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40d:Trading

2009-03-15T17:50:47Z

CaptainFailmore:

{{Building|name=Trade depot|key=D
|job=
1 of:
* [[Broker]] noble
* None (See description)
|construction=
3 of
* [[Block]]
* [[Metal bar]]
* [[Stone]]
* [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
* [[Architecture]]
* and 1 of:
** [[Metalsmithing]]
** [[Masonry]]
** [[Carpentry]]
|purpose=
Trade goods with other races.
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'''Trading''' in Dwarf Fortress first occurs in the first [[autumn]] after establishing your fortress, with the arrival of the [[dwarf|Dwarven]] [[Trading#Caravans|caravan]]. Trading is a good way to acquire resources that are not available or are rare in the local area. It also allows for more freedom in selecting starting gear, because items can always be obtained through trade later, e.g. one can drop the expensive [[anvil]] to bring 500 extra units of [[alcohol|booze]] or purchase additional skills for the expedition party. New players can [[Your_first_fortress#Trading|look here]] for advice on trading with the first caravan.

== Trade Depot ==
Building a '''Trade Depot''' ({{K|b}} - {{K|D}}) will allow you the opportunity to trade with caravans that arrive at your fortress. Trade depots can be created from almost any material, and construction requires the [[Architecture]] skill along with the appropriate craft labor ([[Carpentry]], [[Masonry]], or [[Metalsmithing]]).

While it may be convenient to build a Trade Depot outside first, it is usually a good idea to move it inside or build fortifications around it to protect caravans and your goods from [[thief|thieves]] and [[goblin]]s.

Hit {{K|q}} to bring up the building interaction mode, and then move your cursor over the Trade Depot to gain access to the following options.

=== Move Goods to/from Depot ===
{{K|g}}: This command becomes active when a caravan arrives on your map. Choosing items from this menu will mark them as [PENDING] and [[dwarves]] will begin moving them to the depot (all dwarves regardless of labor settings will move goods to the depot when necessary). Items that have been brought to the depot are ready for trade and will be marked as [TRADING]. Items nominated for trading will remain at the depot until the caravan leaves, or the [PENDING] / [TRADING] flag is cleared by choosing the item again. Once no longer required at the depot, items will be available for use or hauling to stockpiles as normal.

=== No trader needed at depot or Trader requested at depot ===
{{K|r}}: This requests a dwarf to come to the depot. To conduct trades with caravans, a trader must be present at the Trade Depot. Once requested, a dwarf will make their way to the depot, and remain there until released with this setting, or the dwarf decides to drink, sleep, or eat.

=== Only broker may trade or Anyone may trade ===
{{K|b}}: This setting determines who will perform the trade. If '''Only broker may trade''' is active, then only the [[Broker]] [[noble]] will respond to the trader request. This can become a problem when the broker is sleeping or otherwise occupied, but dwarves with low [[Broker skills]] will receive poorer deals when trading.

=== Trade ===
{{K|t}}: This option becomes available once the caravan and your trader are both at the depot. It begins trading.

==Trading==
{{:Trading/Flowchart}}
After entering the trade menu, select the items to offer from the right, and the desired items from the left. All caravans have a weight limit which cannot be exceeded, and the allowed additional weight is displayed in the lower right corner. If the acting broker has at least Novice or better [[Appraisal]] skill, the value of all items will be displayed. Once the proposal is ready, press {{K|t}} to make an offer, but merchants will not agree unless they make adequate profit. Be sure to use '''trade''', not '''offer''' {{K|o}}, as this will make a gift of the selected items. The amount of acceptable profit is determined by the broker's [[Broker skills|skills]] and the merchant's mood, described below. Merchants may attempt to propose counteroffers if they do not accept the proposal, which can then be accepted, rejected, or further amended by the broker.

A good rule of thumb for inexperienced brokers is to give merchants a 50% or better profit. For example, if the desired goods are worth 500☼, make sure their profit is at least 250☼ (which would make the total worth of the offered goods 750☼). This should ensure that the merchants are happy with the trading and that they accept the trade immediately without making ridiculous counteroffers. With more experienced brokers or pleased merchants, even marginally profitable trades can be successful, and counteroffers can be rejected safely, offering the same trade again.

=== Trading cue colors ===

* Items in brown have been created (or modified) by your fortress. They can be traded away or offered as a gift.
* Items in white were created by another source. They can be traded, but if one of these items has been selected, the entire selection cannot be offered as a gift.
* Items in purple are under a no-export mandate and should not be traded away unless exceptional circumstances (or masochism) push you to do this.
* Items in green have just been gifted to the caravan and they will not trade it back.
* Items in red have been seized from another caravan and cannot be traded as is; you will need to decorate them or turn them into other items for them to become "valid" trading items.

=== Merchant mood ===
If your broker has Novice or better [[Judge of Intent]] skill, there will be a line added below the merchant's dialogue describing the caravan's attitude. Their attitude rises with successful trades (especially if they get lots of profit) and falls when you propose deals they don't like.

* (trader) seems ecstatic with the trading
* (trader) seems very happy about the trading
* (trader) seems pleased with the trading
* (trader) seems willing to trade (Default, at least for humans)
* (trader) seems to be rapidly losing patience
* (trader) is not going to take much more of this
* (trader) is unwilling to trade

The happier you make a merchant, the less profit margin he will demand in a trade. If merchants reach the lowest level, no further trade will be possible, and they will immediately pack up and leave your depot. Since annoyed traders are more likely to reject deals, you should be generous in initial negotiations. Skilled negotiators seem less likely to offend traders with unsuccessful deals.

=== Seizing items ===

Pressing {{K|s}} from the trade menu will seize the selected items of the merchant's. If you seize goods from a caravan, the merchant will respond "Take what you want. I can't stop you." and then leave immediately without the seized goods. Items cannot be seized from the dwarven caravan, and other races will not buy stolen goods (marked in red) unless they are tricked into asking for them via counteroffer, or the items are "naturalized" by decoration or used to create other goods. Seizing goods will hurt diplomatic relations, but is not grounds for an automatic [[siege]].

As a side note, if you remove your trade depot, all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your dwarves. This does not mark the item as stolen, and the caravan will leave.

Another way to steal without marking as stolen is to forbid traders' goods. They will leave them in depot.

