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2025-08-03T23:53:04Z

Eerr: /* just get rid of 'Loosing' */ new section

== umm...what is that? ==

^

== just get rid of 'Loosing' ==

It's just some shitpost.

v0.34 Talk:Starting location

2025-03-08T18:35:47Z

Eerr: locations .34 is ambiguous with locatiosn .51

looks like this page is different from 0.51 locations
I don't know what sorcery it takes to disambiguate this properly

v0.31:Attribute

2025-01-28T18:22:43Z

Eerr: fixed typo

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A creature has numerous attributes which impact its performance at various tasks. These attributes are split into physical factors associated with the body and mental factors associated with a creature's soul.

Attributes are located in the Thoughts and Preferences screen. Body attributes are listed just above prefstrings, and soul attributes are listed immediately thereafter. Positive attributes are dark green and negative attributes are red.

Attributes are now associated with skills, so that shield use will raise endurance as an attribute, but not attributes like memory. Attribute gain and rust rates, along with skill gain and rust rates, are moddable in the raws as a [[Creature token]].

Attributes can be viewed for individual dwarves by selecting {{k|v}}iew dwarves, {{k|z}}, {{k|enter}} or by going to the {{k|u}}nits menu, {{k|v}}iew, then {{k|enter}}.

==Body Attributes==
The attribute values given in the tables correspond to default racial averages for dwarves only. Modded dwarves or any other creature will report the same phrases, but the underlying numbers may be very different. In almost every case, a higher attribute value is better, as opposed to [[personality trait]]s where one may prefer higher or lower depending on the situation.

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===Strength===
Alters the damage done in melee (increases velocity of weapon swings), increases muscle mass (thicker muscle layer also resists damage more), and increases how much a creature can carry. Higher strength also increases the speed with which a creature, even a naked creature, may move.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || unbelievably strong
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || mighty
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || very strong
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || strong
|-
| 751 - 1000 || weak
|-
| 501 - 750 || very weak
|-
| 251 - 500 || unquestionably weak
|-
| 0 - 250 || unfathomably weak
|}

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===Agility===
This attribute increases the [[speed]] at which a creature works in the same way as strength -- a creature with maximum agility and strength can move around three times faster than a creature with minimum agility and strength.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (-)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 1900 - 5000 || amazingly agile
|-
| 1650 - 1899 || extremely agile
|-
| 1400 - 1649 || very agile
|-
| 1150 - 1399 || agile
|-
| 401 - 650 || clumsy
|-
| 151 - 400 || quite clumsy
|-
| 0 - 150 || totally clumsy
|-
| NULL || abysmally clumsy
|}

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===Toughness===
Reduces physical damage.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || basically unbreakable
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || incredibly tough
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || quite durable
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || tough
|-
| 751 - 1000 || flimsy
|-
| 501 - 750 || very flimsy
|-
| 251 - 500 || remarkably flimsy
|-
| 0 - 250 || shockingly fragile
|}

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===Endurance===
Reduces the rate at which dwarves become exhausted.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || absolutely inexhaustible
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || indefatigable
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || very slow to tire
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || slow to tire
|-
| 501 - 750 || quick to tire
|-
| 251 - 500 || very quick to tire
|-
| 1 - 250 || extremely quick to tire
|-
| 0 || truly quick to tire
|}

|-
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===Recuperation===
Increases the rate of wound healing.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || possessed of amazing recuperative powers
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || incredibly quick to heal
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || quite quick to heal
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || quick to heal
|-
| 501 - 750 || slow to heal
|-
| 251 - 500 || very slow to heal
|-
| 1 - 250 || really slow to heal
|-
| 0 || shockingly slow to heal
|}

|
===Disease Resistance===
Reduces the risk of disease.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || virtually never sick
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || almost never sick
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || very rarely sick
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || rarely sick
|-
| 501 - 750 || susceptible to disease
|-
| 251 - 500 || quite susceptible to disease
|-
| 1 - 250 || really susceptible to disease
|-
| 0 || stunningly susceptible to disease
|}
|}

==Soul Attributes==
The attribute values given in the tables correspond to default racial averages for dwarves only. Modded dwarves or any other creature will report the same phrases, but the underlying numbers may be very different. In almost every case, a higher attribute value is better, as opposed to [[personality trait]]s where one may prefer higher or lower depending on the situation.

From [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60554.msg1413312#msg1413312 this post by Toady One]

With respect to skills: most of these attributes only affect duration, when that is the only available skill effect to begin with, but they are factored into outcomes when it applies.

At the [[#Skills By Soul Attribute|bottom]] is a list of which attributes affect which skills. [[:Image:DFmental.PNG|This]] pair of charts provides an easier to read summary of the soul attributes that are useful for doctors and soldiers.

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===Analytical Ability===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || awesome intellectual powers
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || great analytical abilities
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a sharp intellect
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a good intellect
|-
| 751 - 1000 || poor analytical abilities
|-
| 501 - 750 || very bad analytical abilities
|-
| 251 - 500 || a lousy intellect
|-
| 0 - 250 || a stunning lack of analytical ability
|}

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===Focus===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (++)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2542 - 5000 || unbreakable focus
|-
| 2292 - 2541 || a great ability to focus
|-
| 2042 - 2291 || very good focus
|-
| 1792 - 2041 || the ability to focus
|-
| 1043 - 1292 || poor focus
|-
| 793 - 1042 || quite poor focus
|-
| 543 - 792 || really poor focus
|-
| 0 - 542 || the absolute inability to focus
|}

|-
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===Willpower===
Willpower directly reduces exertion and pain effects.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an unbreakable will
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || an iron will
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a lot of willpower
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || willpower
|-
| 501 - 750 || little willpower
|-
| 251 - 500 || a large deficit of willpower
|-
| 1 - 250 || next to no willpower
|-
| 0 || absolutely no willpower
|}

|
===Creativity===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || a boundless creative imagination
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || great creativity
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || very good creativity
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || good creativity
|-
| 751 - 1000 || meager creativity
|-
| 501 - 750 || poor creativity
|-
| 251 - 500 || lousy creativity
|-
| 0 - 250 || next to no creative talent
|}

|-
|
===Intuition===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || uncanny intuition
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || great intuition
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || very good intuition
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || good intuition
|-
| 501 - 750 || bad intuition
|-
| 251 - 500 || very bad intuition
|-
| 1 - 250 || lousy intuition
|-
| 0 || horrible intuition
|}

|
===Patience===
Some non-skill tasks are affected by Patience.
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || absolutely boundless patience
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || a deep well of patience
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great deal of patience
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a sum of patience
|-
| 751 - 1000 || a shortage of patience
|-
| 501 - 750 || little patience
|-
| 251 - 500 || very little patience
|-
| 0 - 250 || no patience at all
|}

|-
|
===Memory===

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || an astonishing memory
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || an amazing memory
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great memory
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a good memory
|-
| 751 - 1000 || an iffy memory
|-
| 501 - 750 || a poor memory
|-
| 251 - 500 || a really bad memory
|-
| 0 - 250 || little memory to speak of
|}

|

===Linguistic Ability===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an astonishing ability with languages and words
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great affinity for language
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a natural inclination toward language
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a way with words
|-
| 501 - 750 || a little difficulty with words
|-
| 251 - 500 || little linguistic ability
|-
| 1 - 250 || very little linguistic ability
|-
| 0 || difficulty with words and language
|}

|-
|
===Spatial Sense===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (++)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2542 - 5000 || a stunning feel for spatial relationships
|-
| 2292 - 2541 || an amazing spatial sense
|-
| 2042 - 2291 || a great feel for the surrounding space
|-
| 1792 - 2041 || a good spatial sense
|-
| 1043 - 1292 || a questionable spatial sense
|-
| 793 - 1042 || poor spatial senses
|-
| 543 - 792 || an atrocious spatial sense
|-
| 0 - 542 || no sense for spatial relationships
|}

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===Musicality===
This attribute doesn't affect any skills as of version .31.25.
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an astonishing knack for music
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great musical sense
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a natural ability with music
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a feel for music
|-
| 501 - 750 || an iffy sense for music
|-
| 251 - 500 || little natural inclination toward music
|-
| 1 - 250 || next to no natural musical ability
|-
| 0 || absolutely no feel for music at all
|}

|-
|
===Kinesthetic Sense===
Most skills involving any movement at all (lots of them), and many non-skilled tasks as well are affected by Kinesthetic Sense.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an astounding feel for the position of own body
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great kinesthetic sense
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a very good sense of the position of own body
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a good kinesthetic sense
|-
| 501 - 750 || a meager kinesthetic sense
|-
| 251 - 500 || a poor kinesthetic sense
|-
| 1 - 250 || a very clumsy kinesthetic sense
|-
| 0 || an unbelievably atrocious sense of the position of own body
|}

|
===Empathy===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an absolutely remarkable sense of others' emotions
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great sense of empathy
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a very good sense of empathy
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || an ability to read emotions fairly well
|-
| 501 - 750 || poor empathy
|-
| 251 - 500 || a very bad sense of empathy
|-
| 1 - 250 || next to no empathy
|-
| 0 || the utter inability to judge others' emotions
|}

|-
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===Social Awareness===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || a shockingly profound feel for social relationships
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great feel for social relationships
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a very good feel for social relationships
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a good feel for social relationships
|-
| 501 - 750 || a meager ability with social relationships
|-
| 251 - 500 || a poor ability to manage or understand social relationships
|-
| 1 - 250 || a lack of understanding of social relationships
|-
| 0 || an absolute inability to understand social relationships
|}
|}
=== Skills By Soul Attribute ===
{{SkillsBySoulAttribute}}

== Skills by Associated Attributes ==
Strength, Toughness, Endurance, Willpower, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Miner]], [[Biter]]

Agility, Creativity, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Bowyer]], [[Engraver]], [[Gem setter]], [[Bone carver]], [[Clothier]], [[Stone crafter]], [[Weaver]], [[Wood crafter]]

Strength, Agility, Creativity, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Carpenter]]

Strength, Agility, Endurance, Willpower, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Wood cutter]], [[Swimmer]], [[Wrestler]]

Strength, Agility, Endurance, Creativity, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Mason]], [[Armorsmith]], [[Metal crafter]], [[Metalsmith]], [[Weaponsmith]], [[Glassmaker]], [[Leatherworker]]

Agility, Focus, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Ambusher]], [[Surgeon]], [[Suturer]], [[Archer]], [[Blowgunner]], [[Bowman]], [[Crossbowman]]

Agility, Analytical Ability, Memory, Empathy: 
[[Animal caretaker]]

Agility, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Animal dissector]], [[Tanner]], [[Fish dissector]]

Agility, Toughness, Endurance, Intuition, Patience, Empathy: 
[[Animal trainer]]

Agility, Analytical Ability, Creativity, Spatial Sense: 
[[Trapper]]

Strength, Agility, Focus, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Bone doctor]]

Agility, Endurance, Willpower, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Crutch walker]]

Analytical Ability, Memory, Intuition: 
[[Diagnostician]], [[Appraiser]]

Agility, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense, Empathy: 
[[Wound dresser]]

Strength, Agility, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Brewer]] 
[[Balance]], not implemented

Strength, Agility, Endurance, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Butcher]], [[Dyer]], [[Grower]], [[Milker]], [[Miller]], [[Thresher]]

Strength, Agility, Endurance, Analytical Ability, Creativity, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Cheese maker]]

Agility, Analytical Ability, Creativity, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Cook]]

Agility, Memory, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Herbalist]]

Strength, Toughness, Endurance, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Lye maker]], [[Potash maker]], [[Soaper]], [[Wood burner]]

Agility, Endurance, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Fish cleaner]]

Strength, Agility, Focus, Patience, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Fisherdwarf]]

Strength, Toughness, Endurance, Analytical Ability, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Furnace operator]]

Agility, Analytical Ability, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Gem cutter]]

Strength, Agility, Endurance, Analytical Ability, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Strand extractor]]

Strength, Agility, Endurance, Analytical Ability, Creativity, Spatial Sense: 
[[Mechanic]], [[Siege engineer]]

Strength, Toughness, Endurance, Willpower, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Pump operator]], [[Armor user]]

Strength, Toughness, Endurance, Analytical Ability, Focus, Spatial Sense: 
[[Siege operator]]

Agility, Analytical Ability, Creativity, Intuition: 
[[Alchemist]], not implemented

Strength, Agility, Analytical Ability, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Knapper]]

Analytical Ability, Creativity, Spatial Sense: 
[[Building designer]]

Analytical Ability, Creativity, Social Awareness: 
[[Organizer]]

Analytical Ability, Memory, Focus: 
[[Record keeper]], [[Student]]

Strength, Agility, Toughness, Willpower, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Axeman]], [[Fighter]], [[Hammerman]], [[Kicker]], [[Knife user]], [[Lasher]], [[Maceman]], [[Misc. object user]], [[Pikeman]], [[Shield user]], [[Spearman]], [[Striker]], [[Swordsman]], [[Thrower]]

Agility, Toughness, Endurance, Willpower, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Dodger]]

Agility, Creativity, Kinesthetic Sense, Linguistic Ability: 
[[Comedian]], unless otherwise prohibited by traits

Linguistic Ability, Empathy, Social Awareness: 
[[Conversationalist]], [[Flatterer]], [[Negotiator]], [[Persuader]], [[Consoler]], [[Leader]], [[Pacifier]], [[Teacher]], unless otherwise prohibited by traits

Agility, Kinesthetic Sense, Linguistic Ability: 
[[Intimidator]], unless otherwise prohibited by traits

Intuition, Empathy, Social Awareness: 
[[Judge of intent]]

Creativity, Linguistic Ability, Social Awareness: 
[[Liar]], unless otherwise prohibited by traits

Focus, Willpower, Patience: 
[[Concentration]], not implemented

Intuition, Focus, Spatial Sense: 
[[Observer]]

Analytical Ability, Creativity, Intuition: 
[[Military tactics]], not implemented

Agility, Toughness, Endurance, Focus, Willpower, Empathy: 
[[Druid]], not implemented

Analytical Ability, Focus, Spatial Sense: 
[[Tracker]], not implemented

Focus, Willpower: 
[[Discipline]], not implemented

Creativity, Intuition, Linguistic Ability: 
[[Poet]], [[Wordsmith]], [[Writer]], not implemented

Memory, Focus, Linguistic Ability: 
[[Reader]], not implemented

Linguistic Ability: 
[[Speaker]], not implemented

Agility, Spatial Sense, Kinesthetic Sense: 
[[Coordination]], not implemented

Implemented but unknown:
Shearer, Spinner, Presser, Beekeeper, Potter, Glazer, Wax worker

Notes:
This data assumes, without evidence, that the same skills use some of the attributes that they train (i.e. that high agility improves chance of dodging). Game version 31.18.

*Spatial Sense and Kinesthetic Sense are almost everywhere
*Nothing trains Disease Resistance, Recuperation, or Musicality
*Intimidation and Comedy, social skills, raise Agility. Dwarven comedy is slapstick/clowning, not stand-up.
*knowledge_acquisition (student) doesn't boost skill gain except for teacher-student relations in a barracks
*Choose high-volume labors that train useful attributes for milita day-jobs/bootcamp
*Fishing, Siege Operating, and Record Keeping are useful for marksdwarves as they train the Focus attribute
*Hunting (ambusher/sneak) has identical attribute gain to Crossbow and Archer skills

===Attributes trained by skills===
'''Strength''':

Miner, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Mason, Bone doctor, Brewer, Cheese maker, Dyer, Grower, Lye maker, Milker, Miller, Potash Maker, Soaper, Thresher, Wood burner, Fisherdwarf, Armorsmith, Furnace operator, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Pump operator, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Swimmer, all general combat and close combat skills (but not Dodger)

'''Agility''':

Bowyer, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Engraver, Mason, Animal caretaker, Animal trainer, Trapper, Bone doctor, Crutch-walker, Surgeon, Suturer, Wound dresser, Brewer, Butcher, Cheese maker, Cook, Dyer, Grower, Herbalist, Milker, Miller, Tanner, Thresher, Fish cleaner, Fish dissector, Fisherdwarf, Armorsmith, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem cutter, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Alchemist, Swimmer, Comedian, Intimidator, Student, Druid, Coordination, all general combat, close combat, and ranged combat/hunting skills (but not Biter or Armor user)

'''Toughness''':

Miner, Animal trainer, Lye maker, Potash maker, Soaper, Wood burner, Furnace operator, Pump operator, Siege operator, Druid, all general combat and close combat skills

'''Endurance''':

Miner, Wood cutter, Mason, Animal trainer, Crutch-walker, Butcher, Cheese maker, Dyer, Grower, Lye maker, Milker, Miller, Potash maker, Soaper, Thresher, Wood burner, Fish cleaner, Armorsmith, Furnace operator, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Pump operator, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Swimmer, Armor user, Biter, Dodger, Druid

'''Disease Resistance''':

Nothing!

'''Recuperation''':

Nothing!

'''Analytical Ability''':

Animal caretaker, Trapper, Diagnostician, Cheese maker, Cook, Furnace operator, Gem cutter, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Alchemist, Knapper, Appraiser, Building designer, Organizer, Record keeper, Student, Military tactics, Tracker

'''Memory''':

Animal caretaker, Diagnostician, Herbalist, Appraiser, Record keeper, Student, Reader

'''Creativity''':

Bowyer, Carpenter, Engraver, Mason, Trapper, Cheese maker, Cook, Armorsmith, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Alchemist, Building designer, Organizer, Comedian, Liar, Military tactics, Poet, Wordsmith, Writer

'''Intuition''':

Animal trainer, Diagnostician, Alchemist, Appraiser, Observer, Military tactics, Poet, Wordsmith, Writer

'''Focus''':

Bone doctor, Surgeon, Suturer, Fisherdwarf, Siege operator, Record keeper, Concentration, Observer, Student, Tracker, Discipline, Reader, ranged combat/hunting skills

'''Willpower''':

Miner, Wood cutter, Crutch-walker, Pump operator, Swimmer, Concentration, Discipline, all general combat and close combat skills

'''Patience''':

Animal trainer, Fisherdwarf, Concentration

'''Spatial Sense''':

Miner, Bowyer, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Engraver, Mason, Trapper, Bone doctor, Crutch-walker, Surgeon, Suturer, Wound dresser, Armorsmith, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem cutter, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Swimmer, Knapper, Building designer, Observer, Tracker, Coordination, all general combat, close combat, and ranged combat/hunting skills (but not Armor user)

'''Kinesthetic Sense''':

Miner, Bowyer, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Engraver, Mason, Bone doctor, Crutch-walker, Surgeon, Suturer, Wound dresser, Brewer, Butcher, Cheese maker, Cook, Dyer, Grower, Herbalist, Lye maker, Milker, Miller, Potash Maker, Soaper, Tanner, Thresher, Wood burner, Fish cleaner, Fish dissector, Fisherdwarf, Armorsmith, Furnace operator, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem cutter, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Strand extractor, Pump operator, Swimmer, Knapper, Comedian, Intimidator, Coordination, all general combat, close combat, and ranged combat/hunting skills

'''Linguistic Ability''':

Comedian, Conversationalist, Flatterer, Intimidator, Liar, Negotiator, Persuader, Consoler, Leader, Pacifier, Teacher, Poet, Wordsmith, Writer, Reader, Speaker (personality traits may preclude access to some of these skills)

'''Musicality''':

Nothing!

'''Empathy''':

Animal caretaker, Animal trainer, Conversationalist, Flatterer, Judge of intent, Negotiator, Persuader, Consoler, Leader, Pacifier, Teacher (personality traits may preclude access to some of these skills)

'''Social Awareness''':

Organizer, Conversationalist, Flatterer, Judge of intent, Liar, Negotiator, Persuader, Consoler, Leader, Pacifier, Teacher (personality traits may preclude access to some of these skills)

== How Your Dwarf Gets Attributes ==

Each attribute is a number between 0 and 5000, but in dwarven terms anything above 2500 is extraordinary. In the default raws (/raw/objects/creature_standard.txt), dwarven attributes come in four levels.

Focus and Spatial Sense are referred to as "++", or two steps above default. Their range is defined as [700:1200:1400:1500:1600:1800:2500], which sets out six ranges: 700-1200, 1200-1400, etc. Dwarves have an equal chance of dropping into any of these ranges, and an equal probability again of getting any number in that range. So the bottom one-sixth of your dwarves will be really low, the top one-sixth really high, and the two-thirds in the middle huddled around average. This also means that the median and the mean are slightly different: the mean for ++ is 1516.66... while median is 1500.

Strength, Toughness, Analytical Ability, Creativity, Patience, and Memory are +, or one step above default. Their ranges are [450:950:1150:1250:1350:1550:2250], and their mean is 1266.66...

Endurance, Disease Resistance, Recuperation, Intuition, Willpower, Kinesthetic Sense, Linguistic Ability, Musicality, Empathy, and Social Awareness are AVG, or the default. Their ranges are not specified in the raws, but they are [200:700:900:1000:1100:1300:2000] for Physical and [200:800:900:1000:1100:1300:2000] for Mental.

Agility is "-", the only attribute to be below default. Its ranges are [150:600:800:900:1000:1100:1500], mean 862.5, median 900.

==Special Attributes==
Though they are not classified with the above attributes, creatures can have the following attribute(s):

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! Attribute
! Value Range
! Value Points
! Effect
|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
! rowspan=4 | Psychological Trauma
| 100
| Doesn't really care about anything anymore.
| rowspan=3 | This trait increases as dwarves witness death and suffer tragedy. The higher it gets, the harder it is for the dwarf to be affected by negative thoughts, so in several ways, this is a useful, if tragic, side effect of running a bloody fort. This trait often finds its way into experienced [[military|soldiers]], who might watch [[friend|friends]] and comrades die as often as they kill [[goblin|goblins]].
|-
| 67 - 99
| Is a hardened individual.
|-
| 33 - 66
| Is getting used to tragedy.
|-
| 0 - 32
|
| Nothing displayed. Dwarf is not yet traumatized.
|}

v0.34:Attribute

2025-01-28T18:22:19Z

Eerr: fixed typo

{{Quality|Exceptional|20:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)}}
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A creature has numerous attributes which affect its performance at various tasks. These attributes are split into physical factors associated with the body and mental factors associated with a creature's soul.

Attributes can be viewed in the Thoughts and Preferences screen. Body attributes are listed just above prefstrings, and soul attributes are listed immediately thereafter. Positive attributes are shown in dark green while negative attributes are shown in red.

Attributes are associated with skills, so that shield use will raise endurance as an attribute, but not attributes like memory. Different attributes raised by one skill may not be raised by the same amount. Attribute gain and rust rates, along with skill gain and rust rates, are moddable in the raws as a [[Creature token]].

Attributes can be viewed for individual dwarves by selecting {{k|v}}iew dwarves, {{k|z}}, {{k|enter}} or by going to the {{k|u}}nits menu, {{k|v}}iew, then {{k|enter}}.

==Body Attributes==
The attribute values given in the tables correspond to default racial averages for dwarves only. Modded dwarves or any other creature will report the same phrases, but the underlying numbers may be very different. In almost every case, a higher attribute value is better, as opposed to [[personality trait]]s where one may prefer higher or lower depending on the situation.

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===Strength===
Alters the damage done in melee (increases velocity of weapon swings), increases muscle mass (thicker muscle layer also resists damage more), and increases how much a creature can carry. Higher strength also increases the speed with which a creature, even a naked creature, may move.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || unbelievably strong
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || mighty
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || very strong
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || strong
|-
| 751 - 1000 || weak
|-
| 501 - 750 || very weak
|-
| 251 - 500 || unquestionably weak
|-
| 0 - 250 || unfathomably weak
|}

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===Agility===
This attribute increases the [[speed]] at which a creature works in the same way as strength -- a creature with maximum agility and strength can move around three times faster than a creature with minimum agility and strength.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (-)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 1900 - 5000 || amazingly agile
|-
| 1650 - 1899 || extremely agile
|-
| 1400 - 1649 || very agile
|-
| 1150 - 1399 || agile
|-
| 401 - 650 || clumsy
|-
| 151 - 400 || quite clumsy
|-
| 0 - 150 || totally clumsy
|-
| NULL || abysmally clumsy
|}

|-
|

===Toughness===
Reduces physical damage.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || basically unbreakable
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || incredibly tough
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || quite durable
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || tough
|-
| 751 - 1000 || flimsy
|-
| 501 - 750 || very flimsy
|-
| 251 - 500 || remarkably flimsy
|-
| 0 - 250 || shockingly fragile
|}

|
===Endurance===
Reduces the rate at which dwarves become exhausted.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || absolutely inexhaustible
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || indefatigable
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || very slow to tire
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || slow to tire
|-
| 501 - 750 || quick to tire
|-
| 251 - 500 || very quick to tire
|-
| 1 - 250 || extremely quick to tire
|-
| 0 || truly quick to tire
|}

|-
|
===Recuperation===
Increases the rate of wound healing.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || possessed of amazing recuperative powers
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || incredibly quick to heal
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || quite quick to heal
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || quick to heal
|-
| 501 - 750 || slow to heal
|-
| 251 - 500 || very slow to heal
|-
| 1 - 250 || really slow to heal
|-
| 0 || shockingly slow to heal
|}

|
===Disease Resistance===
Reduces the risk of disease.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || virtually never sick
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || almost never sick
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || very rarely sick
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || rarely sick
|-
| 501 - 750 || susceptible to disease
|-
| 251 - 500 || quite susceptible to disease
|-
| 1 - 250 || really susceptible to disease
|-
| 0 || stunningly susceptible to disease
|}
|}

=== Skills By Body Attribute ===
{{SkillsByBodyAttribute}}

==Soul Attributes==
The attribute values given in the tables correspond to default racial averages for dwarves only. Modded dwarves or any other creature will report the same phrases, but the underlying numbers may be very different. In almost every case, a higher attribute value is better, as opposed to [[personality trait]]s where one may prefer higher or lower depending on the situation.

From [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60554.msg1413312#msg1413312 this post by Toady One]

With respect to skills: most of these attributes only affect duration, when that is the only available skill effect to begin with, but they are factored into outcomes when it applies.

At the [[#Skills By Soul Attribute|bottom]] is a list of which attributes affect which skills. [[:Image:DFmental.PNG|This]] pair of charts provides an easier to read summary of the soul attributes that are useful for doctors and soldiers.

{|
|-
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===Analytical Ability===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || awesome intellectual powers
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || great analytical abilities
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a sharp intellect
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a good intellect
|-
| 751 - 1000 || poor analytical abilities
|-
| 501 - 750 || very bad analytical abilities
|-
| 251 - 500 || a lousy intellect
|-
| 0 - 250 || a stunning lack of analytical ability
|}

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===Focus===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (++)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2542 - 5000 || unbreakable focus
|-
| 2292 - 2541 || a great ability to focus
|-
| 2042 - 2291 || very good focus
|-
| 1792 - 2041 || the ability to focus
|-
| 1043 - 1292 || poor focus
|-
| 793 - 1042 || quite poor focus
|-
| 543 - 792 || really poor focus
|-
| 0 - 542 || the absolute inability to focus
|}

|-
|
===Willpower===
Willpower directly reduces exertion and pain effects.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an unbreakable will
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || an iron will
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a lot of willpower
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || willpower
|-
| 501 - 750 || little willpower
|-
| 251 - 500 || a large deficit of willpower
|-
| 1 - 250 || next to no willpower
|-
| 0 || absolutely no willpower
|}

|
===Creativity===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || a boundless creative imagination
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || great creativity
|-
| 1751 - 1999 || very good creativity
|-
| 1500 - 1750 || good creativity
|-
| 751 - 1000 || meager creativity
|-
| 501 - 750 || poor creativity
|-
| 251 - 500 || lousy creativity
|-
| 0 - 250 || next to no creative talent
|}

|-
|

===Intuition===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || uncanny intuition
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || great intuition
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || very good intuition
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || good intuition
|-
| 501 - 750 || bad intuition
|-
| 251 - 500 || very bad intuition
|-
| 1 - 250 || lousy intuition
|-
| 0 || horrible intuition
|}

|
===Patience===
Some non-skill tasks are affected by Patience.
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || absolutely boundless patience
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || a deep well of patience
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great deal of patience
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a sum of patience
|-
| 751 - 1000 || a shortage of patience
|-
| 501 - 750 || little patience
|-
| 251 - 500 || very little patience
|-
| 0 - 250 || no patience at all
|}

|-
|
===Memory===

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (+)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2250 - 5000 || an astonishing memory
|-
| 2000 - 2249 || an amazing memory
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great memory
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a good memory
|-
| 751 - 1000 || an iffy memory
|-
| 501 - 750 || a poor memory
|-
| 251 - 500 || a really bad memory
|-
| 0 - 250 || little memory to speak of
|}

|

===Linguistic Ability===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an astonishing ability with languages and words
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great affinity for language
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a natural inclination toward language
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a way with words
|-
| 501 - 750 || a little difficulty with words
|-
| 251 - 500 || little linguistic ability
|-
| 1 - 250 || very little linguistic ability
|-
| 0 || difficulty with words and language
|}

|-
|
===Spatial Sense===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (++)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2542 - 5000 || a stunning feel for spatial relationships
|-
| 2292 - 2541 || an amazing spatial sense
|-
| 2042 - 2291 || a great feel for the surrounding space
|-
| 1792 - 2041 || a good spatial sense
|-
| 1043 - 1292 || a questionable spatial sense
|-
| 793 - 1042 || poor spatial senses
|-
| 543 - 792 || an atrocious spatial sense
|-
| 0 - 542 || no sense for spatial relationships
|}

|
===Musicality===
This attribute doesn't affect any skills.
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an astonishing knack for music
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great musical sense
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a natural ability with music
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a feel for music
|-
| 501 - 750 || an iffy sense for music
|-
| 251 - 500 || little natural inclination toward music
|-
| 1 - 250 || next to no natural musical ability
|-
| 0 || absolutely no feel for music at all
|}

|-
|
===Kinesthetic Sense===
Most skills involving any movement at all (lots of them), and many non-skilled tasks as well are affected by Kinesthetic Sense.

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an astounding feel for the position of own body
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great kinesthetic sense
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a very good sense of the position of own body
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a good kinesthetic sense
|-
| 501 - 750 || a meager kinesthetic sense
|-
| 251 - 500 || a poor kinesthetic sense
|-
| 1 - 250 || a very clumsy kinesthetic sense
|-
| 0 || an unbelievably atrocious sense of the position of own body
|}

|
===Empathy===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || an absolutely remarkable sense of others' emotions
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great sense of empathy
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a very good sense of empathy
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || an ability to read emotions fairly well
|-
| 501 - 750 || poor empathy
|-
| 251 - 500 || a very bad sense of empathy
|-
| 1 - 250 || next to no empathy
|-
| 0 || the utter inability to judge others' emotions
|}

|-
|
===Social Awareness===
{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! style="width:8em" | Value (AVG)
! Description

|- style="border-top: 3px solid #aaa"
| 2000 - 5000 || a shockingly profound feel for social relationships
|-
| 1750 - 1999 || a great feel for social relationships
|-
| 1500 - 1749 || a very good feel for social relationships
|-
| 1250 - 1499 || a good feel for social relationships
|-
| 501 - 750 || a meager ability with social relationships
|-
| 251 - 500 || a poor ability to manage or understand social relationships
|-
| 1 - 250 || a lack of understanding of social relationships
|-
| 0 || an absolute inability to understand social relationships
|}
|}
=== Skills By Soul Attribute ===
{{SkillsBySoulAttribute}}

== Skills by Associated Attributes ==
:''If your browser cannot display this table properly you can view the [[Attribute_table_old|legacy version]].''

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" style="border-spacing: 0; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; text-align:center;"
|- style="background:#e5e5e5;text-align:left;vertical-align:bottom;"
! style="text-align:center;" | Skill
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Agility|Agility]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Analytical_Ability|Analytical Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Creativity|Creativity]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Empathy|Empathy]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Endurance|Endurance]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Focus|Focus]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Intuition|Intuition]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Kinesthetic_Sense|Kinesthetic Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Linguistic_Ability|Linguistic Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Memory|Memory]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Patience|Patience]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Social_Awareness|Social Awareness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Spatial_Sense|Spatial Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Strength|Strength]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Toughness|Toughness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Willpower|Willpower]]}}
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Ambusher]] || {{X}} || || || || || {{X}} || || {{X}} || || || || || {{X}} || || ||
|-
| [[Animal caretaker]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Animal dissector]] ||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || || || ||
|-
| [[Animal trainer]] ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Appraiser]] || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||
|-
| [[Archer]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Armor user]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| {{X}}
|-
| [[Armorsmith]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Biter]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| {{X}}
|-
| [[Blowgunner]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Bone carver]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-
| [[Bone doctor]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Bowman]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-
| [[Bowyer]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Brewer]] ||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Building designer]] || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Butcher]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Carpenter]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Cheese maker]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Clothier]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|- style="background:#e5e5e5;text-align:left;vertical-align:bottom;"
! style="text-align:center;" | Skill
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Agility|Agility]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Analytical_Ability|Analytical Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Creativity|Creativity]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Empathy|Empathy]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Endurance|Endurance]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Focus|Focus]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Intuition|Intuition]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Kinesthetic_Sense|Kinesthetic Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Linguistic_Ability|Linguistic Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Memory|Memory]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Patience|Patience]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Social_Awareness|Social Awareness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Spatial_Sense|Spatial Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Strength|Strength]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Toughness|Toughness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Willpower|Willpower]]}}
|-
| Combat(*) ||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| {{X}}
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Comedian]](**) ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||
|-
| [[Cook]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Crossbowman]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-
| [[Crutch walker]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || {{X}}
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Diagnostician]] || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||
|-
| [[Dodger]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| {{X}}
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Dyer]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Engraver]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Fish cleaner]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || || || ||
|-
| [[Fish dissector]] ||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Fisherdwarf]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Furnace operator]] || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Gem cutter]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-
| [[Gem setter]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Glassmaker]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Grower]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Herbalist]] ||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||
|-
| [[Intimidator]](**) ||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Judge of intent]] || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || ||
|-
|- style="background:#e5e5e5;text-align:left;vertical-align:bottom;"
! style="text-align:center;" | Skill
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Agility|Agility]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Analytical_Ability|Analytical Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Creativity|Creativity]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Empathy|Empathy]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Endurance|Endurance]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Focus|Focus]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Intuition|Intuition]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Kinesthetic_Sense|Kinesthetic Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Linguistic_Ability|Linguistic Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Memory|Memory]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Patience|Patience]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Social_Awareness|Social Awareness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Spatial_Sense|Spatial Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Strength|Strength]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Toughness|Toughness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Willpower|Willpower]]}}
|-
| [[Knapper]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Leatherworker]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Liar]](**) || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Lye maker]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||
|-
| [[Mason]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Mechanic]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Metal crafter]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Metalsmith]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Milker]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Miller]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Miner]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| {{X}}
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Observer]] || || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-
| [[Organizer]] || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Potash maker]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||
|-
| [[Pump operator]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| {{X}}
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Record keeper]] || ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||
|-
| [[Siege engineer]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Siege operator]] || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}||
|-
| [[Soaper]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| Social(***) || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || ||
|- style="background:#e5e5e5;text-align:left;vertical-align:bottom;"
! style="text-align:center;" | Skill
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Agility|Agility]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Analytical_Ability|Analytical Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Creativity|Creativity]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Empathy|Empathy]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Endurance|Endurance]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Focus|Focus]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Intuition|Intuition]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Kinesthetic_Sense|Kinesthetic Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Linguistic_Ability|Linguistic Ability]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Memory|Memory]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Patience|Patience]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Social_Awareness|Social Awareness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Spatial_Sense|Spatial Sense]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Strength|Strength]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Toughness|Toughness]]}}
{{Rotated-heading|[[#Willpower|Willpower]]}}
|-
| [[Stone crafter]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Strand extractor]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Student]] || ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Surgeon]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-
| [[Suturer]] ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Swimmer]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || {{X}}
|-
| [[Tanner]] ||{{X}}|| || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || || || || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Thresher]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Trapper]] ||{{X}}||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || || || || || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Weaponsmith]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| ||
|-
| [[Weaver]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Wood crafter]] ||{{X}}|| ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-
| [[Wood cutter]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || {{X}}
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Wood burner]] || || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}||
|-
| [[Wound dresser]] ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}|| || ||
|-style="background:#f5f5f5;"
| [[Wrestler]] ||{{X}}|| || || ||{{X}}|| || ||{{X}}|| || || || ||{{X}}||{{X}}|| || {{X}}
|}

(*) Combat skills: [[Axeman]], [[Fighter]], [[Hammerman]], [[Kicker]], [[Knife user]], [[Lasher]], [[Maceman]], [[Misc. object user]], [[Pikeman]], [[Shield user]], [[Spearman]], [[Striker]], [[Swordsman]], [[Thrower]]. Does ''not'' include [[Dodger]].

(**) Unless otherwise prohibited by traits.

(***) Social skills: [[Conversationalist]], [[Flatterer]], [[Negotiator]], [[Persuader]], [[Consoler]], [[Leader]], [[Pacifier]], [[Teacher]], unless otherwise prohibited by traits. Does ''not'' include [[Comedian]], [[Intimidator]], [[Judge of intent]], or [[Liar]].

Implemented but unknown:
[[Shearer]], [[Spinner]], [[Presser]], [[Beekeeper]], [[Potter]], [[Glazer]], [[Wax worker]]

Notes:
This data assumes, without evidence, that the same skills use some of the attributes that they train (i.e. that high agility improves chance of dodging). Game version 31.18.

*Spatial Sense and Kinesthetic Sense are almost everywhere
*Nothing trains Disease Resistance, Recuperation, or Musicality
*Intimidation and Comedy, social skills, raise Agility. Dwarven comedy is slapstick/clowning, not stand-up.
*knowledge_acquisition (student) doesn't boost skill gain except for teacher-student relations in a barracks
*Choose high-volume labors that train useful attributes for milita day-jobs/bootcamp
*Fishing, Siege Operating, and Record Keeping are useful for marksdwarves as they train the Focus attribute
*Hunting (ambusher/sneak) has identical attribute gain to Crossbow and Archer skills

===Attributes trained by skills===
'''Strength''':

Miner, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Mason, Bone doctor, Brewer, Cheese maker, Dyer, Grower, Lye maker, Milker, Miller, Potash Maker, Soaper, Thresher, Wood burner, Fisherdwarf, Armorsmith, Furnace operator, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Pump operator, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Swimmer, all general combat and close combat skills (but not Dodger)

'''Agility''':

Bowyer, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Engraver, Mason, Animal caretaker, Animal trainer, Trapper, Bone doctor, Crutch-walker, Surgeon, Suturer, Wound dresser, Brewer, Butcher, Cheese maker, Cook, Dyer, Grower, Herbalist, Milker, Miller, Tanner, Thresher, Fish cleaner, Fish dissector, Fisherdwarf, Armorsmith, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem cutter, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Alchemist, Swimmer, Comedian, Intimidator, Student, Druid, Coordination, all general combat, close combat, and ranged combat/hunting skills (but not Biter or Armor user)

'''Toughness''':

Miner, Animal trainer, Lye maker, Potash maker, Soaper, Wood burner, Furnace operator, Pump operator, Siege operator, Druid, all general combat and close combat skills

'''Endurance''':

Miner, Wood cutter, Mason, Animal trainer, Crutch-walker, Butcher, Cheese maker, Dyer, Grower, Lye maker, Milker, Miller, Potash maker, Soaper, Thresher, Wood burner, Fish cleaner, Armorsmith, Furnace operator, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Pump operator, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Swimmer, Armor user, Biter, Dodger, Druid

'''Disease Resistance''':

Nothing!

