https://dwarffortresswiki.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=LrZephDwarf Fortress Wiki - User contributions [en]2026-08-03T16:42:46ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.11https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d_Talk:River&diff=2638540d Talk:River2008-09-02T07:55:19Z<p>LrZeph: </p>
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<div>I think the image should be edited... the light blue rivers are streams, not brooks. Brooks are actually invisible on the region map, only visible on local. Only a minor issue though, but it can cause confusion. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 16:49, 16 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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===2967067655===<br />
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The "cave river" in seed 2967067655 is a short segment enclosed in solid rock, that comes from nowhere and "falls away" into open space at both ends - open space that doesn't extend to the level below. Is this typical of 0.27.169.33? If so, I'll have to put all my cave river plans off to a future version. [[User:Kidinnu|Kidinnu]] 09:54, 14 November 2007 (EST)<br />
:That sounds very strange. The cave rivers I've seen are sourced from a "mysterious area" and usually either continue off the map or fall off the bottom. They also tend to go through several lowerings of their elevation. Are you sure you fully explored it? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:03, 14 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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I don't know where this should be mentioned, but there is a huge difference on my machine between FPS on maps with brooks and maps with rivers. I've got a 3.4ghz and 2 gig ram, and my FPS on a map with a river drops to 15-20 right off the bat, where it stays in the high 50's until 30-40 dwarves with only a brook. -- unsigned, but written by Gotthard, according to page history.<br />
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I added a bit about temporarily draining and permanently damming rivers and linked to a movie I recorded of doing just that. I think there are ways that would be easier on the dwarves and less micromanagey - one way, perhaps, may be to blast a 3-wide section of the river floor, instead of a 1-wide one, and then build floors in the middle column, and then build floodgates on top of those - that should keep the pesky backflow (which made installing the floodgates so arduous) from interfering with the damming. --[[User:SL|SL]] 00:28, 30 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Draining brooks ==<br />
<br />
I made following experiment: <br />
<br />
*1. Built a bridge over brook, the brook flowed from left to right<br />
*2. Built walls for the bridge<br />
*3. channeled under right wall<br />
*4. I then removed floors between walls of the bridge so that walls would fall in the brook<br />
<br />
Purpose of this experiment was to drain the river. I made two walls to see what happens when I drop wall on the brook tile, and when I drop walls on brook tile that has been dug out. I was expecting to see my left wall intact on the brook, like if I had built the wall right on top of brook tile. And to see my right wall intact at the bottom of the brook where I had channeled out the brook. <br />
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Both walls fell to the bottom of brook and fell apart into blocks I had used to build the walls. This wasn't such a terrible surprise to me. What was a surprise was that the walls which had fell through walkable brook tiles had "broken" the brook. The game now seems to handle those tiles like they were ending the brook. Water pours in from both ends and simply disappears.<br />
<br />
Basically this could be used to create more tiles for water to pour out of map...<br />
<br />
--[[User:Athan|Athan]] 13:17, 15 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Unfound Underwater River ==<br />
<br />
on my old fortress i used to have alot of 'Deceased' creatures like snakemen and lizardmen popping up on the Creatures Menu. Why are they popping up when i can't see the underground river?<br />
<br />
Its an exploit (i think), wait a season then zoom to a body part of these dead creatures<br />
and dig to that location to uncover it.<br />
~~LrZeph~~</div>LrZephhttps://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d_Talk:River&diff=2638440d Talk:River2008-09-02T07:54:48Z<p>LrZeph: </p>
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<div>I think the image should be edited... the light blue rivers are streams, not brooks. Brooks are actually invisible on the region map, only visible on local. Only a minor issue though, but it can cause confusion. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 16:49, 16 November 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
===2967067655===<br />
<br />
The "cave river" in seed 2967067655 is a short segment enclosed in solid rock, that comes from nowhere and "falls away" into open space at both ends - open space that doesn't extend to the level below. Is this typical of 0.27.169.33? If so, I'll have to put all my cave river plans off to a future version. [[User:Kidinnu|Kidinnu]] 09:54, 14 November 2007 (EST)<br />
:That sounds very strange. The cave rivers I've seen are sourced from a "mysterious area" and usually either continue off the map or fall off the bottom. They also tend to go through several lowerings of their elevation. Are you sure you fully explored it? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:03, 14 November 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
I don't know where this should be mentioned, but there is a huge difference on my machine between FPS on maps with brooks and maps with rivers. I've got a 3.4ghz and 2 gig ram, and my FPS on a map with a river drops to 15-20 right off the bat, where it stays in the high 50's until 30-40 dwarves with only a brook. -- unsigned, but written by Gotthard, according to page history.<br />
<br />
I added a bit about temporarily draining and permanently damming rivers and linked to a movie I recorded of doing just that. I think there are ways that would be easier on the dwarves and less micromanagey - one way, perhaps, may be to blast a 3-wide section of the river floor, instead of a 1-wide one, and then build floors in the middle column, and then build floodgates on top of those - that should keep the pesky backflow (which made installing the floodgates so arduous) from interfering with the damming. --[[User:SL|SL]] 00:28, 30 November 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Draining brooks ==<br />
<br />
I made following experiment: <br />
<br />
*1. Built a bridge over brook, the brook flowed from left to right<br />
*2. Built walls for the bridge<br />
*3. channeled under right wall<br />
*4. I then removed floors between walls of the bridge so that walls would fall in the brook<br />
<br />
Purpose of this experiment was to drain the river. I made two walls to see what happens when I drop wall on the brook tile, and when I drop walls on brook tile that has been dug out. I was expecting to see my left wall intact on the brook, like if I had built the wall right on top of brook tile. And to see my right wall intact at the bottom of the brook where I had channeled out the brook. <br />
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Both walls fell to the bottom of brook and fell apart into blocks I had used to build the walls. This wasn't such a terrible surprise to me. What was a surprise was that the walls which had fell through walkable brook tiles had "broken" the brook. The game now seems to handle those tiles like they were ending the brook. Water pours in from both ends and simply disappears.<br />
<br />
Basically this could be used to create more tiles for water to pour out of map...<br />
<br />
--[[User:Athan|Athan]] 13:17, 15 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Unfound Underwater River ==<br />
<br />
on my old fortress i used to have alot of 'Deceased' creatures like snakemen and lizardmen popping up on the Creatures Menu. Why are they popping up when i can't see the underground river?<br />
<br />
Its an exploit (i think), wait a season then zoom to a body part of these dead creatures and dig to that location to uncover it.<br />
~~LrZeph~~</div>LrZephhttps://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d_Talk:Challenges&diff=2250640d Talk:Challenges2008-06-23T05:12:15Z<p>LrZeph: </p>
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<div>==Sparta==<br />
"You shouldn't create chainmail or plate armour."<br />
<br>why? --Savok <br />
:because spartans don't wear chest armor. you should definately watch 300, it's like Dwarf Fortress on crack! --AlexFili <br />
::from what I've read, 300 isn't an accurate depiction of Spartan life. However, this challenge build is based on 300 --Savok<br />
:::Alright, fair point, 300 was based from a graphic novel, but many similarities between Spartans in 300 and in real history are present. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:39, 9 June 2008 (EDT) <br />
::::"However, this challenge build is based on 300" No it isn't. At least, it wasn't intended to be. I guess I shouldn't have referred to pop culture when I added it. --juckto<br />
:::::The hell with it. Split off spartans from 300. [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 16:55, 14 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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==No mining==<br />
Now that you construct walls and fortifications out of wood, I wonder if anyone is going to take on a 'no mining' challenge? You're going to need a ''lot'' of wood! --[[User:Mechturk|Mechturk]] 17:00, 6 November 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Some people already are :p --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:44, 6 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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==Assassination==<br />
I tried "Assassination" the other day and found that it was incredibly easy with a group of axedwarves. Not only did I kill the hardest-to-get-at goblin, I killed every last other goblin too. In the end, there were only 2 dogs and 2 dwarves dead (the last one fell, sadly, to the last goblin left, who was hiding in the tunnels.--[[User:Smoking Gnu|Smoking Gnu]] 22:51, 15 December 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Now do it with 7 untrained dwarves with no armor. --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 19:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Humanlike? ==<br />
It should be noted that the 'human-like fortress' as described is historically inaccurate. In particular, its either misrepresenting or confusing various details. One major point is that a _castle_ never incorporated a town. There are walled towns and there are castles, but these are entirely different things. A couple of historical periods/styles would lead to the following different suggestions:<br />
<br />
(A) Larger (stone) medieval castles sometimes had industry in the bailey. This was often pressed up against the outer wall to save on space and wall building. It was usually militarily useful industry (ie, metalsmithing of various types). Cooking and possibly brewing might also happen, and cooking at least would have been handled in the keep itself. Industries including jewelry, carpentry (on a permanent basis), and other non-military production would have been outside the castle, quite possibly in a town nearby. <br />
<br />
(B) More isolated smaller castles would have done necessary production in the bailey on a temporary basis (ie, erecting a carpentry work area when needed and disassembling it afterwards), with a few permanent industries (notably blacksmithing).<br />
<br />
(C) 'Dark Ages' castles would be made of wood, and weren't large enough to accomodate much industry. Instead they would have imported everything. The early castle was a defensible home for the lord and his family, and would only house them and a few military retainers.<br />
<br />
It should be noted that the lack of focus on industry in a castle meant diverse tasks might share the same workspace and in fact be handled by the same person. The purpose of a castle is military, not production, and castle's only produced goods for internal demand that either could not be imported, would be inconvenient to import, or were critical to the military purpose (and couldn't afford access to those goods being lost during a siege).<br />
<br />
(D) A walled town would have no keep. Nobles would not live there. Basically, towns would build a wall around their perimeter for defense. More important towns often grew to encompass nearby castles, and often outgrew their walls - which might either lead to substantial portions beyond the walls or accruing walls occasionally to encompass new growth. Despite a castle potentially being encompassed by a town, the castle and town were administratively separate - towns receiving independent charters from the crown - and the town was never subject to the lord of the castle (who may well control the surrounding countryside).<br />
<br />
Given the nature of Dwarf Fortress, treating it as a town rather than a castle is probably preferable unless you really want to emphasize military skills, which could be interesting. You could, of course, create a castle and a town, keeping them as virtually separate entities, with military dwarves and nobles living in the castle and other dwarves living in the town.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 18:11, 30 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:When did we start trying to make DF fit real-world history?<br />
:His idea seems perfectly fine when compared to in-game human towns/cities, as they have a keep and whatnot as part of the city. Only difference is adding a wall around it all. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 18:25, 30 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Insane Renegade (just a thought) ==<br />
<br />
Well I was thinking something along these lines,<br />
<br />
They all think that your crazy, so you and some others ran. You shouldn't trust them... They want you dead. Except for the (random profession/job) they think like you. KILL THEM KILL ALL THAT OPPOSE YOU!!,<br />
<br />
Description:<br />
Xenophobia, Do not trade with others, Kill all immigrants except ones of a certain job/profession. If you want to go as a truly insane person, ban all statues and engravings of Dwarven faces (the statues, THE ROCKS! THEY ALL WANT ME DEAD!!!!) Be prepared for a long life of hatred and sieges.<br />
<br />
~LrZeph~<br />
<br />
P.S. if anyone edits this and puts it on the main thing please give me partial credit... Thank you and goodnight!<br />
<br />
:How is this different from [[Challenges#Outcast|Outcast]], aside from the RP? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 16:41, 22 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Oh dear, i missed that one. never mind<br />
<br />
~LrZeph~ 15:11 23 June 2008</div>LrZephhttps://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d_Talk:Challenges&diff=2250440d Talk:Challenges2008-06-21T02:18:34Z<p>LrZeph: Insane Renegade (just a thought)</p>
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<div>==Sparta==<br />
"You shouldn't create chainmail or plate armour."<br />
<br>why? --Savok <br />
:because spartans don't wear chest armor. you should definately watch 300, it's like Dwarf Fortress on crack! --AlexFili <br />
::from what I've read, 300 isn't an accurate depiction of Spartan life. However, this challenge build is based on 300 --Savok<br />
:::Alright, fair point, 300 was based from a graphic novel, but many similarities between Spartans in 300 and in real history are present. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:39, 9 June 2008 (EDT) <br />
::::"However, this challenge build is based on 300" No it isn't. At least, it wasn't intended to be. I guess I shouldn't have referred to pop culture when I added it. --juckto<br />
:::::The hell with it. Split off spartans from 300. [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 16:55, 14 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==No mining==<br />
Now that you construct walls and fortifications out of wood, I wonder if anyone is going to take on a 'no mining' challenge? You're going to need a ''lot'' of wood! --[[User:Mechturk|Mechturk]] 17:00, 6 November 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Some people already are :p --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:44, 6 November 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Assassination==<br />
I tried "Assassination" the other day and found that it was incredibly easy with a group of axedwarves. Not only did I kill the hardest-to-get-at goblin, I killed every last other goblin too. In the end, there were only 2 dogs and 2 dwarves dead (the last one fell, sadly, to the last goblin left, who was hiding in the tunnels.--[[User:Smoking Gnu|Smoking Gnu]] 22:51, 15 December 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Now do it with 7 untrained dwarves with no armor. --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 19:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Humanlike? ==<br />
It should be noted that the 'human-like fortress' as described is historically inaccurate. In particular, its either misrepresenting or confusing various details. One major point is that a _castle_ never incorporated a town. There are walled towns and there are castles, but these are entirely different things. A couple of historical periods/styles would lead to the following different suggestions:<br />
<br />
(A) Larger (stone) medieval castles sometimes had industry in the bailey. This was often pressed up against the outer wall to save on space and wall building. It was usually militarily useful industry (ie, metalsmithing of various types). Cooking and possibly brewing might also happen, and cooking at least would have been handled in the keep itself. Industries including jewelry, carpentry (on a permanent basis), and other non-military production would have been outside the castle, quite possibly in a town nearby. <br />
<br />
(B) More isolated smaller castles would have done necessary production in the bailey on a temporary basis (ie, erecting a carpentry work area when needed and disassembling it afterwards), with a few permanent industries (notably blacksmithing).<br />
<br />
(C) 'Dark Ages' castles would be made of wood, and weren't large enough to accomodate much industry. Instead they would have imported everything. The early castle was a defensible home for the lord and his family, and would only house them and a few military retainers.<br />
<br />
It should be noted that the lack of focus on industry in a castle meant diverse tasks might share the same workspace and in fact be handled by the same person. The purpose of a castle is military, not production, and castle's only produced goods for internal demand that either could not be imported, would be inconvenient to import, or were critical to the military purpose (and couldn't afford access to those goods being lost during a siege).<br />
<br />
(D) A walled town would have no keep. Nobles would not live there. Basically, towns would build a wall around their perimeter for defense. More important towns often grew to encompass nearby castles, and often outgrew their walls - which might either lead to substantial portions beyond the walls or accruing walls occasionally to encompass new growth. Despite a castle potentially being encompassed by a town, the castle and town were administratively separate - towns receiving independent charters from the crown - and the town was never subject to the lord of the castle (who may well control the surrounding countryside).<br />
<br />
Given the nature of Dwarf Fortress, treating it as a town rather than a castle is probably preferable unless you really want to emphasize military skills, which could be interesting. You could, of course, create a castle and a town, keeping them as virtually separate entities, with military dwarves and nobles living in the castle and other dwarves living in the town.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 18:11, 30 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:When did we start trying to make DF fit real-world history?<br />
:His idea seems perfectly fine when compared to in-game human towns/cities, as they have a keep and whatnot as part of the city. Only difference is adding a wall around it all. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 18:25, 30 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Insane Renegade (just a thought) ==<br />
<br />
Well I was thinking something along these lines,<br />
<br />
They all think that your crazy, so you and some others ran. You shouldn't trust them... They want you dead. Except for the (random profession/job) they think like you. KILL THEM KILL ALL THAT OPPOSE YOU!!,<br />
<br />
Description:<br />
Xenophobia, Do not trade with others, Kill all immigrants except ones of a certain job/profession. If you want to go as a truly insane person, ban all statues and engravings of Dwarven faces (the statues, THE ROCKS! THEY ALL WANT ME DEAD!!!!) Be prepared for a long life of hatred and sieges.<br />
<br />
~LrZeph~<br />
<br />
P.S. if anyone edits this and puts it on the main thing please give me partial credit... Thank you and goodnight!</div>LrZephhttps://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d_Talk:Bridge&diff=3827440d Talk:Bridge2008-06-20T07:52:11Z<p>LrZeph: </p>
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<div>Does a raised bridge prevent the flow of fluids? Guess I'll experiment and see if I can answer my own question. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)<br />
:Yes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:55, 1 March 2008 (EST)<br />
<br />
<br />
Here's a picture of a bridge that raises South, to clear up any confusion over which direction bridges raise. [[User:Basilisk|Basilisk]] 18:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Items... ==<br />
<br />
When a creature is crushed by a bridge, what happens to the items they had?--[[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]<br />
<br />
:When the bridge lowers, it completely ans permanently destroys anything it crashes on. So, there will be absolutely nothing under bridge, when it raises back.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Not true! I had trapped a goblin inside a room with a bridge in it, and set the lever connected to the bridge to be repeatedly pulled. The goblin was stunned at most.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 09:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::The goblin was likely ''flung'' from the bridge after stepping onto the extended bridge which then raised with the goblin still on it. Crushing is definitely an irrevocable and utter destruction. --[[User:JT|JT]] 16:30, 20 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Channeling ==<br />
<br />
Checked the [[channel]]ing article, nothing there, either. I have a bridge that raises to the right to form a wall, part of my outer defensive perimeter. I was digging a channel around the fortification wall and wanted to channel under the bridge. I raised the bridge ... I cannot channel. It never creates the flashy 'this is gonna be channeled' designation anywhere where the bridge could lay over. I can channel any where else. I can also remove the bridge, channel what I want, and replace the bridge just fine. What gives? Is this a known bug? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:35, 29 May 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:As far as I know you can't dig on constructions. When the bridge is raised it is still considered to be constructed there. (or something like that) I had the same problem with some retracting bridges. To fix it I just removed the bridges and dug the channels, and then rebuilt them. --[[User:Lotus|Lotus]] 10:13 (CST) June 11, 2008<br />
<br />
== Bridges as a temporary wall ==<br />
<br />
I want to build a wall by pulling a lever, to block off a tunnel three squares wide.<br />
It is a mine tunnel with no channel above it.<br />
<br />
How long should the bridge be?<br />
<br />
It looks like this:<br />
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▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒<br />
</nowiki></div><br />
<br />
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
Well, you have to be careful. Don't forget, by raising a bridge, you can potentially obliterate your dwarves in the process. So try not to make it too wide. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:41, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:My question is, if I make it too long will it smash into the roof or anything?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::As far as I know of, it won't smash into the roof. The only concern is that if the bridge is too long, a dwarf may get accidently crushed. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:14, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::Buildings that span multiple/variable z-levels are, at the current time, not possible. So, just build a 1x3 bridge, set it to raise west or east, and you have a wall! A toggleable wall! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::I'd suggest doing a 2x bridge, as you'll have to track down the lever anytime you're curious as to whether the bridge is up or down, as a 1x or x1 bridge looks the same raised or lowered when raised on it's short axis. (e.g. the bridge above would look the same raised or lowered.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Retractable/drawbridge ==<br />
<br />
How can you specify which type of bridge you want to build? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:When you go to place a bridge, by default it retracts. If you press wadxs you change the direction it raises: w = north, a= west, d=east, x=south, s=retracts. I don't know how to set the direction it retracts though.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::So if it retracts, it creates an impassable wall? -[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::No, it disappears. If it raises, it creates an impassable wall, whose direction is the same as the raise direction. Try it out.<br />
:::And, Garrie, it isn't possible to set retract direction since there is no such thing. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::Well I guess it doesn't really matter which way it retracts... although if a bridge is built outward from a cliff running east-west out to the chasm which is to the north then obviously the bridge retracts back to the edge it is anchored at (it can hardly retract back into mid-air...).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::Oh, really? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:32, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::::well I guess applying common sense to DF might not be the best idea... but common sense would [bold]suggest [/bold] the bridge retracts back to where it was built from.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::::We don't use BBcode here. I don't think that even is BBcode, but it is in that style. To make '''bold text''', type <code><nowiki>'''bold text'''</nowiki></code>.<br />
:::::::And you're right that applying common sense to DF doesn't work. Even the least of peasants can carry thousands of pounds pebbles in a backpack. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:06, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Bridge-on-bridge action ==<br />
<br />
I've just added a note about retractable bridges being able to be built using existing bridges as support. However I'm currently unable to test what happens when an intermediary bridge is retracted or raised (I have no stone for mechanisms!). I'm assuming that any bridges relying on the retracted/raised bridge for support will collapse, but it should be tested (and noted), if someone else has the time and inclination! [[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 12:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: I can confirm that when the first bridge is retracted the second one deconsructs. And also if you choose to do your testing using extreme cliffs and "accidently" make 6 of your 7 dwarves stand on the second bridge then they will die a horrible death after falling 18 stories. --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 16:54, 16 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::What if you raise both of the bridges at the same time? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:48, 17 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== lockdown system ==<br />
<br />
in one of my old forts i had a setup so if the opponent got near my bridges a lever would be pulled and the opponents would fall into the lava with a godlike imp in it, it would use multiple bridges however and i would have to rebuild atleast 1, it was sort of like a tesselation of crosses</div>LrZephhttps://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d_Talk:Bridge&diff=3827340d Talk:Bridge2008-06-20T07:50:52Z<p>LrZeph: lockdown system</p>
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<div>Does a raised bridge prevent the flow of fluids? Guess I'll experiment and see if I can answer my own question. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)<br />
:Yes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:55, 1 March 2008 (EST)<br />
<br />
<br />
Here's a picture of a bridge that raises South, to clear up any confusion over which direction bridges raise. [[User:Basilisk|Basilisk]] 18:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Items... ==<br />
<br />
When a creature is crushed by a bridge, what happens to the items they had?--[[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]<br />
<br />
:When the bridge lowers, it completely ans permanently destroys anything it crashes on. So, there will be absolutely nothing under bridge, when it raises back.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::Not true! I had trapped a goblin inside a room with a bridge in it, and set the lever connected to the bridge to be repeatedly pulled. The goblin was stunned at most.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 09:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::The goblin was likely ''flung'' from the bridge after stepping onto the extended bridge which then raised with the goblin still on it. Crushing is definitely an irrevocable and utter destruction. --[[User:JT|JT]] 16:30, 20 April 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Channeling ==<br />
<br />
Checked the [[channel]]ing article, nothing there, either. I have a bridge that raises to the right to form a wall, part of my outer defensive perimeter. I was digging a channel around the fortification wall and wanted to channel under the bridge. I raised the bridge ... I cannot channel. It never creates the flashy 'this is gonna be channeled' designation anywhere where the bridge could lay over. I can channel any where else. I can also remove the bridge, channel what I want, and replace the bridge just fine. What gives? Is this a known bug? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:35, 29 May 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:As far as I know you can't dig on constructions. When the bridge is raised it is still considered to be constructed there. (or something like that) I had the same problem with some retracting bridges. To fix it I just removed the bridges and dug the channels, and then rebuilt them. --[[User:Lotus|Lotus]] 10:13 (CST) June 11, 2008<br />
<br />
== Bridges as a temporary wall ==<br />
<br />
I want to build a wall by pulling a lever, to block off a tunnel three squares wide.<br />
It is a mine tunnel with no channel above it.<br />
<br />
How long should the bridge be?<br />
<br />
It looks like this:<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre; line-height: 126.5%"><nowiki><br />
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ò▒▒▒<br />
.........╥.........<br />
.........║.........<br />
.........╨.........<br />
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒<br />
</nowiki></div><br />
<br />
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
Well, you have to be careful. Don't forget, by raising a bridge, you can potentially obliterate your dwarves in the process. So try not to make it too wide. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:41, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:My question is, if I make it too long will it smash into the roof or anything?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::As far as I know of, it won't smash into the roof. The only concern is that if the bridge is too long, a dwarf may get accidently crushed. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:14, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::Buildings that span multiple/variable z-levels are, at the current time, not possible. So, just build a 1x3 bridge, set it to raise west or east, and you have a wall! A toggleable wall! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::I'd suggest doing a 2x bridge, as you'll have to track down the lever anytime you're curious as to whether the bridge is up or down, as a 1x or x1 bridge looks the same raised or lowered when raised on it's short axis. (e.g. the bridge above would look the same raised or lowered.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Retractable/drawbridge ==<br />
<br />
How can you specify which type of bridge you want to build? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:When you go to place a bridge, by default it retracts. If you press wadxs you change the direction it raises: w = north, a= west, d=east, x=south, s=retracts. I don't know how to set the direction it retracts though.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::So if it retracts, it creates an impassable wall? -[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::No, it disappears. If it raises, it creates an impassable wall, whose direction is the same as the raise direction. Try it out.<br />
:::And, Garrie, it isn't possible to set retract direction since there is no such thing. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::Well I guess it doesn't really matter which way it retracts... although if a bridge is built outward from a cliff running east-west out to the chasm which is to the north then obviously the bridge retracts back to the edge it is anchored at (it can hardly retract back into mid-air...).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::Oh, really? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:32, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
::::::well I guess applying common sense to DF might not be the best idea... but common sense would [bold]suggest [/bold] the bridge retracts back to where it was built from.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:::::::We don't use BBcode here. I don't think that even is BBcode, but it is in that style. To make '''bold text''', type <code><nowiki>'''bold text'''</nowiki></code>.<br />
:::::::And you're right that applying common sense to DF doesn't work. Even the least of peasants can carry thousands of pounds pebbles in a backpack. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:06, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Bridge-on-bridge action ==<br />
<br />
I've just added a note about retractable bridges being able to be built using existing bridges as support. However I'm currently unable to test what happens when an intermediary bridge is retracted or raised (I have no stone for mechanisms!). I'm assuming that any bridges relying on the retracted/raised bridge for support will collapse, but it should be tested (and noted), if someone else has the time and inclination! [[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 12:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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: I can confirm that when the first bridge is retracted the second one deconsructs. And also if you choose to do your testing using extreme cliffs and "accidently" make 6 of your 7 dwarves stand on the second bridge then they will die a horrible death after falling 18 stories. --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 16:54, 16 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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::What if you raise both of the bridges at the same time? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:48, 17 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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in one of my old forts i had a setup so if the opponent got near my bridges a lever would be pulled and the opponents would fall into the lava with a godlike imp in it</div>LrZephhttps://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d_Talk:Expedition_leader&diff=2847840d Talk:Expedition leader2008-06-19T06:05:05Z<p>LrZeph: choosing,</p>
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<div>Is it known if a dwarf's personality traits currently affect their social skills?<br/>&mdash;[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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== choosing, ==<br />
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for me the one who is chosen is the first dwarf, is this for anyone else?</div>LrZeph