Note that the civilization attached to a particular caravan will keep track of the value of items the caravan was carrying when they set out to trade, and they will compare this value with the value of items they return home with. Regardless of what method you use to confiscate items from a caravan, even if you came to possess the goods through no fault of your own (an [[ambush]] killed the caravaners, for example) the parent civilization may decide that you stole from them and send a [[siege]] instead of a caravan the following year. It is prudent to take measures to protect caravans visiting your lands!

===Offering items===

{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. This presumably helps relations between yourself and the other faction. The exact effects are unknown but it is believed that offering goods increases the quantity and variety of trade goods brought by next year's caravan. Also the [[King]] may require offerings before his arrival.

== Caravans ==
Each friendly race will send a caravan once per year, but only if that race considers the fortress site accessible (as denoted on the embark screen). The exception is dwarves, who always arrive. Caravans appear to enter the map from a random direction which does not coincide with the relative direction of the originating [[civilization]], and they may appear from different directions or z-levels each year. Caravans may leave without trading if it takes too long to reach the trade depot, and they cannot use stairs. Caravans will embark on their journey exactly one month after their arrival, whether they have succeeded in reaching the depot or not.

=== Wagons ===
[[Image:Depot alley.png|thumb|right|A depot in the fortress, with a narrow, trapped accessway.]]
[[Image:Depot accessible.png|thumb|right|Composite image of depot access screen. Strategically arranged walls and natural obstacles (boulders) force wagons to enter and exit the map immediately to the east of the depot.]]
All races except elves will send [[wagon]]s with their caravans, which have a much greater capacity for bringing foreign imports and accepting dwarven exports. Unfortunately, wagons require paths that are three tiles wide to pass. Wagons may enter the map in a location different from merchants with pack [[animals]], if the point the animals entered was inaccessible to the wagons. If wagons are unable to find an open path to your trade depot (or if you have not built a depot at all), they will bypass your site and you will only be able to trade for what is available on the pack animals.

Wagons cannot cross [[stair]]s or [[door]]s (even if the doors span an area ordinarily wide enough for the wagon to pass). Obstructing [[boulder]]s must be smoothed ( {{K|d}} - {{K|s}} ), and [[tree]]s must be cut down ( {{K|d}} - {{K|t}} ). [[Shrub]]s do not obstruct wagons, and neither do [[ramp]]s, [[bridge]]s, [[road]]s, or [[floor]] tiles. (However, ramps covered by a [[hatch]] do obstruct.) The impassable tiles of [[workshop]]s and other buildings will obstruct, but the passable tiles of those buildings will not. Any buildings which are normally passable, including [[restraint]]s and [[trap]]s, will not obstruct wagons either, nor will creatures, whether restrained or free.

To keep trees from growing and blocking a path, you should build roads, bridges, or floor tiles over any [[soil]] tiles that make up part of the path. Ramps must be used to adjust [[z-level]] elevation. A wagon can't go directly from a ramp to a bridge, there must be floor tiles in between.

After a trade depot is built, you can use {{K|D}} to check wagon accessibility. The display is somewhat misleading: tiles marked in green mean a wagon can ''fit'' in that space, not that it can necessarily reach it from the edge of the map. Further, the green {{Raw Tile|W|{{COLOR:2:0:1}}|{{COLOR:2:0:0}}}}s only represent where the ''center'' of the wagon can fit -- so a three-tile wide path, which can fit a wagon, will only show up as one-tile wide line of {{Raw Tile|W|{{COLOR:2:0:1}}|{{COLOR:2:0:0}}}}s. When the route they would take goes over hills (ramps), it's hard to eye whether it is continuous all the way to the edge of the map, so be sure you see the words "depot accessible" on the depot access screen.

As long as you have a three-tile wide path to the depot that reaches ''any'' edge of the map, wagons will be able to reach the depot. If there is only one path they can take, they will take that path. You can force them to enter and exit the map in an exact spot -- preferably very near your depot -- by erecting walls or digging channels so that all paths but the one you want them to take are blocked.

=== Liaisons ===
[[Liaison]]s may be sent with caravans to speak to important dwarves. They will allow you to choose the type of items that your fortress is interested in, and will focus on bringing more of that kind of item on the next caravan (however those items will also be more expensive). They will also present you with a list of the items they're willing to pay more for, which will be effective upon their next arrival.

Trade agreements can be viewed at a later time through the Civilization menu ({{k|c}}). These trade agreements are cleared when a liason of the corresponding civilization enters the screen, so they are generally not accessible after the caravan has arrived.

=== Races ===
The following races send caravans.

==== [[Dwarves]] ====
The dwarven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|autumn]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries [[food]], [[alcohol|booze]], [[leather]], and supplies. Dwarves alone may carry [[steel]] and steel goods.
* tends to be well guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the [[Expedition leader]] (or [[Mayor]]) to negotiate prices.
* is responsible for the number of immigrants received (when the caravan escapes alive).
* will not cause sieges when repeatedly destroyed or lost.
* is the only caravan to arrive during a fortress' first year.
* always arrives regardless of embark location.
* cannot have its goods seized from the trade menu.

==== [[elf|Elves]] ====
[[Image:Evil_elves.png|thumb|400px|A typical elven caravan.]]

The elven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|spring]].
* does not send wagons.
* typically carries [[cloth]], [[rope]], various above ground [[plants]] and their byproducts, [[log]]s, [[wood]]en [[craft]]s & [[weapon]]s, large-sized clothing and [[armor]], and may carry tame [[creatures]].
* carries more wood logs the smaller a fort's wood stockpile.
* tends to be unguarded.
* may send a diplomat who imposes a tree cutting quota.
* does not accept some items in trade.

Elven traders do not like to be offered any tree byproducts. Forbidden items include{{ver|0.28.181.40d}}:

* [[Wood]]en items, and items derived from wood (including [[tower-cap]] logs), such as [[charcoal]] and [[pearlash]]
* All [[glass]]; formerly believed to be confined to clear and crystal glass (because [[pearlash]] is used in their creation) but also includes green glass from a magma glass furnace.
* Items [[decoration|decorated]] with any of the above materials
* [[Obsidian]] shortswords (since they have wooden handles)
* [[Soap]] (made with [[ash]])

Offering or trading forbidden items will cause the caravan to refuse to trade any more that season and will leave immediately. Additionally you will be called uncouth, crude, and barbaric for suggesting it. Tragic incidence can befall name callers which if repeated can lead to [[siege|interesting times]] and even great [[fun]]!

