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Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion/Translating the wiki

2016-04-30T16:46:20Z

Darkomen:

= Translation of the Wiki ? =

Hi guys !

For a non-bilingual person, playing DF is much more challenging because of the complexity of the vocabulary ingame. Translations are pretty hard, and sometimes impossible. So giving the possibility to anyone to translate some pages could be great for the community growth.

I'm a contributor of the [http://www.dwarffortress.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Accueil french wiki] since a long time, and i'm thinking about an easy way of translating the wiki in various languages, as Spanish, french, japanese, chinese, german, russian, whatever... But i have a problem with the french wiki : it has a lack of contributors, a lack of efficient templates and an outdated content. This, in my opinion, is due to the dispersion of the french community. We have 3 main forums, and the owner of the French wiki is, by far, the less active.

Actually, i think that the easiest option to go that way is doing just like the official Wiki of the (awesome) game OpenTTD : Making a simple template that allows you to switch the language of a Page at any moment. It means that all the translated pages of the Wiki must be hosted on the domain dwarffortresswiki.org.

I'm talking about this template : http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Other_languages

I know what you'll say : what about the Bandwidth? What about stocking all this new content on the Wiki ? I think that it's not a major problem because the actual pictures of this wiki can be used in all the translation pages. No need to adapt the pictures to another language, because the game is only in english. Stocking only text shouldn't be a big problem. The second point is that if my idea works incredibly well and the number of visitors/contributors of the wiki is exploding (strong assumption), it should be easy to make a donation system for the wiki.

So IMO, the system of translation of the openttd's wiki is powerfull and brilliant.

What do you guys think about all this ?
'''PS :'''I'm not sure if it's the right place to post this.
'''PPS :''' i'm sorry for my awful english grammar and my poor vocabulary ^^' --[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 22:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

:This has been suggested before, and personally I think it's a good idea (it's hard for separate sites to get enough attention). I've actually been working on setting up Mediawiki's [[wikipedia:mw:MLEB|multilingual extensions]] to work on this wiki (see [[User talk:Briess#Additional languages]] for a history of my attempts), although there are still a couple remaining issues that prevent it from being usable with our current database. :( Hopefully those issues will be sorted out eventually, though - the major ones are set to be fixed in the next official MediaWiki release, which we're planning on upgrading to once it's available. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

:: What do you think about the OpenTTD template i mentionned before ? You think it has a lack of features, or it isn't reliable enought to be used on this wiki ?--[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

:::It works, but the problem is keeping translated pages up-to-date. Basically, it gets hard to keep track of changes when the page gets modified in one language but not in another. Without looking at the page history for every language, the differences are really hard to keep track of. The Translate extension makes this a lot easier, which is the main reason we're trying to use it instead. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 15:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

:::You're right, OpenTTD is a very unbugged and stable game, with only a few new features over the years. Thank you for your answer, i'll wait for the MediaWiki update (may 2014 as announced by MediaWiki). --[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 17:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

An update:

Mediawiki 1.22.1 was released a few days ago, which fixed a major bug that was keeping the Translate extension from working. Unfortunately, I won't be able to test this for around a week or so, but hopefully I can get it working fairly soon. There are still some unfixed bugs with 1.22, so we may end up having to wait for another bugfix release to upgrade.

A thing to note is that Mediawiki updates can take considerable time on this wiki, partly due to its size. There could potentially be some downtime during the upgrade when it happens, which hopefully won't coincide with a DF release (not that we know for sure when either will happen). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi all. I think we can start translating pages right ahead if a new Namespace set is created for each language. Then, after the proper Extension is set up, it would be just a matter of properly moving the pages. --[[User:Envite|Envite]] ([[User talk:Envite|talk]]) 20:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

:I think that could work as a temporary solution, but I'm concerned about keeping track of changes (which is the main reason we want to use the extension). Also, I'm uncertain how well namespaces would work for this wiki, since we use them for versioning (and the new release would create more confusion among non-English speaking players over which content is relevant). Maybe subpages would work, but they would conflict with the extension when/if we set it up. I'm not opposed to starting translations, though - I think having content in other languages would be a good way to bring in new players and contributors. I'm just not sure how to go about it, and I haven't had much time recently to make the extension work for us. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:51, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Nothing has changed two years later... That's quite frustrating to me... There are so many non-native speakers that would be really pleased to have an help in their own native language. Plus, the french wiki has been abandonned by contributors. --[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 16:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion/Translating the wiki

2016-04-30T16:42:53Z

Darkomen:

= Translation of the Wiki ? =

Hi guys !

