the server with hundreds of requests to generate the page. I suspect this is something that is better precompiled by editors, even though it means slightly more maintenance. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:mw:help:subst|Substituting]] the templates might be a workable alternative, although generating the wiki markup to do so would still take some work:
<pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{subst:creature row|name=Dwarf|namespace=DF2012}}
</pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{CreatureCurrent table row
|symbol={{char|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CREATURE_TILE}}}}|
|color={{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|COLOR}}
|name=[[DF2012:Dwarf|Dwarf]]
|hostile={{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PRONE_TO_RAGE}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|LARGE_PREDATOR}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BENIGN}}|No|Variable}}}}}}
|food={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|INTELLIGENT}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CAN_LEARN}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|NOT_BUTCHERABLE}}|1|0}}|No|Yes}}
|size={{bodysize|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}}}
|value={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET_EXOTIC}}|1|0}}|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PETVALUE}}|Not tameable}}
|biome={{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME}}|{{#eval:{{#df_foreachtag:{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME|<nowiki></nowiki>
* {{#delay:BiomeToken|\2}}}}}}|<nowiki></nowiki>
* None}}
|note=}}

|}
::(This would also require regenerating the creatures page manually whenever the template is updated.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I hadn't thought to substitute it. I actually have the wikimarkup necessary ready on my hard drive - yes, I was crazy enough to try it, and it only too about twenty minutes too. Would have been ten if I had written a program to scrub the number values out, but I was lazy...gimmie a sec to upload it on my drive. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-vLigamtNE6S3lfRkhidk9MLVk/edit?usp=sharing Here you go]. I might do this myself tomorrow, actually. When I tried to serve it directly onto the wiki the page was understandably non-responsive past about fifteen of these entries (I didn't except the server to break ''that'' easily...). [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
::If we get the rest of this working it looks like HFS creatures should probably still be done by hand as they're not specific creatures but rather categories. --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 12:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== With a few modifications... ==

...[[Template:Urist asks|I'm so using this]] :) [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I completely forgot about that. :) I think I fixed the problem with the misaligned "D", so go ahead and use it if you want. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
== Bot test ==
Hello! --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (minor edit) (bot edit)

== Editing the Masterwork buildings dropdown menu ==

Hi there!
I'm quite new to the wiki editing scene and I don't know how to modify the dropdown menu which is at the ending of every article in the buildings section for MDF....
I'd like to ad the category "Vanilla" to the dropdown menu... Maybe you can help me,
Thanks in advance!!
--[[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:That's a template — it's included in the article in the place of <nowiki>{{buildings}}</nowiki>, which makes it easier to add the box to an article without copying and pasting the entire thing. Normally the template you'd edit would be located at [[Template:Buildings]], but this is a weird template that redirects to a different template based on the article's namespace. The actual template you'd need to edit is [[Template:Masterwork buildings]] — feel free to try adding links, and I'll help you fix them if it doesn't work. (Also, don't worry about creating a lot of new pages — I can get a bot to do that.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thank you for your quick answer. I will try to complete the buildings section for MDf in the next few weeks... This will help me a lot. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Page requests ==

Regarding [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Page_request/Redirect&diff=191684&oldid=189271 this edit comment], perhaps some clarification or an example request is in order.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:Darn. I know why that happened - I'd re-organized the pages to be displayed above the editing area (on a separate wiki), but only the templates imported correctly, and I forgot to re-import the other pages. -_- --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::This should be resolved now. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== version switch ==

Your bot seems to have wiped out a number of page differences in applying this update. Examples include:

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Buildings&diff=191742&oldid=190354 Buildings], where <nowiki>{{interwiki|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}{{Category|Buildings}}</nowiki> was removed

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Creatures&diff=191755&oldid=188283 Creatures], which had been updated to avoid template loops and pass in a categorization parameter

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Vermin&diff=191754&oldid=183964 Vermin], which had been similarly updated

I suspect a number of the others also had "peculiarities" which were similarly discarded.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for re-adding the category parameters — I only checked a couple of the templates, to make sure they were working, and I must have overlooked those. (I'll try to be more careful with my bot edits in the future.) I re-added {{tl|Interwiki}} to {{tl|Buildings}}, but I think {{<nowiki/>Category|Buildings}} should ideally go on the version-specific building templates (which is what {{tl|Masterwork buildings}} does), or possibly somewhere in {{tl|version switch}} (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Category|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}}}</nowiki></code>, which would eliminate the need to insert {{<nowiki/>Category}} into all of the navboxes).<br> By the way, what "template loops" are you referring to? I don't remember seeing any issues with vermin/creature pages (although they could have been cached when I checked). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

::When calling any of the templates from mainspace (e.g. [[Boar]]), <nowiki>{{namespace}}</nowiki> evaluates to nothing, so <nowiki>{{Creatures}}</nowiki> expands to <nowiki>{{ {{namespace}} Creatures}}</nowiki>, then evaluates to "<nowiki>{{ Creatures}}</nowiki>", repeating and causing a template loop.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Raw ripping ==

Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a lot of raws from the server. Fortunately, they're usually cached once they're generated, so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the server. However, you should avoid including extremely large raws - [[Masterwork:Golem]] is an example of this.
: > Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
: It would be hard. There are some file upload extensions on MediaWiki, but nearly all of them are unstable. There's a PHP script that can accomplish this, if you have access to the server (which I don't). Also, there's the possibility that images might change, which would require re-uploading some of them.
: > I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
: [[Tileset repository|Tilesets]] are much easier than [[graphics set]]s, since graphics sets require looking up information about each image. I've managed to make an extension that can display images with tilesets in-browser (with JavaScript), so that's definitely possible. Using the MDF tilesets would take more effort, since they use transparency, but it shouldn't be too hard (assuming I can figure out the composition algorithms).
: > In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter?
: This sounds like it would be really useful, but I haven't figured out a way to do it yet (wiki syntax is challenging, especially once you start nesting 20+ templates). It should be possible, though, as long as all of the information is in the raws somewhere (it's easiest if it's all in the same file, since DFRawFunctions only works with one file at a time).
: Actually, maybe something like this could be used to generate images for workshops, instead of uploading pictures of every one. It would be really nice to reduce the amount of template editing needed to supply basic information about workshops (and other types of pages, like [[iron]].)
: So, in summary, extracting more information from the raws is possible. It would be hard, especially once you try formatting it, but it's definitely possible.
: --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 14:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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> you should avoid including extremely large raws
Hm, that may be troublematic. In worst case it's possible to make shorter versions of raws.
> used to generate images for workshops
Currently working on that :P. Included [[Template:Tile]] and such in script to avoid long long nesty template chains. Function takes workshop TILE values, transforms them into UTF-8 code, and presents neatly. Shall add coloring in nearest future.--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
}}
* BTW, how do you make mediawiki show &#x263A -like unicode symbols?
::☺ (&#x263A;) works for me. Are you using a template? Some templates, like {{tl|diagram}}, process individual characters (&, #, ... ;) before the browser can process them as entities (&#...;). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* <s>Padding issue. With no way to insert line breaks from template, I get either [https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uwt4wr5chk5xje/screenshoot_00356.jpg this] or [https://www.dropbox.com/s/hemzqi0jghcwv2n/screenshoot_00357.jpg that]. Any way around you possibly know?</s>
: Nevermind, did it by [https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgdy51k57r56bdb/screenshoot_00358.jpg xHTML]. Script is fully operational and ready for testing.
::Personally, I prefer using actual HTML tags (<table>, <td>, etc.) over MediaWiki tables for this reason, since they don't need newlines, but it looks like you got it working. Nice work! --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
* Here is another [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/Building%20%E2%80%94%20Asva.htm problem]. Table works fine in most cases. But when borders are missing (check incomplete building), the alignment messes up true location of tiles. Any helpful ideas, by chance? Here is the table config I use: <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold">
::The source code (wikitext) would make it easier for me to test it on my own. From my experiences with {{tl|Diagram}}, though, it looks like each <td> element requires some CSS as well. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
{| border="1" align="right"
|-
|<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>||<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╒</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╚</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>
|}
:::The source code is nothing but html... But oh, well.
:::I managed to fix those empty spaces. What I did is just exchanged tile "32" from conversion table with [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML/emptycells.html no-break space] (&#160;).
:::Though, I still can't fiqure the way to get rid of borders at top and bottom of tiles.
* On a different matter. Played a bit with tilesets. Seems, no javascript is required:

Arrow:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-21px;left:-16px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Bush:
<div style="background:#00CC00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-32px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Something:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
2,3,1:
<div style="background:#0000FF;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-53px;left:-32px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>

<div style="background:#FF0000;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>

<div style="background:#00FF00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-16px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>

Though the padding is a bit weird. Somewhy for "arrow" and "2" it is not dividable by 16. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 11:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

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==Templates==
Nice work on the rounded box templates! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 08:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I guess I had a little too much time on my hands. Does the formatting look ok? I think I screwed it up once or twice, but the main page looks all right now. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User_talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 13:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

==Variations==
I like your solution to the creature variation problem. It's much simpler than what I had in mind, and, at least for the current batch of creatures, works quite well. Great job! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] 20:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Duplicated History ==

Yeah, I noted that as well and decided it wasn't actually a major enough issue worth redoing everything I was doing to the database (since it already took almost 7 hours of lock time :(. If there are other issues, I can revert back, but I'll want to do it before tonightish, so we don't loose a lot of data. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
: And then I changed my mind and reverted. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::And now I just realized I should have just nuked the caches to fix the problem. Oh well. I'll re-try the upgrade later :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I rolled back the database maintenance / upgrade because of the issue you pointed out. Thanks for alerting me :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

As to what just happened: cache collision >.> - Should be fixed now, sorry . --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks. I thought I was commenting on the wrong page for a second there. Looks good now :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 01:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Rater ==

Left a note at [[User_talk:Lethosor/rater.js]] for you :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Skill tree for DF masterwork ==

What do you think about adding a new skill tree for the new skills? Could be usefull... [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:You mean like {{nocats|{{DF2012 skills}}}}? --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 20:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Yes, I think it could be usefull. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 11:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== Flying Spawn Mechanics (RedReign) ==

Hi, Lethosor,

It appears you made a small modification to what I recently wrote on the DF2012:Flying page. You wrote that it only affects underground creatures, not surface fliers.

However, after doing some !science!, I have discovered that above-ground flying creatures DO, in fact, stop spawning if I wall off every edge tile at every possible z-level above ground.

Obviously there is a conflict with the information we have. I'd like to resolve this, since I spent a lot of time and effort recently working on a project similar to those at Oceanshoots on the forums. I mean this with utmost sincerity - if you are certain that you have only seen the walling-off method to affect underground fliers, perhaps we can find what was different between our experiences, and why we were getting different results. :)

Cheers!
RedReign {{sign|RedReign}}

:Ah, I didn't realize you meant using bridges instead of walls (walls can't be built within 5 tiles of the map edge above ground, but will work underground). You're correct, drawbridges will keep creatures from spawning above ground. Sorry about the confusion there. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 13:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for help! ==

Cool, Thanks for the tip on deleting pages! [[User:Smakemupagus|Smakemupagus]] ([[User talk:Smakemupagus|talk]]) 20:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template use in german translated Wiki ==

Nice Template the {{tl|av}} I would like to adope it for the german wiki but I am not sure if I have something to change, I hate to change existing Templates on my own. and a complete list of widly used templates that need copy for similar look of translated articles would be nice to. Thanks in advance.
:Most templates on this wiki should work on other wikis. For {{tl|av}} to work, you (or an admin) need to add [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces/de namespaces] to your wiki (<code>DF2012</code>, <code>v0.31</code>, <code>40d</code>, and <code>23a</code> are the names we use, but you can change those on your wiki). I can help out with some extra templates if you want, but I'd need an account. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::I will redict your request (may be we sould make it more accessible for poeple will to help), a reqest for for adding the missing namespaces in youre wiki is done, but pending. i have manage to get some templates to work (I realy hate complex wiki templates, so much space for mistakes) but a whole bunch is missing atm. also I not sure If I could replace all masterwork - tattered wich their Meisterwerk - abgenutzt counterparts without breaking some/all template that rely on that. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::: You have an account now, nick is same, but i haven't to tell your temp passphrase yet. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: I havn't find a way to give you your temp passphrase for german wiki, are you avaible via eMail or Teamspeak (can't use skype not safe any longer). [[Special:Contributions/79.242.128.219|79.242.128.219]] 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: I guess you could [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=85402 send me a message] on the forums, if you have an account there.<br>By the way, I'm not very good at German, but I can try helping out with the templates anyway :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== AV / Masterwork color scheme ==

Would you consider adding a unique color scheme to the ArticleVersion template for articles in the Masterwork namespace? Currently they share the same light green color scheme as articles the DF2012 namespace, but I think it would be beneficial to distinguish them visually with their own color scheme. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

:What color were you thinking of? I was thinking of purple (it's the only scheme I haven't used yet from [[Template:Quality]]), but I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

::I was originally thinking light yellow, but a light purple should work fine. It probably shouldn't be quite as dark as the "Superior" background (the AV box is rather larger, and a dark color could prove overbearing), but bump it towards white a bit and it'd fit with the other colors. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

<table id="testtable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #e4ccff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: e4ccff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #f5e5ff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: f5e5ff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable3" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #db8; background: #fff5ee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about an '''older version''' of DF.</font><br>color: fff5ee</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable4" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #bd8; background: #f5ffee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about the current version of DF.</font><br>color: f5ffee</td></tr></table>

:::This should be implemented now. Feel free to tweak some of the colors if you want (the highlight color for the Masterwork link is a bit off). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== I have no idea what I'm doing. ==

Thanks for the feedback! I have no idea what I'm doing. I've never gotten into editing wikis before and I don't even know if this will reach you correctly. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Masterwork mod: minimize number of leather types. Maximize number of parrot types. XP --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

:I saw your recent edits to the Masterwork creature pages to move <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> after the sidebar. I've incorporated the change into the chunk of text that I blindly copy and paste to make new creature pages. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== New template for the Creature page tables ==

I've made a new template that pulls all the creature information from the raws for inclusion into those creature tables. Let me know what you think: [[Template:Creature_row]] --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 18:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, because of the number of creatures in the game, dynamically compiling the creature tables will hammer the server with hundreds of requests to generate the page. I suspect this is something that is better precompiled by editors, even though it means slightly more maintenance. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:mw:help:subst|Substituting]] the templates might be a workable alternative, although generating the wiki markup to do so would still take some work:
<pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{subst:creature row|name=Dwarf|namespace=DF2012}}
</pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{CreatureCurrent table row
|symbol={{char|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CREATURE_TILE}}}}|
|color={{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|COLOR}}
|name=[[DF2012:Dwarf|Dwarf]]
|hostile={{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PRONE_TO_RAGE}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|LARGE_PREDATOR}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BENIGN}}|No|Variable}}}}}}
|food={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|INTELLIGENT}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CAN_LEARN}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|NOT_BUTCHERABLE}}|1|0}}|No|Yes}}
|size={{bodysize|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}}}
|value={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET_EXOTIC}}|1|0}}|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PETVALUE}}|Not tameable}}
|biome={{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME}}|{{#eval:{{#df_foreachtag:{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME|<nowiki></nowiki>
* {{#delay:BiomeToken|\2}}}}}}|<nowiki></nowiki>
* None}}
|note=}}

|}
::(This would also require regenerating the creatures page manually whenever the template is updated.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I hadn't thought to substitute it. I actually have the wikimarkup necessary ready on my hard drive - yes, I was crazy enough to try it, and it only too about twenty minutes too. Would have been ten if I had written a program to scrub the number values out, but I was lazy...gimmie a sec to upload it on my drive. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-vLigamtNE6S3lfRkhidk9MLVk/edit?usp=sharing Here you go]. I might do this myself tomorrow, actually. When I tried to serve it directly onto the wiki the page was understandably non-responsive past about fifteen of these entries (I didn't except the server to break ''that'' easily...). [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
::If we get the rest of this working it looks like HFS creatures should probably still be done by hand as they're not specific creatures but rather categories. --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 12:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== With a few modifications... ==

...[[Template:Urist asks|I'm so using this]] :) [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I completely forgot about that. :) I think I fixed the problem with the misaligned "D", so go ahead and use it if you want. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
== Bot test ==
Hello! --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (minor edit) (bot edit)

== Editing the Masterwork buildings dropdown menu ==

Hi there!
I'm quite new to the wiki editing scene and I don't know how to modify the dropdown menu which is at the ending of every article in the buildings section for MDF....
I'd like to ad the category "Vanilla" to the dropdown menu... Maybe you can help me,
Thanks in advance!!
--[[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:That's a template — it's included in the article in the place of <nowiki>{{buildings}}</nowiki>, which makes it easier to add the box to an article without copying and pasting the entire thing. Normally the template you'd edit would be located at [[Template:Buildings]], but this is a weird template that redirects to a different template based on the article's namespace. The actual template you'd need to edit is [[Template:Masterwork buildings]] — feel free to try adding links, and I'll help you fix them if it doesn't work. (Also, don't worry about creating a lot of new pages — I can get a bot to do that.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thank you for your quick answer. I will try to complete the buildings section for MDf in the next few weeks... This will help me a lot. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Page requests ==

Regarding [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Page_request/Redirect&diff=191684&oldid=189271 this edit comment], perhaps some clarification or an example request is in order.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:Darn. I know why that happened - I'd re-organized the pages to be displayed above the editing area (on a separate wiki), but only the templates imported correctly, and I forgot to re-import the other pages. -_- --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::This should be resolved now. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== version switch ==

Your bot seems to have wiped out a number of page differences in applying this update. Examples include:

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Buildings&diff=191742&oldid=190354 Buildings], where <nowiki>{{interwiki|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}{{Category|Buildings}}</nowiki> was removed

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Creatures&diff=191755&oldid=188283 Creatures], which had been updated to avoid template loops and pass in a categorization parameter

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Vermin&diff=191754&oldid=183964 Vermin], which had been similarly updated

I suspect a number of the others also had "peculiarities" which were similarly discarded.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for re-adding the category parameters — I only checked a couple of the templates, to make sure they were working, and I must have overlooked those. (I'll try to be more careful with my bot edits in the future.) I re-added {{tl|Interwiki}} to {{tl|Buildings}}, but I think {{<nowiki/>Category|Buildings}} should ideally go on the version-specific building templates (which is what {{tl|Masterwork buildings}} does), or possibly somewhere in {{tl|version switch}} (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Category|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}}}</nowiki></code>, which would eliminate the need to insert {{<nowiki/>Category}} into all of the navboxes).<br> By the way, what "template loops" are you referring to? I don't remember seeing any issues with vermin/creature pages (although they could have been cached when I checked). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

::When calling any of the templates from mainspace (e.g. [[Boar]]), <nowiki>{{namespace}}</nowiki> evaluates to nothing, so <nowiki>{{Creatures}}</nowiki> expands to <nowiki>{{ {{namespace}} Creatures}}</nowiki>, then evaluates to "<nowiki>{{ Creatures}}</nowiki>", repeating and causing a template loop.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Raw ripping ==

Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a lot of raws from the server. Fortunately, they're usually cached once they're generated, so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the server. However, you should avoid including extremely large raws - [[Masterwork:Golem]] is an example of this.
: > Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
: It would be hard. There are some file upload extensions on MediaWiki, but nearly all of them are unstable. There's a PHP script that can accomplish this, if you have access to the server (which I don't). Also, there's the possibility that images might change, which would require re-uploading some of them.
: > I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
: [[Tileset repository|Tilesets]] are much easier than [[graphics set]]s, since graphics sets require looking up information about each image. I've managed to make an extension that can display images with tilesets in-browser (with JavaScript), so that's definitely possible. Using the MDF tilesets would take more effort, since they use transparency, but it shouldn't be too hard (assuming I can figure out the composition algorithms).
: > In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter?
: This sounds like it would be really useful, but I haven't figured out a way to do it yet (wiki syntax is challenging, especially once you start nesting 20+ templates). It should be possible, though, as long as all of the information is in the raws somewhere (it's easiest if it's all in the same file, since DFRawFunctions only works with one file at a time).
: Actually, maybe something like this could be used to generate images for workshops, instead of uploading pictures of every one. It would be really nice to reduce the amount of template editing needed to supply basic information about workshops (and other types of pages, like [[iron]].)
: So, in summary, extracting more information from the raws is possible. It would be hard, especially once you try formatting it, but it's definitely possible.
: --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 14:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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> you should avoid including extremely large raws
Hm, that may be troublematic. In worst case it's possible to make shorter versions of raws.
> used to generate images for workshops
Currently working on that :P. Included [[Template:Tile]] and such in script to avoid long long nesty template chains. Function takes workshop TILE values, transforms them into UTF-8 code, and presents neatly. Shall add coloring in nearest future.--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
}}
* BTW, how do you make mediawiki show &#x263A -like unicode symbols?
::☺ (&#x263A;) works for me. Are you using a template? Some templates, like {{tl|diagram}}, process individual characters (&, #, ... ;) before the browser can process them as entities (&#...;). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* <s>Padding issue. With no way to insert line breaks from template, I get either [https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uwt4wr5chk5xje/screenshoot_00356.jpg this] or [https://www.dropbox.com/s/hemzqi0jghcwv2n/screenshoot_00357.jpg that]. Any way around you possibly know?</s>
: Nevermind, did it by [https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgdy51k57r56bdb/screenshoot_00358.jpg xHTML]. Script is fully operational and ready for testing.
::Personally, I prefer using actual HTML tags (<table>, <td>, etc.) over MediaWiki tables for this reason, since they don't need newlines, but it looks like you got it working. Nice work! --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
* Here is another [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/Building%20%E2%80%94%20Asva.htm problem]. Table works fine in most cases. But when borders are missing (check incomplete building), the alignment messes up true location of tiles. Any helpful ideas, by chance? Here is the table config I use: <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold">
::The source code (wikitext) would make it easier for me to test it on my own. From my experiences with {{tl|Diagram}}, though, it looks like each <td> element requires some CSS as well. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
{| border="1" align="right"
|-
|<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>||<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-size:150%; font-family: 'Courier New', 'Quicktype Mono', 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Lucida Console', 'Lucida Sans Typewriter', monospace; font-weight:bold"><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╒</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╖</span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td><tr><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">ò</span></td><td><span style="color: #C0C0C0; background:#000000">╚</span></td><td><span style="color: #000000; background:#000000"> </span></td><td><span style="color: #808000; background:#000000">▌</span></td></tr><td><span style="color: ; background:"></span></td></table>
|}
:::The source code is nothing but html... But oh, well.
:::I managed to fix those empty spaces. What I did is just exchanged tile "32" from conversion table with [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/HTML/emptycells.html no-break space] (&#160;).
:::Though, I still can't fiqure the way to get rid of borders at top and bottom of tiles.
* On a different matter. Played a bit with tilesets. Seems, no javascript is required:

Arrow:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-21px;left:-16px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Bush:
<div style="background:#00CC00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-32px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
Something:
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>
2,3,1:
<div style="background:#0000FF;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-53px;left:-32px">
[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>

<div style="background:#FF0000;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>

<div style="background:#00FF00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-16px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
</div></div>

Though the padding is a bit weird. Somewhy for "arrow" and "2" it is not dividable by 16.

User talk:Lethosor

2013-09-13T20:53:08Z

Asva: /* Raw ripping */

User talk:Asva

2013-09-09T13:41:36Z

Asva:

== Parser test for workshop ==
[https://github.com/quietust/DFRawFunctions Main repository] / [https://github.com/Asvae/DFRawFunctions my repository].
That's how it looks: [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/Wiki%20parser%20test.htm HTML]

'''Woodcraft reactions:'''
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|SKILL:WOODCRAFT|NAME||}}

'''Woodcraft buildings:'''
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|SKILL:WOODCRAFT|BUILDING||}}

'''Full list of boneyard reactions:'''
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME||}}

'''Table'''
{| class="wikitable"
|-
'''{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|0|Does something.}}'''
|-
|{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|1:FORMAT|Makes something.}}
|-
|{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|2:FORMAT|Produces something.}}
|-
|}
'''Last type check:'''
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|-1|Does something.}}

'''Type check:'''
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|55:CHECK|Does something.}}

'''Figure out the keybind for reaction:''' {{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|NAME:Break down wooden cups|BUILDING:WOODPROCESSOR|::STACK}}.

'''And workshop:''' {{#df_type:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|BUILDING_WORKSHOP:GONG|BUILD_KEY|::STACK}}.

'''Workshop tile check:'''<br/>
{{#df_tile:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP:TOADLICKER|TILE:3}}

User talk:Lethosor

2013-09-08T11:58:21Z

Asva: /* Raw ripping */

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==Templates==
Nice work on the rounded box templates! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 08:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I guess I had a little too much time on my hands. Does the formatting look ok? I think I screwed it up once or twice, but the main page looks all right now. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User_talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 13:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

==Variations==
I like your solution to the creature variation problem. It's much simpler than what I had in mind, and, at least for the current batch of creatures, works quite well. Great job! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] 20:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Duplicated History ==

Yeah, I noted that as well and decided it wasn't actually a major enough issue worth redoing everything I was doing to the database (since it already took almost 7 hours of lock time :(. If there are other issues, I can revert back, but I'll want to do it before tonightish, so we don't loose a lot of data. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
: And then I changed my mind and reverted. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::And now I just realized I should have just nuked the caches to fix the problem. Oh well. I'll re-try the upgrade later :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I rolled back the database maintenance / upgrade because of the issue you pointed out. Thanks for alerting me :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

As to what just happened: cache collision >.> - Should be fixed now, sorry . --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks. I thought I was commenting on the wrong page for a second there. Looks good now :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 01:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Rater ==

Left a note at [[User_talk:Lethosor/rater.js]] for you :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Skill tree for DF masterwork ==

What do you think about adding a new skill tree for the new skills? Could be usefull... [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:You mean like {{nocats|{{DF2012 skills}}}}? --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 20:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Yes, I think it could be usefull. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 11:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== Flying Spawn Mechanics (RedReign) ==

Hi, Lethosor,

It appears you made a small modification to what I recently wrote on the DF2012:Flying page. You wrote that it only affects underground creatures, not surface fliers.

However, after doing some !science!, I have discovered that above-ground flying creatures DO, in fact, stop spawning if I wall off every edge tile at every possible z-level above ground.