However, [[stone]] and [[metal]] items, even when [[charcoal]] is used in production, are acceptable. Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. Different from previous versions, items made of bone and shell are acceptable. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].

Be especially careful with reselling items from other caravans, as decorated items made out of a non-living material may include decorative materials that were made of living materials. All items that elven caravans sell are also unacceptable to sell back to elves, as the dwarves have no means of proving that they were made in an "elf kosher" way — and all dwarves know that elves have terrible memory.

==== [[Human]]s ====
The human caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|summer]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries a very large quantity and variety of goods.
* tends to be moderately guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the broker to negotiate prices.

==== [[Goblin]]s ====
A goblin caravan may arrive if your civilization is at peace with the goblins.

The goblin caravan:
*does not send wagons
*tends to be unguarded
*brings mostly food and cloth
*does not send a liaison or a guild representative
*does not make import/export agreements

=== Destruction ===
If caravans are destroyed (intentionally or unintentionally), the items may remain for use. Traders caught in a [[cave-in]] will flee as if they were attacked but will leave all the items dropped by the caravan behind. Pack animals carrying items are affected just like a normal tamed [[mule]] and must be killed in the cave-in for them to drop items on the ground. It is however much more likely that the pack animal(s) will only be stunned or rendered unconscious and flee shortly after recovering from the hit. Wagons will collapse if caught in a cave-in, leaving all that it was carrying on the ground as a result. Wagons can also be destroyed by [[ocean]] waves coming up onto the shore if you have settled in the appropriate area. The only difference between collapsing under waves or a cave-in is a higher probably of recovering items if the wagon is destroyed by a wave.

Repeated caravan destruction (intentional or unintentional) will strain diplomatic relations and may result in a [[siege]].

User:CaptainFailmore

2007-11-30T15:35:48Z

CaptainFailmore:

== Every Fortress Should Have One ==

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2007-11-30T15:35:23Z

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== Every Fortress Should Have One ==

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2007-11-30T15:34:48Z

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40d:Known bugs and issues

2007-11-14T12:53:52Z

CaptainFailmore: /* Outpost liason */

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33a:==
* 10/31/2007: Fixed problem with work quota validations not being saved, fixed various typos, fixed problem with count promotion, made damp stone warning do diagonals, fixed lag from creatures passing each other, fixed problem with smelter metal counts, added fuel notification for smelter, fixed problem with caravan weight calculations involving seeds and animal corpses, fixed problem with walls turning into soil upon being carved into fortifications, tweaked embark warnings, fixed problem with building material temperature checks, fixed problem with cookable raw fish not being recognized once they are brought to the kitchen, handled water table designation on dig, made main layer stones default to unrestricted even if they are economic, fixed problem with blinking designations, automatically freed broker from depot upon merchant departure, added wooden blocks, fixed various forge jobs, fixed problem with creatures not taking fall damage from hitting the bottom of the playable area
* 10/30/2007: Fixed embark screen abort crash bug, got rid of some duplicate entity links, fixed handling of abandoned fortress migrant entry links and corresponding reclaim crash, fixed displayed affiliation of previous settlers, stopped previous settlers from being in ambush, fixed well crash bug, fixed broken smelter jobs, changed how hidden tiles are displayed, fixed accumulated midmap cleaner
* 10/29/2007: Fixed spelling of negotiator

==Miners Stuck==
My Miners, after they mind a floor down and then started mining to the left, stopped and tried to move the boulders that were left behind but when they did they couldn't find their way. What I did was I mined to the right a little then I made two ramps right next to each other, on the lower level, and then I mined to the left. Some stone was present and so my miners tried to move it to the stock pile but they couldn't find the way back to the surface. They were stuck in an infinite loop of not finding there path.

== Floating Dwarves and etc ==

Certain situations can occur that will break pathfinding on a dwarf and leave him stranded in the air. Building a stairs to his location doesn't seem to help.

== Floating Boulders ==
If you dig an up ramp to a tile with boulders, then remove the up ramp, the boulders may end up floating in midair.
:If you get this you can build a floor underneath the boulder (on the higher level of course) and it fixes the problem.

== Perfect Swimming ==
"Brook" tiles are treated as floor instead of the open space they're supposed to be. Dwarves, animals, even--that's right--wagons can travel over rivers.
(was this fixed on 0.27.169.33a?)
:This isn't a bug. There's just no good way to represent a shallow river with the current depth system. Think of the water tiles below the brook as being an aquifer of sorts. Solid ground, but containing water.--[[User:McFrugal|McFrugal]] 01:37, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

== Rewalling Quirks ==

# Diagonal rewalling is silently pathblocked.
# Rewalling from the top of a ramp is apparently silently pathblocked.
# Walls made by rewalling start out smoothed, but cannot be engraved.

== Optimal pathfinding ==

When digging an area from two ends (ie. farm from outside river and inside hallway) dwarves sometimes choose to start digging from the other end, causing them to run back and forth, digging just one rock at a time in worst case.

== The Most Dangerous Game ==

If you have two or more miners digging a channel, they ''will'' try to dig it under each other's feet, sending their fellows plummeting into the hole. (If you only designate channels on un-mined squares, this won't happen, as the dwarves seem to mine both levels' tiles out at the same time)

Even a single miner digging a channel can get into trouble. Miners may "paint themselves into a corner" and end up surrounded by channel tiles, unable to remove the last channel tile under their own feet.

Related but not really: If you ask a dwarf to remove a floor you've built, he will -stand on it- while removing it. Problematic if, say, it's over a hundred-yard cliff, but still a good way to get the sand down covering the floor at the magma forge 6 levels down.

== Infinite [[Blood]] ==

For some reason, blood is constantly 'growing'. Blood from an accident in the centre of the village (wooden buildings) seems to be spreading further and further without dissapearing. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Don't you know? Your dwarves are building a shrine to Armok. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 11:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

related: not that mine's disappearing, but my fortress has a cleaning jobspam related to the blood - "such and such cancels job - can't find path x23490872340982734098273409283", just like empty archer traps in old-school df. any help? or do I have to abuse traffic designations (and my main hut) to get rid of the damned stuff?