'''Recuperation''':

Swimming while drowning(Slow gain) {{Verify}}, Recovering from wounds {{Verify}}

'''Analytical Ability''':

Animal caretaker, Trapper, Diagnostician, Cheese maker, Cook, Furnace operator, Gem cutter, Strand extractor, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Alchemist, Knapper, Appraiser, Building designer, Organizer, Record keeper, Student, Military tactics, Tracker

'''Memory''':

Animal caretaker, Diagnostician, Herbalist, Appraiser, Record keeper, Student, Reader

'''Creativity''':

Bowyer, Carpenter, Engraver, Mason, Trapper, Cheese maker, Cook, Armorsmith, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Alchemist, Building designer, Organizer, Comedian, Liar, Military tactics, Poet, Wordsmith, Writer

'''Intuition''':

Animal trainer, Diagnostician, Alchemist, Appraiser, Observer, Military tactics, Poet, Wordsmith, Writer

'''Focus''':

Bone doctor, Surgeon, Suturer, Fisherdwarf, Siege operator, Record keeper, Concentration, Observer, Student, Tracker, Discipline, Reader, ranged combat/hunting skills

'''Willpower''':

Miner, Wood cutter, Crutch-walker, Pump operator, Swimmer, Concentration, Discipline, all general combat and close combat skills

'''Patience''':

Animal trainer, Fisherdwarf, Concentration

'''Spatial Sense''':

Miner, Bowyer, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Engraver, Mason, Trapper, Bone doctor, Crutch-walker, Surgeon, Suturer, Wound dresser, Armorsmith, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem cutter, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Mechanic, Siege engineer, Siege operator, Swimmer, Knapper, Building designer, Observer, Tracker, Coordination, all general combat, close combat, and ranged combat/hunting skills (but not Armor user)

'''Kinesthetic Sense''':

Miner, Bowyer, Carpenter, Wood cutter, Engraver, Mason, Bone doctor, Crutch-walker, Surgeon, Suturer, Wound dresser, Brewer, Butcher, Cheese maker, Cook, Dyer, Grower, Herbalist, Lye maker, Milker, Miller, Potash Maker, Soaper, Tanner, Thresher, Wood burner, Fish cleaner, Fish dissector, Fisherdwarf, Armorsmith, Furnace operator, Metal crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith, Gem cutter, Gem setter, Bone carver, Clothier, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Stone crafter, Weaver, Wood crafter, Strand extractor, Pump operator, Swimmer, Knapper, Comedian, Intimidator, Coordination, all general combat, close combat, and ranged combat/hunting skills

'''Linguistic Ability''':

Comedian, Conversationalist, Flatterer, Intimidator, Liar, Negotiator, Persuader, Consoler, Leader, Pacifier, Teacher, Poet, Wordsmith, Writer, Reader, Speaker (personality traits may preclude access to some of these skills)

'''Musicality''':

Nothing!

'''Empathy''':

Animal caretaker, Animal trainer, Conversationalist, Flatterer, Judge of intent, Negotiator, Persuader, Consoler, Leader, Pacifier, Teacher (personality traits may preclude access to some of these skills)

'''Social Awareness''':

Organizer, Conversationalist, Flatterer, Judge of intent, Liar, Negotiator, Persuader, Consoler, Leader, Pacifier, Teacher (personality traits may preclude access to some of these skills)

== How Your Dwarf Gets Attributes ==

Each attribute is a number between 0 and 5000, but in dwarven terms anything below 200 is rare [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5882] and anything above 2500 is extraordinary. In the default raws (/raw/objects/creature_standard.txt), dwarven attributes come in four levels.

Focus and Spatial Sense are referred to as "++", or two steps above default. Their range is defined as [700:1200:1400:1500:1600:1800:2500], which sets out six ranges: 700-1200, 1200-1400, etc. Dwarves have an equal chance of dropping into any of these ranges, and an equal probability again of getting any number in that range. So the bottom one-sixth of your dwarves will be really low, the top one-sixth really high, and the two-thirds in the middle huddled around average. This also means that the median and the mean are slightly different: the mean for ++ is 1516.66... while median is 1500.

Strength, Toughness, Analytical Ability, Creativity, Patience, and Memory are +, or one step above default. Their ranges are [450:950:1150:1250:1350:1550:2250], and their mean is 1266.66...

Endurance, Disease Resistance, Recuperation, Intuition, Willpower, Kinesthetic Sense, Linguistic Ability, Musicality, Empathy, and Social Awareness are AVG, or the default. Their ranges are not specified in the raws, but they are [200:700:900:1000:1100:1300:2000] for Physical and [200:800:900:1000:1100:1300:2000] for Mental.

Agility is "-", the only attribute to be below default. Its ranges are [150:600:800:900:1000:1100:1500], mean 862.5, median 900.

== Gaining Attributes ==

It would seem that various skills train various attributes at different rates. For Physical Attributes and Willpower, military training works best. It relatively quickly gives a Dwarf some extra Agility and Strength, making him walk and work faster in all areas (According to [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121573.msg3944723#msg3944723] speed is a factor in determining how fast a labor is completed).

Attributes are capped in Adventure mode and probably also in Dwarf mode. Those caps are governed by MENT_ATT_CAP_PERC and PHYS_ATT_CAP_PERC. By default the maximum attribute values (barring increases from vampirism and other interactions) are governed by the starting value as well as the median for that caste (that is the middle value in PHYS_ATT_RANGE, for example 1000 for most attributes for Dwarves).
attribute_cap = starting_value + max {starting_value, median}

The speed of learning attributes is governed by "cost to improve" in PHYS_ATT_RATES and MENT_ATT_RATES. By default CTI for attributes is 500, which means the counter for using that attribute has to be incremented 500 times for the Dwarf to gain 1 in that attribute. The lower the CTI, the faster an attribute increases. According to [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=66525.msg3993120#msg3993120] the counter is incremented every ten ticks a skill using that attribute is in use. This means it takes 5000 TUs or just over 4 in-game days of continuous labor to improve an attribute by 1. The improved attribute gain from military training may stem from the fact, that sparring and individual combat drills train multiple skills at the same time.

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== Thread links on Main Page ==

Hi There - I'm relatively new to the DFwiki, and I noticed that some of the thread links on the Main Page don't work correctly. I logged in to try and edit the page, but when it wasn't an available option, I realized that it is probably restricted to administrators, given the 'please report vandalism' thing in the site announcements header.

The Team17 forums have closed, so the Team17 link is a dead one.
The SomethingAwful.com forums link is behind a login wall, so I'm not sure if you would want to remove this as well? I believe that they do occasionally rotate forums (such as Games) to be available to non-logged in users though, so it would perhaps be available intermittently.
:*<s>[http://forum.team17.com/showthread.php?t{{=}}30824 Team17 Forum Thread]</s>
:*<s>[http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid{{=}}3466523 Something Awful]</s>
:Agreed and removed. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The Penny Arcade thread is also no longer available or at least incorrectly linked. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Ispil|Ispil]]
:Removed. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The dead links are back. [[Special:Contributions/88.195.209.206|88.195.209.206]] 15:04, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

== Fun Comic ==

What happened to the Fun Comic at the Losing page?--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 21:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

:Weird. We had a problem with an image server a while back, so this may be related. I'll get Briess to check on it. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

::Good to know (and to help). In case the file's lost, there's a crawl of it at the [https://web.archive.org/web/20130512135455/http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png Internet Archive]. I also observed similar problems over at the [[Dwarf Fortress webcomics]] page.--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 21:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

:::[[:File:Comic df3.png]] doesn't have an edit history ([http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Comic_df3.png&action=history]), which usually means that it hasn't been uploaded, although that could be incorrect. Same for the rest of them, except [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=File:FunComic.png&action=history FunComic.png]. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
::::I'm rebuilding all the images now. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
::::The problem should now be fixed. It appears any time one of the webnodes loses a connection to the image server, it starts invalidating the images in question. I'll investigate ways to automatically rebuild the images when that happens. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 22:02, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

== Amount of double redirects or ''how to fix them?'' ==

I come across several cases of double redirection which, as stated both here and in the rest of the wikiverse, are not a good thing to have.

Recently I found about the [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] page. There are roughly 350 double redirects on the wiki. From experience here, they could be easily fixed, because most redirect to the alternate name of the page, instead of the proper page itself.

As I've been adverted slightly due to a wrong fix I did I ask now if there are a set of guidelines, particularly because of the namespace usage here, that are or can be used to begin a duplicate removal process (which as stated, would be a mostly trivial thing to do, albeit costly in time).--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 17:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
*Originally, the policy was to deliberately use double redirects when going from the global namespace to version-specific namespaces and then to specific articles within those namespaces (e.g. "Green glass" -> "DF2012:Green glass" -> "DF2012:Glass") to avoid problems when new pages were created (e.g. if "Green glass" redirected straight to "DF2012:Glass" and somebody created "DF2012:Green glass" as full page, then "Green glass" wouldn't redirect to it properly). I don't know what the actual policies are anymore, though - perhaps one of the admins can chime in with more information. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 18:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

::That actually doesn't work. I moved the grazer information to the grazer article last week, and, until it was fixed today, [[main:grazer]] was still linking to [[DF2012:pasture]]. It appears the wiki software is caching the double redirect, so it behaves similarly to an un-updated single redirect. Sure the errant redirect can be fixed, but so can a single redirect. In some regards the double redirect is worse, because everything looks correct, yet it doesn't work. The underlying fact is that the wiki software was not intended to support double redirects, and it does so poorly at best. The current policy is available at [[DF:REDIR]], though it isn't set in stone.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

:For now, I only recommend changing double redirects to point directly to the destination page ''if they don't work''. They ''should'' all work, but some of them don't and there isn't a single, definitive reason we've found yet. Basically, feel free to change non-working double redirects, but you don't need to go through the list and change all 350 of them. (This wiki is actually set up to allow up to 10 consecutive redirects, unlike most [[wikipedia:WMF|WMF]] wikis, but since that feature isn't used by many wikis it tends not to be perfect.) —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

== Main Page New Version ==

Toady has announced the new version is due around the beginning of July 2014 (which is pretty soon). This is as big as DF news gets. There should be an announcement and link on the front page. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:‎67.170.60.84|‎67.170.60.84]]
:What exactly are you suggesting? Aside from a wiki-specific announcement regarding migrating the wiki to the new namespace, I don't see a reason to announce the upcoming release here – anyone who reads the devlog or forums already knows, and very few of those who don't would check the main page of this wiki regularly instead. Also, what link are you referring to (devlog, Bay 12 report)? —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

== Raw errors ==

There is something up with the raws for a few of the trees:
*[[DF2014:Alder/raw]]
*[[DF2014:Ash (tree)/raw]]
It appears to be spill over from the previous entry. Any idea how to fix this? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 03:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

:This is actually intentional, since comments (i.e. non-raw text) in the raws usually refer to the raws following them (see most creature pages). It shouldn't be affecting the templates that look up information from the raws, but let me know if it is. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

== Object Testing Arena: Helmet Snake ==

For some reason I cant spawn them in Object testing arena. When I was looking through Syndromes I came across it and saw how many effects it has and thought I might have some fun with it. When I searched for it, it didn't show up? Can someone help me with this problem Thank you.

== Put Japanese language wiki on sidebar ==

Can't seem to figure out how to do it myself. [http://dwarffortress.if.land.to/ link to the wiki.] [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 12:04, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:Do you mean an [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki interwiki] link? —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
::Can't really see what else I would mean. We have the french and russian one up there, why not the japanese? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 04:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
:::It requires database access, apparently, which I don't have. Aside from installing or putting together an extension to handle this (which I plan to do eventually), [[User:Briess]] is who you should ask. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:57, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sidebar ad format breaks Webkit ==

I have the site loaded up on my WiiU, which uses Webkit as the rendering engine, and I noticed a small issue with the positioning of the sidebar ad. I have div#p-googleadsense.portal at 160px by 655px, right on the edge of the screen. The div.body just inside is 140px by 611px, slightly smaller. However, the ins#aswitf_1_expand inside ''that'' is 160px by 600px - 20px wider than the div.body (but the same width as the .portal). This wouldn't be an issue if the ad was right on the edge of the screen, but the div.body has padding specified for 0.5em above, and 1.25em to the left (using the div#mw-panel CSS). My suggestion for fixing would be to force the ad's div.body to use no left margin (forcing this results in a fixed display until another page is loaded), but this requires a modification to the Wiki's core. In any case, just pointing this out so it could hopefully get fixed at some point. [[Special:Contributions/104.172.191.147|104.172.191.147]] 20:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
: Thanks, we'll look into it as part of the upgrade we're doing to the core installation! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 03:44, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

== New sidebar link: Random page in current namespace ==

I have a feature request/suggestion for a new link on the main left sidebar: '''Random page in current namespace'''. Would (at this time) link to: http://dfweb4.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Special:Random/DF2014 (unless there's a Special:Random/<token> that always means the latest NS, which would be better.)

I sometimes want to just browse through random pages, hoping to come across something interesting I'd not seen before/not thought to search for.

Random page is not much help because it is more likely to return pages for old versions than the current. I can go to Random by namespace and click DF2014, but then if I want to keep going through random pages I have to keep hitting back and clicking it again, or make my own bookmark to that link.

It's a small thing but it would be quite handy if there was a link dedicated to Random in the current NS.

[[User:TheBloke|TheBloke]] ([[User talk:TheBloke|talk]]) 13:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

== German forum link dead ==

Under ''Forums'' there is a link to http://www.dwarffortressforum.de/ – however, one gets redirected to http://www.indiegameforum.de/ which yields a “forum not available” message. I suggest to simply remove the link. (I have no edit rights on the main page.) --[[User:Keba|Keba]] ([[User talk:Keba|talk]]) 15:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== DFFD New address ==

DFFD address should maybe be updated to http://dffd.bay12games.com/
--[[Special:Contributions/88.195.209.206|88.195.209.206]] 10:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:Updated. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 21:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

== Can someone fix the spelling ==

It's "dependency" not "dependancy". [[User:Mocha2007|Mocha2007]] ([[User talk:Mocha2007|talk]]) 20:38, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
:Fixed --[[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] ([[User talk:Rriegs|talk]]) 20:47, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

== B12G Discord ==

Hey, guys, can we have this Discord link added: https://discord.gg/sEeK7kX

It's a general B12G chat with a focus on Dwarf Fortress.
--[[User:Shub-Nullgurath|Shub-Nullgurath]] ([[User talk:Shub-Nullgurath|talk]]) 22:12, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== How to create a new language page? ==

I've just seen one dwarf requesting a Japanese page.

If possible, I'll gladly translate this wiki into Korean. Korea is relatively a small country so the language is not that widely used, but surely there are some players, I guess.

I don't know where to ask about this :9

== Free SSL Certificate ==

If the operators want to re-enable https, they can get a free (as in beer) certificate from https://letsencrypt.org/ . Instructions are on that site and it's very easy.
:HTTPS is enabled now as of the June 2019 upgrades. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:53, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

== Re: Discord ==

I notice there's a Discord on this page. But shouldn't it be the Kitfox Games Discord, since that's the only official Discord for Dwarf Fortress?

[[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 13:43, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
;I wasn't aware of it. If that is the case, then it should probably be added to the page. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 16:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, the only reason there is one at all is because somebody added some random one. I changed it to the only DF discord I knew of at the time. The only way I've now been able to find it is to search for 'Kitfox Games discord'. It's not listed on the bay12 links page, a forum thread, the reddit, or the Steam pages. Anyway, I've DMed Victoria on the KitfoxGames discord to make sure they're OK with adding the invite to this page. [[User:Ziusudra|Ziusudra]] ([[User talk:Ziusudra|talk]]) 20:08, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

...Sorry, is it too late for this? I mean, while we're still discussing this, it looks like [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#B12G_Discord someone else got left behind as well]. Add, or not? [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 22:21, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you were trying to link to. Do you mean this: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163555.0 Note that the thread was locked because of drama. There's a lot of red flags: the drama, despite using the name Bay12Games it never uses the word 'unofficial', the rules channel posts are from a deleted user, the announcements channel hasn't updated in well over a year, many channels haven't been active in months. I'm not so much saying no, but I am asking: should it be linked?

There's also this: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=157332.0 But that invite is invalid. [[User:Ziusudra|Ziusudra]] ([[User talk:Ziusudra|talk]]) 02:35, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, it's a ''dead'' discord. I see now. There was just no response to the April '17 topic, I stumbled across it all and got curious. No, I don't think it should be linked. Thanks for the analysis, anyway! [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 11:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

== [[Multithreading]] ==

Would it be OK to create [[Multithreading]] page describing why (preferably with citations)
* even perfectly implemented boost would not be significant
* multithreading is not something that can be bolted on complex program
* DF is complicated case where taking advantage of multithreading is not obvious http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34311.msg7833713#msg7833713
* DF is filled with many gamebreaking bugs unfixed for many years, multithreading bugs are unusually awful to fix
* author of DF has minimal experiences with multithreading
* writing multithreaded code is hard
* writing correct multithreaded code is awfully hard
* fixing bugs in a multithreaded code is nightmare

and multithreading is not going to happen, ever

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34311.msg7833713#msg7833713
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=107833.0
https://bholley.net/blog/2015/must-be-this-tall-to-write-multi-threaded-code.html + “At Mozilla, there is a sign on the wall behind one of our engineer’s desks. The sign has a dark horizontal line, below which is the text, ‘You must be this tall to write multi-threaded code.’ The line is roughly nine feet off the ground. We created Rust to allow us to lower that sign.” http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/files/why-rust.pdf

[[User:Mko|Mko]] ([[User talk:Mko|talk]]) 03:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:I disagree with some of your talking points
:* In DF each AI actor makes its own decisions, the computations can be done in parallel for an ncores speedup
:* This parallelism should be built into the lowest design levels of the program, it can be done in a DF-like program
:* With training and experience a good developer can write and debug multithreaded code.
:I agree that multithreading is unlikely to be done in DF; It can not easily be bolted on and I rather see the developer spend time on game-play.
:Is it worth to create a wiki page for what is essentially a one line explanation?
:--[[User:MathFox|MathFox]] ([[User talk:MathFox|talk]]) 18:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::We would essentially be writing a page about a thing that doesn't matter to Dwarf Fortress. I can't agree to the existence of a page that's basically "This subject doesn't exist in the context of the game but here's the reasons why it should or shouldn't". This is better reserved for forum discussion, not a wiki. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 12:54, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

== Re: Discord II ==

Good morning.

I was confiding with some friends, who had alerted me to the "Unofficial Bay 12 Discord" posted on this Wiki. Simply put, allegations of the use of ableist slurs were thrown, as well as screenshot evidence of using hard racist slurs against people of colour.

I feel that the Unofficial Discord should hereby be removed from the social media part of the website for the following reasons:
* No official connection to Bay 12 or the publishers [and, by extension, every non-Bay12 forum should be removed - especially dead ones]
* This unofficial Discord is actively opposed to the standpoints that Toady One and Threetoe have posted on the bay12games site over the recent days.
* This unofficial Discord uses slurs and other problematic language that actively harms the image of the Dwarf Fortress community
* This unofficial Discord will likely make it so that people steer away from the game.

I do not feel comfortable with the Wiki platforming a known racist Discord server, as that is de facto support of the messages of that server.
[[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 12:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Update: Apparently, this same Discord has been banned from the r/dwarffortress subreddit for as long as one of the mods can remember, and the link to it was banned on the official Kitfox Discord as well. I can post the screenshots I have of actively problematic behaviour on this Discord but I will not do it unless necessary, as the contents are alarming like that which will not be named. [[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 12:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

:I've removed the link. Safe to say, we don't need the wiki to be associated with this sort of people. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 21:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

::The "Unofficial Bay 12 Discord" was already not linked on the main page - the only place it was mentioned is this talk page. Are you talking about that one or the Unofficial Dwarf Fortress Discord that is linked on the main page? The latter does have it's #elfposting channel, but that channel is initially hidden, opt-in only, and clearly labelled as a lawless zone. For an analogy, there are many very awful subreddits, but we still link to reddit - (yeah that's a little different but not much). Otherwise the unofficial DF discord is well modded and such behavior is not allowed in other channels. So, are you certain which discord/channel the screenshots came from? [[User:Ziusudra|Ziusudra]] ([[User talk:Ziusudra|talk]]) 22:29, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Since there's some confusion, AlastríonaCatskill, could you confirm and/or provide some evidence that following the link that was on the main page (removed in [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=253449&oldid=251109]) takes you to the discord that you were referring to? The only reference I can find to a discord removed from the /r/dwarffortress sidebar is for a different discord, not the one that was linked on the main page (although it's possible that just the invite link was different). I just want to make sure that we're removing the right one here. If you have anything that you don't want to share publicly, you can PM me on the forums (same username) or [[Special:EmailUser/Lethosor|email me]] through the wiki, which I think is working. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

:@Lethosor, I have emailed you the relevant images via the link you had created. The Discord that was on the main page and removed today is indeed what was being referred to, especially with the confirmation of the #elfposting channel being from said Discord. In my opinion, @Ziusudra, the inclusion of a problematic part of that community, even as opt-in, is unacceptable in my book for a community to be platformed on this Wiki. [[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 03:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am the owner of the Unofficial Dwarf Fortress discord. I just want to clear a few things up and open a channel of communication.
Several years ago, the original owner of the discord left, in no small part due to all the sexism and racism and such.
After a few days of an having an interim owner, it was given to another user, who onboarded several users as admins, including me.
The new owner tried a lot to curb terrible stuff on the server, however this often lead to drama.

The r/dwarffortress delisting happened after some of that drama spawned a new discord with a more "free speech" orientation,
things spilling over to the forums and other places. Some time after that, she left the server to me, due to the amount of
stress running that place caused her. When I took over I also tried to make it a better place, but with slower and subtler
methods that wouldn't spark drama. Completely disallowing some behaviour outside of #elfposting was part of that,
and later making that channel hidden by default was another. Now, the discord is much much better to be in
than it ever was before, though it still has major flaws. I don't like #elfposting at all myself, but I don't rule with an iron fist nor
do I know what much I can do without sparking massive drama again. Since April this year I have had some plans to make the discord
quite a bit better, however some of my mods have been against it in part due to feeling it would cause bigger problems
(though, as you probably know, some of them participate in #elfposting).
With recent events, both within and outside the DF community, we have decided to move ahead, every mod on board,
with some plans including phasing out the #elfposting channel in a way which will not create large issues for moderation.
It will be fully gone within one (1) week of now.

Also, I am a tad annoyed that you posted about this here but completely neglected contacting us. In the future, could you
please contact me or one of my mods when you have any concerns about the server? I really do care about these things and we need feedback.
—[[User:Lonjil|Lonjil]] ([[User talk:Lonjil|talk]]) 10:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

: Thank you for replying here Lonjil. Unfortunately, I cannot trust your take on this matter for several reasons.
: # One of the moderators has an anti-semitic stereotype profile picture
: # Even if the only place of no censorship is the elfposting channel, and even if it is opt-in, the complete chaos of racist slurs allowed there is completely unacceptable for minority players and an extremely toxic environment. There have been instances of straight hate speech on the channel / server as well, suggesting to kill people of colour and LGBTQIAA+ people.
: In short, the toxicity of your Discord's community makes it not just uncomfortable, but downright dangerous for minority people playing Dwarf Fortress. As Tarn and Zach have made liberal-to-leftist political views in the past, the chances of minorities to play the game is higher - and I wouldn't want to be a person of colour signing up for a shitposting channel to only be met with over 10,000 instances of the hard-n word being used. The Discord should remain off of the Wiki until things shape up and all instances of hate speech be purged from server history. Personally I would rather all non-official channels of communication be removed from the page, period, but that is a less pressing discussion than active hatred of minorities being platformed on the Wiki via your unofficial Discord. [[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 12:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

:: Small edit / follow-up to my previous message. My friend tells me that elfposting is the most commonly used channel, which goes to show the level of hatred allowed into the community. It may be best to remove the channel in entirety, and make a new meme channel with no hate speech allowed. [[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 12:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

::: The admin you are referring to is a jew, who lives in Israel. I prefer to not police people of other ethnicities when it comes to negative stereotypes and such of themselves, they know what they are comfortable with far better than I ever could.

::: Elfposting is not, by any reasonable measure, the most used channel. It has fewer users than any other channel. It has a fair number of messages, but only because there is no rule against spamming in there. So, nearly all of it is spam, which was the point of the channel to begin with.

::: "It may be best to remove the channel in entirety" this is exactly what is happening, as I already said. We're giving the channel regulars a few days to hear the news, but then the channel will be gone. We already have a more pleasant meme channel from an experiment we did in April, which we are bringing back. —[[User:Lonjil|Lonjil]] ([[User talk:Lonjil|talk]]) 13:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi all - thanks for keeping this discussion civil. I've been investigating the policies of other DF communities, and I've come to the conclusion that it would be best for the wiki to only link to the official DF Discord (Kitfox). I'll also make a pass through the other sites linked on the main page. I'm sorry to those of you working hard to maintain Discords and other unofficial communities out there - I know it's difficult, and I don't want to judge your communities without being a part of them. However, there will always be debates like these about whether a community deserves to be linked from a more "official" place, like the wiki, and no matter where we draw the line(s), people will be upset. The policy of only linking to the Kitfox Discord seems to have worked for other communities, which is why I'm applying it here. I would be happy to have a broader discussion at [[DF:Centralized Discussion]] if anyone wants to. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

== Put Chinese language wiki on other Languages ==
Found it on Internet([http://cdf.wikidot.com/start]) – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:45.58.187.66|45.58.187.66]]

:I added a link to it. I'm not sure what the process is for adding interwiki link support (support for links to pages in the sidebar, like how [[DF2014:Cat]] links to http://dfwk.ru/Cat) but I can look into that too. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

== Villains Wiki ==

To started putting some creatures on the Villains Wiki, because I want to spread the word of Dwarf Fortress around, and these creatures fit the theme of the wiki anyway. Here's an example page, and the template of all pages: 
[https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Goblins_(Dwarf_Fortress) Villains - Goblins] 
[https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Dwarf_Fortress_Villains Villains - Template of DF Villains]

If anyone could add more info to those pages, or think more creatures should be on that wiki, please let me know. Or you could add it yourself. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 13:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== Replace Chinese Wiki with the new one on Fandom ==

The previous Chinese wiki on wikidot seems to be inactive for a long time, with its main page refers to the download link of v0.44.10, and most pages are never updated even earlier than that version. Recently we are working on a new site on Fandom ([https://dwarf-fortress.fandom.com/zh]), trying to keep everything up to date. Wish to replace the links on dwarffortresswiki's main page and the sidebar link (inter-language link) with the one at Fandom, so that more people may get to the right place and join us. [[User:Xjtu-blacksmith|xjtu-blacksmith 黑山雁]] ([[User talk:Xjtu-blacksmith|talk]]) 04:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

:I've added the link of Fandom site onto the main page, without removing the previous one. [[User:Xjtu-blacksmith|xjtu-blacksmith 黑山雁]] ([[User talk:Xjtu-blacksmith|talk]]) 11:09, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
:We've migrated Chinese Wiki to huijiwiki.com, which is now shown on Main Page. [[User:Xjtu-blacksmith|xjtu-blacksmith 黑山雁]] ([[User talk:Xjtu-blacksmith|talk]]) 07:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Kitfox Discord ==

<blockquote>
''2022-04-15 BlueManedHawk . . (8,594 bytes) (-135)‎ . . (The Kitfox Games discord server has an unethical code of law. I don't think the wiki should be supporting it.)''

''2022-04-15 Ziusudra . . (8,729 bytes) (+135)‎ . . (Undo revision 263652 by BlueManedHawk[:] please discuss changes such as this on the talk page first) (Tag: Undo)''
</blockquote>

Alright, I can do that.

The Kitfox Games discord server has a code of law that contains the following immoralities:

:- Is very vague and nebulous, allowing the moderators to exploit the vagueness to be able to do very different things in similar circumstances in alignment with their biases. (Not that they do that, but the fact that it's possible is concerning.) 
:- Contains a "These rules are subject to common sense." clause, essentially meaning that the moderators are able to do whatever they want and hide it behind the barrier of "common sense". This goes completely against the point of the concept of rules in the first place as a promise from those in power in regards to what they will and will not do. 
:- Allows for infinite punishment.

That last one could do with a bit of explaining. Let us begin with the premise that the punishment for a crime should be proportional to the severity of the crime. I think we can all agree on this. Therefore, an infinite punishment should only ever be given for an infinite crime. However, humans are not infallible. People make mistakes. And this means that if a court of law is able to administer an infinite punishment, they run the risk of accidentally giving somebody an infinite punishment that they do not deserve. This, I think we can all agree, is unnacceptable. Therefore, infinite punishment cannot every be administered ethically.

I hope that this explains why I want the link to the Kitfox games discord removed.

Regards,

—[[User:BlueManedHawk|BlueManedHawk]] ([[User talk:BlueManedHawk|talk]]) 22:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
:* Their rules are not vague or nebulous, they even give examples of what the rules cover. Of all the discords I am on, their rules are some of the most detailed.
:* The "''depending on the action and our judgement''" is quite similar to the "''depending on how disruptive you were and your prior history''" found in the DF forum rules, and is pretty standard social media boilerplate and is itself common sense.
:* Their rules state "''Breaking these rules will result in a warning or ban''", which is not at all "''infinite punishment''", and is again quite similar to the "''If you violate the guidelines, you will be warned, muted for a period of days, or banned completely''" on the forums. It's not like they can keep anyone from playing the game or interacting with the other communities.
: Your referring to their rules as "code of law" is hyperbolic. Their rules are quite similar to the rules of the forum. So, I disagree and think the link should stay. [[User:Ziusudra|Ziusudra]] ([[User talk:Ziusudra|talk]]) 23:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
::* The rules are pretty vague. Examples aren't enough. A strict, clear, unambiguous definition is necessary to prevent abuse.
::* While it is true that their clause is ''normal'', that doesn't mean it's ''right''.
::* The explanation of bans doesn't explain how long the bans will last. Since there's nothing explicitly stating that infinite punishment won't be given, and since "ban" by itself generally refers to a permanent ban, I think that it's allowing infinite punishment.
::* I'm not sure how the term "code of law" is hyperbolic. I use the term synonymously with "set of rules".
::* I can't seem to find a code of law for the forums. However, if what you said is true, then clearly we should also remove the link to the forums.
::
:: Regards,
::
:: —[[User:BlueManedHawk|BlueManedHawk]] ([[User talk:BlueManedHawk|talk]]) 02:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
::: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=27009 It's linked in the header at the top of every forum page, though if the header is collapsed you won't see it.
::: Unambiguous rules are technically impossible since human behavior is limitless. That's why we hav judges for actual laws - even society's strictest laws need a human adjudicator. Then, even with "permanent bans", both Kitfox and Bay12 hav public email addresses and twitter accounts which can be used to petition to hav a ban removed.
::: Finally, suggesting the removal of the links to the official forums for the game this wiki is dedicated to is unreasonable, to the point of making me wonder if you're trolling. [[User:Ziusudra|Ziusudra]] ([[User talk:Ziusudra|talk]]) 04:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

::::I agree with Ziusudra. More broadly, I think we should keep links to "official" DF channels, and Kitfox is a DF publisher. If a potential for "infinite punishment" warrants removing links to the offending site, then by your logic, we should remove all links to the wiki from the wiki because users here have been banned permanently. That has been done based on the best judgement of the people who volunteer their time to run the wiki and has been open to appeals, and I expect other channels are similar. I'm not interested in entertaining this argument here. If you have specific issues with a specific external site, I suggest that you get in touch with the moderators there instead. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 05:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

:::::Hello.

:::::As I mentioned below, the DFWiki is in a position of power, and by removing the link to them, we can potentially force their hand into making their code of law more moral. On the other hand, keeping the link there could potentially be seen as supporting their immoral behavior, tarnishing the reputation of the site. This is why I brought up my issues with an external site onto this one: because these issues also affect it.

:::::It is true that by my logic, the DFwiki is operating immorally. However, I would like to mention that ''you are in a position of power on the wiki'', Lethosor. I would think that you have the ability to change the Wiki's code of law to be more moral. You have the choice to make the wiki a better place, and I advise that you take it.

:::::Regards,

:::::—[[User:BlueManedHawk|BlueManedHawk]] ([[User talk:BlueManedHawk|talk]]) 06:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

::::Hello.

::::* I don't know which header you're referring to—wherever it is, it seems to not be there for me. Regardless, I thank you for clarifying which guidelines you were referring to.
::::* Unambiguous rules are largely impossible because nobody has yet created an unambiguous language. However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't still seek to get as close to unambiguous as possible when constructing a code of law.
::::* Claiming that the bans are transient because it's possible to appeal them is optimistic, and while there is a place for optimism, this is not it. Any potential that a legal system has for corruption is one that we cannot assume will not be used, and often, corruption begets corruption, continuing the cycle until a revolution happens.
::::* Being a central repository of knowledge on DF, the DFwiki is in a position of power. If we do remove the link to the Kitfox discord under the condition that they make their code of law more moral, then we can theoretically force their hand, maybe. There is, of course, a risk to this, and this should be deliberated before a decision is made.
::::* I am not a troll. Why does everybody keep thinking that?

::::Regards,

::::—[[User:BlueManedHawk|BlueManedHawk]] ([[User talk:BlueManedHawk|talk]]) 06:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

== Advertisements problem ==

One of the full-page advertisements(a pop-up that obscures the whole page) had what looked like a "close" button, but it just tried to redirect me to another page.
Full page advertisments aren't untoward but like, web elements that say 'close' are expected to do what they say, otherwise it's intercepting clicks.

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Centralized Discussion

2020-07-08T21:13:37Z

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== C++ Symbols ==
Hi, Im try using "windows debugging tools" to get some useful information about some crashs since windows 7 doesnt have the so called "dr watson" anymore (which creates a dump useful for toady).
For the debug info to be more useful, there is an option to use symbols file (*.pdb)
I found some c++ symbols in the wiki but is it possible to make a real pdb file out of that?
copypasta into a new txt file and renaming the extension doesnt seem to work.

== Clarification on "Verification" of content ==
The policy is that all content from 40d must be verified before making it to the 2010 namespace. Whould confirming with the changelog that something hasn't changed be good enough to meet this requirement? If not, does this means that each feature must be tested in game? [[User:bongotastic|bongotastic]] #11:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:In general the changelog is not sufficient. For example, the changelog doesn't say that the [[DF2010:Archery Target]] is now broken, but if you tried it out personally before moving it then you would know that simply copy-pasting this is a bad idea. Not a small task I know, but long-term this is far more valuable. Any article in particular you were thinking about? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 12:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Thoughts? ==
Any thoughts on this page? Any potentially useful organizing ideas? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:I think this is a great idea. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 17:03, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Missing discussions? ==
Are there any important discussions I've missed, or anything you'd like to discussion that you'd like a location to discuss? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:Will any articles be pruned away or merged? In the jump from 40D to v31 a lot of articles that used to be served well by tables seem to have become their own articles, which really clutters the place up and scatters information all over unfindably. Stones, ores, and gems are the most obvious, they really only need three tables instead of hundreds of articles. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 19:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Might I suggest responses go to the just created [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation|Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Article Consolidation talk page]]. I think this is a big issue worth discussing, and so it deserves to be discussed there. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 21:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:I wonder, is there a place here for a Future Versions Ideas page? I have many ideas for things that could be used in future versions of Dwarf Fort, but there's no way to get the word to Toady that I'm aware of, aside from straight e-mailing him...--[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 20:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not really sure if the wiki is the right place for something like that. I mostly say that because I don't think that he will look at what we set up for the wiki either. There is a [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0 Suggestions Forum] that seems to be the best place for that kind of thing. I imagine if he looks anywhere he looks there. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 19:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Template madness ==
Okay I was looking at [[DF2010:Native platinum]] and wanted to make the changes but the arrangement of templates make editing the sidebar incredibly complicated even for the fairly good amount of knowledge I have of the wiki.

This really doesn't need to be this complicated. Could someone explain how it works and more importantly why it needs to be so complicated. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 21:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, we need a short tutorial on templates. This is shutting out IPs (and probably the majority of editors) through the backdoor. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 00:32, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Template Here] [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Parser_functions you] [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Parser_functions_in_templates go.] [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Right. You make it obvious that excessive use of templates will make the wiki unusable for all but a small aristocracy. Plus we would still need a central place frequently visited by editors that links to those pages. Maybe link to the -still missing- ''short'' tutorial next to every template in the articles? --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 20:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::You seem confident that you will get what you want. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magmawiki skin feedback ==
I just decided to try out the new skin. I am using it for ten minutes and I already can't imagine using anything different, it's great!--[[User:SanDiego|SanDiego]] 13:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== If not consolidation, then what? ==

I don't seem to have a lot of support for article consolidation, and have abruptly been relieved of the time I had to try and help. Fine. I still insist the clutter of pages remains troublesome. Whenever your search is slightly off, instead of returning few to no results, it returns hundreds of irrelevant results. When I search for BODY_SIZE I don't want creature_standard.txt, grimeling size, mud man size, olmman size, fire man size, insert-material-here-man size or anything else's tags, I'm looking for info on the tags themselves. Same when I search "raws", I don't mean those of beetles, whales, walruses, sturgeon, stingray, etc, etc, etc. Redirects won't fix this until we redirect every possible thing that needs to be redirected, at all, ever, but that seems an even more exhaustive task than tables.

