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Bloodline:SL Survival Challenge

2009-10-20T20:08:06Z

Kelsa: /* Current Game */

=The Survival Challenge!=
''Run by'' [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]

back to [[Bloodline:Succession League Games|Games]]

''note: this is NOT a bloodline game.''

==Current Rules==
New goals/Awards added, Rules updated.

No atomsmashing or exploits, please.

From the Forum:
 No maximum # of players. Just ask to be added to the competition! It ends the 29th of October. You may restart as many times as you like until you survive the Spring, after that you're locked in. If you die at a later time, the honest thing to do is admit defeat and wait for the next playthrough.

 Awards for:
 Sheer Style
 Smiter: Evil population control (bonus if you somehow manage to attract and kill a mega in this time period, bonus for style such as outdoor flooding traps, balista chutes, etc)
 "Noble Aspirations": Have the largest and best-satisfied nobility, with style!
 MegaConstruction
 Merchantilism: Most Wealth
 Popularity: Population count minus dead
 North Korea: self-destruct switch, taking out the enemies with you!
 Military: pretty self-explanatory. Kill, up close and personal! traps are for cowards!
 Defender of the Peace: Don't allow merchants to die (will be damn near impossible, i know) or provoke war with human/elven civs
 Ronald McDonald: Food/farming
 Woody Allen: Wood-related production (with an unsafe surface? good luck!)
 Hell on Earth: clear out the HFS! Bonus for style!
 ePITome of Power: clear the Chasm or Pit first. Bonus for least citizens lost to pit residents.
 Gobbler: Clear the Goblin Towers first. (N/A)
 Add the Beastmaster award, for taming and capturing?

 Depending on how awards are completed, you may attain multiple awards, for instance should you clear the goblin tower fast and not lose too many dwarves, while doing it face-to-face (not using traps) you may qualify for the Gobbler, Popularity, AND Military awards.
Not sure how to determine winners for food production and wood production yet. Artifacts aren't the product of your skill and will be excluded from your scores; however a legendary dwarf who made the artifact will certainly boost you if you keep him alive!

Post your economic stats, population and deaths, monster kills, and merchant deaths for the first year on the linked forum asap, so that our Leaderboard can be updated.

==Current Game==
[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42977.0| Collecting players on the Forum] 
Kinakin seems to have found the perfect map, and a link is posted below. 
{| border="5"
(+'''Year 1 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| 33116☼
| 7
| 64
| 8, 1 named
|-
| Barconis
| 30000☼
| Unknown
| 140
| 45 (!Leader!)
|-
| Chewykittens ''dropped''
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
| 52050☼ (!Leader!)
| 13 (!Leader!)
| 186 (!Leader!)
| Unknown
|-
| Goron
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Kelsa
| ?
| -1
| 183?
| 11
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
| Unknown
| Unknown
| 6?
|
|-
| Linthar
| 36804☼
| 7
| None
| 16
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 33500☼?
| 13?
| 70?
| <s>15</s>
|-
| sava2004
|-
| Tack ''failed :(''
|-
| TauQeubb
| 22580☼
| 7
| None
| Unknown
|
|-
| Zifnab
| 29000
| 7?
| Unknown
| 6
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 2 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Barconis
| 474070☼?
| 32?
| ~192
| ?
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 164706☼?
| 32
| 425
| 21
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
| 66
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
| 162351☼?
| 31
| 235
| 29 (2 named)
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 117904☼
| 34
| 271
| 35 (2 named)
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 178335☼
| 23
| 5?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
| 106159☼
| 34?
| 242?
| 48!
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 3 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 886390☼?
| 55
| 652?
| 67
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 588099☼?
| 34
| 469
| 61
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 840815☼?
| 42?
| 74?
|
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 4 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 1668100☼?
| 88?
| 991?
| 117! (6 named)
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] ''failed! :(''
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 965114☼?
| 79?
| 61?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 5 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (approximate total value)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 1106155☼
| 77?
| 181?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Awards'''
|-
! Players (alphabetical)
! Merchantilism (3)
! Style (3?)
! Popularity (3)
! Smiter: beast-slaying (1?)
! Megaconstruction (3)
! Ronald Mcdonald (1?)
! Woody Allen (none?, map was forested&safe)
! "North Korea" (any)
! Military (3)
! Defender of the Peace (any)
! Clear the Pit/Pool (timed)
! Beastmaster? (unconfirmed)
! Perhaps more
| Total Awards (winner)
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
| Contender
| Yes
| failed?
|
|-
| Barconis
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| ?
| Contender
| no
| ?
|
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
| Contender
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
| Pit:yes, time?
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
| Pit&Pool, yr2 (times?)
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| TauQeubb
|
|
|
|
|
| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
|
|
|
|
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|}

To be modified

==Map==
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1476

The search parameters are

X dimension 4

Y dimension 4

Savagery High

Evil High

Temperature Medium

Flux Stone Yes

River Yes

Underground Pool Yes

Bottomless Pit Yes

Other Features Yes

all other are N/A

==Past Games==
We are on our first game.

Bloodline:SL Survival Challenge

2009-10-20T20:02:29Z

Kelsa: /* Current Game */

=The Survival Challenge!=
''Run by'' [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]

back to [[Bloodline:Succession League Games|Games]]

''note: this is NOT a bloodline game.''

==Current Rules==
New goals/Awards added, Rules updated.

No atomsmashing or exploits, please.

From the Forum:
 No maximum # of players. Just ask to be added to the competition! It ends the 29th of October. You may restart as many times as you like until you survive the Spring, after that you're locked in. If you die at a later time, the honest thing to do is admit defeat and wait for the next playthrough.

 Awards for:
 Sheer Style
 Smiter: Evil population control (bonus if you somehow manage to attract and kill a mega in this time period, bonus for style such as outdoor flooding traps, balista chutes, etc)
 "Noble Aspirations": Have the largest and best-satisfied nobility, with style!
 MegaConstruction
 Merchantilism: Most Wealth
 Popularity: Population count minus dead
 North Korea: self-destruct switch, taking out the enemies with you!
 Military: pretty self-explanatory. Kill, up close and personal! traps are for cowards!
 Defender of the Peace: Don't allow merchants to die (will be damn near impossible, i know) or provoke war with human/elven civs
 Ronald McDonald: Food/farming
 Woody Allen: Wood-related production (with an unsafe surface? good luck!)
 Hell on Earth: clear out the HFS! Bonus for style!
 ePITome of Power: clear the Chasm or Pit first. Bonus for least citizens lost to pit residents.
 Gobbler: Clear the Goblin Towers first. (N/A)
 Add the Beastmaster award, for taming and capturing?