::For both problems, try designating a single dwarf to cleaning jobs only. Let me know if that helps, because I had similar problems but the blood was dealt with eventually and cleaned. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 11:58, 11 November 2007 (EST)

== Wipe Your Feet ==

Possibly related to the above issue, [[mud]] can be tracked through your fortress by dwarves stepping over it. The tracked mud is treated like fresh mud, and will thus take a very long time to dry. Dwarves stepping over this new mud will then track it elsewhere, causing the mud to eventually take over your fortress. Dwarves stepping onto a [[bridge]] will stop tracking mud around, so it may be possible to stop the spread of mud by building a bridge outside of the muddy area.

== Hole in a Wall ==

If a dwarf removes a floor that's on top of a wall, the dwarf will get stuck, and the Visualisation reveals that the floor tile of that wall is completely missing. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== We All Fall Down==

If a dwarf goes to remove a floor, he removes it while standing on it, and will subsequently fall down if there's no ground underneath. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

: This also occurs when removing staircases. --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Fatal Crash (Fixed?) ==
The first fortress I tried to create resulted in the program's hard crash right after the disembarkment screen. I has manually selected the location (sorry I don't remember it's features) and equipment. I swapped out the anvil for a LOT of items: extra barrels, food, crossbows and bolts. I also swapped the copper pick out for a steel pick. The fortress was not created in the files. I think it also refused to save the world map, but that might be user error. The next default fortress worked fine. [[User:HeckRuler|HeckRuler]] 15:27, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

''This bug was PROBABLY fixed in 0.27.169.33a, but could use rechecking''

== Weight Issues ==
Are steel bolts supposed to weigh 10 units each? It makes a quiver of 25 three times as heavy as the crossbow [[User:HeckRuler|HeckRuler]] 17:09, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Startup - Civilization Selection ==
When you are choosing you starting location, if you move the starting zone on the local (leftmost) map, cycle to the Civ Selection tab (rightmost), and change Civ, the area selected on the left will default to original location and size.

[[User:Rylen|Rylen]] 23:21, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Theft in Adventure Mode ==
In the 2D version, you had to actually reach the edge of the map to lay permanent claim to your five-fingered discounts, which was fine. In the 3D version, the area maps are seamless, but the game still seems to think you have to touch a seam before you can own your five-fingered discounts, which very obviously causes problems for would-be thieves and other sorts who would just like to enjoy their newfound treasures in peace. Note that it is *not* a bug that you have to walk over to things you purchase in shops and pick them up yourself, despite the behavior being different in just about every other game out there (for those who know not what I mean, other games magically transport that new sword right into your backpack after your purchase, and sometimes even right into your hands). --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 08:41, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

== Ducky Go Down The Hoooole ==

Wells crash the game now and then.

Despite the changelog, this bug was NOT fixed completely in 0.27.169.33a
Verified by 2 people on DF forums.

I had a crash on my well the moment a dwarf hit it up for water when the stream under had frozen or reduced height, unsure. --arr

== Multiple Mayors ==

You can end up with multiple mayors in your fortress: One from the expedition leader, and one elected later when the population gets high enough. These positions should probably be seperate jobs, or the elected one should replace the original mayor/leader, and he/she should become 'mayor emeritus' or something.

From what I have seen there is only 'one' active Mayor (whoever is on the noble screen as having the job) but the dwarves retain the title when they are removed from office. I have 6 mayors running around but only one (the current one) does the mayor's work. It's confusing as hell --[[User:Gorfob|Gorfob]] 22:35, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Love Conquers All ==

A chained animal, when they spot their original trainer, will break free of their chains and go to greet him/her. Hence chaining animals is practically useless.

== Magma Flow ==
Magma will not flow UP stairs. It will flow DOWN them just fine.
Update: Toady mentioned this has to do with magma using the 'chunky' fluid flow, which does not respect pressure.

==Sew plant fiber image crash==
Ordering plant fiber image in Clothier's Shop reliably crashes the game.
:Fixed, according to the dev blog.--[[User:Mylon|Mylon]] 17:36, 13 November 2007 (EST)

==Trading crash==
Sometimes offering a trade to traders the game crashes. Sometimes looking at the inventory of traders using the view units screen crashes the game.

== Outpost liason ==
The npc dwarf that arrives the first autumn never leaves for me. He eventually gets hungry and goes rampage. Although the [[expedition leader]] has no other tasks, he seems to not be able to fully complete the meeting with the liason. I discussed this in the irc channel and it seems to be some wierd bug.

''The liason is following the expedition leader around trying to talk to him. Atleast in my game, whenever the exp.leader has a idle moment, part of the meeting takes place until he has idled enough times to finish the meeting completely. (edit by: Uberubert)''

''Apparently it sometimes happens even if the liason finishes the meeting. Best answer I've seen is that the liason forgets how to use stairs after the meeting, so maybe try to keep your noble's office or other meeting place on the "ground floor." (edit by: Rabid Llama)''

''I had a meeting place outdoors and this still happened. It doesn't matter where the meeting takes place. Assuming you can get the meeting to actually occur - which takes some work - if it doesn't properly conclude, the liason will be stuck. (edit by: Captain Failmore)''

''Oh, also, for the meeting to even take place or properly conclude, your broker has to have ALL OTHER LABOR turned off. Leave their labors off until the meeting concludes in full. (That is, you've been 'shown the documents' twice and the liaison wishes you well before leaving.) If you let the meeting conclude in full without assigning labor to your broker (who may and probably will wander about aimlessly for some time while the meeting is taking place for reasons I don't know) the liaison WILL leave.

==A Time To Wait==
Sieges completely do not work, and goblins will just mill around aimlessly at the edge of the map waiting for your dwarves to come and kill them. Toady has said something about the AI for sieges being broken.

==Buff Swimmers==
All creatures get stat boosts by training up skills. This is normal. Aquatic creatures can train swimming simply by being on the map. This leads to some very buff carp or lizardmen or other creatures if they've been in water for a significant amount of time.
:According to the dev blog, this has been fixed.

==Sticky Keys==
Sometimes when you are scrolling on the map the keys will seem to stick, and you will keep scrolling forever. This happens when you release a key out of the order in which it was pressed.

Example:
*{{key|8}}
*{{key|Shift}}+{{key|8}}
*{{key|Shift}}
*No key pressed.