Is it possible to prevent the search from indexing these stub articles, or at least giving them less priority? The 'whale' page is going to be irrelevant to anyone not searching for whales... --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 17:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with you that there isn't the support for consolidation. I do understand what you're saying. It seems like there are two possible solutions to your problem.
:*Better organization: This is entirely possible, but very complicated. I've been trying to improve this but it is very difficult. If you don't have the time to work on this and improve it you'll have to rely on my inconsistent free time to make some improvements. If you have some good ideas besides "make it better" I'm all ears.
:*Better search: This is much more difficult, and probably not exactly possible given the extreme constraints that is the mediawiki software. You'd be pleased to know that we ([[User:Briess]] and [[User:Emi]]) are working on developing a new wiki software specifically for DF. Details can be found [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Magmawiki|here]] and [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=55613.60 here]. I can only assume that they will make sure to provide improved searching as one of their goals, but if you want to post in the forum thread your wishes that would probably be useful.
:[[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 20:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's not the wiki that sucks, the search function is limited. You are simply asking too much. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 00:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gamelog Template? ==
We should add a "gamelog" template, so that bored players (like me) can easily locate other player's gamelogs about the fun adventures they are getting up to. I'd do it myself, but I have no idea how to. -[[User:Romeofalling|Romeofalling]] 21:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about a template, but I have been wanting a way to find other users who are "logging" their games on the wiki for weeks. Can we have a page listing such things, and feature a link to that page on the Main page? -- [[User:Maunder|Maunder]] 21:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC) (now heading to look at Romeofalling's page)

Okay I added a [[Stories#Game_Diaries|new section]] to [[Stories]]. Anyone who is chronicling their fortress on the wiki, please add a link to your story [[Stories#Game_Diaries|here]]! -- [[User:Maunder|Maunder]] 22:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bloodline ==
Currently there is a [[bloodline|bloodline page]], a [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Bloodline_games bloodline category] and a [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex&from=&namespace=100 bloodline namespace]. I understand that community stuff is currently lower priority than getting the other content ready for players, but this should all be consolidated and made easily accessible. I'd be willing to do it, but should we go with the category or namespace? [[User:Calite|Calite]] 00:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Community Portal ==

Why was the [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]] link dropped from the sidebar? We kind of need to have a '''reachable''' list of editing guidelines, especially given the "dwarfs/dwarves" conflict that's going on (where said page states that the proper term would be "dwarves" due to being used in-game). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:16, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

== crayon art rewards-donation drive to illustrate the wiki ==

I found [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=77360.0 this topic on forums] and as experiment added image to [[DF2010:Gorlak]]. Is it a great/good/acceptable idea? Is it possible that there is certain licence problem? Maybe it should go to infobox? I prefer to ask before uploading 30+ images. [[User:Kogut|Kogut]] 17:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

==Adding pictures from commons==
Hello, I am trying to add a picture of a [[DF2014:Kiwi man|Kiwiman]] I draw and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DF-Kiwiman.jpg put on Wikimedia Commons] but I dont seem to be having any luck in being able to put that image on the Kiwiman article page using Wikimedia syntax. How can I add this picture from Wikimedia Commons? I am not authorised to create new articles on this Wiki so uploading the image directly here is not an option for me right now. --[[User:Discott|Discott]] ([[User talk:Discott|talk]]) 12:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

:It shows up for me below the column on the right. (You should be able to create new pages now, since Briess changed the requirement to 3 edits, but it doesn't matter in this case since this wiki can pull images from Commons.) —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:00, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

::It is showing up for me as well now, I suspect I just needed to refresh my browser or it was due to some sort of lag between the DFwiki server and Commons... or some thing like that. --[[User:Discott|Discott]] ([[User talk:Discott|talk]]) 20:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

== Randomly deleted files? ==

<strike>I had uploaded sheet music for the two ingame tracks, and displayed them [[Soundtrack|here]]. Mysteriously, almost all of them disappeared. For instance, if you try going to [[:File:Song title2.png]], and checking the history you can see I ''did'' upload it on Feb 17, so I'm not crazy. Is this as server problem or something? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]])
:And actually something similar happened with [[:File:Intro_movie_1.gif]] as well. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 04:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)</strike>
Nevermind, a quick ?action=purge and everything is fine. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 04:43, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

== .SVG problems? ==

[[:File:Translation Icon.svg]]
Does anyone else see the errors in this file page? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 03:54, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
:I do.[[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 17:06, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
::Briess says this is fixed: https://github.com/DF-Wiki/DF-Wiki/issues/6. That's probably a good place to report issues in the future since all of us should notice (and email notifications aren't broken). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Multiple redirects leads to incorrect namespace ==

There appears to be an issue wherein navigating to a page by means of multiple redirects puts you on the wrong namespace. For example, when going to [[Herbalist]] this correctly automatically redirects to [[DF2014:Herbalist]]. Whereas if you go to [[Herbalism]], that page appears to be a manual redirect to [[Herbalist]] (which should take you to the DF2014 namespace) but instead you end up being taken to [[v0.34:Herbalist]]. The behaviour of the automatic redirect is not consistent when reached via an intermediate manual redirect page. The same problem affects [[Sweet_Pod]] and probably many other pages. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]] ([[User talk:Morlark|talk]]) 22:43, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

:Yes; the wiki software (and the internet in general) handles moved resources...poorly. My suggested fix is to [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Versions#Reorganizing_versions|avoid moving resources]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 04:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::Wait, are you thinking this applies to pages that were moved at some point with [[Special:MovePage]], or just pages that were copied over by a bot? All of the DF2014 pages fall into the latter category, and should behave pretty normally, but it's entirely possible that there's some weirdness with moved pages (the former category) that I'm not aware of. It could just be issues with double redirects, though, since those seem to be the only pages I've noticed issues on. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

:::By "moved" I meant "no longer at the same URL". All the external links, the Google indexes, and even the wiki software itself don't handle resources that are at a different URL gracefully.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 03:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

::::As far as the wiki software is concerned, [[DF2014:Cat]] and [[DF2014:Dog]] are equally different from [[v0.34:Cat]], at least internally, because we effectively created brand-new DF2014 pages and just copied over the contents from v0.34 articles. The Google issues are annoying, and I think Briess was looking into a way to weight current pages more heavily, but I don't know if that ended up being possible or not. As far as I can tell, the chief issue within the wiki is the one Morlark pointed out, with redirect chains not ending up in the right namespace (it's probably due to the auto-redirect extension, but none of us have been able to figure out ''why'' - as far as we can tell, we changed everything that was necessary to change, and editing the problematic redirects tends to fix them, but there's absolutely no reason why they should be cached for this long or anything). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

:::::Creating, copying, wiki-moving, etc. are all equivalent as far as nearly everything is concerned. So you copied v0.34:Cat to DF2014:Cat. Meanwhile Main:Kitty, which used to redirect to Main:Cat then to v0.34:Cat... still redirects to v0.34:Cat. Even though it's now nearly 4 years out of date. And will continue to do so until someone goes in and manually fixes it. Unfortunately, Google is even less forgiving--you can't go in and manually tell Google "Hey, we want you to point to these new pages now". No matter how you did it, you're still changing the URL that you want things to link to by default, and that still doesn't work well.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

::::::Oh, that's a good point about external sources. The issue with redirects within the wiki is due to something not being updated as it should, though, and it ought to be fixable. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

===Solution for this===
Couldn't we just change all main-space directs to [[cv:Example]]? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 10:48, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

:It's been a while since I've looked at this, but I think that should work. Then again, the current mainspace redirects should work too, in theory, but they don't. It's possible that the issue is due to badly-behaved caching, in which case changing the redirects to cv would fix them temporarily but not permanently, just like editing them now does. In other words, I'm not sure it would improve the situation (at least if/when we make a new namespace), but it shouldn't make it worse. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:28, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

::Just another suggestion– have the current version always be at like dwarffotresswiki.org/Quickstart_guide then have the old versions be moved to something like dwarffotresswiki.org/Quickstart_guide/v43 when a new version of dwarf fortress comes out. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] ([[User talk:Jecowa|talk]]) 02:12, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

===Update, June 2019===
I had a bot go around and create redirects from main namespace pages to ``cv:`` pages. Let me know if there are any remaining issues or pages that were missed. (I intentionally skipped /raw pages.) —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:*There are still [[Special:DoubleRedirects|700+ double redirects]]
:*The updated wiki doesn't even try to follow double redirects
:*If you enable double redirection it probably won't work since the people who wrote the wiki software consider double redirects invalid
:*If you somehow manage to get the wiki to link to the proper page, search engines et al. will still link to outdated pages
:::--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

::Double redirects are enabled. I just changed the capitalization on [[Rum]], for example, and now it actually goes straight to [[DF2014:Alcohol]] when I access it instead of stopping at [[Alcohol]]. Obviously editing redirects constantly isn't a great solution, but I figured out where they're cached in the database, and that clearing them from that cache fixes the issue, so I'm looking into ways to fix it with an extension. Hopefully that will help. At any rate, it's better than the old system where seemingly-correct redirects would sometimes redirect to the ''wrong'' namespace - at least now, you get a link to the right page that you just have to click on.
::As for search engines, that's always been an issue. Not sure what we can do about that, unless we want to fully blacklist older versions from appearing in search results, which isn't great.
::Side note, the new wiki supports HTTPS, so I wasn't logged in when I followed your link to the HTTP site. I changed that to an internal link (I expect that wasn't intentional, but starting a link with "//" without the http(s): in front will use the same protocol the current page is using). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
:::[[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Versions#Reorganizing_versions|This proposal]] would handily resolve almost all linking issues, foreign and double, and fix a few other annoyances to boot.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
::::It would also introduce some issues that I mentioned there, particularly with versioned categories and templates (which are currently very easy since every versioned page has a namespace that corresponds directly to these), as well as distinguishing between versioned and non-versioned pages (yes, {{tl|av}} should cover those, but people forget to add that sometimes). I'm regretting the "DF2014" choice now that it's 2019, though, and your proposal certainly does have its merits. It's worth considering again, at least, definitely before the next breaking release rolls around.
::::I'll still try to get double redirects to work in the meantime, though, because we might still have a use for them. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::I think you are vastly overestimating the effort required to integrate mainspace pages. A simple wrapper template ({{tl|DFNAMESPACE}}) can return appropriate namespace text for mainspace articles, making versioned templates and categories "just as easy". A handful of other templates ({{tl|Category}}, {{tl|version switch}}, {{tl|articleVersion}}) would also need updated. So {{tl|Creatures}} would expand to {{tl|Main creatures}}, creatures would get added to [[:Category:Main:Creatures]], etc. You could even use a namespace alias like "Current" if you prefer ({{tl|Current creatures}}, [[:Category:Current:Creatures]]).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::"Main" is actually an alias too, so I'd prefer "current" (aliases are pretty easy to set up). That is a good point, though. Most (hopefully all?) of the places that assume the current namespace isn't the main namespace are in templates, and updating things like {{tl|category}} has to be done anyway for new namespaces. I'm not 100% sold on doing this before the next breaking release, but I think it's reasonable. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:15, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

== DFFD links ==

After I saw Lethosor fixing a dffd link in the recent changes ([http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Utility:Raw_tile_selector&curid=18633&diff=232687&oldid=199844]) I was curious how many pages still refer to the old DFFD URL, and doing a search [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=dffd.wimbli.com&fulltext=Search] shows that there are several. Is there an easy way to substitute "dffd.wimbli.com" with "dffd.bay12games.com" globally? [[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 13:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

== Wiki upgrade issues ==

===Diagrams===
There seems to be a problem with spacing in some infoboxes (previous version shown on right):

[[File:Wiki-copper.png]]

This appears to affect all pages using the {{tl|RT}} template: [[stone]]s, [[metal]]s, [[crop]]s, [[gem]]s, [[Fluid logic]], etc.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:There are wider CSS issues on that page too, like the quality template not being colored and the av links being blue. We didn't see this on the testing site, so I'm not sure what broke, but I'll investigate. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Update: the table is the only issue now. Probably Mediawiki-related, then. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:I think this has been addressed (subject to caching, of course). The issue was that Mediawiki now styles the <code> tag to <code>look like this</code>. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::The images on [[fluid logic]] are still spaced out.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::Actually, the infobox images are still vertically spaced as well.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:37, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:::I think I have improved [[DF2014:Copper]] ({{tl|RT}}, {{tl|RT0}}) and [[DF2014:Fluid_logic#Infinite_Flow_Gates]] ({{tl|RTL}}). [[DF2014:Fluid_logic#Advanced_Complementary_fluid_logic_Gates]] is different somehow despite using the RT family of templates. I'm tempted to turn those into <diagram>s, but I'll keep poking around. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::::While I support updating the diagrams, it's unlikely that [[fluid logic]] is the only page with spacing problems. We either need to fix the old templates or entirely replace them.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 00:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::I definitely agree. I can't think of much else to check on fluid logic, though. Just to confirm, are you referring to the vertical white lines between columns under "Advanced Complementary fluid logic Gates" (the NOT, AND, OR, etc. diagrams)? Is there an archived copy of the wiki somewhere that you're referring to? I don't want to keep bothering you when it comes to comparing things to the old wiki. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::The [http://dfweb1.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Fluid_logic dfweb1] server is still returning the old wiki, at least for me. While the [[fluid logic]] diagrams are looking much better, there are still white horizontal lines running through (previous version on right):
::::::[[File:Wiki-fluid-edge.png]]
::::::(I think the size/font disparities are caused by the loss of upper-level CSS on the old version.)--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 11:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I made a small tweak on {{tl|RT}} and {{tl|RT0}}. The spacing issue seems fixed on my end. – [[User:Doorkeeper|Doorkeeper]] 19:45, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I couldn't do the same with {{tl|Raw Tile}}, so I replaced <nowiki><code></nowiki> with <nowiki><div></nowiki> instead. Is there a reason for using <nowiki><code></nowiki>? I don't notice any significant differences (aside from the spacing fix). – [[User:Doorkeeper|Doorkeeper]] 20:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
{{od|7}}
<div> caused issues because it's a block element, as in "input triggers: {{Raw Tile|X|#A00|#444}}{{Raw Tile|X|#0A0|#444}}" - these tiles took up an entire row with a div tag. I changed it to span and that's better, but I'm still seeing white vertical lines in the diagrams at [[DF2014:Fluid_logic#Advanced_Complementary_fluid_logic_Gates]] and below. Thanks for the fix, though! I assume the reason for using <code> was that it's monospaced, and other templates used it, but {{tl|Raw Tile}} specifies several monospaced fonts anyway, so not using a code tag should be fine. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

{{tl|diagram}} appears to be broken on [[DF2014:Climber]]. Investigating. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 23:34, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:Update: this is a massive pain and I regret trying to fix it, but I will look at it some more at some point. I fixed at least one Unicode issue that was causing issues for me locally, but that didn't seem to help. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:32, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::Non-capturing parens weren't working for some reason; I removed them and the diagrams are back. (Broken pages may require a null edit to pick up the change.)--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
:::I don't like that solution, but it does work. It's worth noting that that regex ''does'' work from Mediawiki's eval.php, so I think this is a parser issue. I debugged it a bit locally, and some regex replacement in the parser is returning ``null``, which results in a blank page. I haven't yet determined why, though. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

===Links display with underscores===
The wiki seems to be inserting underscores in multi-word links, as seen in the vermin template on [[toad]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:This is part of an issue I'm actively fixing (originally links to main:foo would link to DF2014:main:foo if foo had spaces in it). It should be better in maybe 10 minutes. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Fixed. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks!--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

===Missing raws===
Some raws are now missing, e.g. [[Giant cave toad]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:25, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:No idea on this one either. We didn't delete any raws, as far as I know. I'll look into it. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Interesting, TOAD_GIANT_CAVE isn't in creature_subterranean.txt (or any raw file) in the DF2014 raws on the server. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Seems we have an old version of the raws, which were presumably copied from an older migration attempt. TOAD_GIANT was renamed to TOAD_GIANT_CAVE in 0.42.05, and TOAD_GIANT is in the raws. This should be a simple fix. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:Fixed. Good catch! Other raws should be updated now too (subject to caching, again, of course). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:16, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

===Variation raws not inheriting from base creature===
The logic for parsing inherited/derived body sizes appears to have broken, e.g. [[Giant sperm whale]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:I don't see any obvious issue there. Maybe the raw updates above fixed this? They included a couple small additions to giant sperm whale, like ``[CREATURE_CLASS:MAMMAL]``. The links to [[sperm whale]] and [[sperm whale man]] work for me, if that's what you mean. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:18, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::The infobox contains no "Size" information because bodysizes aren't being correctly inherited from the base creature. The page displayed the inherited sizes correctly prior to the update.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::In a likely related issue, the "Genderless" label is being mis-applied to derived creatures (e.g. [[Hippo man]]).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:41, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Are you certain this wasn't an issue before the upgrade? I'm struggling to think of likely causes at this point; DFRawFunctions should be the only relevant extension here, and it is up to date now. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:47, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::::Yes. Here's a comparison (update on right):
::::[[File:Wiki-giant-whale.png]]
::::Biome, Attributes, Age, and Size are all incorrect. The {{tl|variation raw}} template doesn't appear to be copying the raws from the base creature correctly--the updated /raw page is *much* shorter.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 00:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::This is weird. The "expanded" page on /raw definitely has more than the unexpanded version visible on the creature page itself, so the creature variation code is definitely doing ''something'', just not everything it's supposed to do. I'm thinking it has to be an issue with the extension itself, which would be a pain to troubleshoot. I've pinged [[u:Quietust|Quietust]] about it, in case he has any ideas about what could be going on. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:44, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::I found a small syntax error in DFRawFunctions which used to silently "work" (passing a parameter by value when it needed to be by reference, though the target function never actually used it) but started throwing a Warning in PHP 7.1 - upon fixing it, creature variations appear to be working properly again. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 00:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

===Workshop diagrams===
Workshop illustrations have overlapping tiles, e.g. [[Siege workshop]].--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:That was another <code> issue in {{tl|Raw Tile}}. Why it's a different template from {{tl|RT}} is beyond me. It should be fixed there, although the siege workshop looks a little strange to me still. Maybe it's a font issue, which would be tricky to resolve. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:47, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

===External links with double brackets===
There seems to be something odd going on w/Bay12 forum refs (example: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Creature_token#HABIT_NUM) Uncertain as to extent, likely cause being, well...*looks at topic title*. [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 22:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:I don't think that was a legal link to begin with - it had two square brackets around an external link. I fixed it to use {{tl|cite forum}} - feel free to use that if you encounter other similar issues. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:42, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::The old wiki apparently evaluated the interior brackets to make a URL link surrounded by (non-wikified) brackets. The updated wiki preferentially evaluates the double brackets, creating a garbled wikilink instead. I don't know if that format was "legal", but it was ''previously working''.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 00:44, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:::If it is behaving differently from the old wiki, it's probably due to the NamespaceLinks extension, which is new (the old wiki used a Mediawiki patch for this, but that was terrible to maintain). I haven't bothered to test this syntax on MW 1.20 to confirm that it really did work before - if it didn't, I definitely don't want to handle this case in the extension, but if it did, I'll try to come up with a fix (it will be a low priority, though). Detecting external links could be complicated because there are many possible protocols that would need to be handled (e.g. we've added support for ``magnet:`` links ourselves). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 02:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
::::I don't think we need to support this format, I just wanted to explain why it no longer worked. The remaining double-bracketed URLs can be converted to the proper single-bracket format without much effort.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 11:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

===Favicon missing===
The updated wiki doesn't appear to be serving a [[wikipedia:favicon|favicon]] image (used by browsers for bookmarks, tabs, etc.).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 11:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
:I think this is fixed now (it took effect faster than I expected, but it's certainly serving something at [//dwarffortresswiki.org/favicon.ico favicon.ico] now). —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

== Google policy violations ==

Apparently we [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Special:Log/delete lost a longstanding custom illustration] because it "violates a google policy :(". I fail to see what policy a drawing of dwarf butcher carrying a cat might violate, and I strongly dislike giving Google editorial control of DFwiki content. Can we get more detail about this removal, and perhaps a "policy" of our own regarding future Google violations?--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 23:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:It fell under a general policy against "shocking content" on pages that serve ads. We can restore the image we build some controls that allow us to selectively disable ads on pages which have policy violations. [[user:Emi|Emi]] [[user_talk:Emi|[T]]] 04:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
::If it's possible to check for page categories in the DFAds extension, it ought to be fairly simple to do that (make a template like {{tl|spoiler}} that also categorizes a page). That relies on people not deciding to remove the template, of course, and I'm not entirely sure if the page object is accessible from the hooks DFAds uses. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

== Certain pages showing up messed up ==

I don't know if I pressed a button by accident, or if the page is just using a different formatting. Certain DF topic pages are showing up with the banner on the left, on top of the page itself.

Also the text is zoomed, which might be my problem. [[User:Eerr|Eerr]] ([[User talk:Eerr|talk]]) 21:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

40d:Goblin

2009-06-18T20:17:52Z

Eerr:

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'''Goblins''' are intelligent [[humanoid]] [[creatures]] that live in dark fortresses in the [[mountain]]s. They are primarily interested in killing [[Dwarf|dwarves]]. They will [[siege]] any sufficiently populous or wealthy fortress, and frequently employ [[troll]]s in their armies to destroy [[door]]s and other [[building]]s.

Occasionally, one or more goblin "snatchers" may arrive if you have [[child]]ren in your fortress. They are stealthy like [[kobold]]s. Detecting them is announced by "Snatcher! Protect the children!". They will attempt to kidnap any children they come across and carry a [[bag]] with them for this purpose. After a few attempts goblin master [[thief|thieves]] will start showing up – besides being generally more competent, these can also evade [[trap]]s. There is also a small chance of getting the goblin ruler with these thieves, if he is a thief himself. Toady stated in a [[Developer interviews|RPPR interview]] that these children will be raised by the goblins and can eventually show up in future goblin armies. Dwarven and Human converts are confirmed, though wether or not a child can return and siege his own fortress remains undetected.

Independent of this goblins will [[ambush]] your fortress, sending squads of different soldier types. Later, the sieges begin: your primary adversary in an invasion, goblin numbers increase every year once they start attacking, and eventually begin besieging your fortress more than once a year. Fortunately, they are not very bright, and will walk into traps by the hundreds. They may sometimes come riding [[beak dog]]s as cavalry. It is rare for goblin sieges to last until all of them die - the last few uncaged, un-eviscerated goblins will generally run for their lives rather than continue their attack.

Goblins carry somewhat valuable gear. They often wear [[giant cave spider]] [[silk]] [[cloth]]ing, [[iron]] [[armor]], even [[steel]] armor (that can be melted down) and steel [[weapon]]s. Crossbowmen will carry dwarf-usable [[bolt]]s. Goblin clothing is considered "[[narrow]]" and dwarves cannot wear it, though it can be used as [[trade]] goods or [[melted]]. Goblin [[bone]]s and [[skull]]s are not particularly valuable, although - as with all bones and skulls - the bones can be crafted into bolts and the skulls crafted into [[totem]]s.

Unlike other races, goblin "roads" are underground, and if you get in to one, be sure you are ready — it can be a long walk to the other side, and you cannot enter the travel map when walking one. Being underground, they do not show up on the map{{verify}}.

=== Living among them ===

Starting a fortress with a goblin stronghold in the local area is not for the faint of heart. If you take on this challenge, be careful in choosing a starting position; if your [[wagon]] starts inside the stronghold, your dwarves will probably come to a quick and bloody end. Reclaiming the resulting miasmal pit causes a bloodless eviction of the goblins and leaves one with a broad selection of odd items scattered throughout the now deserted towers{{Version|0.27.169.33g}}.

Because the goblin master thieves can avoid your traps, it's useful to chain a few war [[dog]]s at the entrance. [[Trap#Cage_Trap|Cage traps]] also seem to be more effective than other traps at catching those sneaking goblin masters.

As with Kobolds, it is possible to start next to a friendly goblin tower. This will add a great amount of wealth to your fortress, as well as provide you with potentially powerful allies.

In v40d, however, as soon as an invading force sieges you they will ALL turn hostile towards you, and will run out of their towers to slaughter you entirely.

=== Starting Equipment ===

If starting in a goblin fort you should definitely ditch your [[anvil]]. If you have a [[soil]] level you can probably get by bringing less [[food]] and less [[alcohol|booze]], thus allowing you to bring lots of dogs; a large enough pack of dogs should allow you to escape the goblin fort with few casualties, and start building your own army. The dogs will also provide you with a nice source of [[meat]].

== Goblin society ==
Goblin society has few laws. Slavery, assault, oath-breaking, and murder are all considered a personal matter between the parties involved. Additionally goblins view all forms of torture as acceptable (and fun).

Goblins do not possess the aptitude for [[grower|growing]], tending more towards [[fishing]], [[hunting]], and [[butcher]]ing livestock for their food sources. Fortunately for goblins their digestive systems can derive as much sustenance from [[bone]]s as from the [[meat]] that came on it.

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40d Talk:Strange mood

2009-06-17T02:28:46Z

Eerr: /* Personality */ new section

== Detailed strange mood mechanics ==
[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=35257.msg545835#msg545835 see post] [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:& updated to include more/all of same. Also re-organized presentation to better fit expanded sub-sections.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 13:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:Now that we know so much about the mechanics of strange moods, what do you all think about moving that section to the bottom and protecting it with a "massive spoilers" warning the way [[thought|thoughts]] are? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::Works for me 100%. It would require a slight rewording/reworking of the "skills & workshops" subsection, for overall flow, perhaps splitting that info into the obvious and the not-so-obvious, to bridge the info leading into the "demands" subsection. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 20:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== misc ==
Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)
==Glassmaker==
I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:: I just had the same problem. I had a glass maker who wouldn't take over a magma glass furnace. Since I'm creating a glass fortress and had a mess of glass orders piled up, I thought that might have confused the AI and I built 2 more magma glass furnaces. No dice, he didn't want them. After reading this page I decided to create a normal glass furnace. He snapped it up as soon as it was built. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 04:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)
::I had the exact same experience as [[Alkyon]], namely I had lots of magma glass furnaces but they wanted a normal one. Anybody else confirm what [[Digger]] has experienced?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This has been observed countless times with magma forges vs standard forges - no reason to expect it should be any diff w/ glass furnaces.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Same thing happened to one of my lenegdary dwarves. He then went berserk in my legendary dining room.. in front of my crossbow champions. Blood ensued. And now it has happened again, my hard trained master glassmaker just stands in the meeting zone flashing purple excl. sign, despite the fact that magma glass furnace is up and running. Doh. --[[User:Alpha|Alpha]] 15:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:And an update... this is pretty stupid. I've decided to build a regular glass furnace, just to see what happens, and guess what, my glassmaker happily proceeded to claim it and made me a ''Lushutilun Othornoshtath, Guilthaled the Erased Devourer'', a green glass statue. Neat-o. --[[User:Alpha|Alpha]] 16:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can confirm this bug. I just had this happen to me too. I had three fully functional glass magma furnaces and he just stood in the middle of my meeting area. I went and built a regular glass furnace and he ran off and claimed it. Weird bug. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 04:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Its not a bug, its a feature. --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 13:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

::It was an accident, the stark raving mad ones wander around aimlessly, regardless of Z- levels. --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 12:53, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort and i used it to create a gear assembly in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
: weapon traps! --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 12:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:: FWIW, that might be a more general answer for artifact items... I had a Weaponsmith dwarf go into a strange mood and create a lead warhammer (Yes, there was plenty of steel and iron around, but this dwarf likes lead, I guess). It can't be equipped as a weapon (lead isn't a valid material type normally for constructing weapons) but I can put it into a weapons trap. Which... is basically the only thing I can do with this 65000* artifact... -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually, artifact equipment can be used, it just requires a "hero" level dwarf or higher. However, for the nonstandard material weapons and armor you may do well to forbid them so that they're not used. The actual effectiveness of odd material artifacts is supposedly lower than that of decent iron or steel equipment, and artifact equipment cannot be unequipped once a dwarf decides to use it. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 15:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:Build your artifact mechanism into a really, really, really wonderful well. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 11:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

: I just had a Soap Maker (his only skill, a fresh immigrant) get possessed. He took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop and with an obsidian stone, 3x turtle shells and a giant cave spider silk cloth and made a turtle shell toy boat. --[[User:Cal|Cal]] 01:32, 20 April 2009 (CDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

== Furnace Operator ==

Apparently furnace operator is no longer a mood skill as of df 28 181 40d. I just had a expert furnace operator take over a Craftdwarf's Workshop and become a legendary stonecrafter. [[User:Otherdwarf|Otherdwarf]] 10:26, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:I had one take over a mason's workshop, I would guess that Furnace Operator is treating like Engraver or Miner. I'm kind of disappointed, I was hoping he'd churn out an artifact coke or something.[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 13:03, 14 November 2008 (EST)

::Back when furnace operator was moodable, they'd turn out metal crafts. But taking over a mason's workshop is surprising. Occasionally they'll take over a random workshop and convert it into the type they want -- what artifact did the dwarf produce? And, just to rule out some obvious things, did the dwarf have dabbling skill in mining, masonry, or engraving?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:51, 14 November 2008 (EST)
:::He went crazy looking for some kind of rough gem, so we'll never know. It was ''right'' after the dwarf trading caravan left, too, so I really had no chance whatsoever. I don't know for sure what skills he had, I don't think he had much other than Furnace Operator, Architect, and the social skills though. I ''might'' have enabled mining, but there was plenty of work for him at the smelter so I don't know for sure.--[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 15:56, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Chunk Butchery? ==

Well, even though the selection of items for artifacts is totally random, its a bit wierd if a macabre dwarf goes to a butcher's workshop and starts bringing in tons of dwarf CHUNKS! My dwarf just started doing that, should I expect rotting meat (yes, the chunks are already rotten)? - 09:57, 30 October 2008 Stinhad Limarezum
: ^_^ "This is a delicious meat pie. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. On the item is an image of a dwarf and dwarves in rotting dwarf chunks. The dwarf is baking the other dwarves into meat pies. The artwork relates to the rise of the dwarf butcher Sweeney Todd as the cook of The Fleet Street in 78" -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 11:11, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:Oh, ''do'' post the description of the artifact when the dwarf completes it. ("Menaces with spikes of dwarf chunk?" I'd be intimidated for sure.)--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:18, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== What Workshop? ==

Is there any way to discover what workshop a dwarf in a secretive mood requires? I had nearly everything. I built a siege workshop and a bowery before I ran out of ideas and he went beserk. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 10:55, 3 November 2008 (EST)

:You have to look at what skills he has first and rule out the obvious. If he has no mood-able skills then it's going to be a craftsdwarf's workshop. If you have hit magma and he wants a forge or glass furnace, he will insist on the magma version of that workshop. Finally, maybe one of your existing workshops was inaccessible or you accidentally [[forbid]] it at some point. If none of that works, I'm out of ideas too.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:01, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::I have a functioning magma glass furnace and I had to build a normal glass furnace when my glass maker became secretive. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Same here, in fact I had 2 moody glass making dwarves refuse to use anything but a normal glass furnace when there were 5 fully functional magma glass furnaces in the same fort. (sorry, almost forgot to sign) --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 14:27, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Ditto. A glassmaker got possessed and refused to use my magma glass furnace. I had to build a regular one. --[[User:Schwern|Schwern]] 19:33, 27 December 2008 (EST)

:::Ah. In older versions, they'd insist on a magma workshop, when possible. Do they now insist on using a regular workshop, or has anyone seen a moody dwarf use a magma workshop in recent versions?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::I believe my metalsmith is waiting for my magma forge to come on line, I have a standard forge built, but that isn't doing anything for him. Does anyone know what effect fluctuating power will have on the strange mood? Edit: If a claimed workshop looses power for even a millisecond, the mood fails. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:02, 18 November 2008 (EST)
::::I can confirm that an Armorsmith will use a magma furnace, and if the furnace loses magma after it is claimed (Even if the dwarf is out collecting materials), the mood will fail. [[User:Decius|Decius]] 07:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== Possessed Child ==

I have a child that has become possessed and taken over one of my craft workshops (of course). He is muttering the following: rough color, leather skin, bone yes, stone rock, cloth thread, blocks bricks, and a shell. He has already acquired the following: turtle bones, donkey bones [4], microcline blocks, turtle shell, rough pink garnets, dog leather, carp leather, and hematite. I have plenty of all the things that he's already gathered, so I'm assuming that he doesn't need anymore of those items. That leaves the thread. I have turned off my auto-loom a while ago so that I would keep the thread around for artifacts. I currently have plenty of plant thread (4 pig tail and 14 rope reed) and enough spider silk (5). What I don't have is giant spider silk. I have confirmed that the child has access to all these items, including the thread which I have piles next to his workshop. Still he doesn't start construction.

Can any help? Is there a difference for artifact creation between regular cave spider silk and giant cave spider silk? ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

:Do you have both silk and plant cloth available? (Not just thread.) And do you see any specific cloth preferences in his thoughts and preferences screen?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:32, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::Argh. I bet that's it. No silk cloth, just thread. I have had guys go crazy for lack of thread before, so I never make silk cloth, just kept the thread. Oh well, the child is now melancholy. I can re-load and see what would happen if I make the thread into cloth. Maybe I'll test that out. ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

::: Wouldn't you be able to solve this problem by only weaving dyed thread? Then you'll always have some thread waiting to be dyed. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 03:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::::You could also leave high quality, expensive materials lying around Forbidden, and only Claim them when someone's trying to make an artifact. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 15:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Getting More Strange Moods ==

According to the article, the number of artifacts is limited by "The number of items created divided by 200." This indicates that making bolts (5 for each bone or 25 for each log) or brewing (5 units of drink for each unit of plant brewed) are efficient ways to encourage strange moods. Does that sound accurate?

It also states that the number of revealed subterranean tiles is a limit. Does that mean an area like a chasm, where many tiles are revealed to start with, will produce more strange moods?

Also, does anyone know whether the division rounds up or down? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 22:24, 16 November 2008 (EST)

:I'd be willing to bet all stacks count as only one "item" for this kind of calculation. 200 sounds like a paltry number, however. If rocks are counted as items, most fortresses have thousands of them in just a few years. The other number is what is most significant (I wonder where the heck it comes from?) I've had four miners digging non-stop for about 10 years now, and my stocks menu says I have 70,000 stones. Allowing for underground soil tiles (which don't produce stone) and stone/ore consumed by industry, each miner can probably clear about 2,000 tiles a year: one artifact. I have 21 artifacts in my fortress now (and two failed moods early on), so if that rate is indicative, I'd say you want to employ three or more miners non-stop to maximize your chances.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:09, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::The guy who wrote [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stone_management#Block_Stockpile this] doesn't seem to think that stones count as created items. Also, "revealed tiles" is ambiguous. For example, [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Exploratory_mining#Mine_shafts this] method is very good at showing you what's inside of a tile without actually mining it out. Do you suppose that seeing whats inside is enough?

::Where do you think these numbers came from anyway? I'm gonna take a look through the edit history and try to track them down. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 00:15, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::They came during [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&diff=25038&oldid=24936 this edit]. They're so specific I've got to think the author did some poking around with a disassembler. Again, though, 200 is such a paltry number. If underground "open space" counts, then discovering a chasm, bottomless pit, or magma pipe should many thousands thousands of revealed tiles. If underground floor tiles are needed, you'll have to mine most of them out yourself.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:34, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::::I had a chat with [[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] over at his talk page, since he edited the page around the time the changes were made. He seemed fairly certain that all you had to do to "reveal" a tile was to have a passable square next to it, so I edited the article to reflect that. He did not, however, know anything about how bolts or stones would affect things. Right now my hopes are on [[User:Marble_Dice|Marble Dice]], whom I believe made the actual addition. I'm not sure if he's a very active user though.

::::By the way, the reason I'm doing all this is that I'm considering optimizing a fortress for strange moods: have '''lots''' of dwarves with only "dabbling" in a single strange mood skill to gain maximum benefit from the moods. Any ideas for fortress strategies that will go well with this? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 02:44, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::::I saw the conversation -- I keep my eye on [[Special:Recentchanges]]. What he says about "reveal" is correct, as far as I know. I still wonder about "open space" tiles. If they count as revealed, all you really need to do is find a chasm/pit/magma pipe and you'll be in moods for years to come.

:::::I've done the dabbling strategy in the past. It's best to emphasize just a few skills you really really want that are otherwise hard to train due to limited materials -- armorsmith, weaponsmith, bone carver, leatherworker, carpenter, etc. It works fine with any fortress strategy.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 04:30, 17 November 2008 (EST)

== Two missing labors ==

Strand Extractor and Blacksmith don't currently appear in either the Causes Moods category or the Doesn't Cause Moods category. I put Strand Extractor in Doesn't Cause Moods and the Blacksmith in Causes Moods; feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 19:59, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:I can confirm that blacksmith is moodable, I've got a nice steel chest to show for it. It stands to reason that strand extractor isn't moodable, but we don't know for sure -- I've slapped a verify on it.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 21:01, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:Confirmed that strand extractor doesnt have an associated strange mood. My strand extractor/fish cleaner/grower entered a strange mood and became a legendary bone carver. --[[User:Paradigmlost|Paradigmlost]] 06:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)

== Order of stuff ==

I'm wondering if dwarves always claim items in a certain order. For example, when a dwarf wants three pieces of wood he always wants them back-to-back, never wood gem wood bone wood. So are types ALWAYS in a certain order? My current moody dwarf wanted two bars of metal, then spider silk cloth, then ash logs, then bones, then a rough gem, then a shell. Knowing the order might help you guess what the dwarf wants next if he doesn't need to wait for anything (and thus tell you what he wants). This might be useful for micromanaging forbidding stuff to make sure your dwarf gets the highest value things available. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 23:19, 26 November 2008 (EST)

:<s>This is actually well-defined in the article, if you'd bothered to look close enough. Dwarves will gather items in the order they scream their demands in.</s> It's unknown. I think there's no real order, just similar things end up grouped together. :V --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)

::fail. Uh, I mean, as soon as anyone else sees a strange mood, it can either be disproven, or we can start putting some data together immediately and be done pretty quick. I saw: Metal Bars, Silk Cloth, Wood, Bones, Rough Gem, Shell. If anyone sees bones before wood or something, that means there's no guaranteed order. But no harm done. :) --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 23:36, 26 November 2008 (EST)

:::It's simpler than that. Items have a certain number of slots for improvements, and for artifacts the first improvement slot is always filled by the base material of the item. Then the rest are filled in order, with whatever is a valid candidate for that slot (which is probably 'anything that's anything' in every case, though I'm not absolutely sure.) So, there isn't any explicit sorting because it has to be in order.

:::If you fill an item's slots with ordinary decoration, which is easiest to do by encrusting a wide variety of gems on a piece of furniture or the like, you'll see what I mean. Maybe. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 23:40, 26 November 2008 (EST)

::::Ah! So you're saying that instead of generating a list of ingredients, it first plans out the artifact itself, saying "This one is a chest, it has hanging rings and an image, first let's get a material for the chest, then a material for the hanging rings, then a material for the image"? That makes a ton of sense, and answers my question. Thanks! --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 23:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Well, I know it doesn't do that, because if you close the game and reopen it, you can get different items... With my elf game, I had one artifact that came out as either a thong, a left mitten, or a rope on five tries. But it's roughly the same idea, even with the details randomized upon creation. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 00:05, 27 November 2008 (EST)

== Fell Mood Demands ==

It looks like when a brooding dwarf sits in the tanner's shop and says he needs "Things..." what he's looking for is vermin remains. Other demands are like in Fey moods. --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 22:24, 3 December 2008 (EST)

== Confusing macabre mood ==

My mayor just entered one, while 'quite content', claimed a smelter, waited for a bit, until the parts appeared (the vermin must have died). He then created a roach rock chitin bracelet, and gained the carpenter skill. Am I missing something here? Smelter, rock and carpenter don't seem to mix well... Note: The only skills were proficient cook and fish cleaner, with some dabbling and noice social.--[[User:Finbeer|Finbeer]] 13:03, 6 December 2008 (EST)

:Carpenter? Or wood crafter? Claiming a smelter isn't out of the question: they sometimes grab a random workshop and turn it into the one they want (is it still a smelter?). And what is roach rock? Give the actual description of the artifact.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:14, 6 December 2008 (EST)

::Carpenter. It's still a smelter, yes. "This is a large roach chitin bracelet. All craftsdwaftship is of the highest quality. It is encircled with bands of large roach chitin and dwarf bone. This object menaces with spikes of rat leather."--[[User:Finbeer|Finbeer]] 15:32, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:::Hmm. Post that one on the forums, find out if it's an actual bug. Does sound pretty nonstandard.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:50, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:::: :-D Pretty sure that a roach is an actual bug. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 09:00, 8 December 2008 (EST)

:::::D'oh.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:56, 8 December 2008 (EST)

::::::I did have two very close together, but I am certain that neither had any carpenter skill, and the smelter was claimed.

