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40d Talk:Magma

2008-03-23T23:19:00Z

Doctorlucky: /* Lava vs. Magma */

Are you certain that steel is a requirement for metals in contact with magma? This info conflicts with the [[Magma smelter]] article, which state that using [[Fire-safe materials]] is enough. Don't have a fort with magma yet, but could someone check which one is correct?[[User:Thexor|Thexor]] 19:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:If i disable temperature can my dwarfs swim through the magma unharmed? Will it still cause water to steam? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 22:28, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Does the type of rock around the mountainous areas hint at magma? If you check out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_rocks#Naming this article] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igneous_rock#Mineralogical_classification this site] list a bunch of common volcanic rocks: Granite, Rhyolite, Diorite, Andesite, Gabbro, Basalt, Peridotite and Komatite. Perhaps some clues as to where to find magma?
:It may be possible to find magma vents by searching for extrusive igneous rocks (such as basalt, felsite, rhyolite and andesite), but continental shelves and deep earth are just naturally made of intrusive igneous rock (such as granite, diorite and gabbro). It's generally indicative of rock that has been pushed up to the surface (or erosion has withered the rock down), and not a volcano.
::So areas with surface igneous rocks such as basalt, felsite, rhyolite and andesite have a high chance of finding a source of magma below the surface? I'd like to know if it's entirely random or if there is some order or pattern to it. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 08:38, 5 November 2007 (EST)

On a completely different topic: I keep setting up on magma vents but not actually having a magma chamber visible. I assumed one problem was the lack of a border on my plot (so somehow the volcano was actually outside my plot), but even after making it bigger there was still no magma (...but it did have a fancy cave)...This has happened the last 4 times I've tried to start on a volcano, and the world regenerating takes quite a while for ~10 named volcanoes, and then all of the livable ones don't actually have magma.--[[User:UltimaGecko|UltimaGecko]] 16:50, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:You might try using reveal.exe to see if the volcano is underground. I just built on a site with a volcano which was not visible from the surface, and used reveal to make sure I hadn't lost my mind (then I killed DF and restarted it so I wouldn't still have the map revealed) - The volcano was entirely underground, covered by layer(s) of rock. I've also added a note to the article saying that it is possible to find a volcano which is visible on the starting screen but not from the surface on-site.--[[User:SL|SL]] 21:54, 7 November 2007 (EST)
::I think this is related to the temperature of the area. I've got a map with a magma vent in the middle of a glacier. There was no surface magma, but there was a nice flat, round patch of obsidian surrounded by ice. After digging down three levels through this "cap", I hit live magma. It's actually a nice setup, as I've basically set up a small fort *in* the cap--basically my dwarves are living in the mouth of the volcano, with the basement level dedicated to magma smelters, forges, glass furnaces, etc. --[[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 04:26, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Magmapool/pipe section ==
Zara, you recently added some info about all magma pipes having cliffs over them -- this is incorrect. I've played a very large number of magma pipe maps, and very often they are completely exposed to the air. I've also removed the line about them being "as small as two z-levels!", because it needs better phrasing. I may fix it later. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 22:39, 26 February 2008 (EST)

:in the meantime I had figured that out, too. But what is the difference between a magma pipe and a volcano, then? {{unsigned|Zara}}

::As far as I know, the distinction comes down to whether it reaches the surface. If so, some would then call it a volcano rather than a magma pipe. I believe that magma pipes which reach the surface (or volcanoes, if you will) are the only ones which actually show up on the embark map, while underground magma pipes and magma pools do not (unless you use the Regional Prospector tool). --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:07, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::No, similar to Moonanibe,I've played on several maps where, on the embark screen, the magma pipe was only visible using regional prospector. However, as soon as I took a look at the place, I found the magma partly (or completely) exposed on the surface. [[User:Zara|Zara]] 01:59, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Added new section ==
I added a section regarding "Built objects vs. Magma". I think it's absolutely vital we establish what does and doesn't melt in magma, in a clean list. There are quite a few things that could be added to that list (Constructed floors for one) so please, do add to it. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 17:31, 18 February 2008 (EST)
:Have you tested the bridges? I conjecture that all buildings and constructions without mechanisms are perfectly fine with magma contact. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:37, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:: The bridges part was cut from another section of the article and moved in there. Since it was already here, I assumed it was accurate. I haven't actually checked myself. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 16:54, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:I will verify bridges one way or the other. I'm pretty sure they cant melt, though. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 21:03, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::they dont melt, as they arent actually within the magma. that was copied over from the 2d wiki and nobody removed it -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 22:29, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::: I noticed you removed the line about bridges. It seems silly not to mention them at all, so I've written up a line about them working no matter what the material and stuck it in. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 23:12, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::::yea they should definately be mentioned, wasnt thinking when i removed it completely(recovering from a bad cold and brain is still a bit foggy) -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 00:49, 20 February 2008 (EST)
Tested. Non-magmaiproof bridges -over- magma are fine. Non-magma-proof submerged in magma will melt. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:39, 21 February 2008 (EST)
: Interesting. I'll edit the article to say as much. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 15:30, 21 February 2008 (EST)

== Replenishing Magma ==

Since magma replenishes now, I've rewritten that snippet from the article. If I've missed something(a kind of magma not regenerating, though this always worked for me on several maps), feel free to correct things. --[[User:Romantic Warrior|Romantic Warrior]] 15:47, 18 February 2008 (EST).

== Temperature ==

Does magma increase the temperature of things around it? Can it be used to melt ice? --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 20:26, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:I'm not sure how the temperature calculations are done, but I CAN tell you that magma will melt nearby ice. Check out http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-153-meltingwateronglacier to see it in action. [[User:Zaranthan|Zaranthan]] 15:23, 26 January 2008 (EST)

::It should be a flow, just like the magma itself. One of the other visible results is warm stone. The same can probably be said for water and damp stone as well. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:01, 26 January 2008 (EST)

==Flow?==

I have a magma pipe (pit) in my current fortress... I breached the pipe from the lowest level because of the diagonal bug when I discovered it, and it filled some long exploratory shafts. Since then, the top magma layer is down to 5/7 and 6/7 running all over the surface. After a little while, it's easy to see that magma act curiously: instead of bouncing from wall to wall like real water physics, in my game the 5/7 (the flow) seems to all move in the same direction at the same time. The direction change often, and seem to change randomly. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:43, 26 November 2007 (EST)

There is another way to stop a flow of magma that's moving through a tunnel. You can go one z-level higher, dig to a spot above the magma-filled tunnel, then build a channel above where the magma is flowing and assign it as a Pond Zone. So long as you have buckets and a viable Water Source zone, a dwarf will come along and drop water on the magma, instantly turning it into obsidian and blocking the tunnel. --[[User:Stromko]] January 6th, 2007
: I've tried this - it rarely works. Usually you just destroy 1/7 of the magma per bucket, along with the water from the bucket, and nothing turns to obsidian. You need to hit it with larger quantities of water at once to get reliable results. --[[User:SL|SL]] 10:35, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::Actually, you have to hit it from two levels up. Just one won't do anything.--[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 17:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

==Criteria for Magma Buildings==

Is there a special condition that must be met before Magma Smelters/Forges/Furnaces and so on will appear on the build menus? I have a magma pit and some channels over it so that I can access it for magma, but I cannot build any magma-using buildings. - [[User:Confused Rat|Confused Rat]]

:Magma furnaces and forges need a hole somewhere on the ground where they are built. This is to allow the furnace/forge to take the heat from the magma as they are used. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 19:43, 25 January 2008 (EST)
:What he means is that the magma furnaces don't even appear in the build menu. This is because you haven't discovered magma through natural means. The only way this can happen is if you used reveal to find the magma. You'll have to use the [[Utilities#Enable_Magma_Buildings|Enable Magma Buildings]] utility to make them appear. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 20:03, 25 January 2008 (EST)

== Infinity Generators? ==

Because magma is currently a finite resource, would it be a good idea to add how to make an infinity generator as workarround untill Toady gives us some more of the stuff?<small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Highlord Asehujiko|Highlord Asehujiko]] ([[User talk:Highlord Asehujiko|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Highlord Asehujiko|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
:Not on the main article as it would easily be considered cheating. In here, or the [[cheating]] article itself would be fine, the latter probably more appropriate as it could be applied to water as well for those scorching maps. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:16, 27 January 2008 (EST)

== Lava vs. Magma ==

I hadn't noticed it until just now, but both Lava and Magma occur in the game. I haven't seen this fact referenced in the wiki. Magma is a fluid which occurs in Magma Pipes, and in areas directly connected to Magma Pipes. Lava appears to occur in disconnected areas. I'm not sure what happens if you reconnect. If you use {{k|k}} to view a square, you'll see either Magma or Lava depths given. I'm not clear on what difference there is between the two fluids. --[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:58, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:There is none, just the name. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:30, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

::both in df, and irl, molten rock in open air is called lava, while subterranean is called magma -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 15:40, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

::: Ah, so magma which is ''Outside'' is lava. Cool. I guess my disjoint areas are all also outside :) I suppose we ought to mention this somewhere on the page? --[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 19:19, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Magma

2008-03-23T06:58:40Z

Doctorlucky:

40d Talk:Evaporation

2008-03-23T06:51:12Z

Doctorlucky:

Some questions: If you have a fort in a cold climate, will water never evaporate (i.e., no hot season=no evaporation)? Will outdoor lakes and ponds refill over time with rainwater? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 10:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:I personally have yet to find a map with both rain and a hot season. My first fort had a hot season and it lost all its lakes (depth 7) in a single season, while all the rest of my forts so far have had neither hot seasons, nor rain. I can say that "murky pools" will not refill durring winter when things freeze.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 10:37, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Magma also appears to evaporate if at depth 1. It leaves no residue. --[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:51, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Eerie glowing pit

2008-03-20T07:36:42Z

Doctorlucky:

{{spoiler}}

== The Demons ==
How powerful ARE the demons now? I gather that a pit chamber will release piles of them, but how many and how nasty are they all? Wonder if adamantine is really worth it... though if you've planned it out, I suppose it might be. Wonder how many demons a legendary dwarf warrior wielding masterwork adamantine weapons and armor could take out by himself!

