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40d Talk:Trap

2008-09-20T17:35:11Z

FruityBix: Stop dwarves from automaticaly cleaning traps and getting killed.

== Cage traps clarification ==

I think I know the answer, but are ANY sort of cages suitable for trapping any kind of invading monster (except those that evade traps altogether, such as kobalds). The page mentions a glass trap catching a colossus, but will that also apply to a rickety wooden trap? I haven't produced any glass. --[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 06:18, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
:Yes. I've had a bronze colossus trapped in an Ashen Cage before. I don't think creatures care what you trap them in.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:59, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

== cage traps for food ==
Couldn't one generate a mild supplementary food source by putting cage traps out on the map at random? Or create rows of them to catch aggressive creatures that are chasing down a fleeing dwarf. The ability to place them on the surface has some interesting possibilities. [[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 04:45, 4 November 2007 (EST)

: You can really do this with any kind of trap now - I built a 1 tile wide stair/corridor up an exposed cliff face, and as I was concerned about goblins and the like I stonefall-trapped it. Ever since then some of the local wildlife has used it to get up and down the 5 z-level cliff, with predictable and hilarious results. The goats just die, but the marmots are hurled off the cliff face to splatter on the ground below. It's a nice easy meat/leather/fat source, as well as being entertaining "Dwarfy McDwarf cancels reload stone trap - interrupted by (flying) hoary marmot" [[User:Acama|Acama]] 19:48, 20 December 2007 (EST)

==berserk dwarves==
Will berserk dwarves set off pressure plates? Toady mentioned he was going to stop that from happening [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:39, 4 November 2007 (EST)

On a possibly related note, pets CAN set off traps. Although in my experience the pet has to be falling unconscious to do so. [[User:Anonymousphrase|Anonymousphrase]] 22:43, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

[[image:Pet_setting_off_trap.png]]

It may also be the case that you can also get pets killed by a trap if they're in the square when a hostile sets off the trap. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 12:42, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

==flooding a spiked pit==
Will flooding a spiked pit break or cancel the spike trap? I'd test this, but I don't have the channel dug in yet. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:30, 5 November 2007 (EST)
:confirmed that flooding doesn't affect spear/spike traps. [[User:YayTheDwarves|YayTheDwarves]] 17:52, 6 January 2008 (EST)

I'm pretty sure the "corpse stuck in trap" chance is 50%, according to Toady either on IRC or some forgotten forum post a few months back. I really can't remember for sure. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 02:31, 10 November 2007 (EST)

==cage traps/ fire imps==
I've secured the entries oy my magma furnaces with cage traps, but it seems that the fire imps just walk through.
Just as the Giant moles did. How so? --[[User:Doub|Doub]]
:supposedly there is a bug that causes any creatures on the map when it is generated to count as residents, and thus know where your traps are and not trigger them. I've never run into the problem myself, but I've never specifically tested for it so I can't really say for sure if it still exists (or ever did). --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 07:41, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:I had read about this and tried it out with a trapped coridoor next to my magma vent - an imp I tempted out walked right through 4 cage traps and 4 stonefall traps without triggering them. Seems like indigenous life is currently trap-immune. Most magma creatures can be dealt with by a few marksdwarves though, so you're only in serious trouble if you have a herd of skeletal hippos on your map on embark.--[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 15:42, 19 January 2008 (EST)
::There's always the menacing spike + lever combo. And pits. [[User:Benitosimies|Benitosimies]] 16:08, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::I've killed fire imps and magmamen with stone fall traps --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 01:20, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
:I've caught native fire imps in cage traps loaded with green glass terrariums. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 21:42, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

==Trolls and Cages==
I'm planning on making the only passage to my fortress filled with cage traps, but I'm not sure if dwarves going out and migrants and traders coming in will be affected by them. Does anyone know? Also, do trolls smash goblin cages? [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] 21:41, 23 January 2008 (EST)
:Only hostile units will trigger traps. Trolls only smash buildings and after a goblin is captured the cage is not built. So the answer to your second question is no. --[[User:Karlito|Karlito]] 21:45, 23 January 2008 (EST)
::Make sure to forbid the traps when the siege starts. Otherwise your dwarves will rush out to reload them and store all the cages. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 22:53, 23 January 2008 (EST)

==Thieves and trap avoidance==
Is it possible that Kobold thieves/Goblin master thieves can also trigger traps? I think I killed one and caged another master thief in the past. Maybe the quality of the mechanism is important here? --[[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC+1)

:goblin thieves, both regular and master, have always triggered traps -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:18, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

::So why does the article then say "Sneaking enemies do not trigger traps"? Goblin master thieves seem very sneaky to me. --[[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 20:33 17 March 2008 (UTC+1)

:::once goblin thieves are revealed they are captured fine. even revealed kobolds dont trigger. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 15:45, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::: At least "normal" goblin thieves are scewered fine without being detected, says my weapon trap --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 16:58, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::: I have to agree with Koltom, I got an "Ambush" event when a goblin (master) thief went into a cage trap, and had another one cut to pieces by a serrated disc, which I only noticed when suddenly all my dwarves rushed off to remove his clothes. --[[User Quertyu|Qwertyu]] 13:31 (UTC+1)
:::: Weapon traps apparently have a chance of friendly fire. At least, that's what the ghost of my Kitten(tame) told me... [[User:QMarx|QMarx]] 18:48, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

== Crossbow Trap? ==

How does a crossbow trap work? Does it have line of sight, like a Dwarf? {{Unsigned|Lordmick134}}

Ranged weapons in weapon traps work much the same as melee weapons do, attacking the creature which triggered the trap. The only real difference in functionality seems to be that they require and use up appropriate ammunition, and (according to the article) do not get occasionally stuck and need cleaning like melee weapons in a weapon trap do. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 21:31, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== Trapping cave dwellers ==