: I've just had a similar occurance. Immediately after a goblin ambush (that killed 5 of my soldiers and caused major unhappiness in many dwarves), one dwarf that had lost a friend but was just "content" clained a tanner's workshop, grabbed a rhesus macque chunk, and made a rather boring rhesus macaque leather amulet (no embelishments apart from rhesus macaque leather bands). It did have quite an impressive name though - Gethustongos Nelas Luror, "Harshtainted the Flicker of Cruelties". The dwarf herself became a Legendary Weaponsmith, despite having no weaponsmithing skill! (Her highest skill was unlabled armoring). [[User:Iapetus|Iapetus]] 19:47, 10 January 2009 (EST)
::I imagine the requirement for a macabre/fell mood is having a thought psychology of less than 0 (being 'unhappy'). "Quite Content" shows up until -25, and then 'fine' is -26 to -50, so either of these diagnoses would theoretically qualify for a fell/macabre mood. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 12:05, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:I think macabre moods have a bug or something. I had a fisherdwarf go macabre, and he was definitely very unhappy since my fortress had fallen into a terrible state of unhappiness (ask me some other time). He went to a butcher's workshop and made a Large Roach Chitin Ring. I can't remember what skill he got but it was definitely not leatherworking or butchery.--[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 05:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Rough Gems ==

EVERY Fey Mood that has happened for the last 3 years has required Rough Gems! Argh! Mining out an entire Z-level has found ONE GEM, which I was idiotic enough to cut the instant I found it. I do not have Rough Gems. You cannot buy Rough Gems. My fortress will die slowly and painfully without Rough Gems. Cut green glass is good enough when a fey dwarf demands cut gems, why isn't raw green glass good enough when they want rough gems? Can it be made good enough with a mod? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 11:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)

:Dig down to an igneous intrusive level - they have more gems. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)

::To mod out gem-demanding fey dwarves, you could remove all gems and then generate a new world. Alternatively, if you don't mind the lack of moods, turn them off in init.txt. Personally, I highly dislike moods, since they just make it that much easier to have abundant so-called "legendary" dwarves, although the random killer effect is quite nice. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:15, 13 December 2008 (EST)

:Regarding "why isn't raw green glass good enough when they want rough gems" -- it is good enough. I've had fey dwarves grab raw green glass a half-dozen times. I think it's more likely that all the raw green glass in your fortress was TASKED, and therefore unavailable to the fey dwarf. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 12:16, 12 January 2009 (EST)

==Trapper?==
Has anyone seen a dwarf get trapper experience from a mood? I've made a couple of artifact animal traps at this point, and all of them were by dwarves without the trapper skill who received xp in skills related to the material. (ie, my turtle-shell animal trap was made by someone who became a legendary bonecarver therefrom). I know I made a similar comment on the Trapper talk page. From the other end, I'm sure I've had immigrant trappers get moods before and have never seen a legendary trapper, although I don't recall specifically enough to be certain they had moods. But I've seen zero evidence that Trapper is actually a moodable skill. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 16:00, 15 December 2008 (EST)

==Craftdwarf's Workshop==
I just had a lye maker take over a metalsmith's forge and turn out a bracelet; now he's a legendary metalcrafter. I think that "Dwarves with only the following skills will construct their artifact at a craftsdwarf's workshop..." might be too constrictive, and that such dwarves could seize any craftdwarf-related workshop (including forges and carpenter's shops), not just a craftdwarf's workshop. Anyone else observed this behavior? --[[User:Wingus|Wingus]] 09:55, 22 December 2008 (EST)

:You're certain that the dwarf in question had no experience in any other tasks? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 11:19, 22 December 2008 (EST)

:Yes, the lyemaker had no other (non-social) skills. He was a recent immigrant I was using as a hauler. --[[User:Wingus|Wingus]] 11:35, 22 December 2008 (EST)

::There have been quite a few anomalous moods that we haven't documented properly yet.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:34, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Figure this falls here. Had a Potash Maker refuse every shop I built, I had thought I had a craft shop. Turns out it was forbidden, I reclaimed it and he claimed it for his mood. I think this is verified.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 15:18, 3 January 2009 (EST)

== Time limit of a mood. ==

Do we have a fix on the exact time the player has to satisfy a mood before the dwarf goes insane? Any clue on whether it's fixed or variable?
--[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 12:04, 27 December 2008 (EST)
:I don't have a specific time limit, nor have I checked for variability, but 60 days/2 months is very close to the limit in my experience. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 12:18, 12 January 2009 (EST)

== Injured with Mood? ==

I recently had a recruit break his arm in sparring, you know... dwarf stuff, anyways he went into a strange mood and now hes magically up out of bed and walking around to the workshop. Will this work too if the dwarf has a broken leg? EDIT: The dwarf just fell on the ground unconcsious... This could be a big problem

:I just had a dwarf who'd been resting for months with a broken left upper leg and broken lower body rise up and crawl to the mason's workshop. The power of Armok compels her! [[User:Heartofgoldfish|Heartofgoldfish]] 02:44, 13 February 2009 (EST)
::Her injuries weren't ones that would make her pass out, and so, she's completed Nishuthir, a limestone weapon rack! [[User:Heartofgoldfish|Heartofgoldfish]] 03:53, 13 February 2009 (EST)

==Siege Operator==
Is listed in the table as using a mechanics workshop. In the text to the left of the table says the dwarf will use a craftsdwarf's workshop. Which is correct?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 13:16, 2 March 2009 (EST)

:Siege operation produces nothing, so I'm fairly certain they use a craftdwarfs shop. But then, I've never had a Siege Operator (as highest skill) have a mood, so i can't absolutely verify that. I'd say even Siege Engineers need verification on what they do with moods - I've never seen one. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 20:54, 2 March 2009 (EST)
::I agree with your comments. Since I am using siege operators as a cross-training tool, several of my dwarfs are at legendary status. Each of them are dabbling weapon/armor smiths, so I'll update it when they get a mood. My last mood was a soldier with lots of soldier skills, but dabbling in metalwork, armor, and weaponsmith. I got a legendary weaponsmith out of it - Woot! Woot!
::As for the Siege engineer, I don't think they would produce a catapult or ballista part artifact. It just doesn't make sense. But, I agree, we definitely need to verify that one. --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 13:50, 3 March 2009 (EST)
::I had a dwarf (legendary siege op., novice clothes, stone crafter, dabbling other things) get a mood. He took a craftsdwarf's workshop. [[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]], do you want to fix the front page?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 20:58, 4 March 2009 (EST)
:::Reasonably certain I already made the correct change on presumption, but i'll take a look. (done) --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 08:20, 5 March 2009 (EST)
::::I edited that in about a month ago when I had an SO get a special mood and, yes, he claimed a mechanic's workshop. Probably worth verifying that independently but that's certainly what happened to me. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:13, 5 March 2009 (EST)
:::::The question would be 'was his highest mood skill mechanics', because that would cause him to take a mechanics workshop despite being a Siege Operator. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 09:36, 5 March 2009 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure I checked and that it was siege operation; although I wouldn't swear that I remember it clearly, I'd like to think that I would have checked before wikifying it. Certainly worth keeping the verify tag for now, though. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:51, 5 March 2009 (EST)
::::::I had a SO with no other skills take a craftdwarf's shop. He was a peasant before I made him train in SO. I can't yet verify siege engineer (The skill that produces catapult parts). It would make sense. [[User:Decius|Decius]] 08:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::In that case, my apologies. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

==Butcher==
Had a Butcher/Dabbling Tanner become a Legendary Tanner after a mood. Verified. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 08:23, 5 March 2009 (EST)

==Lye Maker==
Immigrant Lye Maker/Dabbling Leather Worker became a Legendary Leather Worker after a mood. Verified. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 11:31, 5 March 2009 (EST)

==Weirdness==
I just had a dwarf with legendary siege operator/legendary pump operator/legendary record keeper/ competent mason /previous mayor, so various levels of social and military skills that took a craftsdwarf's shop. I would have thought he'd take the mason's shop according to the rules here. Maybe the record keeper ALWAYS takes the craftdwarf's shop? Also, it was a possessed mood, so maybe that makes a difference?--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 11:31, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

Weird. I've had Legendary record keepers take appropriate workshops for their mood skills. Ditto pump operator. All my siege operators end up being dwarves who ended up with useless mood skills (generally because they had moods as children), but that would be really weird if SO was considered a moodable skill that took the *craftdwarf* workshop. Too bad it was possession, we can't see where he got xp. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 15:04, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

:There's evidence that if the highest skill doesn't have a workshop, they'll switch to the next highest skill, and if that doesn't have a workshop, the next after that. Possibly, the game only checks this a certain number of times, say, twice, and then defaults to craftsman's workshop. This would eliminate instances where maybe a peasant has constructed a wall or two in his time, but he's a much better comedian, liar, and pacifier. Obviously, he's not a mason of any sort, so he defaults to craftsdwarf. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 06:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I've had a couple possessed dwarves take craftdwarf's shops even though they had an applicable skill. I think that maybe the rules are a little difference for possesion; it would make sense since if you're possessed it shouldn't be your skills that matter. I don't know if this is just a fluke though, so it would be good to have confirmation. --[[User:Lemursdon'texist|Lemursdon'texist]] 16:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Mikaka, I don't agree. In my experience, if the highest '''moodable''' skill workshop doesn't exist, the dwarf just wonders around (and will eventually go insane unless the building gets built). I take my non-mood dwarfs (dyers, farmers, furnace operators) and have them make ONE piece of armor. When they get a mood, they always go to the forge and become legendary armorsmiths. Possessions, like Lemurs mentioned above, are different from other moods. Skills don't matter and they don't get experience for it.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 17:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Kablebes==

Craftsdwarf's Workshop

This building has been claimed by Zas Dedukudil, Farmer.

Zas Dedukudil keeps muttering Kablebes...

That is all. No other mutterings, nothing. --[[User:Zphobic|Zphobic]] 21:23, 15 April 2009 (CST)

::He's muttering the name of the thing that he will eventually produce. Don't worry about it, he's got everything he needs and is working. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 09:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== military ==
"Further, dwarfs with a military profession other than "Recruit" can '''not''' enter moods"

Does this mean that they can't be moody ''while'' being soldier and, as that, say, marksdwarf, but they can be moody as civilians while having skill in marksdwarf ''or'' does it not matter if soldier or civilian as long as marksdwarf is not their highest skill? --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 19:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:I would need to look at the disassembly again to be absolutely sure, but what I remember is that if a military skill is their highest (non-social) skill, they won't enter into moods.   —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 00:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::Hol - it's all about [[profession]]s. 0x5 - that's what your analysis of this said when you posted it on the forums. Military professions simply don't take moods. I'll edit and emphasize/clarify that.
::EDIT - Gah. Now that I'm half-way into it, I know how moods work, but I'm starting to doubt how the game reads "professions" - does activating change a dwarf's profession in the eyes of Moods? If a legendary Brewer has 2 ranks of hammerdwarf and are activated, are they a "brewer" or a "macedwarf"? --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 01:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Personality ==

I'm 90% certain personality traits like "feels strong urges" "has a fertile imagination" and one other trait greatly influence the development of moods.

40d:Thought

2009-06-06T08:03:20Z

Eerr: /* Happy thoughts */

Dwarf psychology is not all that complex - various events cause dwarves to gain 'thoughts'. Thoughts have a happiness/unhappiness value. The value of all the thoughts a particular dwarf has is simply summed to determine how happy or unhappy they are. If dwarves are particularly unhappy, they may throw [[tantrum]]s, and may enter fell or macabre [[strange mood]]s.

To view a dwarf's thoughts, press {{key|v}} on the dwarf. Then press {{key|p}}(preferences) -> {{key|z}} -> {{key|enter}}. 
Now you will see descriptions on how the dwarf feels ''(Ecstatic, happy, content, unhappy, miserable)'', and what recent events made an impact on the dwarf. There are also some personal traits listed on the bottom.

== Happy thoughts ==
A catalog of happy thoughts:
* "Slept in a (good) quality [[bedroom]] recently"
* "Dined in a (good) quality [[dining room]] lately"
* "Had a pretty decent/fine/good/wonderful/truly decadent drink/meal lately" -boosted by food pref?
* "Is quite pleased with making an [[artifact]]" - huge boost
* "Admired a fine craft/furniture/building lately"
* "Admired a own fine craft/furniture/building lately" -both of these boosted by material pref.
* "Made a friend recently"
* "Talked with a friend lately"
* "Talked with the spouse lately"
* "Talked with a parent lately" -Child
* "Was comforted by a pet recently"
* "Received [[water]]/[[food]] recently"
* "Gave somebody water/food lately"
* "Was comforted by a lovely waterfall lately" - Mist from falling water
* "Has been rescued recently" - Wounded
* "Was able to rest and recuperate lately" - Wounded
* "Made a satisfying acquisition lately."
* "Has been satisfied at work lately" -boosted by prefrences
* "Had a satisfying sparring session lately"
* "Pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately" - your treating the nobles wrong, they get cocky
* "Conducted a meeting in a great setting recently"
* "Was honored to join the Fortress Guard"
* "Took joy in slaughter lately"
* "Beat somebody with a hammer recently" - Hammerer
* "Was glad to have punishment delayed recently" - Criminal
* "Is happy to be free" - criminal after his sentence ended
* "Was very pleased to receive a higher rank of nobility recently" - Count
* "Was very happy to be elected mayor recently" - Mayor
* "Was satisfied to bring up job scarcity in a meeting lately" - after a meeting at the manager's office
* "Cried on somebody in charge lately and felt a little/lot better afterwards" - result of an unhappy dwarf using manager's consoler skill.
* "Shouted at someone in charge recently, and felt better afterwards" - result of an unhappy dwarf using manager's pacifier skill.

==Unhappy thoughts ==
A catalog of unhappy thoughts:
* "Slept without a [[bed]] / Slept in the mud"
* "Slept without a decent room lately"
* "Ate in poor dining room recently" - Noble
* "Slept uneasily due to [[noise]] recently"
* "Was awoken by noise while sleeping lately"
* "Complained of the lack of [[chair]]s / [[table]]s"
* "Was upset to be wearing old/tattered clothing lately" -removed/deffered for later versions
* "Complained about the [[military|draft]]"
* "Complained of thirst lately"
* "Has been dehydrated"
* "Has been starving lately"
* "Was upset at having given aid to someone lately" -personality trait
* "Lost a good friend/husband/wife/child"
* "Had a miscarriage recently" - Married female
* "Was knocked out during a cave-in lately"
* "Sustained minor injuries lately"
* "Was annoyed by [[vermin]]"
* "Has been accosted by terrible vermin" -personal dislike
* "Was disgusted by [[miasma]]"
* "Has been annoyed by flies"
* "Was [[Cave adaptation|nauseated]] by the sun lately"
* "Has witnessed death"
* "Is depressed about being [[Justice|confined]]"
* "Was unhappy with the lack of work last season"''
* "Was unable to make suggestions about [[manager|work allocations]] lately" - Manager
* "Was unable to find someone to complain to about job scarcity lately"
* "Was shouted at by an unhappy citizen lately" - After counselling an unhappy dwarf
* "Was upset to have disappointed a noble recently" - Tax Collector
* "Was misinformed about a room for tax collection recently" - Tax Collector
* "Was worried not to have adequate protection lately" - Tax Collector
* "Was upset by having a mandate ignored lately" (heh noble getts whats coming to him!)
* "Conducted a meeting in an awful setting recently" - Mayor
* "Was angered that nobody could be punished for a recent failure" - Noble
* "Was upset/flattened/shattered by a lesser's pretentious sleeping/dining/office/burial arrangements lately" - Noble
* "Has been evicted lately"
* "Formed a grudge recently"

== The mechanics of thoughts ==

{{Spoiler|The rest of this page|the exact mechanics of thoughts}}

{{Old|0.23.130.23a|, the 2D version}}

A dwarf's emotional state is quantified in a single number. This number is computed by summing the modifier for each thought the dwarf is currently remembering. Each thought lasts one year, and after half a year has passed since gaining a thought, the modifier is halved, rounding away from zero (so 7 halved would be 4 and -9 halved would be -5). There is no way to tell the age of a thought.

The resulting number is then used in this table:


* +50 or more: ecstatic
* +25 to +49: happy
* -25 to +24: quite content
* -50 to -24: fine
* -76 to -51: unhappy
* -99 to -75: very unhappy
* -100 or less: miserable


The method by which one is chosen for thoughts with multiple malus possibilities is presently unknown. It appears that some are merely incremented for each occurrence. Others apparently are chosen by the severity of the incident that caused the thought.

<pre>
is happy to be free +1000
is quite pleased with making an artifact +1000
was forced to eat a treasured pet to survive lately -1000
has suffered the travesty of art defacement up to -1000 (depends on number of masterwork items created)

slept <place> recently -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
* in the mud
* in the grass
* in the dirt
* on rocks
* on a rough cave floor
* on the floor

has <ailment> lately -5
* complained of hunger
* complained of thirst
* been tired
has been <ailment> lately -30
* starving
* dehydrated
* exhausted

dined in a <quality> dining room recently
* legendary +20
* fantastic +10
* great +5
* very good +3
* good +2
slept in a bedroom like a personal palace recently +20
slept in a <quality> bedroom recently
* fantastic +10
* great +5
* very good +3
* good +2

was worried by the scarcity of <guards,prison> lately -10
* royal guards
* fortress guards
* cages and chains

{ate/had} a <quality> {meal/drink} lately
* legendary +20
* truly decadent +10
* wonderful +5
* fine +3
* pretty decent +2

I plan to explain how this the notation list works later, but for now I'll
just put this note to explain the above note. It is either "ate a <quality>
meal lately" or "had a <quality> drink lately"

has lost a <close one> recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
* spouse
* friend to tragedy
* sibling to tragedy
* child to tragedy
* mother to tragedy
* father to tragedy

I have formatted all of the above. The below may use a different formatting
system than the above.

has complained about the draft lately -30
was upset about being relieved from duty -30
was upset about being expelled from the Royal Guard -30
was upset about being expelled from the Fortress Guard -20

was able to rest and recuperate lately +10
received water recently +10
received food recently +10
was rescued recently +10

had a miscarriage recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
has been evicted lately -10
has been attacked lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
has been attacked by the dead lately -50,-30,-20,or -10
was unable to reach a room for tax collection lately -5
was misinformed about a room for tax collection lately -5
was upset that the tax collection didn't go smoothly lately -10
has been taxed recently -5
has lost property to the Royal Guard recently -10
was upset to have disappointed a noble lately -10
has complained of the lack of chairs lately -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
has complained of the crowded tables lately -2
has complained of the lack of dining tables lately -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
was forced to eat vermin to survive lately -30,-20,or -10
was forced to eat a beloved creature to survive lately -50
has complained of the lack of a well lately -5,-3 or -2
has complained of the nasty water lately TBD
was forced to drink slime lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
was forced to drink vomit lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
was forced to drink bloody water lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
slept uneasily due to noise lately -2
slept very uneasily due to noise lately -5
was woken by noise while sleeping lately -10
was worried not to have adequate protection lately -10
has been annoyed by flies -5,-3 or -2
has been accosted by terrible vermin -30,-20,or -10
saw something unpleasant in a cage recently -10,-5,or -3
saw something unpleasant in a pond recently -10,-5,or -3
has witnessed death -30,-20,-10,or -5
has lost a pet recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
has lost a pet recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
accidentally killed somebody in a fit of rage recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
killed somebody by accident while sparring recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
was forced to endure the decay of a {related dwarf or pet} recently -20,-10,-5,or -3
ate rotten food lately -10,-5,or -3
drank something spoiled lately -10,-5,or -3
was {unhappiness level} by long patrol duty lately TBD
was disgusted by a bloody mist lately -10,-5,-3,or -2
was disgusted by a miasma lately -10,-5,-3,or -2
choked on smoke underground lately -5,-3 or -2
choked on dust underground lately -5,-3 or -2
was knocked out during a cave-in lately -20,-10,-5,or -3
was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room -50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom-50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
was incredibly embarrassed not to have any rooms lately -50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
sustained major injuries recently -30,-20,-10,or -5
sustained minor injuries recently -20,-10,-5,or -3
slept without a proper room recently -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
slept in a horribly substandard bedroom recently -20
slept in a horrible bedroom recently -10
slept in an awful bedroom recently -5
slept in a very poor bedroom recently -3
slept in a poor bedroom recently -2
conducted a meeting in a horribly substandard setting recently -30
conducted a meeting in a horrible setting recently -20
conducted a meeting in an awful setting recently -10
conducted a meeting in a very poor setting recently -5
conducted a meeting in a poor setting recently -3
dined in a horribly substandard dining room recently -20
dined in a horrible dining room recently -10
dined in an awful dining room recently -5
dined in a very poor dining room recently -3
dined in a poor dining room recently -2
dined without a proper dining room recently -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
worried greatly about not have a tomb after gaining another year-50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
worried about having a horribly substandard tomb after gaining another year -30
worried about having a horrible tomb after gaining another year -20
worried about having an awful tomb after gaining another year -10
worried about having a very poor tomb after gaining another year-5
worried about having a poor tomb after gaining another year -3
was greatly angered at the state of demands recently -10
was very angered at the state of demands recently -5
was angered at the state of demands recently -3
was upset by not having enough chests lately -3
was upset by not having enough cabinets lately -3
was upset by not having enough armor stands lately -3
was upset by not having enough weapon racks lately -3
was upset to be wearing old clothing lately -3 or -2
was upset to be wearing tattered clothing lately -5,-3 or -2
was very upset to have worn clothes rot away lately -10,-5,or -3
was very embarrassed to be uncovered lately -20,-10,or -5
was embarrassed to have no shirt lately -10,-5,or -3
was embarrassed to have no shoes lately -10,-5,or -3
was very embarrassed to be uncloaked lately -20,-10,or -5
was caught in the rain recently -3 or -2
was caught in a snow storm recently -3 or -2
was {unhappiness level} by a lesser's pretentious {building} arrangements lately TBD
The above is for nobles only.
was unable to find an available hammer lately -50
was upset by having a mandate ignored lately -5
was upset by having a mandate deadline missed lately -3
was upset by having a request ignored lately -5
was angered that nobody could be punished for a recent failure -10
was upset that a criminal could not be properly punished -5
was upset by the delayed punishment of a criminal -5
was beaten recently -10,-5,or -3
was beaten with a hammer recently -20,-10,-5,or -3
is depressed about being confined -10
was unhappy with the amount of available work last season -10
had a terrifying nightmare about an army of the dead -20
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a cage recently +3
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a pond recently +3
was pleased by having a request approved lately +5
was glad to have punishment reduced recently +20
was glad to have punishment delayed recently +20
beat somebody recently +5
beat somebody with a hammer recently +5
was honored to join the Royal Guard +20
was honored to join the Fortress Guard +10
has been satisfied at work lately +5
was happy to have pleased a noble lately +10
made a satisfying acquisition lately +10
adopted a new pet recently +10
took joy in slaughter lately +10
was comforted by a pet lately +5
saw a beloved creature lately +5
was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately +10
talked with a friend lately +2
made a friend recently +5
was pleased that the tax collection went smoothly lately +10
was comforted by a lovely waterfall lately +5
conducted a meeting in a setting worthy of legends recently +30
conducted a meeting in a fantastic setting recently +20
conducted a meeting in a great setting recently +10
conducted a meeting in a very good setting recently +5
conducted a meeting in a good setting recently +3
was greatly pleased at the state of demands recently +10
was very pleased at the state of demands recently +5
was pleased at the state of demands recently +3
celebrated having a legendary tomb after gaining another year +30
celebrated having a fantastic tomb after gaining another year +20
celebrated having a great tomb after gaining another year +10
celebrated having a very good tomb after gaining another year +5
celebrated having a good tomb after gaining another year +3
enjoyed starting a fist fight recently +20
enjoyed smashing up a building recently +20
enjoyed toppling something over recently +10
enjoyed throwing something recently +5
had a satisfying sparring session recently +10
was nauseated by the sun lately -20
was irritated by the sun lately -10
</pre>

== All thoughts in current version ==

From the [[string dump]]:

It should be reasonably clear which are positive and negative.

Some have been edited here from the raw versions in the string dump, since they are built up from component substrings.

<pre>
gave birth to ___ recently
got married recently
became caught up in a new romance recently
gained siblings
gained a sibling
became a parent
slept uneasily due to noise lately
slept very uneasily due to noise lately
was woken by noise while sleeping lately
has been evicted lately
has been tired lately
had a miscarriage recently
has been exhausted lately
has complained of hunger lately
has complained of thirst lately
has been starving lately
has been dehydrated lately
was worried by the scarcity of royal guards lately
was worried by the scarcity of fortress guards lately
was worried by the scarcity of cages and chains lately
was unable to reach a room for tax collection lately
was misinformed about a room for tax collection lately
was upset that the tax collection didn't go smoothly lately
has been taxed recently
has lost property to the Royal Guard recently
was upset to have disappointed a noble lately
has been attacked lately
has been attacked by a dead pet lately
has been attacked by a dead spouse lately
has been attacked by a dead lover lately
has been attacked by a dead sibling lately
has been attacked by own dead mother lately
has been attacked by own dead father lately
has been attacked by own dead child lately
has been attacked by a dead friend lately
has been attacked by a dead and still annoying acquaintance lately
has been attacked by the dead lately
was forced to eat vermin to survive lately
was forced to eat a beloved creature to survive lately
was forced to eat a treasured pet to survive lately
has complained of the lack of chairs lately
has complained of the crowded tables lately
has complained of the lack of dining tables lately
has complained of the lack of a well lately
has complained of the nasty water lately
was forced to drink ___ water lately
was forced to drink slime lately
was forced to drink vomit lately
has suffered the travesty of art defacement
has been annoyed by flies
has witnessed death
has lost a pet recently
is happy to be free
had a satisfying sparring session recently
killed somebody by accident while sparring recently
enjoyed starting a fist fight recently
enjoyed smashing up a building recently
enjoyed toppling something over recently
enjoyed throwing something recently
accidentally killed somebody in a fit of rage recently
has lost a spouse to tragedy recently
has lost a lover to tragedy recently
had a terrifying nightmare about an army of the dead
has lost an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
was just a little happy to lose an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
was happy to lose an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
was thrilled to lose an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
has lost a friend to tragedy recently
has lost a sibling to tragedy recently
has lost a child to tragedy recently
has lost a mother to tragedy recently
has lost a father to tragedy recently
was forced to endure the decay of a pet
was forced to endure the decay of a spouse
was forced to endure the decay of a lover
was forced to endure the decay of a sibling
was forced to endure the decay of a mother
was forced to endure the decay of a father
was forced to endure the decay of a child
was forced to endure the decay of a friend
was forced to endure the decay of an annoying acquaintance
has been accosted by terrible vermin
saw something unpleasant in a cage recently
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a cage recently
saw something unpleasant in a pond recently
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a pond recently
was able to rest and recuperate lately
received water recently
received food recently
was rescued recently
was overjoyed to be able to give somebody water lately
was happy to have been able to give somebody water lately
was pleased to have been able to give somebody water lately
gave somebody water lately
was irritated at having to give somebody water lately
was unhappy at having to give somebody water lately
has suffered the pain of having to give somebody water lately
was overjoyed to be able to give somebody food lately
was happy to have been able to give somebody food lately
was pleased to have been able to give somebody food lately
gave somebody food lately
was irritated at having to give somebody food lately
was unhappy at having to give somebody food lately
has suffered the pain of having to give somebody food lately
was overjoyed to be able to help somebody to bed lately
was happy to have been able to help somebody to bed lately
was pleased to have been able to help somebody to bed lately
brought somebody to bed lately
was irritated at having to haul somebody to bed lately
was unhappy at having to haul somebody to bed lately
has suffered the pain of having to haul somebody to bed lately
has complained about the draft lately
was worried not to have adequate protection lately
was upset about being relieved from duty
was honored to join the Royal Guard
was upset about being expelled from the Royal Guard
was honored to join the Fortress Guard
was upset about being expelled from the Fortress Guard
has been satisfied at work lately
was happy to have pleased a noble lately
was pleased that the tax collection went smoothly lately
is quite pleased with making an artifact
was upset that a criminal could not be properly punished
was glad to have punishment reduced recently
was upset by the delayed punishment of a criminal
was glad to have punishment delayed recently
beat somebody recently
beat somebody with a hammer recently
was beaten recently
was beaten with a hammer recently
is depressed about being confined
made a satisfying acquisition lately
talked with a pet lately
talked with the spouse lately
talked with a lover lately
talked with a sibling lately
talked with mother lately
talked with father lately
talked with a child lately
talked with a friend lately
was forced to talk to somebody annoying lately
talked with somebody lately
made a friend recently
formed a grudge recently
adopted a new pet recently
was unhappy with the lack of work last season
was caught in the rain recently
was caught in a snow storm recently
has been tired of eating the same old food lately
has been tired of drinking the same old booze lately
ate rotten food lately
drank something spoiled lately
took joy in slaughter lately
ate a pretty decent meal lately
ate a fine dish lately
ate a wonderful dish lately
ate a truly decadent dish lately
ate a legendary meal lately
had a pretty decent drink lately
had a fine drink lately
had a wonderful drink lately
had a truly decadent drink lately
had a legendary drink lately
was comforted by a pet lately
saw a beloved creature lately
was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately
was angered that nobody could be punished for a recent failure
was upset by having a request ignored lately
was pleased by having a request approved lately
was upset by having a mandate ignored lately
was upset by having a mandate deadline missed lately
was comforted by a lovely waterfall lately
was disgusted by a bloody mist lately
was disgusted by a miasma lately
choked on dust underground lately
choked on smoke underground lately
was knocked out during a cave-in lately
was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room
was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom
was incredibly embarrassed not to have any rooms lately
was very happy to be elected mayor recently
was very happy to be re-elected mayor recently
was very satisfied to be chosen as the expedition leader recently
was very pleased to receive a higher rank of nobility recently
was proud to have become a mayor recently
sustained major injuries recently
sustained minor injuries recently
slept in the mud recently
slept in the grass recently
slept in the dirt recently
slept on rocks recently
slept on ice recently
slept on a pile of driftwood recently
slept on a rough cave floor recently
slept on the floor recently
slept in a bedroom like a personal palace recently
slept in a fantastic bedroom recently
slept in a great bedroom recently
slept in a very good bedroom recently
slept in a good bedroom recently
slept in a horribly substandard bedroom recently
slept in a horrible bedroom recently
slept in an awful bedroom recently
slept in a very poor bedroom recently
slept in a poor bedroom recently
slept without a proper room recently
conducted a meeting in a setting worthy of legends recently
conducted a meeting in a fantastic setting recently
conducted a meeting in a great setting recently
conducted a meeting in a very good setting recently
conducted a meeting in a good setting recently
conducted a meeting in a horribly substandard setting recently
conducted a meeting in a horrible setting recently
conducted a meeting in an awful setting recently
conducted a meeting in a very poor setting recently
conducted a meeting in a poor setting recently
dined in a legendary dining room recently
dined in a fantastic dining room recently
dined in a great dining room recently
dined in a very good dining room recently
dined in a good dining room recently
dined in a horribly substandard dining room recently
dined in a horrible dining room recently
dined in an awful dining room recently
dined in a very poor dining room recently
dined in a poor dining room recently
dined without a proper dining room recently
worried greatly about not having a tomb after gaining another year
celebrated having a legendary tomb after gaining another year
celebrated having a fantastic tomb after gaining another year
celebrated having a great tomb after gaining another year
celebrated having a very good tomb after gaining another year
celebrated having a good tomb after gaining another year
worried about having a horribly substandard tomb after gaining another year
worried about having a horrible tomb after gaining another year
worried about having an awful tomb after gaining another year
worried about having a very poor tomb after gaining another year
worried about having a poor tomb after gaining another year
was greatly pleased at the state of demands recently
was very pleased at the state of demands recently
was pleased at the state of demands recently
was greatly angered at the state of demands recently
was very angered at the state of demands recently
was angered at the state of demands recently
was upset by not having enough chests lately
was upset by not having enough cabinets lately
was upset by not having enough armor stands lately
was upset by not having enough weapon racks lately
was upset to be wearing old clothing lately
was upset to be wearing tattered clothing lately
was very upset to have worn clothes rot away lately
was very embarrassed to be uncovered lately
was embarrassed to have no shirt lately
was embarrassed to have no shoes lately
was very embarrassed to be uncloaked lately
was unable to find an available hammer lately
was nauseated by the sun lately
was irritated by the sun lately
was grumbling about/depressed by/angered by/enraged by ___ long patrol duty lately
was yelled at by an unhappy citizen recently
was cried on by an unhappy citizen recently
was satisfied to bring up job scarcity in a meeting lately
was able to make suggestions about work allocations lately
was glad to request weapon production lately
had a cathartic experience yelling at somebody in charge lately
yelled at somebody in charge lately and felt fantastic afterward
yelled at somebody in charge lately and felt great afterward
yelled at somebody in charge lately and felt a lot better afterward
yelled at somebody in charge lately and felt better afterward
yelled at somebody in charge lately and felt a little better afterward
yelled at somebody in charge lately
yelled at somebody in charge lately but only got angrier
had a cathartic experience crying on somebody in charge lately
cried on somebody in charge lately and felt fantastic afterward
cried on somebody in charge lately and felt great afterward
cried on somebody in charge lately and felt a lot better afterward
cried on somebody in charge lately and felt better afterward
cried on somebody in charge lately and felt a little better afterward
cried on somebody in charge lately
cried on somebody in charge lately but only felt more depressed
was unable to find somebody to complain to about job scarcity lately
was unable to make suggestions about work allocations lately
was unable to request weapon production lately
was unable to find somebody in charge to yell at lately
was unable to find somebody in charge to cry on lately
put off/flustered/upset/very upset/greatly upset/angered/enraged/traumatized/utterly traumatized by a lesser's pretentious burial/office/dining/sleeping arrangements lately
admired (own?) very fine/splendid/wonderful/completely sublime/tastefully arranged ___ lately
</pre>

[[Category:Thoughts| ]]

40d:Thought

2009-06-06T07:51:22Z

Eerr: /* Unhappy thoughts */

Dwarf psychology is not all that complex - various events cause dwarves to gain 'thoughts'. Thoughts have a happiness/unhappiness value. The value of all the thoughts a particular dwarf has is simply summed to determine how happy or unhappy they are. If dwarves are particularly unhappy, they may throw [[tantrum]]s, and may enter fell or macabre [[strange mood]]s.

To view a dwarf's thoughts, press {{key|v}} on the dwarf. Then press {{key|p}}(preferences) -> {{key|z}} -> {{key|enter}}. 
Now you will see descriptions on how the dwarf feels ''(Ecstatic, happy, content, unhappy, miserable)'', and what recent events made an impact on the dwarf. There are also some personal traits listed on the bottom.

== Happy thoughts ==
A catalog of happy thoughts:
* "Slept in a good quality [[bedroom]] recently"
* "Dined in a good quality [[dining room]] lately"
* "Had a pretty decent/fine/good/wonderful/truly decadent drink/meal lately"
* "Is quite pleased with making an [[artifact]]"
* "Admired a fine craft/furniture/building lately"
* "Admired a own fine craft/furniture/building lately"
* "Made a friend recently"
* "Talked with a friend lately"
* "Talked with the spouse lately"
* "Was comforted by a pet recently"
* "Received [[water]]/[[food]] recently"
* "Gave somebody water/food lately"
* "Has been rescued recently" - Wounded
* "Was able to rest and recuperate lately" - Wounded
* "Made a satisfying acquisition lately."
* "Has been satisfied at work lately
* "Had a satisfying sparring session lately"
* "Pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately"
* "Conducted a meeting in a great setting recently"
* "Was honored to join the Fortress Guard"
* "Took joy in slaughter lately"
* "Beat somebody with a hammer recently" - Hammerer
* "Was glad to have punishment delayed recently" - Criminal
* "Is happy to be free" - criminal after his sentence ended
* "Was very pleased to receive a higher rank of nobility recently" - Count
* "Was satisfied to bring up job scarcity in a meeting lately" - after a meeting at the manager's office
* "Cried on somebody in charge lately and felt a little/lot better afterwards" - result of an unhappy dwarf using manager's consoler skill.
* "Shouted at someone in charge recently, and felt better afterwards" - result of an unhappy dwarf using manager's pacifier skill.

==Unhappy thoughts ==
A catalog of unhappy thoughts:
* "Slept without a [[bed]] / Slept in the mud"
* "Slept without a decent room lately"
* "Ate in poor dining room recently" - Noble
* "Slept uneasily due to [[noise]] recently"
* "Was awoken by noise while sleeping lately"
* "Complained of the lack of [[chair]]s / [[table]]s"
* "Was upset to be wearing old/tattered clothing lately" -removed/deffered for later versions
* "Complained about the [[military|draft]]"
* "Complained of thirst lately"
* "Has been dehydrated"
* "Has been starving lately"
* "Was upset at having given aid to someone lately" -personality trait
* "Lost a good friend/husband/wife/child"
* "Had a miscarriage recently" - Married female
* "Was knocked out during a cave-in lately"
* "Sustained minor injuries lately"
* "Was annoyed by [[vermin]]"
* "Has been accosted by terrible vermin" -personal dislike
* "Was disgusted by [[miasma]]"
* "Has been annoyed by flies"
* "Was [[Cave adaptation|nauseated]] by the sun lately"
* "Has witnessed death"
* "Is depressed about being [[Justice|confined]]"
* "Was unhappy with the lack of work last season"''
* "Was unable to make suggestions about [[manager|work allocations]] lately" - Manager
* "Was unable to find someone to complain to about job scarcity lately"
* "Was shouted at by an unhappy citizen lately" - After counselling an unhappy dwarf
* "Was upset to have disappointed a noble recently" - Tax Collector
* "Was misinformed about a room for tax collection recently" - Tax Collector
* "Was worried not to have adequate protection lately" - Tax Collector
* "Was upset by having a mandate ignored lately" (heh noble getts whats coming to him!)
* "Conducted a meeting in an awful setting recently" - Mayor
* "Was angered that nobody could be punished for a recent failure" - Noble
* "Was upset/flattened/shattered by a lesser's pretentious sleeping/dining/office/burial arrangements lately" - Noble
* "Has been evicted lately"
* "Formed a grudge recently"

== The mechanics of thoughts ==

{{Spoiler|The rest of this page|the exact mechanics of thoughts}}

{{Old|0.23.130.23a|, the 2D version}}

A dwarf's emotional state is quantified in a single number. This number is computed by summing the modifier for each thought the dwarf is currently remembering. Each thought lasts one year, and after half a year has passed since gaining a thought, the modifier is halved, rounding away from zero (so 7 halved would be 4 and -9 halved would be -5). There is no way to tell the age of a thought.

The resulting number is then used in this table:


* +50 or more: ecstatic
* +25 to +49: happy
* -25 to +24: quite content
* -50 to -24: fine
* -76 to -51: unhappy
* -99 to -75: very unhappy
* -100 or less: miserable


The method by which one is chosen for thoughts with multiple malus possibilities is presently unknown. It appears that some are merely incremented for each occurrence. Others apparently are chosen by the severity of the incident that caused the thought.

<pre>
is happy to be free +1000
is quite pleased with making an artifact +1000
was forced to eat a treasured pet to survive lately -1000
has suffered the travesty of art defacement up to -1000 (depends on number of masterwork items created)

slept <place> recently -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
* in the mud
* in the grass
* in the dirt
* on rocks
* on a rough cave floor
* on the floor

has <ailment> lately -5
* complained of hunger
* complained of thirst
* been tired
has been <ailment> lately -30
* starving
* dehydrated
* exhausted

dined in a <quality> dining room recently
* legendary +20
* fantastic +10
* great +5
* very good +3
* good +2
slept in a bedroom like a personal palace recently +20
slept in a <quality> bedroom recently
* fantastic +10
* great +5
* very good +3
* good +2

was worried by the scarcity of <guards,prison> lately -10
* royal guards
* fortress guards
* cages and chains

{ate/had} a <quality> {meal/drink} lately
* legendary +20
* truly decadent +10
* wonderful +5
* fine +3
* pretty decent +2

I plan to explain how this the notation list works later, but for now I'll
just put this note to explain the above note. It is either "ate a <quality>
meal lately" or "had a <quality> drink lately"

has lost a <close one> recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
* spouse
* friend to tragedy
* sibling to tragedy
* child to tragedy
* mother to tragedy
* father to tragedy

I have formatted all of the above. The below may use a different formatting
system than the above.

has complained about the draft lately -30
was upset about being relieved from duty -30
was upset about being expelled from the Royal Guard -30
was upset about being expelled from the Fortress Guard -20

was able to rest and recuperate lately +10
received water recently +10
received food recently +10
was rescued recently +10

had a miscarriage recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
has been evicted lately -10
has been attacked lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
has been attacked by the dead lately -50,-30,-20,or -10
was unable to reach a room for tax collection lately -5
was misinformed about a room for tax collection lately -5
was upset that the tax collection didn't go smoothly lately -10
has been taxed recently -5
has lost property to the Royal Guard recently -10
was upset to have disappointed a noble lately -10
has complained of the lack of chairs lately -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
has complained of the crowded tables lately -2
has complained of the lack of dining tables lately -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
was forced to eat vermin to survive lately -30,-20,or -10
was forced to eat a beloved creature to survive lately -50
has complained of the lack of a well lately -5,-3 or -2
has complained of the nasty water lately TBD
was forced to drink slime lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
was forced to drink vomit lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
was forced to drink bloody water lately -30,-20,-10,or -5
slept uneasily due to noise lately -2
slept very uneasily due to noise lately -5
was woken by noise while sleeping lately -10
was worried not to have adequate protection lately -10
has been annoyed by flies -5,-3 or -2
has been accosted by terrible vermin -30,-20,or -10
saw something unpleasant in a cage recently -10,-5,or -3
saw something unpleasant in a pond recently -10,-5,or -3
has witnessed death -30,-20,-10,or -5
has lost a pet recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
has lost a pet recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
accidentally killed somebody in a fit of rage recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
killed somebody by accident while sparring recently -50,-30,-20,or -10
was forced to endure the decay of a {related dwarf or pet} recently -20,-10,-5,or -3
ate rotten food lately -10,-5,or -3
drank something spoiled lately -10,-5,or -3
was {unhappiness level} by long patrol duty lately TBD
was disgusted by a bloody mist lately -10,-5,-3,or -2
was disgusted by a miasma lately -10,-5,-3,or -2
choked on smoke underground lately -5,-3 or -2
choked on dust underground lately -5,-3 or -2
was knocked out during a cave-in lately -20,-10,-5,or -3
was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room -50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom-50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
was incredibly embarrassed not to have any rooms lately -50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
sustained major injuries recently -30,-20,-10,or -5
sustained minor injuries recently -20,-10,-5,or -3
slept without a proper room recently -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
slept in a horribly substandard bedroom recently -20
slept in a horrible bedroom recently -10
slept in an awful bedroom recently -5
slept in a very poor bedroom recently -3
slept in a poor bedroom recently -2
conducted a meeting in a horribly substandard setting recently -30
conducted a meeting in a horrible setting recently -20
conducted a meeting in an awful setting recently -10
conducted a meeting in a very poor setting recently -5
conducted a meeting in a poor setting recently -3
dined in a horribly substandard dining room recently -20
dined in a horrible dining room recently -10
dined in an awful dining room recently -5
dined in a very poor dining room recently -3
dined in a poor dining room recently -2
dined without a proper dining room recently -30,-20,-10,-5,-3,or -2
worried greatly about not have a tomb after gaining another year-50,-30,-20,-10,-5,or -3
worried about having a horribly substandard tomb after gaining another year -30
worried about having a horrible tomb after gaining another year -20
worried about having an awful tomb after gaining another year -10
worried about having a very poor tomb after gaining another year-5
worried about having a poor tomb after gaining another year -3
was greatly angered at the state of demands recently -10
was very angered at the state of demands recently -5
was angered at the state of demands recently -3
was upset by not having enough chests lately -3
was upset by not having enough cabinets lately -3
was upset by not having enough armor stands lately -3
was upset by not having enough weapon racks lately -3
was upset to be wearing old clothing lately -3 or -2
was upset to be wearing tattered clothing lately -5,-3 or -2
was very upset to have worn clothes rot away lately -10,-5,or -3
was very embarrassed to be uncovered lately -20,-10,or -5
was embarrassed to have no shirt lately -10,-5,or -3
was embarrassed to have no shoes lately -10,-5,or -3
was very embarrassed to be uncloaked lately -20,-10,or -5
was caught in the rain recently -3 or -2
was caught in a snow storm recently -3 or -2
was {unhappiness level} by a lesser's pretentious {building} arrangements lately TBD
The above is for nobles only.
was unable to find an available hammer lately -50
was upset by having a mandate ignored lately -5
was upset by having a mandate deadline missed lately -3
was upset by having a request ignored lately -5
was angered that nobody could be punished for a recent failure -10
was upset that a criminal could not be properly punished -5
was upset by the delayed punishment of a criminal -5
was beaten recently -10,-5,or -3
was beaten with a hammer recently -20,-10,-5,or -3
is depressed about being confined -10
was unhappy with the amount of available work last season -10
had a terrifying nightmare about an army of the dead -20
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
admired {a/own} {quality} {building} lately TBD
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a cage recently +3
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a pond recently +3
was pleased by having a request approved lately +5
was glad to have punishment reduced recently +20
was glad to have punishment delayed recently +20
beat somebody recently +5
beat somebody with a hammer recently +5
was honored to join the Royal Guard +20
was honored to join the Fortress Guard +10
has been satisfied at work lately +5
was happy to have pleased a noble lately +10
made a satisfying acquisition lately +10
adopted a new pet recently +10
took joy in slaughter lately +10
was comforted by a pet lately +5
saw a beloved creature lately +5
was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately +10
talked with a friend lately +2
made a friend recently +5
was pleased that the tax collection went smoothly lately +10
was comforted by a lovely waterfall lately +5
conducted a meeting in a setting worthy of legends recently +30
conducted a meeting in a fantastic setting recently +20
conducted a meeting in a great setting recently +10
conducted a meeting in a very good setting recently +5
conducted a meeting in a good setting recently +3
was greatly pleased at the state of demands recently +10
was very pleased at the state of demands recently +5
was pleased at the state of demands recently +3
celebrated having a legendary tomb after gaining another year +30
celebrated having a fantastic tomb after gaining another year +20
celebrated having a great tomb after gaining another year +10
celebrated having a very good tomb after gaining another year +5
celebrated having a good tomb after gaining another year +3
enjoyed starting a fist fight recently +20
enjoyed smashing up a building recently +20
enjoyed toppling something over recently +10
enjoyed throwing something recently +5
had a satisfying sparring session recently +10
was nauseated by the sun lately -20
was irritated by the sun lately -10
</pre>

== All thoughts in current version ==

From the [[string dump]]:

It should be reasonably clear which are positive and negative.