After holding the above keys you will continue going up until you press the following or {{key|Alt}}+{{key|Tab}}.

*{{key|Shift}}+{{key|8}}
*{{key|Shift}}
*{{key|8}}

This will clear out the pressed key flag in the game.

:I've found if you merely press the direction key of the scrolling on the numpad this scrolling stops. No need to fiddle with the shift or in what order the shift key is pressed.--[[User:Mylon|Mylon]] 17:35, 13 November 2007 (EST)
::That won't work if you were using shift to accelerate your move speed. You have to tap the key with shift pressed to clear out the shift+key then press just key to clear it out as well.--[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 21:38, 13 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Known bugs and issues

2007-11-12T07:17:02Z

CaptainFailmore: /* Outpost liason */

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33a:==
* 10/31/2007: Fixed problem with work quota validations not being saved, fixed various typos, fixed problem with count promotion, made damp stone warning do diagonals, fixed lag from creatures passing each other, fixed problem with smelter metal counts, added fuel notification for smelter, fixed problem with caravan weight calculations involving seeds and animal corpses, fixed problem with walls turning into soil upon being carved into fortifications, tweaked embark warnings, fixed problem with building material temperature checks, fixed problem with cookable raw fish not being recognized once they are brought to the kitchen, handled water table designation on dig, made main layer stones default to unrestricted even if they are economic, fixed problem with blinking designations, automatically freed broker from depot upon merchant departure, added wooden blocks, fixed various forge jobs, fixed problem with creatures not taking fall damage from hitting the bottom of the playable area
* 10/30/2007: Fixed embark screen abort crash bug, got rid of some duplicate entity links, fixed handling of abandoned fortress migrant entry links and corresponding reclaim crash, fixed displayed affiliation of previous settlers, stopped previous settlers from being in ambush, fixed well crash bug, fixed broken smelter jobs, changed how hidden tiles are displayed, fixed accumulated midmap cleaner
* 10/29/2007: Fixed spelling of negotiator

==Miners Stuck==
My Miners, after they mind a floor down and then started mining to the left, stopped and tried to move the boulders that were left behind but when they did they couldn't find their way. What I did was I mined to the right a little then I made two ramps right next to each other, on the lower level, and then I mined to the left. Some stone was present and so my miners tried to move it to the stock pile but they couldn't find the way back to the surface. They were stuck in an infinite loop of not finding there path.

== Floating Dwarves and etc ==

Certain situations can occur that will break pathfinding on a dwarf and leave him stranded in the air. Building a stairs to his location doesn't seem to help.

== Floating Boulders ==
If you dig an up ramp to a tile with boulders, then remove the up ramp, the boulders may end up floating in midair.
:If you get this you can build a floor underneath the boulder (on the higher level of course) and it fixes the problem.

== Perfect Swimming ==
"Brook" tiles are treated as floor instead of the open space they're supposed to be. Dwarves, animals, even--that's right--wagons can travel over rivers.
(was this fixed on 0.27.169.33a?)
:This isn't a bug. There's just no good way to represent a shallow river with the current depth system. Think of the water tiles below the brook as being an aquifer of sorts. Solid ground, but containing water.--[[User:McFrugal|McFrugal]] 01:37, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

== Rewalling Quirks ==

# Diagonal rewalling is silently pathblocked.
# Rewalling from the top of a ramp is apparently silently pathblocked.
# Walls made by rewalling start out smoothed, but cannot be engraved.

== Optimal pathfinding ==

When digging an area from two ends (ie. farm from outside river and inside hallway) dwarves sometimes choose to start digging from the other end, causing them to run back and forth, digging just one rock at a time in worst case.

== The Most Dangerous Game ==

If you have two or more miners digging a channel, they ''will'' try to dig it under each other's feet, sending their fellows plummeting into the hole. (If you only designate channels on un-mined squares, this won't happen, as the dwarves seem to mine both levels' tiles out at the same time)

Even a single miner digging a channel can get into trouble. Miners may "paint themselves into a corner" and end up surrounded by channel tiles, unable to remove the last channel tile under their own feet.

Related but not really: If you ask a dwarf to remove a floor you've built, he will -stand on it- while removing it. Problematic if, say, it's over a hundred-yard cliff, but still a good way to get the sand down covering the floor at the magma forge 6 levels down.

== Infinite Blood ==

For some reason, blood is constantly 'growing'. Blood from an accident in the centre of the village (wooden buildings) seems to be spreading further and further without dissapearing. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Don't you know? Your dwarves are building a shrine to Armok. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 11:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

related: not that mine's disappearing, but my fortress has a cleaning jobspam related to the blood - "such and such cancels job - can't find path x23490872340982734098273409283", just like empty archer traps in old-school df. any help? or do I have to abuse traffic designations (and my main hut) to get rid of the damned stuff?

::For both problems, try designating a single dwarf to cleaning jobs only. Let me know if that helps, because I had similar problems but the blood was dealt with eventually and cleaned. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 11:58, 11 November 2007 (EST)

== Wipe Your Feet ==

Possibly related to the above issue, [[mud]] can be tracked through your fortress by dwarves stepping over it. The tracked mud is treated like fresh mud, and will thus take a very long time to dry. Dwarves stepping over this new mud will then track it elsewhere, causing the mud to eventually take over your fortress. Dwarves stepping onto a [[bridge]] will stop tracking mud around, so it may be possible to stop the spread of mud by building a bridge outside of the muddy area.

== Hole in a Wall ==

If a dwarf removes a floor that's on top of a wall, the dwarf will get stuck, and the Visualisation reveals that the floor tile of that wall is completely missing. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== We All Fall Down==

If a dwarf goes to remove a floor, he removes it while standing on it, and will subsequently fall down if there's no ground underneath. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

: This also occurs when removing staircases. --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Fatal Crash (Fixed?) ==
The first fortress I tried to create resulted in the program's hard crash right after the disembarkment screen. I has manually selected the location (sorry I don't remember it's features) and equipment. I swapped out the anvil for a LOT of items: extra barrels, food, crossbows and bolts. I also swapped the copper pick out for a steel pick. The fortress was not created in the files. I think it also refused to save the world map, but that might be user error. The next default fortress worked fine. [[User:HeckRuler|HeckRuler]] 15:27, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

''This bug was PROBABLY fixed in 0.27.169.33a, but could use rechecking''

== Weight Issues ==
Are steel bolts supposed to weigh 10 units each? It makes a quiver of 25 three times as heavy as the crossbow [[User:HeckRuler|HeckRuler]] 17:09, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Startup - Civilization Selection ==
When you are choosing you starting location, if you move the starting zone on the local (leftmost) map, cycle to the Civ Selection tab (rightmost), and change Civ, the area selected on the left will default to original location and size.