Has anyone sucessfully caged a cave dwelling megabeast? I have tried on two seperate maps to capture a minotaur and an ettin, both times the monster just run right through the cage traps. Perhaps creatures that are spawned on embark are bugged immune to traps?

as said above, some creatures that spawn on the map dont seem to be caught in traps. however, i successfully caught and with the dugeon master, tamed, a giant cave spider that was living in my chasm. I designated it as available for a pet. a legendary engraver adopted it, so i drafted him and am training him up now. hopefully the giant cave spider that now follows him everywhere will be happy to defend its owner against goblins. megabeasts that spawn and attack you can be caged, in fact, its the easiest way by far to deal with them. some, like dragons can then be tamed. im assuming your etin and minotaur fall under the aforementioned bug... try a later game version. --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 13:04, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

==Weapon Trap Jamming==
The page says crossbow weapon traps don't jam, but what about a trap with a crossbow and a melee weapon? Does the crossbow still fire if the trap jams? Or does a trap have to be pure crossbows to avoid jamming? --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 01:21, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

== Trap betrayals? ==

Has anyone else been betrayed by their own traps? I had a dog and a crossbowman killed by weapons traps. Serrated iron disks ripped through their bodies like the bloody tusks of enraged elephants.

Correction. A dog, a crossbowman, and a miner. Will the slaughter never end?--[[User:Amenos42|Amenos42]] 12:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed that traps tend to fire on people/animals with injuries. They've killed lots of 3 legged dogs for me, and a soldier that was dragging himself off the field.

: Traps will (also) trip for any and all unconscious individuals. That may be or be one of the reasons. [[User:Drawf irons|Drawf irons]] 20:53, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

::Does that include dead individuals? And is it possible to get my dead dog out of his cage? --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 01:32, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

:::Mark it for dumping? That's usually the solution as to how to get anything out of anywhere! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 09:34, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Cage Trap Question ==

I recently received the message that there was a goblin snatcher in my fortress. It zoomed the page to one of the 3 cage traps. I took the game off pause and it gave me the same message again. Now I have two cave traps sprung, and when I press "k" and go over them, one says : "goblin cage (Larch)" and the other says "Goblin cage(nickel)". Does this mean I have successfully caught the scoundrels? Or are they still at large?

:If there is a flashing 'g' then yes, if no than It could be possibly a bug.[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:25, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Stone Fall Update: Watch Out!! ==

This is as of release '''0.28.181.39f''': in the past hour I saw two of my own dwarves - both normal healthy members of society - get killed in two different stone fall traps I'd had set up. Clearly, the old rule that dwarves are immune to their own traps is no longer entirely accurate...unless there's a bug going on here? Has anyone else fallen prey to this occurrence? [[User:Grand marquis|Grand marquis]] 06:31, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

:See two sections up. :P Anything unconscious will trigger traps currently - did those dwarves fall asleep on the trap square maybe? I've changed the section on triggering traps, so it gives at least a little hint that backfiring is now possible! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 09:33, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Room of Spiky Death ==
Alright, after a long, long time, I finally got myself a gross(144) of menacing green glass spikes. I'm planning to put them in airlock area of my castle, so that I can trap the goblins who have been annoying me and spike them to death. Each trap will use ten spikes, and there are 14 of them. There's an animal planted as bait, and once I raise both draw bridges, there's no way out. Can anyone tell me if there is something I should know before embarking on this death spree? -[[User:Cypress|Cypress]] 14:47, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Be prepared for blood. lots and lots of blood. also, it will be awesome.--[[User:Jackrabbit|Jackrabbit]] 00:56, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

== Stop dwarves from automaticaly cleaning traps and getting killed. ==

its in the title. first big siege comes in, hits the first line of traps in my entry hall of death, and then half the fortress runs out en mass to clean them, getting killed by the goblins in front and the ballista bolts from behind. they also block my military from getting past. this is agonizing! children, peasants, legendary craftsdwarves and nobles all are susceptible. aaaaarrrrrrggh!

40d Talk:Trap

2008-09-20T17:04:07Z

FruityBix: /* Trapping cave dwellers */

40d Talk:Engraving

2008-09-20T09:45:21Z

FruityBix: /* Types of stone */

I started a general page on engraving, mostly to point out that it appears possible to smooth tiles containing ore, since they have been placed in the category of stone now. Haven't tried it on gems, but I'm quite giddy about being able to make an aesthetically pleasing fortress in the middle of an ore vein finally.

:Yes, ore is now exactly the same as regular stone, so it can be smoothed just fine. Make for MUCH nicer fort designs then before. I am not 100% sure but I think gems work the same way too. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 03:49, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Note also that rewalling allows for even more aesthetic possibility. And you can extract the ore or gem from a wall and then rebuild it with less useful material.
:Except you can't engrave rewalls. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 17:10, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

::Actually, you can - I did it accidentally when I was smoothing out a plateau for one of my round towers (the fort was called that, might as well put some round towers in :P). Also added in a channel and they did their job before the lazy engraver could haul his arse to do his. In time, I put up a rewall and came back later to find the top of my rewall engraved with blazing suns, dwarves etc. Kinda confused me when I first saw it tho --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 09:57, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Did you construct these rewalls on top of an engraved floor? That gives the walls the appearance of engraving, but I don't know if it counts as an engraved wall for room value purposes. --[[User:zombiejustice|zombiejustice]] 00:41 2 June 2008 (CDT)

I hit {{K|k}} and everything, looked at my wall, and all it said was "Detailed Obsidian Wall." It doesn't work when I make the walls look like regular walls with lines on them or when I make them have the funky little symbols. My fortress is quite young, but I heard that the engraver can just use his imagination and stuff. What's wrong? --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 19:55, 14 November 2007 (EST)
:Hit {{K|k}} and then hit {{K|Enter}}.