: They're as nasty as they used to be. -- [[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]] 11:38, 20 November 2007 (EST)

: I had repulsed the initial wave of 1 Daemon and 7 Spirits of Fire by 5 marksdwarves and 4 axedwarves. 2 marksdwarves and 2 axedwarves were Elite in full steel chain/plate, others - on their way to it. Lost all axedwarves and 1 marksdwarf in the process. A few seasons later I thought that there weren't much more daemons and breached the pits in a new spot. By that time I had 3 Champion marksdwarves in Fortress Guard (not controllable at all :( ), ~20 wardogs, 4 other marksdwarves, 2 of which - Elite and 4 axedwarves/hammerdwarves at about 'competent' each. All the civilians (90 of them) were drafted into military with some extra weapons and no armor including ~10 miners from Legendary to novice with picks. The aftermath in the units screen is 16 dead Spirits of Fire including 7 from the initial attack, 10 live and happy Spirits of Fire with '''very''' long names, probably some more Spirits of Fire in ambush/invisible to me state and 5 recruits resting and dehydratated in remote corners of my bedroom area. There were immence lags when my stockpiles cathed fire and it were heavily lagging when I got there in adventure mode. --[[User:Another|Another]] 15:05, 20 November 2007 (EST)

: I just recently breached a pit, only to result in my entire fortress virtually being annihilated, 109 military dwarves were killed, including a Hammerlord with a legendary adamantine hammer, a mortally wounded Legendary Captain of the Guard, and the daemons lost only 50 total. --[[User:Naze|Naze]] 23:19, 12 December 2007

: I cleansed a demon pit that included exactly 30 fire spirits and a demon. I built a corridor to the chamber, filled it with spikes and chained them to a lever, with the pull lever/R action. It worked quite well despite the fact that my spikes were melt by the demons as they approached. They eventually had to go through a corridor where marksdwarves were stationned. They killed 5 marksdwarves, and some managed to enter my fortress undetected. I was VERY lucky because the fortress guard was useful! If you disable TEMPERATURE, they will be destroyed with no sweat. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 09:01, 11 January 2008 (EST)

: If you re-site your barracks to just outside the pits, then your fortress guard will find themselves joining the front line... [[User:YayTheDwarves|YayTheDwarves]] 09:58, 11 January 2008 (EST)

== Magma mini-pipes/vents? ==
Are the magma bits considered unconnected, and thus will cool to obsidian, or are they in effect pipes/vents and will refill via the new code? --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 23:29, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:there is no such thing as disconnected magma solidifying. that was added for some reason by someone to the wiki a long time ago but is incorrect. magma that is not connected anything will stay magma forever. the only way to turn it into obsidian is by adding water -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 05:15, 27 February 2008 (EST)
::Although, to be fair, depth 1 magma will cool to, um... air or something. At any rate, if you let it get to depth 1 it evaporates, much like water. Except more frustrating, because it's very slow to begin with.--[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 03:36, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

== Rewalling/Flooring ==
If you floor over the glowing pit rather as opposed to rewalling do the demons still spawn? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 18:18, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

:No, reflooring still can release demons. Tested the hard way. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:31, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

:Additionally, building walls over every glowing pit tile still releases demons. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 00:18, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Water

2008-03-19T20:45:32Z

Doctorlucky:

I dug into a Murky pool, all 7's, drained out 8 squares of 7's into my reservoir to irrigate my farm, then closed the floodgate up. The murky pool was mixed 6's and 7's. After winter, it froze over, and in Spring melted back into all 7's again. Apparently they can refill themselves. It did snow on top of the pool. Perhaps the snow melted and got it wet? --[[User:Tracker|Tracker]] 20:36, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, if there's any water in the pool then they will freeze into ice walls. When the ice wall melts, it will always melt to depth 7, irrespective of how much water the ice was originally formed from. It is unaffected by snowfall, so if your murky pool ever completely dries out, it will never refill, even if you get lots of rain or snow. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

Do fish really flop around after you drain a pool? This didn't happen for me. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:08, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anyone know what the water output of a brook is? As in, does it fill a 1-width channel any faster or slower than a river?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:29, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Has anyone else seen stagnant water spontaneously appear beside a still? I had it happen twice, I swear that the still is leaking. --[[User:Krenn|Krenn]] 02:58, 14 November 2007 (EST)
:Likely, a dwarf for some reason dumped out a bucket or waterskin nearby. It tends to happen when you get job cancellations while filling a well or taking water to a prisoner or injured dwarf.--[[User:Knivesu|Knivesu]] 06:58, 3 December 2007 (EST)

== Evaporation ==

I notice that evaporation isn't covered here or in [[Magma]], and I think it might be a useful topic. My observation is that depth 1 fluids can evaporate if left alone. This means that you can get rid of arbitrary amounts of fluid simply by spreading it out enough, or by using a multiple-floodgate lock system to meter measured quantities of fluid out over a chamber floor. In my experience, evaporated water leaves behind mud, whereas evaporated magma leaves behind nothing. --[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:45, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
== Bend bugs ==

Should we add a section about the u-bend bug?

I've just managed to make a V-bend that can absorb infinite water as well as the U-bend that creates it. Basically I used ramps to create a dip in a pipe trying to make a u-bend, and when I poured a full murky pool into it I ended up with only the bottom three squares full of water. I then got a real u-bend going from another pond and as much as it poured into a pool the v-bend absorbed it all.

Can anyone reproduce? <small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] ([[User talk:Ikkonoishi|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ikkonoishi|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>

The u-bend is notorious, but never heard or ran into a "v-bend" before.
A (side) diagram of your v-bend would be helpful in reproducing.
As for pages, I'd say no, since they shouldn't end up being around a long time, but who knows. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 18:13, 1 February 2008 (EST)
: I was going to do one but couldn't figure out how to make the ramps. I'll just use \.

Water went in. --> ~.~########
~.~.~### <--- No water out
####\~# /##
#####\~/###
###########

Even when I brought infinite water from a normal u-bend two levels above it it would not flow through to fill the pond again until I capped the holes. Using periods to break up the ~ so I don't have to use nowiki tags. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 18:58, 1 February 2008 (EST)

The map http://mkv25.net/dfma/poi-3138-emptypool --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 19:02, 1 February 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Tower-cap

2007-11-28T23:47:38Z

Doctorlucky:

this is hard to do? my girlfriend has several ponds just inside the ground of her diggings in various locations...
:Luck dependent. Not reliable.
Regarding the three-year thing: I dug a couple of tree farm chambers (each 21x21) on the bottom level of my fort. It took about 8 months to set up the irrigation system, after which I flooded most of each chamber. One year later, I have my first mature tower-cap; there are about 50 more juvenile tower-caps, so we'll see how much of an outlier this is. But three years is almost certainly wrong; it was solid rock 20 months ago. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Strange mood

2007-11-27T09:56:50Z

Doctorlucky:

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'''Help! A crazy dwarf is in my metal shop and I need to make giant axe blades to fend off the [[Undead|skeletal]] [[carp]]s!'''

Periodically, individual dwarves in your fortress will be struck with an idea for a [[legendary artifact]] and enter a '''strange mood'''. Dwarves which enter a strange mood will stop whatever they are doing and pursue the construction of this artifact single-mindedly. They will not stop to eat, drink, sleep, or even run away from dangerous creatures. If they do not manage to begin construction of the artifact within three months or so, they will go [[Strange Mood#Failure|insane]] and die soon afterward.

However, if a dwarf does manage to create an artifact, he or she will gain one [[legendary]] [[skill]] (with one exception: "possessed" dwarves will create an artifact but gain no skill from it).

== Strange-mood behavior ==

When a dwarf is struck by a strange mood, the game will automatically center the map on the moody dwarf, pause, and alert you to his or her particular mood. While in a mood, a dwarf will display a blinking exclamation point (see [[status icons]]).

=== Workshops ===

After entering a mood, a dwarf will stop whatever he or she is doing, head to a [[workshop]], and "claim" it, kicking out any other dwarf who may be using it. The workshop a dwarf takes over will usually depend upon the dwarf's highest "trade" [[skill]]: a Bone Carver, for instance, will generally take over a [[craftsdwarf's workshop]]; a Jeweler will take over a [[jeweler's workshop]]; a Mechanic will take over a [[mechanic's workshop]]; and a Metalsmith will take over a [[forge]].

Most farming-, fishing-, trapping-, and combat-related skills (grower, thresher, brewer, fish cleaner, animal trainer, axedwarf, etc.) do not count as "trade" skills (although Tanners can enter strange moods, and will take over a [[tanner's shop]]).

Active [[soldiers]] can enter a strange mood if they have any trade skills from before they were conscripted. A soldier will be removed from his or her [[squad]] during the course of a mood and returned to it upon successful completion of an artifact. If a soldier has gained a legendary skill, you may wish to make use of it by removing that dwarf from the military.

If the right workshop is not available, a moody dwarf will stand idle instead (in their bedroom, outside the fort, in a [[sculpture garden]] or [[meeting hall]], etc.) waiting for you to construct the right workshop. You can usually tell which workshop a moody dwarf wants by {{key|v}}iewing their skills; their highest trade skill will dictate which workshop you should build for them.

Moody Glassmakers will require a [[glass furnace]] instead of a workshop, but Furnace Operators will require a [[forge]]. If your miners have reached the [[magma flow]], any dwarf requiring a forge will insist on a [[magma forge]], and will ignore any existing charcoal-powered forges.{{verify}} Glassmakers will use either a charcoal- or a magma-fuelled glass furnace.{{verify}}

Moody dwarves will occasionally seize a random workshop and proceed to create their artifact there. Following completion of the artifact, this workshop will often be converted into the type originally desired by the dwarf.{{verify}}

=== Skills ===

If a dwarf manages to successfully complete an artifact, the dwarf's highest trade skill will be elevated to "legendary". More specifically, 20,000 [[experience]] will be added to that skill. This will also give the dwarf several [[attribute]] boosts. ("Possessed" dwarves, however, gain no experience.)

This fact can be utilized to maximize the possibility of getting dwarf with a legendary skill you want: where possible, make sure each dwarf's highest trade skill is one of the kinds you want. Have all your peasants, growers, soldiers (you will have to temporarily deactivate them from the military), and other dwarves without trade skills do a tiny bit of work in the skill(s) you most want (Armorsmith is possibly the most-desired legendary skill); if a "dabbling" trade skill is the highest they have, that is the skill that will be used.