Obviously there is a conflict with the information we have. I'd like to resolve this, since I spent a lot of time and effort recently working on a project similar to those at Oceanshoots on the forums. I mean this with utmost sincerity - if you are certain that you have only seen the walling-off method to affect underground fliers, perhaps we can find what was different between our experiences, and why we were getting different results. :)

Cheers!
RedReign {{sign|RedReign}}

:Ah, I didn't realize you meant using bridges instead of walls (walls can't be built within 5 tiles of the map edge above ground, but will work underground). You're correct, drawbridges will keep creatures from spawning above ground. Sorry about the confusion there. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 13:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for help! ==

Cool, Thanks for the tip on deleting pages! [[User:Smakemupagus|Smakemupagus]] ([[User talk:Smakemupagus|talk]]) 20:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template use in german translated Wiki ==

Nice Template the {{tl|av}} I would like to adope it for the german wiki but I am not sure if I have something to change, I hate to change existing Templates on my own. and a complete list of widly used templates that need copy for similar look of translated articles would be nice to. Thanks in advance.
:Most templates on this wiki should work on other wikis. For {{tl|av}} to work, you (or an admin) need to add [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces/de namespaces] to your wiki (<code>DF2012</code>, <code>v0.31</code>, <code>40d</code>, and <code>23a</code> are the names we use, but you can change those on your wiki). I can help out with some extra templates if you want, but I'd need an account. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::I will redict your request (may be we sould make it more accessible for poeple will to help), a reqest for for adding the missing namespaces in youre wiki is done, but pending. i have manage to get some templates to work (I realy hate complex wiki templates, so much space for mistakes) but a whole bunch is missing atm. also I not sure If I could replace all masterwork - tattered wich their Meisterwerk - abgenutzt counterparts without breaking some/all template that rely on that. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::: You have an account now, nick is same, but i haven't to tell your temp passphrase yet. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: I havn't find a way to give you your temp passphrase for german wiki, are you avaible via eMail or Teamspeak (can't use skype not safe any longer). [[Special:Contributions/79.242.128.219|79.242.128.219]] 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: I guess you could [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=85402 send me a message] on the forums, if you have an account there.<br>By the way, I'm not very good at German, but I can try helping out with the templates anyway :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== AV / Masterwork color scheme ==

Would you consider adding a unique color scheme to the ArticleVersion template for articles in the Masterwork namespace? Currently they share the same light green color scheme as articles the DF2012 namespace, but I think it would be beneficial to distinguish them visually with their own color scheme. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

:What color were you thinking of? I was thinking of purple (it's the only scheme I haven't used yet from [[Template:Quality]]), but I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

::I was originally thinking light yellow, but a light purple should work fine. It probably shouldn't be quite as dark as the "Superior" background (the AV box is rather larger, and a dark color could prove overbearing), but bump it towards white a bit and it'd fit with the other colors. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

<table id="testtable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #e4ccff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: e4ccff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #f5e5ff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: f5e5ff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable3" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #db8; background: #fff5ee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about an '''older version''' of DF.</font><br>color: fff5ee</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable4" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #bd8; background: #f5ffee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about the current version of DF.</font><br>color: f5ffee</td></tr></table>

:::This should be implemented now. Feel free to tweak some of the colors if you want (the highlight color for the Masterwork link is a bit off). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== I have no idea what I'm doing. ==

Thanks for the feedback! I have no idea what I'm doing. I've never gotten into editing wikis before and I don't even know if this will reach you correctly. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Masterwork mod: minimize number of leather types. Maximize number of parrot types. XP --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

:I saw your recent edits to the Masterwork creature pages to move <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> after the sidebar. I've incorporated the change into the chunk of text that I blindly copy and paste to make new creature pages. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== New template for the Creature page tables ==

I've made a new template that pulls all the creature information from the raws for inclusion into those creature tables. Let me know what you think: [[Template:Creature_row]] --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 18:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, because of the number of creatures in the game, dynamically compiling the creature tables will hammer the server with hundreds of requests to generate the page. I suspect this is something that is better precompiled by editors, even though it means slightly more maintenance. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:mw:help:subst|Substituting]] the templates might be a workable alternative, although generating the wiki markup to do so would still take some work:
<pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{subst:creature row|name=Dwarf|namespace=DF2012}}
</pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{CreatureCurrent table row
|symbol={{char|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CREATURE_TILE}}}}|
|color={{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|COLOR}}
|name=[[DF2012:Dwarf|Dwarf]]
|hostile={{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PRONE_TO_RAGE}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|LARGE_PREDATOR}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BENIGN}}|No|Variable}}}}}}
|food={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|INTELLIGENT}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CAN_LEARN}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|NOT_BUTCHERABLE}}|1|0}}|No|Yes}}
|size={{bodysize|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}}}
|value={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET_EXOTIC}}|1|0}}|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PETVALUE}}|Not tameable}}
|biome={{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME}}|{{#eval:{{#df_foreachtag:{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME|<nowiki></nowiki>
* {{#delay:BiomeToken|\2}}}}}}|<nowiki></nowiki>
* None}}
|note=}}

|}
::(This would also require regenerating the creatures page manually whenever the template is updated.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I hadn't thought to substitute it. I actually have the wikimarkup necessary ready on my hard drive - yes, I was crazy enough to try it, and it only too about twenty minutes too. Would have been ten if I had written a program to scrub the number values out, but I was lazy...gimmie a sec to upload it on my drive. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-vLigamtNE6S3lfRkhidk9MLVk/edit?usp=sharing Here you go]. I might do this myself tomorrow, actually. When I tried to serve it directly onto the wiki the page was understandably non-responsive past about fifteen of these entries (I didn't except the server to break ''that'' easily...). [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
::If we get the rest of this working it looks like HFS creatures should probably still be done by hand as they're not specific creatures but rather categories. --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 12:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== With a few modifications... ==

...[[Template:Urist asks|I'm so using this]] :) [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I completely forgot about that. :) I think I fixed the problem with the misaligned "D", so go ahead and use it if you want. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
== Bot test ==
Hello! --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (minor edit) (bot edit)

== Editing the Masterwork buildings dropdown menu ==

Hi there!
I'm quite new to the wiki editing scene and I don't know how to modify the dropdown menu which is at the ending of every article in the buildings section for MDF....
I'd like to ad the category "Vanilla" to the dropdown menu... Maybe you can help me,
Thanks in advance!!
--[[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:That's a template — it's included in the article in the place of <nowiki>{{buildings}}</nowiki>, which makes it easier to add the box to an article without copying and pasting the entire thing. Normally the template you'd edit would be located at [[Template:Buildings]], but this is a weird template that redirects to a different template based on the article's namespace. The actual template you'd need to edit is [[Template:Masterwork buildings]] — feel free to try adding links, and I'll help you fix them if it doesn't work. (Also, don't worry about creating a lot of new pages — I can get a bot to do that.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thank you for your quick answer. I will try to complete the buildings section for MDf in the next few weeks... This will help me a lot. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Page requests ==

Regarding [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Page_request/Redirect&diff=191684&oldid=189271 this edit comment], perhaps some clarification or an example request is in order.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:Darn. I know why that happened - I'd re-organized the pages to be displayed above the editing area (on a separate wiki), but only the templates imported correctly, and I forgot to re-import the other pages. -_- --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::This should be resolved now. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== version switch ==

Your bot seems to have wiped out a number of page differences in applying this update. Examples include:

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Buildings&diff=191742&oldid=190354 Buildings], where <nowiki>{{interwiki|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}{{Category|Buildings}}</nowiki> was removed

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Creatures&diff=191755&oldid=188283 Creatures], which had been updated to avoid template loops and pass in a categorization parameter

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Vermin&diff=191754&oldid=183964 Vermin], which had been similarly updated

I suspect a number of the others also had "peculiarities" which were similarly discarded.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for re-adding the category parameters — I only checked a couple of the templates, to make sure they were working, and I must have overlooked those. (I'll try to be more careful with my bot edits in the future.) I re-added {{tl|Interwiki}} to {{tl|Buildings}}, but I think {{<nowiki/>Category|Buildings}} should ideally go on the version-specific building templates (which is what {{tl|Masterwork buildings}} does), or possibly somewhere in {{tl|version switch}} (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Category|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}}}</nowiki></code>, which would eliminate the need to insert {{<nowiki/>Category}} into all of the navboxes).<br> By the way, what "template loops" are you referring to? I don't remember seeing any issues with vermin/creature pages (although they could have been cached when I checked). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

::When calling any of the templates from mainspace (e.g. [[Boar]]), <nowiki>{{namespace}}</nowiki> evaluates to nothing, so <nowiki>{{Creatures}}</nowiki> expands to <nowiki>{{ {{namespace}} Creatures}}</nowiki>, then evaluates to "<nowiki>{{ Creatures}}</nowiki>", repeating and causing a template loop.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Raw ripping ==

Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a lot of raws from the server. Fortunately, they're usually cached once they're generated, so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the server. However, you should avoid including extremely large raws - [[Masterwork:Golem]] is an example of this.
: > Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
: It would be hard. There are some file upload extensions on MediaWiki, but nearly all of them are unstable. There's a PHP script that can accomplish this, if you have access to the server (which I don't). Also, there's the possibility that images might change, which would require re-uploading some of them.
: > I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
: [[Tileset repository|Tilesets]] are much easier than [[graphics set]]s, since graphics sets require looking up information about each image. I've managed to make an extension that can display images with tilesets in-browser (with JavaScript), so that's definitely possible. Using the MDF tilesets would take more effort, since they use transparency, but it shouldn't be too hard (assuming I can figure out the composition algorithms).
: > In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter?
: This sounds like it would be really useful, but I haven't figured out a way to do it yet (wiki syntax is challenging, especially once you start nesting 20+ templates). It should be possible, though, as long as all of the information is in the raws somewhere (it's easiest if it's all in the same file, since DFRawFunctions only works with one file at a time).
: Actually, maybe something like this could be used to generate images for workshops, instead of uploading pictures of every one. It would be really nice to reduce the amount of template editing needed to supply basic information about workshops (and other types of pages, like [[iron]].)
: So, in summary, extracting more information from the raws is possible. It would be hard, especially once you try formatting it, but it's definitely possible.
: --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 14:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

> you should avoid including extremely large raws
Hm, that may be troublematic. In worst case it's possible to make shorter versions of raws.
> used to generate images for workshops
Currently working on that :P. Included [[Template:Tile]] and such in script to avoid long long nesty template chains. Function takes workshop TILE values, transforms them into UTF-8 code, and presents neatly. Shall add coloring in nearest future.--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* BTW, how do you make mediawiki show &#x263A -like unicode symbols?
::☺ (&#x263A;) works for me. Are you using a template? Some templates, like {{tl|diagram}}, process individual characters (&, #, ... ;) before the browser can process them as entities (&#...;). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* <s>Padding issue. With no way to insert line breaks from template, I get either [https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uwt4wr5chk5xje/screenshoot_00356.jpg this] or [https://www.dropbox.com/s/hemzqi0jghcwv2n/screenshoot_00357.jpg that]. Any way around you possibly know?</s>
: Nevermind, did it by [https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgdy51k57r56bdb/screenshoot_00358.jpg xHTML]. Script is fully operational and ready for testing.

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==Templates==
Nice work on the rounded box templates! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 08:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I guess I had a little too much time on my hands. Does the formatting look ok? I think I screwed it up once or twice, but the main page looks all right now. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User_talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 13:13, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

==Variations==
I like your solution to the creature variation problem. It's much simpler than what I had in mind, and, at least for the current batch of creatures, works quite well. Great job! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] 20:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Duplicated History ==

Yeah, I noted that as well and decided it wasn't actually a major enough issue worth redoing everything I was doing to the database (since it already took almost 7 hours of lock time :(. If there are other issues, I can revert back, but I'll want to do it before tonightish, so we don't loose a lot of data. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
: And then I changed my mind and reverted. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::And now I just realized I should have just nuked the caches to fix the problem. Oh well. I'll re-try the upgrade later :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I rolled back the database maintenance / upgrade because of the issue you pointed out. Thanks for alerting me :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

As to what just happened: cache collision >.> - Should be fixed now, sorry . --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks. I thought I was commenting on the wrong page for a second there. Looks good now :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 01:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

== Rater ==

Left a note at [[User_talk:Lethosor/rater.js]] for you :) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 07:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Skill tree for DF masterwork ==

What do you think about adding a new skill tree for the new skills? Could be usefull... [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:You mean like {{nocats|{{DF2012 skills}}}}? --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 20:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:: Yes, I think it could be usefull. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 11:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== Flying Spawn Mechanics (RedReign) ==

Hi, Lethosor,

It appears you made a small modification to what I recently wrote on the DF2012:Flying page. You wrote that it only affects underground creatures, not surface fliers.

However, after doing some !science!, I have discovered that above-ground flying creatures DO, in fact, stop spawning if I wall off every edge tile at every possible z-level above ground.

Obviously there is a conflict with the information we have. I'd like to resolve this, since I spent a lot of time and effort recently working on a project similar to those at Oceanshoots on the forums. I mean this with utmost sincerity - if you are certain that you have only seen the walling-off method to affect underground fliers, perhaps we can find what was different between our experiences, and why we were getting different results. :)

Cheers!
RedReign {{sign|RedReign}}

:Ah, I didn't realize you meant using bridges instead of walls (walls can't be built within 5 tiles of the map edge above ground, but will work underground). You're correct, drawbridges will keep creatures from spawning above ground. Sorry about the confusion there. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 13:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for help! ==

Cool, Thanks for the tip on deleting pages! [[User:Smakemupagus|Smakemupagus]] ([[User talk:Smakemupagus|talk]]) 20:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== Template use in german translated Wiki ==

Nice Template the {{tl|av}} I would like to adope it for the german wiki but I am not sure if I have something to change, I hate to change existing Templates on my own. and a complete list of widly used templates that need copy for similar look of translated articles would be nice to. Thanks in advance.
:Most templates on this wiki should work on other wikis. For {{tl|av}} to work, you (or an admin) need to add [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces/de namespaces] to your wiki (<code>DF2012</code>, <code>v0.31</code>, <code>40d</code>, and <code>23a</code> are the names we use, but you can change those on your wiki). I can help out with some extra templates if you want, but I'd need an account. --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:12, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
::I will redict your request (may be we sould make it more accessible for poeple will to help), a reqest for for adding the missing namespaces in youre wiki is done, but pending. i have manage to get some templates to work (I realy hate complex wiki templates, so much space for mistakes) but a whole bunch is missing atm. also I not sure If I could replace all masterwork - tattered wich their Meisterwerk - abgenutzt counterparts without breaking some/all template that rely on that. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::: You have an account now, nick is same, but i haven't to tell your temp passphrase yet. [[Special:Contributions/79.206.195.135|79.206.195.135]] 08:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: I havn't find a way to give you your temp passphrase for german wiki, are you avaible via eMail or Teamspeak (can't use skype not safe any longer). [[Special:Contributions/79.242.128.219|79.242.128.219]] 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
::::: I guess you could [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=85402 send me a message] on the forums, if you have an account there.<br>By the way, I'm not very good at German, but I can try helping out with the templates anyway :) --{{User:Lethosor/sig}} 19:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== AV / Masterwork color scheme ==

Would you consider adding a unique color scheme to the ArticleVersion template for articles in the Masterwork namespace? Currently they share the same light green color scheme as articles the DF2012 namespace, but I think it would be beneficial to distinguish them visually with their own color scheme. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

:What color were you thinking of? I was thinking of purple (it's the only scheme I haven't used yet from [[Template:Quality]]), but I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

::I was originally thinking light yellow, but a light purple should work fine. It probably shouldn't be quite as dark as the "Superior" background (the AV box is rather larger, and a dark color could prove overbearing), but bump it towards white a bit and it'd fit with the other colors. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

<table id="testtable" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #e4ccff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: e4ccff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable2" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #b8f; background: #f5e5ff; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about a '''[[Main:mod|mod]]'''.</font><br>color: f5e5ff</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable3" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #db8; background: #fff5ee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about an '''older version''' of DF.</font><br>color: fff5ee</td></tr></table><br>
<table id="testtable4" style="text-align: center; margin: 0 auto; padding: 0.25em; {{border radius|3px}}; border: 2px solid #bd8; background: #f5ffee; min-width:27em"><tr><td style="padding: 0.3em 0.3em; width: 100%;"><font style="size:75%;">This article is about the current version of DF.</font><br>color: f5ffee</td></tr></table>

:::This should be implemented now. Feel free to tweak some of the colors if you want (the highlight color for the Masterwork link is a bit off). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

::::Looks good to me. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== I have no idea what I'm doing. ==

Thanks for the feedback! I have no idea what I'm doing. I've never gotten into editing wikis before and I don't even know if this will reach you correctly. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
:Masterwork mod: minimize number of leather types. Maximize number of parrot types. XP --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 02:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

:I saw your recent edits to the Masterwork creature pages to move <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> after the sidebar. I've incorporated the change into the chunk of text that I blindly copy and paste to make new creature pages. --[[User:J. d'Orc|J. d'Orc]] ([[User talk:J. d'Orc|talk]]) 19:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

== New template for the Creature page tables ==

I've made a new template that pulls all the creature information from the raws for inclusion into those creature tables. Let me know what you think: [[Template:Creature_row]] --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 18:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, because of the number of creatures in the game, dynamically compiling the creature tables will hammer the server with hundreds of requests to generate the page. I suspect this is something that is better precompiled by editors, even though it means slightly more maintenance. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

::[[wikipedia:mw:help:subst|Substituting]] the templates might be a workable alternative, although generating the wiki markup to do so would still take some work:
<pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{subst:creature row|name=Dwarf|namespace=DF2012}}
</pre>
{{CreatureCurrent table head}}
{{CreatureCurrent table row
|symbol={{char|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CREATURE_TILE}}}}|
|color={{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|COLOR}}
|name=[[DF2012:Dwarf|Dwarf]]
|hostile={{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PRONE_TO_RAGE}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|LARGE_PREDATOR}}|Yes|{{#if: {{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BENIGN}}|No|Variable}}}}}}
|food={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|INTELLIGENT}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|CAN_LEARN}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|NOT_BUTCHERABLE}}|1|0}}|No|Yes}}
|size={{bodysize|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}}}
|value={{#ifexpr:{{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET}}|1|0}} or {{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PET_EXOTIC}}|1|0}}|{{tagvalue|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|PETVALUE}}|Not tameable}}
|biome={{#if:{{tag|{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME}}|{{#eval:{{#df_foreachtag:{{DF2012:Dwarf/raw}}|BIOME|<nowiki></nowiki>
* {{#delay:BiomeToken|\2}}}}}}|<nowiki></nowiki>
* None}}
|note=}}

|}
::(This would also require regenerating the creatures page manually whenever the template is updated.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
:::I hadn't thought to substitute it. I actually have the wikimarkup necessary ready on my hard drive - yes, I was crazy enough to try it, and it only too about twenty minutes too. Would have been ten if I had written a program to scrub the number values out, but I was lazy...gimmie a sec to upload it on my drive. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:39, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-vLigamtNE6S3lfRkhidk9MLVk/edit?usp=sharing Here you go]. I might do this myself tomorrow, actually. When I tried to serve it directly onto the wiki the page was understandably non-responsive past about fifteen of these entries (I didn't except the server to break ''that'' easily...). [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
::If we get the rest of this working it looks like HFS creatures should probably still be done by hand as they're not specific creatures but rather categories. --[[User:Cdombroski|Cdombroski]] ([[User talk:Cdombroski|talk]]) 12:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

== With a few modifications... ==

...[[Template:Urist asks|I'm so using this]] :) [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 04:36, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, I completely forgot about that. :) I think I fixed the problem with the misaligned "D", so go ahead and use it if you want. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
== Bot test ==
Hello! --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (minor edit) (bot edit)

== Editing the Masterwork buildings dropdown menu ==

Hi there!
I'm quite new to the wiki editing scene and I don't know how to modify the dropdown menu which is at the ending of every article in the buildings section for MDF....
I'd like to ad the category "Vanilla" to the dropdown menu... Maybe you can help me,
Thanks in advance!!
--[[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

:That's a template — it's included in the article in the place of <nowiki>{{buildings}}</nowiki>, which makes it easier to add the box to an article without copying and pasting the entire thing. Normally the template you'd edit would be located at [[Template:Buildings]], but this is a weird template that redirects to a different template based on the article's namespace. The actual template you'd need to edit is [[Template:Masterwork buildings]] — feel free to try adding links, and I'll help you fix them if it doesn't work. (Also, don't worry about creating a lot of new pages — I can get a bot to do that.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thank you for your quick answer. I will try to complete the buildings section for MDf in the next few weeks... This will help me a lot. [[User:TheKevroar|TheKevroar]] ([[User talk:TheKevroar|talk]]) 21:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Page requests ==

Regarding [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Page_request/Redirect&diff=191684&oldid=189271 this edit comment], perhaps some clarification or an example request is in order.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
:Darn. I know why that happened - I'd re-organized the pages to be displayed above the editing area (on a separate wiki), but only the templates imported correctly, and I forgot to re-import the other pages. -_- --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
::This should be resolved now. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== version switch ==

Your bot seems to have wiped out a number of page differences in applying this update. Examples include:

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Buildings&diff=191742&oldid=190354 Buildings], where <nowiki>{{interwiki|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}{{Category|Buildings}}</nowiki> was removed

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Creatures&diff=191755&oldid=188283 Creatures], which had been updated to avoid template loops and pass in a categorization parameter

:[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Vermin&diff=191754&oldid=183964 Vermin], which had been similarly updated

I suspect a number of the others also had "peculiarities" which were similarly discarded.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for re-adding the category parameters — I only checked a couple of the templates, to make sure they were working, and I must have overlooked those. (I'll try to be more careful with my bot edits in the future.) I re-added {{tl|Interwiki}} to {{tl|Buildings}}, but I think {{<nowiki/>Category|Buildings}} should ideally go on the version-specific building templates (which is what {{tl|Masterwork buildings}} does), or possibly somewhere in {{tl|version switch}} (e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Category|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}}}</nowiki></code>, which would eliminate the need to insert {{<nowiki/>Category}} into all of the navboxes).<br> By the way, what "template loops" are you referring to? I don't remember seeing any issues with vermin/creature pages (although they could have been cached when I checked). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

::When calling any of the templates from mainspace (e.g. [[Boar]]), <nowiki>{{namespace}}</nowiki> evaluates to nothing, so <nowiki>{{Creatures}}</nowiki> expands to <nowiki>{{ {{namespace}} Creatures}}</nowiki>, then evaluates to "<nowiki>{{ Creatures}}</nowiki>", repeating and causing a template loop.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Raw ripping ==

Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a lot of raws from the server. Fortunately, they're usually cached once they're generated, so it doesn't have too much of an impact on the server. However, you should avoid including extremely large raws - [[Masterwork:Golem]] is an example of this.
: > Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
: It would be hard. There are some file upload extensions on MediaWiki, but nearly all of them are unstable. There's a PHP script that can accomplish this, if you have access to the server (which I don't). Also, there's the possibility that images might change, which would require re-uploading some of them.
: > I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
: [[Tileset repository|Tilesets]] are much easier than [[graphics set]]s, since graphics sets require looking up information about each image. I've managed to make an extension that can display images with tilesets in-browser (with JavaScript), so that's definitely possible. Using the MDF tilesets would take more effort, since they use transparency, but it shouldn't be too hard (assuming I can figure out the composition algorithms).
: > In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter?
: This sounds like it would be really useful, but I haven't figured out a way to do it yet (wiki syntax is challenging, especially once you start nesting 20+ templates). It should be possible, though, as long as all of the information is in the raws somewhere (it's easiest if it's all in the same file, since DFRawFunctions only works with one file at a time).
: Actually, maybe something like this could be used to generate images for workshops, instead of uploading pictures of every one. It would be really nice to reduce the amount of template editing needed to supply basic information about workshops (and other types of pages, like [[iron]].)
: So, in summary, extracting more information from the raws is possible. It would be hard, especially once you try formatting it, but it's definitely possible.
: --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 14:27, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

> you should avoid including extremely large raws
Hm, that may be troublematic. In worst case it's possible to make shorter versions of raws.
> used to generate images for workshops
Currently working on that :P. Included [[Template:Tile]] and such in script to avoid long long nesty template chains. Function takes workshop TILE values, transforms them into UTF-8 code, and presents neatly. Shall add coloring in nearest future.--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* BTW, how do you make mediawiki show &#x263A -like unicode symbols?
::☺ (&#x263A;) works for me. Are you using a template? Some templates, like {{tl|diagram}}, process individual characters (&, #, ... ;) before the browser can process them as entities (&#...;). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
* Padding issue. With no way to insert line breaks from template, I get either [https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uwt4wr5chk5xje/screenshoot_00356.jpg this] or [https://www.dropbox.com/s/hemzqi0jghcwv2n/screenshoot_00357.jpg that]. Any way around you possibly know?

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==Comments==
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=== Parser issue ===
Hey Quietust, little question for you. I have put DFRawFunctions into extensions folder of mediawiki. Then installed both php files in LocalSettings.php. Yet <nowiki>{{#df_raw}}</nowiki> gives "Not found!", being unable to find the file. Are "raws" meant to be placed in special location? Or maybe few lines are to be added in LocalSettings.php?
<br/>P.S. Question is not related to english wiki but russian one. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 06:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

:You need to add this line to <code>LocalSettings.php</code>:
$wgDFRawEnableDisk = true;
:--[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 12:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

::I made another function on github and sent a pull request. Will it be implemented into DFwiki? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 09:21, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

=== Bot files ===
Do you happen to have the text files used to generate the DF2012 raw pages (the format you mentioned on [[User talk:J. d'Orc]])? I was thinking of making similar files for Masterwork pages, and I wanted to make sure I was formatting them correctly. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Sample data:
toad DF2012:creature_amphibians.txt creature CREATURE TOAD
worm DF2012:creature_annelids.txt creature CREATURE WORM
blue jay DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_BLUEJAY
cardinal DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_CARDINAL
penguin man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PENGUIN MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
giant penguin DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_PENGUIN_GIANT DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
peregrine falcon man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PEREGRINE FALCON MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
:Column 1 is the page name, column 2 is the raw file that contains it, column 3 is what goes into the category name (e.g. "Category:DF2012:Creature raw pages"), column 4 is the object type (should always be CREATURE here), column 5 is the creature's ID token, and column 6 (optional) is the file that contains all of the variations used by the creature. Note that some of the Masterwork creatures will probably require '''multiple''' creature variation files - for those, you should specify the variation files separated by a "|" character. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 21:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

=== Hi ===
Just wanted to stop by and say hi, and thanks for correcting [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012%3AExtinction&diff=189929&oldid=189928 stupid things] I've been sprinkling about. Shoutout to [[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] and [[User:Loci|Loci]] too, on that count. Nice wiki you got here. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 02:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

=== Patch Licence ===
Just a quick question about your MediaWiki patch at http://www.qmtpro.com/~quietust/misc/ns_link-1.17.0.diff
I don't see a licence for this patch specified anywhere. Is it also GPLv2?
:That's because there isn't one - I have more important things to do than explicitly license every piece of code I write. Since it modifies MediaWiki, assume that it uses the same license. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry for bothering you, and thanks.17:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::What version of MediaWiki are you using? If you're using 1.20+, there's a simpler version of the patch (although I'm not sure how to generate a patch file from it). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::It looks like this wiki has since been updated to version 1.20, and I'm guessing the original patch was simply reapplied to it. How exactly is it possible to simplify it? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 20:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::I managed to get it to work (on a separate wiki) from the first commit listed in the wiki repo ([https://github.com/illideristudios/dfwikifiles/commit/a2a78972134188af635775f7e7ca5483c11ac949 a2a78972]). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::That commit is enough to get basic links working, but unless you include the rest of the patch I highly suspect that interwiki links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[wikipedia:pagename]]</nowiki>") and fragment-only links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[#section]]</nowiki>" will be rather horribly broken... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Looks like you're right. I hadn't noticed that before, but they aren't interpreted as links at all. I'll try applying the rest of the patch now and see how that works on 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

=== Adding mod raws to DFRawFunctions ===
I was wondering what you thought about adding Masterwork raws (since it would make creating new Masterwork: pages a lot easier). They are significantly larger than the vanilla raws, but the individual files are small enough that they shouldn't cause much extra load (I can test this myself and let you know how it works with MediaWiki if you like). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
*DFRawFunctions can automatically load raws from disk for any namespace that exists on the wiki, so all I would need to do would be to add them to the Git repository and wait for the server to pick them up (as I recall, it does a periodic check). If you can provide me a copy of the raw files, I should be able to get them imported fairly quickly. One concern I have, though, is how often these raws are going to be changing... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::They do change periodically, but there usually aren't a lot of changes between versions. I sent you a PR, which (hopefully) works on MW 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you about this, but any idea what's causing the layout issues at [[Masterwork:Golem/raw]]? I haven't noticed any inconsistent indentation in the original file (creature_masterwork.txt), and I don't see any problems with the template either... --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:I'm assuming you're referring to the dotted-bordered boxes - those are caused by lines that have leading spaces '''before''' the tabs. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::Apparently my terminal doesn't display tabs the way I thought it did. That would explain it, thanks. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

===Link template===
I noticed you deleted [[:Template:L]] (in fact, it was over a year ago). I know it's probably unnecessary, but it renders the revision history of old pages practically unreadable (take [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=23a:Bedroom&oldid=123591 this page] for example). It's likely that someone else has pointed it out already and I didn't notice, in which case I apologize. I doubt many people tend to look at past revisions of pages, especially from old versions, but it would be nice to get rid of some of those red links. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see how it's a problem that outdated revisions of pages are unreadable due to a template being removed - the template could have just as easily been '''changed''' to something incompatible and the effect would've been the same. Besides, people shouldn't be looking at outdated revisions of pages anyways, because they're '''outdated''' and likely incorrect. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree that recreating an unused template is probably useless. I only ran across it when I was doing a little research and ran across a revision I didn't really need anyway. Also, since your bot fixed the links in the old namespaces, it really isn't a problem. If I ever need to look at an old revision (and to be honest, I'm not sure why I would either), I could always just view the source instead. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

===SPAMBOT DELETION===
Hey Quietust. I strongly suspect Hrtrey is a spambot. I reversed the edits made, but I thought I should point it out immediately since it began inserted external links at five minute intervals after the account creation, which seemed atypical.

===SLEEP_PRETENSION ===
I noticed your change to the Noble page recently and want to inquire about the noble logic. I was under the impression that nobles could get two different kinds of upset: their own room is under value, OR another dwarf has a room that exceeds the value that the other dwarf should have.

Do nobles actually compare their own rooms to the other dwarves, or do they just insist that other dwarves not exceed the other dwarves' place in society?
:I recently did some disassembly diving to figure out how that behavior actually worked, and it turns out it's 100% based on the other dwarf's room value compared to the noble's room value. Specifically, it takes the PRECEDENCE of each unit (for non-nobles, this is 30001), takes "(30001 - precedence) / 150" to get an "importance" figure (if the other dwarf's importance is greater than or equal to the noble's, it doesn't care), then it compares the other dwarf's room value to the highest valued room of that type belonging to the noble (it actually compares the room quality rating i.e. "Royal"/"Grand"/"Great"/etc.) and generates a complaint if the other's room is better '''or equal''' to the noble's room. The actual severity of the thought is "(importance_delta - 1) / 15 + (quality delta) + 1" , which corresponds to "put off"/"flustered"/"upset"//.../"traumatized"/"utterly traumatized". --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

=== Stockpile settings info ===
I'd like to read your oppinion on my planned long-term editing concerning [[User_talk:Emi#Stockpile_setting_info|Stockpile settings information]]. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 07:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

=== Any dragon fire proof materials? ===
Seeing you have mentioned that the dragonfire will melt dolomite, I guess there is no material safe from dragonfire in DF (except for dragon skin, bones, etc.), so maybe this note should have all material articles. (it is a mild Fun spoiler, though). Or the note about dragonfire it should be missing everywhere, because it is so general. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 21:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:Any material with a FIXED_TEMP is immune to dragonfire, which means that [[nether cap]] wood should be safe. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

===Ban===
Why did you ban my previus account (ilsinopeo)? I do not understand what is wrong in that username--Sinop
:I blocked it for the same reason that I've been blocking dozens of other accounts every day - it looked like a spambot, and it hadn't made a single edit within 2 hours of signup (lots of them have been known to wait several ''days'' before filling their talk page with spam links, hoping to escape detection). Also, why did you create a new account when '''Briess unbanned you about 6 hours ago'''? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
::Ops i did not notice that, my bad--[[User:Ilsinopeo|Ilsinopeo]] 12:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

===Binary Patches===
I've noticed some binary patches you've posted around and was wondering exactly what to do with them. I'm guessing something like CFF Explorer? Usually when I hex edit it's with Cheat Engine, so if I screw something up at least it's gone next program run. Wanted to make sure before I did anything drastic. Also, would those edits screw up tools like DFHack and Therapist that depend on exact offsets? [[User:Hesuchia|Hesuchia]] 17:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
*You apply them by editing the EXE file itself (while it's not running) with a hex-editor. The Windows patches ones won't affect any existing tools since said tools look at the PE timestamp (which doesn't get changed), and the patches themselves have no effect on any of the offsets. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Blocked for "Unacceptable username" ===
Why has my account (jimj316) been blocked? Just because it ends in a number?
If you need proof that I'm not a spambot, view the [[DF2012_Talk:Creature_token|Talk page for creature tokens]], where I left a message (before I made an account) about an edit I had made to improve the page.
[[Special:Contributions/212.219.142.161|212.219.142.161]] 09:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, it was because your username, like many of the spambots, ended with a number. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Potential contributor banned ===

I've got a message from 76.185.119.161 that he would like to contribute to the DF wiki, but his IP is banned. Why is he banned? Do you think you can unban him and see how it goes? --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 23:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

:FYI, that IP address is in the Road Runner IP block in the Dallas, Texas area. It's dynamically allocated to their customers so, unless this is a recent ban, the person who has it now probably isn't the same person who got it banned (assuming it's not part of a block of banned IP addresses). -- [[User:HiEv|<span style="color:#E05858;font-weight:bold;">Hi</span>]][[User talk:HiEv|<span style="color:#C06060;font-weight:bold;">Ev</span>]] 00:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::The ban is almost definitely an automatic one placed as a result of banning a suspected spambot - I need to which one it was (the wiki should say "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by 'username'") so I can remove it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::: Please remove it. I think it's unlikely that will cause any trouble. This is what he gets when he tries to create an account:
::::Login error Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by Dwarf Fortress Wiki. You cannot create an account (76.185.119.161)
:::--[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::There's nothing I can do to fix that one - you'll need to talk to Briess. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Have him try again now. If he still encounters the same issue, he'll have to apply to get his IP address removed from the blocklist at [http://www.spamhaus.org/lookup/] (I removed 3 of the blocklists we were using so it's only spamhaus now) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
::::<s>Just checked, he is listed on [http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL238586] so he'll need to follow those instructions to get delisted. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)</s> incorrect, this won't affect wiki signup --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you guys for looking into it. He said he would sign up soon now. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Would My Username Be Rejected? ===
I was reading the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] page, and was rather dismayed by all of the spammer usernames signing up, then being blocked. I do appreciate your hard work. It must feel like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysiphus Sysiphus' labor] sometimes.