 Depending on how awards are completed, you may attain multiple awards, for instance should you clear the goblin tower fast and not lose too many dwarves, while doing it face-to-face (not using traps) you may qualify for the Gobbler, Popularity, AND Military awards.
Not sure how to determine winners for food production and wood production yet. Artifacts aren't the product of your skill and will be excluded from your scores; however a legendary dwarf who made the artifact will certainly boost you if you keep him alive!

Post your economic stats, population and deaths, monster kills, and merchant deaths for the first year on the linked forum asap, so that our Leaderboard can be updated.

==Current Game==
[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42977.0| Collecting players on the Forum] 
Kinakin seems to have found the perfect map, and a link is posted below. 
{| border="5"
(+'''Year 1 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| 33116☼
| 7
| 64
| 8, 1 named
|-
| Barconis
| 30000☼
| Unknown
| 140
| 45 (!Leader!)
|-
| Chewykittens ''dropped''
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
| 52050☼ (!Leader!)
| 13 (!Leader!)
| 186 (!Leader!)
| Unknown
|-
| Goron
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Kelsa
| ?
| -1
| 183?
| 11
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
| Unknown
| Unknown
| 6?
|
|-
| Linthar
| 36804☼
| 7
| None
| 16
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 33500☼?
| 13?
| 70?
| <s>15</s>
|-
| sava2004
|-
| Tack ''failed :(''
|-
| TauQeubb
| 22580☼
| 7
| None
| Unknown
|
|-
| Zifnab
| 29000
| 7?
| Unknown
| 6
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 2 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Barconis
| 474070☼?
| 32?
| ~192
| ?
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 164706☼?
| 32
| 425
| 21
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
| 66
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
| 162351☼?
| 31
| 235
| 29 (2 named)
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 117904☼
| 34
| 271
| 35 (2 named)
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 178335☼
| 23
| 5?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
| 106159☼
| 34?
| 242?
| 48!
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 3 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 886390☼?
| 55
| 652?
| 67
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 588099☼?
| 34
| 469
| 61
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 840815☼?
| 42?
| 74?
|
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 4 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 1668100☼?
| 88?
| 991?
| 117! (6 named)
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] Failed! :(
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 965114☼?
| 79?
| 61?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 5 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (approximate total value)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 1106155☼
| 77?
| 181?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Awards'''
|-
! Players (alphabetical)
! Merchantilism (3)
! Style (3?)
! Popularity (3)
! Smiter: beast-slaying (1?)
! Megaconstruction (3)
! Ronald Mcdonald (1?)
! Woody Allen (none?, map was forested&safe)
! "North Korea" (any)
! Military (3)
! Defender of the Peace (any)
! Clear the Pit/Pool (timed)
! Beastmaster? (unconfirmed)
! Perhaps more
| Total Awards (winner)
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
| Contender
| Yes
| failed?
|
|-
| Barconis
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| ?
| Contender
| no
| ?
|
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
| Contender
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
| Pit:yes, time?
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
| Pit&Pool, yr2 (times?)
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| TauQeubb
|
|
|
|
|
| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
|
|
|
|
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|}

To be modified

==Map==
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1476

The search parameters are

X dimension 4

Y dimension 4

Savagery High

Evil High

Temperature Medium

Flux Stone Yes

River Yes

Underground Pool Yes

Bottomless Pit Yes

Other Features Yes

all other are N/A

==Past Games==
We are on our first game.

Bloodline:SL Survival Challenge

2009-10-20T06:22:11Z

Kelsa: /* Current Game */

=The Survival Challenge!=
''Run by'' [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]

back to [[Bloodline:Succession League Games|Games]]

''note: this is NOT a bloodline game.''

==Current Rules==
New goals/Awards added, Rules updated.

No atomsmashing or exploits, please.

From the Forum:
 No maximum # of players. Just ask to be added to the competition! It ends the 29th of October. You may restart as many times as you like until you survive the Spring, after that you're locked in. If you die at a later time, the honest thing to do is admit defeat and wait for the next playthrough.

 Awards for:
 Sheer Style
 Smiter: Evil population control (bonus if you somehow manage to attract and kill a mega in this time period, bonus for style such as outdoor flooding traps, balista chutes, etc)
 "Noble Aspirations": Have the largest and best-satisfied nobility, with style!
 MegaConstruction
 Merchantilism: Most Wealth
 Popularity: Population count minus dead
 North Korea: self-destruct switch, taking out the enemies with you!
 Military: pretty self-explanatory. Kill, up close and personal! traps are for cowards!
 Defender of the Peace: Don't allow merchants to die (will be damn near impossible, i know) or provoke war with human/elven civs
 Ronald McDonald: Food/farming
 Woody Allen: Wood-related production (with an unsafe surface? good luck!)
 Hell on Earth: clear out the HFS! Bonus for style!
 ePITome of Power: clear the Chasm or Pit first. Bonus for least citizens lost to pit residents.
 Gobbler: Clear the Goblin Towers first. (N/A)
 Add the Beastmaster award, for taming and capturing?

 Depending on how awards are completed, you may attain multiple awards, for instance should you clear the goblin tower fast and not lose too many dwarves, while doing it face-to-face (not using traps) you may qualify for the Gobbler, Popularity, AND Military awards.
Not sure how to determine winners for food production and wood production yet. Artifacts aren't the product of your skill and will be excluded from your scores; however a legendary dwarf who made the artifact will certainly boost you if you keep him alive!

Post your economic stats, population and deaths, monster kills, and merchant deaths for the first year on the linked forum asap, so that our Leaderboard can be updated.

