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40d:Sparring

2008-09-16T00:59:57Z

Chrispy: crossbow dwarves will spar without bolts now, as if using hammers.

'''Sparring''' is a form of non-lethal combat engaged in by [[soldier]]s to train their combat skills in [[fortress mode]]. Sparring takes place at [[barracks]]; off-duty soldiers will engage in mock combat with other off-duty soldiers, causing incidental injuries as they go but also gaining experience.

It is said that there must be a minimum amount of floor space in barracks before soldiers will spar there.{{verify}}

To assign a soldier to sparring, you must take his or her squad off duty. This is accomplished by opening the {{key|m}}ilitary screen, selecting the soldier from the list, choosing to {{key|v}}iew the selected squad, then toggling the du{{key|t}}y status until it displays "Squad is standing down". You must have at least two melee soldiers off duty before sparring will begin, although they need not be of the same soldier class. If the conditions are met, the soldiers will automatically choose to spar at their own discretion.

Rotating soldiers between an always-off-duty training squad and a series of on-duty patrol squads can be an effective way of training soldiers without having to assign off-duty status to each soldier directly.

== Equipment ==

When soldiers spar, they practice (and thereby gain experience) with whatever [[weapon]] and [[armor]] they have been assigned, including [[shield]]s. Thus, in order to train [[axedwarf|axedwarves]], it is necessary to assign the recruits axes, and so forth with all other [[weapon]]s. The weapon you wish for them to spar with can be chosen through the {{K|M}}ilitary screen, and then the {{K|w}}eapons selection.

== Sparring Injuries ==

It is possible to severely wound a partner during a sparring session. When practising with [[wrestler]]s, the worst [[injury]] that is likely to happen is a broken bone, although even this can be fatal if unfortunate circumstances prevail, such as crushing the other soldier's throat whilst the most damaging injury performance wise is a blow to the spine, which prevents sparring from the injured party for the rest of his/her life, although it won't prevent the dwarf from fighting or training with a [[crossbow]].

In the event that a soldier is injured while sparring, the soldier will rest until he or she recuperates, just as with any other injury. In the event of a broken limb, it will take a full season before the soldier will be available for action once again. Mangled limbs and other injuries may take much longer, if they heal at all. There are plans to allow these more serious wounds to "heal over"; such wounds will be permanent, but the pain will go away, the wound will scar over, and the dwarves will be able to get back to their normal duties in a limited fashion (see [[Future of the Fortress]]).

If a soldier accidentally kills another, the accidental murderer will receive an unhappy [[thought]]. However, killing another during a sparring session is not a crime and will not be punished by [[justice]]{{verify}}.

Sparring injuries can be very brutal to a fort's soldier population, leaving many dwarves with moderate injuries if precautions are not taken (see below). If your troops get injured frequently by sparring, it's a good idea to keep a solid proportion of your soldiers on duty so that you don't have too many injuries in case of a siege or ambush. If your troops are getting injured, however, you should take precautions.

Certain injuries, notably those to the neck and brain, will never ever heal, even if they are only minor scratches. A dwarf with these injuries will never spar either. If a military dwarf gets a minor neck injury before he or she has gained much combat skill, you may want to [[Department of Dwarven Veteran's Affairs|release him or her from duty]] so that dwarf can at least serve your economy as a hauler (or Royal Guard), and a new dwarf can claim his or her weapon and armor to practice with.