But then it occurred to me... My name looks like a spammer's! If I signed up today, would I be blocked immediately?<br/>—[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Probably not - the recent spammers have been signing up with account names following very specific patterns, and yours doesn't match any of them. While you're here, I thought you might be interested in knowing that I've confirmed a lot of your findings from studying my disassembly of 0.23.130.23a - while lots of things have changed in the past 5 years, lots of other things have stayed exactly the same. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

===Registration Spam===
Q, methinks the method shown under "Comment Spam defeated at last" on Steve Hanov's Blog stevehanov.ca would save you a lot of work.
*You're talking to the wrong person - tell this to Briess or Emi. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:09, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking===
You always beat me to the punch! sadface --23:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

===More spammer blocking===
I see that in the last few batches of spammer blocking, [[User talk:KidsShoes|KidsShoes]] and [[User talk:DypeniWang|DypeniWang]], who I reported on May 8, were not included. Is there a better way to make these reports than on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]]? Or should I continue placing a note here if the first report doesn't work? --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 23:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:I've just reported [[User talk:Harry123|Harry123]] and noticed that my previous two reports on [[User talk:Justinakmw7640|Justinakmw7640]] and [[User talk:FixToolbox|FixToolbox]] have fallen through the cracks. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::While reporting [[User talk:BrettWCotton7|BrettWCotton7]], I noticed that [[User talk:Lonna44|Lonna44]] was overlooked. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 22:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking Vroomvroom1970===
I've reported [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] twice for spam on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]] at or near the same time as two other spamming users. While the other users were blocked ([[User talk:MikePlane1971|MikePlane1971]] and [[User talk:Meetcheese123|Meetcheese123]]), [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] has been overlooked both times, so I thought leaving a message here might work. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

===Clean up some deleted pages===
Hey Quietust, you seem to be the most active admin around. Could you look into deleting some of the pages currently marked for deletion? Most of them are obsolete, outdated, or otherwise superfluous. Thanks! [[User:Dree12|Dree12]] 00:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

===Creaturelookup/0 and Creaturedesc templates===
There seems to be an issue with the [[Template:Creaturelookup/0]] and/or [[Template:Creaturedesc]] and how they interact with the [[Giant badger]] and [[v0.31:Giant badger]] articles. I have no idea how they work so I can't really fix them myself, and I thought you might be able to help since I noticed you created them. --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 01:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's the same problem that affected the [[giant eagle]] - the raw file contains some extended ASCII characters encoded in Latin-1, but the wiki is expecting them to be UTF-8 and is choking on them. It'll be fixed once Emily updates the raws on the wiki servers. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::How should they be handled then? Remove the templates so the users can read what's present or leave it in there until the update? --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 02:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

===See Bot request===
Please see my request under bot requests, I believe you may have overlooked it. I would appreciate a response.
--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 22:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

===Gravitates/animal men===
Adjusted size of animal men per what you said, but token on token page doesn't quite say the same thing. Are adult animal men 70k regardless of size of animal?--[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 20:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
===DFRawFunctions===
I noticed that [[DF2012:Giant eagle]] was completely blank the other day, and have deduced that the problem lies in the following line used as part of a template on the /raw page:

<nowiki>{{#df_raw:DF2012:creature_birds_new.txt|CREATURE|GIANT_EAGLE|not found}}</nowiki>

I don't know why, but wherever this line is placed, it makes the entire page blank. Template calls on the giant eagle page have been commented out for now, so there's at least something visible on the page. I'm sure you know better than me what might cause this, the only thing I can see out of the ordinary here is some sponsorship text in the .txt right after the entry for giant eagles. Thanks for all you do around here! --[[Special:Contributions/74.105.187.80|74.105.187.80]] 08:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
*Read the [[DF2012 talk:Giant eagle|talk page]] - I already know exactly what the problem is and how to fix it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 12:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re:DFRawFunctions===
Pulled. I'll think up a way to make the process a little more automated. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 22:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

===Error submiting updates to DF2012:Creatures===
I have some more changes to make to the Creatures page, but when I try submitting them I get a blank page and no change is made to the page. Is this a problem with the server/page too big, or did I trip some anti-spamer protection with my series of edits? [[User:Organised chaos|Organised chaos]] 14:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re: Stuff===
Gonna go do it right now. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 21:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
===Good job===
Wiki update looks good - thanks for putting in the time to make it happen.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
=== A new list ===
Im a newbie at editing wiki's and what im looking for is a list of objects that cant be placed on the edge of the map (like the trade depot) Can you help me make such a page if one dosent already exist? [[Special:Contributions/97.103.243.208|97.103.243.208]] 18:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Frostbite ===
Is it a good idea to report [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=DF2010:Climate&curid=17187&diff=153614&oldid=153613 this] as a bug? [[User:Kogut|Kogut]] 10:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
:Wouldn't hurt, though there might already be a more general report for the other assorted problems with organic materials (e.g. body fat melting at 110°F, muscle/organs not taking heat damage until 282°F even though they'd have been thoroughly overcooked by then). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

===Creature Logic + diagrams===
Thanks for the edits to creature logic. It's probably not obvious, but I made an effort to use a preferred format, and all I found was [[Template:RT]] linked to from the community portal page, so I tried to imitate the example given on that page. If there is a preferred method, maybe someone (lol "someone," although really I'd be happy to do it if I knew enough/was important enough) can make a page and link the community portal to it rather than [[Template:RT]]? Might save you from some future tedium, unless of course you enjoy those kind of edits.

Also curious-- I don't know anything about electronics or computing, but I find myself distinguishing between half and full signals (or full and double signals, if you'd prefer-- opens vs open-closes) all the time. Within the electronics metaphor, are there appropriate words to distinguish between these two kinds of signals? That is, if an edge detector detects an "edge" signal, what kind of signal does it transmit?[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 00:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
:There isn't really a difference between the signal types, just how you react to them - a level-sensitive trigger does one thing if the signal is on and another thing if the signal is off, while an edge-sensitive trigger does one thing when the signal '''changes''' from off->on and a different thing when the signal changes from on->off. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt#Types_of_Interrupts this article] for more information. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

===Most annoying bugs===
Just curious what bugs are on the top of your list? I haven't played in several months, waiting for certain bugs to be fixed. I got the military to mostly work (besides all the labors being reset) so that wasn't a big deal. I think all the little bugs added up for me. --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:I've reported over a hundred bugs on the tracker and 82 of them are still open, some more serious than others. If I had to name the most annoying ones I've reported myself, they'd be: "Missing nobles (dungeon master, tax collector, etc.)", "Swimming FBs don't bother getting out of the water", "Soldiers equip golden salve vials as waterskins", "Caravan pack animals stand on top of floor hatches over ramps", "Building destroyers destroy floor grates over open space", "Caravans don't bring wagons", and "Siege trolls lag the game to hell"; for ones others have reported, "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed", "Flowing water pushes items into hammerspace", "Magma kills things WAY too slowly", "Dwarves don't wear new clothes", "Dwarves give water to dwarves already drinking from booze barrels" + "Dwarves leave water buckets lying all over the fortress" + "Dwarves use water buckets when making lye", "Metalsmithing jobs only use one bar", and "Gem items don't get stockpiled". I don't mind the "Humans have no guild representatives", "Elves have no diplomats", and "You can't make crystal glass" bugs, since I've fixed all of them myself. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I know you've reported a lot, which is great. I've only reported 12, 7 still open. Did you figure out a workaround for the missing nobles? I noticed you were doing a lot of research on that area. How does "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" affect you? The dwarfs leaving their food to rot all over? I don't let my military carry ratios. My soldiers do get a bad thought, but the happiness system is pretty out of wack now, so all they have to do is dine in a nice place and they're in heaven! I agree that the buckets coupled to the healthcare is a hassle. That and the transporting of barrels to the depot. Metalsmithing jobs only using one bar is a balancing issue, so it doesn't bother me much. I just reviewed my watch list and others that bother me are "Items are hauled to bins before the bins are installed into the correct stockpile." "Dwarves choose far-away stones instead of nearby ones", "Civilians assigned to burrows while hauling something spam "dropoff inaccessible"", not being able to toggle the usability of obsidian, and "Equipment mismatch error message means nothing". That last one makes setting up a military a bit tough. Those would have to be the most annoying to me. Sometimes I really miss the 40d days. I tried going back, but all the keys are different and it is too frustrating.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The "soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" bug causes soldiers to just get increasingly hungry/thirsty when on patrol duty, and hungry/thirsty dwarves get skill penalties and are presumably more likely to get injured. I forgot about the "dropoff inaccessible spam" one, though I was afflicted with the "item inaccessible" variant (when the stockpile is inside the burrow but the item isn't), and I also find the economic obsidian bug mildly irritating (though you only need to fix it once in the entire lifetime of your fortress). I don't consider the "hauling bins" and "distant stones" ones to be real bugs, just design flaws (which I'm pretty sure were also present in 40d and probably even 23a). Of course, I've just now remembered another very irritating issue: multiple soldiers being assigned the same piece of equipment, usually a named item. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 00:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
::::That is funny. So many of the "bugs" influence the way I play the game. Because of the bugs, I gave up on burrows being useful. Thus all the bugs with burrows don't bother me. The concept is really powerful, but how to implement it without the bugs hobbling it! I also don't use most fo the military options (like food/water, patrol duties, stations) and instead have train/no train schedules. I find it funny when dwarfs carry around 3 weapons, or the enraged badgers. I agree the distant stones and hauling bins are design flaws, but they are annoying when you notice a bunch of dwarves traverse 80 Z levels to take something to a bin, only to arrive and find the bin has been now moved to 80Z levels down! It would also be nice to be able to save military uniforms as well (like embark profiles). Does the fact that the order of items in the trade item list changes bother you or have you figured out a workaround for that?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 16:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

===large number of new accounts - Spam?===
I "determined" ;) that you are an admin and since I'm not sure where to report it: Recent changes implies a large number of new bot-created accounts in the last days. Preparation for a spam avalanche? Should something be done about it? If you're the wrong guy to ask, would you mind forwarding it to the right place? --[[User:2013|2013]] 18:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

==Bot Requests==
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=== DF:2012 Namespace ===
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User talk:Asva

2013-09-06T09:18:59Z

Asva: Checking new PHP script.

== Parser test for workshop ==

===Woodcraft reactions:===
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|SKILL:WOODCRAFT|NAME||}}

===Woodcraft buildings:===
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|SKILL:WOODCRAFT|BUILDING||}}

===Full list of boneyard reactions===
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME||}}
===Table===
{| class="wikitable"
|-
'''{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|0|Does something.}}'''
|-
|{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|1:FORMAT|Makes something.}}
|-
|{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|2:FORMAT|Produces something.}}
|-
|}
===Last type check===
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|-1|Does something.}}
===Type check===
{{#df_type:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt|REACTION|BUILDING:BONEYARD_KOBOLD|NAME|55:CHECK|Does something.}}

Template:Masterwork workshop

2013-09-01T10:26:33Z

Asva:

<noinclude>Masterwork template, based on <nowiki>{{Template:workshop}}</nowiki>. Undone.</noinclude>
<includeonly>{{infostart|{{{name}}}}}
{{infocell|{{key|b}}-{{key|w}}-{{key|{{{key}}}}}|style=text-align:center}}
{{infocell|{{Building/picture|name={{{name}}}}}}}
{{#if:{{{job|}}}|{{infoheader|Job Requirement}}
{{infocell|{{{job|}}}}}}}
{{infoheader|Construction}}
{{#ifeq:{{{onecol|no}}}|no|
{{!}}- 
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}} Materials
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%" {{!}} Jobs
{{!}}-
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}}
{{{construction}}}
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top" {{!}}
| 
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}} Materials
{{!}}-
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}}
{{{construction}}}
{{!}}-
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%" {{!}} Jobs
{{!}}-
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top" {{!}}
}}
{{{construction_job}}}
{{infoheader|Materials Used}}
{{infocell|{{{use}}}}}
{{infoheader|Goods Created}}
{{infocell|{{{production}}}}}
{{infoend}}</includeonly><noinclude>

== Usage ==
This automatically includes the page in the "Workshops" category.

<nowiki>
{{Workshop|name=Carpenter's workshop|key=c|job=[[Carpentry]]
|construction=
1 of
* [[Block]]
* [[Stone]]
* [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
* [[Carpentry]]
|use=
* [[Wood]]
|production=
* [[Animal trap]]
* [[Armor stand]]
* [[Barrel]]
* [[Bin]]
* [[Bucket]]
* [[Buckler]]
* [[Bed]]
* [[Cabinet]]
* [[Chair]]
* [[Chest]]
* [[Door]]
* [[Floodgate]]
* [[Shield]]
* [[Table]]
* [[Weapon rack]]
}}
</nowiki>
[[Category:Building templates]]
</noinclude>

Template:Masterwork workshop

2013-09-01T10:24:40Z

Asva: Masterwork template, based on {{Template:workshop}}. Undone.

<noinclude>Masterwork template, based on {{Template:workshop}}. Undone.</noinclude>
<includeonly>{{infostart|{{{name}}}}}
{{infocell|{{key|b}}-{{key|w}}-{{key|{{{key}}}}}|style=text-align:center}}
{{infocell|{{Building/picture|name={{{name}}}}}}}
{{#if:{{{job|}}}|{{infoheader|Job Requirement}}
{{infocell|{{{job|}}}}}}}
{{infoheader|Construction}}
{{#ifeq:{{{onecol|no}}}|no|
{{!}}- 
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}} Materials
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%" {{!}} Jobs
{{!}}-
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}}
{{{construction}}}
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top" {{!}}
| 
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}} Materials
{{!}}-
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top; border-right: 1px solid #aaa" {{!}}
{{{construction}}}
{{!}}-
! style{{=}}"text-align: left; padding: 0.2em 0.25em 0; width: 50%" {{!}} Jobs
{{!}}-
{{!}} style{{=}}"padding: 0.1em 0.25em 0.25em; width: 50%; vertical-align: top" {{!}}
}}
{{{construction_job}}}
{{infoheader|Materials Used}}
{{infocell|{{{use}}}}}
{{infoheader|Goods Created}}
{{infocell|{{{production}}}}}
{{infoend}}

== Usage ==
This automatically includes the page in the "Workshops" category.

<nowiki>
{{Workshop|name=Carpenter's workshop|key=c|job=[[Carpentry]]
|construction=
1 of
* [[Block]]
* [[Stone]]
* [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
* [[Carpentry]]
|use=
* [[Wood]]
|production=
* [[Animal trap]]
* [[Armor stand]]
* [[Barrel]]
* [[Bin]]
* [[Bucket]]
* [[Buckler]]
* [[Bed]]
* [[Cabinet]]
* [[Chair]]
* [[Chest]]
* [[Door]]
* [[Floodgate]]
* [[Shield]]
* [[Table]]
* [[Weapon rack]]
}}
</nowiki>
[[Category:Building templates]]
</noinclude>

Template:Masterwork kobold building profession

2013-09-01T10:19:57Z

Asva:

<noinclude>Rips directly from raws the job required to build workshop. List of jobs is not yet complete.</noinclude>
<includeonly>[[{{#df_tagentry:
{{#df_raw:
[MINING:Mining]
[CARPENTRY:Carpentry]
[BOWYER:Crossbow-making]
[WOODCUTTING:Wood Cutting]
[MASONRY:Masonry]
[DETAILSTONE:Stone Detailing]
[ANIMALTRAIN:Animal Training]
[ANIMALCARE:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[TRAPPING:Trapping]
[DISSECT_VERMIN:Small Animal Dissection]
[DIAGNOSE:Diagnosis]
[SURGERY:Surgery]
[SET_BONE:Setting Bones]
[SUTURE:Suturing]
[DRESS_WOUNDS:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[BUTCHER:Butchery]
[TANNER:Tanner]
[PLANT:Farming]
[DYER:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[WOOD_BURNING:Oven Operating]
[POTASH_MAKING:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[LYE_MAKING:Archeology]
[BREWING:Brewing]
[HERBALISM:Herbalism]
[MILLING:Milling]
[CHEESEMAKING:Cheese making]
[MILK:Milking]
[SHEARING:Shearing]
[SPINNING:Spinning]
[COOK:Cooking]
[PROCESSPLANTS:Researching/Inventing]
[BEEKEEPING:Hivekeeping]
[FISH:Fishing]
POTTERY GLAZING PRESSING WAX_WORKING
[PROCESSFISH:Fish Cleaning]
[DISSECT_FISH:Fish Farming]
[SMELT:Furnace Operating]
[FORGE_WEAPON:Weaponsmithing]
[FORGE_ARMOR:Armoring]
[FORGE_FURNITURE:Blacksmithing]
[METALCRAFT:Metalcrafting]
[CUTGEM:Gem Cutting]
[ENCRUSTGEM:Gem Setting]
[LEATHERWORK:Leatherworking]
[WOODCRAFT:Woodcrafting]
[STONECRAFT:Stonecrafting]
[BONECARVE:Bone Carving]
[GLASSMAKER:Glassmaking]
[WEAVING:Weaving]
[CLOTHESMAKING:Tailoring]
[EXTRACT_STRAND:Praying]
[1:Writing]
[1:Playing Music]
[SOAP_MAKING:Wax/Poison Working]
[SIEGECRAFT:Siege Operating]
[MECHANIC:Mechanics]
[OPERATE_PUMP:Machine Operating]
[1:Stone Hauling]
[1:Wood Hauling]
[1:Item Hauling]
[1:Burial]
[1:Food Hauling]
[1:Refuse Hauling]
[1:Furniture Hauling]
[1:Animal Hauling]
[1:Push/Haul Vehicles]
[1:Architecture]
[ALCHEMY:Sorcery]
[1:Cleaning]

Battle professions

[AXE:Axe]
[SWORD:Sword]
[DAGGER:Knife]
[MACE:Mace]
[HAMMER:Hammer]
[SPEAR:Spear]
[CROSSBOW:Crossbow]
[SHIELD:Shield]
[ARMOR:Armor]
[PIKE:Pike]
[WHIP:Lash]
[BOW:Bow]
[BLOWGUN:Blowgun]
[THROW:Throwing]

Other professions

[CRUTCH_WALK:CRUTCH_WALK]
[MAGIC_NATURE:MAGIC_NATURE]
[SNEAK:Ambush]
[DESIGNBUILDING:Building Design]
[SWIMMING:Swimming]
[PERSUASION:Persuasion]
[NEGOTIATION:Negotiation]
[JUDGING_INTENT:Judging Intent]
[APPRAISAL:Appraisal]
[ORGANIZATION:Organization]
[RECORD_KEEPING:Record Keeping]
[LYING:Lying]
[INTIMIDATION:Intimidation]
[CONVERSATION:Conversation]
[COMEDY:Comedy]
[FLATTERY:Flattery]
[CONSOLE:Consoling]
[PACIFY:Pacification]
[TRACKING:Tracking]
[KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:Studying]
[CONCENTRATION:Concentration]
[DISCIPLINE:Discipline]
[SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:Observation]
[WRITING:Writing]
[PROSE:Prose]
[POETRY:Poetry]
[READING:Reading]
[SPEAKING:Speaking]
[COORDINATION:Coordination]
[BALANCE:Balance]
[LEADERSHIP:Leadership]
[TEACHING:Teaching]
[MELEE_COMBAT:Fighting]
[RANGED_COMBAT:Archery]
[WRESTLING:Wrestling]
[BITE:Biting]
[GRASP_STRIKE:Striking]
[STANCE_STRIKE:Kicking]
[DODGING:Dodging]
[MISC_WEAPON:Misc. Object]
[KNAPPING:Knapping]
[MILITARY_TACTICS:Military Tactics]
}}
|{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|{{uc:{{{1}}}}}|Check the list of the template!}}
|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]</includeonly>
<noinclude>'''Usage:'''
<nowiki>{{Masterwork kobold building profession|Gong}}</nowiki> results in [[Mechanics]].</noinclude>

Template:Masterwork kobold building profession

2013-09-01T10:16:49Z

Asva:

<noinclude>Rips directly from raws the job required to build workshop. List of jobs is not yet complete.</noinclude>
<includeonly>[[{{#df_tagentry:
{{#df_raw:
[MINING:Mining]
[CARPENTRY:Carpentry]
[BOWYER:Crossbow-making]
[WOODCUTTING:Wood Cutting]
[MASONRY:Masonry]
[DETAILSTONE:Stone Detailing]
[ANIMALTRAIN:Animal Training]
[ANIMALCARE:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[TRAPPING:Trapping]
[DISSECT_VERMIN:Small Animal Dissection]
[DIAGNOSE:Diagnosis]
[SURGERY:Surgery]
[SET_BONE:Setting Bones]
[SUTURE:Suturing]
[DRESS_WOUNDS:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[BUTCHER:Butchery]
[TANNER:Tanner]
[PLANT:Farming]
[DYER:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[WOOD_BURNING:Oven Operating]
[POTASH_MAKING:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[LYE_MAKING:Archeology]
[BREWING:Brewing]
[HERBALISM:Herbalism]
[MILLING:Milling]
[CHEESEMAKING:Cheese making]
[MILK:Milking]
[SHEARING:Shearing]
[SPINNING:Spinning]
[COOK:Cooking]
[PROCESSPLANTS:Researching/Inventing]
[BEEKEEPING:Hivekeeping]
[FISH:Fishing]
POTTERY GLAZING PRESSING WAX_WORKING
[PROCESSFISH:Fish Cleaning]
[DISSECT_FISH:Fish Farming]
[SMELT:Furnace Operating]
[FORGE_WEAPON:Weaponsmithing]
[FORGE_ARMOR:Armoring]
[FORGE_FURNITURE:Blacksmithing]
[METALCRAFT:Metalcrafting]
[CUTGEM:Gem Cutting]
[ENCRUSTGEM:Gem Setting]
[LEATHERWORK:Leatherworking]
[WOODCRAFT:Woodcrafting]
[STONECRAFT:Stonecrafting]
[BONECARVE:Bone Carving]
[GLASSMAKER:Glassmaking]
[WEAVING:Weaving]
[CLOTHESMAKING:Tailoring]
[EXTRACT_STRAND:Praying]
[1:Writing]
[1:Playing Music]
[SOAP_MAKING:Wax/Poison Working]
[SIEGECRAFT:Siege Operating]
[MECHANIC:Mechanics]
[OPERATE_PUMP:Machine Operating]
[1:Stone Hauling]
[1:Wood Hauling]
[1:Item Hauling]
[1:Burial]
[1:Food Hauling]
[1:Refuse Hauling]
[1:Furniture Hauling]
[1:Animal Hauling]
[1:Push/Haul Vehicles]
[1:Architecture]
[ALCHEMY:Sorcery]
[1:Cleaning]

Battle professions

[AXE:Axe]
[SWORD:Sword]
[DAGGER:Knife]
[MACE:Mace]
[HAMMER:Hammer]
[SPEAR:Spear]
[CROSSBOW:Crossbow]
[SHIELD:Shield]
[ARMOR:Armor]
[PIKE:Pike]
[WHIP:Lash]
[BOW:Bow]
[BLOWGUN:Blowgun]
[THROW:Throwing]

Other professions

[CRUTCH_WALK:CRUTCH_WALK]
[MAGIC_NATURE:MAGIC_NATURE]
[SNEAK:Ambush]
[DESIGNBUILDING:Building Design]
[SWIMMING:Swimming]
[PERSUASION:Persuasion]
[NEGOTIATION:Negotiation]
[JUDGING_INTENT:Judging Intent]
[APPRAISAL:Appraisal]
[ORGANIZATION:Organization]
[RECORD_KEEPING:Record Keeping]
[LYING:Lying]
[INTIMIDATION:Intimidation]
[CONVERSATION:Conversation]
[COMEDY:Comedy]
[FLATTERY:Flattery]
[CONSOLE:Consoling]
[PACIFY:Pacification]
[TRACKING:Tracking]
[KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:Studying]
[CONCENTRATION:Concentration]
[DISCIPLINE:Discipline]
[SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:Observation]
[WRITING:Writing]
[PROSE:Prose]
[POETRY:Poetry]
[READING:Reading]
[SPEAKING:Speaking]
[COORDINATION:Coordination]
[BALANCE:Balance]
[LEADERSHIP:Leadership]
[TEACHING:Teaching]
[MELEE_COMBAT:Fighting]
[RANGED_COMBAT:Archery]
[WRESTLING:Wrestling]
[BITE:Biting]
[GRASP_STRIKE:Striking]
[STANCE_STRIKE:Kicking]
[DODGING:Dodging]
[MISC_WEAPON:Misc. Object]
[KNAPPING:Knapping]
[MILITARY_TACTICS:Military Tactics]
}}
|{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|{{uc:{{{1}}}}}|Check the list of the template!}}
|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]</includeonly>
<noiclude>'''Usage:'''
<nowiki>{{Masterwork kobold building profession|Gong}}</nowiki> results in [[Mechanics]].</noinclude>

Template:Masterwork kobold building profession

2013-09-01T10:15:31Z

Asva:

<noinclude>Rips directly from raws the job required to build workshop. List of jobs is not yet complete.</noinclude>
<includeonly>[[{{#df_tagentry:
{{#df_raw:
[MINING:Mining]
[CARPENTRY:Carpentry]
[BOWYER:Crossbow-making]
[WOODCUTTING:Wood Cutting]
[MASONRY:Masonry]
[DETAILSTONE:Stone Detailing]
[ANIMALTRAIN:Animal Training]
[ANIMALCARE:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[TRAPPING:Trapping]
[DISSECT_VERMIN:Small Animal Dissection]
[DIAGNOSE:Diagnosis]
[SURGERY:Surgery]
[SET_BONE:Setting Bones]
[SUTURE:Suturing]
[DRESS_WOUNDS:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[BUTCHER:Butchery]
[TANNER:Tanner]
[PLANT:Farming]
[DYER:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[WOOD_BURNING:Oven Operating]
[POTASH_MAKING:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[LYE_MAKING:Archeology]
[BREWING:Brewing]
[HERBALISM:Herbalism]
[MILLING:Milling]
[CHEESEMAKING:Cheese making]
[MILK:Milking]
[SHEARING:Shearing]
[SPINNING:Spinning]
[COOK:Cooking]
[PROCESSPLANTS:Researching/Inventing]
[BEEKEEPING:Hivekeeping]
[FISH:Fishing]
POTTERY GLAZING PRESSING WAX_WORKING
[PROCESSFISH:Fish Cleaning]
[DISSECT_FISH:Fish Farming]
[SMELT:Furnace Operating]
[FORGE_WEAPON:Weaponsmithing]
[FORGE_ARMOR:Armoring]
[FORGE_FURNITURE:Blacksmithing]
[METALCRAFT:Metalcrafting]
[CUTGEM:Gem Cutting]
[ENCRUSTGEM:Gem Setting]
[LEATHERWORK:Leatherworking]
[WOODCRAFT:Woodcrafting]
[STONECRAFT:Stonecrafting]
[BONECARVE:Bone Carving]
[GLASSMAKER:Glassmaking]
[WEAVING:Weaving]
[CLOTHESMAKING:Tailoring]
[EXTRACT_STRAND:Praying]
[1:Writing]
[1:Playing Music]
[SOAP_MAKING:Wax/Poison Working]
[SIEGECRAFT:Siege Operating]
[MECHANIC:Mechanics]
[OPERATE_PUMP:Machine Operating]
[1:Stone Hauling]
[1:Wood Hauling]
[1:Item Hauling]
[1:Burial]
[1:Food Hauling]
[1:Refuse Hauling]
[1:Furniture Hauling]
[1:Animal Hauling]
[1:Push/Haul Vehicles]
[1:Architecture]
[ALCHEMY:Sorcery]
[1:Cleaning]

Battle professions

[AXE:Axe]
[SWORD:Sword]
[DAGGER:Knife]
[MACE:Mace]
[HAMMER:Hammer]
[SPEAR:Spear]
[CROSSBOW:Crossbow]
[SHIELD:Shield]
[ARMOR:Armor]
[PIKE:Pike]
[WHIP:Lash]
[BOW:Bow]
[BLOWGUN:Blowgun]
[THROW:Throwing]

Other professions

[CRUTCH_WALK:CRUTCH_WALK]
[MAGIC_NATURE:MAGIC_NATURE]
[SNEAK:Ambush]
[DESIGNBUILDING:Building Design]
[SWIMMING:Swimming]
[PERSUASION:Persuasion]
[NEGOTIATION:Negotiation]
[JUDGING_INTENT:Judging Intent]
[APPRAISAL:Appraisal]
[ORGANIZATION:Organization]
[RECORD_KEEPING:Record Keeping]
[LYING:Lying]
[INTIMIDATION:Intimidation]
[CONVERSATION:Conversation]
[COMEDY:Comedy]
[FLATTERY:Flattery]
[CONSOLE:Consoling]
[PACIFY:Pacification]
[TRACKING:Tracking]
[KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:Studying]
[CONCENTRATION:Concentration]
[DISCIPLINE:Discipline]
[SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:Observation]
[WRITING:Writing]
[PROSE:Prose]
[POETRY:Poetry]
[READING:Reading]
[SPEAKING:Speaking]
[COORDINATION:Coordination]
[BALANCE:Balance]
[LEADERSHIP:Leadership]
[TEACHING:Teaching]
[MELEE_COMBAT:Fighting]
[RANGED_COMBAT:Archery]
[WRESTLING:Wrestling]
[BITE:Biting]
[GRASP_STRIKE:Striking]
[STANCE_STRIKE:Kicking]
[DODGING:Dodging]
[MISC_WEAPON:Misc. Object]
[KNAPPING:Knapping]
[MILITARY_TACTICS:Military Tactics]
}}
|{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|{{uc:{{{1}}}}}|Check the list of the template!}}
|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]</includeonly>
<noiclude>'''Usage:'''
<nowiki>{{Masterwork kobold building profession|Gong}}</nowiki> results in [[Mechanics]].
</noinclude>

Template:Masterwork kobold building profession

2013-09-01T10:08:58Z

Asva:

<noinclude>Rips job required to build workshop directly from raws, 1 entry. List is not yet complete.</noinclude>
[[{{#df_tagentry:
{{#df_raw:
[MINING:Mining]
[CARPENTRY:Carpentry]
[BOWYER:Crossbow-making]
[WOODCUTTING:Wood Cutting]
[MASONRY:Masonry]
[DETAILSTONE:Stone Detailing]
[ANIMALTRAIN:Animal Training]
[ANIMALCARE:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[TRAPPING:Trapping]
[DISSECT_VERMIN:Small Animal Dissection]
[DIAGNOSE:Diagnosis]
[SURGERY:Surgery]
[SET_BONE:Setting Bones]
[SUTURE:Suturing]
[DRESS_WOUNDS:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[BUTCHER:Butchery]
[TANNER:Tanner]
[PLANT:Farming]
[DYER:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[WOOD_BURNING:Oven Operating]
[POTASH_MAKING:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[LYE_MAKING:Archeology]
[BREWING:Brewing]
[HERBALISM:Herbalism]
[MILLING:Milling]
[CHEESEMAKING:Cheese making]
[MILK:Milking]
[SHEARING:Shearing]
[SPINNING:Spinning]
[COOK:Cooking]
[PROCESSPLANTS:Researching/Inventing]
[BEEKEEPING:Hivekeeping]
[FISH:Fishing]
POTTERY GLAZING PRESSING WAX_WORKING
[PROCESSFISH:Fish Cleaning]
[DISSECT_FISH:Fish Farming]
[SMELT:Furnace Operating]
[FORGE_WEAPON:Weaponsmithing]
[FORGE_ARMOR:Armoring]
[FORGE_FURNITURE:Blacksmithing]
[METALCRAFT:Metalcrafting]
[CUTGEM:Gem Cutting]
[ENCRUSTGEM:Gem Setting]
[LEATHERWORK:Leatherworking]
[WOODCRAFT:Woodcrafting]
[STONECRAFT:Stonecrafting]
[BONECARVE:Bone Carving]
[GLASSMAKER:Glassmaking]
[WEAVING:Weaving]
[CLOTHESMAKING:Tailoring]
[EXTRACT_STRAND:Praying]
[1:Writing]
[1:Playing Music]
[SOAP_MAKING:Wax/Poison Working]
[SIEGECRAFT:Siege Operating]
[MECHANIC:Mechanics]
[OPERATE_PUMP:Machine Operating]
[1:Stone Hauling]
[1:Wood Hauling]
[1:Item Hauling]
[1:Burial]
[1:Food Hauling]
[1:Refuse Hauling]
[1:Furniture Hauling]
[1:Animal Hauling]
[1:Push/Haul Vehicles]
[1:Architecture]
[ALCHEMY:Sorcery]
[1:Cleaning]

Battle professions

[AXE:Axe]
[SWORD:Sword]
[DAGGER:Knife]
[MACE:Mace]
[HAMMER:Hammer]
[SPEAR:Spear]
[CROSSBOW:Crossbow]
[SHIELD:Shield]
[ARMOR:Armor]
[PIKE:Pike]
[WHIP:Lash]
[BOW:Bow]
[BLOWGUN:Blowgun]
[THROW:Throwing]

Other professions

[CRUTCH_WALK:CRUTCH_WALK]
[MAGIC_NATURE:MAGIC_NATURE]
[SNEAK:Ambush]
[DESIGNBUILDING:Building Design]
[SWIMMING:Swimming]
[PERSUASION:Persuasion]
[NEGOTIATION:Negotiation]
[JUDGING_INTENT:Judging Intent]
[APPRAISAL:Appraisal]
[ORGANIZATION:Organization]
[RECORD_KEEPING:Record Keeping]
[LYING:Lying]
[INTIMIDATION:Intimidation]
[CONVERSATION:Conversation]
[COMEDY:Comedy]
[FLATTERY:Flattery]
[CONSOLE:Consoling]
[PACIFY:Pacification]
[TRACKING:Tracking]
[KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:Studying]
[CONCENTRATION:Concentration]
[DISCIPLINE:Discipline]
[SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:Observation]
[WRITING:Writing]
[PROSE:Prose]
[POETRY:Poetry]
[READING:Reading]
[SPEAKING:Speaking]
[COORDINATION:Coordination]
[BALANCE:Balance]
[LEADERSHIP:Leadership]
[TEACHING:Teaching]
[MELEE_COMBAT:Fighting]
[RANGED_COMBAT:Archery]
[WRESTLING:Wrestling]
[BITE:Biting]
[GRASP_STRIKE:Striking]
[STANCE_STRIKE:Kicking]
[DODGING:Dodging]
[MISC_WEAPON:Misc. Object]
[KNAPPING:Knapping]
[MILITARY_TACTICS:Military Tactics]
}}
|{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|{{uc:{{{1}}}}}|Check the list of the template!}}
|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]

<noiclude>'''Usage:'''
<nowiki>{{Masterwork kobold building profession|Gong}}</nowiki> results in [[Mechanics]].
</noinclude>

Template:Masterwork kobold building profession

2013-09-01T10:07:00Z

Asva:

User talk:Asva

2013-09-01T09:49:59Z

Asva:

Toying around with parser.
{{#df_tag:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|GONG|Not found!}}|CAN_USE_ARTIFACT}}<br/>
{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|GONG|'''Error, check raws!'''}}|BUILD_KEY|0|1|'''Error, check raws!'''|}}<br/>

{{#df_foreachtag:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:reaction_kobold.txt}}|BUILDING|"\2"}}

=== Alien examples ===
{{#df_makelist:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:inorganic_mineral.txt}}|INORGANIC|"\2 \1"|ENVIRONMENT_SPEC:2:1:MAGNETITE|STATE:NAME:SOLID}}

=== Profession ripping ===
[[{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:Profession/raw|PROFESSION|DWARF}}|
{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|{{uc:{{PAGENAME}}}}|Unknown!}}|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]
{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|GONG|Unknown!}}|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}
<br/>

[[{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:Profession/raw|PROFESSION|DWARF}}|
{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|GONG|Unknown!}}|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]

[[{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:[PROFESSION:DWARF]
[MINING:Mining]
[CARPENTRY:Carpentry]
[BOWYER:Crossbow-making]
[WOODCUTTING:Wood Cutting]
[MASONRY:Masonry]
[DETAILSTONE:Stone Detailing]
[ANIMALTRAIN:Animal Training]
[ANIMALCARE:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[TRAPPING:Trapping]
[DISSECT_VERMIN:Small Animal Dissection]
[DIAGNOSE:Diagnosis]
[SURGERY:Surgery]
[SET_BONE:Setting Bones]
[SUTURE:Suturing]
[DRESS_WOUNDS:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[BUTCHER:Butchery]
[TANNER:Tanner]
[PLANT:Farming]
[DYER:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[WOOD_BURNING:Oven Operating]
[POTASH_MAKING:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[LYE_MAKING:Archeology]
[BREWING:Brewing]
[HERBALISM:Herbalism]
[MILLING:Milling]
[CHEESEMAKING:Cheese making]
[MILK:Milking]
[SHEARING:Shearing]
[SPINNING:Spinning]
[COOK:Cooking]
[PROCESSPLANTS:Researching/Inventing]
[BEEKEEPING:Hivekeeping]
[FISH:Fishing]
POTTERY GLAZING PRESSING WAX_WORKING
[PROCESSFISH:Fish Cleaning]
[DISSECT_FISH:Fish Farming]
[SMELT:Furnace Operating]
[FORGE_WEAPON:Weaponsmithing]
[FORGE_ARMOR:Armoring]
[FORGE_FURNITURE:Blacksmithing]
[METALCRAFT:Metalcrafting]
[CUTGEM:Gem Cutting]
[ENCRUSTGEM:Gem Setting]
[LEATHERWORK:Leatherworking]
[WOODCRAFT:Woodcrafting]
[STONECRAFT:Stonecrafting]
[BONECARVE:Bone Carving]
[GLASSMAKER:Glassmaking]
[WEAVING:Weaving]
[CLOTHESMAKING:Tailoring]
[EXTRACT_STRAND:Praying]
[1:Writing]
[1:Playing Music]
[SOAP_MAKING:Wax/Poison Working]
[SIEGECRAFT:Siege Operating]
[MECHANIC:Mechanics]
[OPERATE_PUMP:Machine Operating]
[1:Stone Hauling]
[1:Wood Hauling]
[1:Item Hauling]
[1:Burial]
[1:Food Hauling]
[1:Refuse Hauling]
[1:Furniture Hauling]
[1:Animal Hauling]
[1:Push/Haul Vehicles]
[1:Architecture]
[ALCHEMY:Sorcery]
[1:Cleaning]

Battle professions

[AXE:Axe]
[SWORD:Sword]
[DAGGER:Knife]
[MACE:Mace]
[HAMMER:Hammer]
[SPEAR:Spear]
[CROSSBOW:Crossbow]
[SHIELD:Shield]
[ARMOR:Armor]
[PIKE:Pike]
[WHIP:Lash]
[BOW:Bow]
[BLOWGUN:Blowgun]
[THROW:Throwing]

Other professions

[CRUTCH_WALK:CRUTCH_WALK]
[MAGIC_NATURE:MAGIC_NATURE]
[SNEAK:Ambush]
[DESIGNBUILDING:Building Design]
[SWIMMING:Swimming]
[PERSUASION:Persuasion]
[NEGOTIATION:Negotiation]
[JUDGING_INTENT:Judging Intent]
[APPRAISAL:Appraisal]
[ORGANIZATION:Organization]
[RECORD_KEEPING:Record Keeping]
[LYING:Lying]
[INTIMIDATION:Intimidation]
[CONVERSATION:Conversation]
[COMEDY:Comedy]
[FLATTERY:Flattery]
[CONSOLE:Consoling]
[PACIFY:Pacification]
[TRACKING:Tracking]
[KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:Studying]
[CONCENTRATION:Concentration]
[DISCIPLINE:Discipline]
[SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:Observation]
[WRITING:Writing]
[PROSE:Prose]
[POETRY:Poetry]
[READING:Reading]
[SPEAKING:Speaking]
[COORDINATION:Coordination]
[BALANCE:Balance]
[LEADERSHIP:Leadership]
[TEACHING:Teaching]
[MELEE_COMBAT:Fighting]
[RANGED_COMBAT:Archery]
[WRESTLING:Wrestling]
[BITE:Biting]
[GRASP_STRIKE:Striking]
[STANCE_STRIKE:Kicking]
[DODGING:Dodging]
[MISC_WEAPON:Misc. Object]
[KNAPPING:Knapping]
[MILITARY_TACTICS:Military Tactics]
|PROFESSION|DWARF}}|
{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|GONG|Unknown!}}|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]

Template:Masterwork kobold building profession

2013-09-01T09:45:50Z

Asva: Rips job required to build workshop directly from raws. List is not yet complete.

<noinclude>Rips job required to build workshop directly from raws, input data is pagename. List is not yet complete.</noinclude>
[[{{#df_tagentry:
{{#df_raw:
[MINING:Mining]
[CARPENTRY:Carpentry]
[BOWYER:Crossbow-making]
[WOODCUTTING:Wood Cutting]
[MASONRY:Masonry]
[DETAILSTONE:Stone Detailing]
[ANIMALTRAIN:Animal Training]
[ANIMALCARE:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[TRAPPING:Trapping]
[DISSECT_VERMIN:Small Animal Dissection]
[DIAGNOSE:Diagnosis]
[SURGERY:Surgery]
[SET_BONE:Setting Bones]
[SUTURE:Suturing]
[DRESS_WOUNDS:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[BUTCHER:Butchery]
[TANNER:Tanner]
[PLANT:Farming]
[DYER:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[WOOD_BURNING:Oven Operating]
[POTASH_MAKING:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[LYE_MAKING:Archeology]
[BREWING:Brewing]
[HERBALISM:Herbalism]
[MILLING:Milling]
[CHEESEMAKING:Cheese making]
[MILK:Milking]
[SHEARING:Shearing]
[SPINNING:Spinning]
[COOK:Cooking]
[PROCESSPLANTS:Researching/Inventing]
[BEEKEEPING:Hivekeeping]
[FISH:Fishing]
POTTERY GLAZING PRESSING WAX_WORKING
[PROCESSFISH:Fish Cleaning]
[DISSECT_FISH:Fish Farming]
[SMELT:Furnace Operating]
[FORGE_WEAPON:Weaponsmithing]
[FORGE_ARMOR:Armoring]
[FORGE_FURNITURE:Blacksmithing]
[METALCRAFT:Metalcrafting]
[CUTGEM:Gem Cutting]
[ENCRUSTGEM:Gem Setting]
[LEATHERWORK:Leatherworking]
[WOODCRAFT:Woodcrafting]
[STONECRAFT:Stonecrafting]
[BONECARVE:Bone Carving]
[GLASSMAKER:Glassmaking]
[WEAVING:Weaving]
[CLOTHESMAKING:Tailoring]
[EXTRACT_STRAND:Praying]
[1:Writing]
[1:Playing Music]
[SOAP_MAKING:Wax/Poison Working]
[SIEGECRAFT:Siege Operating]
[MECHANIC:Mechanics]
[OPERATE_PUMP:Machine Operating]
[1:Stone Hauling]
[1:Wood Hauling]
[1:Item Hauling]
[1:Burial]
[1:Food Hauling]
[1:Refuse Hauling]
[1:Furniture Hauling]
[1:Animal Hauling]
[1:Push/Haul Vehicles]
[1:Architecture]
[ALCHEMY:Sorcery]
[1:Cleaning]

Battle professions

[AXE:Axe]
[SWORD:Sword]
[DAGGER:Knife]
[MACE:Mace]
[HAMMER:Hammer]
[SPEAR:Spear]
[CROSSBOW:Crossbow]
[SHIELD:Shield]
[ARMOR:Armor]
[PIKE:Pike]
[WHIP:Lash]
[BOW:Bow]
[BLOWGUN:Blowgun]
[THROW:Throwing]

Other professions

[CRUTCH_WALK:CRUTCH_WALK]
[MAGIC_NATURE:MAGIC_NATURE]
[SNEAK:Ambush]
[DESIGNBUILDING:Building Design]
[SWIMMING:Swimming]
[PERSUASION:Persuasion]
[NEGOTIATION:Negotiation]
[JUDGING_INTENT:Judging Intent]
[APPRAISAL:Appraisal]
[ORGANIZATION:Organization]
[RECORD_KEEPING:Record Keeping]
[LYING:Lying]
[INTIMIDATION:Intimidation]
[CONVERSATION:Conversation]
[COMEDY:Comedy]
[FLATTERY:Flattery]
[CONSOLE:Consoling]
[PACIFY:Pacification]
[TRACKING:Tracking]
[KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:Studying]
[CONCENTRATION:Concentration]
[DISCIPLINE:Discipline]
[SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:Observation]
[WRITING:Writing]
[PROSE:Prose]
[POETRY:Poetry]
[READING:Reading]
[SPEAKING:Speaking]
[COORDINATION:Coordination]
[BALANCE:Balance]
[LEADERSHIP:Leadership]
[TEACHING:Teaching]
[MELEE_COMBAT:Fighting]
[RANGED_COMBAT:Archery]
[WRESTLING:Wrestling]
[BITE:Biting]
[GRASP_STRIKE:Striking]
[STANCE_STRIKE:Kicking]
[DODGING:Dodging]
[MISC_WEAPON:Misc. Object]
[KNAPPING:Knapping]
[MILITARY_TACTICS:Military Tactics]
}}
|{{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|{{uc:{{PAGENAME}}}}|Check the list of the template!}}
|BUILD_LABOR|0|1|Unknown!|}}|0|1|Unknown!|}}]]

Masterwork:Profession/raw

2013-09-01T09:23:26Z

Asva:

[PROFESSION:DWARF]
[MINING:Mining]
[CARPENTRY:Carpentry]
[BOWYER:Crossbow-making]
[WOODCUTTING:Wood Cutting]
[MASONRY:Masonry]
[DETAILSTONE:Stone Detailing]
[ANIMALTRAIN:Animal Training]
[ANIMALCARE:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[TRAPPING:Trapping]
[DISSECT_VERMIN:Small Animal Dissection]
[DIAGNOSE:Diagnosis]
[SURGERY:Surgery]
[SET_BONE:Setting Bones]
[SUTURE:Suturing]
[DRESS_WOUNDS:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[BUTCHER:Butchery]
[TANNER:Tanner]
[PLANT:Farming]
[DYER:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[WOOD_BURNING:Oven Operating]
[POTASH_MAKING:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[LYE_MAKING:Archeology]
[BREWING:Brewing]
[HERBALISM:Herbalism]
[MILLING:Milling]
[CHEESEMAKING:Cheese making]
[MILK:Milking]
[SHEARING:Shearing]
[SPINNING:Spinning]
[COOK:Cooking]
[PROCESSPLANTS:Researching/Inventing]
[BEEKEEPING:Hivekeeping]
[FISH:Fishing]
POTTERY GLAZING PRESSING WAX_WORKING
[PROCESSFISH:Fish Cleaning]
[DISSECT_FISH:Fish Farming]
[SMELT:Furnace Operating]
[FORGE_WEAPON:Weaponsmithing]
[FORGE_ARMOR:Armoring]
[FORGE_FURNITURE:Blacksmithing]
[METALCRAFT:Metalcrafting]
[CUTGEM:Gem Cutting]
[ENCRUSTGEM:Gem Setting]
[LEATHERWORK:Leatherworking]
[WOODCRAFT:Woodcrafting]
[STONECRAFT:Stonecrafting]
[BONECARVE:Bone Carving]
[GLASSMAKER:Glassmaking]
[WEAVING:Weaving]
[CLOTHESMAKING:Tailoring]
[EXTRACT_STRAND:Praying]
[1:Writing]
[1:Playing Music]
[SOAP_MAKING:Wax/Poison Working]
[SIEGECRAFT:Siege Operating]
[MECHANIC:Mechanics]
[OPERATE_PUMP:Machine Operating]
[1:Stone Hauling]
[1:Wood Hauling]
[1:Item Hauling]
[1:Burial]
[1:Food Hauling]
[1:Refuse Hauling]
[1:Furniture Hauling]
[1:Animal Hauling]
[1:Push/Haul Vehicles]
[1:Architecture]
[ALCHEMY:Sorcery]
[1:Cleaning]

Battle professions

[AXE:Axe]
[SWORD:Sword]
[DAGGER:Knife]
[MACE:Mace]
[HAMMER:Hammer]
[SPEAR:Spear]
[CROSSBOW:Crossbow]
[SHIELD:Shield]
[ARMOR:Armor]
[PIKE:Pike]
[WHIP:Lash]
[BOW:Bow]
[BLOWGUN:Blowgun]
[THROW:Throwing]

Other professions

[CRUTCH_WALK:CRUTCH_WALK]
[MAGIC_NATURE:MAGIC_NATURE]
[SNEAK:Ambush]
[DESIGNBUILDING:Building Design]
[SWIMMING:Swimming]
[PERSUASION:Persuasion]
[NEGOTIATION:Negotiation]
[JUDGING_INTENT:Judging Intent]
[APPRAISAL:Appraisal]
[ORGANIZATION:Organization]
[RECORD_KEEPING:Record Keeping]
[LYING:Lying]
[INTIMIDATION:Intimidation]
[CONVERSATION:Conversation]
[COMEDY:Comedy]
[FLATTERY:Flattery]
[CONSOLE:Consoling]
[PACIFY:Pacification]
[TRACKING:Tracking]
[KNOWLEDGE_ACQUISITION:Studying]
[CONCENTRATION:Concentration]
[DISCIPLINE:Discipline]
[SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:Observation]
[WRITING:Writing]
[PROSE:Prose]
[POETRY:Poetry]
[READING:Reading]
[SPEAKING:Speaking]
[COORDINATION:Coordination]
[BALANCE:Balance]
[LEADERSHIP:Leadership]
[TEACHING:Teaching]
[MELEE_COMBAT:Fighting]
[RANGED_COMBAT:Archery]
[WRESTLING:Wrestling]
[BITE:Biting]
[GRASP_STRIKE:Striking]
[STANCE_STRIKE:Kicking]
[DODGING:Dodging]
[MISC_WEAPON:Misc. Object]
[KNAPPING:Knapping]
[MILITARY_TACTICS:Military Tactics]

User talk:Asva

2013-09-01T09:11:10Z

Asva:

Masterwork:Profession

2013-09-01T08:50:42Z

Asva: Created page with "<noinclude></noinclude> {{gamedata}}"

<noinclude></noinclude>
{{gamedata}}

Masterwork:Profession/raw

2013-09-01T08:50:33Z

Asva: Created page with "[PROFESSION:DWARF] [1:Mining] [1:Carpentry] [1:Crossbow-making] [1:Wood Cutting] [1:Masonry] [1:Stone Detailing] [1:Animal Training] [1:Animal Armoring] [1:Hunting] ..."

[PROFESSION:DWARF]
[1:Mining]
[1:Carpentry]
[1:Crossbow-making]
[1:Wood Cutting]
[1:Masonry]
[1:Stone Detailing]
[1:Animal Training]
[1:Animal Armoring]
[1:Hunting]
[1:Trapping]
[1:Small Animal Dissection]
[1:Diagnosis]
[1:Surgery]
[1:Setting Bones]
[1:Suturing]
[1:Dressing Wounds]
[1:Feed Patients/Prisoners]
[1:Recovering Wounded]
[1:Butchery]
[1:Tanner]
[1:Farming]
[1:Dyeing]
[1:Diplomacy]
[1:Oven Operating]
[1:Alchemy]
[1:Chemistry]
[1:Archeology]
[1:Brewing]
[1:Herbalism]
[1:Milling]
[1:Cheese making]
[1:Milking]
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User talk:Asva

2013-08-31T10:59:29Z

Asva: Created page with "Toying around with parser. {{#df_tag:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:building_kobold.txt|BUILDING_WORKSHOP|GONG|Not found!}}|CAN_USE_ARTIFACT}}<br/> {{#df_tagentry:{{#df_raw:Masterwork:b..."

User talk:Quietust

2013-08-31T07:46:09Z

Asva: /* Parser issue */

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==Comments==
:Please place new comments at the ''top'' of this section. If you are replying to a message I placed on your user talk page, please place the reply on ''your'' talk page. To add a comment, simply [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Quietust&action=edit&section=2 edit this section] and add a new subsection (with ''three'' equals signs around the title).
=== Parser issue ===
Hey Quietust, little question for you. I have put DFRawFunctions into extensions folder of mediawiki. Then installed both php files in LocalSettings.php. Yet <nowiki>{{#df_raw}}</nowiki> gives "Not found!", being unable to find the file. Are "raws" meant to be placed in special location? Or maybe few lines are to be added in LocalSettings.php?
<br/>P.S. Question is not related to english wiki but russian one. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 06:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== Bot files ===
Do you happen to have the text files used to generate the DF2012 raw pages (the format you mentioned on [[User talk:J. d'Orc]])? I was thinking of making similar files for Masterwork pages, and I wanted to make sure I was formatting them correctly. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Sample data:
toad DF2012:creature_amphibians.txt creature CREATURE TOAD
worm DF2012:creature_annelids.txt creature CREATURE WORM
blue jay DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_BLUEJAY
cardinal DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_CARDINAL
penguin man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PENGUIN MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
giant penguin DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_PENGUIN_GIANT DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
peregrine falcon man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PEREGRINE FALCON MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
:Column 1 is the page name, column 2 is the raw file that contains it, column 3 is what goes into the category name (e.g. "Category:DF2012:Creature raw pages"), column 4 is the object type (should always be CREATURE here), column 5 is the creature's ID token, and column 6 (optional) is the file that contains all of the variations used by the creature. Note that some of the Masterwork creatures will probably require '''multiple''' creature variation files - for those, you should specify the variation files separated by a "|" character. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 21:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

=== Hi ===
Just wanted to stop by and say hi, and thanks for correcting [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012%3AExtinction&diff=189929&oldid=189928 stupid things] I've been sprinkling about. Shoutout to [[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] and [[User:Loci|Loci]] too, on that count. Nice wiki you got here. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 02:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

=== Patch Licence ===
Just a quick question about your MediaWiki patch at http://www.qmtpro.com/~quietust/misc/ns_link-1.17.0.diff
I don't see a licence for this patch specified anywhere. Is it also GPLv2?
:That's because there isn't one - I have more important things to do than explicitly license every piece of code I write. Since it modifies MediaWiki, assume that it uses the same license. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry for bothering you, and thanks.17:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::What version of MediaWiki are you using? If you're using 1.20+, there's a simpler version of the patch (although I'm not sure how to generate a patch file from it). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::It looks like this wiki has since been updated to version 1.20, and I'm guessing the original patch was simply reapplied to it. How exactly is it possible to simplify it? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 20:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::I managed to get it to work (on a separate wiki) from the first commit listed in the wiki repo ([https://github.com/illideristudios/dfwikifiles/commit/a2a78972134188af635775f7e7ca5483c11ac949 a2a78972]). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::That commit is enough to get basic links working, but unless you include the rest of the patch I highly suspect that interwiki links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[wikipedia:pagename]]</nowiki>") and fragment-only links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[#section]]</nowiki>" will be rather horribly broken... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Looks like you're right. I hadn't noticed that before, but they aren't interpreted as links at all. I'll try applying the rest of the patch now and see how that works on 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

=== Adding mod raws to DFRawFunctions ===
I was wondering what you thought about adding Masterwork raws (since it would make creating new Masterwork: pages a lot easier). They are significantly larger than the vanilla raws, but the individual files are small enough that they shouldn't cause much extra load (I can test this myself and let you know how it works with MediaWiki if you like). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
*DFRawFunctions can automatically load raws from disk for any namespace that exists on the wiki, so all I would need to do would be to add them to the Git repository and wait for the server to pick them up (as I recall, it does a periodic check). If you can provide me a copy of the raw files, I should be able to get them imported fairly quickly. One concern I have, though, is how often these raws are going to be changing... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::They do change periodically, but there usually aren't a lot of changes between versions. I sent you a PR, which (hopefully) works on MW 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you about this, but any idea what's causing the layout issues at [[Masterwork:Golem/raw]]? I haven't noticed any inconsistent indentation in the original file (creature_masterwork.txt), and I don't see any problems with the template either... --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:I'm assuming you're referring to the dotted-bordered boxes - those are caused by lines that have leading spaces '''before''' the tabs. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::Apparently my terminal doesn't display tabs the way I thought it did. That would explain it, thanks. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

===Link template===
I noticed you deleted [[:Template:L]] (in fact, it was over a year ago). I know it's probably unnecessary, but it renders the revision history of old pages practically unreadable (take [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=23a:Bedroom&oldid=123591 this page] for example). It's likely that someone else has pointed it out already and I didn't notice, in which case I apologize. I doubt many people tend to look at past revisions of pages, especially from old versions, but it would be nice to get rid of some of those red links. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see how it's a problem that outdated revisions of pages are unreadable due to a template being removed - the template could have just as easily been '''changed''' to something incompatible and the effect would've been the same. Besides, people shouldn't be looking at outdated revisions of pages anyways, because they're '''outdated''' and likely incorrect. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree that recreating an unused template is probably useless. I only ran across it when I was doing a little research and ran across a revision I didn't really need anyway. Also, since your bot fixed the links in the old namespaces, it really isn't a problem. If I ever need to look at an old revision (and to be honest, I'm not sure why I would either), I could always just view the source instead. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

===SPAMBOT DELETION===
Hey Quietust. I strongly suspect Hrtrey is a spambot. I reversed the edits made, but I thought I should point it out immediately since it began inserted external links at five minute intervals after the account creation, which seemed atypical.

===SLEEP_PRETENSION ===
I noticed your change to the Noble page recently and want to inquire about the noble logic. I was under the impression that nobles could get two different kinds of upset: their own room is under value, OR another dwarf has a room that exceeds the value that the other dwarf should have.

Do nobles actually compare their own rooms to the other dwarves, or do they just insist that other dwarves not exceed the other dwarves' place in society?
:I recently did some disassembly diving to figure out how that behavior actually worked, and it turns out it's 100% based on the other dwarf's room value compared to the noble's room value. Specifically, it takes the PRECEDENCE of each unit (for non-nobles, this is 30001), takes "(30001 - precedence) / 150" to get an "importance" figure (if the other dwarf's importance is greater than or equal to the noble's, it doesn't care), then it compares the other dwarf's room value to the highest valued room of that type belonging to the noble (it actually compares the room quality rating i.e. "Royal"/"Grand"/"Great"/etc.) and generates a complaint if the other's room is better '''or equal''' to the noble's room. The actual severity of the thought is "(importance_delta - 1) / 15 + (quality delta) + 1" , which corresponds to "put off"/"flustered"/"upset"//.../"traumatized"/"utterly traumatized". --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

=== Stockpile settings info ===
I'd like to read your oppinion on my planned long-term editing concerning [[User_talk:Emi#Stockpile_setting_info|Stockpile settings information]]. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 07:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

=== Any dragon fire proof materials? ===
Seeing you have mentioned that the dragonfire will melt dolomite, I guess there is no material safe from dragonfire in DF (except for dragon skin, bones, etc.), so maybe this note should have all material articles. (it is a mild Fun spoiler, though). Or the note about dragonfire it should be missing everywhere, because it is so general. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 21:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:Any material with a FIXED_TEMP is immune to dragonfire, which means that [[nether cap]] wood should be safe. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

===Ban===
Why did you ban my previus account (ilsinopeo)? I do not understand what is wrong in that username--Sinop
:I blocked it for the same reason that I've been blocking dozens of other accounts every day - it looked like a spambot, and it hadn't made a single edit within 2 hours of signup (lots of them have been known to wait several ''days'' before filling their talk page with spam links, hoping to escape detection). Also, why did you create a new account when '''Briess unbanned you about 6 hours ago'''? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
::Ops i did not notice that, my bad--[[User:Ilsinopeo|Ilsinopeo]] 12:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

===Binary Patches===
I've noticed some binary patches you've posted around and was wondering exactly what to do with them. I'm guessing something like CFF Explorer? Usually when I hex edit it's with Cheat Engine, so if I screw something up at least it's gone next program run. Wanted to make sure before I did anything drastic. Also, would those edits screw up tools like DFHack and Therapist that depend on exact offsets? [[User:Hesuchia|Hesuchia]] 17:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
*You apply them by editing the EXE file itself (while it's not running) with a hex-editor. The Windows patches ones won't affect any existing tools since said tools look at the PE timestamp (which doesn't get changed), and the patches themselves have no effect on any of the offsets. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Blocked for "Unacceptable username" ===
Why has my account (jimj316) been blocked? Just because it ends in a number?
If you need proof that I'm not a spambot, view the [[DF2012_Talk:Creature_token|Talk page for creature tokens]], where I left a message (before I made an account) about an edit I had made to improve the page.
[[Special:Contributions/212.219.142.161|212.219.142.161]] 09:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, it was because your username, like many of the spambots, ended with a number. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Potential contributor banned ===

I've got a message from 76.185.119.161 that he would like to contribute to the DF wiki, but his IP is banned. Why is he banned? Do you think you can unban him and see how it goes? --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 23:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

:FYI, that IP address is in the Road Runner IP block in the Dallas, Texas area. It's dynamically allocated to their customers so, unless this is a recent ban, the person who has it now probably isn't the same person who got it banned (assuming it's not part of a block of banned IP addresses). -- [[User:HiEv|<span style="color:#E05858;font-weight:bold;">Hi</span>]][[User talk:HiEv|<span style="color:#C06060;font-weight:bold;">Ev</span>]] 00:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::The ban is almost definitely an automatic one placed as a result of banning a suspected spambot - I need to which one it was (the wiki should say "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by 'username'") so I can remove it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::: Please remove it. I think it's unlikely that will cause any trouble. This is what he gets when he tries to create an account:
::::Login error Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by Dwarf Fortress Wiki. You cannot create an account (76.185.119.161)
:::--[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::There's nothing I can do to fix that one - you'll need to talk to Briess. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Have him try again now. If he still encounters the same issue, he'll have to apply to get his IP address removed from the blocklist at [http://www.spamhaus.org/lookup/] (I removed 3 of the blocklists we were using so it's only spamhaus now) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
::::<s>Just checked, he is listed on [http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL238586] so he'll need to follow those instructions to get delisted. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)</s> incorrect, this won't affect wiki signup --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you guys for looking into it. He said he would sign up soon now. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Would My Username Be Rejected? ===
I was reading the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] page, and was rather dismayed by all of the spammer usernames signing up, then being blocked. I do appreciate your hard work. It must feel like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysiphus Sysiphus' labor] sometimes.