==Current Game==
[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42977.0| Collecting players on the Forum] 
Kinakin seems to have found the perfect map, and a link is posted below. 
{| border="5"
(+'''Year 1 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| 33116☼
| 7
| 64
| 8, 1 named
|-
| Barconis
| 30000☼
| Unknown
| 140
| 45 (!Leader!)
|-
| Chewykittens ''dropped''
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
| 52050☼ (!Leader!)
| 13 (!Leader!)
| 186 (!Leader!)
| Unknown
|-
| Goron
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Kelsa
| ?
| -1
| 183?
| 11
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
| Unknown
| Unknown
| 6?
|
|-
| Linthar
| 36804☼
| 7
| None
| 16
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 33500☼?
| 13?
| 70?
| <s>15</s>
|-
| sava2004
|-
| Tack ''failed :(''
|-
| TauQeubb
| 22580☼
| 7
| None
| Unknown
|
|-
| Zifnab
| 29000
| 7?
| Unknown
| 6
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 2 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Barconis
| 474070☼?
| 32?
| ~192
| ?
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 164706☼?
| 32
| 425
| 21
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
| 66
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
| 162351☼?
| 31
| 235
| 29 (2 named)
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 117904☼
| 34
| 271
| 35 (2 named)
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 178335☼
| 23
| 5?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
| 106159☼
| 34?
| 242?
| 48!
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 3 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 886390☼?
| 55
| 652?
| 67
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 588099☼?
| 34
| 469
| 61
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
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|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
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|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
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|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 840815☼?
| 42?
| 74?
|
|-
| Zifnab
|
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|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 4 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 1668100☼?
| 88?
| 991?
| 117! (6 named)
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
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| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
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|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
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|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 965114☼?
| 79?
| 61?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 5 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (approximate total value)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
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|-
| Barconis
|
|
|
|
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|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
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|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
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|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 1106155☼
| 77?
| 181?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Awards'''
|-
! Players (alphabetical)
! Merchantilism (3)
! Style (3?)
! Popularity (3)
! Smiter: beast-slaying (1?)
! Megaconstruction (3)
! Ronald Mcdonald (1?)
! Woody Allen (none?, map was forested&safe)
! "North Korea" (any)
! Military (3)
! Defender of the Peace (any)
! Clear the Pit/Pool (timed)
! Beastmaster? (unconfirmed)
! Perhaps more
| Total Awards (winner)
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
| Contender
| Yes
| failed?
|
|-
| Barconis
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| ?
| Contender
| no
| ?
|
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
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| Contender
|
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| N/A
|
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| Pit:yes, time?
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
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| N/A
|
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| Pit&Pool, yr2 (times?)
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|
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| N/A
|
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|-
| Linthar
|
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| N/A
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| rosedrake
|
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| N/A
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| sarack
|
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| N/A
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| sava2004
|
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| N/A
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| TauQeubb
|
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| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
|
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| Zifnab
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| N/A
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|}

To be modified

==Map==
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1476

The search parameters are

X dimension 4

Y dimension 4

Savagery High

Evil High

Temperature Medium

Flux Stone Yes

River Yes

Underground Pool Yes

Bottomless Pit Yes

Other Features Yes

all other are N/A

==Past Games==
We are on our first game.

Bloodline:SL Survival Challenge

2009-10-20T06:20:37Z

Kelsa: /* Current Game */

=The Survival Challenge!=
''Run by'' [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]

back to [[Bloodline:Succession League Games|Games]]

''note: this is NOT a bloodline game.''

==Current Rules==
New goals/Awards added, Rules updated.

No atomsmashing or exploits, please.

From the Forum:
 No maximum # of players. Just ask to be added to the competition! It ends the 29th of October. You may restart as many times as you like until you survive the Spring, after that you're locked in. If you die at a later time, the honest thing to do is admit defeat and wait for the next playthrough.

 Awards for:
 Sheer Style
 Smiter: Evil population control (bonus if you somehow manage to attract and kill a mega in this time period, bonus for style such as outdoor flooding traps, balista chutes, etc)
 "Noble Aspirations": Have the largest and best-satisfied nobility, with style!
 MegaConstruction
 Merchantilism: Most Wealth
 Popularity: Population count minus dead
 North Korea: self-destruct switch, taking out the enemies with you!
 Military: pretty self-explanatory. Kill, up close and personal! traps are for cowards!
 Defender of the Peace: Don't allow merchants to die (will be damn near impossible, i know) or provoke war with human/elven civs
 Ronald McDonald: Food/farming
 Woody Allen: Wood-related production (with an unsafe surface? good luck!)
 Hell on Earth: clear out the HFS! Bonus for style!
 ePITome of Power: clear the Chasm or Pit first. Bonus for least citizens lost to pit residents.
 Gobbler: Clear the Goblin Towers first. (N/A)
 Add the Beastmaster award, for taming and capturing?

 Depending on how awards are completed, you may attain multiple awards, for instance should you clear the goblin tower fast and not lose too many dwarves, while doing it face-to-face (not using traps) you may qualify for the Gobbler, Popularity, AND Military awards.
Not sure how to determine winners for food production and wood production yet. Artifacts aren't the product of your skill and will be excluded from your scores; however a legendary dwarf who made the artifact will certainly boost you if you keep him alive!

Post your economic stats, population and deaths, monster kills, and merchant deaths for the first year on the linked forum asap, so that our Leaderboard can be updated.

==Current Game==
[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42977.0| Collecting players on the Forum] 
Kinakin seems to have found the perfect map, and a link is posted below. 
{| border="5"
(+'''Year 1 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| 33116☼
| 7
| 64
| 8, 1 named
|-
| Barconis
| 30000☼
| Unknown
| 140
| 45 (!Leader!)
|-
| Chewykittens ''dropped''
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
| 52050☼ (!Leader!)
| 13 (!Leader!)
| 186 (!Leader!)
| Unknown
|-
| Goron
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Kelsa
| ?
| -1
| 183?
| 11
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
| Unknown
| Unknown
| 6?
|
|-
| Linthar
| 36804☼
| 7
| None
| 16
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 33500☼?
| 13?
| 70?
| <s>15</s>
|-
| sava2004
|-
| Tack ''failed :(''
|-
| TauQeubb
| 22580☼
| 7
| None
| Unknown
|
|-
| Zifnab
| 29000
| 7?
| Unknown
| 6
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 2 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| ?
| ?
| ?
| ?
|-
| Barconis
| 474070☼?
| 32?
| ~192
| ?
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 164706☼
| 32
| 425
| 21
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
| 66
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
| 162351☼?
| 31
| 235
| 29 (2 named)
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
| 117904☼
| 34
| 271
| 35 (2 named)
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 178335☼
| 23
| 5?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
| 106159☼
| 34?
| 242?
| 48!
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 3 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 886390☼?
| 55
| 652?
| 67
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
|[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]]
| 588099☼
| 34
| 469
| 61
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 840815☼?
| 42?
| 74?
|
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}