The type of artifact created will also depend on the dwarf's highest trade skill. Masons will always create some kind of [[stone]] object; Bone Carvers, a [[bone]] or [[shell]] object; Carpenters, a [[wood]] object, etc.

For the purposes of strange moods, [[mining]] and [[engraving]] are considered trade skills: moody miners and engravers will usually take over a craftsdwarf's or mason's workshop, turn out a stone craft or piece of furniture, and gain legendary skill as miners or engravers respectively (not as stone crafters or masons). Furnace operators will turn out a metal craft or piece of furniture and become legendary furnace operators. Weavers will take over a [[clothes maker's shop]] and produce an article of clothing.

Dwarves with no trade skills whatsoever (including [[children]], sometimes) can go into strange moods. Such dwarves generally gain one of the crafting skills (wood crafter, bone carver, etc.).

=== Materials ===

In addition to requiring a specific workshop, dwarves will also demand specific raw [[material]]s in order to complete their artifact. Each artifact will require between one and ten items to complete.{{verify}}

After claiming a workshop, a moody dwarf will set about collecting these materials. If the supplies are not at hand, the dwarf will sit in the workshop until the items become available, or go insane if they do not become available before long.

Jewelers will usually only require one item: a rough [[gem]], which they will fashion into a "perfect" gem. Metalsmiths will usually use [[ore]] (not [[metal bars]]).{{verify}}

Glassmakers will always require at least one piece of raw glass, usually clear. Since they will usually take over your glass furnace, you will either have to build another glass furnace or make sure you have the right types of raw glass ahead of time. The steps involved in glass production are fairly time-consuming: you must first collect sand, which requires an empty [[bag]] and an "Item [[hauling|Haul]]er" who is not busy hauling finished goods, then haul the sand to the furnace and melt it into glass. Clear glass is even more time consuming (the above steps plus: make [[potash]] out of [[wood]], bake it into [[pearlash]] in a [[kiln]], haul it to the furnace). It is therefore recommended you make several pieces of raw glass of each type as early as you can, reserved for use by moody dwarves. Furthermore, any dwarf may require raw glass, not just glassmakers. ''Why is this here? Make a seperate article about glassmaking. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:19, 6 November 2007 (EST)''

The first object grabbed by the dwarf will be the "primary" substance; all other materials will be used to decorate the artifact. If a dwarf grabs onyx and makes a bed, for instance, it will be an "onyx bed". In addition to the primary substance, many other materials will often be used to construct an artifact. An artifact can potentially be composed of bone, cloth, gems, leather, metal, shell, stone, and wood all at once.{{verify}}

==== Demands ====

While a moody dwarf is in a workshop, you can get an idea of what materials he or she wants by pressing {{k|q}} and moving the cursor over the workshop. (If the dwarf is busy fetching objects instead of "waiting" for unavailable materials, you can still see this display by catching the dwarf in the workshop just as he or she is dropping off an object.)

The message will change every few seconds if the dwarf demands several different items. The dwarf will list all the materials he or she demands even if most of them have already been fetched. If a demand lasts longer than about 2 seconds, that means multiple items of that type will be required. Sometimes a dwarf will also mutter an unfamiliar word, such as "Kerging". This word is the name of the artifact he or she intends to create.

Moody dwarves collect their items in a fixed sequence, so if they have already collected at least one item (it will be lying in the workshop, viewable under the {{k|t}} menu), you can see what item in the sequence they will need next to continue.

Things dwarves demand include:

* [[Bones]] - "bones... yes", "pictures of skeletons"
* [[Cloth]] (not thread) - "cloth... thread", "pictures of stacked cloth"
* Cut [[gem]]s - "gems... shining", "gems". ''These must be ordinary cut gems, not "large" gems.''
* [[Leather]] - "leather... skin", "pictures of stacked leather"
* Metal [[ore]] - "ore... particular ore", "picture of an ore mine", "the correct ore"
* Metal [[bar]]s - "shining bars... metal", "shining bars of metal"
* Rough [[gem]]s - "rough... color". ''Sometimes when they request rough gems they are looking for a specific type of raw [[glass]].''
* Raw crystal [[glass]] - "rough gems and glass" (I think this is right. I have raw types of both green and clear glass, but not crystal glass)
* Raw clear [[glass]] - "raw... clear", "glass with burning wood"
* [[Shell]] - "a shell"
* [[Stone]] - "stone... rock", "pictures of a quarry", "the right stone"
* Stone [[block]]s - "blocks... bricks", "the proper surface to work on", "square blocks"
* [[Wood]] - "tree... life", "pictures of a forest", "a tree"
* Dwarven bones/[[refuse|remains]] - "things... certain things". ''This demand is only seen during "Macabre" moods.''

Sometimes the required item(s) will be very specific (for instance, rough [[emerald]]s); other times, very general (leather from any type of creature). Sometimes when dwarves are waiting for a specific material, it will be listed in the dwarf's [[thought|thoughts and preferences]]. For instance, a dwarf that "likes platinum" will sometimes use one or more platinum nuggets in the construction of an artifact. This is not always the case, however, and they may want a completely unrelated item.{{verify}}

Once the dwarf has assembled all the materials he or she needs, the game will announce that the dwarf "has begun a mysterious construction!". The artifact should be completed within a day or two.

Dwarves which have created an artifact will hold on to it for a very long time (or the loss of the limb in which it is held{{verify}}) after which one of three events can occur.
* The dwarf can become [[obsessed]] with the item and will keep hold of it until death.{{verify}}
* Become nervous and hide the artifact.{{verify}}
* Become uneasy and drop the artifact wherever he currently stands.{{verify}}

If it is a heavy object (such as a floodgate), it will [[speed|slow]] them substantially unless they have several levels of [[strength]]. This is a bigger problem with a possessed dwarf, as the legendary status resulting from other moods will provide a good [[attributes|attribute]] boost.

=== Failure ===

If you can't provide all the required items within a couple of months, the dwarf will go insane and cancel the artifact. This insanity can take several forms:

* Become melancholy. The dwarf will either refuse to eat or drink until dead, or drown themselves at some point. They may also hurl themselves into the [[river]], [[chasm]], or [[magma]] immediately.{{verify}}
* Become a babbling wreck. A dwarf experiencing this will drop all the items he or she is wearing, one by one, and eventually starve to death.
* Go on a murderous rampage.

The first two outcomes are harmless (except to the moody dwarf, who will die), but you may want to station a squad nearby or assign a few war dogs to the dwarf on the chance that they will lash out. If you build your workshops inside enclosed rooms (with doors), you can also lock the moody dwarf in the room until he or she starves.

Anything that would cause the dwarf to cancel the strange mood job (like being attacked or having the workshop destroyed) will cause insanity. Note that the insanity can happen even when the dwarf is not deadlocked on an item; there have been observed instances where a dwarf goes insane while in the process of carrying a required item back to the commandeered workshop.

== Types of strange moods ==

The first message in the following sections is how the mood is [[announcements|announced]]; the second message appears in the dwarf's profile when he or she is ['''v''']iewed. All dwarves in a strange mood will have "Strange Mood" listed as their active task.

=== Fey ===

* ''Taken by a fey mood!''
* ''Has the aspect of one fey!''

This is the basic strange mood. Fey dwarves will clearly state their demands when the workshop they are in is examined.

=== Secretive ===

* ''Withdraws from society...''
* ''Peculiarly secretive...''

Secretive moods are the same as fey moods, except instead of loudly proclaiming his demands, a secretive dwarf will sketch his or her ideas.

=== Possessed ===

* ''Has been possessed!''
* ''Possessed by unknown forces!''

Possessed dwarves behave the same as fey dwarves, but will not gain any skill once the artifact is complete. Their thoughts are also cryptic, but are harder to understand than dwarves who withdraw from society.

=== Fell ===

* ''Looses a roaring laughter, fell and terrible!''
* ''Has a horrible fell look!''

A dwarf that goes into a fell mood will take over a [[butcher's shop]] or a [[tanner's shop]] instead of one of the craft shops. The dwarf will then ''murder'' the nearest dwarf, drag the corpse into the shop and make some sort of object out of dwarf [[leather]] or [[bone]]. Once the artifact is completed, the fell dwarf will become a legendary Bone Carver or Leatherworker. Strangely, none of the other dwarves seem to mind the murder.

Aside from the potential loss of an important dwarf in the wrong place at the wrong time, there doesn't seem to be any downside to a fell mood. The end result is always an artifact and a legendary craftsdwarf. Since the only ingredient used (a dwarf) is available in abundance, a fell mood will only "fail" if a hermit has a horrible fell look or if the proper workshop does not exist.

=== Macabre ===

* ''Begins to stalk and brood...''
* ''Brooding darkly...''

Like a fell mood, above, but the dwarf will not murder a fellow dwarf. A macabre dwarf may require dwarf bones, skulls, and chunks/remains; if you do not happen to have any, you will have to "make" some, or let the moody dwarf go insane.

Fell and Macabre moods will only happen to dwarves which are [[Thoughts|unhappy]] at the time of entering a mood.

== Multiple Moods ==

Toady stated on [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000567 this] thread in the forum that two moods at once is a bug. Therefore, it is safe to assume that it is usually impossible to get more than one mood at once. Also, on the buglists: 000317 □ [dwarf mode][moods] two mood dwarves at once

== Unresolved questions ==

* ''Does a larger number of dwarves in a fortress increase the chance of strange moods?''
** A fortress with a very small number of dwarves (1-3) can go many years without seeing any strange moods, so it would seem so.
* ''Can the same dwarf go into a strange mood more than once?''
** Presumably, they cannot.
* ''Can an already legendary dwarf go into a strange mood?''
** A Legendary dwarf that hasn't acquired legendary status via creating an artifact ''can'' go into a strange mood.
* ''How many strange moods can occur in a single fortress?''
** Apparently, an unlimited number. Previously, the moods were thought to cease after the 15th successful artifact, but this has been disproven.
[[Category:Dwarves]]
[[Category:Thoughts]]

40d Talk:Strange mood

2007-11-27T09:54:48Z

Doctorlucky:

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]
::I had a dwarf that wanted some stones, metal bars ,leather and "raw...green", 'rough...color", and "rough[or was it raw?]...crystal" at the same time - he hauled everything(stones, bars, leather, green glass, a generic uncut gem) to his workshop exсept for the last thing. Too bad I'm not even sure that rock crystals exist in this version not to mention my specific location.--[[User:Another|Another]] 05:17, 12 November 2007 (EST)
:::Just verifying, rock crystal exists! Found a tiny pocket of them in some diorite.--[[User:Trukkle|Trukkle]] 14:47, 16 November 2007 (EST)

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Glass

2007-11-22T08:24:55Z

Doctorlucky:

Glass is an interesting material with widespread uses. Glass is manufactured in a [[Glass furnace]] or [[Magma glass furnace]]. There are three types of glass: Green, Clear and Crystal.