Some have been edited here from the raw versions in the string dump, since they are built up from component substrings.

<pre>
gave birth to ___ recently
got married recently
became caught up in a new romance recently
gained siblings
gained a sibling
became a parent
slept uneasily due to noise lately
slept very uneasily due to noise lately
was woken by noise while sleeping lately
has been evicted lately
has been tired lately
had a miscarriage recently
has been exhausted lately
has complained of hunger lately
has complained of thirst lately
has been starving lately
has been dehydrated lately
was worried by the scarcity of royal guards lately
was worried by the scarcity of fortress guards lately
was worried by the scarcity of cages and chains lately
was unable to reach a room for tax collection lately
was misinformed about a room for tax collection lately
was upset that the tax collection didn't go smoothly lately
has been taxed recently
has lost property to the Royal Guard recently
was upset to have disappointed a noble lately
has been attacked lately
has been attacked by a dead pet lately
has been attacked by a dead spouse lately
has been attacked by a dead lover lately
has been attacked by a dead sibling lately
has been attacked by own dead mother lately
has been attacked by own dead father lately
has been attacked by own dead child lately
has been attacked by a dead friend lately
has been attacked by a dead and still annoying acquaintance lately
has been attacked by the dead lately
was forced to eat vermin to survive lately
was forced to eat a beloved creature to survive lately
was forced to eat a treasured pet to survive lately
has complained of the lack of chairs lately
has complained of the crowded tables lately
has complained of the lack of dining tables lately
has complained of the lack of a well lately
has complained of the nasty water lately
was forced to drink ___ water lately
was forced to drink slime lately
was forced to drink vomit lately
has suffered the travesty of art defacement
has been annoyed by flies
has witnessed death
has lost a pet recently
is happy to be free
had a satisfying sparring session recently
killed somebody by accident while sparring recently
enjoyed starting a fist fight recently
enjoyed smashing up a building recently
enjoyed toppling something over recently
enjoyed throwing something recently
accidentally killed somebody in a fit of rage recently
has lost a spouse to tragedy recently
has lost a lover to tragedy recently
had a terrifying nightmare about an army of the dead
has lost an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
was just a little happy to lose an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
was happy to lose an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
was thrilled to lose an annoying acquaintance to tragedy recently
has lost a friend to tragedy recently
has lost a sibling to tragedy recently
has lost a child to tragedy recently
has lost a mother to tragedy recently
has lost a father to tragedy recently
was forced to endure the decay of a pet
was forced to endure the decay of a spouse
was forced to endure the decay of a lover
was forced to endure the decay of a sibling
was forced to endure the decay of a mother
was forced to endure the decay of a father
was forced to endure the decay of a child
was forced to endure the decay of a friend
was forced to endure the decay of an annoying acquaintance
has been accosted by terrible vermin
saw something unpleasant in a cage recently
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a cage recently
saw something unpleasant in a pond recently
was comforted by a wonderful creature in a pond recently
was able to rest and recuperate lately
received water recently
received food recently
was rescued recently
was overjoyed to be able to give somebody water lately
was happy to have been able to give somebody water lately
was pleased to have been able to give somebody water lately
gave somebody water lately
was irritated at having to give somebody water lately
was unhappy at having to give somebody water lately
has suffered the pain of having to give somebody water lately
was overjoyed to be able to give somebody food lately
was happy to have been able to give somebody food lately
was pleased to have been able to give somebody food lately
gave somebody food lately
was irritated at having to give somebody food lately
was unhappy at having to give somebody food lately
has suffered the pain of having to give somebody food lately
was overjoyed to be able to help somebody to bed lately
was happy to have been able to help somebody to bed lately
was pleased to have been able to help somebody to bed lately
brought somebody to bed lately
was irritated at having to haul somebody to bed lately
was unhappy at having to haul somebody to bed lately
has suffered the pain of having to haul somebody to bed lately
has complained about the draft lately
was worried not to have adequate protection lately
was upset about being relieved from duty
was honored to join the Royal Guard
was upset about being expelled from the Royal Guard
was honored to join the Fortress Guard
was upset about being expelled from the Fortress Guard
has been satisfied at work lately
was happy to have pleased a noble lately
was pleased that the tax collection went smoothly lately
is quite pleased with making an artifact
was upset that a criminal could not be properly punished
was glad to have punishment reduced recently
was upset by the delayed punishment of a criminal
was glad to have punishment delayed recently
beat somebody recently
beat somebody with a hammer recently
was beaten recently
was beaten with a hammer recently
is depressed about being confined
made a satisfying acquisition lately
talked with a pet lately
talked with the spouse lately
talked with a lover lately
talked with a sibling lately
talked with mother lately
talked with father lately
talked with a child lately
talked with a friend lately
was forced to talk to somebody annoying lately
talked with somebody lately
made a friend recently
formed a grudge recently
adopted a new pet recently
was unhappy with the lack of work last season
was caught in the rain recently
was caught in a snow storm recently
has been tired of eating the same old food lately
has been tired of drinking the same old booze lately
ate rotten food lately
drank something spoiled lately
took joy in slaughter lately
ate a pretty decent meal lately
ate a fine dish lately
ate a wonderful dish lately
ate a truly decadent dish lately
ate a legendary meal lately
had a pretty decent drink lately
had a fine drink lately
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was comforted by a pet lately
saw a beloved creature lately
was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately
was angered that nobody could be punished for a recent failure
was upset by having a request ignored lately
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was comforted by a lovely waterfall lately
was disgusted by a bloody mist lately
was disgusted by a miasma lately
choked on dust underground lately
choked on smoke underground lately
was knocked out during a cave-in lately
was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room
was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom
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was very happy to be elected mayor recently
was very happy to be re-elected mayor recently
was very satisfied to be chosen as the expedition leader recently
was very pleased to receive a higher rank of nobility recently
was proud to have become a mayor recently
sustained major injuries recently
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slept in the grass recently
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slept on ice recently
slept on a pile of driftwood recently
slept on a rough cave floor recently
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slept in a bedroom like a personal palace recently
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worried about having an awful tomb after gaining another year
worried about having a very poor tomb after gaining another year
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was greatly angered at the state of demands recently
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was upset by not having enough cabinets lately
was upset by not having enough armor stands lately
was upset by not having enough weapon racks lately
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was very upset to have worn clothes rot away lately
was very embarrassed to be uncovered lately
was embarrassed to have no shirt lately
was embarrassed to have no shoes lately
was very embarrassed to be uncloaked lately
was unable to find an available hammer lately
was nauseated by the sun lately
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was yelled at by an unhappy citizen recently
was cried on by an unhappy citizen recently
was satisfied to bring up job scarcity in a meeting lately
was able to make suggestions about work allocations lately
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put off/flustered/upset/very upset/greatly upset/angered/enraged/traumatized/utterly traumatized by a lesser's pretentious burial/office/dining/sleeping arrangements lately
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</pre>

[[Category:Thoughts| ]]

User talk:Eerr

2009-05-30T06:17:48Z

Eerr:

Welcome to this wiki! Dwarf Fortress rapidly becomes more complicated, and we're always glad to have new writers. 
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[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 01:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

== an interesting item ==

This is a basalt ring. All craftsmanship is of the highest quality. it is encircled with bands of cedar. It _menaces with spikes of_ basalt and "cave spider silk."

== Thanks for the info ==

I will be sure to--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 21:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT) my signature

== Currently using a much older 2d version ==

My jeweler has claimed a still and is using a turqoise stone... to brew artifact beer?

==Your edits to [[Chain mail]]==
As shown at [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Chain_mail&action=history] you made several edits in a row...
it is better if you either mark most of them as "minor" or use the "show preview" button repeatedly until you are happy with your work before hitting "save page". Crotchety wikistalkers like me don't like seeing so many edits to the same page from the same person in the recent changes list...

Having said that, hook in and improve the site![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 21:11, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== comments ==

Please make sure to sign your comments on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 22:25, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

:Another reminder: you can sign comments on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:30, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Rain ==

Have you tested that rain fills arbitrary depressions in the ground? Are you sure what you've seen is not just for murky pools and similar? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 06:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC) PS: In case you forgot, you can sign comments on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
:I don't think rainfall is usually enough to fill an empty pool, in most environments. I will do better, I will make two dwarf made pools with grass and stone floors, and test if they will retain water in a tropical environment.

40d Talk:Adamantium

2009-05-30T04:44:00Z

Eerr: /* Fanboyism */ new section

Adamantine means literally, "having the properties of adamantium"
Adamantium IS NOT a seperate material, and removing it from the word that forms its definition:
Adamantine is completely and utterly absurd.

One is a noun, the other is an adjective.
No bullshit.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjective]

== Fanboyism ==

Either way, this article should not exist because of some fanboy discontinuity in your head.

40d Talk:Adamantium

2009-05-30T04:39:54Z

Eerr: Created page with 'Adamantine means literally, "having the properties of adamantium" Adamantium IS NOT a seperate material, and removing it from the word that forms its definition: Adamantine is co...'

40d:Native platinum

2009-05-30T01:45:43Z

Eerr:

{{Ore|name=Native platinum|tile=£|color=#fff
|uses =
* [[Ore]] of [[platinum]]
|location =
* [[Soil]] (as small clusters)
* [[Olivine]] (as veins)
* [[Magnetite]] (as veins)
* [[Chromite]] (as small clusters)
|properties =
* [[Economic stone]]
* [[Material value]] 40}}

Ore for one of the most valuable metals available, equal in value to [[aluminum]] and second only to [[Adamantine]]. Its high material value makes it a convenient material for high value rooms for nobles. Especially so, since mining it still leaves a valuable platinum floor.

Platinum can occur in veins inside bodies of [[magnetite]] or [[olivine]] and as small cluster within [[chromite]] and alluvial [[soil]].

It is possible to make [[Craft]]s or [[Mechanisms]] with Platinum nuggets if it's enabled in the z-status stone menu, resulting in quite valuable items, good for export early in the game.

Platinum nuggets are not [[Magma-safe materials|magma-safe]]. However, purified platinum metal is [[Magma-safe materials|magma-safe]].

{{Rocks}}
[[Category:Ore]]
[[Category:Stone]]
[[Category:Economic Stone]]

40d:Water

2009-05-23T23:38:37Z

Eerr:

'''Water''' is a fluid found all over the world. It [[flow]]s from mountain springs, forming the world's [[ocean]]s, [[lake]]s, [[river]]s, and [[brook]]s. Water falls as [[rain]] and [[snow]], and freezes into [[ice]]. Water is home to [[aquatic creatures]]. Most creatures can [[Swimmer|swim]] in deep water, and like all fluids, air-breathing creatures can [[Swimmer#Drowning|drown]] in it. Water comes in two varieties: '''freshwater''', which makes up almost all inland water, and '''saltwater''', which fills the seas; these are home to different aquatic creatures. If dwarves do not drink they will become dehydrated(thirsty) and if they do not quench that thirst then they will eventually die. Injured dwarves will only drink freshwater, though normally dwarves prefer their [[Alcohol|booze]].

In addition, water can be ''stagnant'' or ''[[Murky pool|murky]]''. This may cause dwarves to have unhappy [[thought]]s if they drink from it. Water must be flowing to avoid being/becoming stagnant or murky.

When water comes into contact with creatures and objects, they become wet. [[Soil]] and [[stone]] becomes [[Mining#Caveats|damp]] or [[mud]]dy, which can be used for [[Agriculture|farming]], and produces [[tower-caps]] at a higher rate. Water can "drown" saplings.

Water is displayed with the symbols {{Tile|≈|#008|#999}} and {{Tile|~|#008|#999}}, sometimes colored different blues, white, brown, or red to show ripples, [[mud]] (in the case of a brook), [[blood]] and [[flow]]. (The game can be [[Technical_tricks#The_look_of_the_game|configured]] to show the depth instead). Dark-colored water symbols indicate the water is one [[Z-level]] below the camera level. Water has 7 depth levels per tile, with 1 being perhaps ankle-deep, and 7 filling the tile completely. [[Dwarf|Dwarves]] and other [[humanoid]]s can walk through water up to depth 4. At 4 they can choose to walk or swim, any deeper and they must swim to pass through the tile. Elves drown only in 7/7 water, and wade in 6/7.

Every material sinks in water.{{version|0.27.176.38c}}

The [[Map tile|tiles]] above [[brook]]s are treated as [[floor]] tiles. They are passable to creatures, and objects do not fall into them.

==Water Flows==
Water above a depth of 1 will tend to flow towards any adjacent tiles, and can move diagonally, the depth will spread out evenly so a tile of 7/7 water will become seven 1/7 tiles, or if there are only two it can expand to it will become two 2/7 and a third 3/7 though the 3/7 will move around. Water can be stopped by most solid tiles. These include [[wall]]s and [[building]]s, plus closed [[floodgate]]s, [[door]]s, [[hatch]]es. Exceptions are [[grate]]s and [[bars]] which are specifically designed to allow liquids through. [[Waterfall]]s occur when water has the opportunity to fall through open space. Waterfalls will continue falling straight down until hitting either [[floor]] or another body of water.

Water in Dwarf Fortress acts like a fairly thick, viscous fluid. This makes it possible to do otherwise impossible things like [[pump]] out a dry hole in the middle of a river.

== Water in Fortress Mode ==

In addition to drinking, pools and rivers can be used for [[fishing]]. To specify a pool of water as a water source, fishing zone, or [[pond]], you need to create [[activity zone]]s at the level above the water. The "level above the water" is the level at which the surface of the water is at foot-level instead of ceiling level. Water can be [[bridge]]d, and can also be used to make a [[moat]].

Water can be moved by [[digging]] channels or tunnels, using [[bucket]]s, or by constructing a [[screw pump]]. Dwarves will use buckets to fill a [[pond]]. [[Screw pump]]s (operated by dwarf or [[Power| machine power]]) can move water vertically and horizontally. Transferring water down channels/holes to lower levels can be hazardous due to [[water pressure]].

[[Cave lake|Lakes]] and [[murky pool]]s can be drained by digging into the side of them. Rivers can also be redirected in this manner. It is only possible to dig directly up into a water-filled tile using stairs or a ramp. Fish and other aquatic creatures will stay in the water as it moves, but may end up on the ground if the water becomes too shallow. Drained lakes that are [[outside]] are filled by melting ice and snow, but not by rain. Murky pools, once drained, can be refilled by rainwater, allowing for "rain barrel" systems of supplying your fortress with water.

Tiles adjacent to a water-filled tile are labeled "damp" and flash the water symbol when accessing the {{k|d}}esignations menu. When a miner discovers a damp tile, he cancels the mining designation, the game pauses, and the camera centers on the tile. This happens for every damp tile discovered, and each must be designated again before a miner will dig it out.{{version|0.28.181.40d}} Digging under a water-filled tile does not actually drain it, even though you receive multiple warnings about damp tiles. If a tile already appears to be damp when it is designated, no warning will be given.

Somebody who falls into water, for example, a [[kobold]] thief, will then have a "water covering" on nearly every part of their anatomy. This is listed under {{k|v}},{{k|i}}nventory and is shown in green.

[[Water wheel]]s can be used to generate mechanical power from flows.

The water in a tile can be destroyed by closing a [[floodgate]] or [[door]] on it (via a [[lever]]), by lowering a [[bridge]] onto it, or by [[evaporation]]. Thus water mass is not conserved and it is possible to run out of water on maps without an infinite source(such as an [[ocean]], [[river]] or [[aquifer]]). It is also possible to get rid of excess water by letting it flow into a [[river]].

==Ice==
Water will instantly turn into [[ice]] when the environment is cold enough. In some biomes, water will freeze only during the winter. In other biomes the water will always be frozen in all seasons.
:* See [[Ice]]

==Sourced Water==
'''Sourced water''' is a term referring to any water that will never run out (''i.e.'', water features you can see on the region map). These include "river sources" flowing into the map from the edge. It is possible to completely flood your fortress if you tap into these without building controls such as [[floodgate]]s.

:* See [[Water pressure]]

==Water depth==
You can find out how deep water is by examining it with the loo{{k|k}} command, or by editing your init.dat file to display water as coloured numbers.

Water depth ranges from 0-7. The following is a qualitative description of how deep the water is relative to a dwarf.

<ol start="0">
<li>Not a true value (that is, you will never see it displayed) - there is no water on this tile.</li>
<li>A puddle. This is the maximum depth dwarves will build on.</li>
<li>Knee deep.</li>
<li>Waist deep.</li>
<li>Chest deep. However dwarves prefer to walk instead of swim, and in 4/7 water they will wade regardless of swimming skill. Dwarves never drown in 4/7 water. Also, a swimming creature can move through 4/7 water even if they are IMMOBILE_LAND.</li>
<li>Head height. Dwarves are now swimming (or drowning, as the case may be).</li>
<li>Over a dwarf's head.</li>
<li>The tile is full to the brim of water.</li>
</ol>

==Salt Water==
If a site contains saltwater (there will be a warning before embarkation), then ''all'' the naturally occurring water in that site will be salt water; including ponds, [[river|rivers]] and [[aquifer|aquifers]].

You can tell whether a particular area of water is salty or not by creating an [[activity zone]] around it. If 'water source' is not highlighted in the zone options, then it is saltwater, and thus undrinkable. Water may currently be desalinated by passing it through a [[Screw pump|screw pump]], however, if any desalinated water touches natural walls or floor, it will immediately return to its salt form, thus meaning that all cisterns or reservoirs of desalinated water must be completely constructed, with no natural boundaries.

==Contaminated water==
When blood or dead bodies come into contact with water, it can become '''contaminated''', and dwarfs will refuse to drink from it. In a river or brook, this can occur if the contact was upstream of the drinking spot. Flowing water will recover from contamination faster than murky or stagnant water.
== Rain ==
Most climates experiance rain. rain will slowly fill depressions in the land, including old lakes and newly dug pits.

== "Water covering" ==
If, in a dwarf's inventory menu, some or all body parts are described as "Water covering" them (in bright green letters), don't panic - all that means is that the dwarf is wet, not (necessarily) underwater. They may have been underwater (they may still be underwater!), or just wading about in deep water, or they may have been out in the rain, or walked under falling water somewhere. Unless exposed to more water, they will dry off soon.

{{Water FAQ}}

[[category:Map_tiles]]
[[Category:Physics]]

40d:Armor

2008-09-22T01:54:48Z

Eerr: /* Shields and Bucklers */

==Armor==
'''Armor''' is a class of clothing items that your [[dwarves]] can wear for protection to keep them alive longer. Armor can range from simple [[clothing]], light weight [[shell]], [[bone]] and [[leather]], to heavy [[chain mail]] and [[plate mail]].

Giving your dwarves protective garments will help to keep them alive in combat, as well as safe from the elements. It will also protect them against [[sparring]] injuries and may develop their [[Armor user]] skill.

Civilians will not wear armor other than clothing. Assign them to be [[miner]]s or lumberjacks if you're concerned about them, since they'll carry [[axe]]s and [[pick]]s then even if they're not drafted.

== Making armor ==
Depending on the type and material, different dwarves with specific skills are needed to make armor. While clothes aren't necessarily armor, they do offer limited protection. Shell and bone armors are made by a [[bone carver]] at a [[craftsdwarf's workshop]]. Chain mail and plate mail are made by an [[armorer]] at a [[metalsmith's forge]]. The type of [[metal]] used affects the effectiveness of the armor. Leather armors are made at a [[leather works]] by a [[leatherworker]]. Skilled craftdwarves, leather workers and armorers will produce better quality armor that multiplies the effectiveness of the item.

==Quality==
[[Toady]] has [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=000013 stated] that [[Quality|item quality]] increases its protection (or damage, in the case of [[weapons]]), namely, "Quality has a huge effect on damage and damage reduction... Exceptional is almost double damage/damage block."

{|cellpadding="2" border="1"
! Symbol !! Name !! Damage reduction multiplier
|-
| Item || Basic armor || x1.0
|-
| -Item- || Well-crafted armor || x1.2
|-
| +Item+ || Finely Crafted armor || x1.4
|-
| *Item* || Superior Quality armor || x1.6
|-
| ≡Item≡ || Exceptional armor || x1.8
|-
| ☼Item☼ || Masterful armor || x2.0
|}
==Material==
Better materials provide better protection, according to the following table:

{|cellpadding="2" border="1"
! Material !! Modifier %
|-
| [[Adamantine]] || 500
|-
| [[Steel]] || 133
|-
| [[Iron]] || 100
|-
| [[Bronze]] or [[Bismuth bronze]] || 75
|-
| [[Copper]] || 66
|-
| Other metals/materials ([[leather]], [[cloth]], [[bone]], [[shell]], [[wood]], etc.) || 50
|}

== Using Armor ==

To tell a [[dwarf]] to wear armor in Fortress Mode, {{k|v}}iew the dwarf, go to {{k|p}}references, then {{k|s}}oldiering. There you can select the highest level of armor he should wear: clothes, leather, chain, or plate. Shield level is selected separately. You can also set the armor level for many dwarves at once on the {{k|m}}ilitary screen, under {{k|w}}eapons.

Upgrading a civilian dwarf's armor level will not take effect unless they are activated as soldiers. Civilians will not wear armor other than [[clothing]], except for those given the [[Ambusher|Hunting]] [[labor]] (provided their armor level is set above "clothing"). This will, however, cause them to go out into the wilderness and hunt any wild animal they encounter.
If you set dwarves' armor level above their current set of armor (for instance, 'plate' when they are wearing chain armor), they will replace their current armor level and use armor of the better armor level when it is available. Unfortunately, dwarves do not make a distinction between different [[materials]] or [[quality|item qualities]], so if they are already wearing a [[helm]] (of, say, copper), they will not pick up a steel helm, as they are of the same armor level.

The solution is to set the dwarf's armor level to 'clothes', so that they drop their armor altogether, then station them standing on top of the pieces of armor you want them to wear (typically located on an armor [[stockpile]] or still in the [[forge]]) and set their armor to the desired level again. Hopefully you can get them to complete the operation without wandering off to find a set of civilian clothes to wear first. A similar technique can be used to get dwarves to change [[weapons]] as well (from an iron short [[sword]] to an [[obsidian]] one, for instance). This can be effectively managed by using the ['''q'''] tool to edit stockpiles to store only certain kinds of item materials. You could for instance keep a Stockpile of bone and wood [[bolt]]s as well as silver weapons behind a door near the [[barracks]], so you can lock up the crappy stuff when the [[goblins]] are at the door.
In older versions of the game, armor would be stored on an [[Armor stand]] -- a piece of [[furniture]] which could also be used to define a [[room]] as a barracks. However, both armor stands and [[weapon rack]]s proved to be buggy, and their "container" status has currently been disabled. For now, store your armor in a [[stockpile]] dedicated for the purpose.

Sometimes dwarves will ignore the armor they are standing on top of, and go put on the armor they had just removed. The best way to avoid this is to get rid of the inferior armor -- either by [[chasm]]ing it, [[melt]]ing it (if metal), or [[trading]] it away. This may take some time to carry out, meaning you must leave some of your soldiers at "clothing" armor level for a while until the unwanted pieces are disposed of. Keep in mind when melting armor pieces that only about 30% of the metal is recovered, so you should avoid making excess quantities with your most precious metal (steel, generally) unless you have a [[legendary]] armorsmith.

Heavy armor can reduce dwarves' [[speed]], especially when they wear several pieces. Being [[attributes|Strong]] will reduce this problem, as will [[Armor user]] skill (gained by fighting or sparring in armor). Extremely Strong dwarves can generally wear a complete suit of plate armor without being burdened. Armor User at "Expert" level is also generally enough to eliminate the burden of a full suit of plate, even for a dwarf without any Strength attribute. Experiment in adventure mode in order to find out more how this system works.

As an emergency measure, a dwarf who is about to be [[justice|hammered]] can be turned into a [[military]] recruit and set to "Plate" armor level; if they manage to don the suit before being captured, it will reduce the damage they take.

== Armor Levels ==

{| class="wikitable" border="1"
|-
! Slot
! Leather
! Chain
! Plate
|-
| Head
| leather [[cap]] and/or [[helm]]
| metal [[cap]] and/or [[helm]]
| [[helm]]
|-
| Upper Body
| [[leather|leather armor]]
| [[chain mail]]
| [[plate mail]]
|-
| Lower Body
| leather [[leggings]]
| metal/bone/shell [[leggings]]
| [[greaves]]
|-
| Foot
| leather low/high [[boot]]
| metal low/high [[boot]]
| metal low/high [[boot]]
|-
| Hand
| nothing
| [[gauntlet]]
| [[gauntlet]]
|}

==Types of Protection==

Garments fit on different body parts depending on the item in question, and require different orders based on material sometimes.
They may additionally protect upper and lower arms and legs, depending on the garment. Dwarves do not seem to make a distinction between genders when selecting clothing to wear, so don't be startled when you see them running around in dresses.
There is no real difference between armor and clothing, except that maybe only non-Clothing Garments may increase the [[Armor user]] skill.

This list only lists equipment Dwarves should be able to manufacture, from the file \raw\objects\entity_default.txt

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
!Body Part!!Clothing!!Weight!!Block!![[Cloth|Fiber]]/[[Silk]]!![[Leather]]!![[Bone]]!![[Shell]]!![[Metal]]!![[Wood]]!![[Size]]!![[Permit]]
|-
|rowspan="3"|Head||Cap||10||20||Clothes||Clothes|| || ||Leather|| ||10||15
|-
|Helm[S]||20||60|| ||Leather||Leather||Leather||Chain|| ||30||20
|-
|Hood||10||20||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||10||100
|-
|rowspan="10"|Upper Body||Chainmail||75||50/30|| || || || ||Chain|| ||15||50
|-
|Cloak||10||5/5||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||15||150
|-
|Coat||50||15/15||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||20||50
|-
|Dress||10||3/3||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||10||50
|-
|Leather Armor[S]||50||20/20|| ||Leather|| || || || ||20||50
|-
|Platemail[S]||150||70/50|| || || || ||Plate|| ||20||50
|-
|Robe||10||5/5||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||20||100
|-
|Shirt(*)||10||3/3||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||10||50
|-
|Tunic||10||5/5||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||10||50
|-
|Vest||10||2/2||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||10||50
|-
|rowspan="3"|Hands||Gauntlets[S]||25||60|| || ||Chain||Chain||Chain|| ||20||15
|-
|Gloves||10||60||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||10||10
|-
|Mittens||10||60||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||15||20
|-
|rowspan="3"|Lower Body||Greaves[S]||60||70|| || ||Plate|| ||Plate|| ||15||30
|-
|Leggings[S]||40||50|| ||Leather||Leather||Leather||Chain|| ||15||30
|-
|Trousers||20||20||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||15||30
|-
|rowspan="3"|Feet||High Boots||20||60|| ||Leather|| || ||Chain|| ||25||15
|-
|Low Boots||15||60|| ||Leather|| || ||Chain|| ||25||15
|-
|Shoes||10||60||Clothes||Clothes|| || || || ||20||15
|-
|rowspan="2"|Shield||Buckler||15||60(10%)|| ||Buckler|| || ||Buckler||Buckler||Just||One
|-
|Shield||50||60(20%)|| ||Shield|| || ||Shield||Shield||Just||One
|}
(*) = Not currently manufactable {{version|0.28.181.39e}}

[S] = Max one [S] per body slot(eg. only one plate mail, and no greaves and Leggings on top)

The Value in each hex represents the kind of armor a specific piece of armor counts as.

The "weight" figure is for items made of metal. Metal armor may be made from [[copper]], [[bronze]], [[iron]], or [[steel]], and weigh the same regardless of which metal they are made of. [[Leather]], plant [[cloth]], [[bone]], and [[shell]] items weigh half as much, [[adamantine]] items weigh one-eighth as much, and [[silk]] items one-tenth as much. Certain items (such as Leather Armor) cannot be made of metal, so their weights will always be half that listed in the table.

The '''Size''' and '''Permit''' values dictate how you stack armor. A dwarf who is authorized to use a certain type of armor that he can find easily(as in a stockpile), when he's not terribly busy, will go there and pick it up and use it depending on these variables. The dwarf has a '''Layer''' for every body slot. As he wears Garments, their' '''Size''' add to the body slot the items belong to(Head, Upper Body, etc.). When this layer variable is OVER an item's '''Permit''', then the dwarf will not consider to wear that item. This means that you can Cram a dwarf into one plate mail and three chain mails. The last chain mail went over the chain mail's limit of 50, so no more chain mail. Dwarves in Fortress mode will use the '''lowest''' permit of all the items they are wearing, and the code for finding and evaluating new equipment has some quirks that can lead to rather odd equipment setups, including the seeming inability for Fortress dwarves to wear [[cloak]]s unless set to "clothes" armor level. In adventure mode you can use a hefty bunch of cloaks on top of your Plate mail and 3 Chain mails though, since you are not at all prohibited by the search algorithms of Fortress dwarves.

== Other Sizes ==
Beware! Dwarves can not wear any armor that is named 'large', 'narrow' or 'small' ([[elves]]', [[goblins]]'...) (except [[large rat]] leather armor :-) ). The smug traders will not warn you of this.

== Requirements ==
Creating plate mail requires three [[bar]]s of metal to [[forge]]. Chain mail and greaves require two bars. All other metal armor requires one bar per piece. Note that making gauntlets or boots will always produce a pair (a left and right gauntlet, or two boots) from one bar of metal. A full suit of leather armor requires four leather pieces to manufacture, a full suit of chain armor requires six metal bars, and a full suit of plate armor requires eight metal bars. This does not include [[shield]]s.

Bone greaves require three ''stacks'' of bone to make (the stacks can be of any size), and bone leggings require two stacks; all other bone and shell items (including shell leggings) require one stack of bone/one shell to make.

== Shields and Bucklers ==

Shields and [[buckler]]s come in all the same material flavours as armor, but offer a slightly different form of protection. While armor absorbs some of the damage from all successful attacks, a shield provides complete protection from some attacks. In [[Adventure Mode]], a successful block may also grant the defender an immediate free counterattack. Bucklers weigh less than shields, making them useful for more mobile [[marksdwarf|Marksdwarves]], but provide less protection.

shields count as armour, and give your protection like other armour items.

Shields offer a unique bonus, a chance for an instantaneous deflection. Shields provide a 20% chance of total deflection, while bucklers provide a 10% chance of deflection. This chance of deflection is then altered by the wielder's [[Shield user]] skill, although the exact mechanics are unknown.

shields also count as a weapon when used in the offhand(as per normally holding a shield and weapon)
the attack is shield bash(dwarves may use it as a seperate attack:[verify])

== Fun Facts ==
* Dwarves will not switch to Metal greaves by themselves if they already wear bone greaves.
* Dwarves will not take off leather armor or chain mail when allowed a higher armor class; they will also keep what they wear. They will however switch between leggings and greaves.
* Dwarves feel it's perfectly normal to wear one leather low boot and one steel high boot. If it fits, it fits, right?

[[Category:Items]]
[[Category:Military]]

40d Talk:Iron

2008-09-11T06:08:39Z

Eerr:

I wonder why there are Goblins mentioned in the Ore-section on the right? Because they are an abundant source of iron, too? --[[User:Doub|Doub]] 09:58, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

:goblins are considered the 4th iron ore, in fact, goblins are an infinite source because sieges never stop(as far as i know)
its an inferior source because most of the armour gives back little iron.(plate is like 1/2 bar) for every armoured goblin defeated, you gain approximately 1 bar. but yea, it is a source of iron in places free of magnetite, hematite, "and" limonite.

40d:Currency

2008-09-10T20:46:36Z

Eerr:

The game's currency is measured in "☼". Each item has a specific trade [[value]] in ☼.

When [[dwarven economy]] sets in, coins made of copper, silver, and gold will have monetary value(like real life paper money) in addition to their trade value(like any finished good in dwarf fort). [[Copper]] coins are worth 1☼, [[silver]] coins are worth 5☼ and [[gold]] coins are worth 15☼.

Independent of this, the trade of any coins is 10 multiplied by the metal value, when used in trade, or collectors coins sold in shops. (not copper silver or gold coins)

Using coins as trade good is not advisable as they have no quality levels.


Dwarven coins are minted at the [[Metalsmith's forge]].

[[Category:Trade]]
[[Category:Economy]]

40d:Duke

2008-08-27T04:09:47Z

Eerr:

{{Noble
| noble=Duke
| quarters=Grand Bedroom
| dining=Grand Dining Room
| office=Opulent Throne Room
| tomb=Grand Mausoleum
| stands=3
| racks=3
| chests=5
| cabinets=3
| arrival=
* Wealth{{verify}}
| function=
* Promote [[fortress]] to Duchy capital
}}
Your '''Duke''' (or Duchess) arrives with her/his [[Duke_Consort|consort]].
A [[count]] who is resident in the fortress will be promoted to duke instead at 140 people and a given amount of wealth.

[[Category:Nobles]]

40d Talk:Liaison

2008-08-27T03:07:00Z

Eerr: elves

Any idea how to keep them from staying till they go insane. Every winter my dwarves live in fear of the bruce lee of liaisons going into a martial trance.

At first I thought they'd stay if they didn't get to talk with my broker but having a meeting doesn't help get them out. --[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 17:44, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Make sure you have your broker free long enough to make your demands and to views theirs, it take about 4 meetings between your broker and the liaison. At least that is how I get him to leave --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:08, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

so THAT'S how you do it, good thing I turned off my expo leader from hunting, the damned liason kept on scaring off the deer [the leader, and broker] was chasing :\

= Broker, not Leader? =

So it's the broker, not the mayor, that meets with these guys? That changes some things. (I'm trying to keep the Liasons outside of my fortess so they don't know where the traps are, if they ever siege.)

No, its the leader/mayor. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 11:33, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:i have my leader and broker separate(not by choice) in my current fort, and noticed that while the dwarf liaison meets with the leader, the human rep most definately meets with the broker, not the leader. --[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 06:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

::Ditto, my broker keeps meeting with the Liasons (all of them, i think, certainly the human one) despite not having been mayor for something like 5 years (military dwarves always seem to get elected mayor...). In fact, I just annoyed a human liason because my broker (not mayor) entered a strange mood just as the liason entered my fortress (thus promptly leaving).
::Now, Diplomats meet with the highest ranking leading noble you have (mayor/baron+/etc...), and I don't know why Diplomat redirects to Liason as humans and elves occasionally send a diplomat to make demands or merely comment 'this is a nice place you've carved out for yourself'.
::--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 06:54, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I changed this so that it correctly says the human liason meets with your broker. I left the dwarven liason as Mayor but I'm not certain that's true - my one still existent game which is suitably set up to check this otherwise is now the mountainhome, so I'm unable to verify at present. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

::Anecdotal evidence of dwarven liason using Mayor/Exp Leader - I got an initial set of dwarves where they made someone expedition leader who didn't have the broker skills, so exp leader and broker were different dwarves. Dwarven Liason met with Exp Leader. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 15:55, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

== really set off traps? ==
I have both liaisons walk through a maze of traps every time they visit, never got hurt. Maybe a 38a/b/c bug? What kind of traps were they triggering?--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:56, 27 February 2008 (EST)

:I'm running DF 38a and every year when the caravans arrive I get a new human corpse to loot. My liasons ''never'' make it past my traps (weapon[disc] and stonefall). I wish they would, I'd like to adjust what they bring. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 21:00, 3 March 2008 (EST)
::well known bug for 38a, it was fixed in 38b -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:54, 3 March 2008 (EST)

== Can't assign new leader; wiki article is incorrect ==

Leaders are elected and can't be manually chosen. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 23:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I may be remembering wrong, but I recall my liasons wanting to meet my Broker, who is manually chosen. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 01:52, 9 March 2008 (EST)

== Diplomat ==

I have an elven diplomat telling my duchess not to cut down more than 55 trees (and calling her short.. a member of Elves for the Ethical Treatment of Trees?). Is this kind of diplomat separate from the trade liaison? The page [[Diplomat]] redirects here.. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 13:18, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yes and no. We should maybe move this page to "diplomat" as both the human and dwarven one (and the elven one? never had one of those although im trying hard *grin*) are called diplomat in the unit list. On the other hand the elves never send a trade diplomat(?) so, yes he is somewhat different, but should be included then... --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:37, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== weird trigger for liaison screens ==
it seems once the meeting has started the usual delay between the screens can be avoided by marking tiles for digging with the mouse - this will cause the screens to pop up during marking (just be careful with pressing space bar) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:29, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== odd behaviour out of season/character ==
My siege engineer has just spend a while wandering around my fortress with the job "Attend Meeting" even though a) he is not the broker or mayor, b) there are no merchants or liasons on the map. He would go to one place and just stand there doing nothing then walk to another place and repeat. This went on for a while then he just went back to normal. There were other jobs he could have been doing at the time. Most odd. Is this a bug should I report it? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:19, 29 March 2008 (EDT)
:To clear up a point of confusion the job "Conduct Meeting" is the job assigned to the Mayor,Broker, or Baron/Count. After dwarven economy is running a dwarf might get the job "Attend Meeting". That dwarf seeks a meeting with the Mayor. If the Mayor is busy he will continue to follow the Mayor around until he is free. The solution I found is to switch off the Mayor's labors so he's free to conduct the meeting. The meeting is usually quick and then you'll get the other dwarf working again.--[[User:Angus|Angus]] 20:52, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== verified some embarrassment factors ==
From dwarfort.exe
(Name) was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room.
(Name) was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom.
[[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:58, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

: I would be happier if someone could verify that it is actually _used_ in game, but, well. You see, my palace office never triggered any thought. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 21:13, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

::Try giving them a dining room and no office, koltom. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:26, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I got these unhappy thoughts from meetings conducted in public dining halls that were also designated as meeting halls. (I do not know whether they also happen from nobles' personal dining rooms designated from private tables.) They seem to be very minor unhappy thoughts, so I'm not going out of my way to avoid such designations to keep my idlers from going to hang out by the wagon in the fortresses' early stages. --[[User:Brent Not Broken|Brent Not Broken]] 12:31, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Liaisons, zoo material? ==

I want to know whether or not to trap the liaisons before they leave and have them in cages. Should I do this or not?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 19:17, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

:hm..
: *You can't trap them (unless you mean locking them in a room)
: *You can't assign them to cages
: If u don't let them leave they will go crazy and your requests for trade items will most likely be ignored
: why do you want to trap them? (okay, they are annoying, but also useful) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:41, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

==Human Diplomat==
Added information about the human diplomat, whom i've seen meeting with my Baron/Count/Duke often enough (4 different games, multiple times in each). They don't seem to do much at present - though I haven't tried to incur a human siege of my fortress to see if they sue for peace if you beat them. I imagine they could theoretically make demands like the elven diplomat does, except they aren't picky about things like cutting down trees. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Meeting With Elves ==

What happens if you choose different option instead of saying yes to whatever they say? The number of trees keep going lower...57....43...37...well they aren't the exact numbers but close to them. I might want to try to fight them once. I've got some ore to melt and I need a good amount of charcoal... They appear every year after cutting too much trees?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 23:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

== elves ==

elves bully you into chopping less and less trees, unless you demand they let you chop more, infact, they respect you less if you go with the initial amount.