To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 4 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (food industry)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
| 1668100☼?
| 88?
| 991?
| 117! (6 named)
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 965114☼?
| 79?
| 61?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Year 5 Stats'''
|-
! Players
! Wealth
! Popularity
! Meals (approximate total value)
! Kill Count, savage beasts
! etc
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| Barconis
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Goron
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|-
| rosedrake
|-
| sarack
|
|
|
|
|-
| sava2004
|-
| TauQeubb
| 1106155☼
| 77?
| 181?
| Unknown
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|}
To be modified

{| border="5"
(+'''Awards'''
|-
! Players (alphabetical)
! Merchantilism (3)
! Style (3?)
! Popularity (3)
! Smiter: beast-slaying (1?)
! Megaconstruction (3)
! Ronald Mcdonald (1?)
! Woody Allen (none?, map was forested&safe)
! "North Korea" (any)
! Military (3)
! Defender of the Peace (any)
! Clear the Pit/Pool (timed)
! Beastmaster? (unconfirmed)
! Perhaps more
| Total Awards (winner)
|-
| [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
| Contender
| Yes
| failed?
|
|-
| Barconis
| Contender
|
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| Contender
| N/A
| ?
| Contender
| no
| ?
|
|-
| [[User:Karl|Karl]]
|
|
|
| Contender
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
| Pit:yes, time?
|
|-
| [[User:Kilakin|Kilakin]]
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
| Pit&Pool, yr2 (times?)
|
|-
| kurokikaze
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Linthar
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
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|-
| rosedrake
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
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|-
| sarack
|
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|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
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|-
| sava2004
|
|
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|
|
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| N/A
|
|
|
|
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|-
| TauQeubb
|
|
|
|
|
| Contender
| N/A
| Yes
|
|
|
|
|-
| Zifnab
|
|
|
|
|
|
| N/A
|
|
|
|
|
|}

To be modified

==Map==
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1476

The search parameters are

X dimension 4

Y dimension 4

Savagery High

Evil High

Temperature Medium

Flux Stone Yes

River Yes

Underground Pool Yes

Bottomless Pit Yes

Other Features Yes

all other are N/A

==Past Games==
We are on our first game.

Bloodline Talk:Succession League Ratings

2009-10-12T04:11:56Z

Kelsa:

Reviews - Ability Rating point 1. 3.
"Not being able to follow the rules because they are a poor player is the perfect reason to rate someone at 1,"
Shouldn't that last part read as -1 instead? as:
"Not being able to follow the rules because they are a poor player is the perfect reason to rate someone at -1,"
--[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] 04:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Bloodline Talk:Succession League Ratings

2009-10-12T04:10:37Z

Kelsa:

Reviews - Ability Rating point 1. 3.
"Not being able to follow the rules because they are a poor player is the perfect reason to rate someone at 1,"
Shouldn't that last part read as -1 instead? as:
"Not being able to follow the rules because they are a poor player is the perfect reason to rate someone at -1,"--[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] 04:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Bloodline Talk:Joining the Succession League

2009-10-11T20:19:57Z

Kelsa: /* Join */

=Join=
Post your decision to join, along with your wiki stamp if you have one, or just a nickname you can be known by. A Bay12 forum name is acceptable as well, and should be posted to the appropriate thread linked to the main joining page.

----

I'd like to join, but I'm on a Mac, so I guess I'd have to be in a separate league for any pass-along-the-savefile games, and possibly any worldgenned games? Compatibility across various versions/platforms is not well documented. [[User:Cheepicus|Cheepicus]] 02:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC) ("fleacircus" on forums)

----
I would also like to join. I'm totally new to Dwarf fortress. But I can see the potential for much fun and [[fun]] with a succession game. However I have the same problem as above; I'm using a Mac. --[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] 20:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC) (also "kelsa" on the forums)

=Wiki Communication=
To create indents, stack colons at the beginning of your paragraph like so
:<nowiki>:reply 1</nowiki>
::<nowiki>::next user's reply</nowiki>
:::<nowiki>:::next user's reply</nowiki>
This is the standard method of posting in the Wiki.

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal

2009-10-11T05:38:39Z

Kelsa: /* Do we detail pointlessly? */

Use this discussion page to talk about any issues or ideas you have about the direction of this wiki. The community portal is a hub for directing our conciousness. Read the rules carefully, take them to heart, post here if you have any questions or you think the rules can be improved.
{{Archive|
#[[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/archive1|Archive 1]]
}}
== Thoughts on {{rule|i}} - Diagrams ==

Isn't [[Template:RT]] really more complexity than we need? How about this?

<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
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</pre>{{-}}

Save the complex templates for when you actually need color

You can even drop the complexity further for a nice typewriter character set
<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
#####
#...#
#...+
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</pre>{{-}}

(I picked this particular size because it makes ░░░▒▒▒▓▓▓ look right in them, which makes it seem that it's the size the font is designed for. I picked this _font_ because it provides all of the CP437 characters. The actual style tag you see above could be moved to a template so it would look like <code><pre <nowiki>{{TD}}</nowiki>></code>)

[[User:Random832|Random832]] 20:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)

== Mod content in regular articles ==

"All mod content, it has been stated, should not appear in the regular articles." --[[User:Zchris13]], at [[Talk:Sand]] 
If I recall correctly, one guy stated that yesterday. Personally, I find it rather counter-DF: 
"In Dwarf Fortress, modding almost ''is'' vanilla." --[[User:Savok]], at the [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php forums] 
Opinions? Beliefs? Comments? Thoughts? Please, answer this, The Community! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:I'm probably the one who you're thinking of who stated it ;)
:#I don't think that modding is ''ever'' vanilla, no matter what the game, how mod-friendly the game is, or how many mods exist. Saying that it's incredibly common does not change the definition of the term "unmodded".
:#I think that modding information would be better served by putting it in one place. It's easier to figure out modding and/or find the information you need if it's all on one page (or a small number of pages). And if the information is there, why would you ''also'' put it on ''every single other article in the wiki''?
:#Whenever the ways something can be modded changes, every single article about that something would have to be changed. If a new way to mod metals, for example, was added, then every single metal article would have to be changed to reflect this.
:#tl;dr version: I think it would be horrifically redundant even by typical wiki standards and would never be maintained anyways (seriously, there are still pages that haven't been updated since the 2D version). And that's even before you think about whether it ''should'' be done at all.
:--[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:10, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