But then it occurred to me... My name looks like a spammer's! If I signed up today, would I be blocked immediately?<br/>—[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Probably not - the recent spammers have been signing up with account names following very specific patterns, and yours doesn't match any of them. While you're here, I thought you might be interested in knowing that I've confirmed a lot of your findings from studying my disassembly of 0.23.130.23a - while lots of things have changed in the past 5 years, lots of other things have stayed exactly the same. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

===Registration Spam===
Q, methinks the method shown under "Comment Spam defeated at last" on Steve Hanov's Blog stevehanov.ca would save you a lot of work.
*You're talking to the wrong person - tell this to Briess or Emi. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:09, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking===
You always beat me to the punch! sadface --23:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

===More spammer blocking===
I see that in the last few batches of spammer blocking, [[User talk:KidsShoes|KidsShoes]] and [[User talk:DypeniWang|DypeniWang]], who I reported on May 8, were not included. Is there a better way to make these reports than on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]]? Or should I continue placing a note here if the first report doesn't work? --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 23:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:I've just reported [[User talk:Harry123|Harry123]] and noticed that my previous two reports on [[User talk:Justinakmw7640|Justinakmw7640]] and [[User talk:FixToolbox|FixToolbox]] have fallen through the cracks. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::While reporting [[User talk:BrettWCotton7|BrettWCotton7]], I noticed that [[User talk:Lonna44|Lonna44]] was overlooked. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 22:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking Vroomvroom1970===
I've reported [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] twice for spam on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]] at or near the same time as two other spamming users. While the other users were blocked ([[User talk:MikePlane1971|MikePlane1971]] and [[User talk:Meetcheese123|Meetcheese123]]), [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] has been overlooked both times, so I thought leaving a message here might work. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

===Clean up some deleted pages===
Hey Quietust, you seem to be the most active admin around. Could you look into deleting some of the pages currently marked for deletion? Most of them are obsolete, outdated, or otherwise superfluous. Thanks! [[User:Dree12|Dree12]] 00:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

===Creaturelookup/0 and Creaturedesc templates===
There seems to be an issue with the [[Template:Creaturelookup/0]] and/or [[Template:Creaturedesc]] and how they interact with the [[Giant badger]] and [[v0.31:Giant badger]] articles. I have no idea how they work so I can't really fix them myself, and I thought you might be able to help since I noticed you created them. --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 01:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's the same problem that affected the [[giant eagle]] - the raw file contains some extended ASCII characters encoded in Latin-1, but the wiki is expecting them to be UTF-8 and is choking on them. It'll be fixed once Emily updates the raws on the wiki servers. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::How should they be handled then? Remove the templates so the users can read what's present or leave it in there until the update? --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 02:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

===See Bot request===
Please see my request under bot requests, I believe you may have overlooked it. I would appreciate a response.
--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 22:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

===Gravitates/animal men===
Adjusted size of animal men per what you said, but token on token page doesn't quite say the same thing. Are adult animal men 70k regardless of size of animal?--[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 20:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
===DFRawFunctions===
I noticed that [[DF2012:Giant eagle]] was completely blank the other day, and have deduced that the problem lies in the following line used as part of a template on the /raw page:

<nowiki>{{#df_raw:DF2012:creature_birds_new.txt|CREATURE|GIANT_EAGLE|not found}}</nowiki>

I don't know why, but wherever this line is placed, it makes the entire page blank. Template calls on the giant eagle page have been commented out for now, so there's at least something visible on the page. I'm sure you know better than me what might cause this, the only thing I can see out of the ordinary here is some sponsorship text in the .txt right after the entry for giant eagles. Thanks for all you do around here! --[[Special:Contributions/74.105.187.80|74.105.187.80]] 08:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
*Read the [[DF2012 talk:Giant eagle|talk page]] - I already know exactly what the problem is and how to fix it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 12:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re:DFRawFunctions===
Pulled. I'll think up a way to make the process a little more automated. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 22:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

===Error submiting updates to DF2012:Creatures===
I have some more changes to make to the Creatures page, but when I try submitting them I get a blank page and no change is made to the page. Is this a problem with the server/page too big, or did I trip some anti-spamer protection with my series of edits? [[User:Organised chaos|Organised chaos]] 14:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re: Stuff===
Gonna go do it right now. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 21:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
===Good job===
Wiki update looks good - thanks for putting in the time to make it happen.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
=== A new list ===
Im a newbie at editing wiki's and what im looking for is a list of objects that cant be placed on the edge of the map (like the trade depot) Can you help me make such a page if one dosent already exist? [[Special:Contributions/97.103.243.208|97.103.243.208]] 18:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Frostbite ===
Is it a good idea to report [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=DF2010:Climate&curid=17187&diff=153614&oldid=153613 this] as a bug? [[User:Kogut|Kogut]] 10:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
:Wouldn't hurt, though there might already be a more general report for the other assorted problems with organic materials (e.g. body fat melting at 110°F, muscle/organs not taking heat damage until 282°F even though they'd have been thoroughly overcooked by then). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

===Creature Logic + diagrams===
Thanks for the edits to creature logic. It's probably not obvious, but I made an effort to use a preferred format, and all I found was [[Template:RT]] linked to from the community portal page, so I tried to imitate the example given on that page. If there is a preferred method, maybe someone (lol "someone," although really I'd be happy to do it if I knew enough/was important enough) can make a page and link the community portal to it rather than [[Template:RT]]? Might save you from some future tedium, unless of course you enjoy those kind of edits.

Also curious-- I don't know anything about electronics or computing, but I find myself distinguishing between half and full signals (or full and double signals, if you'd prefer-- opens vs open-closes) all the time. Within the electronics metaphor, are there appropriate words to distinguish between these two kinds of signals? That is, if an edge detector detects an "edge" signal, what kind of signal does it transmit?[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 00:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
:There isn't really a difference between the signal types, just how you react to them - a level-sensitive trigger does one thing if the signal is on and another thing if the signal is off, while an edge-sensitive trigger does one thing when the signal '''changes''' from off->on and a different thing when the signal changes from on->off. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt#Types_of_Interrupts this article] for more information. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

===Most annoying bugs===
Just curious what bugs are on the top of your list? I haven't played in several months, waiting for certain bugs to be fixed. I got the military to mostly work (besides all the labors being reset) so that wasn't a big deal. I think all the little bugs added up for me. --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:I've reported over a hundred bugs on the tracker and 82 of them are still open, some more serious than others. If I had to name the most annoying ones I've reported myself, they'd be: "Missing nobles (dungeon master, tax collector, etc.)", "Swimming FBs don't bother getting out of the water", "Soldiers equip golden salve vials as waterskins", "Caravan pack animals stand on top of floor hatches over ramps", "Building destroyers destroy floor grates over open space", "Caravans don't bring wagons", and "Siege trolls lag the game to hell"; for ones others have reported, "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed", "Flowing water pushes items into hammerspace", "Magma kills things WAY too slowly", "Dwarves don't wear new clothes", "Dwarves give water to dwarves already drinking from booze barrels" + "Dwarves leave water buckets lying all over the fortress" + "Dwarves use water buckets when making lye", "Metalsmithing jobs only use one bar", and "Gem items don't get stockpiled". I don't mind the "Humans have no guild representatives", "Elves have no diplomats", and "You can't make crystal glass" bugs, since I've fixed all of them myself. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I know you've reported a lot, which is great. I've only reported 12, 7 still open. Did you figure out a workaround for the missing nobles? I noticed you were doing a lot of research on that area. How does "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" affect you? The dwarfs leaving their food to rot all over? I don't let my military carry ratios. My soldiers do get a bad thought, but the happiness system is pretty out of wack now, so all they have to do is dine in a nice place and they're in heaven! I agree that the buckets coupled to the healthcare is a hassle. That and the transporting of barrels to the depot. Metalsmithing jobs only using one bar is a balancing issue, so it doesn't bother me much. I just reviewed my watch list and others that bother me are "Items are hauled to bins before the bins are installed into the correct stockpile." "Dwarves choose far-away stones instead of nearby ones", "Civilians assigned to burrows while hauling something spam "dropoff inaccessible"", not being able to toggle the usability of obsidian, and "Equipment mismatch error message means nothing". That last one makes setting up a military a bit tough. Those would have to be the most annoying to me. Sometimes I really miss the 40d days. I tried going back, but all the keys are different and it is too frustrating.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The "soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" bug causes soldiers to just get increasingly hungry/thirsty when on patrol duty, and hungry/thirsty dwarves get skill penalties and are presumably more likely to get injured. I forgot about the "dropoff inaccessible spam" one, though I was afflicted with the "item inaccessible" variant (when the stockpile is inside the burrow but the item isn't), and I also find the economic obsidian bug mildly irritating (though you only need to fix it once in the entire lifetime of your fortress). I don't consider the "hauling bins" and "distant stones" ones to be real bugs, just design flaws (which I'm pretty sure were also present in 40d and probably even 23a). Of course, I've just now remembered another very irritating issue: multiple soldiers being assigned the same piece of equipment, usually a named item. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 00:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
::::That is funny. So many of the "bugs" influence the way I play the game. Because of the bugs, I gave up on burrows being useful. Thus all the bugs with burrows don't bother me. The concept is really powerful, but how to implement it without the bugs hobbling it! I also don't use most fo the military options (like food/water, patrol duties, stations) and instead have train/no train schedules. I find it funny when dwarfs carry around 3 weapons, or the enraged badgers. I agree the distant stones and hauling bins are design flaws, but they are annoying when you notice a bunch of dwarves traverse 80 Z levels to take something to a bin, only to arrive and find the bin has been now moved to 80Z levels down! It would also be nice to be able to save military uniforms as well (like embark profiles). Does the fact that the order of items in the trade item list changes bother you or have you figured out a workaround for that?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 16:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

===large number of new accounts - Spam?===
I "determined" ;) that you are an admin and since I'm not sure where to report it: Recent changes implies a large number of new bot-created accounts in the last days. Preparation for a spam avalanche? Should something be done about it? If you're the wrong guy to ask, would you mind forwarding it to the right place? --[[User:2013|2013]] 18:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

==Bot Requests==
:If you would like to have a large number of page edits performed by [[User:QuietBot|QuietBot]], then add a note here.

=== DF:2012 Namespace ===
::Hello,

::I believe you might have been the one who created the bot which handled the versioning namespace change. I posted on [[User_talk:Emi|Emi's discussion page]] but have yet to receive a response.
::I'd like to suggest the following change to the bot for any future namespace changes, although this might be futile if the bot lacks the relevant privileges.
::For every article moved to a previous version namespace, create a new article in the new namespace with the <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> tag so that users can (1) see that it hasn't been updated and (2) have an easy link to the outdated article so they at least have something too look up. It would also make it easier for normal editors to update the new articles since they've already been created.

::In addition, I'd like to request that the bot create a blank DF2012 namespace article for every v0.31 article which exists which doesn't have a corresponding DF2012 article and add to it the <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> template.

::Thanks,

::--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 08:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Quietust

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==Comments==
:Please place new comments at the ''top'' of this section. If you are replying to a message I placed on your user talk page, please place the reply on ''your'' talk page. To add a comment, simply [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Quietust&action=edit&section=2 edit this section] and add a new subsection (with ''three'' equals signs around the title).
=== Parser issue ===
I have put DFRawFunctions into extensions folder of mediawiki. Then installed both php files in LocalSettings.php. Yet <nowiki>{{#df_raw}}</nowiki> gives "Not found!", being unable to find the file. Are "raws" meant to be placed in special location? Or maybe few lines are to be added in LocalSettings.php?
<br/>P.S. Question is not related to english wiki but russian one. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 06:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== Bot files ===
Do you happen to have the text files used to generate the DF2012 raw pages (the format you mentioned on [[User talk:J. d'Orc]])? I was thinking of making similar files for Masterwork pages, and I wanted to make sure I was formatting them correctly. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Sample data:
toad DF2012:creature_amphibians.txt creature CREATURE TOAD
worm DF2012:creature_annelids.txt creature CREATURE WORM
blue jay DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_BLUEJAY
cardinal DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_CARDINAL
penguin man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PENGUIN MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
giant penguin DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_PENGUIN_GIANT DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
peregrine falcon man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PEREGRINE FALCON MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
:Column 1 is the page name, column 2 is the raw file that contains it, column 3 is what goes into the category name (e.g. "Category:DF2012:Creature raw pages"), column 4 is the object type (should always be CREATURE here), column 5 is the creature's ID token, and column 6 (optional) is the file that contains all of the variations used by the creature. Note that some of the Masterwork creatures will probably require '''multiple''' creature variation files - for those, you should specify the variation files separated by a "|" character. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 21:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

=== Hi ===
Just wanted to stop by and say hi, and thanks for correcting [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012%3AExtinction&diff=189929&oldid=189928 stupid things] I've been sprinkling about. Shoutout to [[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] and [[User:Loci|Loci]] too, on that count. Nice wiki you got here. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 02:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

=== Patch Licence ===
Just a quick question about your MediaWiki patch at http://www.qmtpro.com/~quietust/misc/ns_link-1.17.0.diff
I don't see a licence for this patch specified anywhere. Is it also GPLv2?
:That's because there isn't one - I have more important things to do than explicitly license every piece of code I write. Since it modifies MediaWiki, assume that it uses the same license. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry for bothering you, and thanks.17:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::What version of MediaWiki are you using? If you're using 1.20+, there's a simpler version of the patch (although I'm not sure how to generate a patch file from it). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::It looks like this wiki has since been updated to version 1.20, and I'm guessing the original patch was simply reapplied to it. How exactly is it possible to simplify it? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 20:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::I managed to get it to work (on a separate wiki) from the first commit listed in the wiki repo ([https://github.com/illideristudios/dfwikifiles/commit/a2a78972134188af635775f7e7ca5483c11ac949 a2a78972]). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::That commit is enough to get basic links working, but unless you include the rest of the patch I highly suspect that interwiki links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[wikipedia:pagename]]</nowiki>") and fragment-only links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[#section]]</nowiki>" will be rather horribly broken... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Looks like you're right. I hadn't noticed that before, but they aren't interpreted as links at all. I'll try applying the rest of the patch now and see how that works on 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

=== Adding mod raws to DFRawFunctions ===
I was wondering what you thought about adding Masterwork raws (since it would make creating new Masterwork: pages a lot easier). They are significantly larger than the vanilla raws, but the individual files are small enough that they shouldn't cause much extra load (I can test this myself and let you know how it works with MediaWiki if you like). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
*DFRawFunctions can automatically load raws from disk for any namespace that exists on the wiki, so all I would need to do would be to add them to the Git repository and wait for the server to pick them up (as I recall, it does a periodic check). If you can provide me a copy of the raw files, I should be able to get them imported fairly quickly. One concern I have, though, is how often these raws are going to be changing... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::They do change periodically, but there usually aren't a lot of changes between versions. I sent you a PR, which (hopefully) works on MW 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you about this, but any idea what's causing the layout issues at [[Masterwork:Golem/raw]]? I haven't noticed any inconsistent indentation in the original file (creature_masterwork.txt), and I don't see any problems with the template either... --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:I'm assuming you're referring to the dotted-bordered boxes - those are caused by lines that have leading spaces '''before''' the tabs. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::Apparently my terminal doesn't display tabs the way I thought it did. That would explain it, thanks. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

===Link template===
I noticed you deleted [[:Template:L]] (in fact, it was over a year ago). I know it's probably unnecessary, but it renders the revision history of old pages practically unreadable (take [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=23a:Bedroom&oldid=123591 this page] for example). It's likely that someone else has pointed it out already and I didn't notice, in which case I apologize. I doubt many people tend to look at past revisions of pages, especially from old versions, but it would be nice to get rid of some of those red links. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see how it's a problem that outdated revisions of pages are unreadable due to a template being removed - the template could have just as easily been '''changed''' to something incompatible and the effect would've been the same. Besides, people shouldn't be looking at outdated revisions of pages anyways, because they're '''outdated''' and likely incorrect. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree that recreating an unused template is probably useless. I only ran across it when I was doing a little research and ran across a revision I didn't really need anyway. Also, since your bot fixed the links in the old namespaces, it really isn't a problem. If I ever need to look at an old revision (and to be honest, I'm not sure why I would either), I could always just view the source instead. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

===SPAMBOT DELETION===
Hey Quietust. I strongly suspect Hrtrey is a spambot. I reversed the edits made, but I thought I should point it out immediately since it began inserted external links at five minute intervals after the account creation, which seemed atypical.

===SLEEP_PRETENSION ===
I noticed your change to the Noble page recently and want to inquire about the noble logic. I was under the impression that nobles could get two different kinds of upset: their own room is under value, OR another dwarf has a room that exceeds the value that the other dwarf should have.

Do nobles actually compare their own rooms to the other dwarves, or do they just insist that other dwarves not exceed the other dwarves' place in society?
:I recently did some disassembly diving to figure out how that behavior actually worked, and it turns out it's 100% based on the other dwarf's room value compared to the noble's room value. Specifically, it takes the PRECEDENCE of each unit (for non-nobles, this is 30001), takes "(30001 - precedence) / 150" to get an "importance" figure (if the other dwarf's importance is greater than or equal to the noble's, it doesn't care), then it compares the other dwarf's room value to the highest valued room of that type belonging to the noble (it actually compares the room quality rating i.e. "Royal"/"Grand"/"Great"/etc.) and generates a complaint if the other's room is better '''or equal''' to the noble's room. The actual severity of the thought is "(importance_delta - 1) / 15 + (quality delta) + 1" , which corresponds to "put off"/"flustered"/"upset"//.../"traumatized"/"utterly traumatized". --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

=== Stockpile settings info ===
I'd like to read your oppinion on my planned long-term editing concerning [[User_talk:Emi#Stockpile_setting_info|Stockpile settings information]]. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 07:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

=== Any dragon fire proof materials? ===
Seeing you have mentioned that the dragonfire will melt dolomite, I guess there is no material safe from dragonfire in DF (except for dragon skin, bones, etc.), so maybe this note should have all material articles. (it is a mild Fun spoiler, though). Or the note about dragonfire it should be missing everywhere, because it is so general. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 21:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:Any material with a FIXED_TEMP is immune to dragonfire, which means that [[nether cap]] wood should be safe. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

===Ban===
Why did you ban my previus account (ilsinopeo)? I do not understand what is wrong in that username--Sinop
:I blocked it for the same reason that I've been blocking dozens of other accounts every day - it looked like a spambot, and it hadn't made a single edit within 2 hours of signup (lots of them have been known to wait several ''days'' before filling their talk page with spam links, hoping to escape detection). Also, why did you create a new account when '''Briess unbanned you about 6 hours ago'''? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
::Ops i did not notice that, my bad--[[User:Ilsinopeo|Ilsinopeo]] 12:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

===Binary Patches===
I've noticed some binary patches you've posted around and was wondering exactly what to do with them. I'm guessing something like CFF Explorer? Usually when I hex edit it's with Cheat Engine, so if I screw something up at least it's gone next program run. Wanted to make sure before I did anything drastic. Also, would those edits screw up tools like DFHack and Therapist that depend on exact offsets? [[User:Hesuchia|Hesuchia]] 17:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
*You apply them by editing the EXE file itself (while it's not running) with a hex-editor. The Windows patches ones won't affect any existing tools since said tools look at the PE timestamp (which doesn't get changed), and the patches themselves have no effect on any of the offsets. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Blocked for "Unacceptable username" ===
Why has my account (jimj316) been blocked? Just because it ends in a number?
If you need proof that I'm not a spambot, view the [[DF2012_Talk:Creature_token|Talk page for creature tokens]], where I left a message (before I made an account) about an edit I had made to improve the page.
[[Special:Contributions/212.219.142.161|212.219.142.161]] 09:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, it was because your username, like many of the spambots, ended with a number. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Potential contributor banned ===

I've got a message from 76.185.119.161 that he would like to contribute to the DF wiki, but his IP is banned. Why is he banned? Do you think you can unban him and see how it goes? --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 23:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

:FYI, that IP address is in the Road Runner IP block in the Dallas, Texas area. It's dynamically allocated to their customers so, unless this is a recent ban, the person who has it now probably isn't the same person who got it banned (assuming it's not part of a block of banned IP addresses). -- [[User:HiEv|<span style="color:#E05858;font-weight:bold;">Hi</span>]][[User talk:HiEv|<span style="color:#C06060;font-weight:bold;">Ev</span>]] 00:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::The ban is almost definitely an automatic one placed as a result of banning a suspected spambot - I need to which one it was (the wiki should say "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by 'username'") so I can remove it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::: Please remove it. I think it's unlikely that will cause any trouble. This is what he gets when he tries to create an account:
::::Login error Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by Dwarf Fortress Wiki. You cannot create an account (76.185.119.161)
:::--[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::There's nothing I can do to fix that one - you'll need to talk to Briess. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Have him try again now. If he still encounters the same issue, he'll have to apply to get his IP address removed from the blocklist at [http://www.spamhaus.org/lookup/] (I removed 3 of the blocklists we were using so it's only spamhaus now) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
::::<s>Just checked, he is listed on [http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL238586] so he'll need to follow those instructions to get delisted. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)</s> incorrect, this won't affect wiki signup --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you guys for looking into it. He said he would sign up soon now. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Would My Username Be Rejected? ===
I was reading the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] page, and was rather dismayed by all of the spammer usernames signing up, then being blocked. I do appreciate your hard work. It must feel like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysiphus Sysiphus' labor] sometimes.

But then it occurred to me... My name looks like a spammer's! If I signed up today, would I be blocked immediately?<br/>—[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Probably not - the recent spammers have been signing up with account names following very specific patterns, and yours doesn't match any of them. While you're here, I thought you might be interested in knowing that I've confirmed a lot of your findings from studying my disassembly of 0.23.130.23a - while lots of things have changed in the past 5 years, lots of other things have stayed exactly the same. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

===Registration Spam===
Q, methinks the method shown under "Comment Spam defeated at last" on Steve Hanov's Blog stevehanov.ca would save you a lot of work.
*You're talking to the wrong person - tell this to Briess or Emi. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:09, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking===
You always beat me to the punch! sadface --23:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

===More spammer blocking===
I see that in the last few batches of spammer blocking, [[User talk:KidsShoes|KidsShoes]] and [[User talk:DypeniWang|DypeniWang]], who I reported on May 8, were not included. Is there a better way to make these reports than on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]]? Or should I continue placing a note here if the first report doesn't work? --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 23:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:I've just reported [[User talk:Harry123|Harry123]] and noticed that my previous two reports on [[User talk:Justinakmw7640|Justinakmw7640]] and [[User talk:FixToolbox|FixToolbox]] have fallen through the cracks. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::While reporting [[User talk:BrettWCotton7|BrettWCotton7]], I noticed that [[User talk:Lonna44|Lonna44]] was overlooked. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 22:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking Vroomvroom1970===
I've reported [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] twice for spam on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]] at or near the same time as two other spamming users. While the other users were blocked ([[User talk:MikePlane1971|MikePlane1971]] and [[User talk:Meetcheese123|Meetcheese123]]), [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] has been overlooked both times, so I thought leaving a message here might work. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

===Clean up some deleted pages===
Hey Quietust, you seem to be the most active admin around. Could you look into deleting some of the pages currently marked for deletion? Most of them are obsolete, outdated, or otherwise superfluous. Thanks! [[User:Dree12|Dree12]] 00:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

===Creaturelookup/0 and Creaturedesc templates===
There seems to be an issue with the [[Template:Creaturelookup/0]] and/or [[Template:Creaturedesc]] and how they interact with the [[Giant badger]] and [[v0.31:Giant badger]] articles. I have no idea how they work so I can't really fix them myself, and I thought you might be able to help since I noticed you created them. --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 01:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's the same problem that affected the [[giant eagle]] - the raw file contains some extended ASCII characters encoded in Latin-1, but the wiki is expecting them to be UTF-8 and is choking on them. It'll be fixed once Emily updates the raws on the wiki servers. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::How should they be handled then? Remove the templates so the users can read what's present or leave it in there until the update? --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 02:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

===See Bot request===
Please see my request under bot requests, I believe you may have overlooked it. I would appreciate a response.
--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 22:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

===Gravitates/animal men===
Adjusted size of animal men per what you said, but token on token page doesn't quite say the same thing. Are adult animal men 70k regardless of size of animal?--[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 20:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
===DFRawFunctions===
I noticed that [[DF2012:Giant eagle]] was completely blank the other day, and have deduced that the problem lies in the following line used as part of a template on the /raw page:

<nowiki>{{#df_raw:DF2012:creature_birds_new.txt|CREATURE|GIANT_EAGLE|not found}}</nowiki>

I don't know why, but wherever this line is placed, it makes the entire page blank. Template calls on the giant eagle page have been commented out for now, so there's at least something visible on the page. I'm sure you know better than me what might cause this, the only thing I can see out of the ordinary here is some sponsorship text in the .txt right after the entry for giant eagles. Thanks for all you do around here! --[[Special:Contributions/74.105.187.80|74.105.187.80]] 08:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
*Read the [[DF2012 talk:Giant eagle|talk page]] - I already know exactly what the problem is and how to fix it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 12:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re:DFRawFunctions===
Pulled. I'll think up a way to make the process a little more automated. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 22:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

===Error submiting updates to DF2012:Creatures===
I have some more changes to make to the Creatures page, but when I try submitting them I get a blank page and no change is made to the page. Is this a problem with the server/page too big, or did I trip some anti-spamer protection with my series of edits? [[User:Organised chaos|Organised chaos]] 14:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re: Stuff===
Gonna go do it right now. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 21:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
===Good job===
Wiki update looks good - thanks for putting in the time to make it happen.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
=== A new list ===
Im a newbie at editing wiki's and what im looking for is a list of objects that cant be placed on the edge of the map (like the trade depot) Can you help me make such a page if one dosent already exist? [[Special:Contributions/97.103.243.208|97.103.243.208]] 18:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Frostbite ===
Is it a good idea to report [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=DF2010:Climate&curid=17187&diff=153614&oldid=153613 this] as a bug? [[User:Kogut|Kogut]] 10:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
:Wouldn't hurt, though there might already be a more general report for the other assorted problems with organic materials (e.g. body fat melting at 110°F, muscle/organs not taking heat damage until 282°F even though they'd have been thoroughly overcooked by then). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

===Creature Logic + diagrams===
Thanks for the edits to creature logic. It's probably not obvious, but I made an effort to use a preferred format, and all I found was [[Template:RT]] linked to from the community portal page, so I tried to imitate the example given on that page. If there is a preferred method, maybe someone (lol "someone," although really I'd be happy to do it if I knew enough/was important enough) can make a page and link the community portal to it rather than [[Template:RT]]? Might save you from some future tedium, unless of course you enjoy those kind of edits.