=== Avoiding Injury===
The following tactics can help your dwarves avoid sparring injuries:
*Equipping soldiers with good armor is always useful to protect injury, whether sparring or fighting real threats. [[Iron]] chain is good, [[steel]] plate better, [[quality|high-quality]] steel plate best of all. High-quality steel shields are also recommended. See [[Armor#Using armor|Using Armor]] for more details.
*Equipping soldiers deliberately with weak [[silver]] weapons is an excellent way to reduce the risk of injury. Silver weapons do only 50% of the damage of [[iron]] weapons. [[Wood|Wooden]] weapons also do only 50% of the damage of iron ones, but can only be gained through trade with the [[elves]]. Beware, as it can be time consuming to force your soldiers to switch back to good [[iron]] or [[steel]] weapons in the event of a siege or ambush; if your soldiers enter battle with their sparring weapons they will be much less effective.
*It is strongly recommended to send soldiers through a basic training regime by allowing them to spar without weapons until they achieve several levels in Wrestler skill, then begin their training for weapons directly. This can help reduce the amount of injuries suffered, as [[Wrestler]] skill is used to determine the probability of dodging attacks in addition to its offensive purposes.
*Likewise, the more training your soldiers get in [[Armor user]] and [[Shield user]], the more likely they will be to avoid injury. Thus it is safest to give your soldiers plenty of Wrestling practice, while equipped with armor and shields, before cross-training them for weapon usage.
*You might also want to buff up a dwarf's [[stats]] before sparring -- for example by setting them to pump a [[screw pump]] that isn't attached to anything. This can increase a dwarf's Toughness (and thereby resistance to damage), although it may also increase Strength, which is believed to increase damage inflicted.
*It is also worth noting that Guards spar just like off-duty soldiers, and when appropriately equipped, this will have all the effects listed above. Taking advantage of this by recruiting directly from the Fortress Guard and Royal Guard will help ensure that even the newest recruits will have at least ''some'' training should they be sent into battle.

[[Category:Military]]
[[Category:Fortress mode]]

== Target Practice ==
Soldiers armed with [[crossbow|crossbows]] will not spar; the equivalent to sparring for a crossbow-armed dwarf is shooting at an [[archery target|archery range]]. As with sparring, the crossbow-dwarf's squad must be set to stand down. Unlike sparring, dwarves do not need partners to practice archery. The dwarf must be equipped with a crossbow and a supply of [[wood|wooden]] or [[bone]] [[bolts]]: [[metal]] bolts will not be wasted on target practice. The shooting range must also be designated properly from the archery target (see that article for more information). Marksdwarves do not gain [[Armor user]], [[Shield user]] or [[Wrestling]] skill shooting on a range, so it may be useful to get them involved in a few unarmed, armored sparring matches in the barracks so they can handle return fire (or a close-quarters ambush).

Marksdwarves will use the [[hammerdwarf]] skill to spar if there are no available wood or bone bolts. So it's a good idea to make sure your crossbow dwarves are wearing armour.

== Live Combat Training ==
Soldiers gain experience in martial skills from fighting in real combat as well. For obvious reasons, it is best to boost your soldiers' experience by sparring before they enter a real battle. An untrained soldier can easily suffer a career-ending injury from a [[goblin]] invader, whereas a Legendary weapon and armour user can cut a swathe through an invading column without taking a scratch.

[[Miner]]s use their [[pick]] when fighting unarmed, and get bonuses from their Mining skill. They gain experience in the Mining skill rather than Wrestling. Because of this an expert miner can quickly level-up when sparring unarmed.

{{Military FAQ}}

40d:Stone crafter

2008-09-15T17:08:30Z

Chrispy:

{{Skill
| color = #0ff
| skill = Stone crafter
| speciality = Stone crafter
| profession = [[Craftsdwarf]]
| job name = Stone crafting
| tasks =
* make rock short [[sword]]
* make rock [[craft]]s
* make rock [[toy]]
* make rock [[instrument]]
* make rock [[mug]]
| workshop =
* [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]
}}

'''Stone crafters''' make [[stone]] craft goods, such as short [[sword]]s from [[obsidian]] or rock [[instrument]]s, at a [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]].

{{Skills}}
[[Category:Skills]]
[[Category:Jobs]]

40d:Stone crafter

2008-09-15T17:08:02Z

Chrispy:

{{Skill
| color = #0ff
| skill = Stone crafter
| speciality = Stone crafter
| profession = [[Craftsdwarf]]
| job name = Stone crafting
| tasks =
* make rock short [[sword]]
* make rock [[craft]]s
* make rock [[toy]]
* make rock [[instrument]]
* make rock [[mug]]
* make dirt [[road]]
| workshop =
* [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]
}}

'''Stone crafters''' make [[stone]] craft goods, such as short [[sword]]s from [[obsidian]] or rock [[instrument]]s, at a [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]].