::Sorry, couldn't find it in all of yesterday's edits.
::#Yeah, I shouldn't go changing my definitions of words. What I mean is "modding is normal."
::#I agree partially, but, since light modding is normal and mainstream, it should go in normal and mainstream articles.
::#No, every article that mentioned metal-modding. And I don't think that there are too many non-modding articles that do.
::#TL/DR: I think that a little mentioning of modding (for example, stating in [[Sand]] that you can mod any soil into sand (although that's a bit obvious)) is fine, although I fully agree that all possible topic-related modding should not be mentioned.
::--[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I think I can live with that ;). Also, I appreciate the reformatting: I couldn't find the instructions on how to make such a list, though odds are it's right in front of me =( --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 19:41, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

== Heading gripe ==

I'd like to add to H that one shouldn't use heading sections of one = because it results in bad html coding and a title the size of the page name. It's also general practice on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections wikipedia]. Anyways, I thought I'd post something here before I go ahead and change it so I can at least pretend to have discussed it before hand. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 05:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Modding content ==
Is this, [[New_Plants]], really how we do it? Frankly, i found it a bit confusing at first. At least it should get a better header. --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 00:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== JavaScript seems disabled ==

The collapsible box doesn't seems collapsible anymore. I don't see the [show]/[hide] anymore either, since the wiki broke. Am I the only one with this trouble ? --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 01:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:Apparently it's fixed now, at least for me. I have found that my browser cache can screw with these things on other wikis so no reason why it wouldn't happen here. Javascript becomes disabled on client web browsers far more often than it does on web hosts/sites which previously allowed it. (Possibly belatedly I know.)[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Do we detail pointlessly? ==

As everyone knows, the wiki spoils everything about Dwarf Fortress. We have a spoiler-warning system, but it's quite disused. I think one guy said that it's pointless, because we need to put it on every page, because every page is a spoiler. We have a tendency to detail everything, much of which isn't helpful to newbies but ruins a little the delight a newbie can take in DF that no longer exists for us veterans.

For example, to quote the page [[woodcutter]], "Woodcutters are working outdoors where they are in constant danger of being [[ambush]]ed by invaders or attacked by wild animals (unless, of course, you are the proud owner of an [[Tower-cap#Underground_tree_farm|underground tree farm]]), but they are also one of the few civilian professions which carry [[weapons]] with them. Thus, it can be helpful to teach them how to use their axes to defend themselves (and others) properly by making them spend a few months as [[axedwarf]]s in your [[military]]."

Here, all that really should be noted is that woodcutting skill does not help in combat. Yes, another problem with the wiki as it is is that we often assume that newbies know a lot of stuff they don't, making even DFwiki have a steep learning curve - a bit ironic. Regardless, pointless detail such as in the above article not only does not help but hurts, making the wiki dry and boring.

I propose that we write into our little [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal|constitution]] a guideline to avoid such detail in addition to removing large amounts from the wiki, fixing the pages. Of course, this is a major undertaking, not to just be done. What do y'all think? Agree? Argue? Please do comment. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Wikis attract wikignomes who like to tinker and add information to articles until they are "complete". Attempting to define how much information can be added before an article is "over-complete" is pretty difficult.
:Is there a policy that this wiki must not spoil the game for new players?
:There are a lot of different reasons people read this wiki - it isn't just a hosted version of the wonderful instruction manual that is included with the game. Would [[computing]] be possible without collaboration (between players), which is nothing but spoiling?
:The answers would lie in either seperate articles, or some kind of template which hides information regarded as a spoiler.
:There is this option:
{| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Basic intrduction
|-
|Woodcutters cut down trees.
|-
|}
{| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Minor spoiler
|-
| They are one of a few civilian trades which involves carrying a weapon. In hostile areas you might want to consider training woodcutters as Axedwarves.
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{| class="collapsible" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
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|Another option on some maps is establishing an underground tree farm.
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:However that requires some knowledge of either wikimarkup or html - tbh I just cookbooked it and it took me a fair bit of messing around before I got it right the first time.
:Another option is, linked articles, where you go from [[Woodcutter (base)]] to [[Woodcutter (minor spoiler)]] to [[Woodcutter (major spoiler)]] - it would be easy enough to include (base) in (minor spoiler) and (minor spoiler) in (major spoiler).

:I think "enough" readers ''want'' the major spoilers that taking them out would "degrade" this wiki.
:[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

::I just re-read [[woodcutter]] in full. IMO the article builds nicely from the basic "how to cut trees" to more advanced gameplay strategy, such as "enable woodcutting on every outdoor worker so they all carry weapons". Personally I don't see that as being a good value strategy, for the work involved in equipping that many dwarves with axes you could have a fairly useful (specialised) millitary - but it isn't the first thing a spoiler-adverse reader stumbles over. If it was the first thing in the article it would be a far greater problem.[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:I'm going to agree with Garrie on this. Counting me, there's at least one person who would not have stuck with DF if he hadn't had access to a thorough DF reference library such as this. When a new player comes to this wiki, odds are they're looking to have ''something'' spoiled.
:One vote for 'Not Too Spoiled' --[[User:Njero|Njero]] 03:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry to have apparently been totally unclear... I don't want to take spoilers out! I think that there are a lot of things, like the example from woodcutter, that a player can figure out on his <s>on</s>own, which can be a lot more fun than being told all the fine details of fortress 1337. I do think it would be good to separate the spoilers more in some cases, but that's a totally different topic.
:For another example, I think we can agree that it is pointless to have a page telling how to dig a 1-tile channel pit and designate it as a Quantum Dump, given that you know how a Quantum Dump works. We used to have (still have? not sure) one of those. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 03:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