Also curious-- I don't know anything about electronics or computing, but I find myself distinguishing between half and full signals (or full and double signals, if you'd prefer-- opens vs open-closes) all the time. Within the electronics metaphor, are there appropriate words to distinguish between these two kinds of signals? That is, if an edge detector detects an "edge" signal, what kind of signal does it transmit?[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 00:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
:There isn't really a difference between the signal types, just how you react to them - a level-sensitive trigger does one thing if the signal is on and another thing if the signal is off, while an edge-sensitive trigger does one thing when the signal '''changes''' from off->on and a different thing when the signal changes from on->off. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt#Types_of_Interrupts this article] for more information. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

===Most annoying bugs===
Just curious what bugs are on the top of your list? I haven't played in several months, waiting for certain bugs to be fixed. I got the military to mostly work (besides all the labors being reset) so that wasn't a big deal. I think all the little bugs added up for me. --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:I've reported over a hundred bugs on the tracker and 82 of them are still open, some more serious than others. If I had to name the most annoying ones I've reported myself, they'd be: "Missing nobles (dungeon master, tax collector, etc.)", "Swimming FBs don't bother getting out of the water", "Soldiers equip golden salve vials as waterskins", "Caravan pack animals stand on top of floor hatches over ramps", "Building destroyers destroy floor grates over open space", "Caravans don't bring wagons", and "Siege trolls lag the game to hell"; for ones others have reported, "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed", "Flowing water pushes items into hammerspace", "Magma kills things WAY too slowly", "Dwarves don't wear new clothes", "Dwarves give water to dwarves already drinking from booze barrels" + "Dwarves leave water buckets lying all over the fortress" + "Dwarves use water buckets when making lye", "Metalsmithing jobs only use one bar", and "Gem items don't get stockpiled". I don't mind the "Humans have no guild representatives", "Elves have no diplomats", and "You can't make crystal glass" bugs, since I've fixed all of them myself. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I know you've reported a lot, which is great. I've only reported 12, 7 still open. Did you figure out a workaround for the missing nobles? I noticed you were doing a lot of research on that area. How does "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" affect you? The dwarfs leaving their food to rot all over? I don't let my military carry ratios. My soldiers do get a bad thought, but the happiness system is pretty out of wack now, so all they have to do is dine in a nice place and they're in heaven! I agree that the buckets coupled to the healthcare is a hassle. That and the transporting of barrels to the depot. Metalsmithing jobs only using one bar is a balancing issue, so it doesn't bother me much. I just reviewed my watch list and others that bother me are "Items are hauled to bins before the bins are installed into the correct stockpile." "Dwarves choose far-away stones instead of nearby ones", "Civilians assigned to burrows while hauling something spam "dropoff inaccessible"", not being able to toggle the usability of obsidian, and "Equipment mismatch error message means nothing". That last one makes setting up a military a bit tough. Those would have to be the most annoying to me. Sometimes I really miss the 40d days. I tried going back, but all the keys are different and it is too frustrating.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The "soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" bug causes soldiers to just get increasingly hungry/thirsty when on patrol duty, and hungry/thirsty dwarves get skill penalties and are presumably more likely to get injured. I forgot about the "dropoff inaccessible spam" one, though I was afflicted with the "item inaccessible" variant (when the stockpile is inside the burrow but the item isn't), and I also find the economic obsidian bug mildly irritating (though you only need to fix it once in the entire lifetime of your fortress). I don't consider the "hauling bins" and "distant stones" ones to be real bugs, just design flaws (which I'm pretty sure were also present in 40d and probably even 23a). Of course, I've just now remembered another very irritating issue: multiple soldiers being assigned the same piece of equipment, usually a named item. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 00:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
::::That is funny. So many of the "bugs" influence the way I play the game. Because of the bugs, I gave up on burrows being useful. Thus all the bugs with burrows don't bother me. The concept is really powerful, but how to implement it without the bugs hobbling it! I also don't use most fo the military options (like food/water, patrol duties, stations) and instead have train/no train schedules. I find it funny when dwarfs carry around 3 weapons, or the enraged badgers. I agree the distant stones and hauling bins are design flaws, but they are annoying when you notice a bunch of dwarves traverse 80 Z levels to take something to a bin, only to arrive and find the bin has been now moved to 80Z levels down! It would also be nice to be able to save military uniforms as well (like embark profiles). Does the fact that the order of items in the trade item list changes bother you or have you figured out a workaround for that?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 16:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

===large number of new accounts - Spam?===
I "determined" ;) that you are an admin and since I'm not sure where to report it: Recent changes implies a large number of new bot-created accounts in the last days. Preparation for a spam avalanche? Should something be done about it? If you're the wrong guy to ask, would you mind forwarding it to the right place? --[[User:2013|2013]] 18:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

==Bot Requests==
:If you would like to have a large number of page edits performed by [[User:QuietBot|QuietBot]], then add a note here.

=== DF:2012 Namespace ===
::Hello,

::I believe you might have been the one who created the bot which handled the versioning namespace change. I posted on [[User_talk:Emi|Emi's discussion page]] but have yet to receive a response.
::I'd like to suggest the following change to the bot for any future namespace changes, although this might be futile if the bot lacks the relevant privileges.
::For every article moved to a previous version namespace, create a new article in the new namespace with the <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> tag so that users can (1) see that it hasn't been updated and (2) have an easy link to the outdated article so they at least have something too look up. It would also make it easier for normal editors to update the new articles since they've already been created.

::In addition, I'd like to request that the bot create a blank DF2012 namespace article for every v0.31 article which exists which doesn't have a corresponding DF2012 article and add to it the <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> template.

::Thanks,

::--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 08:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Quietust

2013-08-31T06:11:57Z

Asva:

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==Comments==
:Please place new comments at the ''top'' of this section. If you are replying to a message I placed on your user talk page, please place the reply on ''your'' talk page. To add a comment, simply [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Quietust&action=edit&section=2 edit this section] and add a new subsection (with ''three'' equals signs around the title).
=== Parser issue ===
I have put DFRawFunctions to extensions folder of mediawiki. Then installed both php files in LocalSettings.php. Yet <nowiki>{{#df_raw}}</nowiki> gives "Not found!", being unable to find the file. Are "raws" meant to be placed in special location? Or maybe few lines are to be added in LocalSettings.php?
<br/>P.S. Question is not related to english wiki but russian one. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 06:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
=== Bot files ===
Do you happen to have the text files used to generate the DF2012 raw pages (the format you mentioned on [[User talk:J. d'Orc]])? I was thinking of making similar files for Masterwork pages, and I wanted to make sure I was formatting them correctly. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Sample data:
toad DF2012:creature_amphibians.txt creature CREATURE TOAD
worm DF2012:creature_annelids.txt creature CREATURE WORM
blue jay DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_BLUEJAY
cardinal DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_CARDINAL
penguin man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PENGUIN MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
giant penguin DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE BIRD_PENGUIN_GIANT DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
peregrine falcon man DF2012:creature_birds.txt creature CREATURE PEREGRINE FALCON MAN DF2012:c_variation_default.txt
:Column 1 is the page name, column 2 is the raw file that contains it, column 3 is what goes into the category name (e.g. "Category:DF2012:Creature raw pages"), column 4 is the object type (should always be CREATURE here), column 5 is the creature's ID token, and column 6 (optional) is the file that contains all of the variations used by the creature. Note that some of the Masterwork creatures will probably require '''multiple''' creature variation files - for those, you should specify the variation files separated by a "|" character. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 21:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

=== Hi ===
Just wanted to stop by and say hi, and thanks for correcting [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012%3AExtinction&diff=189929&oldid=189928 stupid things] I've been sprinkling about. Shoutout to [[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] and [[User:Loci|Loci]] too, on that count. Nice wiki you got here. [[User:Resident Mario|Resident Mario]] ([[User talk:Resident Mario|talk]]) 02:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

=== Patch Licence ===
Just a quick question about your MediaWiki patch at http://www.qmtpro.com/~quietust/misc/ns_link-1.17.0.diff
I don't see a licence for this patch specified anywhere. Is it also GPLv2?
:That's because there isn't one - I have more important things to do than explicitly license every piece of code I write. Since it modifies MediaWiki, assume that it uses the same license. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry for bothering you, and thanks.17:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::What version of MediaWiki are you using? If you're using 1.20+, there's a simpler version of the patch (although I'm not sure how to generate a patch file from it). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::It looks like this wiki has since been updated to version 1.20, and I'm guessing the original patch was simply reapplied to it. How exactly is it possible to simplify it? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 20:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::I managed to get it to work (on a separate wiki) from the first commit listed in the wiki repo ([https://github.com/illideristudios/dfwikifiles/commit/a2a78972134188af635775f7e7ca5483c11ac949 a2a78972]). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::That commit is enough to get basic links working, but unless you include the rest of the patch I highly suspect that interwiki links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[wikipedia:pagename]]</nowiki>") and fragment-only links (e.g. "<nowiki>[[#section]]</nowiki>" will be rather horribly broken... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Looks like you're right. I hadn't noticed that before, but they aren't interpreted as links at all. I'll try applying the rest of the patch now and see how that works on 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:10, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

=== Adding mod raws to DFRawFunctions ===
I was wondering what you thought about adding Masterwork raws (since it would make creating new Masterwork: pages a lot easier). They are significantly larger than the vanilla raws, but the individual files are small enough that they shouldn't cause much extra load (I can test this myself and let you know how it works with MediaWiki if you like). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
*DFRawFunctions can automatically load raws from disk for any namespace that exists on the wiki, so all I would need to do would be to add them to the Git repository and wait for the server to pick them up (as I recall, it does a periodic check). If you can provide me a copy of the raw files, I should be able to get them imported fairly quickly. One concern I have, though, is how often these raws are going to be changing... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 15:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::They do change periodically, but there usually aren't a lot of changes between versions. I sent you a PR, which (hopefully) works on MW 1.20. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you about this, but any idea what's causing the layout issues at [[Masterwork:Golem/raw]]? I haven't noticed any inconsistent indentation in the original file (creature_masterwork.txt), and I don't see any problems with the template either... --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:I'm assuming you're referring to the dotted-bordered boxes - those are caused by lines that have leading spaces '''before''' the tabs. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 03:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::Apparently my terminal doesn't display tabs the way I thought it did. That would explain it, thanks. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

===Link template===
I noticed you deleted [[:Template:L]] (in fact, it was over a year ago). I know it's probably unnecessary, but it renders the revision history of old pages practically unreadable (take [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=23a:Bedroom&oldid=123591 this page] for example). It's likely that someone else has pointed it out already and I didn't notice, in which case I apologize. I doubt many people tend to look at past revisions of pages, especially from old versions, but it would be nice to get rid of some of those red links. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see how it's a problem that outdated revisions of pages are unreadable due to a template being removed - the template could have just as easily been '''changed''' to something incompatible and the effect would've been the same. Besides, people shouldn't be looking at outdated revisions of pages anyways, because they're '''outdated''' and likely incorrect. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree that recreating an unused template is probably useless. I only ran across it when I was doing a little research and ran across a revision I didn't really need anyway. Also, since your bot fixed the links in the old namespaces, it really isn't a problem. If I ever need to look at an old revision (and to be honest, I'm not sure why I would either), I could always just view the source instead. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

===SPAMBOT DELETION===
Hey Quietust. I strongly suspect Hrtrey is a spambot. I reversed the edits made, but I thought I should point it out immediately since it began inserted external links at five minute intervals after the account creation, which seemed atypical.

===SLEEP_PRETENSION ===
I noticed your change to the Noble page recently and want to inquire about the noble logic. I was under the impression that nobles could get two different kinds of upset: their own room is under value, OR another dwarf has a room that exceeds the value that the other dwarf should have.

Do nobles actually compare their own rooms to the other dwarves, or do they just insist that other dwarves not exceed the other dwarves' place in society?
:I recently did some disassembly diving to figure out how that behavior actually worked, and it turns out it's 100% based on the other dwarf's room value compared to the noble's room value. Specifically, it takes the PRECEDENCE of each unit (for non-nobles, this is 30001), takes "(30001 - precedence) / 150" to get an "importance" figure (if the other dwarf's importance is greater than or equal to the noble's, it doesn't care), then it compares the other dwarf's room value to the highest valued room of that type belonging to the noble (it actually compares the room quality rating i.e. "Royal"/"Grand"/"Great"/etc.) and generates a complaint if the other's room is better '''or equal''' to the noble's room. The actual severity of the thought is "(importance_delta - 1) / 15 + (quality delta) + 1" , which corresponds to "put off"/"flustered"/"upset"//.../"traumatized"/"utterly traumatized". --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

=== Stockpile settings info ===
I'd like to read your oppinion on my planned long-term editing concerning [[User_talk:Emi#Stockpile_setting_info|Stockpile settings information]]. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 07:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

=== Any dragon fire proof materials? ===
Seeing you have mentioned that the dragonfire will melt dolomite, I guess there is no material safe from dragonfire in DF (except for dragon skin, bones, etc.), so maybe this note should have all material articles. (it is a mild Fun spoiler, though). Or the note about dragonfire it should be missing everywhere, because it is so general. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 21:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:Any material with a FIXED_TEMP is immune to dragonfire, which means that [[nether cap]] wood should be safe. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

===Ban===
Why did you ban my previus account (ilsinopeo)? I do not understand what is wrong in that username--Sinop
:I blocked it for the same reason that I've been blocking dozens of other accounts every day - it looked like a spambot, and it hadn't made a single edit within 2 hours of signup (lots of them have been known to wait several ''days'' before filling their talk page with spam links, hoping to escape detection). Also, why did you create a new account when '''Briess unbanned you about 6 hours ago'''? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
::Ops i did not notice that, my bad--[[User:Ilsinopeo|Ilsinopeo]] 12:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

===Binary Patches===
I've noticed some binary patches you've posted around and was wondering exactly what to do with them. I'm guessing something like CFF Explorer? Usually when I hex edit it's with Cheat Engine, so if I screw something up at least it's gone next program run. Wanted to make sure before I did anything drastic. Also, would those edits screw up tools like DFHack and Therapist that depend on exact offsets? [[User:Hesuchia|Hesuchia]] 17:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
*You apply them by editing the EXE file itself (while it's not running) with a hex-editor. The Windows patches ones won't affect any existing tools since said tools look at the PE timestamp (which doesn't get changed), and the patches themselves have no effect on any of the offsets. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:32, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Blocked for "Unacceptable username" ===
Why has my account (jimj316) been blocked? Just because it ends in a number?
If you need proof that I'm not a spambot, view the [[DF2012_Talk:Creature_token|Talk page for creature tokens]], where I left a message (before I made an account) about an edit I had made to improve the page.
[[Special:Contributions/212.219.142.161|212.219.142.161]] 09:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, it was because your username, like many of the spambots, ended with a number. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Potential contributor banned ===

I've got a message from 76.185.119.161 that he would like to contribute to the DF wiki, but his IP is banned. Why is he banned? Do you think you can unban him and see how it goes? --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 23:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

:FYI, that IP address is in the Road Runner IP block in the Dallas, Texas area. It's dynamically allocated to their customers so, unless this is a recent ban, the person who has it now probably isn't the same person who got it banned (assuming it's not part of a block of banned IP addresses). -- [[User:HiEv|<span style="color:#E05858;font-weight:bold;">Hi</span>]][[User talk:HiEv|<span style="color:#C06060;font-weight:bold;">Ev</span>]] 00:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::The ban is almost definitely an automatic one placed as a result of banning a suspected spambot - I need to which one it was (the wiki should say "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by 'username'") so I can remove it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:17, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::: Please remove it. I think it's unlikely that will cause any trouble. This is what he gets when he tries to create an account:
::::Login error Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by Dwarf Fortress Wiki. You cannot create an account (76.185.119.161)
:::--[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::There's nothing I can do to fix that one - you'll need to talk to Briess. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 11:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Have him try again now. If he still encounters the same issue, he'll have to apply to get his IP address removed from the blocklist at [http://www.spamhaus.org/lookup/] (I removed 3 of the blocklists we were using so it's only spamhaus now) --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:27, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
::::<s>Just checked, he is listed on [http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL238586] so he'll need to follow those instructions to get delisted. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)</s> incorrect, this won't affect wiki signup --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you guys for looking into it. He said he would sign up soon now. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 08:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

=== Would My Username Be Rejected? ===
I was reading the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] page, and was rather dismayed by all of the spammer usernames signing up, then being blocked. I do appreciate your hard work. It must feel like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysiphus Sysiphus' labor] sometimes.

But then it occurred to me... My name looks like a spammer's! If I signed up today, would I be blocked immediately?<br/>—[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Probably not - the recent spammers have been signing up with account names following very specific patterns, and yours doesn't match any of them. While you're here, I thought you might be interested in knowing that I've confirmed a lot of your findings from studying my disassembly of 0.23.130.23a - while lots of things have changed in the past 5 years, lots of other things have stayed exactly the same. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

===Registration Spam===
Q, methinks the method shown under "Comment Spam defeated at last" on Steve Hanov's Blog stevehanov.ca would save you a lot of work.
*You're talking to the wrong person - tell this to Briess or Emi. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:09, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking===
You always beat me to the punch! sadface --23:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

===More spammer blocking===
I see that in the last few batches of spammer blocking, [[User talk:KidsShoes|KidsShoes]] and [[User talk:DypeniWang|DypeniWang]], who I reported on May 8, were not included. Is there a better way to make these reports than on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]]? Or should I continue placing a note here if the first report doesn't work? --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 23:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:I've just reported [[User talk:Harry123|Harry123]] and noticed that my previous two reports on [[User talk:Justinakmw7640|Justinakmw7640]] and [[User talk:FixToolbox|FixToolbox]] have fallen through the cracks. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::While reporting [[User talk:BrettWCotton7|BrettWCotton7]], I noticed that [[User talk:Lonna44|Lonna44]] was overlooked. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 22:06, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

===Blocking Vroomvroom1970===
I've reported [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] twice for spam on [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport]] at or near the same time as two other spamming users. While the other users were blocked ([[User talk:MikePlane1971|MikePlane1971]] and [[User talk:Meetcheese123|Meetcheese123]]), [[User talk:Vroomvroom1970|Vroomvroom1970]] has been overlooked both times, so I thought leaving a message here might work. --[[User:Cali|Cali]] 01:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

===Clean up some deleted pages===
Hey Quietust, you seem to be the most active admin around. Could you look into deleting some of the pages currently marked for deletion? Most of them are obsolete, outdated, or otherwise superfluous. Thanks! [[User:Dree12|Dree12]] 00:23, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

===Creaturelookup/0 and Creaturedesc templates===
There seems to be an issue with the [[Template:Creaturelookup/0]] and/or [[Template:Creaturedesc]] and how they interact with the [[Giant badger]] and [[v0.31:Giant badger]] articles. I have no idea how they work so I can't really fix them myself, and I thought you might be able to help since I noticed you created them. --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 01:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's the same problem that affected the [[giant eagle]] - the raw file contains some extended ASCII characters encoded in Latin-1, but the wiki is expecting them to be UTF-8 and is choking on them. It'll be fixed once Emily updates the raws on the wiki servers. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::How should they be handled then? Remove the templates so the users can read what's present or leave it in there until the update? --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 02:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

===See Bot request===
Please see my request under bot requests, I believe you may have overlooked it. I would appreciate a response.
--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 22:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

===Gravitates/animal men===
Adjusted size of animal men per what you said, but token on token page doesn't quite say the same thing. Are adult animal men 70k regardless of size of animal?--[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 20:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
===DFRawFunctions===
I noticed that [[DF2012:Giant eagle]] was completely blank the other day, and have deduced that the problem lies in the following line used as part of a template on the /raw page:

<nowiki>{{#df_raw:DF2012:creature_birds_new.txt|CREATURE|GIANT_EAGLE|not found}}</nowiki>

I don't know why, but wherever this line is placed, it makes the entire page blank. Template calls on the giant eagle page have been commented out for now, so there's at least something visible on the page. I'm sure you know better than me what might cause this, the only thing I can see out of the ordinary here is some sponsorship text in the .txt right after the entry for giant eagles. Thanks for all you do around here! --[[Special:Contributions/74.105.187.80|74.105.187.80]] 08:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
*Read the [[DF2012 talk:Giant eagle|talk page]] - I already know exactly what the problem is and how to fix it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 12:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re:DFRawFunctions===
Pulled. I'll think up a way to make the process a little more automated. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 22:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

===Error submiting updates to DF2012:Creatures===
I have some more changes to make to the Creatures page, but when I try submitting them I get a blank page and no change is made to the page. Is this a problem with the server/page too big, or did I trip some anti-spamer protection with my series of edits? [[User:Organised chaos|Organised chaos]] 14:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

===Re: Stuff===
Gonna go do it right now. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 21:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
===Good job===
Wiki update looks good - thanks for putting in the time to make it happen.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
=== A new list ===
Im a newbie at editing wiki's and what im looking for is a list of objects that cant be placed on the edge of the map (like the trade depot) Can you help me make such a page if one dosent already exist? [[Special:Contributions/97.103.243.208|97.103.243.208]] 18:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

=== Frostbite ===
Is it a good idea to report [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=DF2010:Climate&curid=17187&diff=153614&oldid=153613 this] as a bug? [[User:Kogut|Kogut]] 10:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
:Wouldn't hurt, though there might already be a more general report for the other assorted problems with organic materials (e.g. body fat melting at 110°F, muscle/organs not taking heat damage until 282°F even though they'd have been thoroughly overcooked by then). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

===Creature Logic + diagrams===
Thanks for the edits to creature logic. It's probably not obvious, but I made an effort to use a preferred format, and all I found was [[Template:RT]] linked to from the community portal page, so I tried to imitate the example given on that page. If there is a preferred method, maybe someone (lol "someone," although really I'd be happy to do it if I knew enough/was important enough) can make a page and link the community portal to it rather than [[Template:RT]]? Might save you from some future tedium, unless of course you enjoy those kind of edits.

Also curious-- I don't know anything about electronics or computing, but I find myself distinguishing between half and full signals (or full and double signals, if you'd prefer-- opens vs open-closes) all the time. Within the electronics metaphor, are there appropriate words to distinguish between these two kinds of signals? That is, if an edge detector detects an "edge" signal, what kind of signal does it transmit?[[User:Vasiln|Vasiln]] 00:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
:There isn't really a difference between the signal types, just how you react to them - a level-sensitive trigger does one thing if the signal is on and another thing if the signal is off, while an edge-sensitive trigger does one thing when the signal '''changes''' from off->on and a different thing when the signal changes from on->off. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt#Types_of_Interrupts this article] for more information. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

===Most annoying bugs===
Just curious what bugs are on the top of your list? I haven't played in several months, waiting for certain bugs to be fixed. I got the military to mostly work (besides all the labors being reset) so that wasn't a big deal. I think all the little bugs added up for me. --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:I've reported over a hundred bugs on the tracker and 82 of them are still open, some more serious than others. If I had to name the most annoying ones I've reported myself, they'd be: "Missing nobles (dungeon master, tax collector, etc.)", "Swimming FBs don't bother getting out of the water", "Soldiers equip golden salve vials as waterskins", "Caravan pack animals stand on top of floor hatches over ramps", "Building destroyers destroy floor grates over open space", "Caravans don't bring wagons", and "Siege trolls lag the game to hell"; for ones others have reported, "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed", "Flowing water pushes items into hammerspace", "Magma kills things WAY too slowly", "Dwarves don't wear new clothes", "Dwarves give water to dwarves already drinking from booze barrels" + "Dwarves leave water buckets lying all over the fortress" + "Dwarves use water buckets when making lye", "Metalsmithing jobs only use one bar", and "Gem items don't get stockpiled". I don't mind the "Humans have no guild representatives", "Elves have no diplomats", and "You can't make crystal glass" bugs, since I've fixed all of them myself. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::I know you've reported a lot, which is great. I've only reported 12, 7 still open. Did you figure out a workaround for the missing nobles? I noticed you were doing a lot of research on that area. How does "Soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" affect you? The dwarfs leaving their food to rot all over? I don't let my military carry ratios. My soldiers do get a bad thought, but the happiness system is pretty out of wack now, so all they have to do is dine in a nice place and they're in heaven! I agree that the buckets coupled to the healthcare is a hassle. That and the transporting of barrels to the depot. Metalsmithing jobs only using one bar is a balancing issue, so it doesn't bother me much. I just reviewed my watch list and others that bother me are "Items are hauled to bins before the bins are installed into the correct stockpile." "Dwarves choose far-away stones instead of nearby ones", "Civilians assigned to burrows while hauling something spam "dropoff inaccessible"", not being able to toggle the usability of obsidian, and "Equipment mismatch error message means nothing". That last one makes setting up a military a bit tough. Those would have to be the most annoying to me. Sometimes I really miss the 40d days. I tried going back, but all the keys are different and it is too frustrating.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 23:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The "soldiers don't eat/drink while stationed" bug causes soldiers to just get increasingly hungry/thirsty when on patrol duty, and hungry/thirsty dwarves get skill penalties and are presumably more likely to get injured. I forgot about the "dropoff inaccessible spam" one, though I was afflicted with the "item inaccessible" variant (when the stockpile is inside the burrow but the item isn't), and I also find the economic obsidian bug mildly irritating (though you only need to fix it once in the entire lifetime of your fortress). I don't consider the "hauling bins" and "distant stones" ones to be real bugs, just design flaws (which I'm pretty sure were also present in 40d and probably even 23a). Of course, I've just now remembered another very irritating issue: multiple soldiers being assigned the same piece of equipment, usually a named item. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 00:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
::::That is funny. So many of the "bugs" influence the way I play the game. Because of the bugs, I gave up on burrows being useful. Thus all the bugs with burrows don't bother me. The concept is really powerful, but how to implement it without the bugs hobbling it! I also don't use most fo the military options (like food/water, patrol duties, stations) and instead have train/no train schedules. I find it funny when dwarfs carry around 3 weapons, or the enraged badgers. I agree the distant stones and hauling bins are design flaws, but they are annoying when you notice a bunch of dwarves traverse 80 Z levels to take something to a bin, only to arrive and find the bin has been now moved to 80Z levels down! It would also be nice to be able to save military uniforms as well (like embark profiles). Does the fact that the order of items in the trade item list changes bother you or have you figured out a workaround for that?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 16:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

===large number of new accounts - Spam?===
I "determined" ;) that you are an admin and since I'm not sure where to report it: Recent changes implies a large number of new bot-created accounts in the last days. Preparation for a spam avalanche? Should something be done about it? If you're the wrong guy to ask, would you mind forwarding it to the right place? --[[User:2013|2013]] 18:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

==Bot Requests==
:If you would like to have a large number of page edits performed by [[User:QuietBot|QuietBot]], then add a note here.

=== DF:2012 Namespace ===
::Hello,

::I believe you might have been the one who created the bot which handled the versioning namespace change. I posted on [[User_talk:Emi|Emi's discussion page]] but have yet to receive a response.
::I'd like to suggest the following change to the bot for any future namespace changes, although this might be futile if the bot lacks the relevant privileges.
::For every article moved to a previous version namespace, create a new article in the new namespace with the <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> tag so that users can (1) see that it hasn't been updated and (2) have an easy link to the outdated article so they at least have something too look up. It would also make it easier for normal editors to update the new articles since they've already been created.

::In addition, I'd like to request that the bot create a blank DF2012 namespace article for every v0.31 article which exists which doesn't have a corresponding DF2012 article and add to it the <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> template.

::Thanks,

::--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 08:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Emi

2012-12-30T11:13:38Z

Asva:

Please leave new messages by pressing the new section button. It is next to the edit button, and says "Add topic". Be sure to sign your message with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> so I know who left me the message.
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== Empty DF:2012 Articles ==

Hello, I'd like to offer a few suggestions:
* Could the bot which went through and replaced all the v0.31 article links with DF:2012 links be modified to actually create those articles with a <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> template inserted, so that users can reference an older version easily while understanding that it could be outdated?
* Could a bot be created to go through all the current dead links and create those articles and place a <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> template within them?
* Failing that, I'd be willing to volunteer for this; I understand that I should talk to you for article creation. In that case, would I have to present you with a list of articles to be created?
--[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 02:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

:Looks like I can create articles myself after enough edits. --[[User:Reilwin|Reilwin]] 06:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

== Spanish translation ==

Hello! I'm a Spanish player of this game and I would like to begin the translation of this wiki into Spanish. I hope you like the idea! Regards.

== PROBLEM ==
since you "upgraded" the wiki, sometimes when i try to load a page, any kind of page in the wiki, instead of loading the page, my browser (chrome) starts downloading a file like this: DF2010-Magma.gz
the file never ends downloading and it contains nothing, so i dont know whats the deal with that, sometime is loads teh page as usual
*Take a look at [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=96229.0 this forum thread] - most cases seem to result from using Avast Antivirus along with Google Chrome. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 00:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

== Upload Button Missing ==
Hello. I've uploaded [[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/File:DA_Quarters.JPG,stuff]] before, but the upload link seems to have vanished for me. (I'd like to upload a small .exe file which makes the depot tradeing semi-automated so I can link to it from my user page.) What should I do?

Thanks,
--[[User:DDR|-DDR]] 01:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Update: Oh, so it's just down for a few days? OK, I'll be patient. Thanks for all the work you've done here, Emi. :)

== Eagles ==

Why can't I create new pages? I want to create a page about normal eagles.

: This wiki is going through a lot now. New name space for the latest DF version has been created and articles are copied to it, as far as they are still valid for the new version. Also this wiki's cluster size has been increased by two new servers and many things around it are being configured. So I think the admins just prohibited new article creation for a while until they sort things out. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 17:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

: I've seen Briss has created the Eagle page, maybe it's so that you can fill it with content. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 18:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

== a namespace just for me? ==

It says that if i'd like a user page i should post here asking for one.
can i have a namespace for me please? under Zazq? [[User:Zazq|Zazq]] 21:48, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

: A namespace is not the same as a user page. I'm almost sure you can't have a namespace just for you, but you can certainly have your own userpage where you can set up your own sandbox. I have created you your userpage, just click on the link on your name in the signature. You can start forging some good articles on your userpage. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 23:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

== UserPage ==
could i have a page too? to edit and try stuff before posting ... Edit: it is Mohreb by the way ...

I'd like a user page too, name KevinFragger2427. Thanks.

== v34 Utilities ==

Can we get a [[DF2012:Utilities]] page created?

== Giant sponges ==

Hello, I am new to this wiki and I would like to add articles for giant sponges and giant mosquitoes.

I trust I can just copy-paste the old tags from a DF2010 creature page and change them accordyingly ?

[[User:Naryar|Naryar]] 11:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

== Can I have two pages created? ==

I'd like to have two pages created for me, please.

1. I'd like my user-page created, so I can do all the other cool stuff that people do with their user-pages.

2. I would also like a whole new mod article made, please. Title it "Modern Warfare: Year 2100" too, please, as well.

EDIT: Username is UristMcHuman. Sorry I forgot that

== Interactions. ==

I would like a page created under 2012:Interaction, please and thank you. [[User:Lofn|Lofn]] 15:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: a userpage/sandbox would also be very much appreciated, if you find the time.

== User page for Darchitect. ==

I'd like one, if you'd be so kind.
[[User:Darchitect|Darchitect]] 20:24, 29 February 2012 (UTC)Darchitect

== Favicon Recovery ==

I notice the favicon seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the way. Since I'm the one who initially made it using the main site logo for reference, I still have a copy sitting around. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/images/dfwiki_favicon.ico Here it is, feel free to use it again.]

== Request for User Page ==

Hi there, can you please add a user page for me? Thank you. [[User:Timtek|Timtek]] 11:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

== Request for Confirmed User ==

I was wondering what I need to do to be able to upload a file. I registered four days ago, and have been waiting to become an "Autoconfirmed user" so that I can add my tileset to the Tileset repository. The "autoconfirmation" never comes, however. Attempting to google the issue said that I should be autoconfirmed after 3 days, which has not occurred. Am I missing something? --[[User:Taffer|Taffer]] 13:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello again! Thanks for the help earlier, and sorry for the second message. Would it be alright if I have a user page? Thank you! --[[User:Taffer|Taffer]] 18:51, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

== Cached Special Pages ==

The wiki currently has [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMiserMode $wgMiserMode] enabled, resulting in a number of [[Special:SpecialPages|special pages]] having their results cached (by MediaWiki itself) to reduce server load, but there's no cron job to run /maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php and actually update those pages - as a result, they're all 3 months out of date. I've mentioned this at least 3 times on IRC but it still hasn't been fixed. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

== Is the DF2012:Creatures page getting too big for the server? ==

The Creatures page still needs to be updated with the new creatures for the lakes/rivers but when I try to submit or preview tha page I get a blank page and a submitted update is not visible on the page. Is the page simply too big now, or is there some server side changes that can be made to fix this? [[User:Organised chaos|Organised chaos]] 20:18, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
*If you ask me, the Creatures page is currently being done '''all wrong''' - it should only list each creature '''once''' and include the relevant biomes, rather than copy/pasting it for every single biome (and introducing errors when one entry has different values from the others). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== DFRawFunctions ==

I've got an update for DFRawFunctions (corrects behavior for a few functions and adds new features to some others) which also includes a few new raw files - when you've got a chance, pull 'em from github. In fact, some option to automatically pull updates from github either periodically (once or twice a day) or on demand (e.g. editing a particular wiki page) would be really nice so I won't have to bug you about it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

== I want to make Korean Wiki. ==

I was looking for administrator to discuss this, but I couldn't find anyone... also, I'm not sure that I should talk it to you. anyway, I leave this here.