Green glass is manufactured from [[sand]]. Clear glass uses both sand and [[pearlash]], while crystal glass is manufactured from [[Rock crystal]]s and pearlash.

Sand can be gathered in bags using a task available at a glass furnace. You must designate a sand-gathering zone in order for this task to succeed.

==Products==
Glass can be manufactured into a wide variety of products:

*Raw glass is essentially a low-value [[gem]], a frequent request of dwarves undergoing a [[strange mood]]. Given its abundance, raw green glass makes an excellent training material for practicing the [[gem cutting]] skill.
*Glass can be formed into [[block]]s which can then be used for most building purposes. Although this is much more labor-intensive than simple using raw or block stone, some people feel that it has an aesthetic appeal; for example, see Leerok the Lacerta's [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001365 Glass tower]
*Glass can be used to manufacture a number of [[furniture]] items, including [[armor stand]]s, [[chest|boxes]], [[floodgate]]s, [[hatch cover]]s, [[grate]]s, [[door|portals]], [[statue]]s, [[table]]s, [[throne]]s and [[weapon rack]]s.
*In addition, Glass can be converted into [[Trap]] components, such as [[large, spiked ball]]s or [[giant axe]]s. Unlike their metal counterparts, glass trap mechanisms each utilize only single units of their component materials. For example, a giant green glass axe blade requires only a bag of sand in order to manufacture. Since sand, if present on the map, if effectively an infinite resource, this is a very cheap way to fully outfit a fortress with weapon traps.
*Glass windows can be made at a [[glass furnace]] as an alternative to making windows from gems.
*Outside of [[Metal]] and [[Wood]], Glass is the only readily available material for [[Cage]] construction. A glass cage is called a terrarium, and is unique among cages in that it may be converted into an [[aquarium]] using the an option in the building tasks/prefs menu{{key|q}}{{key|w}}. Terraria may not be used for justice applications.
*Glass [[vial]]s are used in some types of plant processing, and are required to build an [[Alchemist's laboratory]]
*Glass can be formed into a variety of crafts.

Glass items often have unique names:
*A glass [[chest]] is called a box.
*A glass [[door]] is called a portal.
*A glass [[pipe]] is called a tube.
*A glass [[cage]] is called a terrarium.

==Properties==
Green glass has a material value of 2.
Clear glass has a material value of 5.
Crystal glass has a material value of 10.

The damage value of green glass is suspected to be 50%. {{verify}}

[[Category:Materials]]

40d Talk:Glass

2007-11-22T06:46:14Z

Doctorlucky: New page: With v 33b, I have successfully made trap components without difficulty, so I've deleted the reference to bars being required. This raises the issue, however, of what damage rating the va...

With v 33b, I have successfully made trap components without difficulty, so I've deleted the reference to bars being required. This raises the issue, however, of what damage rating the various sorts of glass get. As far as I can tell, glass doesn't appear in the mat glosses, so I'm not sure how to determine what the actual value is. Anyone have a suggestion? [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 01:46, 22 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Glass

2007-11-22T06:43:26Z

Doctorlucky:

Glass can be used as [[gem]], or as (a rather odd looking) stone for most buildings, such as [[table]]s or [[door]]s. In addition, Glass can be converted into [[Trap]] components, such as [[large, spiked ball]]s or [[giant axe]]s.

Glass windows can be made at a [[glass furnace]] as an alternative to making windows from gems.

Outside of [[Metal]] and [[Wood]], Glass is the only readily available material to create [[Cages]] out of, as well.
[[Category:Materials]]

40d Talk:Trading/Talk Caravan

2007-11-22T03:46:53Z

Doctorlucky:

====Insane merchants?====
I have a trade depot at -3 (fully accessible). I've just had a dwarven caravan arrive, and I did some good trading. Then the merchants said goodbye... and just stood there. Then they went insane.

How do I prevent this happening again? Because this lot are starting to putrify...[[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 17:23, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Damned if I know. I now make a habit of locking up the outpost liaison because he's gone insane, often berserk, in every game I've played.
Ever. [[User:PandaKnight|PandaKnight]] 02:45, 17 November 2007 (EST)
====Caravan roads ====
Does the presence or absense of a road affect where the human caravan appears? I cleared a nice path for it that it ignored when it appeared on the other side of the map... if I had built a road too, would that have forced it to appear on the road? Or will I eventually need roads in all directions? --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:04, 7 November 2007 (EST)
:In v33a, no caravans need roads. However, I think the human caravan needs a smoothed, 3-wide path to a map edge - but I'm not certain about this.
:It's probably worth mentioning that roads might speed up a caravan - reducing the chance that they leave before they've unpacked.[[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 15:31, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:(Sorry, to answer your question, I don't think you can influence where the caravan appears. I know that both the Elven and Dwarven caravans have ignored my roads when choosing their starting position.)[[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 15:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:On a relatively flat and moderately forested map I recently played, each civ seemed to have a preferred side of the map to enter, but were relatively random about where on the edge they appeared. I built a straight, smoothed road to each edge that went largely unused. The human wagons are happy to go up and down slopes and cross quite rough (but unobstructed) ground to reach me. A smooth road would almost certainly speed their arrival and departure. As an aside, the goblin civ in my current map has been quite happy to start sieges from several different sides, so take the directionality with a grain of salt. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:33, 16 November 2007 (EST)

====Bugged Human Caravans====
I've had a crash bug associated with the arrival of the human caravan. Interestingly, when I raised my drawbridges, limiting access to my depot to a torturous 1-wide path, the caravan arrived OK with the message along the lines of "the wagons have bypassed this stop." I only got the mule-back traders, but no crash. This repeated the next year. I'm guessing this relates to Toady's comments about a seed pricing bug. It's possible that it's a pathing issue with the wagons, of course. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:33, 16 November 2007 (EST)
:Since upgrading to 33b, I have not seen this bug. Hooray! [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 22:46, 21 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Quality

2007-11-22T03:41:59Z

Doctorlucky:

All items in the game have a [[item value|base value]], which is multiplied by what [[material value|material]] the item is made of and by the item's '''quality'''. [[Decorations]] (such as bone, gems, and studding) further increase the value.

Item quality can have an effect on an item's properties, especially [[armor]] and [[weapons]].

__TOC__
== Quality grades ==

All crafted items ([[furniture]], [[armor]], [[bolts]], etc.) – but not intermediate materials ([[bars]], [[blocks]], etc. except [[cloth]], which does have quality levels) – are bracketed by characters that show the quality of their craftsdwarfship. Dyeing also has a quality level, as does Decorating/Encrusting (with gems, leathers, cloth, etc). Prepared foods have quality levels. Alcohol has a hidden quality that controls the amount of happiness a dwarf gets from drinking it. It is not known whether or not masterful alcohol can cause tantrums.

{|
! style="padding-right: 35px;" | '''Designation''' || style="text-align: left;" | '''Description''' || style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 15px; text-align: center;" | '''Value <br>Modifier''' || style="text-align: center;" | ''' Damage / To-Hit /<br>Armor Modifier'''
|-
|  Item Name || style="text-align: center;" | —     || style="text-align: center;" | ×1  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.0 
|-
| -Item Name- || Well-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×2  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.2 
|-
| +Item Name+ || Finely-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×3  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.4 
|-
| *Item Name* || Superior quality || style="text-align: center;" | ×4  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.6 
|-
| ≡Item Name≡ || Exceptional || style="text-align: center;" | ×5  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.8 
|-
| ☼Item Name☼ || Masterful || style="text-align: center;" | ×12  || style="text-align: center;" | ×2.0 
|}

When a masterful quality item is created, the game will announce, "<dwarf> has created a masterpiece!" Such a masterpiece will cause the dwarf that created it to [[tantrum]] for a year if it is ever lost or destroyed. Masterpiece meals can be eaten safely, although allowing the food to rot will cause a tantrum. Using up masterpiece bolts will not cause a tantrum either; nor does trading them away to merchants. Since legendary dwarves are most likely to be the ones creating masterpieces, keeping these creations safe should be high priority; tantruming legendary dwarves can be very difficult to subdue.

[[Artifact]] items have a unique name instead of bracketing symbols and are worth 120x base value. They have a higher combat modifier than Masterful items, although the specific modifier is unknown.
[[Category:Items]]

40d:Magma-safe

2007-11-22T02:10:37Z

Doctorlucky:

Currently, magma-safe materials are known to include [[iron]], [[steel]], [[bauxite]], and [[adamantine]], but currently it is difficult to control magma flow with floodgates since mechanisms must be made out of [[Rock|rocks]], most of which are non-magma-safe materials (Bauxite being a notable exception). [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=001614]

Mechanisms made from raw adamantine are magma-safe, and will properly operate a magma-safe floodgate in a magma channel. The mechanism on the trigger need not be magma-safe, only the one on the floodgate. While raw adamantine is both rare and valuable, it appears to currently be less rare than bauxite. In order to construct mechanisms from raw adamantine, you must first allow its use for non-economic purposes in the stock screen ({{key|z}} and select 'stone'). You might wish to remove other stone-using jobs while adamantine is available for use.

== Calculations ==

According to the raw data files, magma's temperature is somewhere between 1300°C and 1400°C, which translates to 2300°F–2500°F .