40d:Tax collector

2008-08-27T02:22:18Z

Eerr:

{{Noble
| noble=Tax Collector
| quarters=Modest Quarters
| dining=Modest Dining Room
| office=Office
| tomb=None
| stands=1
| racks=1
| chests=2
| cabinets=1
| arrival=
* Unknown{{Verify}}
| function=
* Enable economy{{Verify}}
}}
Upon receiving this [[noble]]{{verify}} from immigration, the [[Dwarven Economy]] begins and you can now construct [[Shop]]s.

The '''Tax Collector''' will sometimes collect taxes from the [[dwarves]] - this taxes are supposed to go to the nobles, as the Tax Collector get a happy [[thought]] for pleasing a noble when doing so. He will usually be escorted by a [[Royal Guard]] when doing his job.

The tax collector works for the baron, and arrives with him. but it's not the minting of [[coins]]; possibly created or exported wealth. He arrives with the [[baron]].

[[Category:Nobles]]

40d:Trading

2008-08-26T04:24:28Z

Eerr: /* Elves */

{{Building|name=Trade depot|key=D
|job=
1 of:
* [[Broker]] noble
* None (See description)
|construction=
3 of
* [[Block]]
* [[Metal bar]]
* [[Stone]]
* [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
* [[Architecture]]
* and 1 of:
** [[Carpentry]]
** [[Masonry]]
** [[Metalsmithing]]
|purpose=
Trade goods with other races.
}}
'''Trading''' in Dwarf Fortress first occurs in the first [[autumn]] after establishing your fortress, with the arrival of the [[dwarf|Dwarven]] [[Trading#Caravans|caravan]]. Trading is a good way to acquire resources that are not available or are rare in the local area. It also allows for more freedom in selecting starting gear, because items can always be obtained through trade later, e.g. one can drop the expensive [[anvil]] to bring 500 extra units of [[alcohol|booze]] or purchase additional skills for the expedition party. New players can [[Your_first_fortress#Trading|look here]] for advice on trading with the first caravan.

== Trade Depot ==
Building a '''Trade Depot''' ({{K|b}} - {{K|D}}) will allow you the opportunity to trade with caravans that arrive at your fortress. Trade depots can be created from almost any material, and construction requires the [[Architecture]] skill along with the appropriate craft labor ([[Carpentry]], [[Masonry]], or [[Metalsmithing]]).

While it may be convenient to build a Trade Depot outside first, it is usually a good idea to move it inside or build fortifications around it to protect caravans and your goods from [[thief|thieves]] and [[goblin]]s.

Hit {{K|q}} to bring up the [[building interaction]] mode, and then move your cursor over the Trade Depot to gain access to the following options.

=== Move Goods to/from Depot ===
{{:Trading/Flowchart}}

{{K|g}}: This command becomes active when a caravan arrives on your map. Choosing items from this menu will mark them as [PENDING] and [[dwarves]] will begin moving them to the depot (all dwarves regardless of labor settings will move goods to the depot when necessary). Items that have been brought to the depot are ready for trade and will be marked as [TRADING]. Items nominated for trading will remain at the depot until the caravan leaves, or the [PENDING] / [TRADING] flag is cleared by choosing the item again. Once no longer required at the depot, items will be available for use or hauling to stockpiles as normal.

=== No trader needed at depot or Trader requested at depot ===
{{K|r}}: This requests a dwarf to come to the depot. To conduct trades with caravans, a trader must be present at the Trade Depot. Once requested, a dwarf will make their way to the depot, and remain there until released with this setting, or the dwarf decides to drink, sleep, or eat.

=== Only broker may trade or Anyone may trade ===
{{K|b}}: This setting determines who will perform the trade. If '''Only broker may trade''' is active, then only the [[Broker]] [[noble]] will respond to the trader request. This can become a problem when the broker is sleeping or otherwise occupied, but dwarves with low [[Broker skills]] will receive poorer deals when trading.

=== Trade ===
{{K|t}}: This option becomes available once the caravan and your broker are both at the depot. It begins trading.

==Trading==

After entering the trade menu, select the items to offer from the right, and the desired items from the left. All caravans have a weight limit which cannot be exceeded, and the allowed additional weight is displayed in the lower right corner. If the acting broker has at least Novice or better [[Appraisal]] skill, the value of all items will be displayed. Once the proposal is ready, press {{K|t}} to make an offer, but merchants will not agree unless they make adequate profit. Be sure to use '''trade''', not '''offer''' {{K|o}}, as this will make a gift of the selected items. The amount of acceptable profit is determined by the broker's [[Broker skills|skills]] and the merchant's mood, described below. Merchants may attempt to propose counteroffers if they do not accept the proposal, which can then be accepted, rejected, or further amended by the broker.

A good rule of thumb for inexperienced brokers is to give merchants a 50% or better profit. For example, if the desired goods are worth 500☼, make sure their profit is at least 250☼ (which would make the total worth of the offered goods 750☼). This should ensure that the merchants are happy with the trading and that they accept the trade immediately without making ridiculous counteroffers. With more experienced brokers or pleased merchants, even marginally profitable trades can be successful, and counteroffers can be rejected safely, offering the same trade again.

=== Merchant mood ===
If your broker has Novice or better [[Judge of Intent]] skill, there will be a line added below the merchant's dialogue describing the caravan's attitude. Their attitude rises with successful trades (especially if they get lots of profit) and falls when you propose deals they don't like.

* (trader) seems ecstatic with the trading
* (trader) seems very happy about the trading
* (trader) seems pleased with the trading
* (trader) seems willing to trade (Default, at least for humans)
* (trader) seems to be rapidly losing patience
* (trader) is not going to take much more of this
* (trader) is unwilling to trade

The happier you make a merchant, the less profit margin he will demand in a trade. If merchants reach the lowest level, no further trade will be possible, and they will immediately pack up and leave your depot. Since annoyed traders are more likely to reject deals, you should be generous in initial negotiations. Skilled negotiators seem less likely to offend traders with unsuccessful deals.

=== Seizing items ===
Pressing {{K|s}} from the trade menu will seize the selected items of the merchant's. If you seize goods from a caravan, the merchant will respond "Take what you want. I can't stop you." and then leave immediately without the seized goods. Items cannot be seized from the dwarven caravan, and other races will not buy stolen goods (marked in red) unless they are tricked into asking for them via counteroffer, or the items are "naturalized" by decoration or used to create other goods. Seizing goods will hurt diplomatic relations, but is not grounds for an automatic [[siege]].

As a side note, if you remove your trade depot, all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your dwarves. This does not mark the item as stolen, or effect the caravan's disposition towards you, they will simply leave. {{version|0.28.181.39e}}

===Offering items===

{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. This presumably helps relations between yourself and the other faction. The exact effects are unknown but it is believed that offering goods increases the quantity and variety of trade goods brought by next year's caravan. Also the [[King]] may require offerings before his arrival.

== Caravans ==
Each friendly race will send a caravan once per year, but only if that race considers the fortress site accessible (as denoted on the embark screen). The exception is dwarves, who always arrive. Caravans appear to enter the map from a random direction which does not coincide with the relative direction of the originating [[civilization]], and they may appear from different directions or z-levels each year. Caravans may leave without trading if it takes too long to reach the trade depot, and they cannot use stairs.

=== Wagons ===
All races but elves will send [[wagon]]s with their caravans, which have a much greater capacity for bringing foreign imports and accepting dwarven exports. Unfortunately, wagons require paths that are 3 tiles wide to pass. A wagon may enter from a location different than the merchant, if the point the merchant entered was inaccessible to it. If a wagon is unable to find an open path to the trade depot at any time, it will leave and the dwarves will only be able to trade with the merchants and pack [[animals]]. Note that creatures do not obstruct the path of the caravan.

Wagons cannot cross [[stair]]s or [[door]]s and [[floodgate]]s not opened by lever (even if the doors span an area ordinarily wide enough for the wagon to pass). Obstructing [[boulder]]s must be smoothed ( {{K|d}} - {{K|s}} ), and [[tree]]s must be cut down ( {{K|d}} - {{K|t}} ). [[Shrub]]s do not obstruct wagons, and neither do [[ramp]]s (ramps covered by a [[hatch]] do obstruct), [[bridge]]s, [[road]]s, or natural or constructed [[floor]] tiles. Building roads, bridges and floor tiles can help keep paths clear by preventing trees from growing, but caravans may still enter the map at unpaved locations. (even if a road connects to the edge of the map), and if alternate unpaved paths exist, they may take those instead.

After a trade depot is built, you can use {{K|D}} to check wagon accessibility. Any tile marked in green is accessible to a wagon. Note that a three-tile wide path will only show up as one green tile wide in accessibility view, since the tiles next to the walls are not themselves accessible to wagons.

In order to guarantee perfect, permanent wagon accessibility, a three tile path need only be cleared to one end of the map, it may not be the route always used but will guarrentee the wagon will appear, barring new trees or an invading force(don't forget to smooth boulders). Any parts of this path system which have grass should be paved with floor tiles, bridges, or roads to prevent trees from growing. Ramps must be used to adjust [[z-level]] elevation, and should be 3 wide or tall, with 2 flat tiles sticking from the higher ramps and the lower ramps.

=== Liaisons ===
[[Liaison]]s may be sent with caravans to speak to important dwarves. They will allow you to choose the type of items that your fortress is interested in, and will focus on bringing more of that kind of item on the next caravan (however those items will also be more expensive). They will also present you with a list of the items they're willing to pay more for, which will be effective upon their next arrival.

=== Races ===
The following races send caravans.

==== [[Dwarves]] ====
The dwarven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|autumn]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries [[food]], [[alcohol|booze]], [[leather]], and supplies. Dwarves alone may carry [[steel]] and steel goods.
* tends to be well guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the [[Expedition leader]] (or [[Mayor]]) to negotiate prices.
* is responsible for the number of immigrants received (when the caravan escapes alive).
* will not cause sieges when repeatedly destroyed or lost.
* is the only caravan to arrive during a fortress' first year.
* always arrives regardless of embark location.
* cannot have its goods seized from the trade menu.

==== [[elf|Elves]] ====
[[Image:Evil_elves.png|thumb|400px|A typical elven caravan.]]

The elven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|spring]].
* does not send wagons.
* typically carries [[cloth]], [[rope]], various [[plants]] and wooden items, and may carry tame [[creatures]].
* carries more wood(items?) the less trees you cut down
* tends to be unguarded.
* may send a diplomat who imposes a tree cutting quota.
* will not accept any wood, including their own goods(40c) and obsidian shortswords.

previously Elven traders do not like to be offered any animal or tree byproducts. Forbidden items include{{ver|0.23.130.23a}}: this no longer applies to anything but wood, wooden items, and decorations. note that obsidian shortswords contain wood.

* [[Bone]], [[shell]], [[leather]], or [[chitin]] items
* [[Wood]]en items, and items derived from wood (including [[tower-cap]] logs), such as [[charcoal]] and [[pearlash]]
* Clear and crystal [[glass]] (because [[pearlash]] is used in their creation)
* Items [[decoration|decorated]] with any of the above materials
* [[Obsidian]] shortswords (since they have wooden handles)
* [[Soap]]
* [[Cheese]]
* Any item they normally would accept that has [[vomit]] on it.

[[Metal]] items are acceptable, even when [[charcoal]] is used in their production. Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].

Be especially careful with reselling items from other caravans, as decorated items made out of a non-living material may include decorative materials that were made of living materials. All items that elven caravans sell are also unacceptable to sell back to elves, as the dwarves have no means of proving that they were made in an "elf kosher" way — and all dwarves know that elves have terrible memory.

==== [[Human]]s ====
The human caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|summer]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries a very large quantity and variety of goods.
* tends to be moderately guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the broker to negotiate prices.

==== [[Goblin]]s ====
A goblin caravan may arrive if your civilization is at peace with the goblins.

The goblin caravan:
*does not send wagons
*tends to be unguarded
*brings mostly food and cloth
*does not send a liaison or a guild representative
*does not make import/export agreements

=== Destruction ===
If caravans are destroyed (intentionally or unintentionally), the items may remain for use. Traders caught in a [[cave-in]] will flee as if they were attacked but will leave all the items dropped by the caravan behind. Pack animals carrying items are affected just like a normal tamed [[mule]] and must be killed in the cave-in for them to drop items on the ground. It is however much more likely that the pack animal(s) will only be stunned or rendered unconscious and flee shortly after recovering from the hit. Wagons will collapse if caught in a cave-in, leaving all that it was carrying on the ground as a result. Wagons can also be destroyed by [[ocean]] waves coming up onto the shore if you have settled in the appropriate area. The only difference between collapsing under waves or a cave-in is a higher probably of recovering items if the wagon is destroyed by a wave.

Repeated caravan destruction (intentional or unintentional) will strain diplomatic relations and may result in a [[siege]].

40d:Trading

2008-08-26T04:23:12Z

Eerr: /* Elves */

{{Building|name=Trade depot|key=D
|job=
1 of:
* [[Broker]] noble
* None (See description)
|construction=
3 of
* [[Block]]
* [[Metal bar]]
* [[Stone]]
* [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
* [[Architecture]]
* and 1 of:
** [[Carpentry]]
** [[Masonry]]
** [[Metalsmithing]]
|purpose=
Trade goods with other races.
}}
'''Trading''' in Dwarf Fortress first occurs in the first [[autumn]] after establishing your fortress, with the arrival of the [[dwarf|Dwarven]] [[Trading#Caravans|caravan]]. Trading is a good way to acquire resources that are not available or are rare in the local area. It also allows for more freedom in selecting starting gear, because items can always be obtained through trade later, e.g. one can drop the expensive [[anvil]] to bring 500 extra units of [[alcohol|booze]] or purchase additional skills for the expedition party. New players can [[Your_first_fortress#Trading|look here]] for advice on trading with the first caravan.

== Trade Depot ==
Building a '''Trade Depot''' ({{K|b}} - {{K|D}}) will allow you the opportunity to trade with caravans that arrive at your fortress. Trade depots can be created from almost any material, and construction requires the [[Architecture]] skill along with the appropriate craft labor ([[Carpentry]], [[Masonry]], or [[Metalsmithing]]).

While it may be convenient to build a Trade Depot outside first, it is usually a good idea to move it inside or build fortifications around it to protect caravans and your goods from [[thief|thieves]] and [[goblin]]s.

Hit {{K|q}} to bring up the [[building interaction]] mode, and then move your cursor over the Trade Depot to gain access to the following options.

=== Move Goods to/from Depot ===
{{:Trading/Flowchart}}

{{K|g}}: This command becomes active when a caravan arrives on your map. Choosing items from this menu will mark them as [PENDING] and [[dwarves]] will begin moving them to the depot (all dwarves regardless of labor settings will move goods to the depot when necessary). Items that have been brought to the depot are ready for trade and will be marked as [TRADING]. Items nominated for trading will remain at the depot until the caravan leaves, or the [PENDING] / [TRADING] flag is cleared by choosing the item again. Once no longer required at the depot, items will be available for use or hauling to stockpiles as normal.

=== No trader needed at depot or Trader requested at depot ===
{{K|r}}: This requests a dwarf to come to the depot. To conduct trades with caravans, a trader must be present at the Trade Depot. Once requested, a dwarf will make their way to the depot, and remain there until released with this setting, or the dwarf decides to drink, sleep, or eat.

=== Only broker may trade or Anyone may trade ===
{{K|b}}: This setting determines who will perform the trade. If '''Only broker may trade''' is active, then only the [[Broker]] [[noble]] will respond to the trader request. This can become a problem when the broker is sleeping or otherwise occupied, but dwarves with low [[Broker skills]] will receive poorer deals when trading.

=== Trade ===
{{K|t}}: This option becomes available once the caravan and your broker are both at the depot. It begins trading.

==Trading==

After entering the trade menu, select the items to offer from the right, and the desired items from the left. All caravans have a weight limit which cannot be exceeded, and the allowed additional weight is displayed in the lower right corner. If the acting broker has at least Novice or better [[Appraisal]] skill, the value of all items will be displayed. Once the proposal is ready, press {{K|t}} to make an offer, but merchants will not agree unless they make adequate profit. Be sure to use '''trade''', not '''offer''' {{K|o}}, as this will make a gift of the selected items. The amount of acceptable profit is determined by the broker's [[Broker skills|skills]] and the merchant's mood, described below. Merchants may attempt to propose counteroffers if they do not accept the proposal, which can then be accepted, rejected, or further amended by the broker.

A good rule of thumb for inexperienced brokers is to give merchants a 50% or better profit. For example, if the desired goods are worth 500☼, make sure their profit is at least 250☼ (which would make the total worth of the offered goods 750☼). This should ensure that the merchants are happy with the trading and that they accept the trade immediately without making ridiculous counteroffers. With more experienced brokers or pleased merchants, even marginally profitable trades can be successful, and counteroffers can be rejected safely, offering the same trade again.

=== Merchant mood ===
If your broker has Novice or better [[Judge of Intent]] skill, there will be a line added below the merchant's dialogue describing the caravan's attitude. Their attitude rises with successful trades (especially if they get lots of profit) and falls when you propose deals they don't like.

* (trader) seems ecstatic with the trading
* (trader) seems very happy about the trading
* (trader) seems pleased with the trading
* (trader) seems willing to trade (Default, at least for humans)
* (trader) seems to be rapidly losing patience
* (trader) is not going to take much more of this
* (trader) is unwilling to trade

The happier you make a merchant, the less profit margin he will demand in a trade. If merchants reach the lowest level, no further trade will be possible, and they will immediately pack up and leave your depot. Since annoyed traders are more likely to reject deals, you should be generous in initial negotiations. Skilled negotiators seem less likely to offend traders with unsuccessful deals.

=== Seizing items ===
Pressing {{K|s}} from the trade menu will seize the selected items of the merchant's. If you seize goods from a caravan, the merchant will respond "Take what you want. I can't stop you." and then leave immediately without the seized goods. Items cannot be seized from the dwarven caravan, and other races will not buy stolen goods (marked in red) unless they are tricked into asking for them via counteroffer, or the items are "naturalized" by decoration or used to create other goods. Seizing goods will hurt diplomatic relations, but is not grounds for an automatic [[siege]].

As a side note, if you remove your trade depot, all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your dwarves. This does not mark the item as stolen, or effect the caravan's disposition towards you, they will simply leave. {{version|0.28.181.39e}}

===Offering items===

{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. This presumably helps relations between yourself and the other faction. The exact effects are unknown but it is believed that offering goods increases the quantity and variety of trade goods brought by next year's caravan. Also the [[King]] may require offerings before his arrival.

== Caravans ==
Each friendly race will send a caravan once per year, but only if that race considers the fortress site accessible (as denoted on the embark screen). The exception is dwarves, who always arrive. Caravans appear to enter the map from a random direction which does not coincide with the relative direction of the originating [[civilization]], and they may appear from different directions or z-levels each year. Caravans may leave without trading if it takes too long to reach the trade depot, and they cannot use stairs.

=== Wagons ===
All races but elves will send [[wagon]]s with their caravans, which have a much greater capacity for bringing foreign imports and accepting dwarven exports. Unfortunately, wagons require paths that are 3 tiles wide to pass. A wagon may enter from a location different than the merchant, if the point the merchant entered was inaccessible to it. If a wagon is unable to find an open path to the trade depot at any time, it will leave and the dwarves will only be able to trade with the merchants and pack [[animals]]. Note that creatures do not obstruct the path of the caravan.

Wagons cannot cross [[stair]]s or [[door]]s and [[floodgate]]s not opened by lever (even if the doors span an area ordinarily wide enough for the wagon to pass). Obstructing [[boulder]]s must be smoothed ( {{K|d}} - {{K|s}} ), and [[tree]]s must be cut down ( {{K|d}} - {{K|t}} ). [[Shrub]]s do not obstruct wagons, and neither do [[ramp]]s (ramps covered by a [[hatch]] do obstruct), [[bridge]]s, [[road]]s, or natural or constructed [[floor]] tiles. Building roads, bridges and floor tiles can help keep paths clear by preventing trees from growing, but caravans may still enter the map at unpaved locations. (even if a road connects to the edge of the map), and if alternate unpaved paths exist, they may take those instead.

After a trade depot is built, you can use {{K|D}} to check wagon accessibility. Any tile marked in green is accessible to a wagon. Note that a three-tile wide path will only show up as one green tile wide in accessibility view, since the tiles next to the walls are not themselves accessible to wagons.

In order to guarantee perfect, permanent wagon accessibility, a three tile path need only be cleared to one end of the map, it may not be the route always used but will guarrentee the wagon will appear, barring new trees or an invading force(don't forget to smooth boulders). Any parts of this path system which have grass should be paved with floor tiles, bridges, or roads to prevent trees from growing. Ramps must be used to adjust [[z-level]] elevation, and should be 3 wide or tall, with 2 flat tiles sticking from the higher ramps and the lower ramps.

=== Liaisons ===
[[Liaison]]s may be sent with caravans to speak to important dwarves. They will allow you to choose the type of items that your fortress is interested in, and will focus on bringing more of that kind of item on the next caravan (however those items will also be more expensive). They will also present you with a list of the items they're willing to pay more for, which will be effective upon their next arrival.

=== Races ===
The following races send caravans.

==== [[Dwarves]] ====
The dwarven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|autumn]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries [[food]], [[alcohol|booze]], [[leather]], and supplies. Dwarves alone may carry [[steel]] and steel goods.
* tends to be well guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the [[Expedition leader]] (or [[Mayor]]) to negotiate prices.
* is responsible for the number of immigrants received (when the caravan escapes alive).
* will not cause sieges when repeatedly destroyed or lost.
* is the only caravan to arrive during a fortress' first year.
* always arrives regardless of embark location.
* cannot have its goods seized from the trade menu.

==== [[elf|Elves]] ====
[[Image:Evil_elves.png|thumb|400px|A typical elven caravan.]]

The elven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|spring]].
* does not send wagons.
* typically carries [[cloth]], [[rope]], various [[plants]] and wooden items, and may carry tame [[creatures]].
* carries more wood(items?) the less trees you cut down
* tends to be unguarded.
* may send a diplomat who imposes a tree cutting quota.
* will not accept any wood, including their own goods(40c)

previously Elven traders do not like to be offered any animal or tree byproducts. Forbidden items include{{ver|0.23.130.23a}}: this no longer applies to anything but wood, wooden items, and decorations. note that obsidian shortswords contain wood.

* [[Bone]], [[shell]], [[leather]], or [[chitin]] items
* [[Wood]]en items, and items derived from wood (including [[tower-cap]] logs), such as [[charcoal]] and [[pearlash]]
* Clear and crystal [[glass]] (because [[pearlash]] is used in their creation)
* Items [[decoration|decorated]] with any of the above materials
* [[Obsidian]] shortswords (since they have wooden handles)
* [[Soap]]
* [[Cheese]]
* Any item they normally would accept that has [[vomit]] on it.

[[Metal]] items are acceptable, even when [[charcoal]] is used in their production. Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].

Be especially careful with reselling items from other caravans, as decorated items made out of a non-living material may include decorative materials that were made of living materials. All items that elven caravans sell are also unacceptable to sell back to elves, as the dwarves have no means of proving that they were made in an "elf kosher" way — and all dwarves know that elves have terrible memory.

==== [[Human]]s ====
The human caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|summer]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries a very large quantity and variety of goods.
* tends to be moderately guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the broker to negotiate prices.

==== [[Goblin]]s ====
A goblin caravan may arrive if your civilization is at peace with the goblins.

The goblin caravan:
*does not send wagons
*tends to be unguarded
*brings mostly food and cloth
*does not send a liaison or a guild representative
*does not make import/export agreements

=== Destruction ===
If caravans are destroyed (intentionally or unintentionally), the items may remain for use. Traders caught in a [[cave-in]] will flee as if they were attacked but will leave all the items dropped by the caravan behind. Pack animals carrying items are affected just like a normal tamed [[mule]] and must be killed in the cave-in for them to drop items on the ground. It is however much more likely that the pack animal(s) will only be stunned or rendered unconscious and flee shortly after recovering from the hit. Wagons will collapse if caught in a cave-in, leaving all that it was carrying on the ground as a result. Wagons can also be destroyed by [[ocean]] waves coming up onto the shore if you have settled in the appropriate area. The only difference between collapsing under waves or a cave-in is a higher probably of recovering items if the wagon is destroyed by a wave.

Repeated caravan destruction (intentional or unintentional) will strain diplomatic relations and may result in a [[siege]].

40d:Trading

2008-08-26T04:19:38Z

Eerr: /* Wagons */

{{Building|name=Trade depot|key=D
|job=
1 of:
* [[Broker]] noble
* None (See description)
|construction=
3 of
* [[Block]]
* [[Metal bar]]
* [[Stone]]
* [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
* [[Architecture]]
* and 1 of:
** [[Carpentry]]
** [[Masonry]]
** [[Metalsmithing]]
|purpose=
Trade goods with other races.
}}
'''Trading''' in Dwarf Fortress first occurs in the first [[autumn]] after establishing your fortress, with the arrival of the [[dwarf|Dwarven]] [[Trading#Caravans|caravan]]. Trading is a good way to acquire resources that are not available or are rare in the local area. It also allows for more freedom in selecting starting gear, because items can always be obtained through trade later, e.g. one can drop the expensive [[anvil]] to bring 500 extra units of [[alcohol|booze]] or purchase additional skills for the expedition party. New players can [[Your_first_fortress#Trading|look here]] for advice on trading with the first caravan.

== Trade Depot ==
Building a '''Trade Depot''' ({{K|b}} - {{K|D}}) will allow you the opportunity to trade with caravans that arrive at your fortress. Trade depots can be created from almost any material, and construction requires the [[Architecture]] skill along with the appropriate craft labor ([[Carpentry]], [[Masonry]], or [[Metalsmithing]]).

While it may be convenient to build a Trade Depot outside first, it is usually a good idea to move it inside or build fortifications around it to protect caravans and your goods from [[thief|thieves]] and [[goblin]]s.

Hit {{K|q}} to bring up the [[building interaction]] mode, and then move your cursor over the Trade Depot to gain access to the following options.

=== Move Goods to/from Depot ===
{{:Trading/Flowchart}}

{{K|g}}: This command becomes active when a caravan arrives on your map. Choosing items from this menu will mark them as [PENDING] and [[dwarves]] will begin moving them to the depot (all dwarves regardless of labor settings will move goods to the depot when necessary). Items that have been brought to the depot are ready for trade and will be marked as [TRADING]. Items nominated for trading will remain at the depot until the caravan leaves, or the [PENDING] / [TRADING] flag is cleared by choosing the item again. Once no longer required at the depot, items will be available for use or hauling to stockpiles as normal.

=== No trader needed at depot or Trader requested at depot ===
{{K|r}}: This requests a dwarf to come to the depot. To conduct trades with caravans, a trader must be present at the Trade Depot. Once requested, a dwarf will make their way to the depot, and remain there until released with this setting, or the dwarf decides to drink, sleep, or eat.

=== Only broker may trade or Anyone may trade ===
{{K|b}}: This setting determines who will perform the trade. If '''Only broker may trade''' is active, then only the [[Broker]] [[noble]] will respond to the trader request. This can become a problem when the broker is sleeping or otherwise occupied, but dwarves with low [[Broker skills]] will receive poorer deals when trading.

=== Trade ===
{{K|t}}: This option becomes available once the caravan and your broker are both at the depot. It begins trading.

==Trading==

After entering the trade menu, select the items to offer from the right, and the desired items from the left. All caravans have a weight limit which cannot be exceeded, and the allowed additional weight is displayed in the lower right corner. If the acting broker has at least Novice or better [[Appraisal]] skill, the value of all items will be displayed. Once the proposal is ready, press {{K|t}} to make an offer, but merchants will not agree unless they make adequate profit. Be sure to use '''trade''', not '''offer''' {{K|o}}, as this will make a gift of the selected items. The amount of acceptable profit is determined by the broker's [[Broker skills|skills]] and the merchant's mood, described below. Merchants may attempt to propose counteroffers if they do not accept the proposal, which can then be accepted, rejected, or further amended by the broker.

A good rule of thumb for inexperienced brokers is to give merchants a 50% or better profit. For example, if the desired goods are worth 500☼, make sure their profit is at least 250☼ (which would make the total worth of the offered goods 750☼). This should ensure that the merchants are happy with the trading and that they accept the trade immediately without making ridiculous counteroffers. With more experienced brokers or pleased merchants, even marginally profitable trades can be successful, and counteroffers can be rejected safely, offering the same trade again.

=== Merchant mood ===
If your broker has Novice or better [[Judge of Intent]] skill, there will be a line added below the merchant's dialogue describing the caravan's attitude. Their attitude rises with successful trades (especially if they get lots of profit) and falls when you propose deals they don't like.

* (trader) seems ecstatic with the trading
* (trader) seems very happy about the trading
* (trader) seems pleased with the trading
* (trader) seems willing to trade (Default, at least for humans)
* (trader) seems to be rapidly losing patience
* (trader) is not going to take much more of this
* (trader) is unwilling to trade

The happier you make a merchant, the less profit margin he will demand in a trade. If merchants reach the lowest level, no further trade will be possible, and they will immediately pack up and leave your depot. Since annoyed traders are more likely to reject deals, you should be generous in initial negotiations. Skilled negotiators seem less likely to offend traders with unsuccessful deals.

=== Seizing items ===
Pressing {{K|s}} from the trade menu will seize the selected items of the merchant's. If you seize goods from a caravan, the merchant will respond "Take what you want. I can't stop you." and then leave immediately without the seized goods. Items cannot be seized from the dwarven caravan, and other races will not buy stolen goods (marked in red) unless they are tricked into asking for them via counteroffer, or the items are "naturalized" by decoration or used to create other goods. Seizing goods will hurt diplomatic relations, but is not grounds for an automatic [[siege]].

As a side note, if you remove your trade depot, all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your dwarves. This does not mark the item as stolen, or effect the caravan's disposition towards you, they will simply leave. {{version|0.28.181.39e}}

===Offering items===

{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. This presumably helps relations between yourself and the other faction. The exact effects are unknown but it is believed that offering goods increases the quantity and variety of trade goods brought by next year's caravan. Also the [[King]] may require offerings before his arrival.

== Caravans ==
Each friendly race will send a caravan once per year, but only if that race considers the fortress site accessible (as denoted on the embark screen). The exception is dwarves, who always arrive. Caravans appear to enter the map from a random direction which does not coincide with the relative direction of the originating [[civilization]], and they may appear from different directions or z-levels each year. Caravans may leave without trading if it takes too long to reach the trade depot, and they cannot use stairs.

=== Wagons ===
All races but elves will send [[wagon]]s with their caravans, which have a much greater capacity for bringing foreign imports and accepting dwarven exports. Unfortunately, wagons require paths that are 3 tiles wide to pass. A wagon may enter from a location different than the merchant, if the point the merchant entered was inaccessible to it. If a wagon is unable to find an open path to the trade depot at any time, it will leave and the dwarves will only be able to trade with the merchants and pack [[animals]]. Note that creatures do not obstruct the path of the caravan.

Wagons cannot cross [[stair]]s or [[door]]s and [[floodgate]]s not opened by lever (even if the doors span an area ordinarily wide enough for the wagon to pass). Obstructing [[boulder]]s must be smoothed ( {{K|d}} - {{K|s}} ), and [[tree]]s must be cut down ( {{K|d}} - {{K|t}} ). [[Shrub]]s do not obstruct wagons, and neither do [[ramp]]s (ramps covered by a [[hatch]] do obstruct), [[bridge]]s, [[road]]s, or natural or constructed [[floor]] tiles. Building roads, bridges and floor tiles can help keep paths clear by preventing trees from growing, but caravans may still enter the map at unpaved locations. (even if a road connects to the edge of the map), and if alternate unpaved paths exist, they may take those instead.

After a trade depot is built, you can use {{K|D}} to check wagon accessibility. Any tile marked in green is accessible to a wagon. Note that a three-tile wide path will only show up as one green tile wide in accessibility view, since the tiles next to the walls are not themselves accessible to wagons.

In order to guarantee perfect, permanent wagon accessibility, a three tile path need only be cleared to one end of the map, it may not be the route always used but will guarrentee the wagon will appear, barring new trees or an invading force(don't forget to smooth boulders). Any parts of this path system which have grass should be paved with floor tiles, bridges, or roads to prevent trees from growing. Ramps must be used to adjust [[z-level]] elevation, and should be 3 wide or tall, with 2 flat tiles sticking from the higher ramps and the lower ramps.

=== Liaisons ===
[[Liaison]]s may be sent with caravans to speak to important dwarves. They will allow you to choose the type of items that your fortress is interested in, and will focus on bringing more of that kind of item on the next caravan (however those items will also be more expensive). They will also present you with a list of the items they're willing to pay more for, which will be effective upon their next arrival.

=== Races ===
The following races send caravans.

==== [[Dwarves]] ====
The dwarven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|autumn]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries [[food]], [[alcohol|booze]], [[leather]], and supplies. Dwarves alone may carry [[steel]] and steel goods.
* tends to be well guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the [[Expedition leader]] (or [[Mayor]]) to negotiate prices.
* is responsible for the number of immigrants received (when the caravan escapes alive).
* will not cause sieges when repeatedly destroyed or lost.
* is the only caravan to arrive during a fortress' first year.
* always arrives regardless of embark location.
* cannot have its goods seized from the trade menu.

==== [[elf|Elves]] ====
[[Image:Evil_elves.png|thumb|400px|A typical elven caravan.]]

The elven caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|spring]].
* does not send wagons.
* typically carries [[cloth]], [[rope]], various [[plants]] and wooden items, and may carry tame [[creatures]].
* tends to be unguarded.
* may send a diplomat who imposes a tree cutting quota.
* is very picky about what items they will accept in trade.

Elven traders do not like to be offered any animal or tree byproducts. Forbidden items include{{ver|0.23.130.23a}}:

* [[Bone]], [[shell]], [[leather]], or [[chitin]] items
* [[Wood]]en items, and items derived from wood (including [[tower-cap]] logs), such as [[charcoal]] and [[pearlash]]
* Clear and crystal [[glass]] (because [[pearlash]] is used in their creation)
* Items [[decoration|decorated]] with any of the above materials
* [[Obsidian]] shortswords (since they have wooden handles)
* [[Soap]]
* [[Cheese]]
* Any item they normally would accept that has [[vomit]] on it.

[[Metal]] items are acceptable, even when [[charcoal]] is used in their production. Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].

Be especially careful with reselling items from other caravans, as decorated items made out of a non-living material may include decorative materials that were made of living materials. All items that elven caravans sell are also unacceptable to sell back to elves, as the dwarves have no means of proving that they were made in an "elf kosher" way — and all dwarves know that elves have terrible memory.

==== [[Human]]s ====
The human caravan:
* arrives in [[Calendar|summer]].
* employs wagons to bring more goods.
* typically carries a very large quantity and variety of goods.
* tends to be moderately guarded.
* sends a liaison who will speak with the broker to negotiate prices.

==== [[Goblin]]s ====
A goblin caravan may arrive if your civilization is at peace with the goblins.

The goblin caravan:
*does not send wagons
*tends to be unguarded
*brings mostly food and cloth
*does not send a liaison or a guild representative
*does not make import/export agreements

=== Destruction ===
If caravans are destroyed (intentionally or unintentionally), the items may remain for use. Traders caught in a [[cave-in]] will flee as if they were attacked but will leave all the items dropped by the caravan behind. Pack animals carrying items are affected just like a normal tamed [[mule]] and must be killed in the cave-in for them to drop items on the ground. It is however much more likely that the pack animal(s) will only be stunned or rendered unconscious and flee shortly after recovering from the hit. Wagons will collapse if caught in a cave-in, leaving all that it was carrying on the ground as a result. Wagons can also be destroyed by [[ocean]] waves coming up onto the shore if you have settled in the appropriate area. The only difference between collapsing under waves or a cave-in is a higher probably of recovering items if the wagon is destroyed by a wave.

Repeated caravan destruction (intentional or unintentional) will strain diplomatic relations and may result in a [[siege]].

40d:Bronze colossus

2008-08-26T02:11:52Z

Eerr:

{{CreatureInfo|name=Bronze Colossus|symbol=C|color=rgb(255, 255, 0)|
bones=N/A|chunks=N/A|meat=N/A|fat=N/A|skulls=N/A|skin=N/A|
biome=
* Any land
}}

A '''bronze colossus''' is a [[:Category:Megabeasts|megabeast]] that can rapidly heal wounds inflicted by [[trap]]s, destroy [[building]]s from 1 space away (perhaps symbolizing its long reach), and toss the defenders of a fort around as if they were [[toy]] [[anvil]]s. When one takes up residence near a fortress, it's up to those within to make an end of it, or it will make an end of them.

Strangely, this creature has eyes, but removing them won't do much as these [[metal]] monstrosities don't bleed or feel pain.

Upon its death a bronze colossus becomes a [[item_value|masterwork]] [[bronze]] [[statue]], great decoration for a grand entrance hall.

bronze colossi have very high rates of regeneration, however,
as a construct, Bronze colossi have [sever_on_break] meaning that anything which breaks joints(such as wrestling, hammers, maces, and "really" long falls) can easily maim/kill them. Cage traps are also known to be extremely powerful, however cheesy.

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[BUTCHERABLE_NONSTANDARD]
[FANCIFUL]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[PREFSTRING:height]
[BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:HUMANOID_JOINTS:5FINGERS:5TOES]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOBREATHE][NOBLEED][NOSTUN][NONAUSEA][NOEMOTION][RECKLESS]
[NOSTUCKINS][SEVERONBREAKS][NOSKULL][NOSKIN][NOBONES][NOMEAT][NOTHOUGHT][NOEXERT]
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[DAMBLOCK:8]
[NOFEAR]
[SIZE:20]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[EQUIPS]
[DIURNAL]
[BIOME_ANY_LAND]
[ITEMCORPSE:STATUE:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:BRONZE]
[ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]
[NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP]
[NO_GENDER]
[MATERIAL:METAL:BRONZE]
[SWIMS_LEARNED][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
}}
{{Creatures}}
[[Category:Megabeasts]]

40d:Water

2008-08-25T00:59:08Z

Eerr:

'''Water''' is a fluid found all over the world. It [[flow]]s from mountain springs, forming the world's [[ocean]]s, [[lake]]s, [[river]]s, and [[brook]]s. Water falls as [[rain]] and [[snow]], and freezes into [[ice]]. Water is home to [[aquatic creatures]]. Most creatures can [[Swimmer|swim]] in deep water, and like all fluids, air-breathing creatures can [[Swimmer#Drowning|drown]] in it. Water comes in two varieties: '''freshwater''', which makes up almost all inland water, and '''saltwater''', which fills the seas; these are home to different aquatic creatures. If dwarves do not drink they will become dehydrated(thirsty) and if they do not quench that thirst then they will eventually die. Injured dwarves will only drink freshwater, though normally dwarves prefer their [[Alcohol|booze]].