I want to make Korean Wiki, There're some Korean fan, but they hardly play the game because of the lack of game information. So I thought They need wiki to know the game. I want to know whether the administrator can found Korean version of this wiki or not.

How can I get the permission about it? Is it needed that something to verify myself to them? I hope I would take a positive answer. --[[User:Tragal|Tragal]] 14:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

== Create Redir [[DF2012:Well_guide]] ==

Need a redir or crosslink created from: [[DF2012:Well_guide]] (empty page) -> [[v0.31:Well_guide]]. And/or snap relevant links. --[[User:Kim Bruning|Kim Bruning]] 08:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

== Froot wants a userpage too. ==

Hey-lo.
Yet another userpage request.
[[User:Froot|Froot]] 02:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

there is no "DF2012 Talk:Cave crocodile", added an my issue about my "Bosa, Cave Crocodile (+trained+)" which cost me about an game-hour lost due to reloading save in the article. Wonder, why there is no "talk" pages for everything by default? There are many cases which need some science before editing articles :(

== Minecarts 101 page? ==

Can we get a "Minecarts 101" page started the same way there are intro pages for things like the military?

Thanks,

[[User:Dhokarena56|Dhokarena56]] 17:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)dhokarena56

== Page request ==

May I request a userpage?

-Erich

== User page request ==

Hello! I am requesting a userpage. --[[User:Spacer|Spacer]] 15:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

== DF2012_Talk:Siege ==

please, create http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012_Talk:Siege

thanks,

[[User:Kartofius al andalus|Kartofius al andalus]] 17:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC) kartofius

== Wiki in spanish??? ==

How can I create a page for the wiki in spanish?

== add #dwarffortress irc.freenode.net to main page IRC section ==

Hello everyone, could you please add #dwarffortress IRC channel on FReeNode in the main page IRC channel list?
Thank you

== new user page request ==

looking for a user page so I can store my scripts in the wiki.

thanks
vjek

[[User:Vjek|Vjek]] 20:17, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

== User Page Request. Asva. ==

Am willing to store my constructions in a way to make them awailable for community. [[User:Asva|Asva]] 11:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

== new page request ==
Hi
could you add a talk page at the "raw adamantine" article
user: grafsnow

== DF2012:World rejection ==

Hi, I'm trying to write the page for DF2012:World rejection http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:World_rejection which has a red link on the Advanced World Generation page but I can't create a new page. Do I need somebody to make it for me? Thanks, Seb. --[[User:SAFry|SAFry]] 19:08, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
:I created it for him. -- [[User:HiEv|<span style="color:#E05858;font-weight:bold;">Hi</span>]][[User talk:HiEv|<span style="color:#C06060;font-weight:bold;">Ev</span>]] 02:18, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

== Could I get a page for my mod? ==

I'm currently working on a mod, and I'd really like a page where I can put what the mod is, how you use it, what it includes, etc...
I'm sorry if it looks kinda sketchy that I just created this account today and I'm being vague about the mod Dx
Anyways, if/when you create it, could you title it ''PlayableCiv+''
Thanks:)
[[User:Toxicshadow|Toxicshadow]] 05:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

== Arms Industry Page ==

Could you create an "Arms Industry" page for information concerning production of weapons? Alternatively, it could be called "Weapons Industry."

== User Page ==

Would be very glad if i had a user page as a kind of sandbox (and to put some !!science!! stuff up there) [[User:Lorb|Lorb]] 09:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

== User Page Request ==

Could you make me a user page?

== Requesting Page Creation for 'Fixed Creatures' ==

There has been some discussion on r/DwarfFortress ([http://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/w8ht8/need_help_my_giant_black_mambas_wont_breed/]) about animals that don't lay eggs that should, eggs that don't hatch due to a missing Tag, and other various issues. I would like to create a space where we can create a list of animals with the values and tags modified to be more accurate. Thanks!--Dragoon209

Edit: I haven't received any word that the pages have been created, and a quick search shows no matches for 'Fixed Creatures'. Is there any information I am missing to start the process? Thanks in advance!
[[User:Dragoon209|Dragoon209]] 18:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

: What page titlewould you like? --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 18:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

:: How about "DF2012:Fixed_Creature_RAWs"? [[User:Dragoon209|Dragoon209]] 18:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Outpost Liason ==

I am simply looking for more information about a phenomenon that has happened twice now. An outpost liason came to my fort and asked if I wanted to join their colony. What are the pros and cons of saying either yes or no? Please help!

== Yet Another User Page ==

Just requesting a user page created, to play around in and post some of my own DF-related stuff. Thanks! [[User:MasterShizzle|MasterShizzle]] 17:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
:Umm... wow. That was fast! You guys are awesome. [[User:MasterShizzle|MasterShizzle]] 18:12, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Symbol Sets (Modding) ==

Can someone create a page for Symbol Sets, as used in Entity files, and found in language_SYM.txt?
[[User:Toxicshadow|Toxicshadow]] 23:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

== 2012 Talk:Door ==

Hi Emily,

I'd like to start [[DF2012 Talk:Door]], since I can verify that artifact doors are indestructible. (There is a verify tag for that in the [[DF2012:Door#Notes]] section.) Here is the text I want to add:

<blockquote>
I can verify that artifact doors are indestructible. An artifact door is all that stands between my necropolis fortress (some 100 casualties in the previous siege) and 8 trolls standing right outside the door. The trolls have been there for an entire season. They showed up when the elven caravan arrived in spring, and are still there to greet the human caravan which just arrived.
</blockquote>

[[User:Great Cthulhu|Great Cthulhu]] 23:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

== Need 2 pages created ==

I would like to have my user page created, furthermore i would like to help improve the DF2012 Contaminant page,
and i need the DF2012 Talk:Contaminant created.<br />
[[User:Ipsin|Ipsin - Everything is better with magma ]] 16:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

== User page request ==

Hello there! I am writing this to request the a user page (obviously :)) I'm a confirmed user, although I have less than 10 edits so far, I swear I am not a bot! I am actually more interested in the user page as a personal sandbox of the moment to figure out name space templates and the like without messing anything up. I use the wiki daily (I have only been playing for a few months, you guys were a life saver) so I am still going through plenty of articles all the time and would like to contribute more than I am able to now. I learn by doing and don't want to mess up any templates or the like :)

Thanks very much for any help you are able to provide
--
[[User:Phage|Phage]] 05:45, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

== New User Page Request ==

Howdy, looking to get page for my user account.

Let me know if you need any additional info.

Thanks,

[[User:WhiskeyTangoFox|WhiskeyTangoFox]] 01:44, 30 July 2012 (UTC)WhiskeyTangoFox

== Permission to make new Discussion pages? ==

Hi Emi. I was trying to start a Discussion page in the "Sedimentary" article, but ran into a permission error. Since I am a longtime user, may I please have permission to make new pages? [[User:Coaldiamond|-Coaldiamond]] 20:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
:It seems like the wiki is a bit buggy in this regard. On [[Special:ListGroupRights]], only Administrators have the "createtalk" permission, which seems to be required to create talk pages. However, I was just able to create [[DF2012 Talk:Sedimentary layer]], but only after several attempts failing from a Permission error. Sometimes it would stop me immediately upon clicking the "Create" tab, and it always seemed to happen when I tried to Show Changes. I'm not really sure why this would happen, unless we're running on multiple servers and the configuration isn't synchronized. Hope this helps. --[[User:Timrem|timrem]] 21:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
:i just encoutered this problem today, I thought it'd be prohibited to create a user discussion page but that did not make sense to me. I hope this issue will be resolved soon. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 07:28, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
::Yup, I too have noticed some odd inconsistency in the way the wiki may or may not allow you to create a page, with it being allowed after some N number of page reloads. I've mentioned on the [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Improvement Drive]] page that the wiki software is several versions out of date, so if we could get it updated, that would hopefully fix this problem. Is [[User_talk:Briess|Briess]] the correct person to contact about this, or is it someone else? -- [[User:HiEv|<span style="color:#E05858;font-weight:bold;">Hi</span>]][[User talk:HiEv|<span style="color:#C06060;font-weight:bold;">Ev</span>]] 22:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
:::A user will be unable to create any pages (talk or otherwise) until they make 10 edits to the wiki. There was a configuration error with one of the web servers that has been fixed which was denying create talk page rights to all users. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 23:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

== Another User Page. ==

Just here to request permission to edit my own user-page, let me know if any sort of information is needed from me first in regards to it. --[[User:Morekouto|Morekouto]] 17:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

== Stockpile setting info ==

Here's something I've been thinking to add to the wiki for a couple of months now, but am not really sure what would be the best way to do it. I often set up fairly specialized stockpiles. For instance a stockpile only for seeds, another one for picks, and yet another only for empty bags (but not chests). When I was new to the game I did not know how to do these things. I expected to find the info how to set up a stockpile just for one kind of an item in the item's respective wiki page. Sometimes I was lucky, sometimes not.

Most furnitures have a piece of text about such stockpile setting somewhere in the article or at least a hint, e.g. in [[Cage]]s you can read that "Cages are stored on the Animal Stockpile." In [[Seed]]s, however, there's nothing that tells you that they are in the Food stockpile, and the [[Pick]] page redirects to [[Equipment]] which doesn't say anything about a stockpile for picks either.

Let's see an example of a stockpile setting info I'd like to see about bags:

: Stockpile of Bags: Furniture > Types > boxes and bags. Disable Stone/Clay and Metal. Restrict Other Materials to cloth, leather, silk, yarn."

I'll probably find a better way to express it, I'll have to see that it looks more or less the same across wiki pages, too.

Three ways how to add this information to the wiki came to my mind, all have their pros and cons:

: '''1.''' A stockpile setting overview page. Basically a table of all the stockpile categories, subcategories, and item entries from the stockpile setting page ({{k|p}}-{{k|t}}) and tell the users to find (Ctrl-F) the item somewhere on the page.
:: '''Pro:''' Done quickly.
:: '''Con:''' I assume people would rather expect to find the stockpile setting info in the item's dedicated page and would not think of looking for it in a stockpile setting page. Also, users should not be bothered with a search in page.

: '''2.''' Adding a "Stockpile" section to the <nowiki>{{furniture}}</nowiki> float, where people could see how to set it up.
:: '''Pro:''' Stockpile setting would be found extremely easily.
:: '''Con:''' No solution for non-furniture items.
:: '''Con:''' Would contain too much text in some cases (e.g. for bags you need to restrict the material to differentiate them from coffers or chests).

: '''3.''' Each item which can have its individual stockpile could have its own wiki page with a "Stockpile setting" section (or maybe a <nowiki>{{stockpile}}</nowiki> float?) where you could see this kind of information.
:: '''Pro:''' Stockpile setting would be found easily. People would soon realize that every item which can have a dedicated stockpile has its own wiki page which has a section where they find the stockpile setting.
:: '''Con:''' Requires many new pages to be created, but most of them would not contain much other information except for how to set an individual stockpile for them. Here I'm thinking of pages like [[Plump helmet spawn]], [[Hood]], [[Raw skin]].

Personally, I would go with solution '''3'''. I see that it is unnecessary to have an individual wiki page for each of the hundreds of animal species you can see listed in the Animal stockpile. Yet I think we should differentiate all the non-animal items as deep as [[skull]] is in the refuse stockpile, or each individual weapon is in the weapon stockpile.

So what do you guys think? Do you have any other ideas how and where to save this stockpile setting information in the wiki? Would you mind me starting to add a "Stockpile settings" section to the items' pages and creating new pages where there are redirects or no pages? I admit it would look a bit weird if there were a page about an item but no other info on it except for a stockpile setting. On the other hand this could motivate other active users to add something more.

--[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 10:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

: I think a combination of 1 and 3 is a good approach. But feel free to do whatever you want - it is a wiki after all. :) -- [[User:Briess|Briess]] 20:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== User Talk page for Kenran ==

Hello! I'd like to have a usable User Talk page, so I could put the stuff on my profile there. I could then add some information about myself and some links on my profile itself. Thanks :)

== YAUPCR ==

Yet Another User Page Creation Request. Thanks in advance! [[User:Urist McDorf|Urist McDorf]] 04:03, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

:Hang on a second, I was able to create my user page myself (by simply clicking on the redlink in my signature, and clicking "edit this page".). Not sure if that's a bug or a feature - perhaps the "page creation permitted after 10 edits" rule applies to user pages too? If so, maybe the banner announcement should note that - at present it sort of implies all new user pages need Emi to create them. [[User:Urist McDorf|Urist McDorf]] 04:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

hi Emi, how can i get a user page here

07:23, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[[User:Markus007|Markus007]]Markus

== page request: Noise talk ==

I wish to start a page on Noise, talk page. I believe the 8 tile noise area is ridiculous and should be confirmed. On top, I never found dwarves to be awaken by such a thing. [[User:Discipol|Discipol]] 12:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

== User page creation request ==

Hello, please create one for me as well! Thanks, [[User:Waba|Waba]] 04:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

== DF2012:Steel discussion page ==

I'd like to (suggest) add to the DF2012:Steel page an actual recipie for repeating steel production at a smelter, since it is not entirely well-described. I'd add it to the Discussion page there if there was one, but there isn't. Can one be created? (making steel at a smelter: Smelt <iron ore>/R, Make Pig Iron Bars/R, Make Steel Bars/R, Make Pig Iron Bars/R, Make Steel Bars/R -=> uses 1 iron ore, 4 flux, 4 or 5 coal to produce 4 Steel bars per cycle) Oh, and if it's not too much trouble, I'd like a User page too. Thanks,
16:45, 20 September 2012 (UTC) jpvlsmv

== Please add user page for me bsod.phantom - thanks ==

Please add user page for me bsod.phantom - thanks
[[User:Bsod.phantom|Bsod.phantom]] 06:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

== need discussion page for DF2012:Container ==

This text seems inaccurate with 2012 on the DF2012:Container page: (any of these 4 container types can be used to satisfy the "Needs: X Chests" requirement for nobles).

There is no Discussion page for Containers. I'm a fairly inexperienced player and just got my first Mayor who demanded two chests and a cabinet. Based on the above text I made three rock cabinets and after placing them it did not satisfy the 2 chests requirement. When I made two metal chests and placed them the requirement was met.

Since there's no discussion page, should I just edit the page and remove that line or put a note next to it that says this may not be accurate?

[[User:Bsod.phantom|Bsod.phantom]] 03:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

== Specific heat Page ==

<s>Greetings!
I was doing some research and just noted that, the .40d [page] on Specific heat is largely correct but it's not in the 0.31 nor DF2012 sections. I tried editing the page myself but couldn't do it, so I'm suggestion someone ports it to a DF2012 article. --[[User:Arkhometha|Arkhometha]] 08:09, 7 October 2012 (UTC)</s>

Forget it, I was the one who didn't know how to use the wiki properly. Fixed the SPEC_HEAT page to have a proper page instead of just redirecting to the temperature page. --[[User:Arkhometha|Arkhometha]] 07:42, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

== Yet another new user page request... ==

Hi. :) Could I please have a user page? I appreciate it. :) [[User:Trent|Trent]] 15:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

== Verified Users? ==

I don't contribute here too, too often, but does every user have to type in a captcha for every edit, or is there some way to get verified so I don't have to do it all the time? [[User:Danjen|Danjen]] 03:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, you automatically become "confirmed" after 5-10 successful edits. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:51, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

== A user page, please ==

Hi there, could I have a user page I can edit, please?

Many thanks, --[[User:Matthewbarr|Matthewbarr]] 10:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

== Ratings always fail for unconfirmed users ==

The rating script always says "success" when rating a page, but it never does anything when a user is unconfirmed. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] 19:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

== Hi! Please welcome me... ==

But before you can {{template:welcome}} me, you'd need to create a user page and user talk page for me... :D

Westie (User:ImaWestie|talk:ImaWestie)
[[User:ImaWestie|ImaWestie]] 22:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

== You Must Be Tired. ==

Like many other sections, this is for a user page. Why don't you leave it up to people to create their own user page and this just be for new pages on the wiki [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page]? It would be a lot less demanding on you and people can get the feel for writing a page by themselves.

--[[User:Professor Henn|Professor Henn]] 02:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)Professor_Henn 2:44 AM (UTC -0:00)

:IIRC, it is done this way because the spambots like to auto-create user pages for their spam. --[[User:UristDaVinci|UristDaVinci]] 05:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

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v0.34:Minecart

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A '''minecart''' is a [[tool]] used mostly for [[hauling]]. It is made of [[wood]] at a [[carpenter's workshop]], or [[metal]] at a [[metalsmith's forge]]. Minecarts store up to five times as many items as [[wheelbarrow]]s and are quite a bit faster than hauling dwarves, but have the disadvantage of requiring a dedicated track network and a complex route setup. Minecart tracks also take up a lot of space, may be complicated to construct, and can be resource-intensive.

Just like wheelbarrows, minecarts are considered [[item]]s and are stored in a [[furniture]] [[stockpile]]. Despite their five times greater capacity, they are only one third larger than wheelbarrows and are identical in base [[item value|value]] when made from the same [[material]] (the value may differ due to the [[item quality]]). As items, [[thief|thieves]] or even mischievous animals can steal minecarts, even when moving on a track. If a minecart is moving fast enough, or if it has a rider, thieves will be unable to steal the minecarts.

Although most of the utility of minecarts is in [[fortress mode]], an [[adventure mode|adventurer]] can also ride in a minecart. Adventurers can also pick up and relocate minecarts.

Since their introduction in version 0.34.08, a new [[hauling]] [[labor]] preference was added to all dwarves, called "Push/Haul Vehicles", turned on by default.

The invention of minecarts revolutionized the [[minecart logic|Science of Dwarfputing]] by enabling smaller, faster logic systems to be built.

== Track ==
Tracks can be built in two ways:
*A single-tile wide strip of natural stone can be designated to be [[Engraver|carved]] (with {{K|d}} {{k|T}}), which will create a straight two-way track. The creation of corners, crossings, and T-junctions is as simple as designating another strip of track that overlaps an existant or newly-designated track. Engraved tracks are removed by [[smoothing]] the rock they're on, which results in a smooth floor (that can be re-engraved if necessary), or by building a [[floor]] on top and subsequently removing it.
**The carving of natural ramps is a little more confusing: to carve a two-way track on a ramp (natural only, does not work on constructed ramps), you must designate the ramp '''and one square beyond''' in the direction you want the track to go. For the side of the ramp square you want to head upward, there '''must''' be either a natural or constructed wall in the square next to it, otherwise the game assumes you are trying to carve it on the same level -- this can result in the track being carved underneath a door or other object. If you have accidentally done this, you can correct it by smoothing the ramp and constructing a single square of wall next to it, then re-carving the ramp correctly. (However, the wall must stay there permanently, removing it will disconnect the track.)

*Tracks can also be built as regular [[construction]]s (through {{K|b}} {{K|C}} {{K|T}}). This method is resource-expensive, since each track tile requires one stone, [[bar]], or [[block]] for construction, and time-consuming, since you can't designate strips larger than 10 tiles at a time. Corners, crossings, T-junctions, and ramps also have to be designated individually. However, it is usually the only way to build tracks above ground (barring the [[Obsidian farming|creation of obsidian]]), and the only way to create one-way tracks. Constructed tracks are designated for removal like any regular construction; be aware that removing track ramps built on top of natural ones will also remove the original ramp, leaving a flat floor.

Every track, when complete, will designate the tile with a low-priority [[traffic|traffic order]]. This reduces the odds of dwarves walking into a high-speed minecart; however, it should be noted that pets and livestock ignore traffic orders. Note that removing the track doesn't reset that tile back to normal traffic priority, so you may wish to manually clean up traffic designation afterward. Also note that bridges that are used as tracks don't have their traffic priority changed automatically (since they're just normal bridges), which could cause dwarves to pathfind normally through dangerous minecart entrances in your fort's walls if you're not careful.

As constructions or tile features, [[door]]s and other furniture can be built on tracks. A [[door]] or [[floodgate]] can be turned on or off by a [[lever]], effectively controlling the flow of automated minecarts. This may be dangerous, however. 

[[Bridge]]s can also act as tracks, but only if they're lowered or not retracted. This property can enable levers to turn tracks on and off. However, care should be taken to ensure that such bridges are never operated while a cart is on top of them, as the cart will be flung off the track. It's worth noting that it's often faster, and cheaper, to construct large bridges than long sections of constructed track. It's also worth noting that bridges do not automatically have a low pathfinding traffic priority assigned to them, however.

== Hauling route ==
The proper setting up of routes is essential for a working rail system. Routes, stops, departure conditions and stockpile links are managed from the {{k|h}}auling menu.

=== Route ===
New routes are created with the {{k|h}}auling key. Existing ones can be removed (without confirmation) with the {{k|x}} key, and also {{k|n}}icknamed. Before operating, the route must have at least one {{k|v}}ehicle assigned to it (this can be done with either the route or a stop selected). Assigning a full minecart to a route may result in a slow hauling job if the contents are heavy.

=== Stop ===
Stops are designated by moving the cursor on top of the desired tile and pressing the {{k|s}} key afterwards. They can be removed with and nicknamed with the same hotkeys as routes. Stops can also be reordered with the {{k|p}}romote key. Without a definition, however, a stop is fairly useless: pressing the {{k|Enter}} key with a stop selected in the route menu opens its stop definition screen, from which departure conditions and stockpile links can be set up.

==== Stockpile links ====
By placing the cursor on top of a stockpile and using {{k|s}}, you can create stockpile links for a track stop. Links can also be redefined by selecting them, placing the cursor over a different stockpile, and pressing {{k|p}}.

==== Departure condition ====
Departure conditions involve setting conditions in which the minecart will leave on the route. Each condition includes:
# A departure mode (Guide, Ride or Push).
# A departure direction (NSEW).
# A timer, before which the departure condition cannot be met.
# Conditions on the amount of items in the cart.
Departure conditions are created with the {{k|n}} key. A new departure condition will read: "guide north immediately when empty of desired items". This condition can be changed between basic presets with {{k|c}}. "Advanced" mode ({{k|C}}) allows for more precise control over departure conditions: fine tuning the percentage from 0 to 100 in 25% steps ({{k|f}} and {{k|F}}), switching it being either the maximum or the minimum amount of items for the condition to be met ({{k|m}}), and whether the cart accepts all or only a specific set of items ({{k|l}}). Common to both screens are the departure mode ({{k|p}}, Push, Ride or Guide), {{k|d}}irection, and timer ({{k|t}} and {{k|T}}) options.

To have a cart only carry a specific set of items, the stop can be set to only carry "desired" items, opening the selection screen with the {{k|Enter}} key while having said stop condition selected, and toggling as desired, or it can simply be linked to a restricted stockpile and set to depart with any items.

== Physics ==


Minecart physics depend greatly on the departure mode set in the route stop conditions.

When set to "Push" or "Ride", minecarts will move according to the regular laws of momentum, gaining speed when going downhill, losing it slowly due to friction when on a flat plane, and more quickly when going uphill. In these modes, minecarts will move along the track in a straight line until they either run off the tracks or encounter a turn. A minecart will continue straight at a T junction if possible but if it is not possible the track is treated as a dead end and may jump track. The cart's behavior also depends on the weight of its contents (including fluids and dwarves): heavily loaded carts are harder to accelerate and to stop, and gain more momentum when going downhill. In either case, dwarves can not push nor ride an unpowered cart up a ramp, bouncing back the direction it came. At best, this is a waste of time; at worst, it will give your cart-pushing dwarf a [[fun|fun surprise]]. To solve this, the player can either use Rollers (see below) or set the cart to be Guided.

When set to "Guide", minecarts seem to ignore all laws of physics. They:
*Ignore the weight of any and all items inside. Therefore:
**Move at the speed of the dwarf that is guiding them. It is thus recommended to pick the most [[attribute#Agility|agile]] of your dwarves for cart-guiding tasks.
*Ignore working rollers.
*Will ''not'' collide with other guided carts even when a full frontal collision would be expected.
*Will go up ramps like nobody's business.
This is therefore the recommended method of transport for simple non-powered rail systems, despite it diverting a dwarf from other, potentially more important tasks.

Some samples with behavior:

A <-> B A <-> C A <-> B
B╥ B╥ B╥
║ ║ ║
A╞══╝ A╞══╩══╡C A╞══╬╗
You can only go A->B ╚╝
Works when the cart Works
is in Guide mode.

In the second example above, if you attempt to "Push" from B to A or C, [[Fun|''the cart will go careening off of the tracks'']].

=== Skipping ===
If a minecart is moving fast enough, it can skip over [[water]] or [[magma]], making splashes of [[mist]] (or [[magma mist]]) as it attempts to move on them horizontally. This horizontal movement is independent of the minecart and its content's [[weight]].

=== Track Jumping ===
If a minecart encounters the end of the track or a T junction where it can not continue straight it may jump off of the track if it is going fast enough. The minecart will now continue in a straight line until in encounters an obstacle, slows to a stop, or encounters another (properly aligned) Track. An escaped minecart will follow another track even if it is a corner.

=== Falling ===
When falling, a minecart appears to cause no damage upon collision with a creature, possibly to allow cart "stacking" across Z-levels. {{verify}} A dwarf riding in a minecart that is dropped multiple z-levels suffers normal fall damage. Minecarts can fall through up/down stairs.

=== Stacking ===
If a minecart lands on another minecart in exactly the perfect orientation and time, they may form a stack (effectively a pillar) of minecarts. This pillar, aside from the [[megaprojects]] uses possible, is also useful for [[trap design]] with minecarts as the weaponry.

The location of the upper minecarts, above what seems to be thin air, can be confusing. These minecarts generally need to be struck with another minecart to move out, or have their support removed. The latter option can be somewhat dangerous, however.

=== Danger ===
Minecarts are not without [[Fun|danger]]. Although designating a track automatically sets the [[traffic]] designation to low, dwarves ''may'' still walk on them, and [[creature]]s ignore traffic designations altogether. If an unlucky dwarf or creature fails to [[dodger|dodge]] a minecart, they can be injured. Most of this danger can be avoided by setting the minecart {{k|h}}auling commands to guide instead of push or ride, as dwarves guiding minecarts will ignore traffic restrictions, by [[pasture|pasturing]] domestic animals, and preventing the access of other creatures to the tracks.

Danger does not always involve living victims: careless route designation can also result in minecarts careening off tracks or colliding with each other. If this occurs, the [[item]]s may be scattered; this can cause even more hauling jobs than the minecart aimed to eliminate. Even <s>better</s> worse, scattered items, especially [[weapon]]s, can injure passing [[dwarf|dwarves]] or other [[creature]]s; in the words of Toady One the Great, "Accidental grapeshotting of the dining room should be possible now."

Of course, the danger of using minecarts means they can also be used as weapons by imaginative players.

== Automation ==

=== Track stop ===
Track stops are constructions that allow further automation of minecart systems via adjustable features such as braking by friction and automatic dumping of contents. They can be built from logs, bars and blocks through {{K|b}} {{K|C}} {{K|S}}; friction amount, dumping toggle and dumping direction must be set '''before''' construction, and these settings can be neither changed nor seen thereafter; however, track stops can be linked to [[pressure plate]]s or [[lever]]s to toggle friction upon activation. Take care not to set track stops at a loading site to dump their contents, or dwarves will never be able to fill the cart.

Track stops are not mandatory; in fact, their main use is in automated rail systems, to stop and hold extremely fast-moving minecarts or to dump contents mid-way without stopping. However, even in basic rail systems it can be useful to set a track stop to dump items: this saves time that dwarves would otherwise spend in removing items from the cart, time that is better spent driving the cart back to where it's needed.

If a stockpile is built on the square that a track stop is set to dump to, it can act as a [[ Exploit#Quantum_stockpiles|quantum stockpile]] and any items dumped from a minecart that match the storage settings of the stockpile will remain there and accumulate. Normally trackstops are built on top of existing track to operate on moving minecarts, but they can also be used without tracks to create [[Exploit#The_Minecart_Stop|automatic quantum stockpiles]] (see also [[#Example|route example]]).

Counter-intuitive to their construction method, track stops are considered [[building]]s and must be removed by {{k|q}} {{k|x}}.

=== Roller ===
A '''roller''' is a [[power]]ed [[machine component]] for the automated propulsion of minecarts. They are built with {{K|b}} {{K|M}} {{K|r}}, requiring a [[mechanic]], one or more [[mechanism]]s and a [[rope]]. Rollers are very useful to maintain a cart's momentum along long routes, to get them to climb Z-levels without dwarfpower involved, and to get them to reach speeds unattainable by guiding dwarves. These devices are variable-length, variable-direction, and variable-power, all traits that can be set at construction time; at the highest speed, a roller uses two units of power per tile it is long.

Rollers may apparently be placed directly on ramps to help pull carts up Z levels. Currently rollers can only be placed on ramps if it would result in it being connected to a preexisting power connection (gears, axles, or pumps). Rollers will transfer power along their sides but not from their front or back (the edges on the track).

Care must be taken in [[glacier]]s and other extremely cold [[biome]]s, since rollers can be rendered inoperable when exposed to freezing [[temperature]]s.

Because of their one-way nature, rollers are unsuitable for most two-way minecart tracks. However, a minecart set to be ''guided'' is not affected by rollers at all — this allows a one-way track to be used in both directions. In addition, rollers do not affect minecarts when disengaged: switching mechanisms (such as a [[pressure plate]] attached to powering [[gear assembly]]) can be used to create complex paths.

Rollers cannot be powered from above.

=== Switching ===


A rudimentary track switch can be constructed by building a T-junction as illustrated below.

B╥ B╥
║ ║
║ -> ║
║ ║
A╞════╚════╡C A╞════R════╡C

The 'R' is roller pushing from East to West.
If the cart is pushed East from the stop at 'A' while the roller is activated, it will arrive at 'B'. If the roller is not running, it will arrive at 'C'.