Materials that resist magma are:

Metal:
* Nickel — 2600°F (1427°C) {{verify}}
* Nickel silver — 2600°F (1427°C) {{verify}}
* Iron — 2680°F (1471°C)
* Steel — 2710°F (1488°C)
* Platinum — 3000°F (1649°C)
* Adamantine — 15000°F (8315°C)

Stone:
* Bauxite — 3600°F (1982°C)
* Raw adamantine — 15000°F (8315°C)

40d Talk:Magma-safe

2007-11-22T02:00:49Z

Doctorlucky:

How much of this has been verified? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 06:16, 20 November 2007 (EST)
:I think it's all based on inference from raw files. I have been meaning to test bauxite or get someone else to do it, but haven't run into any or been very convincing [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:22, 20 November 2007 (EST)

::I haven't run into any Bauxite either, and I was on hunt for it. After starting fortresses on 20+ map squares with Sediment layers, revealing it then exporting images of the layers to analyze...I haven't seen a single Bauxite deposit. Makes me wonder if it's a bug, or if I'm that unlucky. My theory is that Bauxite mechanisms won't melt under magma. --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 12:53, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:::I had the same idea :) [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:40, 20 November 2007 (EST)

::::Man I hope it's true. Bump that number up to 35 regions with Sediment layers and no Bauxite. Beginning to think it's a bug. --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 04:29, 21 November 2007 (EST)

:::::Isn't the easiest way to test this either to make some critter drop bauxite, or mod a stone you have to being the same temperature rating and see if that survives. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:51, 21 November 2007 (EST)

::::::Is it possible to order bauxite mechanisms from the caravan? --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 11:44, 21 November 2007 (EST)

::::::: Actually, the easiest way was for me to edit the raw and put bauxite in every layer in the game. Fired up the game, created a new world, found a magma vent and bam I was in business. The verdict? It's magma-safe. Both Bauxite floodgates and bauxite mechanisms resist the magma, and the bauxite rocks that I left on the floor were unharmed by the magma flow. Bauxite: confirmed. With the iron and steel confirmation, I would believe that anything given the melting point stat above magma's temperature is magma safe. Now, if we can just get Toady to make magma replenish, we could make some amazing magma traps with machines made of iron/steel and bauxite! --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 15:01, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Iron is definitly magma safe. I've repeatedly flooded goblins with magma, and only their iron equipment remained. Iron floodgates are not destroyed from magma either ( although their mechanisms are. ) Iron screw pumps can pump magma with no problem. IRON IS A OK.--[[User:GauHelldragon|GauHelldragon]] 05:21, 21 November 2007 (EST)
:But you can't make mechanisms out of it, which is what we're trying to do. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 16:14, 21 November 2007 (EST)

::There's still the question of whether you can make a magma forge/furnace using a platinum bar (I doubt it).--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:11, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Raw adamantine is magma-safe. I know we all ''knew'' that, but I've tested it. In particular, I built mechanisms out of raw adamantine and tested them on a raw adamantine floodgate. All the loose stone has since melted, but the gate continues to open and close just fine. And while raw adamantine is rare and valuable, at least it's less rare than bauxite.... [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 21:00, 21 November 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Dungeon master

2007-11-20T06:56:16Z

Doctorlucky:

Anyone know what triggers the dungeon master now? I have absolutely NO coins whatsoever and he just showed up at the start of my 4th spring. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 11:54, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Is there a point to the image? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:38, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:I think it's there to show what skills the Dungeon Master starts with. Putting the same in plain text would work better, methinks. --[[User:Zirik|Zirik]] 03:08, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::My oppinion also. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 00:45, 10 November 2007 (EST)

He showed up here in summer 1055 with the 'normal'/standard skill level in those four skills mentioned in the article (Animal Trainer, Animal Caretaker, Furnace Operator, Metal Crafter). I've got no coins either. Created wealth was around 70k, around 60-70 dwarves. Maybe it's the number of pets? I have 123.--[[User:SL|SL]] 00:43, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:Probably not. I got him in 1054 with no more than 25 animals, and had passed 70k wealth long ago so that wasn't it either. Number of dwarves? 1054 would have been the first year after I hit 50 dwarves, which might be the case with yours as well. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 01:36, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:When I got him, I had 57 dwarves. The requirement is probably 50 dwarves, we all have that number in common. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 10:19, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:I dont think the requirement is 50 dwarves, i have the dungeon master arrive when i was nearing the 80 Mark, and had a wealth of around 200k. --[[User:Fedaykin|Fedaykin]] 20:48, 15 November 2007 (EST)
::Were you nearing the 80 mark BEFORE or AFTER the migration when he showed up? A requirement of 50 dwarves to trigger him would mean you would probably have 70+ dwarves by the time he actually arrives, since he generally shows up at the same time as 20 other immigrants.
:::It was before the migration ofcourse, ill try it again when i have time [[User:Fedaykin|Fedaykin]] 14:44, 17 November 2007 (EST)
:My numbers were 68 dwarves (I went from 36 to 60+ in the last wave), roughly 2.7M in wealth (and I'd been over 1M for years) in year 1056 with a moderate number of pets and no coins. I'd also dug to the deepest level the first year, in case folks were considering that as a criterion. I have fought numerous slugmen, goblins and kobolds, but nothing exotic (I had to reload after the dragon arrived and burned everything down). Bear in mind that if there's a pop requirement, then it's important how many you have before the DM arrives, but it's equally important how many you had before the ''previous'' wave. Those numbers form the bounds. So if you had 80 before the DM arrived, but 31 of them arrived or were born in that last wave, then this will have been the first time the caravan saw you with 50+ pop. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 01:56, 20 November 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2007-11-19T21:34:40Z

Doctorlucky:

40d Talk:Adamantine

2007-11-19T09:02:06Z

Doctorlucky:

Has anyone found any yet?

:I've heard so, yes. I forget which talk page it was on.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 22:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::It isn't anywhere on the wiki, if a search for "adamantine" would show it. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:54, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
::Cancel that. You can't find it by searching for "adamantine" but "addy" gave me [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3 this forum thread]. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:56, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Adamantine Confirmed for Brawl- Er, Fortress ==

http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3

Not only have Adamantine veins been found, mildly disturbing variations of the demon pits, demon-free mini-pits, and the demons themselves are also mentioned. Striking Adamantine no longer appears to result in an inevitable game-over condition, but breaching a 'peculiar chamber' and not sealing it off afterward can quickly result in a destroyed fortress for obvious reasons.

Also, apparently there are occasionally crazy people down there.

Wait, Savok already posted this.

Oh well.

== Where to find it ==

http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001176

In the above thread, Toady mentions the pits (and therefore adamantium) are located on every map tile which is displayed as a mountain. He then notes that it might only place them on mountain squares in the local map as well, but that he wasn't sure. So, that detail needs verification. Also, from testing out about a dozen volcano tiles (using reveal.exe) I found adamantine and the pits on every one. So, I've assumed that volcano tiles count as mountains for pit placement. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:58, 5 November 2007 (EST)

This seems to be generally true, but not absolutely true. I found a volcano in a desert on a completely flat map, and there was no adamant. Perhaps there is a depth requirement. --[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]]

:Was this on an actual volcano tile, or just an adjacent tile with a magma vent? --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 02:11, 19 November 2007 (EST)

== Old info ==

I also ported over parts of the old adamantine info which seemed to still be correct for this version, and trimmed out the bits which no longer seemed to be true. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:58, 5 November 2007 (EST)
:There now only seems to be one labor directly related to adamantine, and that is Strand Extraction. Presumably weaving, smelting to wafers, and forging with the wafers now use the relevant "normal" skills but perhaps with a penalty to speed. I have not yet found adamantine, so if anybody has succeeded in analyzing its use, please correct the information in the wiki! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:56, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Okay, since I've been playing around with adamatine in 33a and 33b for a little while now, I've edited the page a fair bit. In particular, I've eliminated the Old Info section, wrapping that into the main body where it's correct, and eliminating it where it's not. I further added notes about treating the ore as a stone, since the value is a little different (I've got an Adamantine Ashery due to the ore not being an economic stone in 33a). I mentioned the apparent relationship between discovering adamantine and the King arriving. I removed the "ver" tag and replaced it with normal text, since it was forcing the page into the "outdated info" category, and I think we're now accurate to 33b. The only thing we still need to check is whether magma version of shops are still needed to handle the processing. (A magma clothier's shop... hmmm). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:02, 19 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Adamantine

2007-11-19T08:55:11Z

Doctorlucky:

{{Metal|color=#0FF|bgcolor=#0aa|name=Adamantine|
|ore=
* [[Raw adamantine]]
|properties=
* [[Damage]]% 500
* [[Block]]% 500
* [[Material value]] 300
|uses=
* Anything (except beds)
}}

'''Adamantine''' is by far the most rare and valuable [[metal]] in the game. It can only be found in small amounts in mountainous areas. Care should be taken if it is found, since digging down several levels through it will lead you to the demon pits. After you reach [[Glowing pits|the pits]], a horde of demons will eventually be loosed on your fortress. These demons are very powerful and can wipe out even a mature, heavily defended fortress.

Discovery of adamantine will also bring the attention of the [[King]], who will immigrate to your fortress once news of your discovery reaches his ears. If you have not otherwise met the criteria for attracting the King, he will arrive "disguised as a peasant." His requirements appears to be the same in any case, so be prepared!

[[Image:FindingAdamantine2.png||thumb]]

To start in a location which has adamantine (and the accompanying demon pits), you must start on a mountain tile ({{Raw Tile|∆|#FFFFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|∆|#808080|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#FFFFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#C0C0C0|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#808080|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#00FFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|^|#FFFFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|^|#808080|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|^|#00FFFF|#000000}}) or volcano tile ({{Raw Tile|^|#FF0000|#000000}}) in the Region map. The adamantine and pits will be located somewhere within the Local map of that region. It is more likely to be found on a Local map square which also shows as mountain.{{verify}} The adamantine will occupy only one Local square, though the demon pits may extend beyond it. Finding it can be very difficult without [[cheating]].

Note that there was a "too deep" forced game ending in previous versions of Dwarf Fortress (ver|0.23.130.23a and earlier) based on how much adamantine you had mined out, but this is no longer true in the current version.

Adamantine strands are extracted from [[Raw adamantine|raw adamantine]] at a [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]. The [[Strand extraction|Strand Extraction]] labor must be enabled for a dwarf to perform the extraction. Adamantine strands are worth 1800 monies each, while the raw adamantine is worth 750.