::I think your quantum dump page has been reincarnated at [[dwarven physics]]?
::OK I think I see these points:
::# there is no clear guideline how much spoiling "is alowed"
::# there is no clear guideline on how specific an article can get (scope vs depth)
::# there is no clear guideline on when a "spoiler alert" should be given.
::I think that guidelines are good, in general. The rules are a bit flexible as most of us expect given this is a game-wiki not an encyclopedia. I know you do a lot more admin-editing than anyone else put together so you (Savok) probably have a better 1,000 ft view of the size of this problem than everyone else. Having said that... I would err greatly on allowing pages which are "game-world correct" to remain, allowing pages which don't have (dreadful) spoilers in the lead section to not have "ugly" spoiler warnings, and if we can have articles on [[computing]] and [[Glowing pit]] then pretty much there is no aspect of the game which is off-limits to being exposed by spoilers.
::I'm also agreeing with Njero, that if I hadn't found this wiki as quickly as I did, with detailed (and spoilerific) content of things from "how to dig" to "how to fight" and "what's hard to fight"... I would probably have deleted the game within 2 days of downloading it. Some of us don't find the forum that helpful![[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 05:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
:::+1 what GI said. I read the wiki before starting - I, personally, hate the whole "trial and errour" thing from scratch, especially in a game where the wrong little mistake can mean GAME OVER. I'm average-bright, and I still found that a lot of the "detail" was lost on me, at least until I had experienced it (or nearly so.) HFS? Still haven't breached one yet (slow computer, and in no rush) - so I can parrot a lot about that, but really have no personal feel for it and still look forward to that experience (even if now I won't walk in blind to that particular practical joke). If I'd wanted a surprise, I'd have not read those articles (and would be someone else).

:::That said, I '''''do''''' find that many mid-experience and advanced articles do repeat basic concepts too much - the "how to dig a channel" for a quantum dump example, above. And over-link, etc. However, if a newb were to stumble on that page, altho' they aren't ready for the advanced stuff, they may wonder what the basic stuff is - and follow those links. So... I don't think it's over-detailed for anyone except those who know the game (i.e. "us"). For the newb, stumbling about on the wiki, they either ''want'' to read about it, or ''need'' to, or both. Less detail is fewer links, and less overall usefulness to the (self-filtering) target audience.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:We do not detail pointlessly. More spoiler warnings? Why not. The collapsibles might be a nice solution in many places. But no limits to the completeness of the wiki please. It's hard to figure out quite a bit of the more complex, and interesting, stuff like machinery on your own and quite a bit is counterintuitive too, like how levers work. It may be really neat if you think up using channels as moats yourself, but it still took me several tries to get a nice and working setup. Oh and bridges.. I still made so many mistakes ''after'' reading up on things. And as far as strategy goes, I have my own opinion on quite a few things said in the wiki, as do others, and often it's just those views that are put in the articles. Like I think its's fine to have your woodcutter ''not'' trained because an axe as such is a fine defense already. And knowing that, on some maps, with some effort, you can have an UG tree farm improves the fun (no, not [[fun]], '''fun'''). It's still hard and rewarding to actually ''do'' it.

:Information may be a bit (over-!)redundant here and there, yes, but I am confident this will clear out on itself by and by when articles are better organized to be read "in a row". Lastly, what we write here, especially the strategy bits, will be found just as readily in the forums. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 19:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

"Woodcutters are working outdoors where they are in constant danger of being ambushed by invaders or attacked by wild animals"

You want to delete that? Savok, You are a cruel man.

"(unless, of course, you are the proud owner of an underground tree farm),"

I'd really like to know how the first player figured tower caps out on his own. Mayor kudos to him, if, but i rather suspect toady dropped a hint. So do we.

"but they are also one of the few civilian professions which carry weapons with them."

Well, it should be obvious that the axe still works as weapon, too...hm...but it isn't. So we say it.

Thus, it can be helpful to teach them how to use their axes to defend themselves (and others) properly by making them spend a few months as axedwarfs in your military."

Okay this part could be reworded like you suggest: Woodcutting does not improve goblincutting. But wouldn't the information be the same? --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 21:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I know I'm a little late to this discussion; but as an honest to goodness newbie I've found the wiki invaluable as is. I've been playing DF for probably 3 weeks now. I attempted to dive right in and just play without reading the wiki or anything, just the actual in-game help. What a mistake that was! I couldn't even figure out how to turn down the volume on the in game music at first! (partly because on a lap top without a num-pad the numbers for up-down selection were less then intuitive). So far I've found most articles have just about the right amount of depth; although some could use some clarification). With the help of the wiki I discovered how many mistakes I really made on my first embark and how lucky I am to still have that fort nearly 7 dwarf years later. I almost had a lot of [[fun]] with lava; but a quick trip to the wiki made me realize all I needed was a constructed wall or door. That really saved my bacon. --[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] 05:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== A for Anonymity? ==

On at least [[Talk:Fortress_defense#Use_of_User_Names_in_Defense_Designs|one page]], the concept of "non-ownership" of wiki contributions has been agreed upon, that designs should not have User's names attached, and phrases like ''"I like to..."'' be changed to ''"Some users like to..."'' . Currently, the letter "[[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#A|A"]] is for "Alphabet" - hardly enlightening. I wouldn't mind seeing this slot used for a more formalized policy in this direction, to avoid repeating [[Talk:Bedroom_design#Personalisation?|this discussion]]. (Or is the alphabet thing now sacrosanct as is?) 
The applications of such "catch-all" pages are endless, especially as mod's become more and more prevalent both in-game and on this site.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Eh. For some things, we obviously want to give credit - [[tilesets]], for example. Personally, I would say that [[:File:Housing by Marble Dice.png|this bedroom design]] probably should be credited to Marble Dice. I don't think a policy that putting data here automatically makes ownership of it go to the wiki (and the wiki will make it anonymous) is a very useful one... --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::Not so much ownership - ''certainly'' not a release of rights to intellectual property in ''any'' legal sense - but more a de-emphasis of personal credit over contribution for contribution's sake. My name would be all over these pages, as would many others' - that would get old fast, and (possibly) encourage competition and possessiveness, rather than collaboration and contribution. But, as you say... eh. Just thought I'd ask.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:The thing that strikes me here is, it looks to me as though some of the designs (the fractals etc) have not been put here by the person who designed them. They were designed, discussed on a forum, then someone else thought they looked good and put them here.
:Even if that isn't right - the rest of the [[bedroom]] article reads as though that is how it happened. Until you get to the final entry - which in the original form looked very "owned".
:If you want to own something put it in user space. If you put it in article space expect it to get edited.
:I think that is the rule that needs to exist "somewhere", by nature wiki contributions aren't anonymous. [[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 00:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Category titles (capitalization) ==

