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v0.31 Talk:Skill

2010-08-07T14:02:36Z

Kogan Loloklam: /* Skill Rust */ new section

== Migrants ==

You can get migrants at any skill level, in any skill. I've got strand extractors before discovering adamantium, and legendary migrants before they've done any work.

== Teacher/Leader/Student ==

Are these related to the new military training system, or are they something else, like a general ability to learn? Or is the dwarf's learning ability based on his attributes? Would a dwarf with high leader skill be better at running a fortress, or is that for running a squad? --Kydo 14:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Toady said something about them being able to only teach weapon skills, and the general combat / dodging sort of abilities, so I don't think they have any other impact.

== Skill levels ==
Ok, I just took this from the 40d version, as I assume most of this wouldn't have changed, but I don't know how to check for the appropriate xp values. So far I think the order remained unchanged, except "No label" got replaced by "Adequate", and I'm relatively sure Dabbling through Competent are still correct, and Great through Legendary. I just put this here to reflect the "Adequate" change, and so anybody who knows how to check for the rest can update and put it into the wiki page, as it's lacking at the moment.
I added the question marks so people can remove them once they confirm the levels, and change the order if it is found to be different. --[[User:Ramperkash|Ramperkash]] 16:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC+2)

{| style="margin: 0 auto; border: 1px solid black; border-spacing: 0"
|-
| width="33%" style="border-right: 1px solid black;" |
{| width="100%"
! Level !! XP
|-
| Dabbling || align="right" | 1??
|-
| Novice || align="right" | 500??
|-
| Adequate || align="right" | 1100??
|-
| Competent || align="right" | 1800??
|-
| Skilled || align="right" | 2600??
|-
| Proficient || align="right" | 3500??
|-
| Talented || align="right" | 4500??
|}
| width="33%" style="border-right: 1px solid black;" |
{| width="100%"
! Level !! XP
|-
| Adept || align="right" | 5600??
|-
| Expert || align="right" | 6800??
|-
| Professional || align="right" | 8100??
|-
| Accomplished || align="right" | 9500??
|-
| Great || align="right" | 11000??
|-
| Master || align="right" | 12600??
|-
| High Master || align="right" | 14300??
|}
| width="33%" |
{| width="100%"
! Level !! XP
|-
| Grand Master || align="right" | 16100??
|-
| Legendary || align="right" | 18000??
|-
| Legendary+1 || align="right" | 20000??
|-
| Legendary+2 || align="right" | 22100??
|-
| Legendary+3 || align="right" | 24300??
|-
| Legendary+4 || align="right" | 26600??
|-
| Legendary+5 || align="right" | 29000??
|}
|}
:I can now confirm that the skill levels remained the same (up to Legendary at least), except that the "Adequate" prefix replaced the "No-label" one, and I still don't know how to test the xp values, might be able to check them in adventure mode. --[[User:Ramperkash|Ramperkash]] 17:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::They appear to be unchanged when I look at them in Dwarf Therapist. [[User:Garanis|Garanis]] 17:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::This would not go on this page, it would go on [[experience]].--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

A list of skill descriptors on this page would be useful and this table is as good as any, though perhaps the numbers aren't needed here [[User:Cpad|Cpad]] 02:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

==Quality Skills==
I've been trying to compose a list of skills where level affects quality modifiers, versus skills where level is otherwise important, versus skills where level only affects speed.

Affects Quality:
Architect (cannot have mood)
Mason
Engraver (cannot have mood)
Mechanic
Carpenter
Bowyer
Siege Engineer
Cook
Trapper (for making traps)
Weaponsmith
Armorsmith
Blacksmith
Metal Crafter
Bone Carver
Stone Crafter (though, who cares, amirite?)
Wood Crafter (even more useless)
Leatherworker
Weaver
Gem Cutter
Gem Setter

Otherwise Important:
Miner (get all them gems)
Planter (for fat stacks)
All medical
All military
Judge of Intent
Appraiser

Just speed:
Organizer
Record Keeper
Soap Maker
All others

This seems pretty final now, so I'mma go figure out how to make a table on this wiki. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 17:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

==skill penalties==
I'm pretty sure I've seen my legendary miners not dropping stone (or rough jewels, or ore), if they're exhausted, so it does seem to be a straight penalty. I'll add it to the article provisionally. Could someone else verify?

* Toady commented that as of 31.08, this should only apply to "starving" people (and presumably dehydrated) (comment at http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8). What have your mining experiences been in 31.08? -- [[User:Creidieki|Creidieki]] 05:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
**I was pretty confident that it was exhaustion, but it's entirely possible I mistook a brown arrow for a gray one.[[Special:Contributions/75.164.146.98|75.164.146.98]] 02:40, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

===Layout===
Could someone please edit the layout so that the skill levels is side-by-side with the skills available? Would make a much better page layout and easy reference at a glance. -[[User:Dezbro|Dezbro]] 03:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Skill Rust ==

I believe that Skill Rust should be incorporated into the Skill article of this Wiki, rather than having a separate article. -[[User:Kogan Loloklam|Kogan Loloklam]] 14:02, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Rusty

2010-08-07T13:58:50Z

Kogan Loloklam:

More research needs to be done to figure out how long it takes for a skill to become rusty or very rusty and what effects rustiness has on the skill itself --[[User:Tyg13|Tyg13]] 21:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
: It probably reduced the effective level. Also my doctor that I started a fort with is rusty in his skills after about two years -[[User:Dezbro|Dezbro]] 01:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:: I think Skill rust should be merged with the skills page.[[User:Kogan Loloklam|Kogan Loloklam]] 13:58, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name change request ==

This might be nit-picking, but "Rusty" doesn't sound like a good article title to me. I would prefer Rust or Skill Rust, something that's a noun as the article title, with Rusty redirecting to it. I find it somewhat jarring, because I've never noticed a non-noun article title before, unless you want to count noun/verbs like "mining". [[User:Monkeyfetus|Monkeyfetus]] 21:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

40d Talk:Organizer

2008-04-02T22:06:36Z

Kogan Loloklam: Skill Gain in v0.27.176.38c.

This circular reasoning is painful.. "The manager uses the Organizer skill" which links to "The organizer skill is used by the manager" [[User:Serjndestroy|Serjndestroy]] 11:46, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Does a manager gain skill per task he validates? Or is it task times quantity?--[[User:Varsashi|Varsashi]] 19:26, 6 December 2007 (EST)
:Not sure on this one, but my Manager seems to take a lot longer to verify larger orders. It may be a fixed point gain per task validated, but the increasing legth of time to validate an order the bigger it is suggests it might be affected by quantity too (otherwise you could powerlevel you manager setting 30 1-unit orders instead of a single 30-unit one).
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== Skill Gain in v0.27.176.38c. ==

I have personally tested the skill gain in v0.27.176.38c. Work orders provide 10 skill points per item in the order. Therefore 30 one items and one 30 item gives the same amount of skill, 300.

40d:Organizer

2008-04-02T22:04:22Z

Kogan Loloklam: Added the skill gain information gained from my personal experements in v0.27.176.38c.

{{Skill
| color = #f0f
| skill = Organizer
| speciality = Manager
| profession = Administrator
| job name = Noble/Admin
| tasks =
* Manage Work Orders
}}
The '''organizer''' [[skill]] is used by the [[Manager|manager]] [[Nobles|noble]] to manage work orders in the Manager menu. Work orders will not be started until they are "verified" by the manager. However, until your population reaches 20, the manager doesn't need an office, and all orders are verified as soon as they are issued.

Greater skill allows faster work order verification. {{verify}}

<br />Gained by:
*Performing the "Manage Work Orders" task when in an [[office]].{{verify}}
*Work orders provide 10*(number of items in order) of skill points to organizer skill

[[Category:Skills]][[Category:Noble Skills]]