In addition, water can be ''stagnant'' or ''[[Murky pool|murky]]''. This may cause dwarves to have unhappy [[thought]]s if they drink from it.

When water comes into contact with creatures and objects, they become "[[Contaminant|contaminated]]" with it. [[Soil]] and [[stone]] becomes [[damp]] or [[mud]]dy, which can be used for [[Agriculture|farming]].

Water is displayed with the symbols {{Tile|≈|#008|#999}} and {{Tile|~|#008|#999}}, sometimes colored different blues, white, brown, or red to show ripples, [[mud]] (in the case of a brook), [[blood]] and [[flow]]. (The game can be [[Technical_tricks#The_look_of_the_game|configured]] to show the depth instead). Dark-colored water symbols indicate the water is one [[Z-level]] below the camera level. Water has 7 depth levels per tile, with 1 being perhaps ankle-deep, and 7 filling the tile completely. [[Dwarf|Dwarves]] and other [[humanoid]]s can walk through water up to depth 4. At 4 they can choose to walk or swim, any deeper and they must swim to pass through the tile. Elves drown only in 7/7 water, and wade in 6/7.

Every material sinks in water.{{version|0.27.176.38c}}

The [[Map tile|tiles]] above [[brook]]s are treated as [[floor]] tiles. They are passable to creatures, and objects do not fall into them.

==Water Flows==
Water above a depth of 1 will tend to flow towards any adjacent tiles, and can move diagonally, the depth will spread out evenly so a tile of 7/7 water will become seven 1/7 tiles, or if there are only two it can expand to it will become two 2/7 and a third 3/7 though the 3/7 will move around. Water can be stopped by most solid tiles. These include[[wall]]s and [[building]]s, plus closed [[floodgate]]s, [[door]]s, [[hatch]]es. Exceptions are [[grate]]s and [[bars]] which are specifically designed to allow liquids through. [[Waterfall]]s occur when water has the opportunity to fall through open space. Waterfalls will continue falling straight down until hitting either [[floor]] or another body of water.

== Water in Fortress Mode ==

In addition to drinking, pools and rivers can be used for [[fishing]]. To specify a pool of water as a water source, fishing zone, or [[pond]], you need to create [[activity zone]]s at the level above the water. The "level above the water" is the level at which the surface of the water is at foot-level instead of ceiling level. Water can be [[bridge]]d, and can also be used to make a [[moat]].

Water can be moved by [[digging]] channels or tunnels, using [[bucket]]s, or by constructing a [[screw pump]]. Dwarves will use buckets to fill a [[pond]]. [[Screw pump]]s (operated by dwarf or [[Power| machine power]]) can move water vertically and horizontally. Transferring water down channels/holes to lower levels can be hazardous due to [[water pressure]].

[[Cave lake|Lakes]] and [[murky pool]]s can be drained by digging into the side of them. Rivers can also be redirected in this manner. It is only possible to dig directly up into a water-filled tile using stairs. Fish and other aquatic creatures will stay in the water as it moves, but may end up on the ground if the water becomes too shallow. Drained lakes that are [[outside]] are filled by melting ice and snow, but not by rain. Murky pools, once drained, can be refilled by rainwater, allowing for "rain barrel" systems of supplying your fortress with water.

Tiles adjacent to a water-filled tile are labeled "damp" and flash the water symbol when accessing the {{k|d}}esignations menu. When a miner discovers a damp tile, he cancels the mining designation, the game pauses, and the camera centers on the tile. This happens for every damp tile discovered, and each must be designated again before a miner will dig it out.{{version|0.27.176.38c}} Digging under a water-filled tile does not actually drain it, even though you receive multiple warnings about damp tiles. If a tile already appears to be damp when it is designated, no warning will be given.

Somebody who falls into water, for example, a [[kobold]] thief, will then have a "water covering" on nearly every part of their anatomy. This is listed under {{k|v}},{{k|i}}nventory and is shown in green.

[[Water wheel]]s can be used to generate mechanical power from flows.

The water in a tile can be destroyed by closing a [[floodgate]] or [[door]] on it (via a [[lever]]), by lowering a [[bridge]] onto it, or by [[evaporation]]. Thus water mass is not conserved and it is possible to run out of water on maps without an infinite source(such as an [[ocean]], [[river]] or [[aquifer]]). It is also possible to get rid of excess water by letting it flow into a [[river]].

==Sourced Water==
'''Sourced water''' is a term referring to any water that will never run out (''i.e.'', water features you can see on the region map). These include "river sources" flowing into the map from the edge. It is possible to completely flood your fortress if you tap into these without building controls such as [[floodgate]]s.

==Water depth==
You can find out how deep water is by examining it with the loo{{k|k}} command, or by editing your init.dat file to display water as coloured numbers.

Water depth ranges from 0-7. The following is a qualitative description of how deep the water is relative to a dwarf.

<ol start="0">
<li>Not a true value (that is, you will never see it displayed) - there is no water on this tile.</li>
<li>A puddle.</li>
<li>Knee deep.</li>
<li>Waist deep.</li>
<li>Chest deep. Your dwarves will be colored blue to indicate they are underwater and have the option to swim. However dwarves prefer to walk instead of swim, and in 4/7 water they will wade regardless of swimming skill. dwarves never drown in 4/7 water. Also, a swimming creature can move through 4/7 water even if they are IMMOBILE_LAND.</li>
<li>Head height. Dwarves are now swimming (or drowning, as the case may be).</li>
<li>Over a dwarf's head.</li>
<li>The tile is full to the brim of water.</li>
</ol>

==Salt Water==
If a site contains saltwater (there will be a warning before embarkation), then ''all'' the naturally occurring water in that site will be salt water; including ponds, [[river|rivers]] and [[aquifer|aquifers]].

You can tell whether a particular area of water is salty or not by creating an [[activity zone]] around it. If 'water source' is not highlighted in the zone options, then it is saltwater, and thus undrinkable. the process of [[screw pump|pumping]] and oddly enough using a well, both remove salt making it suitable for drinking.

{{Water FAQ}}

[[category:Map_tiles]]
[[Category:Physics]]

40d:Item value

2008-08-24T07:21:12Z

Eerr: Undo revision 31310 by Eerr (Talk)

'''Value''' is determined by the base value of the object with multipliers for the material it is made out of, the [[quality]] of its creation, and any [[decoration]]s on it.

==Base values of items==
The base value of an item is found from what the item '''is''', not what it is made out of. For example, a wood block uses the base value for a block, not the one for 'wooden'. A wood log uses the base value for raw material.
{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
! Value
! Items
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|0||[[Bone]], [[Shell]], [[Fat]], Mangled Meat...
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|1||[[Bolt]]s, [[Seed]]s, [[Tallow]], [[Animal]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|2||[[Meat]], [[Fish]], Raw [[Fish]], [[Alcohol|Drink]]s, [[Plants]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|3||Raw Materials - Rough [[Gem]]s, [[Stone]], [[Log]]s etc
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|5||[[Metal|Bars]], Cut [[Gems]], [[Blocks]], [[Sand]], [[Leather|Tanned Hides]], [[Animal Trap]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|6||[[Thread]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|7||[[Cloth]]*
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|10||Coins, All [[furniture]] except [[statue]]s, all [[craft]]s, [[clothes]]*, [[Decoration]]s, [[Prepared meal]]s, large gems, [[Buckler]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|15||[[Shoes]]*, [[Clothing|Socks]]*, [[Boot]]s, [[Gauntlet]]s, [[Leggings]], [[Shield]]s, [[Helm]]s,
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|20||[[Leather]] [[Armor]], [[Siege Ammo]], [[Flour]], [[Dwarven sugar|Sugar]], [[Dwarven syrup|Syrup]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|25||[[Statue]]s, [[Window]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|30||[[Greaves]], [[Mechanism]]s, [[Siege Engine]] Parts
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|60||[[Chain Mail]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|100||[[Plate Mail]], [[Anvil]]s
|}

<nowiki>*</nowiki> Cloth items get a free decoration made of the same material. Goods made out of cloth get the following built in as decorations: the cloth (with quality mod), the thread (without quality), and the dye (with quality).

==Material multipliers==
The material multiplier of an item is found from what it is made out of. For example, a wood block uses the same multiplier as a log or chest - that for wood. Oddly, burned wood is no longer considered wooden, but has other modifiers.
{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|- style="vertical-align: top"
! Multiplier
! Materials
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|1||Common [[Stone]] (Shale, Jet, Bauxite, [[Bituminous coal]], Cinnabar..), [[Bismuthinite]], [[Wood]], [[Leather]], [[Bone]], [[Shell]], '''Plants:''' [[Muck root]], [[Prickle berry]], [[Rat weed]], [[Hide root]], [[Sliver barb]], [[Sun berry]], [[Whip vine]],
|-
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|2||[[Charcoal]], Green [[Glass]], [[Silk]], '''Plants:''' [[Plump helmet]], [[Pig tail]], [[Cave wheat]], [[Sweet pod]], [[Quarry bush]], [[Bloated tuber]], [[Wild strawberry]], [[Longland grass]], [[Fisher berry]], [[Rope reed]], [[Dimple cup]], [[Blade weed]], '''Stone:''' any [[Flux]], '''Metals:''' [[Lead]], [[Nickel]], [[Zinc]], [[Bismuth]], [[Copper]], [[Tin]], '''Ores:''' [[Garnierite]], [[Malachite]], [[Sphalerite]], [[Cassiterite]], '''Gems:''' [[Morion]], [[Onyx]], [[Schorl]], [[Moss agate]], [[Prase]], [[Variscite]], [[Banded agate]], [[Bloodstone]], [[Carnelian]], [[Sard]], [[Sardonyx]], [[Lavendar jade]], [[Pink jade]], [[Brown jasper]], [[Fire agate]], [[Plume agate]], [[Smoky quartz]], [[Tube agate]], [[Dendritic agate]], [[Fortification agate]], [[Gray chalcedony]], [[Milk quartz]], [[Moonstone]], [[Rock crystal]], [[White chalcedony]], [[White jade]], [[Blue jade]], [[Lace agate]], [[Lapis lazuli]], [[Chrysoprase]], [[Chrysocolla]], [[Turquoise]], [[Citrine]], [[Pyrite]], [[Sunstone]], [[Tiger iron]], [[Tigereye]], [[Yellow jasper]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|3||[[Obsidian]], [[Potash]], [[Nickel silver]], [[Lay pewter]], [[Tetrahedrite]], [[Aventurine]], [[Picture jasper]], [[Rose quartz]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|4||[[Pearlash]], [[Trifle pewter]],
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|5||[[Fine pewter]], [[Bronze]], [[Galena]], Clear [[Glass]], [[Kobold bulb]], [[Valley herb]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|6||[[Billon]], [[Bismuth bronze]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|7||[[Brass]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|8||[[Sterling silver]], [[Hematite]], [[Limonite]], [[Magnetite]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|10||[[Silver]],[[Iron]], Crystal [[Glass]], [[Pig iron]], [[Horn silver]], [[Moss opal]], [[Prase opal]], [[Amber opal]], [[Wax opal]], [[Wood opal]], [[Bone opal]], [[Clear tourmaline]], [[Jasper opal]], [[Milk opal]], [[Onyx opal]], [[Pineapple opal]], [[Pipe opal]], [[Shell opal]], [[Cherry opal]], [[Gold opal]], [[Resin opal]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|11||[[Black bronze]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|15||[[Melanite]], [[Red tourmaline]], [[Jelly opal]], [[Fire opal]], [[Pink tourmaline]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|20||[[Giant cave spider]] [[silk]], [[Electrum]], [[Black pyrope]], [[Black zircon]], [[Green tourmaline]], [[Green zircon]], [[Almandine]], [[Red grossular]], [[Red pyrope]], [[Red spinel]], [[Red zircon]], [[Purple spinel]], [[Rhodolite]], [[Alexandrite]], [[Amethyst]], [[Kunzite]], [[Morganite]], [[Pink garnet]], [[Tanzanite]], [[Violet spessartine]], [[Brown zircon]], [[Cinnamon grossular]], [[Honey yellow beryl]], [[Bandfire opal]], [[Cat's eye]], [[Clear garnet]], [[Crystal opal]], [[Goshenite]], [[Harlequin opal]], [[Pinfire opal]], [[White opal]], [[Claro opal]], [[Chrysoberyl]], [[Green jade]], [[Heliodor]], [[Peridot]], [[Aquamarine]], [[Precious fire opal]], [[Red beryl]], [[Red flash opal]], [[Golden beryl]], [[Levin opal]], [[Rubicelle]], [[Topaz]], [[Topazolite]], [[Yellow grossular]], [[Yellow spessartine]], [[Yellow zircon]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|23||[[Rose gold]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|25||[[Soap]], [[Indigo tourmaline]], [[Clear zircon]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|30||[[Gold]], [[Steel]], [[Black opal]], [[Blue garnet]], [[Demantoid]], [[Tsavorite]], [[Light yellow diamond]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|40||[[Platinum]], [[Aluminum]], [[Sapphire]], [[Emerald]], [[Ruby]], [[Faint yellow diamond]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|60||[[Black diamond]], [[Blue diamond]], [[Green diamond]], [[Red diamond]], [[Clear diamond]], [[Star sapphire]], [[Star ruby]], [[Yellow diamond]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|250||[[Raw adamantine]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|300||[[Adamantine]]
|}

== Quality ==
Item value is further increased by applying the [[Quality|quality]] modifier.

{|
! style="padding-right: 35px;" | '''Designation''' || style="text-align: left;" | '''Description''' || style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 15px; text-align: center;" | '''Value Modifier''' ||
|-
|  Item Name || style="text-align: center;" | —     || style="text-align: center;" | ×1  ||
|-
| -Item Name- || Well-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×2  ||
|-
| +Item Name+ || Finely-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×3  ||
|-
| *Item Name* || Superior quality || style="text-align: center;" | ×4  ||
|-
| ≡Item Name≡ || Exceptional || style="text-align: center;" | ×5  ||
|-
| ☼Item Name☼ || Masterful || style="text-align: center;" | ×12  ||
|}

==Decorations==

Your [[craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] can add [[decoration|decorations]] to your objects. This increases their value. The base value of a decoration is 10. This is multiplied with the material the decoration is made of and the [[quality]] of the decoration, and added to the value of the item. For example, a [[gold]] stud would be worth 10 (base value for the decoration) times 30 (material multiplier for gold) =300☼. A finely crafted gold stud would be 3*10*30=900☼.

Engravings are decorations that treat all materials as having a modifier of 1- an engraving in mudstone is as valuable as an engraving in obsidian or raw adamantine.

== Dyeing ==
Value gained by [[dye]]ing is added, like that of decorations. Only [[thread]], [[cloth]] and its products can be dyed. For details see [[Dye]].

==Examples==
{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|-
! Base Object
!
! Material
!
! [[Quality]]
!
! Final Value
|-
|[[Anvil]] ||(100)||[[Steel]] ||(x30)||+Item+ ||(x3)||9000☼
|-
|[[Door]] ||(10)||[[Obsidian]] ||(x3)||None ||(x1)||30☼
|-
|[[Block]] ||(5)||[[Wood]] ||(x1)||None ||(x1)||5☼
|-
|[[Goblet]] ||(10)||[[Lead]] ||(x2)||-Item- ||(x2)||40☼
|-
|[[Goblet]] ||(10)||[[Aluminum]]||(x40)||☼Item☼ ||(x12)||4800☼
|}

[[Category:Items|*Value]]

40d:Item value

2008-08-24T07:20:15Z

Eerr: /* Material multipliers */

'''Value''' is determined by the base value of the object with multipliers for the material it is made out of, the [[quality]] of its creation, and any [[decoration]]s on it.

==Base values of items==
The base value of an item is found from what the item '''is''', not what it is made out of. For example, a wood block uses the base value for a block, not the one for 'wooden'. A wood log uses the base value for raw material.
{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
! Value
! Items
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|0||[[Bone]], [[Shell]], [[Fat]], Mangled Meat...
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|1||[[Bolt]]s, [[Seed]]s, [[Tallow]], [[Animal]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|2||[[Meat]], [[Fish]], Raw [[Fish]], [[Alcohol|Drink]]s, [[Plants]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|3||Raw Materials - Rough [[Gem]]s, [[Stone]], [[Log]]s etc
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|5||[[Metal|Bars]], Cut [[Gems]], [[Blocks]], [[Sand]], [[Leather|Tanned Hides]], [[Animal Trap]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|6||[[Thread]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|7||[[Cloth]]*
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|10||Coins, All [[furniture]] except [[statue]]s, all [[craft]]s, [[clothes]]*, [[Decoration]]s, [[Prepared meal]]s, large gems, [[Buckler]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|15||[[Shoes]]*, [[Clothing|Socks]]*, [[Boot]]s, [[Gauntlet]]s, [[Leggings]], [[Shield]]s, [[Helm]]s,
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|20||[[Leather]] [[Armor]], [[Siege Ammo]], [[Flour]], [[Dwarven sugar|Sugar]], [[Dwarven syrup|Syrup]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|25||[[Statue]]s, [[Window]]s
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|30||[[Greaves]], [[Mechanism]]s, [[Siege Engine]] Parts
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|60||[[Chain Mail]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|100||[[Plate Mail]], [[Anvil]]s
|}

<nowiki>*</nowiki> Cloth items get a free decoration made of the same material. Goods made out of cloth get the following built in as decorations: the cloth (with quality mod), the thread (without quality), and the dye (with quality).

==Material multipliers==
The material multiplier of an item is found from what it is made out of. For example, a wood block uses the same multiplier as a log or chest - that for wood. Oddly, burned wood is no longer considered wooden, but has other modifiers.
{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|- style="vertical-align: top"
! Multiplier
! Materials
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|1||Common [[Stone]] (Shale, Jet, Bauxite, [[Bituminous coal]], Cinnabar..), [[Bismuthinite]], [[Wood]], [[Leather]], [[Bone]], [[Shell]], '''Plants:''' [[Muck root]], [[Prickle berry]], [[Rat weed]], [[Hide root]], [[Sliver barb]], [[Sun berry]], [[Whip vine]],
|-
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|2||[[Charcoal]], Green [[Glass]], [[Silk]], '''Plants:''' [[Plump helmet]], [[Pig tail]], [[Cave wheat]], [[Sweet pod]], [[Quarry bush]], [[Bloated tuber]], [[Wild strawberry]], [[Longland grass]], [[Fisher berry]], [[Rope reed]], [[Dimple cup]], [[Blade weed]], '''Stone:''' any [[Flux]], '''Metals:''' [[Lead]], [[Nickel]], [[Zinc]], [[Bismuth]], [[Copper]], [[Tin]], '''Ores:''' [[Garnierite]], [[Malachite]], [[Sphalerite]], [[Cassiterite]], '''Gems:''' [[Morion]], [[Onyx]], [[Schorl]], [[Moss agate]], [[Prase]], [[Variscite]], [[Banded agate]], [[Bloodstone]], [[Carnelian]], [[Sard]], [[Sardonyx]], [[Lavendar jade]], [[Pink jade]], [[Brown jasper]], [[Fire agate]], [[Plume agate]], [[Smoky quartz]], [[Tube agate]], [[Dendritic agate]], [[Fortification agate]], [[Gray chalcedony]], [[Milk quartz]], [[Moonstone]], [[Rock crystal]], [[White chalcedony]], [[White jade]], [[Blue jade]], [[Lace agate]], [[Lapis lazuli]], [[Chrysoprase]], [[Chrysocolla]], [[Turquoise]], [[Citrine]], [[Pyrite]], [[Sunstone]], [[Tiger iron]], [[Tigereye]], [[Yellow jasper]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|3||[[Obsidian]], [[Potash]], [[Nickel silver]], [[Lay pewter]], [[Tetrahedrite]], [[Aventurine]], [[Picture jasper]], [[Rose quartz]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|4||[[Pearlash]], [[Trifle pewter]],
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|5||[[Fine pewter]], [[Bronze]], [[Galena]], Clear [[Glass]], [[Kobold bulb]], [[Valley herb]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|6||[[Billon]], [[Bismuth bronze]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|7||[[Brass]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|8||[[Sterling silver]], [[Hematite]], [[Limonite]], [[Magnetite]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|10||[[Silver]],[[Iron]], Crystal [[Glass]], [[Pig iron]], [[Horn silver]], [[Moss opal]], [[Prase opal]], [[Amber opal]], [[Wax opal]], [[Wood opal]], [[Bone opal]], [[Clear tourmaline]], [[Jasper opal]], [[Milk opal]], [[Onyx opal]], [[Pineapple opal]], [[Pipe opal]], [[Shell opal]], [[Cherry opal]], [[Gold opal]], [[Resin opal]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|11||[[Black bronze]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|15||[[Melanite]], [[Red tourmaline]], [[Jelly opal]], [[Fire opal]], [[Pink tourmaline]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|20||[[Giant cave spider]] [[silk]], [[Electrum]], [[Black pyrope]], [[Black zircon]], [[Green tourmaline]], [[Green zircon]], [[Almandine]], [[Red grossular]], [[Red pyrope]], [[Red spinel]], [[Red zircon]], [[Purple spinel]], [[Rhodolite]], [[Alexandrite]], [[Amethyst]], [[Kunzite]], [[Morganite]], [[Pink garnet]], [[Tanzanite]], [[Violet spessartine]], [[Brown zircon]], [[Cinnamon grossular]], [[Honey yellow beryl]], [[Bandfire opal]], [[Cat's eye]], [[Clear garnet]], [[Crystal opal]], [[Goshenite]], [[Harlequin opal]], [[Pinfire opal]], [[White opal]], [[Claro opal]], [[Chrysoberyl]], [[Green jade]], [[Heliodor]], [[Peridot]], [[Aquamarine]], [[Precious fire opal]], [[Red beryl]], [[Red flash opal]], [[Golden beryl]], [[Levin opal]], [[Rubicelle]], [[Topaz]], [[Topazolite]], [[Yellow grossular]], [[Yellow spessartine]], [[Yellow zircon]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|23||[[Rose gold]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|25||[[Soap]], [[Indigo tourmaline]], [[Clear zircon]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|30||[[Gold]], [[Steel]], [[Black opal]], [[Blue garnet]], [[Demantoid]], [[Tsavorite]], [[Light yellow diamond]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|40||[[Platinum]], [[Aluminum]], [[Sapphire]], [[Emerald]], [[Ruby]], [[Faint yellow diamond]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|60||[[Black diamond]], [[Blue diamond]], [[Green diamond]], [[Red diamond]], [[Clear diamond]], [[Star sapphire]], [[Star ruby]], [[Yellow diamond]]
|- style="vertical-align: top; background-color: #EEE"
|250||[[Raw adamantine]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|300||[[Adamantine]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|1500||[[Adamantine wafer]]
|- style="vertical-align: top"
|1800||[[Adamantine strand]]
|}

== Quality ==
Item value is further increased by applying the [[Quality|quality]] modifier.

{|
! style="padding-right: 35px;" | '''Designation''' || style="text-align: left;" | '''Description''' || style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 15px; text-align: center;" | '''Value Modifier''' ||
|-
|  Item Name || style="text-align: center;" | —     || style="text-align: center;" | ×1  ||
|-
| -Item Name- || Well-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×2  ||
|-
| +Item Name+ || Finely-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×3  ||
|-
| *Item Name* || Superior quality || style="text-align: center;" | ×4  ||
|-
| ≡Item Name≡ || Exceptional || style="text-align: center;" | ×5  ||
|-
| ☼Item Name☼ || Masterful || style="text-align: center;" | ×12  ||
|}

==Decorations==

Your [[craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] can add [[decoration|decorations]] to your objects. This increases their value. The base value of a decoration is 10. This is multiplied with the material the decoration is made of and the [[quality]] of the decoration, and added to the value of the item. For example, a [[gold]] stud would be worth 10 (base value for the decoration) times 30 (material multiplier for gold) =300☼. A finely crafted gold stud would be 3*10*30=900☼.

Engravings are decorations that treat all materials as having a modifier of 1- an engraving in mudstone is as valuable as an engraving in obsidian or raw adamantine.

== Dyeing ==
Value gained by [[dye]]ing is added, like that of decorations. Only [[thread]], [[cloth]] and its products can be dyed. For details see [[Dye]].

==Examples==
{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|-
! Base Object
!
! Material
!
! [[Quality]]
!
! Final Value
|-
|[[Anvil]] ||(100)||[[Steel]] ||(x30)||+Item+ ||(x3)||9000☼
|-
|[[Door]] ||(10)||[[Obsidian]] ||(x3)||None ||(x1)||30☼
|-
|[[Block]] ||(5)||[[Wood]] ||(x1)||None ||(x1)||5☼
|-
|[[Goblet]] ||(10)||[[Lead]] ||(x2)||-Item- ||(x2)||40☼
|-
|[[Goblet]] ||(10)||[[Aluminum]]||(x40)||☼Item☼ ||(x12)||4800☼
|}

[[Category:Items|*Value]]

40d:Toy

2008-08-24T07:08:54Z

Eerr:

A '''Toy''' is a [[craft|craftable]] item. It serves no purpose except as an [[export]] good until after the [[dwarven economy]], when it will become a wanted trinket among some [[dwarves]].

Toys can be made from materials accessable by any [[craftsdwarf]], which includes [[stone]], [[metal]], [[wood]], [[plant fiber]], [[leather]], and [[bone]]. All toys are made at a craftdwarfshop, including plant fiber and leather. On occasion, a [[dwarf]] in a [[strange mood]] will make a toy out of materials not normally suited for toys, such as [[silk]].

[[Category:Items]]

40d:Losing

2008-08-24T05:22:28Z

Eerr: /* Dehydration */

Losing is fun!

Either way, it keeps you busy.

Most new players will lose their first few forts; <s>if</s> when you lose a fortress, don't feel like you don't understand the game. Dwarf Fortress has a steep learning curve, and part of the appeal is discovering things for yourself. However, this Wiki serves as an excellent place to speed up the learning process.

If you lose, you can always [[reclaim fortress mode|reclaim fortress]] or go visit it in [[adventurer mode]].

If you're looking for more ways to <s>die horribly</s> test yourself, try either the [[Difficult Seeds]], [[Mega Constructions]], [[Challenge Builds]] or the [[Goals]] pages.

== Autopsy ==

Various things can cause you to lose a fortress.

=== Losing your miners ===

If your [[miner]]s are killed in a [[cave-in|collapse]] and their equipment destroyed, chances are good that you will no longer be able to continue your efforts. Consider abandoning your fortress. Alternatively, you can try to keep your fortress running long enough to request additional [[pick]]s from your Outpost [[Liaison]], who will arrive with the next dwarven trade [[caravan]]. It will take another year before they will return. 
Also consider the tedious but fun option of making buildings outside! If your [[woodcutter]]s with [[axe]]s are still available, then you can build structures of [[wood]]. This is not recommended for very new players though, as it is intensely resource-demanding and takes a lot of managing to get right. (Also not recommended if you don't understand the z-axis system yet.)

=== Starvation ===

A serious danger, generally in the more inhospitable climates, is the loss of your dwarves due to starvation; if you are in the heart of a mountain with no [[soil]] to build on, it is possible you will not be able to establish [[farm]]s. As dwarves begin to starve, they will become Hungry, then Starving. This will cause them to become very angry. When they die, their friends will become upset and will become even angrier, potentially causing the remainder of your fortress to break out in a terminal brawl.

Don't forget your alternative sources of [[food]]. Try [[butchering]] your [[animals]], [[plant gathering|gathering plants]], or resorting to [[hunting]] of local wildlife.

===Dehydration===

One of the biggest problems with a fortress that has no [[brook]], [[stream]], [[river]], or other source of fresh [[water]]. Water must be rapidly gathered from stagnant pools and stored into an indoor basin or water tower, with sufficient depth before it [[evaporate]]s. If this fails, all of the water on the map will evaporate and your dwarves will be left without any water.

Healthy Dwarves will not die of thirst as long as they have alcohol, which in the current version can be [[Brewing|brewed]] without the use of water. However, injured dwarves must be given water, not alcohol, or they will die of dehydration.

===Flooding accidents===

The opposite side of the dehydration spectrum is having too ''much'' water. Remember that water can [[flow]] in 10 directions (the 8 horizontal ones as well as up and down). It is also worth remembering that, unlike water, [[magma]] does not flow upwards.

If your fortress is beginning to flood from [[Water#Sourced Water|sourced water]], abandon all of the levels the water can reach immediately—drafting dwarves into the [[military]] and stationing them onto the surface if need be. You will never be able to recover those areas unless you can manage to [[pump]] out the water faster than it floods in, which can take over a year or two of game time to establish a functioning automated pump system. Generally, a flooding accident spells doom for your fortress.

===Invasion===

The [[goblin]]s first come with about a dozen soldiers to [[siege]] your fort. Then they come again with about two dozen. Then three. Soon enough your [[trap]]s are all sprung, your [[door]]s beaten down, and your dwarves are dead. Without some simple [[Fortress defense|defense]]s, such as a [[moat]], a horde of goblins on your doorstep can be deadly.

===Wildlife===

Goblins aren't the only creatures that want you dead. Be it [[unicorn|unicorns]], [[hippo|hippos]], [[undead]] [[elephant|elephants]] or a [[giant cave spider]], a sudden wildlife attack can quickly cripple or destroy an unprepared fortress.

===Volcanic Death===

Toady has stated that in the future volcanoes will be much less stable and much more deadly.

===General Unhappiness===

Think it's no big deal to leave your dwarves with a mediocre dining room, living room, and a generally inadequate fortress?

If there is little in a fortress to give your dwarves happy [[thoughts]] and enough to give them unhappy [[thoughts]], then your dwarves will start to throw tantrums, go melancholy, and destroy your civilization. Unhappiness is more likely to occur if your fortress is suffering other kinds of downfall.

===Siege===

Should hosts of goblins besiege your gates, drive your peasantry inside and force you to seal off from the outside world, you may have already lost the game. Although a dwarven fortress can be made to appear self-contained, with sources of [[metal]], [[fuel]], underground [[list of crops|crops]] and even livestock kept within inaccessible tunnels, very rarely if ever can a fortress sustain such a state indefinitely. For example, [[trade]] with the outside world has now been shut off, leaving you only what minerals are on your map for the production of mandate goods. This results in a breakdown of social order if your [[Hammerer]] kills and maims dwarves. [[Shell]], [[bone]], [[leather]] and other products commonly acquired by [[hunting]] and [[fishing]] can no longer be found by your workers, which can drive moody [[craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] to commit suicide. Rotten vermin [[corpse]]s begin to heap in your food supply, forcing you to dump these into garbage pits and refuse piles generating [[miasma]]. One fell miscalculation of your fuel reserves may leave you without [[coke]] to refine further coal, and without a supply of timber for your wood burning [[furnace]] this can drive your [[weaponsmith]]s to melancholy or berserk rage, and worse, end your vital [[weapon]]s production for a future counterattack. Your watersupply and aqueducts can be assaulted unless sealed off, and caverivers almost always send sporadic, bloodthirsty monsters to cause further casualties. But should you be waterless, your wounded will die of dehydration and your entire colony will hinge on [[alcohol|booze]] production; a delicate balancing act.

With all these critical industries unproductive, dwarves dying, and friends mourning over the rotting heaps of slain loved ones, its important to remember your dwarves have nothing to do but throw funeral receptions, grief counseling sessions, and the occasional keg stand. This means they've all become one big happy family of friends, manically depressed from the loss of any dwarf.

In short, the attacking army can simply wait until your dwarves emo themselves to death.

[[ru:Поражение]]

40d:Ocean

2008-08-24T05:20:51Z

Eerr:

An '''ocean''' is an immense volume of [[Water|saltwater]]. There are generally two or three oceans on every generated map. They come in three varieties, based on temperature, which affects the sea life found there: [[Arctic]], [[Temperate]] and [[Tropical]]. It is not possible to found a fort solely in an oceanic [[biome]], some land is needed.

== Geography ==

Oceans tend to have a heavy effect on the surrounding geography of the generated world. [[Volcano]]es can often be found around the perimeter of the ocean, and this tends to be easiest place to find them. [[Marsh]]es and [[swamp]]s also tend to form around oceanic coastlines, especially near [[river]]s. The land surrounding oceans also tends to have a high water table, resulting in [[aquifer]]s close to the surface.

== Survival==
Ocean habitats frequently contain the following obstacles:
*Undrinkable saltwater
(wells and screw pumps can be used to purify saltwater)
*[[Aquifer]]s
*[[Undead]] Fish
(fish in evil areas can walk on land, don't ask)

== Life next to an ocean ==

Despite the warnings that the fortress selection screen displays, oceanside [[location]]s can be quite habitable - provided they are chosen well.

[[Image:Ocean-unique-features.GIF|thumb|400px|right| An oceanic shoreline. A wave crashes into the beach causing mist; on the right an exposed vein of Native Platinum is visible through the erosion during world generation. Stacks of [[driftwood]] also cover the beaches.]]

Oceans have a multitude of benefits: they're generally sparsely populated, they usually have an abundance of [[Agriculture|arable]] [[soil]], and the nearby [[aquifer]] may provide an accessible source of [[Water|freshwater]]. Ocean [[fish]] are usually abundant and a good source of [[food]], though some sea [[creatures]] can be dangerous, particularly in [[Region#Surroundings|evil]] areas. Some oceans have [[sand]] beaches, a good resource for [[glass]]making. Oceans also provide a few unique geographic features, including stacks of [[driftwood]] and ocean waves - which crash against the beach to produce [[mist]]. The erosion caused by waves also tends to leave numerous exposed mineral veins and [[gem]] deposits at sea level, and some minerals like [[platinum]] form deposits in alluvial areas.

Despite these benefits, oceanic shorelines provide some challenges, and can be difficult starting areas. It is important to check for some variation in topography when choosing an ocean location, as the ground is almost always water-laden one tile down from sea-level. Even if slightly hilly terrain is found, there is no guarantee that [[stone]] will still be accessible. [[Forest]]s tend to make good [[biome]] additions, as they tend to have more varied terrain than marshes and swamps. When picking a forest it is important that the treeline extends at least two tiles away from the shoreline on the Local Map, otherwise you may potentially only have stacks of useless driftwood and no actual [[tree]]s and [[shrub]]s.

{{World}}

[[Category:Biomes]]
[[Category:Map tiles]]
[[Category:Water bodies]]
[[Category:World]]

40d:Decoration

2008-08-24T05:09:50Z

Eerr:

A decorative image raises the [[value]] of an object by adding another material to the base item. Decorations have quality levels. The base value of a decoration is 10☼, multiplied by its [[Item_value#Material_Multipliers|material multiplier]] and [[Quality|quality multiplier]].

An object may be decorated with any number of materials, provided the materials are of different types. For example, you can decorate an object with turtle shell and cave lobster shell, but you can't decorate it with turtle shell twice.

You cannot specify an specific object for a dwarf to decorate. Dwarves will use the closest object that has not already been decorated with the material they intend to decorate the next object with. The exception is when encrusting something with gems, where you are able to specify a category of goods to be decorated.

;Bone, Shell
: Objects can be decorated with [[bone]] or [[shell]] at a [[craftdwarf's workshop]]. Requires [[bone carving]].

;Gem
: Objects can be encrusted with [[Gem|cut gem]]s (and cut glass) at a [[jeweler's workshop]]. You may specify whether to decorate furniture, finished goods or ammo. Requires [[gem setting]].

;Metal studs
: Objects can be studded with various metals at a metalsmith's forge. Requires [[metalcrafting]]. This does not require [[fuel]].

;Cloth
: [[Cloth]] images (both plant fiber and silk) can be sewn onto clothing items and bags at a [[clothier's shop]]. Cloth images cannot be sewn onto bags or quivers that contain items. Requires [[clothier]].

;Leather
: Leather images can be sewn onto clothing items in the same manner as cloth, with the same restrictions. Requires [[leatherworking]] and a [[leather works]].

The type of decoration does not affect the value it adds to the item. Spikes are more common decorations. Bands are less common decorations. Rarely, a picture of something will be engraved into the item, similar to [[engraving]] a natural wall or floor.

40d:Aquifer

2008-08-24T03:12:59Z

Eerr: /* Dealing with aquifers */

An '''aquifer''' is a subterranean layer of water-bearing rock or [[soil]]. Attempts to mine through them will result in the mined-out squares immediately filling with [[water]], effectively halting excavation at or below their level. This, in conjunction with the fact that they are often located in areas rich in [[loam]], and [[sand]], makes it difficult to find great quantities of [[stone]] in areas with aquifers, making for more challenging gameplay.

== Where they are found ==
Aquifers are found in soil layers and some porous rock layers.

Layers which CAN contain aquifers:
*[[Soil|sandy clay loam]]
*[[Soil|silty clay loam]]
*[[Soil|loam]]
*[[Soil|sandy loam]]
*[[Soil|silt loam]]
*[[Soil|loamy sand]]
*[[Soil|silt]]
*[[sand]]
*[[Soil|yellow sand]]
*[[Soil|white sand]]
*[[Soil|black sand]]
*[[Soil|red sand]]
*[[Soil|peat]]
*[[Soil|pelagic clay]]
*[[Soil|calcareous ooze]]
*[[Soil|siliceous ooze]]
*[[sandstone]]
*[[conglomerate]]

Layers which CAN'T contain aquifers
*[[Soil|clay]]
*[[Soil|silty clay]]
*[[Soil|sandy clay]]
*[[Soil|clay loam]]
*[[siltstone]]
*[[mudstone]]

== Dealing with aquifers ==

The challenges presented by an aquifer may be circumvented in several ways. Firstly, much more of your equipment will likely be made from [[wood]], especially early on, so it may help to be in a heavily forested area. Once you've established your fortress a bit, you will also be able to [[trade]] for stone and [[metal]]s if you run short.

It is also worth noting that it sometimes possible to find some amount of stone above the aquifer. It may help to create exploratory shafts searching for pockets of stone. Be aware that mining along the level immediately above the aquifer will result in patches of 'damp stone,' which will flood if mined out; these squares will flash with water when designating mining areas.

===The speed method===
For multi layer aquifers, if your miners dig fast enough more than one aquifer layer can be pierced.as of 40c one aquifer can drain into another. Ths allows work to be done from a layer down, but does not successfully pierce through all aquifer layers completely.

===The ore method===
On maps where the aquifer is not held in a layer of soil, but instead is held in a [[sedimentary layer]] such as [[sandstone]], it may be possible to tunnel down through deposits of [[ore]] such as [[magnetite]]. For this to work you have to find a spot where there is coincidentally an ore deposit on each Z-level you need to dig through. This is only possible through tiresome trial and error, or through the use of a [[Utilities|utility]] like reveal.exe.

===The magma method===
If you have access to a supply of [[magma]], you can create your own [[obsidian]] caissons. The water from the aquifer is not pressurized and magma is chunky, so it is safe to dig [[channel]]s in aquifer. Though you will have to re-dig a lot of channels due to an element of chance, you can create a pool of magma on the aquifer z-level, and then pinch the pool off from the supply of magma with water. When it cools (which you can hasten with more water) you can dig down through the middle of a 3x3 patch of obsidian without flooding. With larger starting patches, you can dig through multiple levels of aquifer.

===The other magma method===
Magma vents have two outer layers that may allow you to get past the aquifer with minimal effort. Just outside the magma is a layer of obsidian, one of the many stones unable to hold aquifer water, or . Just outside the obsidian is a layer of the surrounding aquifer that has been dried by the [[magma vent]]. Depending on the exact layout of your magma vent, you may be able to dig straight down next to it, or you may have to dig around a bit to find a workable path.