For a non-bilingual person, playing DF is much more challenging because of the complexity of the vocabulary ingame. Translations are pretty hard, and sometimes impossible. So giving the possibility to anyone to translate some pages could be great for the community growth.

I'm a contributor of the [http://www.dwarffortress.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Accueil french wiki] since a long time, and i'm thinking about an easy way of translating the wiki in various languages, as Spanish, french, japanese, chinese, german, russian, whatever... But i have a problem with the french wiki : it has a lack of contributors, a lack of efficient templates and an outdated content. This, in my opinion, is due to the dispersion of the french community. We have 3 main forums, and the owner of the French wiki is, by far, the less active.

Actually, i think that the easiest option to go that way is doing just like the official Wiki of the (awesome) game OpenTTD : Making a simple template that allows you to switch the language of a Page at any moment. It means that all the translated pages of the Wiki must be hosted on the domain dwarffortresswiki.org.

I'm talking about this template : http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Other_languages

I know what you'll say : what about the Bandwidth? What about stocking all this new content on the Wiki ? I think that it's not a major problem because the actual pictures of this wiki can be used in all the translation pages. No need to adapt the pictures to another language, because the game is only in english. Stocking only text shouldn't be a big problem. The second point is that if my idea works incredibly well and the number of visitors/contributors of the wiki is exploding (strong assumption), it should be easy to make a donation system for the wiki.

So IMO, the system of translation of the openttd's wiki is powerfull and brilliant.

What do you guys think about all this ?
'''PS :'''I'm not sure if it's the right place to post this.
'''PPS :''' i'm sorry for my awful english grammar and my poor vocabulary ^^' --[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 22:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

:This has been suggested before, and personally I think it's a good idea (it's hard for separate sites to get enough attention). I've actually been working on setting up Mediawiki's [[wikipedia:mw:MLEB|multilingual extensions]] to work on this wiki (see [[User talk:Briess#Additional languages]] for a history of my attempts), although there are still a couple remaining issues that prevent it from being usable with our current database. :( Hopefully those issues will be sorted out eventually, though - the major ones are set to be fixed in the next official MediaWiki release, which we're planning on upgrading to once it's available. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

:: What do you think about the OpenTTD template i mentionned before ? You think it has a lack of features, or it isn't reliable enought to be used on this wiki ?--[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

:::It works, but the problem is keeping translated pages up-to-date. Basically, it gets hard to keep track of changes when the page gets modified in one language but not in another. Without looking at the page history for every language, the differences are really hard to keep track of. The Translate extension makes this a lot easier, which is the main reason we're trying to use it instead. --[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 15:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

:::You're right, OpenTTD is a very unbugged and stable game, with only a few new features over the years. Thank you for your answer, i'll wait for the MediaWiki update (may 2014 as announced by MediaWiki). --[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 17:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

An update:

Mediawiki 1.22.1 was released a few days ago, which fixed a major bug that was keeping the Translate extension from working. Unfortunately, I won't be able to test this for around a week or so, but hopefully I can get it working fairly soon. There are still some unfixed bugs with 1.22, so we may end up having to wait for another bugfix release to upgrade.

A thing to note is that Mediawiki updates can take considerable time on this wiki, partly due to its size. There could potentially be some downtime during the upgrade when it happens, which hopefully won't coincide with a DF release (not that we know for sure when either will happen). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi all. I think we can start translating pages right ahead if a new Namespace set is created for each language. Then, after the proper Extension is set up, it would be just a matter of properly moving the pages. --[[User:Envite|Envite]] ([[User talk:Envite|talk]]) 20:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

:I think that could work as a temporary solution, but I'm concerned about keeping track of changes (which is the main reason we want to use the extension). Also, I'm uncertain how well namespaces would work for this wiki, since we use them for versioning (and the new release would create more confusion among non-English speaking players over which content is relevant). Maybe subpages would work, but they would conflict with the extension when/if we set it up. I'm not opposed to starting translations, though - I think having content in other languages would be a good way to bring in new players and contributors. I'm just not sure how to go about it, and I haven't had much time recently to make the extension work for us. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 03:51, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Nothing has changed two years later... That's quite frustrating to me... There are so many non-native speakers that would be really pleased to have an help in their own native language.--[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 16:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion/Translating the wiki

2014-01-07T17:49:44Z

Darkomen:

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion/Translating the wiki

2014-01-07T09:28:16Z

Darkomen:

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion

2014-01-06T22:45:25Z

Darkomen: /* Content */

This page is for listing various wiki-related discussions. In this sense you can get involved in any of the major initiatives on the wiki and find information on how a particular consensus was reached. If there is a discussion that you'd like to be viewed by more users feel free to list it here.

Items will be occasionally removed from this list to ensure its usability and relevance. To discuss centralized discussion itself or this article please use the [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Centralized Discussion|talk page]].

:''To view changes to the below discussions click [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Centralized_Discussion here].''

== Current Discussions ==

=== Content ===
* [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Centralized_Discussion/Translating_the_wiki|Translating the Wiki]]: To discuss the possibility of making a translation system on the Wiki

=== Administration ===

=== Article specific ===

== Old Discussions ==
:''These have all been inactive for >1 month. But feel free to comment on them if you have something to add, then move the line to current discussions above.''

=== Content ===
*[[/Feedback reporter/]]: To discuss the implementation of a new feedback reporting tool.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Centralized Discussion|Centralized Discussion]] - To discuss this page and the general concept of Centralized discussion.
*[[Masterwork talk:Community portal]] - To discuss editing guidelines specific to the new Masterwork wiki.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Spambot attacks|Spambot attacks]] - Discussion of the recent (1/29/2011) spambot attacks.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Redundancy|Redundancy]] - Articles should repeat tabled info as text.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation|Article Consolidation]] - Are there too many articles forever destined to be stubs? (Ores/Stones/Gems) that can be replaced by tables?
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Real World Information|Real World Information]] - Discussing the place of real world information in wiki articles.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Quality|Quality labels]] - Place to discuss the Quality label, as well as the process of labeling articles.
*[[Talk:Main_Page|Main Page]] - To discuss the layout of the main page, and the purpose of the main page talk for discussion.\
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Improvement_Drive|Improvement Drive]] ([[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki talk:Improvement_Drive|Talk]]) - Wiki improvement drive
*[[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki talk:Versions|Wiki Versioning process]] - Archived (as of 4/20) discussion about how to proceed with article versioning for the DF 03.31 (DF2010) upgrade. Project page describes how it was done and how articles are organized to support multiple different game versions.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal|Community Portal]] - General discussion area, also to discuss the community portal page itself.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Current events|Current events]] - '''old'''
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Announcements|Announcements]] - About the [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Announcements|Announcements]] box at the top of every page.

=== Administration ===
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Manual of Style|Manual of style (talk)]] - A general discussion about article style, including subtopics such as spelling (English/UK), the place for humor, page layout, image use, and "vanity articles".
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Deletion_Policy|Deletion Policy (talk)]] - To discuss the [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Deletion_Policy|Deletion Policy]].
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Magmawiki|Magmawiki]] - Discussion about the on-going magmawiki project, which aims to replace mediawiki for this wiki's software.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Request for Adminship|Request for Adminship]] - Discussions on granting Adminship to specific users
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Request for Adminship|Request for Adminship (talk)]] - Discussions on the Adminship-granting process
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Block policy|Block Policy]] - The not yet created policy for blocking users.

=== Article specific ===
*[[DF2012 Talk:Map legend]] — The map legend should cover what different ''background'' colors mean, not just foreground colors
*[[v0.31 Talk:How to correctly start fortress mode]]
*[[DF2012 Talk:Children]] — This page should be moved to [[DF2012:Child]] (first, that page needs to be vacated).
*[[DF2012 Talk:Bridge]] — Suggestion to remove or relocate to [[DF2012:Trap design]] a large section of the Bridge page, and replace with "See also"s.
==== Completed ====
*[[DF2012 Talk:Arena]] — This page should be moved to [[DF2012:Object testing arena]].
*[[Category talk:DF2012:Hermaphrodite]] — This category should be moved to "sexless" or "genderless".

[[Category:Wikiprojects]]

[[Category:Wikiprojects]]

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion

2014-01-06T22:44:29Z

Darkomen: /* Content */

This page is for listing various wiki-related discussions. In this sense you can get involved in any of the major initiatives on the wiki and find information on how a particular consensus was reached. If there is a discussion that you'd like to be viewed by more users feel free to list it here.

Items will be occasionally removed from this list to ensure its usability and relevance. To discuss centralized discussion itself or this article please use the [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Centralized Discussion|talk page]].

:''To view changes to the below discussions click [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Centralized_Discussion here].''

== Current Discussions ==

=== Content ===
*[[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Centralized_Discussion/Translating_the_wiki]]: To discuss the possibility of making a translation system on the Wiki

=== Administration ===

=== Article specific ===

== Old Discussions ==
:''These have all been inactive for >1 month. But feel free to comment on them if you have something to add, then move the line to current discussions above.''

=== Content ===
*[[/Feedback reporter/]]: To discuss the implementation of a new feedback reporting tool.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Centralized Discussion|Centralized Discussion]] - To discuss this page and the general concept of Centralized discussion.
*[[Masterwork talk:Community portal]] - To discuss editing guidelines specific to the new Masterwork wiki.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Spambot attacks|Spambot attacks]] - Discussion of the recent (1/29/2011) spambot attacks.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Redundancy|Redundancy]] - Articles should repeat tabled info as text.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation|Article Consolidation]] - Are there too many articles forever destined to be stubs? (Ores/Stones/Gems) that can be replaced by tables?
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Real World Information|Real World Information]] - Discussing the place of real world information in wiki articles.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Quality|Quality labels]] - Place to discuss the Quality label, as well as the process of labeling articles.
*[[Talk:Main_Page|Main Page]] - To discuss the layout of the main page, and the purpose of the main page talk for discussion.\
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Improvement_Drive|Improvement Drive]] ([[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki talk:Improvement_Drive|Talk]]) - Wiki improvement drive
*[[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki talk:Versions|Wiki Versioning process]] - Archived (as of 4/20) discussion about how to proceed with article versioning for the DF 03.31 (DF2010) upgrade. Project page describes how it was done and how articles are organized to support multiple different game versions.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal|Community Portal]] - General discussion area, also to discuss the community portal page itself.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Current events|Current events]] - '''old'''
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Announcements|Announcements]] - About the [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Announcements|Announcements]] box at the top of every page.

=== Administration ===
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Manual of Style|Manual of style (talk)]] - A general discussion about article style, including subtopics such as spelling (English/UK), the place for humor, page layout, image use, and "vanity articles".
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Deletion_Policy|Deletion Policy (talk)]] - To discuss the [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Deletion_Policy|Deletion Policy]].
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Magmawiki|Magmawiki]] - Discussion about the on-going magmawiki project, which aims to replace mediawiki for this wiki's software.
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Request for Adminship|Request for Adminship]] - Discussions on granting Adminship to specific users
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Request for Adminship|Request for Adminship (talk)]] - Discussions on the Adminship-granting process
*[[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Block policy|Block Policy]] - The not yet created policy for blocking users.

=== Article specific ===
*[[DF2012 Talk:Map legend]] — The map legend should cover what different ''background'' colors mean, not just foreground colors
*[[v0.31 Talk:How to correctly start fortress mode]]
*[[DF2012 Talk:Children]] — This page should be moved to [[DF2012:Child]] (first, that page needs to be vacated).
*[[DF2012 Talk:Bridge]] — Suggestion to remove or relocate to [[DF2012:Trap design]] a large section of the Bridge page, and replace with "See also"s.
==== Completed ====
*[[DF2012 Talk:Arena]] — This page should be moved to [[DF2012:Object testing arena]].
*[[Category talk:DF2012:Hermaphrodite]] — This category should be moved to "sexless" or "genderless".

[[Category:Wikiprojects]]

[[Category:Wikiprojects]]

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Centralized Discussion/Translating the wiki

2014-01-06T22:43:05Z

Darkomen: Created page with "= Translation of the Wiki ? = Hi guys ! For a non-bilingual person, playing DF is much more challenging because of the complexity of the vocabulary ingame. Translations are..."

Talk:Main Page

2014-01-06T22:40:43Z

Darkomen: Wrong place to discuss that.

Talk:Main Page

2014-01-06T22:10:52Z

Darkomen:

{{Archive|
# [[Talk:Main Page/archive1|Archive 1]]
# [[Talk:Main Page/archive2|Archive 2]]
# [[Talk:Main Page/archive3|Archive 3]]
}}

== Thread links on Main Page ==

Hi There - I'm relatively new to the DFwiki, and I noticed that some of the thread links on the Main Page don't work correctly. I logged in to try and edit the page, but when it wasn't an available option, I realized that it is probably restricted to administrators, given the 'please report vandalism' thing in the site announcements header.

The Team17 forums have closed, so the Team17 link is a dead one.
The SomethingAwful.com forums link is behind a login wall, so I'm not sure if you would want to remove this as well? I believe that they do occasionally rotate forums (such as Games) to be available to non-logged in users though, so it would perhaps be available intermittently.
:*<s>[http://forum.team17.com/showthread.php?t{{=}}30824 Team17 Forum Thread]</s>
:*<s>[http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid{{=}}3466523 Something Awful]</s>
:Agreed and removed. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

== Translation of the Wiki ? ==

Hi guys !

For a non-bilingual person, playing DF is much more challenging because of the complexity of the vocabulary ingame. Translations are pretty hard, and sometimes impossible. So giving the possibility to anyone to translate some pages could be great for the community growth.

I'm a contributor of the [http://www.dwarffortress.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Accueil french wiki] since a long time, and i'm thinking about an easy way of translating the wiki in various languages, as Spanish, french, japanese, chinese, german, russian, whatever... But i have a problem with the french wiki : it has a lack of contributors, a lack of efficient templates and an outdated content. This, in my opinion, is due to the dispersion of the french community. We have 3 main forums, and the owner of the French wiki is, by far, the less active.

Actually, i think that the easiest option to go that way is doing just like the official Wiki of the (awesome) game OpenTTD : Making a simple template that allows you to switch the language of a Page at any moment. It means that all the translated pages of the Wiki must be hosted on the domain dwarffortresswiki.org.

I'm talking about this template : http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Other_languages

I know what you'll say : what about the Bandwidth? What about stocking all this new content on the Wiki ? I think that it's not a major problem because the actual pictures of this wiki can be used in all the translation pages. No need to adapt the pictures to another language, because the game is only in english. Stocking only text shouldn't be a big problem. The second point is that if my idea works incredibly well and the number of visitors/contributors of the wiki is exploding (strong assumption), it should be easy to make a donation system for the wiki.

So IMO, the system of translation of the openttd's wiki is powerfull and brilliant.

What do you guys think about all this ?
'''PS :'''I'm not sure if it's the right place to post this.
'''PPS :''' i'm sorry for my awful english grammar and my poor vocabulary ^^' --[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 22:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2014-01-06T22:09:50Z

Darkomen:

{{Archive|
# [[Talk:Main Page/archive1|Archive 1]]
# [[Talk:Main Page/archive2|Archive 2]]
# [[Talk:Main Page/archive3|Archive 3]]
}}

== Thread links on Main Page ==

Hi There - I'm relatively new to the DFwiki, and I noticed that some of the thread links on the Main Page don't work correctly. I logged in to try and edit the page, but when it wasn't an available option, I realized that it is probably restricted to administrators, given the 'please report vandalism' thing in the site announcements header.

The Team17 forums have closed, so the Team17 link is a dead one.
The SomethingAwful.com forums link is behind a login wall, so I'm not sure if you would want to remove this as well? I believe that they do occasionally rotate forums (such as Games) to be available to non-logged in users though, so it would perhaps be available intermittently.
:*<s>[http://forum.team17.com/showthread.php?t{{=}}30824 Team17 Forum Thread]</s>
:*<s>[http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid{{=}}3466523 Something Awful]</s>
:Agreed and removed. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

== Translation of the Wiki ? ==

Hi guys !

For a non-bilingual person, playing DF is much more challenging because of the complexity of the vocabulary ingame. Translations are pretty hard, and sometimes impossible. So giving the possibility to anyone to translate some pages could be great for the community growth.

I'm a contributor of the [http://www.dwarffortress.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Accueil french wiki] since a long time, and i'm thinking about an easy way of translating the wiki in various languages, as Spanish, french, japanese, chinese, german, russian, whatever... But i have a problem with the french wiki : it has a lack of contributors, a lack of efficient templates and an outdated content. This, in my opinion, is due to the dispersion of the french community. We have 3 main forums, and the owner of the French wiki is, by far, the less active.

Actually, i think that the easiest option to go that way is doing just like the official Wiki of the (awesome) game OpenTTD : Making a simple template that allows you to switch the language of a Page at any moment. It means that all the translated pages of the Wiki must be hosted on the domain dwarffortresswiki.org.

I'm talking about this template : http://wiki.openttd.org/Template:Other_languages

I know what you'll say : what about the Bandwidth? What about stocking all this new content on the Wiki ? I think that it's not a major problem because the actual pictures of this wiki can be used in all the translation pages. No need to adapt the pictures to another language, because the game is only in english. Stocking only text shouldn't be a big problem. The second point is that if my idea works incredibly well and the number of visitors/contributors of the wiki is exploding (strong assumption), it should be easy to make a donation system for the wiki.

So IMO, the system of translation of the openttd's wiki is powerfull and brilliant.

What do you guys think about all this ?

'''PS :''' i'm sorry for my awful english grammar and my poor vocabulary ^^' --[[User:Darkomen|Darkomen]] ([[User talk:Darkomen|talk]]) 22:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)