Reviving [http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/archive1#Category_tags this] section from the archive, you'll see that our [[Special:Categories|categories]] page (also, Category:Templates) has so many capitalization inconsistencies it'll make your head spin. I propose Category:Formatting Templates as preferable to Category:Formatting templates though the existence of both shows that this needs to be addressed. 
Also, how do you wikilink to those catagory pages? Is it possible?--[[User:Rowenlemmings|Rowenlemmings]] 21:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:First I agree there should be a rule for naming categories, and as per "the" wiki, it should be "first letter of first word only capitalised unless there's a really good reason" (eg: <nowiki>[[Category:Toady One]]</nowiki> where the name of the category is a proper noun / "real name" ).
:<s>Secondly - Categories are "just" normal article pages with some magic behind them, link to them the same as any article. </s> oops I'm wrong let me check that.
:[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::To link to a category page put a colon ''':'''in front of the word Category in the <nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki> eg <nowiki>[[:Category:Wiki]]</nowiki> -> [[:Category:Wiki]][[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah hah, mystery solved.--[[User:Rowenlemmings|''Rowen'']][[User Talk:Rowenlemmings|(talk)]] 02:00, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

::While this is all well and good for new categories, renaming existing categories is much more difficult than renaming pages. With a page we can simply redirect, but to rename a category we need to go through each page in it and change the tag. This is a lot of work for relatively little gain. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Is there anyone around that can "borrow" a bot from "the other wiki" to do this kind of stuff? From my understanding a bot that
:::#scrapes [[:Bad Category Name]] for the list of articles
:::#scrapes [[:Bad Category Name]] for any actual content
:::#loads each article in turn
::::#searches for [[:Bad Category Name]]
::::#replaces [[:Bad Category Name]] with [[:Good category name]]
::::#saves the article
:::#Writes the content from [[:Bad Category Name]] to [[:Good category name]]
:::is relatively straight forward (as bots go).
:::I don't know anything about actually using bots but I know what they can do.
:::How big is this wiki without the media part anyway? I thought the other thing about wikis is it is "relatively easy" to d/l the whole thing as a flat file, make this kind of edit with a text editor, and write it back up. After checking to see if anyone has edited any of the pages of course ;) [[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 13:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

==Bottom or Top==
Not a big thing, but it seems we should have a rule whether new edits/sections in any non-article space should go at top or bottom of the page. Might also be added to the newbie welcome template. --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 21:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:Dunno if a rule is needed, most ppl quickly work out that the default action of the "+" magic button is to add a new section at the bottom of the page so this is how you "should" do it manually.[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

40d:Soldier

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Dwarves in your [[military]] will be one of the following types of '''soldiers'''. What type of soldier they are will be determined by whichever [[weapon]] they are most [[skill]]ed at using. All soldiers can carry [[shield]]s, regardless of what weapon they use. Weapon, armor, and squad choices are controlled from the Military screen ({{key|m}}). The dwarven military is organized via use of the [[squad]] system.

==Weapon & Military Skills==

In Fortress mode, any dwarf can be assigned any weapon and try to use it, with or without the skill - but the better the skill, the better the soldier. If a dwarf's highest skill is a weapons skill, that will determine the dwarf's [[profession]]. It's quite possible to order an axedwarf, or any untrained peasant, to pick up a short sword and order them to fight - they just won't be as good.

:* [[Axedwarf]]
:* [[Hammerdwarf]]
:* [[Macedwarf]]
:* [[Marksdwarf]]
:* [[Speardwarf]]
:* [[Swordsdwarf]]
:* [[Wrestler]]

:* [[Armor user]]
:* [[Shield user]]

Note that in Fortress Mode, dwarfs cannot wield knives or larger versions of the above weapons, nor can they learn the skills to do so.

== Training ==

Soldiers will train when not on duty. Marksdwarves will shoot at [[archery target]]s if they are correctly set up and you have wood or bone [[bolts]] available. Melee dwarves (including wrestlers) will [[sparring|spar]] with their weapons in a [[barracks]] if you have built one. For full information, see the article on [[sparring]].

== Squads ==

You may organize your dwarves into squads of troops through the {{k|m}}ilitary menu. Select the squad commander, then press {{k|Enter}}. Select another dwarf, and press {{k|Enter}} to add this dwarf to the first soldier's squad. When you are finished adding to a particular squad, use the {{k|Spacebar}} to end the assignments. Adding an unenlisted dwarf to a currently active squad will activate this new soldier. Adding dwarves to an inactive squad will not activate the squad.

You may also select sub-commanders in this manner, creating an established chain of command.

Active squads will stay close to the leader of their squad. If he takes a break to Eat or Drink, his squad will follow him. They will also follow him back to his bed if he goes to rest or heal. If a squad leader is hospitalized, the dwarves under his command will do nothing useful until he is healed, or a different leader is assigned. Squads will work towards a single goal -- if attacking an group of hostiles that scatter in several directions, the entire squad will follow one hostile.{{verify}}

=== Duty Roster ===

You must activate and deactivate your squads through the {{k|m}}ilitary menu's "{{k|v}}iew squad" sub-menu. Some dwarves will grow unhappy if left on patrol duty too long, and they will not have a chance to improve their skills. A squad that is off-duty will spar in a [[barracks]] or train at [[archery target]]s with wooden or bone bolts.

You may wish to design outdoor training areas so that your soldiers do not fall prey to [[Cave adaptation]].

=== Rations ===

You may also specify if the squad should carry food and water, using [[backpack]]s and [[waterskin]]s respectively, using the military menu.

== Soldier professions ==

Every weapon has an associated skill. Soldiers will have professions according to what [[Weapon damage|weapon]] they are most skilled at using, as long as they are at least a novice rank in one. Thus a soldier whose highest weapon skill is with a spear will be known as a Speardwarf, even if the soldier has been reassigned to train with an axe instead.

=== [[Marksdwarves]] ===

Marksdwarves, thought of as the wimpiest soldiers, are armed with [[crossbow]]s and deal pierce damage from afar. A [[bolt]] does a fine job at piercing the internal organs of a creature while also doing some damage to outside parts. This is of limited use against creatures without organs, such as [[Magma man|magma men]]. Occasionally a bolt will get stuck in a target. The only known use for this is that a [[wrestling]] dwarf may grab the bolt and twist it in the [[wound]].