Unlike older versions of the game, subsequent processing requires no adamantine-specific skills or labor permissions. Adamantine threads are processed into adamantine wafers at a [[Magma smelter]] (A normal [[Smelter]] won't work.){{verify}} Adamantine wafers are treated much like [[bar|bars]] of other metal, and can be forged into a variety of useful items. Adamantine threads may also be woven into cloth using the Weave Metal Cloth task in the [[Loom]].

Raw adamantine may also be processed into stone goods in the same way as other economic stone. In its raw form, it has a value multiplier of x250 (as opposed to adamantine metal, which is x300). Raw adamantine blocks are worth 1250 monies.

Adamantine items are incredibly light: they weigh about 2.5% as much as an equivalent article crafted from iron.

Adamantine is so valuable that a special message pops up when you discover a vein of it.

[[Image:000006 - Praise the miners!.png||500px]]

[[category:metals]][[category:Economic Stone]]

40d:Adamantine

2007-11-19T08:53:33Z

Doctorlucky:

{{Metal|color=#0FF|bgcolor=#0aa|name=Adamantine|
|ore=
* [[Raw adamantine]]
|properties=
* [[Damage]]% 500
* [[Block]]% 500
* [[Material value]] 300
|uses=
* Anything (except beds)
}}

'''Adamantine''' is by far the most rare and valuable [[metal]] in the game. It can only be found in small amounts in mountainous areas. Care should be taken if it is found, since digging down several levels through it will lead you to the demon pits. After you reach [[Glowing pits|the pits]], a horde of demons will eventually be loosed on your fortress. These demons are very powerful and can wipe out even a mature, heavily defended fortress.

Discovery of adamantine will also bring the attention of the [[King]], who will immigrate to your fortress once news of your discovery reaches his ears. If you have not otherwise met the criteria for attracting the King, he will arrive "disguised as a peasant." His requirements appears to be the same in any case, so be prepared!

[[Image:FindingAdamantine2.png||thumb]]

To start in a location which has adamantine (and the accompanying demon pits), you must start on a mountain tile ({{Raw Tile|∆|#FFFFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|∆|#808080|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#FFFFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#C0C0C0|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#808080|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|▲|#00FFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|^|#FFFFFF|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|^|#808080|#000000}},{{Raw Tile|^|#00FFFF|#000000}}) or volcano tile ({{Raw Tile|^|#FF0000|#000000}}) in the Region map. The adamantine and pits will be located somewhere within the Local map of that region. It is more likely to be found on a Local map square which also shows as mountain.{{verify}} The adamantine will occupy only one Local square, though the demon pits may extend beyond it. Finding it can be very difficult without [[cheating]].

Note that there was a "too deep" forced game ending in previous versions of Dwarf Fortress {{ver|0.23.130.23a and earlier}} based on how much adamantine you had mined out, but this is no longer true in the current version.

Adamantine strands are extracted from [[Raw adamantine|raw adamantine]] at a [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]. The [[Strand extraction|Strand Extraction]] labor must be enabled for a dwarf to perform the extraction. Adamantine strands are worth 1800 monies each, while the raw adamantine is worth 750.

Unlike older versions of the game, subsequent processing requires no adamantine-specific skills or labor permissions. Adamantine threads are processed into adamantine wafers at a [[Magma smelter]] (A normal [[Smelter]] won't work.){{verify}} Adamantine wafers are treated much like [[bar|bars]] of other metal, and can be forged into a variety of useful items. Adamantine threads may also be woven into cloth using the Weave Metal Cloth task in the [[Loom]].

Raw adamantine may also be processed into stone goods in the same way as other economic stone. In its raw form, it has a value multiplier of x250 (as opposed to adamantine metal, which is x300). Raw adamantine blocks are worth 1250 monies.

Adamantine items are incredibly light: they weigh about 2.5% as much as an equivalent article crafted from iron.

Adamantine is so valuable that a special message pops up when you discover a vein of it.

[[Image:000006 - Praise the miners!.png||500px]]

[[category:metals]][[category:Economic Stone]]

40d Talk:Screw pump/archive1

2007-11-16T21:26:04Z

Doctorlucky:

I made some mockups of east-to-west pumps using Unicode characters, but we should really get some full-fledged graphical examples. --[[User:JT|JT]] 07:47, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Is it essential that the rear of the pump be adjacent to an open square over liquid? I need to do some tests of that, I had assumed from my testing it was sufficient to have the pump just over liquid (so for example, have the rear square on a ramp into a lake) [[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 13:50, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:The rear end doesnt need to be over an open space it can be pumped straight out onto the ground. Fixing that now.--[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 20:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::Uh, I found that when building a screw pump on open ground, above a mined-out section filled with 7 waters ont he floor below, nothing pumped through until I dug an 'Open Space' next to the pump handle. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 20:52, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Is it possible to pump magma with a screw pump made of steel? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 04:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Has anyone confirmed the reynard diagram works? I was under the impression he meant it as conjecture [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:10, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:just tested it. its fine [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:19, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::In the reynard diagram tower are the fronts of the pump over the water on the square besides that?

Maybe this is helpful?

[[image:PumpWestExamplefix.png]]

This is an example of a pump facing West in wonderful 3D.

A: A square below the level of the pump without a floor where water is pumped from

B: The point in which a dwarf operates the machine

C: The three points in which water is deposited. [[User:MikeWulf|MikeWulf]]
:It's deposited only on the far C tile but leaks into the others from it [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:27, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I can probably do a few of these for the digging article too if it is acceptable.

:What program did you use to make that graphic? I wouldn't be able to make something like this unless I had a laser pen or somethin'. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 08:53, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::Just OpenCanvas with a graphic tablet. If the wiki wants uniform pictures I could probably do them.

After seeing the new quote on the main page and seeing the bottom of this article, I'm totally opening up a dwarven gym with pumps and, if I can figure out how to make them use it, a swimming pool. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 20:46, 14 November 2007 (EST)
:Okay then, I'll put this bug in your head: If you build a pool with an adamantine floor, it'll look like lane markings :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 03:45, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Just added a note that stacked pumps have to be built from the bottom up in order to fulfill their support requirements. This may seem obvious to the initiated, but it frustrated me for quite some time. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:26, 16 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Screw pump

2007-11-16T21:24:58Z

Doctorlucky:

A '''screw pump''' can lift [[water]] from below onto the same [[Z-level]] as the pump. Its is two tiles by one tile in size, and it can be either manually operated by a [[dwarf]] with the [[pump operator]] job or by using [[gear assembly|gear assemblies]] connected to [[water wheel]]s and/or [[windmill]]s. The direction you want the water to travel must be chosen at the time of construction.

== Construction ==

Building a screw pump requires an [[enormous corkscrew]], a stone, wood, or glass block, and a [[pipe]] section. The light green X must be next to the water source and the dark green X is where the water exits the pump. Having specified the direction of travel, you must ensure that the source side of the pump is placed adjacent to and above (in the [[z-axis]]) a liquid. The screw pump will draw the liquid up from below, and distribute it out of the other side of the pump. Screw pumps are [[construction]]s that can be removed to recover the building materials.

[[Image:pumpsnc4.png|frame|right|Diagram 2. Another example of a pump]]

=== Example layout ===
<div class="thumb">
<div class="thumbinner">
<div class="internal" style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre; line-height: 126.5%; text-align: left; border: 1px solid #CCC; background: white; padding: 5px;"><nowiki>
TOP VIEW SIDE VIEW
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒
▒▒▒▒▒,,,, ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒
≈≈≈≈▒,▒▒▒ <--pumping ≈≈≈≈%%
≈≈≈≈%%··· ▒▒▒▒▒▒≈≈≈ reservoir (below)-->
≈≈≈≈▒▒···
▒▒▒▒▒▒···
<--pumping (same level)
reservoir (below)-->
</nowiki>
</div><div class="thumbcaption">Diagram 1. Top and Side view of pump</div></div></div>

=== Another example ===
''See Diagram 2.'' This example is from a [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001225&p=2 Bay12 forum thread.]

#Side view of the basic pump unit. Water is moved from the lower floor to the upper; notice how the front of the pump does not need a floor.
#Side view of stacked screw pumps. Power is transmitted vertically through the missing floor tiles under the fronts of the pumps - no need for gearboxes in this design. The screw pump front prevents the water from flowing diagonally downwards.
#Top view of the basic pump unit.
#Top view with walls in place to prevent the receiving area from spilling out. If this is all it needed, these units could be stacked on top of each other, but it's missing one thing - dwarf access. There's no stairs/ramps, and no good place to put them either that wouldn't interfere with the adjacent levels' water containment.
#Solution for a freestanding tower - fire escape! Sure, you could consolidate the up and downstairs into a single up/down stair tile, but I like the zigzag and symmetrical arrangement this one presents. Just build these on top of each other, flipping horizontally each time, and bam. Minimal yet aesthetic multi-level water pumping.
<div float="right">''Example courtesy of Reynard of the forums''</div>

== Notes ==

* The source of the pump must be directionally adjacent to "Open Space" that is directly above a filled pool of liquid.
* When stacking pumps as in the tower example, above, you must construct the lowest pump first, and then move upward in order. If you begin with a higher pump, the missing floor tile will prevent you from designating the construction. Pumps require support of some kind in both squares.
* The pump tiles are passable by dwarves, but the front of the pump must be accessible to be operated manually.
* Active mechanisms connected to the pump will automatically start the pump; to prevent this either restrict water flow using floodgates, or put in a [[gear assembly]] linked to a [[lever]] to disconnect [[power|motion]].
* Pumps can also be used in conjunction with a [[water wheel]] or a [[windmill]] to become self-powered.
* Pumps can not push water up additional Z-levels. That is, if you direct the output of a screw pump into a 1-square space surrounded by walls, the water will not "overflow" the walls.
* Pumps appear to work by destroying water infront of them, and creating it behind them (unless there is already 7 units behind them), since they won't stop creating water until they have 7 units behind you can eaisly fill the world with water to the level of the pump if you have a loop between the input and the output, and also connect the output to the world.