{{Skills}}
[[Category:Skills]]
[[Category:Jobs]]

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-07-15T04:39:50Z

Chrispy: /* Map Generation for 39a */ Signing

== Standardization ==
Along with creating a template for the entries, the images need to all be with the standard character sets and not with a graphical set. It's not very useful to be looking at images one is unfamiliar with - may as well not upload the images. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:39, 10 December 2007 (EST) 
::Definitely something to work on with standardizing the information on seeds. Though maybe later, as all you really need to be able to look at is the X marking locations and size of the box on the local map. I finished categorizing the seeds, and later will be trying to work out a general format for seed entries/later submittals. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 18:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)
 
Personally, I find the way Chariot implemented his seed page[http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Chariot/SEED_196405198] wonderful. The seed entry here on the pregen page could use a little more detail (OS&DF version for instance) but the separate page with site-by-site breakdowns is great! I've got little/no experience with wikis, but I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a template to do that, and make it easy for any new seeds to be added using the template. Among other things, it would keep discussion of seeds specific to their own pages, and leave this discussion free to concentrate on the generalities of seeds and pre-gen worlds. In addition, it should either be reclassified or duplicated to indicate that it's also a 0/low rejects seed. --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 11:10, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)
:I made a quickly thrown together template for seeded worlds [[Template:Seeded World]], and have made a copy of Pauls world (for .33f) in it. It still needs alot of tuning (especially conditional #if for when entries are left open), as well as better handling (or rather handling at all) for worlds with multiple good starting locations. (Not really sure how this last point can be handled most cleanly from the perspective of the user.) Interrested in feedback as to the usefulness of such a template.. --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 18:35, 17 December 2007 (EST)
::Looks nice and pretty functional. As to additional sites, would it be possible to use templates within templates? Specifically, reproducing the current template for the site portion multiple times within it's own set of show/hide areas for each site. Just an idea on that coming from someone that doesn't know squat about advanced wiki-ing. Unless empty entries break the template, should they need handling at all? (since I read somewhere that this wiki doesn't do ifs. Great Work so far! --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 19:45, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)

== Clean up? ==
It was asked why I deleted a seed earlier, and I may just go back and edit it so that it mentions that I tested the seed on two different machines and got vastly different results on the seed than the original seed poster did (see history for seed number). Also, what is your guy's opinions on deleting/redoing entries without maps/pictures or without any major sites of interest? Example: Seed 0 mentions a spot to start at a terrifying volcano but you cannot even embark there.

PS - I'm going to move seeds according to quick creation time (low rejects) and features if possible.

Also, added a nice find to the pre-generated world's list.
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 16:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Unless we are speaking at cross purposes ... I am playing a game right now at the suggested start spot from Seed 0. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:27, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I'll just nuke the useless volcano in the tundra image for now as this is fairly common and taking up room - and you cannot embark anywhere near there. I understand that the seed is worth keeping because of 0 rejects. But in terms of useless information taking up space, that was the point I was trying to make. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::::I see what you're talking about - I think that picture was just there to show that a volcano was in fact in the tundra, because that isn't the photo associated with the place s/he was suggested one should play. That's the other photo. The only purpose to the one you're refering to is to demonstrate that it's indeed a cool map, I suppose. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 18:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

: Well I asked you why you deleted the seed I put back up, if it really doesn't work on other computers then I have no problem taking it down, but I've had no trouble regenerating it and I've had no problem generating other people's seeds. Something you need to do though is make sure you don't alter the settings at all. If there are issues where it only works on certain computers, that's interesting in and of itself, but I haven't seen any evidence of that myself so far. I should add, I do support cleaning up, the page is a mess beyond belief, and I agree some of the seeds are amazingly stupid. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 18:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:: If it works on your computer under repeatable circumstances, leave it up but have a warning tag of some sort :) We could use good seeds. When I have time I will be purging some of the more useless seeds and attempting to clean up here and there. Maybe have some information about your system info/processor/windows or linux? We don't know how these things sometimes affects seed generation. Don't feel bad, the seed I just posted I found out has variable flux/farmable land/sand based on which computers you generated from - and deleting the seed was just jumping the gun on my part.--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 19:15, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::: I've repeated it a few times. Processor is AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Dual Core 90nm 939-pin, OS is XP SP2. Now that you mention that flux thing I do seem to remember someone mentioning something once about a slightly modified map. I'll try to find that at some point to see if there were any relevant details. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:13, 11 December 2007 (EST)