Does the type of stone affect Dwarf happiness? Are they happier if their room contains a golden engraved wall? Or even a granite one? And what about the floor? I've just cleaned out a gold vein and I'm thinking about rewalling it into a dinning hall to take advantage of the gold floor. --[[User:Malenfant|Malenfant]] 11:34, 26 November 2007 (EST)
:[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000691 Draxxalon's study] suggests that the stone does have an effect. --[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 22:24, 12 December 2007 (EST)

I'm doing a little studying on the architecture value of smoothing/engraving for the current tournament. As far as I can tell, a smoothed wall is worth 8 monies, a smoothed floor is worth 6 monies, and the base value of an engraving is 10 (so an *engraving* is worth 40). The value *DOES NOT* depend on the type of stone, you get the same bonuses even if you smooth/engrave ore. And of course while engravings do have quality, smoothing does not. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 17:20, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

:At one point I noticed a tiny room had an astronomical rent value - turns out the walls were native aluminum (that the game never announced for some reason, and i'd smoothed them without noticing). I mined out the ore and rewalled and the rent dropped substantially. So I'd say ore value matters quite a bit, at least for walls --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 17:10, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

::Had same thing but with gem floor. About 5 tiles of some x10 value gem floor increased rent from ~2300 (minor noble room) to ~8000. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 15:10, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

== Quality engravings tell more history ==

When I had my dwarves engrave the history in my story I wrote earlier, they weren't very skilled at engraving. Though my entire fortress had been burnt up by spirits of fire and attacked by goblins a couple years back, only two of thirty engravings depicted a demon and had a story along with it. There were about thirty engravings done, and only three were well-crafted. The three well-crafted included the two about demons, and one that had a fact about my mayor being elected in 1051. The rest, which were normal quality were of pointless designs and creatures never encountered. Quality plays a major role in what is shown in the engraving. I'll add a section about this, does someone know if higher qualities like masterful depict even more?--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 16:51, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
:I have no desire to savescum and abandon, but I do find that generic dwarf enrgavings tend to be less quality. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:10, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
::I checked it out a few times, there's no difference in the history of masterful engravings then there were in well-crafted ones. The only exception is unskillful engravings, they don't tell anything. So it's confirmed then. --[[User:Richards|Richards]] 08:42, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

== Types of stone ==
I'm pressing {{K|d}} then {{K|e}} and selecting an area, then pressing {{K|Enter}}. But it's not seeming to do anything in most bits of my fortress. (I find this with smoothing as well.) Could this be because they're mudstone? Does engraving only work in certain types of rock? It'd be good to clarify this somewhere. --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 08:28, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

alex: you need to smooth the surface first. currently any stone surface can be engraved. first you smooth it from a rough stone surface with d then s first, then designate it for engraving after it is nice and flat. confused me on my very first fort also. --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 05:45, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Engraving Constructed Walls ==

Why can't constructed walls/floors be designated for engraving? Has Toady said anything specific about this, or is it just something we have to deal with? --[[User:Rakankou|Rakankou]] 00:15, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
:Have you tried smoothing them first? I think they have to be smoothed first, they also must be made out of stone. [[User:Magikarcher|Magikarcher]] 02:13, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
::Constructed walls also can't be designated for smoothing. --[[User:Rakankou|Rakankou]] 03:39, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

== Toggled engravings differentiation ==

I noticed in a previous fort (in a previous version) that engraved walls, once I'd toggled off their display, were a different shade to the ones that had only been smoothed. I believe it was smoothed basalt (dark grey), and the engravings were lighter - either mid-grey or white. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 09:15, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
:Yes, I've seen the same thing. Smoothed and Engraved got the same tile, some foreground, different background. Smoothed siltstone was dark brown on black, and hidden-engravings on siltstone was dark brown on grey -- the same grey background as the non-hidden engravings got. --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 03:21, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-09-10T15:53:41Z

FruityBix: /* Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort and i used it to create a gear assembly in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-09-10T15:51:26Z

FruityBix: /* Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort, made of obsidian and around 10 other things, and with a very long and suitably epic name. i used it to create a gear mechanism in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

40d:Known bugs and issues

2008-09-05T09:19:46Z

FruityBix: /* Legendary Wagon (I'm serious) */

== History of fixes ==

This information has not been updated since version v0.27.169.33g.{{version|0.28.181.39e}} An up-to-date log of all fixes to the game can be obtained from the Dwarf Fortress [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html Recent Developments] page or its [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.rss RSS feed].

=== v0.27.169.33g ===

* 12/21/2007:
** Made human pack animals arrive with trade goods properly
** Fixed problem that caused some entities to not use feature materials properly
** Stopped premature starts on mood construction
** Restricted glass requests for moods
** Fixed problem with constructions and subterranean designations
** Changed order of item types on stocks screen
** Fixed problem with stuck soldiers after [[wrestling]] practice
* 12/20/2007: Updated the bring-to-depot interface
* 12/19/2007:
** Made dead ambushers show up on the unit screen
** Displayed region folder above game type choices
** Added init option for pause on load
** Allowed embark rectangle to be 2x2
** Allowed embark rectangle size to be set in init
** Made cage/chain lists show relevant building picture instead of a C
** Disallowed certain predators from the intro text
** Tweaked stuck-in removal text
** Gave occupied cage items/buildings different name text
** Made contained trade items fill out the container
** Made world generation results independent of custom name
** Fixed problem with glaciers melting on load
* 12/18/2007:
** Changed priorities of idle designations
** Changed vermin/pet names in stocks screen
** Changed leader text in status screen
* 12/17/2007:
** Updated embark race name to support non-dwarves.
** Fixed gem typo on stocks screen.