==Running a pump with a windmill==

===Building [[Windmill|Windmills]]===

Nothing to it - build it anywhere aboveground (note that the [[windmill]] won't do anything yet)

===Building [[pump|Pumps]]===

The end you selected to 'pump from' will suck water up from the level below, then pump it out of the other end. Build with this in mind. If you want to pump from a river, the 'pump from' end should be on the river.

Both the pipe and corkscrew can be built by a [[carpenter]], (the corkscrew is listed as something like 'enormous wooden cor' if you are using the single-width screen, but hitting {{k|Tab}} to expand the screen should reveal the full text).

Connecting [[Windmill|windmills]] to pumps:

Note that it's much easier if the centre of the [[windmill]] lines up with the pump.

# Dig one level below the [[windmill]] and put a [[gear assembly]] directly beneath the [[axle]] (at centre of windmill). The windmill will start turning.
# You're probably going to want to bring your power up to the surface. To do this, dig away from the first gear until the surface is clear above. Place another gear here.
# Connect the gears together using a horizontal axle.
# Get a [[miner]] to [[channel]] on top of the second gear.
# Build a third gear in this channel. You should now have a turning gear on the surface.
# If you thought ahead, you should only need one axle to connect the surface gear to the pump. A pump can be powered from any side.

I recommend that you connect a lever to one of your gears beforehand. The pump will start pumping as soon as it has power.

You can change stuff around as the situation dictates, but that should get you started.

[[Image:Above.png|frame|none|above]]
[[Image:Below.png|frame|none|below]]

<small>The pictures aren't lined up - the far right gear in the second picture is the one below the surface gear.</small>

== Alternate Uses ==

Pumps can also be built with no actual pumping in mind but as dwarven exercise machines. This is an excellent method to train haulers for better strength and agility or for future soldiers.

== External links ==

*[[User:Markavian/DFMA|DFMA]] Ingame Videos featuring screw pumps: ([http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-pump Movies with Pump in the title])

[[Category:Constructions]]
[[Category:Machine components]]

40d Talk:Screw pump/archive1

2007-11-16T08:45:06Z

Doctorlucky:

40d Talk:Trading/Talk Caravan

2007-11-16T07:33:41Z

Doctorlucky:

====Insane merchants?====
I have a trade depot at -3 (fully accessible). I've just had a dwarven caravan arrive, and I did some good trading. Then the merchants said goodbye... and just stood there. Then they went insane.

How do I prevent this happening again? Because this lot are starting to putrify...[[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 17:23, 6 November 2007 (EST)
====Caravan roads ====
Does the presence or absense of a road affect where the human caravan appears? I cleared a nice path for it that it ignored when it appeared on the other side of the map... if I had built a road too, would that have forced it to appear on the road? Or will I eventually need roads in all directions? --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:04, 7 November 2007 (EST)
:In v33a, no caravans need roads. However, I think the human caravan needs a smoothed, 3-wide path to a map edge - but I'm not certain about this.
:It's probably worth mentioning that roads might speed up a caravan - reducing the chance that they leave before they've unpacked.[[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 15:31, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:(Sorry, to answer your question, I don't think you can influence where the caravan appears. I know that both the Elven and Dwarven caravans have ignored my roads when choosing their starting position.)[[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 15:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:On a relatively flat and moderately forested map I recently played, each civ seemed to have a preferred side of the map to enter, but were relatively random about where on the edge they appeared. I built a straight, smoothed road to each edge that went largely unused. The human wagons are happy to go up and down slopes and cross quite rough (but unobstructed) ground to reach me. A smooth road would almost certainly speed their arrival and departure. As an aside, the goblin civ in my current map has been quite happy to start sieges from several different sides, so take the directionality with a grain of salt. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:33, 16 November 2007 (EST)

====Bugged Human Caravans====
I've had a crash bug associated with the arrival of the human caravan. Interestingly, when I raised my drawbridges, limiting access to my depot to a torturous 1-wide path, the caravan arrived OK with the message along the lines of "the wagons have bypassed this stop." I only got the mule-back traders, but no crash. This repeated the next year. I'm guessing this relates to Toady's comments about a seed pricing bug. It's possible that it's a pathing issue with the wagons, of course. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:33, 16 November 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:King

2007-11-16T07:23:29Z

Doctorlucky:

Got the king tonight. Unsure of the trigger; had missed two prior dwarf caravans due to sieges. Had population 37 and fortress value about 1.3 million when he arrived. His fellow immigrants raised the population to 63 immediately afterward. My first wiki page, let me know what I did wrong :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:29, 15 November 2007 (EST)
:I had him arrive under similar conditions recently: Population of around 40, high overall fortress value(~6 million) and three past sieges.[[User:Killtheimpostor!|Killtheimpostor!]] 19:53, 15 November 2007 (EST)
::Have either of you reached adamantine? -- [[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]] 20:33, 15 November 2007 (EST)
:::I had only my 7 dwarves when i reached adamantine by sheer dumb luck, and then the king arrived with 22 immigrants. Adamantine has to have something to do with it. [[User:abattur|abattur]]
:::There was some discussion elsewhere, and apparently the 'King arrives dressed as a peasant' in previous versions meant you'd found adamantine but not met other criteria of having the king arrive. And yes, I had found adamantine. So once we figure out the criteria for a non-adamantine visit, we should redo and expand the page. And never demean the value of pure dumb luck! [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:23, 16 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Sheriff

2007-11-15T09:32:38Z

Doctorlucky: Added to nobles category

The position of '''sheriff''' opens once the population of your fortress reaches 20. The sheriff will get unhappy thoughts if you don't have enough chains or cages set to be used for [[jail|justice]]. The sheriff will subdue and [[jail|imprison]] lawbreaking dwarves.

When your fortress reaches 50 dwarves, the sheriff will be promoted to a [[Captain of the guard]]

Requires:

*Modest [[Office]]
*Modest [[Room|Quarters]]
*Modest Dining [[Room]]
*1 [[Chest]]
*1 [[Cabinet]]
*1 [[Weapon rack]]
*1 [[Armor stand]]

[[Category:Nobles]]

40d:Captain of the guard

2007-11-15T09:32:16Z

Doctorlucky: Added him to nobles category

This noble is what happens to your [[sheriff]] once [[mayor|das mayor]] arrives, essentially it's just a promotion, and he gets to boss your dwarves around even more now.

Requires:

*[[Office]]
*[[Room|Quarters]]
*Dining [[Room]]
*1 [[Chest]]
*1 [[Cabinet]]
*1 [[Weapon rack]]
*1 [[Armor stand]]

[[Category:Nobles]]

40d:King

2007-11-15T09:31:50Z

Doctorlucky: Whoops, forgot to categorize him.

This noble arrives as an immigrant along with the message "The King arrives, dressed as a peasant." This is the dwarf named as ruler of the dwarf civilization in the [[Civilizations]] screen.

Requires:

* Royal [[Bedroom]]
* Royal [[Office]]
* Royal [[dining room|Dining Room]]
* Royal [[Tomb|Mausoleum]]
* 10 [[Chest|Chests]]
* 5 [[Cabinet|Cabinets]]
* 5 [[Weapon rack|Weapon Racks]]
* 5 [[Armor stand|Armor Stands]]

[[Category:Nobles]]

40d Talk:King

2007-11-15T09:29:18Z

Doctorlucky: New page: Got the king tonight. Unsure of the trigger; had missed two prior dwarf caravans due to sieges. Had population 37 and fortress value about 1.3 million when he arrived. His fellow immigr...

40d:King

2007-11-15T09:27:20Z

Doctorlucky: Got a king tonight, noticed we have no king page yet.

40d Talk:Noble

2007-11-15T09:15:44Z

Doctorlucky:

Added the dungeon keeper noble. He just showed up at my fort in year 1053. --[[Idles]]

I'm "fixing" the change, "16:59, 31 October 2007 Lightning4 (Talk | contribs) (1,934 bytes) (→Appointments - Isn't called bookkeeper, at least when the fortress is new.)", because in my forts it IS called bookkeeper when the fortress starts. Other edits have backed me up, suspect editor was confused--Please discuss this here? --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 15:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:I apologize, I was indeed incorrect. You do start with a Bookkeeper, which in very short order can be upgraded to a Treasurer. Unsure of requirements, possibly only requires 20 dwarves like the sheriff. My fortress has one and I haven't even done anything besides changed who had bookkeeping and set it to higher priority (did not build study yet). That's probably what got me confused since the bookkeeper upgrades very quickly. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 18:11, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::Yeah, 20 dwarves sounds accurate enough to put in there. He didn't turn when I had only 17. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 18:14, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

"Your original expedition leader will be the fourth dwarf down in the starting screen(the one in the middle)." This does not seem to hold true; I have a newly-developed habit of making the last dwarf on the screen (used to be my designated hauler-peasant) into the administrator, with all the social skills for filling the four starter noble roles. He gets auto-assigned to all four administrative positions; I'm thinking that instead of being fixed or random, the starting assignment is based on social skills. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:29, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

I had a Philosopher show up last night. I'm unsure of the requirement to get him; the only really notable thing that had happened was I got over 100 dwarves. I'm adding him to the list of Nobles, though, since I can confirm he still exists in the new version. I also divided the page structure between Appointed and Immigrant nobles, since the current header was misleading (Dungeon Master and Philosopher cannot be appointed). --[[User:Zurai|Zurai]] 20:55, 10 November 2007 (EST)

I had the king show up tonight. "The King arrives, dressed as a peasant." I have no idea what the requirements were. I missed the 1051 and 1052 dwarf caravans due to prolonged sieges, and had no immigrants those years. 1053 I had the caravan; a season later a wave of immigration brought my total dwarves up to 37. In the spring the king arrived, along with enough others to bring the population to 63. At that time I was notified that the Captain of the Guard position was available. Only thing I can think is that I hit adamantine during the siege years, and mistakenly built a number of ridiculously valuable adamantine objects. (Door, Coffin, etc.) This has raised my fortress value to 1.3 million. Is 1 million value perhaps the trigger? I have no coins, and no nobles other than the starting 4 positions. I did not appoint a sheriff. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:15, 15 November 2007 (EST)

