Bloodline Talk:Succession League

2009-10-08T06:59:19Z

Morinon:

Discuss League rules, policies, games, players.<br />
Link to game forums/reports, player pages, downloads (many of these functions will be moved to separate game pages later, and I believe personal pages already exist for forum members.) <br />

You do not need to be a wiki member to play, but it will help everyone who is trying to identify you. You do, however, need to be a League "Member" to be listed among available players and to be rated. It's none of my business if you want to include non-Members in your games, but they will not be rated nor be able to rate Members.<br />

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So, what do you think? What do you want to change? Who wants to start a game?

This is DWR, my login here is Morinon, yay two internet handles. I'm not quite sure I could start one, but if someone else will...

40d Talk:Refined coal

2009-07-18T23:47:28Z

Morinon: /* Change? */ new section

Maybe the articles on charcoal and coke should be merged with this page on fuel since all three pages basically say the same thing. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 18:00, 22 November 2007 (EST)

== Starting things off ==

Somehow this needs to be adjusted to show that to kick start your smelter you need some coal... or is there some other way of getting from bituminous coal to coke? fan I use some other furnace to get started? (I have plenty of wood, "rock" and bituminous coal but no "coal" or magma).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:27, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:it already says "(fuel will be needed to power this at a normal smelter)" for the bituminous coal to coke reaction in the article. turn that wood into charcoal and use it to turn the bituminous coal to coke [[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:55, 8 January 2008 (EST)

::All right... someone at a different page said I needed '''coal''' and I couldn't find "just coal" mentioned ANYWHERE, hence my confusion.
::So I need to "process" wood to get "charcoal". Will see how I go, thanks.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:18, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Is wood burning a skill? ==

I cant seem to find it on the [[skill]] page. Either that or this one should be changed
:Wood Burner at the bottom of the Farmer section. It's there :) --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:02, 8 January 2008 (EST)
::Oops, my bad. Sorry --[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 17:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Block template ==

Over at [[Lignite]] there is a pretty little box which looks like:
{{Stone|name=Lignite|tile=*|color=#888
|uses =
* 2 [[coke]] at [[smelter]]
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as veins
|properties =
* Can [[ignite]]
* [[Economic stone]]
* [[Material value]] 1}}

It would be nice if there was one here too.

Secondly, what I would like to do on [[Lignite]] and [[Bituminous coal]] is have a pictorial formula which says:
l [[lignite]] + 1 [[coal]] = 2 [[coke]]
( it would be like :
{{key|l}}{{key|l}} + {{key|c}} = {{key|a}} but with pictures of the tiles instead of letters)

but I don't know how to do the tiles for lignite / coal / coke / charcoal.
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)

== Coke/Charcoal constructions + Magma = Permanent fire? ==

I always wondered if making a magma cistern out of Coke would create a massive, but permanent fire. The reasoning would be that coal burns in any form, magma is hot, but constructions are permanent and not destroyed by magma. In a failed attempt to create a permanent magma waterfall, some magma touched my coke road (I had no iron, but magma and plenty of bitimous coal, so I thought "why not?"). The road is now on fire, but I do not know if it will be permanent as my remaining dwarves will perish by the end of the season by leftover fire/lava, starvation/drought or depression, so I have to ask if anyone knows if coal constructions will ever disappear. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 20:25, 10 January 2009 (EST)

:It won't even burn. Don't try, you'll just be wasting time. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 02:31, 11 January 2009 (EST)

::I beg to differ as that is what I said happen in my previous (and long, sorry about that) post. My Coke Road caught on fire when magma spilled onto it, and never went out before I abandoned the fortress (I didn't feel like waiting for the remaining 5 dwarves to starve to death). --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 13:03, 11 January 2009 (EST)

== Rewrite - & "fuel" ==

"B" is for [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal#B|Bold]].

When I first read this important page as a newbie, I knew that In Real Life you could burn coal for fuel, and that coal was mined and commercially used as fuel, and that coke was from coal and used in steel production, and that charcoal burned hotter than wood and so was used for smelting, and that in the game you mined bituminous coal. These terms, combined with the previous version's use of the in-game term "refined coal" and the undefined term "fuel", conspired to absolutely confuse the hell outa me for both smelting and steel production.

Once I got some basic smelting going on my own, and then some steel made by trial and errour, it all made sense - but the point of a wiki page is to make sense ~''before''~ the trial and errour (there's enough of that in the game as is.) Questions and confusion in the forums only reinforced my feeling about this.

When I found the additional in-game term "fuel coal", the 5th "coal/fuel"-related term, I'd had enough, and decided something had to change. After seeking the advice of several wiki notables (thanks again!), this is the result.

Altho' a side-by-side history comparison shows a 99% rewrite, actually most of the information is the same, and many of the previous phrases and sentences still in place, just radically reformatted and re-arranged.

There is some repetition between the sub-sections - I felt this was justified since some users will only refer to the one sub-section they are concerned with. Yes, their mistake, but it's easily accounted for and not overly cumbersome, imo. And the fact that the game terms distinguish between charcoal and coke, and IRL they're very different, but are identical/interchangeable in game use - I felt that could not be overstated.

I hope - and believe - that I achieved the goals that others recommended - a clear and comprehensive article that stayed true to the confusing in-game terms without allowing them to confuse these explanations. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Change? ==

I've found that charcoal cannot be used for forging, and you can combine either 1 coke or 1 charcoal with lignite/bituminous coal to produce more coke.

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