[[User:Rylen|Rylen]] 23:21, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Theft in Adventure Mode ==
In the 2D version, you had to actually reach the edge of the map to lay permanent claim to your five-fingered discounts, which was fine. In the 3D version, the area maps are seamless, but the game still seems to think you have to touch a seam before you can own your five-fingered discounts, which very obviously causes problems for would-be thieves and other sorts who would just like to enjoy their newfound treasures in peace. Note that it is *not* a bug that you have to walk over to things you purchase in shops and pick them up yourself, despite the behavior being different in just about every other game out there (for those who know not what I mean, other games magically transport that new sword right into your backpack after your purchase, and sometimes even right into your hands). --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 08:41, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

== Ducky Go Down The Hoooole ==

Wells crash the game now and then.

Despite the changelog, this bug was NOT fixed completely in 0.27.169.33a
Verified by 2 people on DF forums.

I had a crash on my well the moment a dwarf hit it up for water when the stream under had frozen or reduced height, unsure. --arr

== Multiple Mayors ==

You can end up with multiple mayors in your fortress: One from the expedition leader, and one elected later when the population gets high enough. These positions should probably be seperate jobs, or the elected one should replace the original mayor/leader, and he/she should become 'mayor emeritus' or something.

From what I have seen there is only 'one' active Mayor (whoever is on the noble screen as having the job) but the dwarves retain the title when they are removed from office. I have 6 mayors running around but only one (the current one) does the mayor's work. It's confusing as hell --[[User:Gorfob|Gorfob]] 22:35, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Love Conquers All ==

A chained animal, when they spot their original trainer, will break free of their chains and go to greet him/her. Hence chaining animals is practically useless.

== Magma Flow ==
Magma will not flow UP stairs. It will flow DOWN them just fine.
Update: Toady mentioned this has to do with magma using the 'chunky' fluid flow, which does not respect pressure.

==Sew plant fiber image crash==
Ordering plant fiber image in Clothier's Shop reliably crashes the game.

==Trading crash==
Sometimes offering a trade to traders the game crashes. Sometimes looking at the inventory of traders using the view units screen crashes the game.

== Outpost liason ==
The npc dwarf that arrives the first autumn never leaves for me. He eventually gets hungry and goes rampage. Although the [[expedition leader]] has no other tasks, he seems to not be able to fully complete the meeting with the liason. I discussed this in the irc channel and it seems to be some wierd bug.

''The liason is following the expedition leader around trying to talk to him. Atleast in my game, whenever the exp.leader has a idle moment, part of the meeting takes place until he has idled enough times to finish the meeting completely. (edit by: Uberubert)''

''Apparently it sometimes happens even if the liason finishes the meeting. Best answer I've seen is that the liason forgets how to use stairs after the meeting, so maybe try to keep your noble's office or other meeting place on the "ground floor." (edit by: Rabid Llama)''

''I had a meeting place outdoors and this still happened. It doesn't matter where the meeting takes place. Assuming you can get the meeting to actually occur - which takes some work - if it doesn't properly conclude, the liason will be stuck. (edit by: Captain Failmore)''

==A Time To Wait==
Sieges completely do not work, and goblins will just mill around aimlessly at the edge of the map waiting for your dwarves to come and kill them. Toady has said something about the AI for sieges being broken.

40d:Kobold

2007-11-09T19:35:47Z

CaptainFailmore:

Kobolds are small humanoids, (slightly smaller than [[dwarves]]). They are technologically backward and use [[copper]] weapons.

Kobold thieves will raid you in [[fortress mode]], generally timing their attacks to coincide with the arrival of [[caravan]]s. They are able to bypass any and all [[trap]]s, and are an excellent reason to channel all traffic in an out of your fortress to a single location, which should be guarded at all times. Once discovered and caught, a kobold can generally be killed by any armed dwarf and even most unarmed civilians.

In adventure mode Kobolds live in caves. They will have guards, soldiers, civilians, children, and the occasional quite dangerous weaponmaster. Kobolds are deadly with a bow but generally an easy match in melee, even for a novice adventurer. Kobold caves are full of trinkets, and they often wear clothing, weapons, and small-sized armor.

== Kobold Caves in Dwarf Mode ==

Occasionally, on maps that have caves present in them, you'll find a Kobold Cave. These pose a possible hazard to your dwarven settlers, as - should they discover you and become irritated at your presence - they can attack your settlement and any wandering dwarves they come across. As mentioned previously, kobolds aren't very tough, but when they gather in large numbers (with more than a few armed kobold guards and other nasty variations of the common kobold thrown in) they can pose a significant threat to your young, underprepared fortress. On the up-side, in the vicinity of the kobold cave and inside the cave itself, you'll find all kinds of random trinkets and other items, with the possibility of valuable goodies being tossed in. If you manage to clear the kobold cave on your map, any potentially valuable crap that they've accumulated is yours for the taking.

40d:Alcohol

2007-11-03T06:44:41Z

CaptainFailmore:

'''Alcohol''' is one of the staples of the dwarven diet, it quenches their [[thirst]] and gives them positive [[thoughts]]. Healthy dwarves will drink alcohol exclusively when available. When dwarves are forced to drink [[water]], they begin to work slowly from alcohol dependency.

Wounded dwarves will not drink alcohol; they must be given water by a caretaker with a [[bucket]]. Therefore, a fortress cannot survive on alcohol in the absence of drinking water, unless dwarves are abandoned when wounded. Alcohol can either be brewed at a [[still]], brought with you from the [[embark]] screen or [[trade]]d with visiting carvans.