This switch has a disadvantage - it requires power. An alternative non-powered solution uses controlled derailment, or a connecting bridge.

B╥
║
║
A╞════╝D ════╡C

Here the track between A and C is not continuous. The only continuous track is A->B, with a corner (not a T section). Fast moving carts will tend to derail at D and rejoin the track to C. Placing a door at D will prevent the derailment, so the cart continues to B. The door is operated by mechanisms elsewhere (typically, a lever, but some fun can be had with pressure plates).

If carts are moving too slowly to reliably derail at the corner, a retractable bridge may be used as a connector between A and C.
B╥
║
║
A╞════bbb════╡C
The bridge must overlap the corner so that it acts as if a T junction track when extended. When retracted, the corner reappears, so the slower carts will continue to B.

=== Controlling Speed ===


Minecarts can reach extremely high speeds, especially when descending multiple Z-levels. A minecart will derail at a track corner if it's speed exceeds 0.5 m/s (here m/s really means tiles per step), '''unless''' the route in the direction of travel is blocked:

Will derail at > 0.5 m/s:

in ═╗->
out

Will not derail at > 0.5 m/s:

in ═╗O
|
v
out

O is wall.

This behavior can be used to build a "speed limiter", that will ensure that when a minecart exits it is traveling below derail speed:

OOOO
in ═╔═╗O
out ═╬═╝O
O╚S╝O
OOOOO

O is wall, S is a Track Stop set to High Friction or lower. If the minecart is traveling below derailment speed it will not be effected.

== Example ==

Let's construct a simple minecart route. This route will move stone blocks from an input stockpile to an output stockpile. We'll begin by creating the stockpiles:

[[File:minecart-example-1.png|Stockpiles designated.]]

The input stockpile is on the left; the output stockpile is on the right. We'll be moving blocks from left to right. Disable bins in both stockpiles, and set the input stockpile to accept only from links. Then make the stockpile take from the mason's workshop where the blocks are being produced.

Next, carve the track:

[[File:minecart-example-2.png|Track carving designation.]]

Note that the ends of the designation are uniquely shaped; this is automatic, and not anything you need to control. Now, wait for your engravers to come along and carve the track into the stone. (Your haulers will probably also fill up the input stockpile while you wait.)

In addition, while we're waiting for that to happen, we'll build an iron minecart in the forge.

[[File:minecart-example-3.png|Track carved.]]

When the track has been carved, it will look like the above (the track will be solid instead of flashing). Now, order a track stop to be constructed next to the output stockpile:

{|
| [[File:minecart-example-4.png|Track stop designation.]]
| [[File:minecart-example-5.png|Select dumping direction.]]
|}

You must press {{k|d}} three times to select the dumping direction ''before'' placing the track stop. We want our blocks to be dumped into the output stockpile east of the track stop. Then wait for a mechanic to come along and build the track stop.

[[File:minecart-example-6.png|Track stop constructed.]]

Now we'll define the actual ''route''. This is done in the {{k|h}}auling menu. Press {{k|r}} to begin defining a route. Next, move the cursor to the input end of the track, and then press {{k|s}} to define the first stop:

{|
| [[File:minecart-example-7.png|Stop 1 designation.]]
| [[File:minecart-example-8.png|Route definition, in progress.]]
|}

Move the cursor again, to the output end of the track, and press {{k|s}} again to define the second stop:

{|
| [[File:minecart-example-9.png|Stop 2 designation.]]
| [[File:minecart-example-10.png|Route definition, two stops.]]
|-
|
| [[File:minecart-example-11.png|Stops are not defined yet.]]
|}

There are several user interface features to note at this point. The stops have been positioned, but they haven't been ''defined'' yet, so there is a warning ! symbol by each of them. In the lower right corner, we see what the ! means. Also, note that the second stop is labeled in white, while the other two lines are grey. The white text is a selection indicator, and can be moved up and down by pressing {{k|+}}/{{k|-}}.

Next we need to define what our stops do. We want the minecart to be filled with blocks at the first stop, then travel to the second stop where it will dump its cargo, and then return. Press {{k|-}} to move the selection up to stop 1, and {{k|Enter}} to open it up. By default, the stop has three conditions:

[[File:minecart-example-12.png|Default stop definition.]]

We don't want any of these, so press {{k|x}} three times to delete them. This leaves us with a blank stop. Now we can add the conditions we actually want. Press {{k|n}} to begin adding the first condition, then {{k|d}} twice to change the direction from north to east. Then press {{k|c}} to change the condition from empty to full. This will instruct the minecart to be guided east when full of desired items.

To set the desired items, we create a stockpile link. Press {{k|s}}, then move the cursor to the input stockpile, then press {{k|p}} to select that stockpile. Now press {{k|Enter}}; this opens up a selection screen that resembles the stockpile customization screen. Move down to Blocks, {{k|e}}nable them, then (if you wish) restrict it to stone blocks.

When you've done all that, stop 1 should look like this:

[[File:minecart-example-13.png|Stop 1, defined.]]

Stop 2 is much simpler. All we need to do is have the minecart return to the input stop. So, make a condition and change the direction:

[[File:minecart-example-14.png|Stop 2, defined.]]

Finally, we just have to assign our minecart. Go back to the route definition screen, and press {{k|v}}. Select the minecart, and press {{k|Enter}}.

Now we've got everything set up:

[[File:minecart-example-15.png|Route, fully defined.]]

The V is red because the minecart hasn't been moved onto the track yet. Some dwarf will have to haul it from the forge to the first stop, by hand; this will take a while, especially if the forge is far away.

Once the minecart is in place, dwarves should fill it with blocks from the input stockpile, which will in turn be filled with blocks from the workshop where your mason has been toiling dutifully. When the minecart is full, the blocks will be dumped into the 1x1 stockpile on the right. Automatic quantum dumping!

== Troubleshooting ==

Because of the complexity of the system, all but the most careful and experienced minecart users will encounter issues. Most route issues can be diagnosed and fixed from the {{k|h}}auling menu.

'''Symptom:''' {{DFtext|! Set dir/connect track|6:1}} message appears to the right of one or more stops
<br>'''Possible Causes:'''
* The departure direction of the stop might be invalid. Edit the stop using {{k|Enter}} and press{{k|d}} until it is pointing in a valid direction.
* The track stop might not be built on top of a track. The track stop must be deconstructed to remedy this issue.
* Your track might not be built correctly. Make sure all connected tracks between destinations are not one-way tracks.
** This can be especially confusing with ramps. To carve a two-way track on a (natural) ramp, you must designate the ramp <b>and one square beyond</b> in the direction you want the track to go.
** Ramps '''must''' have a solid block on the side opposite to the track, or they will neither work nor be marked as "unusable". The solid block can be natural or constructed.
* The desired/kept items might not be configured correctly.

'''Symptom:''' The status '''0% <span style="color:#00dd00;">V</span>''' always appears to the right of one stop.
<br>'''Possible Causes:'''
* The stop may not be set to take from a stockpile. Edit the Stop using {{k|Enter}} and make sure you see a message like "Take from Stockpile #1".
* The take conditions must correspond with the contents of the stockpile.
* The track stop may be set to dump. A track stop set to dump cannot be filled. You must either set the stop to a time-based departure or deconstruct the track stop and rebuild it without dumping.
* Make sure the minecart itself has not been designated to be dumped (such as when using mass-dump).

== Capacity ==
Minecarts have five times the capacity of wheelbarrows, which is an enormous amount. A single minecart can carry 2500 rolls of [[cloth]], for example, or even a hundred stone blocks. Unfortunately, loading 2500 [[stone|boulder]]s onto a minecart is not possible.

[[Water]] and [[magma]] can also be loaded into minecarts by submerging them to a depth of at least 6/7, and dumped by a constructed track stop. Loading fluids onto minecarts can be difficult because their weight can slow the minecart down greatly. Curiously, filling a minecart with magma does not injure a dwarf ''riding'' it. A minecart will hold enough magma to increase the depth of a single tile by 2. This amount is listed as 833 units, which weigh 999Γ. An iron or steel cart filled with magma weighs 1313Γ. An adamantine one weighs 1007Γ.

The capacity in a minecart affects whether a [[pressure plate]] triggers or not, based on the pressure plate's setting.

== Bugs ==

*If you set up lots of routes and stops and then resize your screen, the list will scroll off-screen in the hauling menu. You can still navigate the list with keyboard commands, but cannot see the stop/route name. This will be fixed in the next release.
*A dwarf will drop its [[child|baby]], if it has one, when boarding a minecart set to be ridden.
*Tracks block wagon access to trade depots.{{bug|6040}}
*Dwarves cannot guide a minecart through an unlocked door unless another dwarf opens the door{{bug|6056}}

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A '''minecart''' is a [[tool]] used mostly for [[hauling]]. It is made of [[wood]] at a [[carpenter's workshop]], or [[metal]] at a [[metalsmith's forge]]. Minecarts store up to five times as many items as [[wheelbarrow]]s and are quite a bit faster than hauling dwarves, but have the disadvantage of requiring a dedicated track network and a complex route setup. Minecart tracks also take up a lot of space, may be complicated to construct, and can be resource-intensive.

Just like wheelbarrows, minecarts are considered [[item]]s and are stored in a [[furniture]] [[stockpile]]. Despite their five times greater capacity, they are only one third larger than wheelbarrows and are identical in base [[item value|value]] when made from the same [[material]] (the value may differ due to the [[item quality]]). As items, [[thief|thieves]] or even mischievous animals can steal minecarts, even when moving on a track. If a minecart is moving fast enough, or if it has a rider, thieves will be unable to steal the minecarts.

Although most of the utility of minecarts is in [[fortress mode]], an [[adventure mode|adventurer]] can also ride in a minecart. Adventurers can also pick up and relocate minecarts.

Since their introduction in version 0.34.08, a new [[hauling]] [[labor]] preference was added to all dwarves, called "Push/Haul Vehicles", turned on by default.

The invention of minecarts revolutionized the [[minecart logic|Science of Dwarfputing]] by enabling smaller, faster logic systems to be built.

== Track ==
Tracks can be built in two ways:
*A single-tile wide strip of natural stone can be designated to be [[Engraver|carved]] (with {{K|d}} {{k|T}}), which will create a straight two-way track. The creation of corners, crossings, and T-junctions is as simple as designating another strip of track that overlaps an existant or newly-designated track. Engraved tracks are removed by [[smoothing]] the rock they're on, which results in a smooth floor (that can be re-engraved if necessary), or by building a [[floor]] on top and subsequently removing it.
**The carving of natural ramps is a little more confusing: to carve a two-way track on a ramp (natural only, does not work on constructed ramps), you must designate the ramp '''and one square beyond''' in the direction you want the track to go. For the side of the ramp square you want to head upward, there '''must''' be either a natural or constructed wall in the square next to it, otherwise the game assumes you are trying to carve it on the same level -- this can result in the track being carved underneath a door or other object. If you have accidentally done this, you can correct it by smoothing the ramp and constructing a single square of wall next to it, then re-carving the ramp correctly. (However, the wall must stay there permanently, removing it will disconnect the track.)

*Tracks can also be built as regular [[construction]]s (through {{K|b}} {{K|C}} {{K|T}}). This method is resource-expensive, since each track tile requires one stone, [[bar]], or [[block]] for construction, and time-consuming, since you can't designate strips larger than 10 tiles at a time. Corners, crossings, T-junctions, and ramps also have to be designated individually. However, it is usually the only way to build tracks above ground (barring the [[Obsidian farming|creation of obsidian]]), and the only way to create one-way tracks. Constructed tracks are designated for removal like any regular construction; be aware that removing track ramps built on top of natural ones will also remove the original ramp, leaving a flat floor.

Every track, when complete, will designate the tile with a low-priority [[traffic|traffic order]]. This reduces the odds of dwarves walking into a high-speed minecart; however, it should be noted that pets and livestock ignore traffic orders. Note that removing the track doesn't reset that tile back to normal traffic priority, so you may wish to manually clean up traffic designation afterward. Also note that bridges that are used as tracks don't have their traffic priority changed automatically (since they're just normal bridges), which could cause dwarves to pathfind normally through dangerous minecart entrances in your fort's walls if you're not careful.

As constructions or tile features, [[door]]s and other furniture can be built on tracks. A [[door]] or [[floodgate]] can be turned on or off by a [[lever]], effectively controlling the flow of automated minecarts. This may be dangerous, however. 

[[Bridge]]s can also act as tracks, but only if they're lowered or not retracted. This property can enable levers to turn tracks on and off. However, care should be taken to ensure that such bridges are never operated while a cart is on top of them, as the cart will be flung off the track. It's worth noting that it's often faster, and cheaper, to construct large bridges than long sections of constructed track. It's also worth noting that bridges do not automatically have a low pathfinding traffic priority assigned to them, however.

== Hauling route ==
The proper setting up of routes is essential for a working rail system. Routes, stops, departure conditions and stockpile links are managed from the {{k|h}}auling menu.

=== Route ===
New routes are created with the {{k|h}}auling key. Existing ones can be removed (without confirmation) with the {{k|x}} key, and also {{k|n}}icknamed. Before operating, the route must have at least one {{k|v}}ehicle assigned to it (this can be done with either the route or a stop selected). Assigning a full minecart to a route may result in a slow hauling job if the contents are heavy.

=== Stop ===
Stops are designated by moving the cursor on top of the desired tile and pressing the {{k|s}} key afterwards. They can be removed with and nicknamed with the same hotkeys as routes. Stops can also be reordered with the {{k|p}}romote key. Without a definition, however, a stop is fairly useless: pressing the {{k|Enter}} key with a stop selected in the route menu opens its stop definition screen, from which departure conditions and stockpile links can be set up.

==== Stockpile links ====
By placing the cursor on top of a stockpile and using {{k|s}}, you can create stockpile links for a track stop. Links can also be redefined by selecting them, placing the cursor over a different stockpile, and pressing {{k|p}}.

==== Departure condition ====
Departure conditions involve setting conditions in which the minecart will leave on the route. Each condition includes:
# A departure mode (Guide, Ride or Push).
# A departure direction (NSEW).
# A timer, before which the departure condition cannot be met.
# Conditions on the amount of items in the cart.
Departure conditions are created with the {{k|n}} key. A new departure condition will read: "guide north immediately when empty of desired items". This condition can be changed between basic presets with {{k|c}}. "Advanced" mode ({{k|C}}) allows for more precise control over departure conditions: fine tuning the percentage from 0 to 100 in 25% steps ({{k|f}} and {{k|F}}), switching it being either the maximum or the minimum amount of items for the condition to be met ({{k|m}}), and whether the cart accepts all or only a specific set of items ({{k|l}}). Common to both screens are the departure mode ({{k|p}}, Push, Ride or Guide), {{k|d}}irection, and timer ({{k|t}} and {{k|T}}) options.

To have a cart only carry a specific set of items, the stop can be set to only carry "desired" items, opening the selection screen with the {{k|Enter}} key while having said stop condition selected, and toggling as desired, or it can simply be linked to a restricted stockpile and set to depart with any items.

== Physics ==


Minecart physics depend greatly on the departure mode set in the route stop conditions.

When set to "Push" or "Ride", minecarts will move according to the regular laws of momentum, gaining speed when going downhill, losing it slowly due to friction when on a flat plane, and more quickly when going uphill. In these modes, minecarts will move along the track in a straight line until they either run off the tracks or encounter a turn. A minecart will continue straight at a T junction if possible but if it is not possible the track is treated as a dead end and may jump track. The cart's behavior also depends on the weight of its contents (including fluids and dwarves): heavily loaded carts are harder to accelerate and to stop, and gain more momentum when going downhill. In either case, dwarves can not push nor ride an unpowered cart up a ramp, bouncing back the direction it came. At best, this is a waste of time; at worst, it will give your cart-pushing dwarf a [[fun|fun surprise]]. To solve this, the player can either use Rollers (see below) or set the cart to be Guided.

When set to "Guide", minecarts seem to ignore all laws of physics. They:
*Ignore the weight of any and all items inside. Therefore:
**Move at the speed of the dwarf that is guiding them. It is thus recommended to pick the most [[attribute#Agility|agile]] of your dwarves for cart-guiding tasks.
*Ignore working rollers.
*Will ''not'' collide with other guided carts even when a full frontal collision would be expected.
*Will go up ramps like nobody's business.
This is therefore the recommended method of transport for simple non-powered rail systems, despite it diverting a dwarf from other, potentially more important tasks.

Some samples with behavior:

A <-> B A <-> C A <-> B
B╥ B╥ B╥
║ ║ ║
A╞══╝ A╞══╩══╡C A╞══╬╗
You can only go A->B ╚╝
Works when the cart Works
is in Guide mode.

In the second example above, if you attempt to "Push" from B to A or C, [[Fun|''the cart will go careening off of the tracks'']].

=== Skipping ===
If a minecart is moving fast enough, it can skip over [[water]] or [[magma]], making splashes of [[mist]] (or [[magma mist]]) as it attempts to move on them horizontally. This horizontal movement is independent of the minecart and its content's [[weight]].

=== Track Jumping ===
If a minecart encounters the end of the track or a T junction where it can not continue straight it may jump off of the track if it is going fast enough. The minecart will now continue in a straight line until in encounters an obstacle, slows to a stop, or encounters another (properly aligned) Track. An escaped minecart will follow another track even if it is a corner.

=== Falling ===
When falling, a minecart appears to cause no damage upon collision with a creature, possibly to allow cart "stacking" across Z-levels. {{verify}} A dwarf riding in a minecart that is dropped multiple z-levels suffers normal fall damage. Minecarts can fall through up/down stairs.

=== Stacking ===
If a minecart lands on another minecart in exactly the perfect orientation and time, they may form a stack (effectively a pillar) of minecarts. This pillar, aside from the [[megaprojects]] uses possible, is also useful for [[trap design]] with minecarts as the weaponry.

The location of the upper minecarts, above what seems to be thin air, can be confusing. These minecarts generally need to be struck with another minecart to move out, or have their support removed. The latter option can be somewhat dangerous, however.

=== Danger ===
Minecarts are not without [[Fun|danger]]. Although designating a track automatically sets the [[traffic]] designation to low, dwarves ''may'' still walk on them, and [[creature]]s ignore traffic designations altogether. If an unlucky dwarf or creature fails to [[dodger|dodge]] a minecart, they can be injured. Most of this danger can be avoided by setting the minecart {{k|h}}auling commands to guide instead of push or ride, as dwarves guiding minecarts will ignore traffic restrictions, by [[pasture|pasturing]] domestic animals, and preventing the access of other creatures to the tracks.

Danger does not always involve living victims: careless route designation can also result in minecarts careening off tracks or colliding with each other. If this occurs, the [[item]]s may be scattered; this can cause even more hauling jobs than the minecart aimed to eliminate. Even <s>better</s> worse, scattered items, especially [[weapon]]s, can injure passing [[dwarf|dwarves]] or other [[creature]]s; in the words of Toady One the Great, "Accidental grapeshotting of the dining room should be possible now."

Of course, the danger of using minecarts means they can also be used as weapons by imaginative players.

== Automation ==

=== Track stop ===
Track stops are constructions that allow further automation of minecart systems via adjustable features such as braking by friction and automatic dumping of contents. They can be built from logs, bars and blocks through {{K|b}} {{K|C}} {{K|S}}; friction amount, dumping toggle and dumping direction must be set '''before''' construction, and these settings can be neither changed nor seen thereafter; however, track stops can be linked to [[pressure plate]]s or [[lever]]s to toggle friction upon activation. Take care not to set track stops at a loading site to dump their contents, or dwarves will never be able to fill the cart.

Track stops are not mandatory; in fact, their main use is in automated rail systems, to stop and hold extremely fast-moving minecarts or to dump contents mid-way without stopping. However, even in basic rail systems it can be useful to set a track stop to dump items: this saves time that dwarves would otherwise spend in removing items from the cart, time that is better spent driving the cart back to where it's needed.

If a stockpile is built on the square that a track stop is set to dump to, it can act as a [[ Exploit#Quantum_stockpiles|quantum stockpile]] and any items dumped from a minecart that match the storage settings of the stockpile will remain there and accumulate. Normally trackstops are built on top of existing track to operate on moving minecarts, but they can also be used without tracks to create [[Exploit#The_Minecart_Stop|automatic quantum stockpiles]] (see also [[#Example|route example]]).

Counter-intuitive to their construction method, track stops are considered [[building]]s and must be removed by {{k|q}} {{k|x}}.

=== Roller ===
A '''roller''' is a [[power]]ed [[machine component]] for the automated propulsion of minecarts. They are built with {{K|b}} {{K|M}} {{K|r}}, requiring a [[mechanic]], one or more [[mechanism]]s and a [[rope]]. Rollers are very useful to maintain a cart's momentum along long routes, to get them to climb Z-levels without dwarfpower involved, and to get them to reach speeds unattainable by guiding dwarves. These devices are variable-length, variable-direction, and variable-power, all traits that can be set at construction time; at the highest speed, a roller uses two units of power per tile it is long.

Rollers may apparently be placed directly on ramps to help pull carts up Z levels. Currently rollers can only be placed on ramps if it would result in it being connected to a preexisting power connection (gears, axles, or pumps). Rollers will transfer power along their sides but not from their front or back (the edges on the track).

Care must be taken in [[glacier]]s and other extremely cold [[biome]]s, since rollers can be rendered inoperable when exposed to freezing [[temperature]]s.

Because of their one-way nature, rollers are unsuitable for most two-way minecart tracks. However, a minecart set to be ''guided'' is not affected by rollers at all — this allows a one-way track to be used in both directions. In addition, rollers do not affect minecarts when disengaged: switching mechanisms (such as a [[pressure plate]] attached to powering [[gear assembly]]) can be used to create complex paths.

Rollers cannot be powered from above.

=== Switching ===


A rudimentary track switch can be constructed by building a T-junction as illustrated below.

B╥ B╥
║ ║
║ -> ║
║ ║
A╞════╚════╡C A╞════R════╡C

The 'R' is a roller pushing from East to West.
If the cart is pushed East from the stop at 'A' while the roller is activated, it will arrive at 'B'. If the roller is not running, it will arrive at 'C'.

This switch has a disadvantage - it requires power. An alternative non-powered solution uses controlled derailment, or a connecting bridge.

B╥
║
║
A╞════╝D ════╡C

Here the track between A and C is not continuous. The only continuous track is A->B, with a corner (not a T section). Fast moving carts will tend to derail at D and rejoin the track to C. Placing a door at D will prevent the derailment, so the cart continues to B. The door is operated by mechanisms elsewhere (typically, a lever, but some fun can be had with pressure plates).

If carts are moving too slowly to reliably derail at the corner, a retractable bridge may be used as a connector between A and C.
B╥
║
║
A╞════bbb════╡C
The bridge must overlap the corner so that it acts as if a T junction track when extended. When retracted, the corner reappears, so the slower carts will continue to B.

=== Controlling Speed ===


Minecarts can reach extremely high speeds, especially when descending multiple Z-levels. A minecart will derail at a track corner if it's speed exceeds 0.5 m/s (here m/s really means tiles per step), '''unless''' the route in the direction of travel is blocked:

Will derail at > 0.5 m/s:

in ═╗->
out

Will not derail at > 0.5 m/s:

in ═╗O
|
v
out

O is wall.

This behavior can be used to build a "speed limiter", that will ensure that when a minecart exits it is traveling below derail speed:

OOOO
in ═╔═╗O
out ═╬═╝O
O╚S╝O
OOOOO

O is wall, S is a Track Stop set to High Friction or lower. If the minecart is traveling below derailment speed it will not be effected.

== Example ==

Let's construct a simple minecart route. This route will move stone blocks from an input stockpile to an output stockpile. We'll begin by creating the stockpiles:

[[File:minecart-example-1.png|Stockpiles designated.]]

The input stockpile is on the left; the output stockpile is on the right. We'll be moving blocks from left to right. Disable bins in both stockpiles, and set the input stockpile to accept only from links. Then make the stockpile take from the mason's workshop where the blocks are being produced.

Next, carve the track:

[[File:minecart-example-2.png|Track carving designation.]]

Note that the ends of the designation are uniquely shaped; this is automatic, and not anything you need to control. Now, wait for your engravers to come along and carve the track into the stone. (Your haulers will probably also fill up the input stockpile while you wait.)

In addition, while we're waiting for that to happen, we'll build an iron minecart in the forge.

[[File:minecart-example-3.png|Track carved.]]

When the track has been carved, it will look like the above (the track will be solid instead of flashing). Now, order a track stop to be constructed next to the output stockpile:

{|
| [[File:minecart-example-4.png|Track stop designation.]]
| [[File:minecart-example-5.png|Select dumping direction.]]
|}

You must press {{k|d}} three times to select the dumping direction ''before'' placing the track stop. We want our blocks to be dumped into the output stockpile east of the track stop. Then wait for a mechanic to come along and build the track stop.

[[File:minecart-example-6.png|Track stop constructed.]]

Now we'll define the actual ''route''. This is done in the {{k|h}}auling menu. Press {{k|r}} to begin defining a route. Next, move the cursor to the input end of the track, and then press {{k|s}} to define the first stop:

{|
| [[File:minecart-example-7.png|Stop 1 designation.]]
| [[File:minecart-example-8.png|Route definition, in progress.]]
|}

Move the cursor again, to the output end of the track, and press {{k|s}} again to define the second stop:

{|
| [[File:minecart-example-9.png|Stop 2 designation.]]
| [[File:minecart-example-10.png|Route definition, two stops.]]
|-
|
| [[File:minecart-example-11.png|Stops are not defined yet.]]
|}

There are several user interface features to note at this point. The stops have been positioned, but they haven't been ''defined'' yet, so there is a warning ! symbol by each of them. In the lower right corner, we see what the ! means. Also, note that the second stop is labeled in white, while the other two lines are grey. The white text is a selection indicator, and can be moved up and down by pressing {{k|+}}/{{k|-}}.

Next we need to define what our stops do. We want the minecart to be filled with blocks at the first stop, then travel to the second stop where it will dump its cargo, and then return. Press {{k|-}} to move the selection up to stop 1, and {{k|Enter}} to open it up. By default, the stop has three conditions:

[[File:minecart-example-12.png|Default stop definition.]]

We don't want any of these, so press {{k|x}} three times to delete them. This leaves us with a blank stop. Now we can add the conditions we actually want. Press {{k|n}} to begin adding the first condition, then {{k|d}} twice to change the direction from north to east. Then press {{k|c}} to change the condition from empty to full. This will instruct the minecart to be guided east when full of desired items.

To set the desired items, we create a stockpile link. Press {{k|s}}, then move the cursor to the input stockpile, then press {{k|p}} to select that stockpile. Now press {{k|Enter}}; this opens up a selection screen that resembles the stockpile customization screen. Move down to Blocks, {{k|e}}nable them, then (if you wish) restrict it to stone blocks.

When you've done all that, stop 1 should look like this:

[[File:minecart-example-13.png|Stop 1, defined.]]

Stop 2 is much simpler. All we need to do is have the minecart return to the input stop. So, make a condition and change the direction:

[[File:minecart-example-14.png|Stop 2, defined.]]

Finally, we just have to assign our minecart. Go back to the route definition screen, and press {{k|v}}. Select the minecart, and press {{k|Enter}}.

Now we've got everything set up:

[[File:minecart-example-15.png|Route, fully defined.]]

The V is red because the minecart hasn't been moved onto the track yet. Some dwarf will have to haul it from the forge to the first stop, by hand; this will take a while, especially if the forge is far away.

Once the minecart is in place, dwarves should fill it with blocks from the input stockpile, which will in turn be filled with blocks from the workshop where your mason has been toiling dutifully. When the minecart is full, the blocks will be dumped into the 1x1 stockpile on the right. Automatic quantum dumping!

== Troubleshooting ==

Because of the complexity of the system, all but the most careful and experienced minecart users will encounter issues. Most route issues can be diagnosed and fixed from the {{k|h}}auling menu.

'''Symptom:''' {{DFtext|! Set dir/connect track|6:1}} message appears to the right of one or more stops
<br>'''Possible Causes:'''
* The departure direction of the stop might be invalid. Edit the stop using {{k|Enter}} and press{{k|d}} until it is pointing in a valid direction.
* The track stop might not be built on top of a track. The track stop must be deconstructed to remedy this issue.
* Your track might not be built correctly. Make sure all connected tracks between destinations are not one-way tracks.
** This can be especially confusing with ramps. To carve a two-way track on a (natural) ramp, you must designate the ramp <b>and one square beyond</b> in the direction you want the track to go.
** Ramps '''must''' have a solid block on the side opposite to the track, or they will neither work nor be marked as "unusable". The solid block can be natural or constructed.
* The desired/kept items might not be configured correctly.

'''Symptom:''' The status '''0% <span style="color:#00dd00;">V</span>''' always appears to the right of one stop.
<br>'''Possible Causes:'''
* The stop may not be set to take from a stockpile. Edit the Stop using {{k|Enter}} and make sure you see a message like "Take from Stockpile #1".
* The take conditions must correspond with the contents of the stockpile.
* The track stop may be set to dump. A track stop set to dump cannot be filled. You must either set the stop to a time-based departure or deconstruct the track stop and rebuild it without dumping.
* Make sure the minecart itself has not been designated to be dumped (such as when using mass-dump).

== Capacity ==
Minecarts have five times the capacity of wheelbarrows, which is an enormous amount. A single minecart can carry 2500 rolls of [[cloth]], for example, or even a hundred stone blocks. Unfortunately, loading 2500 [[stone|boulder]]s onto a minecart is not possible.

[[Water]] and [[magma]] can also be loaded into minecarts by submerging them to a depth of at least 6/7, and dumped by a constructed track stop. Loading fluids onto minecarts can be difficult because their weight can slow the minecart down greatly. Curiously, filling a minecart with magma does not injure a dwarf ''riding'' it. A minecart will hold enough magma to increase the depth of a single tile by 2. This amount is listed as 833 units, which weigh 999Γ. An iron or steel cart filled with magma weighs 1313Γ. An adamantine one weighs 1007Γ.

The capacity in a minecart affects whether a [[pressure plate]] triggers or not, based on the pressure plate's setting.

== Bugs ==

*If you set up lots of routes and stops and then resize your screen, the list will scroll off-screen in the hauling menu. You can still navigate the list with keyboard commands, but cannot see the stop/route name. This will be fixed in the next release.
*A dwarf will drop its [[child|baby]], if it has one, when boarding a minecart set to be ridden.
*Tracks block wagon access to trade depots.{{bug|6040}}
*Dwarves cannot guide a minecart through an unlocked door unless another dwarf opens the door{{bug|6056}}

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