===Removal of older pre-generated worlds===
[[User:N9103]] and [[User:Fedor]] had a bit of a back and forth as to cleaning up older PreGen (Pre-generated) worlds. 
Fedor brought up that some of the changes in map generation since then are for the better, and how most people would probably expect the most recent generation rules to be in effect. 
Edward brought up how the actual world had no changes and were still perfectly usable. 
Fedor brought up that many minerals and gems were typically missing in maps generated in 33e and earlier. Edward agrees on this point. 
Edward and Fedor came to the agreement that it should be a community decision as to whether older (33e&f) PreGens should be left on the wiki. 

Please leave your opinion for this decision, along with any suggestions!

:Leave them on the page with a note that the rock-layer-generating code changed, so the same worlds generated under the current version would have different mineral abundances. If they were incompatible or somehow vastly inferior, then I'd agree with their removal, but having different minerals strikes me as quite minor.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 03:57, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:For the downloadable worlds leave them as is, or update descriptions if anything actually changes. Although I thought that the downloadable ones would fixed at that point. As for the seeds I'd either leave them there if they are still good, or possible archive them to a pregenerated worlds/version page if we get too many. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:24, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:Remove, users can check the history of the page if they want the older stuff. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:28, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:They could be moved to the seed pages for older versions. A lot of the older maps have completely different features(magma, hidden fun stuff, underground lakes) than advertised when played on 38c. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 09:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

== Logging sites ==
I like the idea of logging specific sites to seeds, but how is the best way we can organize this? for a good location explaination you probably need a picture. But if we add a lot of pictures to each seed we get a large cluttered page. What shall we do? Add subpages for specific seeds? Try to think of a generic way to log nice sites (for example: Seed: 12323241 coords:12,13 has: ruins, vent, pit, trees, iron , gold, undead elephants of death, more eagels than the US has fighter planes, etc). (Is it possible to determine the coords of a site on the world map?)

And also, I think it is possible to create non number seeds. I'm going to test this.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 08:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
: No for non numbers. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

The forum had a good suggestion. Lets store all the seeds that reject few regions while you create them. (Or at least reject as few regions as possible). The first one with the vulcano in the woods rejects 9 regions. The seed 2 gives a world after 3 rejects according to the forum. http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001234 --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This thread should be interesting. There's even a world with zero rejects. 
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247 [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 02:34, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anybody know how to link to a specific post of the forum? [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 12:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, there isn't a way. This version of the bulletin board code does not place "name" links within the generated forum thread tables as some others do, so no appending of a "#name" to the URL can possibly scroll the browser directly to the post. The best we can do is link to the correct page of the thread and rely on the reader to scroll to the correct post him/herself. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Coordinates ==

This was mentioned briefly on the forum, but we should make some rules for finding specific locations on the map,
As in there is a magma vent in a tile with no volcano near at this position
The question is whether or not to use coordinates that refer to the map you get when you export your map (the big one), or to refer to coordinates in the 3 sections thats show up when you are selecting were to embark to. I'm actually not positive, they match up.
I'm pretty sure the map you get from exporting is 257x308, and I'm not 100% on this, but I think the middle map of the embark mode is exactly the same, I just looked through it, and it seems this way, but I thought (and maybe this was a remnant from 32a) that it didn't if someone else can confirm or deny it that'd be nice.

Anyhow I propose using that middle map as the basis of coordinates: we use the most general map (which is 15x16) and follow it by actual map position, and lastly where in the local map it is. also I propose using what tile it is to define it on each map as well.

here's an example (which you can verify using [SEED:2260691361])

General: (yellow n) 
14 Lat, and 2 lon 
Coordinates: (yellow i) 
220 lat, and 33 lon 
Location: (green i)-(green i) 
1-3 lat, and 5-7 lon 

You have here a elf forest retreat.
 
--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

====Can't use the middle map sorry====
It's always centered on the cursor. Also the large exported map - it may be bugged presently as it seems possible to find regions that are off the edge of what's exported. What would be possible would be to count the steps past where the position on the world (right-most) map changed, this seems to happen every 16 X or Y steps. Suggest indexing from the bottom left (top right if negative values used).
[[User:Djp|Djp]] 01:10, 22 November 2007 (EST)

:Use the world map to see where the approximate location is on the full map and the middle map for landmarks in that vicinity to figure out where the exact site is.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual entries ==

I like the way #3089130238 laid out the information for that seed. We could definitely use a standard layout for this page. Is there anything else we should be including for each seed, besides the number of map rejections?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:05, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with this, and would love to see some sort of template, for (A) each world, and (B) sites of interest in each world--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:06, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::A layout would be good, but keep in mind that the required bits should be accessible from either the exportable world map or fortress mode site selection. Otherwise, it could become an ungodly hassle to fill out the form and then there'd be no more additions. --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 07:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Seed 92003: I like the volcano named "The Big Flame." It makes me laugh! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Can we please put in seed 1337? (it has 2 or 4 rejects... i cant remember which, if absolutly nothing else... and it has lots of good stuff on it to... i found so many good sites... it was hard to pick which one to... well pick.) but really, its seed 1337, check it out. --[[User:pbhead|pbhead]] 18:20 November 2007 (EST)

:What was good about the sites? People sometimes have very different ideas of what makes for a good world.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

== Template ==

{{Seeded World
|seed = 4265985437
|name = The Legendary Ever-Realm
|rejects = 51
|version = .33f
|genname = RANDOM
|link = http://hyperfileshare.com/d/f91fae26
|comment = This is a most rude stealing of Paul's map above for the purpose of testing this template, changes are bound to happen, please comment in discussion thread/make improvements as you see fit.
|image = [[Image:4265985437.PNG|thumb|500px]]
|features = [[Magma]], cave river, chasm, adamantine, sand, trees, flux and iron.
|missing = Giant cave spiders??
}}

I moved this example template from the main article. Discussion should go at [[Template talk:Seeded World]]. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:22, 23 December 2007 (EST)

==Organization==
I think we should try to better organize the seeds, into a table or such, something like [[User:Valdemar/Seeds|this]]. It would really help to see all of the seeds at a glance. We should also try to take all screenshots using 0x517A5D's excellent [[Utilities#Regional_Prospector|Regional Prospector]], to reveal all the hidden mountain features. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 15:42, 26 December 2007 (EST)

== Re: 4265985437 - The Legendary Ever-Realm ==

On Vista, it is generated with the same name, but with 71 rejects and a completely different map. (33g) Alas! [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 00:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:That's because of changed map generation algotythm in 33g. (Maybe this should be placed in discussion?) [[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:02, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:There's a download link provided for that world, so just download it.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:38, 28 December 2007 (EST)

==Multiple Continents and STUFF!==
Just poking around here. Has anyone seen/generated a world with multiple continents? I've seen plenty of Island, but there's always only one continent and all the "oceans" look more like oversized lakes. Could someone post a world with multiple coninents and if possible realistic oceans? Oh, and has anyone noticed that the polar icecaps are more like large tundras rather than, well, large glaciers... My worlds usually end up so warm, I wonder if the dwarfs have a problem with global warming. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 15:40, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:Depending on your definition of continent, I've gotten two separate land masses that weren't connected. But considering the scale of the DF Worlds, it's not surprising there aren't really convincing oceans. If you assume that each tile is about 1m², (pretty reasonable) then each DF world is only 38,654 km² (14,924mi²) in total surface area. Considering that the Land Surface Area of the Earth is oh, around 4,000 Times larger, and that's not even counting the water area... So yea, a world with a real ocean would be sorta like playing on the corner of a volcanic island. :P --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