=== v0.27.169.33f ===

* 12/14/2007: Made items that are thrown or shot in dwarf mode forbidden, sped up freezing water checks, made various types of items capable of destruction by fire, fixed a burn lag issue, fixed problem that made invader AI turn off, stopped full goblin armies from attacking smaller sites, fixed conflict with migrant projectiles and stranded item code
* 12/13/2007: Changed how tree line works, corrected idler count vs. meetings, stopped wells/grates/hatches from being built in walls and other obstacles, sped up region information collector, allowed magma buildings to be built after discovering endgame areas, disable mud/blood spreading, made wagon start in selected biome if possible, stopped elves from being pleased with unethical trades, allowed more item types to hauled to the depot, made caravan items respect thread/cloth information for bags and other items, stopped wagon pullers that are also pack animals from being loaded with trade goods, homogenized pullers of a given wagon, stopped production jobs from using dump/melt designated objects, fixed a possible problem with rot locations, cleaned up some of the eat/get provisions code, made ocean waves drop salt water, made silk more susceptible to fire damage, consolidated some map event code, fixed problem with food item descriptions, fixed food ingredient value calculation
* 12/12/2007: Fixed laced typo, made engravings go away properly upon channel and other dig jobs, handled snow etc. versus construction removal, stopped cancelled smoothing jobs from undesignating tile, stopped dwarves from mining out/removing their own and each other's floor tiles, stopped burned corpses from dropping two skeletons, tweaked dwarf site entrances, made adv mode people talk about surrounding regions again, made adventure mode travel ambushes happen again
* 12/11/2007: Added tile support for appointed dwarves, fixed a few problems with geological layer creation, added gender check for king consort, fixed cliff indicator key, fixed bottom of magma pools, removed pet info from work animals properly, stopped inappropriate ambush messages from being generated by cage traps, fixed improper above ground designations, fixed problem with food storage barrels being brought to restricted piles, made mayor announcement display the proper unit type

=== v0.27.169.33e ===

* 12/08/2007: Fixed problem with meeting queue skipping, fixed problem with noble queue and complaints, fixed problem with moods involving glass and rough gems, cleaned out demands/mandates when a mayor loses re-election, extended account exemption to leader/sheriff, fixed tile for dead trees being chopped down, made lava warm diagonal squares, fixed more fallowing problems, stopped flashing ramp designations from giving away hidden locations, fixed some job issues with the manager screen, added missing woodworker title, removed ambush state for creatures caught in cage traps, fixed typo in art element descriptions
* 12/07/2007: Made veins and other rock types collapse downward properly, added a skeletal flag for certain parts that skeletons would want, stopped siege operators from firing at hidden units, stopped unchained dwarves from using beds in jails, fixed problem with cursor on military screen, stopped mandaters from bringing trade goods to depot, fixed icon for blinking trees with fallen leaves, stopped nobles from caring about the rooms of other dwarves if they don't require that room, resolved recover wounded/justice conflict, added note for deceased criminals, stopped self-punishment in justice, fixed various problems with movement involving chains, fixed problem with currency screen lumping together all metal types, made caravans bring proper animals following trade agreements, fixed problem causing trade animals to have trade flags prematurely removed
* 12/06/2007: Stopped constructions from preserving subterranean status for indoor areas, stopped solidified swamps from starting over volcanoes, added liner to volcano wall, stopped automated buildings from generating jobs if they've been claimed by a mood dwarf, made projectiles respect archery targets and reworked some related code
* 12/05/2007: Fixed abandon crash, handled floor placement for walls constructed below melting liquids, stopped breaks from affecting unrelated body systems, fixed bugs stopping some creatures from attacking others in their square

=== v0.27.169.33d ===

* 11/30/2007: Fixed typo, fixed trap component selection from embark, fixed crash bug on embark item selection screen
* 11/28/2007: Fixed counteroffer crash
* 11/27/2007: Fixed rest/drink infinite loop, got rid of some bucket spam and changed how meal/drink request timer resets, fixed some typos, fixed pathing problem with trigger linking, fixed problem with item list updates in embark screen, fixed problem with soldiers filling waterskins at wells with many water objects
* 11/26/2007: Tweaked depot list sorting

=== v0.27.169.33c ===

* 11/23/2007: Fixed problem with multiple nobles arriving, stopped new entities from using soil for craft material, expanded trade/startup item list
* 11/22/2007: Added categories to item selection in embark
* 11/21/2007: Fixed crash bug from saving while somebody is falling down a chasm, made items drop when a ramp is dug out beneath them, handled some typos, stopped dig designations from persisting on caved-in spaces, stopped soldiers from pilfering food from caravans for their backpacks, allowed units that can't find a bed to rest to take eat/drink jobs, added init option for dwarfort.exe priority, stopped farms from resetting earlier seasons to fallow
* 11/20/2007: Fixed crash bug from equipment check on multi-item holds and some related problems, messed with break code a bit, added some controls on parties
* 11/19/2007: Allowed diplomats and merchants to escape off the edge from deep/high areas, fixed crash bug on abandon, added trained animals to the animal screen, tracked why units are following certain units more closely, stopped children from tagging along after their parents once they grow up, added short distance search for stay inside order