To brew alcohol at a [[still]] requires a brewable [[plant]] and a [[barrel]]. Every unit of plant produces 5 units of alcohol. A single ''stack'' of plants will be brewed in one go, and the resulting booze will be placed into a single barrel - a stack of ''Plump Helmet [5]'' will produce ''Dwarven Wine [25]'', and will only occupy a single barrel. Skilled [[grower]]s, who tend to harvest larger stacks, can therefore reduce the number of barrels required to store alcohol, which in turn minimizes the required stockpile size.

==Brewable Plants==

===Grown Inside===
{|border=1 width="50%"
|-
! width="50%"|Ingredient
! width="50%"|Beverage Produced
|-
| [[Pig tail]]s
| Dwarven Ale
|-
| [[Cave wheat]]
| Dwarven Beer
|-
| [[Sweet pod]]s
| Dwarven Rum
|-
| [[Plump helmet]]s
| Dwarven Wine
|}

===Grown Outside===
{|border=1 width="50%"
|-
! width="50%"|Ingredient
! width="50%"|Beverage Produced
|-
| [[Whip vine]]
| Whip Wine
|-
| [[Sun berries]]
| Sunshine
|-
| [[Sliver barb]]
| Gutter Cruor
|-
| [[Rope reed]]
| River Spirits
|-
| [[Fisher berries]]
| Fisher Berry Wine
|-
| [[Rat weed]]
| Sewer Brew
|-
| [[Longland grass]]
| Longland Beer
|-
| [[Wild strawberries]]
| Strawberry Wine
|-
| [[Prickle berries]]
| Prickle Berry Wine
|-
| [[Bloated tuber]]s
| Tuber Beer
|-
| [[Muck root]]
| Swamp Whiskey
|}

==Not Brewable==
Plants that cannot be brewed include:
* [[Quarry bush]]es (Rocknuts)
* [[Dimple Cup]]s

40d:Alcohol

2007-11-03T06:41:40Z

CaptainFailmore:

'''Alcohol''' is one of the staples of the dwarven diet, it quenches their [[thirst]] and gives them positive [[thoughts]]. Healthy dwarves will drink alcohol exclusively when available. When dwarves are forced to drink [[water]], they begin to work slowly from alcohol dependency.

Wounded dwarves will not drink alcohol; they must be given water by a caretaker with a [[bucket]]. Therefore, a fortress cannot survive on alcohol in the absence of drinking water, unless dwarves are abandoned when wounded. Alcohol can either be brewed at a [[still]], brought with you from the [[embark]] screen or [[trade]]d with visiting carvans.

To brew alcohol at a [[still]] requires a brewable [[plant]] and a [[barrel]]. Every unit of plant produces 5 units of alcohol. A single ''stack'' of plants will be brewed in one go, and the resulting booze will be placed into a single barrel - a stack of ''Plump Helmet [5]'' will produce ''Dwarven Wine [25]'', and will only occupy a single barrel. Skilled [[grower]]s, who tend to harvest larger stacks, can therefore reduce the number of barrels required to store alcohol, which in turn minimizes the required stockpile size.

==Brewable Plants==

===Grown Inside===
{|border=1 width="50%"
|-
! width="50%"|Ingredient
! width="50%"|Beverage Produced
|-
| [[Pig tail]]s
| Dwarven Ale
|-
| [[Cave wheat]]
| Dwarven Beer
|-
| [[Sweet pod]]s
| Dwarven Rum
|-
| [[Plump helmet]]s
| Dwarven Wine
|}

===Grown Outside===
{|border=1 width="50%"
|-
! width="50%"|Ingredient
! width="50%"|Beverage Produced
|-
| [[Whip vine]]
| Whip Wine
|-
| [[Sun berries]]
| Sunshine
|-
| [[Silver barb]]
| Gutter Cruor
|-
| [[Rope reed]]
| River Spirits
|-
| [[Fisher berries]]
| Fisher Berry Wine
|-
| [[Rat weed]]
| Sewer Brew
|-
| [[Longland grass]]
| Longland Beer
|-
| [[Wild strawberries]]
| Strawberry Wine
|-
| [[Prickle berries]]
| Prickle Berry Wine
|-
| [[Bloated tuber]]s
| Tuber Beer
|-
| [[Muck root]]
| Swamp Whiskey
|}

==Not Brewable==
Plants that cannot be brewed include:
* [[Quarry bush]]es (Rocknuts)
* [[Dimple Cup]]s

40d Talk:Adamantine

2007-11-02T15:43:26Z

CaptainFailmore: /* Adamantine Confirmed for Brawl- Er, Fortress */

Has anyone found any yet?

:I've heard so, yes. I forget which talk page it was on.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 22:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::It isn't anywhere on the wiki, if a search for "adamantine" would show it. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:54, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
::Cancel that. You can't find it by searching for "adamantine" but "addy" gave me [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3 this forum thread]. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:56, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Adamantine Confirmed for Brawl- Er, Fortress ==

http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3

Not only have Adamantine veins been found, mildly disturbing variations of the demon pits, demon-free mini-pits, and the demons themselves are also mentioned. Striking Adamantine no longer appears to result in an inevitable game-over condition, but breaching a 'peculiar chamber' and not sealing it off afterward can quickly result in a destroyed fortress for obvious reasons.

Also, apparently there are occasionally crazy people down there.

Wait, Savok already posted this.

Oh well.

40d Talk:Adamantine

2007-11-02T15:41:43Z

CaptainFailmore: Adamantine Confirmed for Brawl- Er, Fortress

40d:Known bugs and issues

2007-11-01T08:26:42Z

CaptainFailmore:

== Floating Dwarves and etc ==

Certain situations can occur that will break pathfinding on a dwarf and leave him stranded in the air. Building a stairs to his location doesn't seem to help.

== Floating Boulders ==
If you dig an up ramp to a tile with boulders, then remove the up ramp, the boulders may end up floating in midair.

== Rewalling Quirks ==

# Diagonal rewalling is silently pathblocked.
# Rewalling from the top of a ramp is apparently silently pathblocked.

== Optimal pathfinding ==

When digging an area from two ends (ie. farm from outside river and inside hallway) dwarves sometimes choose to start digging from the other end, causing them to run back and forth, digging just one rock at a time in worst case.

== The Most Dangerous Game ==

If you have two or more miners digging a channel, they ''will'' try to dig it under each other's feet, sending their fellows plummeting into the hole.

Related but not really: If you ask a dwarf to remove a floor you've built, he will -stand on it- while removing it. Problematic if, say, it's over a hundred-yard cliff.