::Not to be rude, but I think you made a error in your calculations. Please do consider that Europe alone is more than ten million square kilometers. I think you made a error when you considered "dwarf" squares per embark squares per world squares. Also, considering that the world's biggest mountain is 8848m high and the highest DF mountains are 250 Z-levels high(if I remember correctly), one DF Z-level must be more than 35m. Even when the highest DF mountain would be 5000m, a Z-level should be 20m. At the same time one average story of a building is ca 4m and putting this into z-levels gives us a maximum mountain size of 1000m. Small, huh? Oh, don't forget that that is the height from the lowest bottom of an "ocean", meaning that the real values are even more ridiculous. I can't imagine a ocean in the DF world in your scale at all. Speaking of oceans, I just generated a world with an ridiculous ocean. It's less than 15x15 in size and doesn't even show up on the world map in embark screen. Then there's the stone layers. In a 40000km² area there should be no more than a handful of stone layers, but in a DF world there's hundreds!
::This is sounding very DF-critical, but I really love this game. It's just that that the world generation can be very weird. Oh! And to make this post even longer for kicks. I just generated a world where three oceans divide the world into two, what I would call, continents, but because of two small land bridges they are counted as one. Compare with N. + S. America and Europe + Asia + Africa. Nuff...
::PS. Did you manually add your sig to translate your nick? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 13:56, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::RE Land Mass: Total Earth Land Area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth Total DF Land Area: [[Regions]]
:::Why should DF world relate directly to the real world? Who says that DF mountains would even be as tall as Earth's? You made quite a few derivative calculations on a rather large assumption, IMO. All I've been trying to establish is that there really isn't a point to trying to compare the DF World to the real one. If you're trying to counter that argument, I'm really unsure what the point of most of your comments were. If you're trying to confirm it, then your comments still don't make much sense.
:::As for the sig, I added the normal signature to my nickname preference, changed the field manually, and that's where the signature comes from.--[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:21, 29 December 2007 (EST)

==Smata Sagus download==
(The file doesn't work on my PC. I get a Fatal Error: "Missing Reaction Definition" -[[User:Zara|Zara]] 14:39, 30 January 2008 (EST))
:You're absolutely right, I'd forgotten about a couple of changes I made to the reactions. The same problem affected my other two uploaded worlds as well. My apologies. I've uploaded new copies which are made on an unmodified copy of 33g, so download it again and it will work. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 17:51, 30 January 2008 (EST)

== Organization proposal ==

I propose to place all world seeds on subpages for their corresponding version and transcluding the page with the current world seeds onto the main pregenerated worlds page.
The idea would end up something like so:

''Pregenerated worlds''

<nowiki>==Seeds==</nowiki>

<nowiki>{{:Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a}}</nowiki>

''Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a''

(list of seeds and descriptions)

If we do it this way there won't be a need to move large blocks of text around when the version change kills seed compatibility; instead we can change which of the pages are transcluded onto the main seed page. Any thoughts? I will probably implement this tomorrow if noone objects. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:57, 6 February 2008 (EST)

:Very good idea, do you envision e.g. the page ''Pregenerated worlds/version.number'' to contain both "passive" seed information as well as true pregenerated downloadable worlds?-[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 08:36, 8 February 2008 (EST)