=== v0.27.169.33b ===

* 11/15/2007: Fixed lag caused by creatures wandering in liquid, tweaked pathfinding, fixed lag associated to wilderness creatures
* 11/14/2007: Stopped miasma from escaping coffins, stopped floor removal over constructed walls from leaving empty space, stopped channeling a floor over a constructed wall from leaving empty space, fixed some cases of liquid flows not starting up properly, fixed problem with windows and vision, caused some buildings to block vermin, cleaned residual jobs on site saves, stopped buildings from destroying ramps/stairs, fixed connectivity problem from ramp digging, fixed a problem with constructed stair placement, stopped appointment of leader position, gave threadable stones economic status, fixed a few problems with counter offers
* 11/13/2007: Fixed trap component/anvil metal use issues, stopped live vermin from being eaten all the time, stopped square trampling from removing dig designations, stopped stockpiles from removing liquids on placement
* 11/12/2007: Fixed crash bug from archery training, fixed a problem with wagon pathing, fixed problem with wagon speed, handled problem with 3D projectile targeting, capped reclaim squad number, stopped vegetation from growing on ramps/stairs, stopped innate swimmers from gaining swim skill, fixed some material typos, stopped 2 mayors from being present at once, fixed a problem with blood hanging in the air, handled problem with caveins involving stairs and ramps
* 11/09/2007: Fixed scrolling problem on load screen, fixed crash caused by viewing the inventories of additional units, fixed problem with traded armor items not being recognized, fixed problem with moods not getting started, fixed problem with list update on stockpile mode paging, handled some of the problems keeping dwarves stuck on unpathable terrain
* 11/08/2007: Fixed embark crash in cliff areas, fixed crash caused by seed trade valuation, fixed lockup from dry wells, fixed crash from sewing cloth images, handled a reclaim/adv mode crash, added a bit of text to wells, fixed problem with edge construction restriction, eliminated a tantrum lag/freeze problem
* 11/06/2007: Fixed problem with fortress advancement
* 11/01/2007: Fixed a few typos

=== v0.27.169.33a ===

* 10/31/2007: Fixed problem with work quota validations not being saved, fixed various typos, fixed problem with count promotion, made damp stone warning do diagonals, fixed lag from creatures passing each other, fixed problem with smelter metal counts, added fuel notification for smelter, fixed problem with caravan weight calculations involving seeds and animal corpses, fixed problem with walls turning into soil upon being carved into fortifications, tweaked embark warnings, fixed problem with building material temperature checks, fixed problem with cookable raw fish not being recognized once they are brought to the kitchen, handled water table designation on dig, made main layer stones default to unrestricted even if they are economic, fixed problem with blinking designations, automatically freed broker from depot upon merchant departure, added wooden blocks, fixed various forge jobs, fixed problem with creatures not taking fall damage from hitting the bottom of the playable area
* 10/30/2007: Fixed embark screen abort crash bug, got rid of some duplicate entity links, fixed handling of abandoned fortress migrant entry links and corresponding reclaim crash, fixed displayed affiliation of previous settlers, stopped previous settlers from being in ambush, fixed well crash bug, fixed broken smelter jobs, changed how hidden tiles are displayed, fixed accumulated midmap cleaner
* 10/29/2007: Fixed spelling of negotiator

== Current Bugs ==

Check the [[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search&search_forum=6 bay12games forums bug report subforum]] if you find something weird. Please use the search function!

=== "Large [blank]" ===

I was minding my own business, trading with some nice human merchants... when all of a sudden I find a very very strange item.

It costs 40# and has a weight of 6r. The weirdest thing is both it's name and description;
Name: <-large ->
Description: This is a well-crafted large .

As you can see, the game tried to create a large something... but whatever it was didn't exist. Just thought you might like to know. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:30, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
:This... is already known and floats around the known bugs list on the dev pages. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 14:06, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh alright. Just making sure it isn't just me. By the way, the item in question is a gem. Hope that helps. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 08:09, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

My Dungeon Master is demanding "item in Throne Room/Office", a similar sort of bug perhaps? I have no idea what sort of item he wants, but man, does he ever want it. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 19:34, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Merchant in Adventure Mode ===

(This conversation pretty much sums up the whole issue).
:Flauncy, Swordsman: Let's trade.
:Mispi Emanraji, Merchant: You should probably try a merchant.
>_< --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:05, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Was the aforementioned merchant in his shop? Was he about to leave or did he just enter? If so, "Merchants don't act like merchants unless in their shop." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:47, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::Was it an Elf Merchant? As far as I can tell, only shopkeepers trade, and only in their shops; and elf merchants don't have shops, so. I imagine (though I haven't observed it) that a human merchant who wasn't a shopkeeper would have the same issue. My advice: Grab merchant by throat with right upper arm. Choke merchant by throat with right upper arm. Strangle merchant by throat with right upper arm. Repeat last step as necessary. Problem solved! --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 13:51, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::: I should probably mention, the merchant in question was in the Mayor's house with all the drunks. Still, I would have expected him to say "Oh, I'm not in my merchants house, sorry." or something similar not "You should probably try a merchant". --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:59, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Legendary Wagon (I'm serious) ===
In legends mode, I've got about 10 entries that are strange. I will quote one of them;

::::: , ""
was a wagon born in 883.
In the early autumn of 1058, was scuttled in Flowervoiced.

Any idea what this means? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:01, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

It means that wagons are actually living, breathing entities! I discovered something similar when i accidentally 'killed' a pair of human caravan wagons in fortress mode. they appproached my fortress through an area where a wall was being built, and as they were passing the square that was directly above my underground trade depot (don't know if that was coincidence or played into the bug) they both somehow got stuck in the semi constructed wall. then after a few months they vanished... leaving all their stuff on the ground for my dwarves to loot. the guards and merchants wandered off, and they showed up on the list of units as dead wagons. as this was only my second fortress playing with version 39e, I was extremely confused at the time. --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 19:52, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

== Issues ==

=== Trader Problem ===

I just had a group of traders spend so long "unloading" that they left before I could do any trading. This is only the second time the dwarven trade wagon has been here and I really need an anvil...

=== Magma Flow ===

Magma does not naturally have [[pressure]] because it is "chunky": when a magma pipe is tapped at a certain level, it will not flow upwards like a volcano, even if there is a considerable reservoir of magma nearby. This is not a bug and is very intentional. However, if magma is pumped, it gains pressure up to the level of the [[screw pump]], and a pump can push magma through a U shaped passage just fine.

=== Perfect Swimming ===

"Brook" tiles are treated as floor tiles over top of caverns. Think of a thin "force-field" built over top of a river. The force field allows people to walk across, but also allows them to dip their hands into the water below in order to drink. Though silly from a realism standpoint, this is currently the only possible implementation, and is meant to represent very shallow water flowing through and around rocky gravel.

=== Milking Issue ===

To milk something it has to be a [[vermin]]ous creature. The only milkable thing you can carry is a purring maggot. Larger creatures are not yet milkable because the AI is not yet implemented to bring the creatures to the [[farmer's workshop]]. It would be relatively simple to implement, but is not a priority at this time.

Note that while you cannot milk larger animals yourself, civilisations can still milk animals "off screen" for your benefit.

=== Building a Wooden Weapon... Rack ===

There is a minor problem with the [[carpenter's workshop]]. Inexperienced players might be confused because in the build menu it says "Construct wooden Weapon", but they will get a [[weapon rack]] out of the deal. This isn't a bug, merely a shortcoming of the interface. You cannot actually build wooden weapons at the carpenter's workshop; the full name, "Construct wooden Weapon rack", is cut off in the default view, and can be seen if {{k|Tab}} is used to expand the menu. Expanding the menu will reveal that the option does not specify constructing a wooden weapon, but rather a wooden weapon ''rack''.

=== Split-level River ===
I loaded up a section of my world and found a split-level river- that is, a river that for half of the map is on ground-level and half of the map is one z-level up. This may just seem like a cool thing to most of you, but the upper river has now started flooding out and consuming the entire lower river basin- something that I've been informed shouldn't happen. If someone will give me the address and directions for sending my world / creation log, I can pass it along to the developers for review. --[[User:Lucien|Lucien]] 23:30, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

== Official bug list ==

The official list of bugs is available from the Dwarf Fortress website's [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_bugs.html Reported Bugs] list.

40d:Known bugs and issues

2008-08-31T23:52:32Z

FruityBix: /* Legendary Wagon (I'm serious) */

== History of fixes ==

This information has not been updated since version v0.27.169.33g.{{version|0.28.181.39e}} An up-to-date log of all fixes to the game can be obtained from the Dwarf Fortress [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html Recent Developments] page or its [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.rss RSS feed].

=== v0.27.169.33g ===

* 12/21/2007:
** Made human pack animals arrive with trade goods properly
** Fixed problem that caused some entities to not use feature materials properly
** Stopped premature starts on mood construction
** Restricted glass requests for moods
** Fixed problem with constructions and subterranean designations
** Changed order of item types on stocks screen
** Fixed problem with stuck soldiers after [[wrestling]] practice
* 12/20/2007: Updated the bring-to-depot interface
* 12/19/2007:
** Made dead ambushers show up on the unit screen
** Displayed region folder above game type choices
** Added init option for pause on load
** Allowed embark rectangle to be 2x2
** Allowed embark rectangle size to be set in init
** Made cage/chain lists show relevant building picture instead of a C
** Disallowed certain predators from the intro text
** Tweaked stuck-in removal text
** Gave occupied cage items/buildings different name text
** Made contained trade items fill out the container
** Made world generation results independent of custom name
** Fixed problem with glaciers melting on load
* 12/18/2007:
** Changed priorities of idle designations
** Changed vermin/pet names in stocks screen
** Changed leader text in status screen
* 12/17/2007:
** Updated embark race name to support non-dwarves.
** Fixed gem typo on stocks screen.

=== v0.27.169.33f ===

* 12/14/2007: Made items that are thrown or shot in dwarf mode forbidden, sped up freezing water checks, made various types of items capable of destruction by fire, fixed a burn lag issue, fixed problem that made invader AI turn off, stopped full goblin armies from attacking smaller sites, fixed conflict with migrant projectiles and stranded item code
* 12/13/2007: Changed how tree line works, corrected idler count vs. meetings, stopped wells/grates/hatches from being built in walls and other obstacles, sped up region information collector, allowed magma buildings to be built after discovering endgame areas, disable mud/blood spreading, made wagon start in selected biome if possible, stopped elves from being pleased with unethical trades, allowed more item types to hauled to the depot, made caravan items respect thread/cloth information for bags and other items, stopped wagon pullers that are also pack animals from being loaded with trade goods, homogenized pullers of a given wagon, stopped production jobs from using dump/melt designated objects, fixed a possible problem with rot locations, cleaned up some of the eat/get provisions code, made ocean waves drop salt water, made silk more susceptible to fire damage, consolidated some map event code, fixed problem with food item descriptions, fixed food ingredient value calculation
* 12/12/2007: Fixed laced typo, made engravings go away properly upon channel and other dig jobs, handled snow etc. versus construction removal, stopped cancelled smoothing jobs from undesignating tile, stopped dwarves from mining out/removing their own and each other's floor tiles, stopped burned corpses from dropping two skeletons, tweaked dwarf site entrances, made adv mode people talk about surrounding regions again, made adventure mode travel ambushes happen again
* 12/11/2007: Added tile support for appointed dwarves, fixed a few problems with geological layer creation, added gender check for king consort, fixed cliff indicator key, fixed bottom of magma pools, removed pet info from work animals properly, stopped inappropriate ambush messages from being generated by cage traps, fixed improper above ground designations, fixed problem with food storage barrels being brought to restricted piles, made mayor announcement display the proper unit type

=== v0.27.169.33e ===

* 12/08/2007: Fixed problem with meeting queue skipping, fixed problem with noble queue and complaints, fixed problem with moods involving glass and rough gems, cleaned out demands/mandates when a mayor loses re-election, extended account exemption to leader/sheriff, fixed tile for dead trees being chopped down, made lava warm diagonal squares, fixed more fallowing problems, stopped flashing ramp designations from giving away hidden locations, fixed some job issues with the manager screen, added missing woodworker title, removed ambush state for creatures caught in cage traps, fixed typo in art element descriptions
* 12/07/2007: Made veins and other rock types collapse downward properly, added a skeletal flag for certain parts that skeletons would want, stopped siege operators from firing at hidden units, stopped unchained dwarves from using beds in jails, fixed problem with cursor on military screen, stopped mandaters from bringing trade goods to depot, fixed icon for blinking trees with fallen leaves, stopped nobles from caring about the rooms of other dwarves if they don't require that room, resolved recover wounded/justice conflict, added note for deceased criminals, stopped self-punishment in justice, fixed various problems with movement involving chains, fixed problem with currency screen lumping together all metal types, made caravans bring proper animals following trade agreements, fixed problem causing trade animals to have trade flags prematurely removed
* 12/06/2007: Stopped constructions from preserving subterranean status for indoor areas, stopped solidified swamps from starting over volcanoes, added liner to volcano wall, stopped automated buildings from generating jobs if they've been claimed by a mood dwarf, made projectiles respect archery targets and reworked some related code
* 12/05/2007: Fixed abandon crash, handled floor placement for walls constructed below melting liquids, stopped breaks from affecting unrelated body systems, fixed bugs stopping some creatures from attacking others in their square

=== v0.27.169.33d ===

* 11/30/2007: Fixed typo, fixed trap component selection from embark, fixed crash bug on embark item selection screen
* 11/28/2007: Fixed counteroffer crash
* 11/27/2007: Fixed rest/drink infinite loop, got rid of some bucket spam and changed how meal/drink request timer resets, fixed some typos, fixed pathing problem with trigger linking, fixed problem with item list updates in embark screen, fixed problem with soldiers filling waterskins at wells with many water objects
* 11/26/2007: Tweaked depot list sorting

=== v0.27.169.33c ===

* 11/23/2007: Fixed problem with multiple nobles arriving, stopped new entities from using soil for craft material, expanded trade/startup item list
* 11/22/2007: Added categories to item selection in embark
* 11/21/2007: Fixed crash bug from saving while somebody is falling down a chasm, made items drop when a ramp is dug out beneath them, handled some typos, stopped dig designations from persisting on caved-in spaces, stopped soldiers from pilfering food from caravans for their backpacks, allowed units that can't find a bed to rest to take eat/drink jobs, added init option for dwarfort.exe priority, stopped farms from resetting earlier seasons to fallow
* 11/20/2007: Fixed crash bug from equipment check on multi-item holds and some related problems, messed with break code a bit, added some controls on parties
* 11/19/2007: Allowed diplomats and merchants to escape off the edge from deep/high areas, fixed crash bug on abandon, added trained animals to the animal screen, tracked why units are following certain units more closely, stopped children from tagging along after their parents once they grow up, added short distance search for stay inside order

=== v0.27.169.33b ===

* 11/15/2007: Fixed lag caused by creatures wandering in liquid, tweaked pathfinding, fixed lag associated to wilderness creatures
* 11/14/2007: Stopped miasma from escaping coffins, stopped floor removal over constructed walls from leaving empty space, stopped channeling a floor over a constructed wall from leaving empty space, fixed some cases of liquid flows not starting up properly, fixed problem with windows and vision, caused some buildings to block vermin, cleaned residual jobs on site saves, stopped buildings from destroying ramps/stairs, fixed connectivity problem from ramp digging, fixed a problem with constructed stair placement, stopped appointment of leader position, gave threadable stones economic status, fixed a few problems with counter offers
* 11/13/2007: Fixed trap component/anvil metal use issues, stopped live vermin from being eaten all the time, stopped square trampling from removing dig designations, stopped stockpiles from removing liquids on placement
* 11/12/2007: Fixed crash bug from archery training, fixed a problem with wagon pathing, fixed problem with wagon speed, handled problem with 3D projectile targeting, capped reclaim squad number, stopped vegetation from growing on ramps/stairs, stopped innate swimmers from gaining swim skill, fixed some material typos, stopped 2 mayors from being present at once, fixed a problem with blood hanging in the air, handled problem with caveins involving stairs and ramps
* 11/09/2007: Fixed scrolling problem on load screen, fixed crash caused by viewing the inventories of additional units, fixed problem with traded armor items not being recognized, fixed problem with moods not getting started, fixed problem with list update on stockpile mode paging, handled some of the problems keeping dwarves stuck on unpathable terrain
* 11/08/2007: Fixed embark crash in cliff areas, fixed crash caused by seed trade valuation, fixed lockup from dry wells, fixed crash from sewing cloth images, handled a reclaim/adv mode crash, added a bit of text to wells, fixed problem with edge construction restriction, eliminated a tantrum lag/freeze problem
* 11/06/2007: Fixed problem with fortress advancement
* 11/01/2007: Fixed a few typos

=== v0.27.169.33a ===

* 10/31/2007: Fixed problem with work quota validations not being saved, fixed various typos, fixed problem with count promotion, made damp stone warning do diagonals, fixed lag from creatures passing each other, fixed problem with smelter metal counts, added fuel notification for smelter, fixed problem with caravan weight calculations involving seeds and animal corpses, fixed problem with walls turning into soil upon being carved into fortifications, tweaked embark warnings, fixed problem with building material temperature checks, fixed problem with cookable raw fish not being recognized once they are brought to the kitchen, handled water table designation on dig, made main layer stones default to unrestricted even if they are economic, fixed problem with blinking designations, automatically freed broker from depot upon merchant departure, added wooden blocks, fixed various forge jobs, fixed problem with creatures not taking fall damage from hitting the bottom of the playable area
* 10/30/2007: Fixed embark screen abort crash bug, got rid of some duplicate entity links, fixed handling of abandoned fortress migrant entry links and corresponding reclaim crash, fixed displayed affiliation of previous settlers, stopped previous settlers from being in ambush, fixed well crash bug, fixed broken smelter jobs, changed how hidden tiles are displayed, fixed accumulated midmap cleaner
* 10/29/2007: Fixed spelling of negotiator

== Current Bugs ==

Check the [[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search&search_forum=6 bay12games forums bug report subforum]] if you find something weird. Please use the search function!

=== "Large [blank]" ===

I was minding my own business, trading with some nice human merchants... when all of a sudden I find a very very strange item.

It costs 40# and has a weight of 6r. The weirdest thing is both it's name and description;
Name: <-large ->
Description: This is a well-crafted large .

As you can see, the game tried to create a large something... but whatever it was didn't exist. Just thought you might like to know. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:30, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
:This... is already known and floats around the known bugs list on the dev pages. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 14:06, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh alright. Just making sure it isn't just me. By the way, the item in question is a gem. Hope that helps. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 08:09, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

My Dungeon Master is demanding "item in Throne Room/Office", a similar sort of bug perhaps? I have no idea what sort of item he wants, but man, does he ever want it. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 19:34, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Merchant in Adventure Mode ===

(This conversation pretty much sums up the whole issue).
:Flauncy, Swordsman: Let's trade.
:Mispi Emanraji, Merchant: You should probably try a merchant.
>_< --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:05, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Was the aforementioned merchant in his shop? Was he about to leave or did he just enter? If so, "Merchants don't act like merchants unless in their shop." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:47, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::Was it an Elf Merchant? As far as I can tell, only shopkeepers trade, and only in their shops; and elf merchants don't have shops, so. I imagine (though I haven't observed it) that a human merchant who wasn't a shopkeeper would have the same issue. My advice: Grab merchant by throat with right upper arm. Choke merchant by throat with right upper arm. Strangle merchant by throat with right upper arm. Repeat last step as necessary. Problem solved! --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 13:51, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::: I should probably mention, the merchant in question was in the Mayor's house with all the drunks. Still, I would have expected him to say "Oh, I'm not in my merchants house, sorry." or something similar not "You should probably try a merchant". --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:59, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Legendary Wagon (I'm serious) ===
In legends mode, I've got about 10 entries that are strange. I will quote one of them;

::::: , ""
was a wagon born in 883.
In the early autumn of 1058, was scuttled in Flowervoiced.

Any idea what this means? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:01, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

It means that wagons are actually living, breathing entities! I discovered something similar when i accidentally 'killed' a pair of human caravan wagons in fortress mode. they appproached my fortress through an area where a wall was being built, and as they were passing the square that was directly above my underground trade depot (don't know if that was coincidence or played into the bug) they both somehow got stuck in the semi constructed wall. then after a few months they vanished... leaving all their stuff on the ground for my dwarves to loot. the guards and merchants wandered off, and they showed up on the list of units as dead wagons. as this was only my second fortress playing with version 39f, I was extremely confused at the time. --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 19:52, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

== Issues ==

=== Trader Problem ===

I just had a group of traders spend so long "unloading" that they left before I could do any trading. This is only the second time the dwarven trade wagon has been here and I really need an anvil...

=== Magma Flow ===

Magma does not naturally have [[pressure]] because it is "chunky": when a magma pipe is tapped at a certain level, it will not flow upwards like a volcano, even if there is a considerable reservoir of magma nearby. This is not a bug and is very intentional. However, if magma is pumped, it gains pressure up to the level of the [[screw pump]], and a pump can push magma through a U shaped passage just fine.

=== Perfect Swimming ===

"Brook" tiles are treated as floor tiles over top of caverns. Think of a thin "force-field" built over top of a river. The force field allows people to walk across, but also allows them to dip their hands into the water below in order to drink. Though silly from a realism standpoint, this is currently the only possible implementation, and is meant to represent very shallow water flowing through and around rocky gravel.

=== Milking Issue ===

To milk something it has to be a [[vermin]]ous creature. The only milkable thing you can carry is a purring maggot. Larger creatures are not yet milkable because the AI is not yet implemented to bring the creatures to the [[farmer's workshop]]. It would be relatively simple to implement, but is not a priority at this time.

Note that while you cannot milk larger animals yourself, civilisations can still milk animals "off screen" for your benefit.

=== Building a Wooden Weapon... Rack ===

There is a minor problem with the [[carpenter's workshop]]. Inexperienced players might be confused because in the build menu it says "Construct wooden Weapon", but they will get a [[weapon rack]] out of the deal. This isn't a bug, merely a shortcoming of the interface. You cannot actually build wooden weapons at the carpenter's workshop; the full name, "Construct wooden Weapon rack", is cut off in the default view, and can be seen if {{k|Tab}} is used to expand the menu. Expanding the menu will reveal that the option does not specify constructing a wooden weapon, but rather a wooden weapon ''rack''.

=== Split-level River ===
I loaded up a section of my world and found a split-level river- that is, a river that for half of the map is on ground-level and half of the map is one z-level up. This may just seem like a cool thing to most of you, but the upper river has now started flooding out and consuming the entire lower river basin- something that I've been informed shouldn't happen. If someone will give me the address and directions for sending my world / creation log, I can pass it along to the developers for review. --[[User:Lucien|Lucien]] 23:30, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

== Official bug list ==

The official list of bugs is available from the Dwarf Fortress website's [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_bugs.html Reported Bugs] list.