A Marksdwarf who is forced into melee will use the [[hammer]] skill to bash enemies with their crossbow, so you may consider crosstraining them as hammerdwarves.

Immigrating [[Trapper]]s often arrive with a Novice Marksdwarf skill.

=== [[Speardwarves]] ===

Speardwarves specialize in pierce damage and will puncture an enemy's organs quickly and critically once in range. The spear doesn't hit as hard as an axe, but it has a higher chance of piercing organs, making it a better choice against large, living creatures like demons or dragons.

=== [[Axeman|Axedwarves]] ===

Axedwarves, thought by some to be the only true dwarven soldier, specialize in slash damage, also known as the fine art of mangling and severing limbs. This damage type is useful for taking away opponents' mobility and means of attack while eventually causing them to bleed to death on the ground. Battle axes move slower than swords but do more damage per stroke.

=== [[Swordsman|Swordsdwarves]] ===

Swordsdwaves deal both slash and pierce damage. Swords can cut off limbs, like an axe, but also reasonably good at hitting internal organs, like a spear.

=== [[Hammerman|Hammerdwarves]] ===

Hammerdwarves, the other true dwarven soldiers, specialize in blunt damage, which breaks the bones of the enemy and will often repel the enemy some distance, causing extra damage if they are bashed into a wall.

Human Hammermen use a two-handed maul instead of a war hammer. More powerful, mauls focus on breaking bones rather than mangling limbs, though that does also happen on the occasion. They have a greater chance to knock back an opponent than a mace does but comes at the cost of speed. Also should someone be knocked back into an obstacle, they'll take extra damage.

=== [[Maceman|Macedwarves]] ===

Macedwarves are exactly like hammerdwarves, but use a weapon with a different name and skill, though exactly the same in game terms. Assuming none of your weaponsmiths have a preference for maces, hammers are slightly better, since the hammer skill is also used by a marksman who has run out of bolts (he bashes enemies with his crossbow. This is the only time when it's good to have a metal crossbow, by the way.)

=== [[Wrestlers]] ===

Wrestlers focus on tying the opponent into knots, choking them, and breaking limbs. Creatures tied up in [[wrestling]] will do nothing else and remain immobile, perfect for a marksdwarf to pick off the creature at a range or an armed dwarf to carve into bite-sized pieces. Also note that this skill determines how much a dwarf will evade/dodge attacks, so it can be useful even for a dwarf with a weapon equipped. Wrestlers are much weaker than any other soldier type, but forcing powerful opponents to wrestle can exhaust them and make them easy prey for other soldiers.

Wrestler skill will be improved somewhat even while practicing with a weapon.

=== Recruits ===

Any dwarf without at least one of the above skills at [[skill|Novice]] level or better will be classified as recruits. If you keep them off duty, they will train at their selected weapon until they reach Novice skill in it, at which point they will turn into one of the above weaponsdwarves.

== Heroes and Champions ==
[[Image:Champions.png|thumb|left|Melee goblins are no match for a champion Axedwarf.]]
Once soldiers reach ''great'' [[skill]] level in any weapon (or wrestling), they will become '''heroes''', will be called Lord/Master/Elite, have a different colour shade and can no longer be removed from the military. Their "Pref" menu will be replaced by the text "This hero need not work", and you will not be able to deactivate them (make them civilians again), transfer them into or out of the [[Fortress Guard|Guard]], or assign work [[dog]]s to them. Note that armor user skill and shield user skills ''do not'' make a hero.

You can still change their weapon and armor settings via the {{key|m}}ilitary screen ({{key|w}}eapons), and to change their soldiering orders ({{key|v}}iew squad). Heroes in either the Fortress or Royal Guard cannot be given military orders via the Squads screen ({{key|x}}) and will become permanently useless. If you have any Expert, Professional, or Accomplished soldiers in the Guard, and don't wish them to be locked into the military, transfer them out. Alternatively, a dwarf on the verge of becoming a hero in one weapon skill can be assigned another weapon and will continue training there; the attribute bonuses from gaining each weapon skill do stack. This is one method of making a legendary shield user/armor user without making a hero. Heroes cannot trade, so it is advisable for your trader not to be given military training.

Upon reaching [[legendary]] skill level in any weapon, a hero will become a '''champion''', with the following [[announcement]]: <tt>"''<dwarfname>'' has become a legendary champion! Hail ''<dwarfname>''!"</tt>. Champions behave the same as heroes, although they are additionally exempt from the [[dwarven economy]], like all legendary dwarves. Champions cannot serve under heroes or normal soldiers, but willingly serve under other Champions.

:'''''Exception:''''' From observed behaviour, it seems that if a dwarf gains Great skill (or above) in a weapons skill while a civilian (as a [[Hunter]]), they will not become a Hero (or Champion), not even when Activated ''as'' military. To become a Hero or Champion, some experience over the limit must be gained ''while'' activated as a soldier. The only weapon skill can be improved while a civilian is [[Marksdwarf]], while [[Hunting]]. If the dwarf is then activated as military and gains any experience in a weapon that is at rank 15 or better, the dwarf becomes a Champion or Hero ("Elite Marksdwarf") as usual and cannot then be de-activated.

Heroes will gain a special job title related to their weapon proficiency (Hammer Lord, Axe Lord, etc.) Champions will use Champion as their job title regardless of weapon proficiency.

Once a dwarf becomes a Hero, his profession cannot change to become a hero of another weapon type and will not become a Champion until the original weapon skill reaches Legendary - for example, a Hammer Lord can train to become a Legendary Marksdwarf but will remain a Hammer Lord, only becoming a Champion once the Hammerdwarf skill is also trained to Legendary.

Only Heroes and Champions can wear [[artifact]] weapons and armor.

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'''See Also:'''

:* [[Weapons]]
:* [[Armour]]

{{Military FAQ}}

[[Category:Dwarves]]
[[Category:Military]]

User:Kelsa

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Kelsa:

Kelsa has been rather happy lately. She has discovered Dwarf Fortress recently.

Kelsa likes Macs, cats for their aloofness and the color lavender.

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My goal is to actually fix the small diagrams to follow [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#We_are_doing_this.21_Let_us_do_it_right.|Rule I]], and use [[Template:RT]] as many currently do not and render poorly in Safari and other browsers.
--[[User:Kelsa|Kelsa]] 01:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

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Kelsa has been rather happy lately. She has discovered Dwarf Fortress recently.