== [[Pregenerated_worlds#Near_perfect_4X5]] - seed #: 1038428822 ==

Has anyone managed to generated the world shown in the screenshot? I generated [SEED:1038428822] with an unmodified df_27_173_38a and the world is nothing like what's displayed in the screenshot. Possibly the original poster has modified raw files that caused it to be different? There isn't much said about modified raws changing the world generated. We probably should add something about that and ask people who have modified raws to post them alongside their seeds. Does anyone have much info regarding which raws can potentially effect worldgen? Also has anyone actually ever tested the fact that different names (non-random) or OSes cause different worlds to be generated or is that just something someone put there to try and explain why there are sometimes different worlds generated? I haven't tested either yet but both sound like strange things to cause a different world to me. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 15:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:Operating system still causes a different output, too, as far as I know. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 16:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::Then we need to write an operating system... I had absolutely different world either. (There's still a possibility of typo in a seed)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:48, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:I think that that seed was for the last version (33g)--[[User:Dragonflare|Dragonflare]] 01:12, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:The Toady One himself has stated in his changelogs that OS and World name don't affect world gen. As for raws, I would assume *ANY* change to them would change the generation. Personally, I think that if you're using a mod, then you forfeit your world-posting privileges, since this is by far aimed at unmodded DF. Posting in a subpage of the mod itself would be different of course. JM2¢. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:31, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::Found this in the changelogs "12/19/2007: <snip> * made world generation results independent of custom name" so I'm removing the world name thing. I'm thinking of removing the OS thing as well unless someone really is sure it effects. Basically what you want to test is making the same seed using two operating systems with completely default DFs of the same version (I suggest redownloading from the site on both OSes to be sure because you might have modified the raws and forgotten or something) but I am some what doubtful that OS has any effect. I actually agree with Edward about people using mods not posting worlds but I was thinking it was possibly a bit extreme so didn't suggest it myself. Unless anyone has any objections or other suggestions perhaps we should implement it? Although probably any change to the raws effects worldgen in some way it would appear that since terrain seems to be generated first not all modifications result in completely different worlds. Since most of the seeds given here are aimed at good starting locations in the form of terrain features it's possible that some modifications to the raws won't effect it enough to change the terrain generated. Of course a 'no mods at all' policy would make things a lot simpler than a 'some mods are allowed' policy. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 07:26, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:::iirc, Toady commented that OS shouldn't have any effect since DF makes its own random numbers. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:33, 15 February 2008 (EST)

== Pocket Worlds Impossible?? ==
I've tried numerous pocket sized universes but have always gotten 10,000+ rejects and I've given up. Does anyone have a seed for a pocket sized world? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:05, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
:Hmm seems some options I changed meant I couldn't generate pocket worlds. It worked fine with a fresh copy so I'll have to check what exact changes I had made which prevented it. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:53, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== Ewèlina, The Enchanted Land ==

Rock salt is not a flux. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 22:34, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
:Well that sucks. I thought all the stones listed in white on the embark screen here flux. I live and learn. Updating article. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 01:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Is the seed right? coz i get the right world name but that map is different... – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Balistora|Balistora]]

The downloadable worlds were generated in a different version and won't generate the same in the current one. If you want a world to generate a copy of, look at the seeds section of the article. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

== Xah Rabin - The Dimension of Omen ==
This map needs a proper description of location and features.--[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 10:44, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

==Map Generation for 39a==
Since there are many more options available in the new version, just having a 'seed' isn't quite enough, esp if many options are changed. Maybe we could ask toady to get a settings import/export to a file or a hash sequence that we could enter in? Either that, or we need a whole new table and way to display these settings. [[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]] 00:39, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

2008-03-20T00:04:41Z

Chrispy: Nevermind, I figured it out.

Hey, I'm new to this Wiki and on [[Talk:Rock Chute]] you mentioned that the article violates some rules referred to as just letters. Where are those rules? I'd like to make sure my articles are compliant. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:[[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#We_are_doing_this.21_Let_us_do_it_right.|The Lettered Rules]] can be found at the top of the [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Community Portal]].
:If you think of a rule you'd like to add, feel free. It isn't complete. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:08, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

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ok so I read the notes you sent me on the dscussion pages, I only made those several edits... 
...because I did several previews and then clicked save "oops that didn't work", and re-saved the page (like this one :P ). Sorry for any inconveniance --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 23:02, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:That's just a generic message that I paste onto the user talk pages of new users who don't seem to have learned the unsaid conventions of this wiki yet. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:34, 6 November 2007 (EST)

== Welcome template ==

I've tossed in a [[Template:Welcome|welcome template]] that I borrowed from elsewhere... you might find it useful for talk page welcomes (especially if things move). --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 13:22, 5 November 2007 (EST)

== G'Day ==

Thanks for the {{tl|welcome}}. If you don't want the text to change, use <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki>.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 04:07, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:I... do. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:03, 7 February 2008 (EST)

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Chrispy: New page: Hiya.

Hiya.