Tips:
*With a visible magma shaft, any tile that is not touching the magma on its Z-level (by edge or corner) is safe from magma, even if there is magma directly above it.
*Any tile which is not marked as damp is safe from the aquifer, even if there is a damp tile next to it.
*To find the water-safe tiles, you can dig down [[stair]]cases on the floor above, which reveal the tile below. These can later be covered up by constructed [[floor]]s, if you want.
**'''Warning:''' Do not dig up staircases on the aquifer layer until you know the tile is safe from water. Digging an up staircase creates an open tile, which can fill with water and render adjacent squares unsafe.
*The dried tiles are the same type as the surrounding aquifer, so an aquifer-filled sand layer can be used for gathering sand, if it touches the magma vent.

===The pump method===
It is possible to [[pump]] the water out of an aquifer; though the supply is apparently unlimited it can be pumped out faster than the water seeps in, allowing for a fairly safe area on the z level. This method is somewhat dangerous since problems with your pumps can lead to drowning, however, it allows a larger area to be cleared than most methods and can be done anywhere. It's possible to build [[wall]]s on the levels with aquifers to stop water. It's also easier to plan around a series of pumps than hoping you'll hit rock on the way down.
There is an example of how to get through an aquifer with pumps here: http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-120-aquifercmv
Note that this method will not work with the current version, as it is no longer possible to pump an infinite amount of water into one tile. It can be modified, however, by placing channels behind the pumps so that the water drains back into the aquifer.

It is possible to expand this method to breach multiple z-levels. Just make sure your room on the next level down has a minimum of room allowed for this design. For areas larger than the design, break up the room into smaller areas (6x6 is reasonably workable) and pump them out one at a time from at least three sides (into another section when necessary, you only need one dry at a time), and building walls on the outer edges. As you pump out additional sections, you can connect them, digging through the dividing dirt walls and building a wall between the two sections you've already built to complete the water-proofing. As a note, pumps can't pump if you build a wall in the space they're pumping from, which is why it is necessary to either pump from all four sides, or to dig out the space to rewall.

===The ice method===
There is a simple method of getting past an aquifer although it is restricted to a small shaft down, and not possible on all maps.
You will need:
*9 pieces of material suitable for crafting [[Wall|Walls]] and [[floor]]s.
*1 [[Carpenter]] or [[Mason]] (depending on your wall's building material of choice)
*1 [[Miner]] (using multiple miners runs the danger of one miner digging a channel on the floor another is standing on!*)[Fixed in .33f]
*A map which freezes

Steps:
#Dig channels in a 5x5 square.
#Dig stairs on the outside of the square to allow access to the next level.
#Carefully dig channels underneath all the other channels and build another stair down.
#Continue down in this way until you're right above the water table.
#Dig channels around a central square.
#Wait for the water to freeze.
#The outer-most blocks of ice on the aquifer level will prevent the inner block from being damp.
#Dig a central set of stairs which will allow you to go through the aquifer level and access the levels below.
#If the map will warm up, make sure to surround the stairwell on the aquifer level with walls.
#This system can be expanded to allow for a bigger stairwell.

Diagram:
*<tt>C</tt> - channel
*<tt>G</tt> - grate
*<tt>W</tt> - wall
*<tt>X</tt> - up/down stairs
*<tt>></tt> - down stair
*<tt><</tt> - up stair
*<tt>I</tt> - Ice/water
*<tt>F</tt> - Floor

Surface level:
<pre>
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CCCCC
CCCCC
</pre>
Intermediate levels:
<pre>
CCCCC
CCCCC
CCCCCX
CCCCC
CCCCC
</pre>
Aquifer level + 1:
<pre>
CCCCC
CCCCC
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CCCCC
CCCCC
</pre>
Aquifer level:
<pre>
IIIII
IWWWI
IWXWI
IWWWI
IIIII
</pre>

===The cave-in method===
If you cause the soil layers above the aquifer to cave-in on the aquifer layer, the caved-in layers above the aquifer will become mineable.

===Differing biomes===
If your local area has more than one [[biome]], you may be able to dig down in one biome to bridge under an aquifer in another. This won't work if the aquifer is present in all biomes, of course, but it may be useful in the case of a surprise aquifer that was not marked on the region selection screen.

== Advantages of aquifers ==

It's worth noting that the presence of an aquifer, while challenging, does offer some slight advantages. Firstly, much of the area [[underground]] but above the aquifer will be sand, clay, or loam, all of which can be planted in without requiring any kind of irrigation or flooding, allowing farming to get under way quicker and with less stress. Additionally, the presence of water 3-4 z-levels below ground anywhere on the map makes placing [[well]]s a simpler task, as well as ensuring easy access to subterranean water supplies. Also, just as water will flow endlessly ''out'' of an aquifer if there is a way out, it will flow endlessly ''into'' an aquifer given time. If you dig a channel into an aquifer, water that runs into the channel will disappear without ever causing it to overflow.

== General Tips ==
*Tunnels dug directly below an aquifer will flood. Go down another level before you ruin all that hard work you spent getting through in the first place.
*Smoothing an aquifer wall will make it stop leaking water. This is especially useful when you are trying to get through with a pump. A tunnel directly below a smoothed aquifer tile will not flood. Digging through the smoothed wall tile will cause it to leak water again until you have completely dug out the tile.
*An aquifer wall will not leak water diagonally; it will only add water to tiles directly north/south/east/west.
*On an ocean [[island]], the aquifer is not potable (unlike aquifers on real-life oceanic islands), so you cannot create drinking water zones from the aquifer.
{{World}}

40d:Smoothing

2008-08-24T01:02:51Z

Eerr:

'''Smoothing''' natural [[wall]]s and [[floor]]s will increase the value of [[rooms]] and change their appearance to that of rooms with constructed walls and floors. It is done by dwarves with the [[Stone Detailing]] skill.
A smooth surface is also needed if you wish to [[engrave]] to further increase the room's value, or to carve a [[Fortification|fortification]]. Smoothed walls look similar to manually constructed [[wall]]s and they join neatly with corners, t-junctions and straight bits. A single smoothed rock will appear as a pillar until joined to adjacent walls.

== Smoothing an area ==
# Press {{K|d}} to open the designate menu.
# Press {{K|s}} to select "Smooth Stone".
# Move the cursor to a position on or near a wall and press {{K|enter}}.
# The spot you marked changes to a blinking green "+" indicating where the area you wish to smooth extends from.
# Move the cursor to any position, across the area you wish to smooth and then press {{K|enter}} again.
# The wall tiles in the area you defined should blink with a white regular pattern.
# Wait for a dwarf to smooth the stone on the walls.

== Note ==
*You cannot smooth soil, such as silt, clay, loam, peat or sand. However, unlike previous versions, metal ores and other valuable stones can be smoothed.
*Smoothing a muddy floor will remove the mud - it is therefore a bad idea to smooth your underground farm.
*Smoothing a stone aquifer wall will cause it to stop leaking water.
[[Category:Designations]]

40d:Bin

2008-08-24T00:57:33Z

Eerr:

A '''Bin''' is a specially made basket for certain [[stockpiles]]. A bin can be made from one [[wood|wooden log]] at a [[carpenter's workshop]] or three [[bar]]s of [[metal]] at a [[forge]]. Bins make it possible to store lots of objects into one tile of a stockpile. A stockpile without a bin will likely fill up fast, leaving any remaining items where they are to get in the way.

Stockpiles that use bins are [[ammo]], [[armor]], [[bar]]s/[[block]]s, [[cloth]], [[Currency|coins]], [[finished goods]], [[gems]], [[leather]] and [[weapons]]. [[Food]] stockpiles use [[barrel]]s instead of bins. Other stockpiles do not use anything at all.

When possible, dwarves will organize stockpiles with multiple bins into subgroups. Dwarves can mix items in a bin when given the order to through the stockpile menu.

Bins also save time when hauling goods to the [[trade depot]], as a bin marked for trade will be carried along with all its contents.
Note that bins containing blocks and bars can become too heavy for most dwarves to move in one day, or if the distance is long enough, even a [[season]].

See [[stockpiles]] for more information on how things are organized with bins.

[[Category:Items]]

40d:Soap

2008-08-23T04:22:33Z

Eerr:

'''Soap''' is manufactured at the [[Alchemist's laboratory]] from animal [[tallow]] and [[lye]]. It appears to have no current use except as a [[trade]] item or to build constructs out of. It can become quite valuable as its value is multiplied both by the base 25 and the [MODVALUE:] of the creature whose fat it is made from. soap does not get a quality bonus.

to extract the value of certain megabeast tallow, cooking is less efficient, but much much easier.

Constructions made from bars of soap are white, and require the [[Masonry]] labor to build.

Value: 25

[[Category:Materials]]

40d:Soap

2008-08-23T04:13:22Z

Eerr:

'''Soap''' is manufactured at the [[Alchemist's laboratory]] from animal [[tallow]] and [[lye]]. It appears to have no current use except as a [[trade]] item or to build constructs out of. It can become quite valuable as its value is multiplied both by the base 25 and the [MODVALUE:] of the creature whose fat it is made from. soap does not get a quality bonus

Constructions made from bars of soap are white, and require the [[Masonry]] labor to build.

Value: 25

[[Category:Materials]]

40d:Lye

2008-08-23T04:01:43Z

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Lye is made with a [[Lye maker]] dwarf at an [[ashery]] and requires 1 [[ash]] and 1 bucket.
It is used to make [[soap]] or [[potash]], though potash can also be made directly from ash. 3 lye must be moved from the buckets into a barrel to make the soap.

'''Why make potash out of lye instead of ash?'''

*to train your dwarfs by making them do extra tasks
*if you have left over lye from making [[soap]]
*lye can be bought at the "embark" screen but ashes cannot

[[Category:Materials]]

40d:Lye

2008-08-23T03:57:12Z

Eerr:

Lye is made with a [[Lye maker]] dwarf at an [[ashery]] and requires 1 [[ash]] and 1 bucket. the lye must be moved from the buckets into a barrel to make soap

It is used to make [[soap]] or [[potash]], though potash can also be made directly from ash.

'''Why make potash out of lye instead of ash?'''

*to train your dwarfs by making them do extra tasks
*if you have left over lye from making [[soap]]
*lye can be bought at the "embark" screen but ashes cannot

[[Category:Materials]]

40d:Quarry bush

2008-08-22T22:35:22Z

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{{Crop|color=#999|seed_color=#FFF|character=♣|name=Quarry bush|seed=Rock nut|edible=No|cookable=No|alcohol=No|rarity=Common|spring=1|summer=1|autumn=1|habitat=Subterranean|uses=''
|other_products=
* [[Quarry bush leaves]] (Process to bag)
}}

The '''quarry bush''' is one of the six known subterranean crops, and as such it may only be grown underground. Quarry bush seeds are known as '''rock nuts'''. They can be planted in [[Spring]], [[Summer]] and [[Autumn]].

Quarry bushes may be processed at a [[farmer's workshop]] into [[bag]]s of quarry bush leaves, which then must be cooked at the [[kitchen]] to be edible. You will need an empty bag to be available for this task.

Processing quarry bushes will produce 5 quarry bush leaves for every plant in a given stack of quarry bushes. Cooking quarry bush leaves can result in up to 160 meals in a single stack of Prepared Food, thus saving space and barrels.

Rock nuts may be purchased on embark, assuming your dwarven homeland is well established.

Quarry bushes cannot be [[still|brewed]] into [[alcohol]].

*Grow time: 500
*Plant value: 4
*Leaf value: 5
*Seasons: Spring, Summer, and Autumn

==See Also==
*[[List of crops]]

[[Category:Indoor crops]]
[[Category:Spring crops]]
[[Category:Summer crops]]
[[Category:Autumn crops]]
[[Category:Non-brewable plants]]

40d:Immigration

2008-08-22T01:06:26Z

Eerr: /* How to influence the types of dwarves that immigrate */

'''Immigration''' can occur during any season. A '''migrant''' is a member of a wave of immigration.

Migrants will spawn at the edge of your local zone and move towards any meeting area that you have designated. If there is no meeting zone they will simply sit at the edge of the map until their "migrant" status fades and they find a job. Keep in mind that they can spawn on '''any''' open edge of the map, on any Z-axis; if there is no available path to your fortress, they will sit and wait until one is opened up or until they go crazy and die. Some players have reported that their migrants spawn in the middle of nowhere. This behaviour is a bug, though an entertaining one.

The total number of dwarves in your fort is limited to 200, but you can change this in the init file. It will take several years to reach this number, assuming you want to reach it at all. Once you reach the immigration limit, normal immigration will cease.

== When does Immigration usually occur? ==
If your dwarves are very industrious numbers would be helpful here, you can expect to receive ten or more migrants in the first immigration wave, which can occur in autumn or even in summer of your first year. Immigration does usually occur from mid-spring of the second year on.

Migrants seem to have a tendency to arrive in spring but can arrive in any season.

== How immigration is calculated ==
Immigration figures are based on your fortress's total "Created [[Wealth]]" (visible on the Status (['''z''']) screen once you get a [[bookkeeper]] with the [[appraiser]] skill). All objects with any value (including mined-out areas, bridges, and just about every kind of created good) will be included in the total. [[Artifact]]s are one of the largest influences of fortress wealth. Artifacts made of precious resources and heavily decorated can potentially double fortress wealth early in the game. Forbidden items however are not added to your wealth; it is unclear if they still influence immigration.

This created wealth will be witnessed and reported back to the world by the yearly dwarven [[caravan]].{{verify}} If the caravan dies before making it back to the dwarven capital (if they fail to make it off your map), then the previous caravan's report is used to determine this year's figures.{{verify}}. This is not the only factor that influences immigration though.

Immigration is rarely greater than 24 dwarves per wave, not including pets, kids and spouses.

=== How to influence the types of dwarves that immigrate ===
note that the greater the number of dwarven civilisations, the greater your ability to influence immigration.

The immigrants' skills/careers might be influenced by the type and number of workshops available, but also might be influenced by the population of the surviving dwarven civilizations.(similar to that goblins sometimes have humans in their armies, that were previously snatched from you!)

[[Soldiers]] will only arrive if you have made their type of weapon; if you make one battle axe, you will only get axedwarves. If you make a crossbow and a war hammer, you will get marksdwarves and hammerdwarves. This is not affected by weapons brought to your fort; getting immigrant carpenters won't let you get immigrant axedwarves. It is not known if the number of weapons created matters.

When you meet certain requirements in your outpost, like population or created wealth, some [[nobles]] will immigrate, like the [[Dungeon master]].

== What are the drawbacks to immigration? ==
Most of the time, immigration is a ''Good Thing,'' and the more, the merrier. More dwarves means more work gets done (especially hauling, since immigrants are basically peasants), more dwarves can be given "luxury" tasks like defending the fortress or making dyed cloth, and some nobles require a certain number of dwarves before they arrive. However, more dwarves also means more CPU cycles eaten up, especially if your fortress is already taxing on your computer.

Of course, additional dwarves also require additional bedrooms, workshops, and booze before they can be properly productive, and some players prefer to increase their population slowly to allow them to add the extra infrastructure at a more sedate pace.

== How can I curb immigration? ==
The easiest method to handle immigration is to alter the population cap in init.txt. You can first set it low and raise it as you see fit. Note that you may consider this to be cheating, and it also requires exiting the game each time you want more immigrants.

You can also make sure your fort does not produce or build much. Of course, this is not an especially interesting way to play the game. Since artifacts often account for most of your fortress' wealth, killing dwarves that enter [[strange mood]]s, or turning the moods off entirely in the init file, may be a better option. This can often be accomplished by making sure all your [[workshop]]s are in enclosed rooms, then locking the door on them until they go [[insane]], then starve to death. This has a drawback in that dwarves that do manage to produce an artifact often gain a desirable [[legendary]] [[skill]]. Lock the door at your own discretion.

You can also kill the immigrants themselves, deliberately or otherwise. Very large numbers of deaths at a fortress, from any cause, (exact number unknown) can cause all immigration (except nobles) to cease for a while: your fortress has gained a reputation as a deathtrap!

== Migrants in [[Fortress Mode]] ==
Migrants will enter at the edge of the map, in waves, heralded by an announcement. They will travel single file from this one location until the last one of this wave has arrived. The number in a wave has not been known to exceed 24. Migrants can arrive as early as summer of your first year. They seem to have a tendency to arrive in spring but can arrive in any season.

Migrants come with no skills at all (peasants), novice level of two or three skills from a single profession,or a (no adjective) level of a single [[skill]]. Migrants will sometimes bring their spouses, [[child]]ren, and even their [[pet]] [[animal]]s. Spouses may come as unskilled peasants.

== Migrants in [[Adventure Mode]] ==
Roving bands of migrants may be found on the world map. These migrants can be linked to any of the major civilizations found on the world. This includes [[goblin]]s and [[kobold]]s. Such bands will consist of non-specialized adults and children.

== Migration Effects on the World ==
It is possible for migration to change the population levels of settlements on the map over time, and to cause factions of a civilization to merge. This can be discovered through talking to individuals in Adventurer mode, and will subsequently show up in [[Legends mode]].

[[Category:Dwarves]]

{{Starting FAQ}}

40d Talk:Immigration

2008-08-22T01:04:42Z

Eerr: /* "Your fortress attracted no migrants this season." */

==Comments regarding new version==
Don't know how much of this info is still valid. For example, the line "Notably, the incredibly useful Manager requires at least twenty dwarves." is a hold-over from the previous wiki. In fact, most of the noble-related info is outdated.
I'm going to edit out anything that I ''know'' to be wrong. Get rid of the wrong stuff, and we can start getting correct stuff in instead.[[User:Thexor|Thexor]] 19:07, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:The validation abilities of the manager still only appear after you have 20 dwarfs. But you can access the screen before that happens. Don't know if this validation has any additional effect or if the managers even work before that.--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)

::Yes, the manager will work just fine when you have less than 20 dwarfs. He will need an office if you have more than 20 dwarfs.--[[User:Tomato|Tomato]] 16:13, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
==migration vs location on world map==
I have a nagging sense from playing a year or two in a few different areas that the number of migrants is a bit more random now. I have one decently wealthy young outpost located far from it's civilization on the map which has gotten very few immigrants in the first two years. Perhaps with groups now moving on the overall map, it is more important to be close to your civilization's area so immigrant groups arrive more quickly and are less likely to get ambushed on the way? Pure conjecture on my part and not backed by any real evidence, but an interesting idea nonetheless. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 16:15, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Well, my first throw-away fortress got gigantic immigration crowds every single season. Then I abandoned, rerolled the world, and started a new fortress. It produces worlds more wealth than my first fortress, but I have only gotten one immigration wave on the second Spring, bringing my numbers to 24. I then received my second immigration on the start of the third Spring, bringing me up to 48 dwarves. I was very worried up until I got that first wave in the spring... I almost thought I was going to have to scrap the fortress and start again. For reference, I receive elf, human, and dwarf traders. No sieges yet. I have no deaths so far. It would seem that the MAXIMUM immigration amount is 24 for one season. [[User:FFLaguna|FFLaguna]] 23:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::I've gotten 25 immigrants in one wave, but one of these was a child, which may ironically go into the 'pets' category rather than 'dwarf' category. Do children have parents when they come with immigrants? -Gotthard
::: I've had a family of four come in one wave-Husband and Wife and 2 children. The children were very sad when their mother got killed by a goblin. I also had a dwarf born from parents in my first immigration wave. Has anyone every had two dwarfs marry? Not arrive married but get married at your fort. Just wondering if it's possible. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 18:22, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::::With this latest version release (0.27.176.38a), dwarves can indeed marry each other at your fortress. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:19, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::Update: On the summer of my third year, I finally received some migrants! Woooo. I received about 12 immigrants. [[User:FFLaguna|FFLaguna]] 01:35, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

::Happend to me sometimes to, you have to wait for immigrants sometimes. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)
==clarification on editing ini file==
One point of conflict in this article. It states that once the immigration limit is reached normal immigration is ceased. It then encourages a method of editing the init file to curb immigration. It says to just reedit it when you want more dwarfs. In my findings when I use this tactic as soon as my limit is hit I get no more dwarfs, even after reediting the init file to a higher number.

The section where it says "A '''migrant''' is a member of a wave of immigration." is really obvious and there's no other information there. I think it should be removed, or at least made part of the general information. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]]

--[[User:Angus|Angus]] 18:17, 17 February 2008 (EST)
==Talk Page from Migrant==
This page should be merged with the page on immigration. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 01:47, 23 November 2007 (EST)
:Agreed, and done --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 08:28, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I felt this edited out info is worth keeping here as hint for further investigations.

=== Immigration Triggers ===

Migrants appear in waves when the total wealth of the fortress (view by hitting 'Z') reaches:

* 5,000
* 10,000
* 100,000
* 140,000
* 165,000 (?)
* 300,000
* 340,000

== Equipment ==

(This should probably go on the Migrant talk page, but this page seems to be busier)

Will an immigrant always arrive with the necessary equipment to perform his skills? ie, will a hunter always arrive with a crossbow, armour and bolts? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:08, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:nope, sometimes you get an immigrant who doesn't have the right equipment. (Had woodworkers with carpentry and wood cutting skills withouth an axe). --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:46, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::I think it depends a bit on how multi-skilled they are: if he had been a [[woodcutter]] he would have had an axe but as he was a woodworker... well, carpenters need a workshop not an axe.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 21:21, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Combat Immigrants ==

I have yet to have any of my immigrants to show up as military types, even though I've at least produced crossbows in every fort I've run so far. Had one fort reach it's 6th year and have crafted every type of weapon available without a single dwarf showing up with combat skills. Anyone verify that this is still true? --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 04:49, 19 November 2007 (EST)

You were just unlucky. I have forged some hammers and axes and a hammer and a axe soldier showed up at my fort [[Doler 12]], 18:11 19 November 2007 (GMT+1)

:Did you maybe create a military and train dwarves in hammers and axes? --[[User:Geekwad|Geekwad]] 14:19, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:: The one and only military migrant (a Marksdwarf) I got so far came after I had someone advance to Champion level. Is this just a coincidence or have other people noticed this? --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:44, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:::No. I made crossbows and got marksdwarves immigrants and my best soldier was a novice crossbowman. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 06:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Immigration Rate ==

Has anyone noticed there seems to be a logarithmic curve associated with immigration? In the beginning, it doesn't matter what I do to keep my wealth down (including only building 7 beds and a small wooden 'shack' to put them above ground, and not mining out any squares) I seem to get a ton of immigrants. However, going from 1.1M to 1.4M resulted in only 5 immigrants or so the whole year. Either there might be a 'minimum' baseline for forts (and 7 isn't it, seems closer to 25-40 or so, doesn't matter what your wealth is you will grow to that) or it is logarithmic. I don't think it is related to deaths in my large fortress, I've had one elite marksdwarf die to a hydra, and 6-7 more (in 6 years) to goblins, moods, etc. I don't have the economy, perhaps this slows it down around 100? --Gotthard 11:18, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:Heh, I'm about to test that: my first winter killed six of my dwarves so we'll see how many migrants I get. I'm currently outnumbered by dogs about 10:1... unfortunately I also lost my only mare so I've got two male horses, may as well kill both of them as soon as I need a quick snack! [[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:05, 11 January 2008 (EST)

== Military immigrants without weapons ==

I started a game with just one dwarf. The first immigration wave, in the next spring, I got a recruit as one of my immigrants. This recruit had NO military skills, and no armor or weapons. What confuses me is that I had never created any weapons. The only remotely military thing I ever made was a single leather armor. If it matters, I hadn't created hardly anything else before that point either--a bed, basic furniture, less than ten stone crafts, no cooking, and that armor. Anyone else seen this? It throws a kink into the "weapons bring military dwarves" thing. Oh, and I also have pits as a feature in this map if it matters (as yet unrevealed). --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 09:28, 12 January 2008 (EST)
: Did the recruit have any skills? Otherwise he's basically the same as a peasant. How many dwarfs were in your military at the time. That might also have been a factor. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:47, 19 February 2008 (EST)

== Seasons and Immigration ==

I've had immigrants arrive in spring, summer and fall but never winter. Has anyone had immigrants arrive in winter? Or does whether immigrants arrive in winter depend on your fort's climate? [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 22:45, 29 January 2008 (EST)
: I just had a group of dwarves migrate during winter right after reading this. I am in a warm climate though. What was strange was in the following Summer I had another wave of migrants. Two in one year. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:49, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::Multiple waves of immigration isn't unusual, I often get migrants in both autumn AND spring.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 21:19, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
== Headline text ==

Currently, my record is 32 dwarfs, 8 kids and pets. anybody else beaten that?
--[[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 07:36, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, if you are sure of that, you should add it to the article. While most people seem to get smth like 20 to 25 ( my max being 19+pets), no one knows if ther's a limit and how high it is, so.. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:52, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

::i regularly get 24 exactly, but on a few cases ive gotten more, most being 28, with lots of kids -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:28, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

== Strange stuff ==

Once I had a leatherworker who came onto the map and as soon as he appeared, there was a message
'dwarf has been possessed'
Strange, has this happenedto any once? Was he possessed before he came to my Fortress? --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 16:20, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

:That once happened to someone in the 2D version... tis quite simple. When a fey mood occurs, a random dwarf gets it. As it so happened, this dwarf had recently immigrated to your fortress. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:37, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

::Interesting, can't say I've come across that particular bug, although I did come across an item with no name! It was just called a "Large ." --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:20, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:::It isn't a bug. The fey immigrant, not the "Large ." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:10, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Lone Dwarf ==

"A migrant has arrived."
For some reason I only got one migrant this time! Weird! --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:28, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Migrant caps ==

The cap is set in my init.txt file as 200, but in one of my fortresses I got well over 200 (something like 225). Is there anything that could cause this other than a straight-up glitch? --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 23:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

:The population cap is only checked to see if another migrant wave is allowed. It is entirely possible, often likely, that the actual number of migrants in the wave pushes the population over the value set. IIRC, pregnancies will also bypass the cap. The softness of this limit is a well known... feature... :) --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 00:13, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Migrant skills ==

Does the amount of workshops you have for a skill affect how many immigrants have that skill? I've had no dyer's shop for a really long time, and I notice I have only one dyer, whereas I have plenty of dwarves with every other skill. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 21:19, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
: I don't think so, because I always get hordes of dyers, cheese makers, and woodburners, even when I don't have any of the appropriate workshops. I really miss the days of getting miners, siege operators, growers, and masons.--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 16:59, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

== "Your fortress attracted no migrants this season." ==

I'm playing a Haunted fortress on a volcano for the first time, and I got this message in my first summer. It seemed odd because I almost never get migrants during the first summer, but this is the first time that fact was announced. Is this a tweak in the new version (181.40c), which I just downloaded today, or is it because I'm in a haunted map? I got the message again in the fall. --[[User:Ookpik|Ookpik]] 17:05, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
:lots of people dying discourages immigration, as well as certain import/export/mining and immigration map factors, as far as i can tell.--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 21:04, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Immigration

2008-08-22T01:02:53Z

Eerr:

40d:Gem

2008-08-22T00:57:36Z

Eerr: /* Rare Gems */

Small clusters of rough '''gems''' can be found strewn throughout the mountain. '''Cut gems''' can be used to [[encrust]] [[furniture]], [[crafts]], [[weapon]]s, [[armor]] and [[ammunition]], to create [[window]]s and as a source material for [[legendary artifact|legendary artifacts]]. In addition, raw rock crystals are required to make crystal glass goods. '''Large gems''' are a byproduct of cutting and can not be processed further. They have a high base value for an item(10x) and can easily reach hundreds, even thousands depending on the gem. Artifact large gems made from precious jewels will go for around 50,000.

== Value ==

Gems have base [[item values|value]] of 3 in rough form, which is multiplied by the appropriate value modifier from the table below. They gain value after they are cut in a [[jeweler's workshop]]. Cut gems have a base value of 5. Items can be decorated (encrusted) with cut gems; all such decorations have a value of 10 times the gem type's value multiplier. See [[Gem cutting]] and [[Gem setting]]. Large gems have a base value of 10.

== Varieties ==

Gems come in many varieties, with their own color and value multipliers:

=== ''Ornamental'' ===
{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|-
! Gem name
! Value
! Color
! Found where
! Found how
|-
|onyx||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|morion||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|schorl||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|lace agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|blue jade||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||Alluvial|| Small clusters
|-
|lapis lazuli||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||Igneous intrusive, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|prase||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|prase opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|bloodstone||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|moss agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|moss opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|variscite||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Bauxite|| Small clusters
|-
|chrysoprase||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0f0|#0f0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|chrysocolla||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||Malachite, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|sard||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|carnelian||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|banded agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|sardonyx||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|cherry opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|lavendar jade||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a0a|#a0a}}||Alluvial|| Small clusters
|-
|pink jade||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||Alluvial|| Small clusters
|-
|tube agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|fire agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|plume agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|brown jasper||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|picture jasper||3×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|smoky quartz||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|wax opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|wood opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|amber opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|gold opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|citrine||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|yellow jasper||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|tigereye||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|tiger iron||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|sunstone||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Basalt, Gneiss|| Small clusters
|-
|resin opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|pyrite||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|clear tourmaline||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|gray chalcedony||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|dendritic agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|shell opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|bone opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|white chalcedony||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|fortification agate||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|milk quartz||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|moonstone||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Metamorphic|| Small clusters
|-
|white jade||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Alluvial|| Small clusters
|-
|jasper opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|pineapple opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|onyx opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|milk opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|pipe opal||10×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|aventurine||3×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Sedimentary|| Small clusters
|-
|turquoise||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||Igneous extrusive, Kaolinite, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|rose quartz||3×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|rock crystal||2×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|}

=== ''Semi-Precious'' ===
{|
|-
! Gem name
! Value
! Color
! Found where
! Found how
|-
|black zircon||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||All Igneous, Metamorphic|| Small clusters
|-
|black pyrope||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||Metamorphic, Kimberlite|| Small clusters
|-
|melanite||15×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|indigo tourmaline||25×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00a|#00a}}||Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|blue garnet||30×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00a|#00a}}||Metamorphic, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|tsavorite||30×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|green tourmaline||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|demantoid||30×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Chromite|| Small clusters
|-
|green zircon||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||All Igneous, Metamorphic|| Small clusters
|-
|green jade||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0f0|#0f0}}||Alluvial|| Small clusters
|-
|heliodor||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0f0|#0f0}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|peridot||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0f0|#0f0}}||Gabbro|| Small clusters
|-
|red zircon||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||All Igneous, Metamorphic|| Small clusters
|-
|red tourmaline||15×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|red pyrope||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Metamorphic, Kimberlite|| Small clusters
|-
|almandine||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro|| Small clusters
|-
|red grossular||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|pink tourmaline||15×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||Metamorphic, Sedimentary, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|red beryl||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|fire opal||15×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|rhodolite||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a0a|#a0a}}||Metamorphic, Kimberlite|| Small clusters
|-
|purple spinel||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a0a|#a0a}}||Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro|| Small clusters
|-
|alexandrite||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|tanzanite||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||Gabbro|| Small clusters
|-
|morganite||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|violet spessartine||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||Metamorphic, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|pink garnet||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||Metamorphic, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|kunzite||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|cinnamon grossular||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|honey yellow beryl||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|jelly opal||15×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|brown zircon||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||All Igneous, Metamorphic|| Small clusters
|-
|yellow zircon||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||All Igneous, Metamorphic|| Small clusters
|-
|golden beryl||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|yellow spessartine||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Metamorphic, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|topaz||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|topazolite||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|yellow grossular||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|rubicelle||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro|| Small clusters
|-
|clear garnet||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Metamorphic, Granite|| Small clusters
|-
|goshenite||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|cat's eye||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|clear zircon||25×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All Igneous, Metamorphic|| Small clusters
|-
|amethyst||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f0f|#f0f}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|aquamarine||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||Granite, Schist, Marble, Rhyolite|| Small clusters
|-
|red spinel||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Metamorphic, Diorite, Gabbro|| Small clusters
|-
|chrysoberyl||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0f0|#0f0}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|precious fire opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|red flash opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|black opal||30×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|white opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|crystal opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|claro opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|levin opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|harlequin opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|pinfire opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|bandfire opal||20×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||All stone|| Small clusters
|-
|light yellow diamond||30×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Kimberlite|| Small clusters
|-
|}

=== ''Precious'' ===
{|
|-
! Gem name
! Value
! Color
! Found where
! Found how
|-
|faint yellow diamond||40×||{{Raw Tile|@|#aa0|#aa0}}||Kimberlite|| Small clusters
|-
|emerald||40×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Granite, Schist, Marble|| Small clusters
|-
|ruby||40×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Bauxite|| Small clusters
|-
|sapphire||40×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00a|#00a}}||Bauxite|| Small clusters
|-
|}

=== ''Rare'' ===
{|
|-
! Gem name
! Value
! Color
! Found where
! Found how
|-
|clear diamond||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#fff|#fff}}||Faint yellow diamonds|| Single gem
|-
|red diamond||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#a00|#a00}}||Faint yellow diamonds|| Single gem
|-
|green diamond||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#0a0|#0a0}}||Faint yellow diamonds|| Single gem
|-
|blue diamond||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00a|#00a}}||Faint yellow diamonds|| Single gem
|-
|yellow diamond||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#ff0|#ff0}}||Faint yellow diamonds|| Single gem
|-
|black diamond||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#888|#888}}||Faint yellow diamonds|| Single gem
|-
|star sapphire||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#00f|#00f}}||Sapphire|| Single gem
|-
|star ruby||60×||{{Raw Tile|@|#f00|#f00}}||Ruby|| Single gem
|}

Unlike other gems, diamonds can [[ignite]] if they come into contact with [[magma]].

== Rare Gems ==
Faint yellow diamonds only appear in [[kimberlite]] (which itself only appears in [[gabbro]] layers) and sapphires and rubies only appear in [[bauxite]] (which occurs in any sedimentary layers). Colored diamonds only occur in pre-existing clusters of faint yellow diamonds. star sapphires and rubies only occur within clusters of their peers.

== [[Glass]] ==

{| style="border-spacing: 0"
|-
! Gem name
! Value
! Color
! Requires
|-
|green glass||2×||{{Raw Tile|■|#0a0|#000}}||[[bag]] full of [[sand]]
|-
|clear glass||5×||{{Raw Tile|■|#0aa|#000}}||[[bag]] full of [[sand]] + [[pearlash]]
|-
|crystal glass||10×||{{Raw Tile|■|#fff|#000}}||rough rock crystal + [[pearlash]]
|}

Like working [[metal]], making glass requires [[fuel]], either [[coke]] or [[charcoal]] at a normal glass furnace, or [[magma]] at a magma [[glass furnace]].

Glass has other uses than as a mere gem, as glass can be used as (a rather odd looking) stone for most buildings, such as Tables or Doors. In addition, Glass can be converted into [[Trap]] components, such as large, spiked balls or giant axes. Glass trap components have the same weapon damage as wood or silver (50%).

Glass windows can be made at a glass furnace as an alternative to making windows from gems.

Outside of Metal and Wood, Glass is the only readily available material to create Cages out of, as well.

[[Category:Materials]]

Sedimentary

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#REDIRECT [[Sedimentary layer]]

40d:Soil

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Soil is the name for the various kinds of ground that can be planted on without [[irrigation]] using [[water]].

{| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" border="1" cellpadding="5"
|-

|-
! Name
! Tile

|-
|Clay||{{Raw Tile|▓|#800000|#808000}}
|-
|Silty Clay||{{Raw Tile|▓|#800000|#c0c0c0}}
|-
|Sandy Clay||{{Raw Tile|▒|#800000|#808000}}
|-
|Clay Loam||{{Raw Tile|▒|#800000|#c0c0c0}}
|-
|Sandy Clay Loam||{{Raw Tile|░|#800000|#808000}}
|-
|Silty Clay Loam||{{Raw Tile|░|#800000|#c0c0c0}}
|-
|Loam||{{Raw Tile|░|#808000|#c0c0c0}}
|-
|Sandy Loam||{{Raw Tile|░|#ffff00|#808000}}
|-
|Silt Loam||{{Raw Tile|▒|#808000|#c0c0c0}}
|-
|Loamy Sand||{{Raw Tile|▒|#ffff00|#808000}}
|-
|Silt||{{Raw Tile|▓|#808000|#c0c0c0}}
|-
|Tan Sand||{{Raw Tile|≈|#ffff00|#800000}}
|-
|Yellow Sand||{{Raw Tile|≈|#ffff00|#808000}}
|-
|White Sand||{{Raw Tile|≈|#ffffff|#808000}}
|-
|Black Sand||{{Raw Tile|≈|#808080|#808000}}
|-
|Red Sand||{{Raw Tile|≈|#ff0000|#800000}}
|-
|Peat||{{Raw Tile|≈|#808080|#808000}}
|-
|Pelagic Clay||{{Raw Tile|░|#800000|#808000}}
|-
|Calcareous Ooze||{{Raw Tile|▒|#800000|#c0c0c0}}
|-
|Siliceous Ooze||{{Raw Tile|▒|#800000|#c0c0c0}}

|}

When starting a new fortress, types and quantities of available soils are listed at the bottom right of the fortress location selection screen. In contrast to rock types, soil type names appear in the same shade of brown as farm plots, and are usually closest to the top of the list, and thus, closest to the surface of the ground. 

Note, however, that you may only plant cave flora if the tile is marked "Indoors." To check this, go to the tile in {{k|k}} mode. 

Digging into soil does not generate any byproduct materials, unlike digging in rock, which makes it much easier to create storerooms and other large areas of empty space.

Soil cannot be smoothed, so it can be difficult to make high value rooms, or pierce aquifers. Also, since soil cannot be smoothed, soil cannot be used to make fortifications.

The only minerals that can be found in soil are [[gold nuggets|gold]], [[Aluminum]], [[cassiterite]], and [[platinum nuggets|platinum]].

[[Category:Map tiles]]

Talk:Main Page/archive2

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Order descends newest to oldest. Use edit to add a newer section.

== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version.

That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Russian Interwiki ==
I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==
Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==
Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==
Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Version updates ==
There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄<totalquotenum>, so I don't think it's really needed.

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==
It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== German Translation ==
I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==
Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)
:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==
What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? ==
Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

== Demystify messages? ==
Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==
What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==
I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Change guide? ==
Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)
::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
::*The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

40d:Block

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A '''Block''' is a material shaped into a block. [[Stone]] and [[wood]] can be shaped into blocks at the [[Mason's workshop]] or [[Carpenter's workshop]]. Glass blocks can be made at the [[Glass Furnace]], and metal blocks can be made at the [[forge]].

Blocks are required to make [[well]]s, [[pump]]s, and are used when constructing an [[ashery]]. They can also be used in place of raw stone or wood in [[roads]] and other major constructions (but not in items like crafts or furniture), but the difference is purely in the value. A pillar made out of normal stones is called a rough pillar.

Blocks, unlike raw stone or wood, can stack in [[bin]]s in bar/block [[stockpile]]s.

A block has a [[Item value|value]] of 5 times the multiplier for the material it is made out of. A block made out of pine wood (multiplier of 1☼) has a value of 5☼. A block made out of obsidian (multiplier of 3☼) has a value of 15☼. Blocks do not have quality levels.

Blocks are sometimes used as materials during strange moods

40d:Magnetite

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{{Ore|name=Magnetite|tile=~|color=#888
|uses =
* [[Ore]] of [[iron]]
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as large clusters
|properties =
* [[Economic stone]]
* [[Material value]] 8
* Contains [[native platinum|platinum]] veins
}}
'''Magnetite''' ore can be smelted at a [[smelter]] by a dwarf with the [[furnace operating]] labor activated to produce [[iron]] bars.
It is, for all metalsmithing purposes, identical to [[hematite]].

Magnetite is one of only 3 types of stones that can contain [[platinum nuggets]]. It is also the only ore to occur as a large clusters of around 600 stone.

== Magnetite and real world geology ==

Although Magnetite seems to have no special properties at this time in Dwarf Fortress it is reasonable to assume that some have been contemplated. In real word geology magnetite is the most magnetic of all the naturally occurring minerals. For further reference see Wikipedia's article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetite Magnetite ]

[[Category:Ore]]
[[Category:Stone]]
[[Category:Economic Stone]]
[[Category:Sedimentary Stone Layers]]

40d:Slate

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{{Stone_layer|name=Slate|tile=%|color=#888|basic_color=#888
|properties=
* [[Metamorphic layer]]
* [[Material value]] 1
|contains=
{{list|metamorphic ore}}
* Cinnabar
{{list|metamorphic stone}}
{{list|metamorphic gem}}
[Moonstone]
}}

[[Category:Stone]]
[[Category:Metamorphic Stone Layers]]