== Contents Under Pressure ==

Melting metal items produces a crapload of metal.

== Making Metal Bars ==

At [[Talk:Galena]] a bug is mentioned that apparently gives you less metal bars than you should have when producing them at a smelter. I havent confirmed it though. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:35, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:This refers to alloys. When making an alloy, only one bar is created, instead of the 2-4 that are supposed to show up. Avoid alloys until the version after 0.27.169.32a is released.--[[User:McFrugal|McFrugal]] 20:08, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Ducky Go Down The Hoooole ==

Wells crash the game now and then.

== Infinite Blood ==

For some reason, blood is constantly 'growing'. Blood from an accident in the centre of the village (wooden buildings) seems to be spreading further and further without dissapearing. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Wipe Your Feet ==

Possibly related to the above issue, mud can be tracked through your fortress by dwarves stepping over it. The tracked mud is treated like fresh mud, and will thus take a very long time to dry. Dwarves stepping over this new mud will then track it elsewhere, causing the mud to eventually take over your fortress.

== Hole in a Wall ==

If a dwarf removes a floor that's on top of a wall, the dwarf will get stuck, and the Visualisation reveals that the floor tile of that wall is completely missing. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== We All Fall Down==

If a dwarf goes to remove a floor, he removes it while standing on it, and will subsequently fall down if there's no ground underneath. --[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 20:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

: This also occurs when removing staircases. --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

40d:Ramp

2007-10-30T13:24:58Z

CaptainFailmore: /* Collapse */

I'm trying to figure out ramps and [[stairs]].

== Construction and Materials - ==

There are two ways for your dwarves to construct ramps and stairways. One way is to carve them into the earth itself, using the ground below or walls of stone, dirt, and ice as a building material. This is done by issuing a [[designation]] over the area you wish to carve out. Once the designation is issued, a [[miner]] will come and dig out the desired structure. By carving out ramps and staircases this way, you can avoid wasting valuable and potentially scarce materials in their construction. (This is especially important if you've settled upon an [[aquifer]], where materials like stone may be particularly scarce, at least for a time.) This also saves your dwarves time, as the alternative method requires the hauling of materials to the site of construction as well as the valuable time of one of your skilled tradesmen, depending on the material used. (For example, a [[mason]] will build stairs and ramps out of stone, while a [[carpenter]] will build them from wood, and so on.)

The other method by which ramps and stairways can be built is to construct them manually from whatever building materials you have handy. Ramps and staircases can be constructed from stone, wood, metal, and other building materials. Using this method, ramps and stairways can be placed anywhere your dwarves need them. This method is preferable when naturally occurring materials have already been mined away from the desired construction site, or when structures carved into the ground prove otherwise inadequate.

== Collapse ==

Be sure to avoid mining out all of the floor tiles surrounding a ramp or staircase above and below it. If you do this, not only will the structures themselves be useless, they'll collapse, both of which can leave your dwarves trapped. While it goes without saying that a ramp or staircase surrounded by empty space is unusable, in the event a construction project arises that will require you to build these structures, always be sure to build the walls and floors surrounding them first.

40d:Ramp

2007-10-30T13:06:03Z

CaptainFailmore: /* Construction and Materials - */

I'm trying to figure out ramps and [[stairs]].

== Construction and Materials - ==

There are two ways for your dwarves to construct ramps and stairways. One way is to carve them into the earth itself, using the ground below or walls of stone, dirt, and ice as a building material. This is done by issuing a [[designation]] over the area you wish to carve out. Once the designation is issued, a [[miner]] will come and dig out the desired structure. By carving out ramps and staircases this way, you can avoid wasting valuable and potentially scarce materials in their construction. (This is especially important if you've settled upon an [[aquifer]], where materials like stone may be particularly scarce, at least for a time.) This also saves your dwarves time, as the alternative method requires the hauling of materials to the site of construction as well as the valuable time of one of your skilled tradesmen, depending on the material used. (For example, a [[mason]] will build stairs and ramps out of stone, while a [[carpenter]] will build them from wood, and so on.)

The other method by which ramps and stairways can be built is to construct them manually from whatever building materials you have handy. Ramps and staircases can be constructed from stone, wood, metal, and other building materials. Using this method, ramps and stairways can be placed anywhere your dwarves need them. This method is preferable when naturally occurring materials have already been mined away from the desired construction site, or when structures carved into the ground prove otherwise inadequate.

== Collapse ==

Be sure not to mine out all of the floor tiles surrounding a ramp or staircase above and below it. If you do this, the structures will eventually collapse, which can leave your dwarves trapped. While it goes without saying that a ramp or staircase surrounded by empty space isn't exactly useful, in the event a construction project arises that will require you to build these structures, always be sure to build the walls and floors surrounding them first.

40d:Ramp

2007-10-30T05:41:04Z

CaptainFailmore:

I'm trying to figure out ramps and [[stairs]].

== Construction and Materials - ==

There are two ways for your dwarves to construct ramps and stairways. One way is to carve them into the earth itself, using the ground below or walls of stone, dirt, and ice as a building material. This is done by issuing a [[designation]] over the area you wish to carve out. Once the designation is issued, a [[miner]] will come and dig out the desired structure. By carving out ramps and staircases this way, you can avoid wasting valuable and potentially scarce materials in their construction. (This is especially important if you've settled upon an [[aquifer]], where materials like stone may be particularly scarce, at least for a time.) This also saves your dwarves time, as the alternative method requires the hauling of materials to the site of construction as well as the valuable time of one of your skilled tradesmen, depending on the material used. (For example, a [[mason]] will build stairs and ramps out of stone, while a [[carpenter]] will build them from wood, and so on.)

The other method by which ramps and stairways can be built is to construct them manually from whatever building materials you have handy. Ramps and staircases can be constructed from stone, wood, and metal, and through this method they can be placed anywhere your dwarves need them. This method is preferable when naturally occurring materials have already been mined away from the desired construction site, or when structures carved into the ground prove inadequate. This is especially true in the case of ramps and stairways made from dirt, sand, or other loose materials, as these will eventually decay and disappear. When dirt ramps and stairways must be built, it's wise to replace them with more permanent structures as soon as possible. If an structure made of flimsy materials breaks down, some of your dwarves may find themselves trapped with no path of escape!