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40d Talk:Goblin

2007-12-27T14:36:36Z

EdwinBG2: /* Goblin Siege */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins have access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!
:::No problems... I've seen so many people complaining about the lack of gobling sieges since 33g that I was wondering myself if they were broken or not. They're supposed to attack you now instead of sitting on the edge of the map, can you confirm that? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:42, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::of course they do. but they came in where no connection was (okok...it was a bridge)
::::so I had to dig a new way...and yes they are very agressive! I wondered why the goblin force came exacly at the beginning of 1060...coincidence?
:::::Depends if you're playing a game from a fortress ported from lower versions like me or not. Hard to say when you're playing an old game and didn't start the fortress on a world generated on the same version. It could be anything that Toady ajusted and you're simply over a certain limit by far and it takes a while before they raid you again... From that point on, it's only speculation unless some specific corrolations can be made. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 09:17, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::::it´s an old version generated world.

40d Talk:Goblin

2007-12-27T14:11:29Z

EdwinBG2: /* Goblin Siege */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins have access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!
:::No problems... I've seen so many people complaining about the lack of gobling sieges since 33g that I was wondering myself if they were broken or not. They're supposed to attack you now instead of sitting on the edge of the map, can you confirm that? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:42, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::of course they do. but they came in where no connection was (okok...it was a bridge)
::::so I ahd to dig a new way...and yes they are very agressive! I wondered why the goblin force can exacly at the beginning of 1060...coincidence?

40d Talk:Goblin

2007-12-27T12:53:28Z

EdwinBG2: /* Goblin Siege */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins are access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!

40d Talk:Goblin

2007-12-27T12:04:51Z

EdwinBG2: Goblin Siege

40d Talk:Stone

2007-12-24T15:16:47Z

EdwinBG2: /* Stones water permeability */

== Where did the ore and economic stones go? ==
I've moved the [[economic stone]] and [[ore]] categories to their own articles, as was suggested. I've reorganized this to reflect the change [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 22:38, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:Oh! and if someone decides to make the ores redirect to the [[ore]] page instead of the [[stone]] page, keep in mind that it would be nicer of you to turn them into something like [[malachite]] instead [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 22:42, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I notice that [[Economic stone]] lists economic + metal ores, my edit to the stone page
divides it as the stockpiles do. -- infinity

Is there any kind of stone that isn't mineable? If not, then I don't think that "Mineable Stone" makes sense as a section header. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:36, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Good point, I think I was trying to separate that from "soil" and other things that don't leave behind anything ... I shouldn't edit so early in the morning. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 20:45, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Now all we need is graphical representations! [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 16:24, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

What about ICE BLOCKS? those count as stones for some purposes. --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 19:27, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:I haven't been able to get my dorfs to do anything with ice blocks yet. Haven't managed them to go down (or up) the stairs into the frozen river I had anyway, so... (I was explicitly trying NOT to mine out the side of it)--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 00:48, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Shouldn't raw adamantine be under metal ore as opposed to "other stone"? --[[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 00:43, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:It's probably due to where it's grouped in the raws. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 14:40, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Why are we listing [[platinum nuggets]] instead of [[native platinum]], when talking about it in it's unmined state? --[[User:Trukkle|Trukkle]] 10:23, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

I am thinking about implementing a more detailed table style for this area. The existing tables are nice, but there should be much more information on this page. Perhaps something like this:

{| border = 1
|-
! Name !! Tile !! Type !! Uses
|-
| Olivine || sytle="padding:0" | [[Image:olivine_raw.gif]][[Image:olivine_stone.gif]] || Generic || Stoneworking
|}

What do you guys think? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 15:41, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:I really like that, Schm0 --[[User:Tracker|Tracker]] 18:29, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::I agree it looks good, but can it be accomplished without using gifs? we have a raw tile template so we could do something like this:

{| border = 1 cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5"
|-
! style="background:#efefef;" | Name
! style="background:#efefef;" | Tiles
! style="background:#efefef;" | Type
! style="background:#efefef;" | Uses
! style="background:#efefef;" | Value
|-
| Olivine
| {{Raw Tile|%|#0B0|#000}} {{Raw Tile|•|#0B0|#000}} {{Raw Tile|╬|#0B0|#000}}{{Raw Tile|║|#0B0|#000}}{{Raw Tile|═|#0B0|#000}}
| Generic
| Stoneworking
| 1
|-
| Microcline
| {{Raw Tile|%|#66B|#000}} {{Raw Tile|•|#66B|#000}} {{Raw Tile|╬|#66B|#000}}{{Raw Tile|║|#66B|#000}}{{Raw Tile|═|#66B|#000}}
| Generic
| Stoneworking
| 1
|-
| Native Platinum (Raw) | Platinum Nuggets (Mined)
| {{Raw Tile|*|#FFF|#000}} {{Raw Tile|•|#FFF|#000}} {{Raw Tile|╬|#FFF|#000}}{{Raw Tile|║|#FFF|#000}}{{Raw Tile|═|#FFF|#000}}
| Metal Ore
| Stoneworking, Smelting
| 40
|}
--[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 06:10, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Someone, with correct formatting, add this to the bottom of the page. http://idisk.mac.com/fire_drake-Public/DF_StoneOre_Table.htm -penguin
: I'd try, but what does the 'V' or 'C' mean in the table? --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 10:06, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:: "vein" and "cluster" [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 17:29, 4 November 2007 (EST)
: Okay, I've added something like it with some of my own formatting through a program, but it will still need a lot of cleanup. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 17:53, 4 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual pages ==

I'm of the opinion that [[ore]]s and [[economic stone]]s should probably get their own page, but the rest can just redirect here. There just isn't much to say about [[cryolite]] or [[jet]]. They're rocks, they have about such-and-such a value, the end. How about it? --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 20:59, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:Yes, the pages about the all the stones in the 'other stone' category should be deleted, any information about them can just be included in the table on this page. All the info from the raws is now summed up in the table. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 21:06, 4 November 2007 (EST)

::Instead of deleting, let's redirect to this page. Just replace them with <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Stone]]. (The #R button above the edit box helps with this.)</nowiki> --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 22:13, 4 November 2007 (EST)

On different note, I think that Ores should be on a separate page to Stone. I don't consider 'Ore' to be stone, although I agree there is little difference in the way that stones and ore operate in the game. One alternative; add information about metal ores to the [[metal]]s page, which doesn't exist at the moment, ores could more usefully redirect there. I was trying to find out what metals tetrahedtrite produced by starting on the metal page, but found no reference. I was then confused to find myself redirect from ores to stones. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 21:09, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:'''An ore''': ''A mineral or an aggregate of minerals from which a valuable constituent, especially a metal, can be profitably mined or extracted.'' [http://www.answers.com/ore Answers.com/ore]
:Perhaps you would have found the [[tetrahedrite]] page helpful. (look at the beautiful template) [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 21:18, 6 November 2007 (EST)
::Unfortunately, not all of the ores have beautiful templated pages like that just yet. You can help [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 21:21, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:I did see the tetrahedrite page eventually, it was very plush. I look forward to the other ores exhibiting a similar likeness. :) --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

Does anyone know what calcareous ooze is, or what siliceous ooze is? It's listed as a stone under the stockpile menu. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 02:27, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Stones water permeability ==

hi all! can someone tell me where I can find water permeability of stone?

I didn´t find it...

and could someone tell me how mica wall reacts on water? (I am looking for the cave river...digging nets and such stuff)—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EdwinBG2|EdwinBG2]] ([[User talk:EdwinBG2|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/EdwinBG2|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
:The types of stone listed as an aquifer are permeable and those that aren't aren't. The only two types of stone aquifer are [[sandstone]] and [[conglomerate]]. If that doesn't help, you may be asking about a feature I have't heard of yet; could you explain? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:02, 24 December 2007 (EST)

::ok thank you! that was exacly what I meant! I risk it...(could be a sea and my legendary miner is dead...no risk no fun!)

40d Talk:Stone

2007-12-24T13:21:46Z

EdwinBG2: Stones water permeability