== What determines expedition leader? ==

There are a number of situations to test out:
* No social skills on any dwarves
** ''Probably random, possibly based on the Dwarf's thoughts and preferences''
* Majority of social skills on one dwarf (various positions in start order)
** ''Test case 1: only one dwarf has social skills - gives that dwarf as leader and all positions''
* Social skills spread between multiple dwarves
** Is there any weight on which skill determines the leader?
--[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 01:25, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Is the first point certain? In my current fortress, I didn't assign any social skills to any dwarf, and I'm pretty certain that the dwarf that ended up expedition leader was the seventh in the list. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 02:28, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::In my current fort I assigned no social skills and the first dwarf in the list, one of my miners, is the expedition leader. --[[User:Moller|Moller]] 02:40, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:::Might be randomised then, I started three new fortresses for the test and each time it was the same so I made an assumption. Obviously this isn't the case can you two check what thoughts/prefs you have for those so we can look for some leadership criteria. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 08:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::::It's almost always been the first dwarf for me (assuming no one had leadership skills), but I could have sworn one time it assigned someone else. Maybe it defaults to the first dwarf on the list but can sometimes choose someone else under certain conditions. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 22:29, 10 November 2007 (EST)
:::::Perhaps the first dwarf didn't get it because of negative preferences? Some dwarves have a line in their thoughts/prefs that reads something like "X prefers to let others take leadership roles". [[User:Tocky|Tocky]] 11:04, 11 November 2007 (EST)

==Room requirements==
Maybe something about the nobles requiring better rooms and how to build them? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:15, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:Found it in [[room]]s, adding a link. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:34, 4 November 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Wall

2007-11-14T23:40:39Z

Doctorlucky:

Is there a way to build walls on areas (like when designating a stockpile) instead of tile per tile? Very boring work when constructing long walls... --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 13:40, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:Not as of {{ver|0.27.169.33a}}. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 14:11, 4 November 2007 (EST)
The text of the article seems to suggest that engravings and smoothing can be done on constructed walls. In my experience, a constructed wall is described as a "Granite Block Wall" and does not accept either smoothing or engraving commands. It also highlights with a flashing green "C" in designation mode, indicating it is constructed. If I'm wrong, I'd love to know how to accomplish this!
Also, the article text indicates that a wall must be built above certain types of solid object. In my experience, this is not true; you can build a wall over empty space provided you build ''beside'' an existing solid structure. This is key when building spiral ramps within towers, etc.
I'm very new to wiki editing, so I'm not going to touch the article itself at this point. If someone would like to verify...?--[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:10, 12 November 2007 (EST)
:All right, some experimentation has determined how walls are named and how the operate. I'll use "felsite" as my material in the examples: A wall which is comprised of naturally-occurring rock or other material is called a "Rough-hewn Felsite Wall". Smoothed, it becomes a "Smoothed Felsite Wall". A wall constructed of mined stone using the building menu is described as a "Rough Felsite Block Wall" while one made out of stone block (prepared by a mason) is a "Felsite Block Wall". Neither type of constructed wall is engravable or smoothable, and both type look identical to a smoothed natural wall. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 18:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Experience

2007-11-14T23:18:23Z

Doctorlucky: Added Strand Extraction task.

{{old|0.23.130.23a}}
'''Experience''' represents how much a certain dwarf (or other intelligent creature) has learned about a certain subject, or on a whole. It affects proficiency in [[skills]] and a dwarf's [[attributes]]. Experience points are never displayed directly, except in [[Adventure Mode]].

Every experience point earned is associated with a skill. Skill increases happen when a certain number of points in that skill is reached. Attribute increases happen when a certain total number of points is reached.

The message "''Dwarfname'' is more experienced." signifies an attribute increase. Skill increases are not announced unless the increase changes a dwarf's profession ("''Dwarfname'' has become a ''new profession''.").

== Gaining experience ==

Dwarves gain experience by performing tasks. Experience is gained when the task is ''completed''; if a task takes a long time and is frequently interrupted (by the dwarf going off to drink, for instance), the dwarf will gain the skill very slowly. Tasks without an associated skill (such as [[hauling]]) do not give any experience. Constructing or destroying buildings also does not give experience (except when [[architecture]] is used).

{| style="margin: 0 auto"
|+ style="margin: 0 auto" |'''Known Experience Values'''
| style="vertical-align: top" |
{| style="border-left: 1px solid black; border-right: 1px solid black; border-spacing: 0 1px; background: black"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | '''Skill''' || '''Task''' || '''XP'''
|- style="background: #bbb"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Miner || Dig || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 10
|- style="background: #ee6"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Bowyer || Make wooden crossbow || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #ee6"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Carpenter || Construct bed || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Engraver || Smooth or detail a floor || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Engraver || Smooth or detail a wall || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 10
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Mason || Construct rock object || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #88f"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Wood Crafter || Make wooden bolts || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #6bb"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Building Designer || Construct building || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #6bb"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Operator || Load catapult || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #6bb"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Operator || Fire catapult || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #6bb"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Weaver || Gather silk || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #6bb"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Weaver || Weave any cloth || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #6bb"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Wood Cutter || Fell tree || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #bb6"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Butcher || Slaughter animal || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #bb6"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Brewer || Brew one batch || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #bb6"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Cook || Cook any meal || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #bb6"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Herbalist || Gather plants || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Strand Extractor || Extract Adamantine || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 30
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Varies || Create artifact || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | 20,000
|}
| style="vertical-align: top" |
{| style="border-left: 1px solid black; border-right: 1px solid black; border-spacing: 0 1px; background: black"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | '''Military Skill''' || '''Task''' || '''XP'''
|- style="background: #6b6"
| style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | Marksdwarf || Shoot at archery range || align="right" style="padding: 0.2em 0.4em" | ≈7.5
|}
|}

== Increasing skills ==

To reach Novice level in any skill requires 500 XP. Reaching each successive level requires an additional 100 XP, so to go from Novice to ''No label'' requires 600 XP; ''No label'' to Competent requires 700 XP, and so on. The following figures are the ''cumulative'' XP needed to go from unskilled to any given skill level.

For item-crafting purposes, there are actually 21 skill levels, from 0 (dabbling) to 21 (Legendary+5). The skill levels Legendary through Legendary+5 are all shown as Legendary, but are actually separate levels. You can't find out exactly when a dwarf gets to Legendary+5, but it will happen 1000xp before their eighth attribute if they have no other skills, so when they get eight attributes, they are at Legendary+5. Masterpieces happen 15% of the time when Legendary, but 27% of the time when Legendary+5, based off of a random d20 roll. Skill beyond Legendary+5 does not increase the probability of creating a masterpiece item.

{| style="margin: 0 auto; border: 1px solid black; border-spacing: 0"
|-
| width="50%" style="border-right: 1px solid black" |
{| width="100%"
! Level !! XP
|-
| Dabbling || align="right" | 1
|-
| Novice || align="right" | 500
|-
| ''No label'' || align="right" | 1100
|-
| Competent || align="right" | 1800
|-
| Skilled || align="right" | 2600
|-
| Proficient || align="right" | 3500
|-
| Talented || align="right" | 4500
|-
| Adept || align="right" | 5600
|-
| Expert || align="right" | 6800
|-
| Professional || align="right" | 8100
|-
| Accomplished || align="right" | 9500
|}
| width="50%" |
{| width="100%"
! Level !! XP
|-
| Great || align="right" | 11000
|-
| Master || align="right" | 12600
|-
| High Master || align="right" | 14300
|-
| Grand Master || align="right" | 16100
|-
| Legendary || align="right" | 18000
|-
| Legendary+1 || align="right" | 20000
|-
| Legendary+2 || align="right" | 22100
|-
| Legendary+3 || align="right" | 24300
|-
| Legendary+4 || align="right" | 26600
|-
| Legendary+5 || align="right" | 29000
|-
| || style="color: white;" | .
|}
|}

== Increasing attributes ==

Attribute increases are based on total experience gained across all skills, and are not connected to the attainment of specific skill levels.

Dwarves with a single skill will get their first attribute between Competent and Skilled, their second when reaching Talented, a third between Expert and Professional, a fourth when reaching Great, and a fifth between High Master and Grand Master. Further increases can happen after Legendary.

{| style="margin: 0 auto; border: 1px solid black; border-spacing: 0; text-align: right"
|-
| width="50%" style="border-right: 1px solid black" |
{| width="100%"
! Attributes !! style="padding-left: 35px;"| XP
|-
! 1
| 2000
|-
! 2
| 4500
|-
! 3
| 7500
|-
! 4
| 11000
|-
! 5
| 15000
|-
! 6
| 19500
|-
! 7
| 24500
|-
! 8
| 30000
|}
| width="50%" valign="top" |
{| width="100%"
! Attributes !! style="padding-left: 35px;"| XP
|-
! 9
| 36000
|-
! 10
| 42500
|-
! 11
| 49500
|-
! 12
| 57000
|-
! 13
| 65000
|-
! 14
| 73500
|-
! 15
| 82500
|-
! 16
| 92000
|}
|}

[[Category:Dwarves]]

40d Talk:Experience

2007-11-14T23:14:51Z

Doctorlucky:

Until experience points have been re-verified, this page should be marked as having been copied from the old Wiki. I don't know how to do that and am too tired to research it right now.

I will add that I intend to re-verify experience fairly soon. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:52, 14 November 2007 (EST)
:Done [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:42, 14 November 2007 (EST)

:Since I had a pile of Adamantine around, I decided to do the Extraction experiment. It took a dwarf who had never extracted adamantine before 17 iterations to reach novice. That makes it more than 29 and at most 32 xp per action. I expect that it's a 30xp task, like so many others. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 05:07, 14 November 2007 (EST)

:I've now taken the dwarf to named level (Strand Extractor) with exactly 37 tasks, so it's 30xp. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 18:14, 14 November 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Experience

2007-11-14T10:07:06Z

Doctorlucky:

Until experience points have been re-verified, this page should be marked as having been copied from the old Wiki. I don't know how to do that and am too tired to research it right now.

I will add that I intend to re-verify experience fairly soon. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:52, 14 November 2007 (EST)

:Since I had a pile of Adamantine around, I decided to do the Extraction experiment. It took a dwarf who had never extracted adamantine before 17 iterations to reach novice. That makes it more than 29 and at most 32 xp per action. I expect that it's a 30xp task, like so many others. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 05:07, 14 November 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Wall

2007-11-12T09:10:04Z

Doctorlucky: