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Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Namespace migration

2014-08-03T17:05:46Z

Qalnor:

Report any namespace-migration problems here.
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* <s>Hard bug here : [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality]]</s> Fixed. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
* <s>{{tl|attrib_proc}} and related templates are broken on v0.34 pages.</s> Fixed (actually a problem with {{tl|Creaturelookup/0}}) —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 17:12, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

*A number of DF2014 pages are still missing (the [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Special:WantedPages&limit=500&offset=0 wanted pages] list would be useful here if it wasn't crammed full of missing masterwork pages). (ex. [[DF2014:Brain]]‏‎, [[DF2014:Attributes]], [[DF2014:Pump stack]], etc.)
** We intentionally did not migrate any redirects, just to be sure everything was working properly. <s>I will probably go through and migrate redirects tonight.</s> --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 22:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
*** Copying over the redirects is a lot of manual work that could have been easily automated. In the mean time, editors are fixing the plethora of red links in different ways, resulting in a hodge-podge of "solutions" that may cause problems down the road.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

*The {{tl|UtilityVersion}} template is claiming 40.01 is an "older version" on [[Utility:Lazy Newb Pack|utility pages]].
** This is functioning correctly. It will say older version until an editor updates the page for the most recent version.
*** The older version note is right, but the note claiming the page was for version 40.01 was incorrect. It should have claimed version 34.11, but a bug in the {{tl|nsv}} template was causing it to return the current version for unrecognized input. I have fixed the template to be more discerning.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

* Redirects like [[v0.34:Animal]] need to be fixed. Besides categories are displayed as empty, but this seems to be normal lag. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 19:28, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

* Anyone have an idea why [[Special:List of redirects]] shows almost all redirects going to the v0.34 namespace? I'm fairly sure this is either the origin or a symptom of the problems with redirects I've been encountering. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 19:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
** Isn't there a wiki extension used here that redirects from the Main namespace to the appropriate versioned one? Maybe something about that is improperly redirecting to the old version's pages. —[[User:Lue|Lue]] ([[User talk:Lue|talk]]) 00:03, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
*** It's most likely another cache issue - I'll see if rebuilding the links table fixes it. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 21:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

* http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Quickstart_guide/Preparing_carefully&action=edit&redlink=1 didn't make it.

DF2014 Talk:Quickstart guide

2014-08-02T18:12:54Z

Qalnor: /* Change name to "Fortress Mode Quick start"? */

Some of this article still assumes that the fortress will start in Spring, but that's not necessarily true any more. I don't know how to fix it without making things more complicated though. --[[User:Dree12|Dree12]] ([[User Talk:Dree12|talk]]) 20:31, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
:I decided to go with "in the first six month", "by your third season", or similar. --[[User:Dree12|Dree12]] ([[User Talk:Dree12|talk]]) 02:19, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

== Change name to "Fortress Mode Quick start"? ==

I feel like this page should be moved to [[Fortress mode quick start]], not only to be consistent with the name [[Adventure mode quick start]], but also to make it so that the name is more descriptive. "Quickstart guide" could mean anything, really. (For me at least, the current title feels like the name for some hypothetical "how to get DF running" guide, moreso than a fortress mode guide.) As a bonus, the new name doesn't imply that fortress mode is somehow the "default" or "main" mode of play <code>:)</code> . —[[User:Lue|Lue]] ([[User talk:Lue|talk]]) 02:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
:Makes sense to me. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 18:34, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
:The game is called 'Dwarf Fortress' and the game mode at issue is called 'Dwarf Fortress' so I think it's reasonable to imply that this is the default mode of play. I don't actually care what the article's title is, but I don't really think anyone is confused by the status quo and if they are I don't think they can handle anything more challenging than legends mode. So I guess this is a vote against.[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] ([[User talk:Qalnor|talk]])

== Articles not Transferring over between versions ==

I was just browsing through this guide when I noticed that the "starting site" and "preparing carefully" articles are red links. Those pages existed for the last version of this article, but apparently they haven't been transferred over to DF2014 (that's the current version?). I really don't know much about this game or how wikis work, but for anybody else who views this guide it might be useful to see about getting those pages updated so the "where to start" article doesn't have red links in really important places.
:Apparently subpages weren't copied over. I'll work on this tomorrow, hopefully. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

40d:Maximizing framerate

2007-12-17T20:25:05Z

Qalnor: added note for dual processors; external link for vista comment would be good but microsoft.com doesn't seem to have a helpfile on it up and none of the sites which do really seem appropriate

Dwarf Fortress is an extremely CPU-intensive application that currently requires a fast, modern machine ([[System_requirements|recommendations]]). The objective of this page is to help you reduce game lag, a crippling problem for many players.

Please mark all advice with the most recent game version it is known to work for. This game is under rapid development, ToadyOne clearly intends to reduce lag where possible, and so methods that worked in, say, v0.27.169.33c may not a few months later.

== Advice for v0.27.169.33b-e ==

=== OpenGL ===
* If framerate is extremely slow with an otherwise CPU-friendly fortress and a decent machine, your graphic card's interaction with the OpenGL code used by the game may be at fault. Updating your drivers usually works; you may also have to adjust some settings in your graphic card's control software, such as turning vertical synchronization off.

=== Game options ===
In the folder "\data\init" is a file named "init.txt". Edits to this file can greatly increase game speed. Keep backups for safety and to save yourself having to re-enter values every time you upgrade.

* [SOUND:OFF]: Slightly increases speed. Cost is lack of sounds.
* [FPS:YES], [FPS_CAP:100]: Handy indicator of how fast your game is running.
* [G_FPS_CAP:15]: Controls refresh rate. Lower values often boost speed dramatically ... at the cost of less frequent visual updates, which can pose a problem during battles.
* [VSYNC:OFF]: Attempting to synchronize refreshes can kill game speed for some players (depending on your OS, graphics card, and OpenGL settings).
* [PRIORITY:HIGH]: This option automatically makes the game run in high priority. This will probably prevent your computer from effectively running anything at the same time as the game and, for some players, causes major lag in the DF interface as well. Still worth a try, though. [PRIORITY:REALTIME] devotes even more resources to Dwarf Fortress, but has been known to cause stuttering gameplay. Increasing priority will make the game difficult to kill using task manager if it locks up.
* [TEMPERATURE:NO]: Turning off temperature greatly increases speed. It also kills off some rather nice lava warming effects, stops rivers from freezing and (importantly!) thawing, makes glacial maps less interesting, and prevents sudden deaths from exposure. You're well-advised to stick with "warm" or "hot" fortress sites if you turn temperature off and your source of water is a stream.
* [WEATHER:NO]: Turning off weather increases speed noticeably. No obvious disadvantages are known.
* [CAVEINS:NO]: Turning off cave-ins increases speed only fractionally.
* [POPULATION_CAP:40]: Keep your population under control to prevent the game bogging down. Pathfinding for numerous dwarves can bring even a fast machine to its knees.

=== Fortress site ===
* Moving fluids are the major source of lag in most maps at game start. Magma and (to a lesser extent) running water are CPU hogs in the current version. If you haven't got the hardware to run DF with a magma site, suck it up and go without. Aquifers (until tapped) and stagnant pools seem not to cause major speed issues.
* Avoid elevation extremes. The fewer the z-levels, the faster the game runs.
* Minimize map size. Smaller maps get you substantially more speed.
* Avoid caves, towns, ruins, or anything populated. Everything in them invokes the pathfinding code frequently.

=== Fortress layout and gameplay ===
* Narrow paths and bottlenecks cause the pathfinding algorithm to repeatedly recompute a faster route for each dwarf (and pet) as the paths empty and clear. Use large hallways and multiple one-way stairways to connect any two spots where lots of dwarves will want to be.
* Keep wandering pets and wild animals to a minimum and cage livestock. The AI for all of these has become more efficient of late and each one costs much less CPU time than a dwarf, but sheer numbers matter.
* Avoid designating very large areas for chopping, gathering, detailing, or mining, especially if many dwarves do these things.
* Some observers suspect that having massive numbers of objects in stockpiles also impacts FPS; others believe any effect is minor{{verify}}.

=== Cheating ===
* Fully revealed areas are faster than hidden ones. Running reveal.exe will make the game faster.

=== Non-factors ===
The following things ''don't'' have a significant effect on game speed, at least as tested.

* Fullscreen or windowed (if OpenGL settings are compatible with the game)
* Use of graphics, choice of graphics tileset
* Size of tiles
* Number of z-levels mined out (fortress pathfinding complexity matters; mere distance up and down doesn't)

== Advice for v0.27.169.33a ==

* Upgrade.

== Advice for earlier versions ==

* If framerate is always slow at startup, your graphic card's interaction with the OpenGL code used by the game is likely to be at fault. Turning off vertical synchronization and updating your drivers usually works.

* Put animals in cages. Never keep them behind locked doors and reduce wandering pets to a reasonable number.
* Do not specify huge areas for mining or (especially) detailing.
* Open up \data\init\init.txt. Turn off TEMPERATURE and WEATHER and reduce POPULATION_CAP.

== Hardware- and OS-specific Advice ==

=== Dual Processors ===
* Go into task manager and set the affinity of Dwarf Fortress to one processor, and then set all the programs that use significant resources to the other. If Dwarf Fortress ever utilizes more than one processor, this will of course become irrelevant; currently, however, very few programs do and the best use of a dual processor is to give DF its own processor.
* Vista's START command can be used to set affinity at run-time with the AFFINITY switch.

=== Laptop computers ===
* Frame rate is higher when running off mains power. This is because laptops reduce CPU performance to extend the battery life.
* You can disable that feature in MS Windows, at the expense of the battery running out much more quickly.

===Dual monitors===
* Display DF entirely on one screen (no overlap to the second screen whatsoever).

[[Category:Guides]]

{{Game_Interface FAQ}}

User talk:Rick

2007-12-17T20:11:29Z

Qalnor: /* INI? */

== Requests ==
Hey there. Thanks for writing reveal.exe. It's made my dwarves' lives so much easier!

Do you take requests?

And is this the right place to ask? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:32, 10 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, and yes. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 20:49, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Excellent! Now, I don't know how many people would use it, but I'd love to see a utility that would allow me to choose the temperature/forest/shrub/surroundings/neighbours when starting out. I like to stick to the same sort of areas, but it can be a pain finding them on the map - if they exist at all. Problem is, I think most people take what they're given, region-wise... so I don't think it'd have much of an audience. What do you think? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:55, 10 November 2007 (EST)

:: Er, I haven't just described startpoints.exe, have I? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 21:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Well, if you're not averse to requests... A utility to activate the subterranean flag on indoor areas would be awesome for those of us who'd like to build surface castles in cold/freezing terrain without our dwarves dying of frostbite. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 22:45, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::I'd like a rock/gem/ore tool. Would be really neat. Especially the ore/gem one. Also, maybe water/magma creation tools if possible?--[[User:Spelguru|Spelguru]] 01:29, 11 November 2007 (EST)

::Something similar to the old skills.exe would be great! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 11:44, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::What I'd like is some way to search for a particular tile on the map. Probably the easiest thing for you to code is to have reveal.exe have an option where it prints the map data to a file in some simple text format (Just a simple list of 'Z,X,Y "tile code"' would be sufficient. mapping what tiles have what value would be nice, but not necessary.) I want to answer the question "Is the raw material for the item the possessed dwarf is asking for somewhere on my map, and if so, where?" --[[User:Warnold|Warnold]] 23:08, 9 December 2007 (EST)

::I would like to request something that teleports items. --[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 02:05, 16 December 2007 (EST)

::Is it possible for a utility to remove excess stone? (name and amount in command line) --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 07:35, 16 December 2007 (EST)

== Wild Praise ==
Thank you so much for your incredible work! Your applications add so much fun to the game! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Astonishing response time for 33e! --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 01:04, 9 December 2007 (EST)

== In reply to ==
Your statement to me on my page, "Don't subject your opinion unto others. (Though I think you were just trying to be funny...) --Rick 03:54, 31 October 2007 (EDT)"

Of course I was. But some people have no real sense of humor.

Also, some people believe they can do things they tell others NOT to do. Your statement is a perfect example of this. You tell me not to subject others to MY opinion, but in doing so you are subjecting me to YOUR opinion. Oh yes, you are one of the VIPs in the DF community, because you wrote a couple utilities. So I suppose I should be humble in your presence, and bow to someone so great. I would do that, but when I bow, I do it facing AWAY from that person, and I drop my trousers at the same time. Still want me to bow to your greatness?

I read other contributions here that voice their opinions the same as I did. I wonder if you said the same thing to all of them as well? Tho since I was able to read the pages they wrote, you clearly did not delete their words as you did mine. And while other entries I made were either deleted or edited, as I expected them to be, since I am not a great wiki writer, you were the only one to send me a somewhat nasty note.

Think whatever you like of me, but at least I was contributing, and trying to give a few smiles along the way. Seems to me tho, that DF is fun, and it's wiki should be too. And, from other pages I read, others feel the same way I do. Maybe you should take a look around at some of their pages, and lighten up yourself a bit? Maybe trade with the elves for a tame blue jay, and drop it down your shorts. If that doesnt get a giggle out of you, maybe you should go join the undead at one of their ruins?

: Wow, way to blow up that up, I was just jesting. I think I'll leave your words here, [[User:Darknight|Darknight]]. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:25, 17 November 2007 (EST)

: Oh, and for the record, I did not remove your message, someone else did that. Check the page history. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:29, 17 November 2007 (EST)

== heal.exe bug? ==

Hmm... I've found that heal -hurt doesn't work on fire men, at least in 33b. It sets all their body parts to red, but the fire man just keeps wandering around and scaring my poor witless dwarves. I haven't found a living fire man yet in 33c so I can't check. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 06:59, 28 November 2007 (EST)

: Are firemen immune to pain? Hurt just nukes bodyparts, not kills creatures, most creatures who feel pain will die from that, but I guess ones who don't won't. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 12:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:: Just checked - yes they are. That'd explain it then, ta. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 14:38, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== INI? ==

Does anyone see anything obviously wrong about this? I used various comparisons to come to these values (as well as what the hex fellow posted in the memory hacking section), and editing them as such into the reveal.exe allowed me to get that program to function, but the ini isn't reenabling the executables on its own:

<pre>
[address]
DWARF_FORTRESS=0x0089C414 ; correct
MENU_STATE=0x0124565C ; maybe
FOCUSED_CREATURE=0x00C39548 ; correct
CREATURE_VECTOR=0x01420A48 ; correct
MOUSE_X=0x008FF290 ; pretty sure should be 008FF288
MOUSE_Y=0x008FF294 ; pretty sure should be 008FF28C
MOUSE_Z=0x008FF298 ; pretty sure should be 008FF290
MAP_DATA=0x01462568 ; correct
MAP_X_COUNT=0x01462580 ; correct
MAP_Y_COUNT=0x01462584 ; correct
MAP_Z_COUNT=0x01462588 ; correct
STARTING_DWARF_COUNT=0x0078A54E ; wrong. 0078A554 (value actually is dword at 0078A555)
STARTING_POINT_COUNT=0x00789703 ; correct (value actually is word at 0078970A)

[offset]
MAP_DATA_DESIGNATION_OFFSET=0x0260 ; dunno
MAP_DATA_OCCUPANCY_OFFSET=0x660 ; dunno
CREATURE_NAME_OFFSET=0x000 ; yes
CREATURE_BODY_PART_HEALTH_VECTOR_OFFSET=0x308 ; probably
CREATURE_X_OFFSET=0x0094 ; probably
CREATURE_Y_OFFSET=0x0096 ; probably
CREATURE_Z_OFFSET=0x0098 ; probably
</pre>

[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:05, 16 December 2007 (EST)

I commented the above. none of the corrections should affect reveal. I don't know what's going wrong. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 16 December 2007 (EST)

:: I made a few mistakes when documenting the existing data, which probably threw you guys off. My user page has been updated for 33f. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 20:41, 16 December 2007 (EST)

:: Thanks, to both of you. I'll have to go over what I was doing when I get home to try and see where I was going wrong. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 15:11, 17 December 2007 (EST)

40d:Efficient gameplay

2007-12-16T21:35:42Z

Qalnor: added a useful fact about repeating

This page covers ways to accomplish game tasks in fortress mode faster and with less effort. The interface of Dwarf Fortress is in alpha, but - if you give it a little help - can become far less cumbersome then it appears at first glance. If a way to save time is non-obvious to even a single person, it should be mentioned here.

==General tips and tricks==
* When dumping lots of objects, it often saves time to use the stocks menu instead of marking objects from the fortress view.
* The manager screen (type 'm' when viewing the job screen) is a good way to speed up workshop assignments. Jobs are generated automatically until the task is complete. Requires a manager with enough free time to authorize tasks.
* The designation menu and the actual selection of tiles are both mouse-capable, which is especially helpful when laying out fancy rooms and patterned designs. Left-click designates a tile or chooses a new menu option; right-click moves the cursor.
* When ordering production at workshop, type 'r' to have the object made repeatedly; adding multiple items and putting them all on repeat will have them do a repeating cycle.
* If an interface uses '+' and '-' to scroll, then it will use '*' and '/' to scroll quickly. If an interface uses up arrow/8 and down arrow/2 to scroll, then it will use PgUp/9 and PgDn/3 to scroll quickly.

==External programs==
Players of DF have provided several utilities to help you manage your fortress and command your dwarves. Once you start using aids like [[Utilities#Dwarf_Foreman|Dwarf Foreman]], you'll wonder how you ever managed to get by without. Utilities are generally updated shortly after a new version appears.
[[Utilities|Utilities page]]

==Macros and keymaps==
Dwarf Fortress has no internal macro/keymap system, but cooperates very well with an external utility called AutoHotKey. Many keyboard-intensive tasks can be made less painful with a custom script. [[Macros_and_Keymaps|Macros and keymaps]]

{{Game Interface FAQ}}

User talk:Rick

2007-12-16T19:05:08Z

Qalnor: /* INI? */

== Requests ==
Hey there. Thanks for writing reveal.exe. It's made my dwarves' lives so much easier!

Do you take requests?

And is this the right place to ask? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:32, 10 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, and yes. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 20:49, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Excellent! Now, I don't know how many people would use it, but I'd love to see a utility that would allow me to choose the temperature/forest/shrub/surroundings/neighbours when starting out. I like to stick to the same sort of areas, but it can be a pain finding them on the map - if they exist at all. Problem is, I think most people take what they're given, region-wise... so I don't think it'd have much of an audience. What do you think? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:55, 10 November 2007 (EST)

:: Er, I haven't just described startpoints.exe, have I? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 21:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Well, if you're not averse to requests... A utility to activate the subterranean flag on indoor areas would be awesome for those of us who'd like to build surface castles in cold/freezing terrain without our dwarves dying of frostbite. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 22:45, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::I'd like a rock/gem/ore tool. Would be really neat. Especially the ore/gem one. Also, maybe water/magma creation tools if possible?--[[User:Spelguru|Spelguru]] 01:29, 11 November 2007 (EST)

::Something similar to the old skills.exe would be great! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 11:44, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::What I'd like is some way to search for a particular tile on the map. Probably the easiest thing for you to code is to have reveal.exe have an option where it prints the map data to a file in some simple text format (Just a simple list of 'Z,X,Y "tile code"' would be sufficient. mapping what tiles have what value would be nice, but not necessary.) I want to answer the question "Is the raw material for the item the possessed dwarf is asking for somewhere on my map, and if so, where?" --[[User:Warnold|Warnold]] 23:08, 9 December 2007 (EST)

::I would like to request something that teleports items. --[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 02:05, 16 December 2007 (EST)

::Is it possible for a utility to remove excess stone? (name and amount in command line) --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 07:35, 16 December 2007 (EST)

== Wild Praise ==
Thank you so much for your incredible work! Your applications add so much fun to the game! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Astonishing response time for 33e! --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 01:04, 9 December 2007 (EST)

== In reply to ==
Your statement to me on my page, "Don't subject your opinion unto others. (Though I think you were just trying to be funny...) --Rick 03:54, 31 October 2007 (EDT)"

Of course I was. But some people have no real sense of humor.

Also, some people believe they can do things they tell others NOT to do. Your statement is a perfect example of this. You tell me not to subject others to MY opinion, but in doing so you are subjecting me to YOUR opinion. Oh yes, you are one of the VIPs in the DF community, because you wrote a couple utilities. So I suppose I should be humble in your presence, and bow to someone so great. I would do that, but when I bow, I do it facing AWAY from that person, and I drop my trousers at the same time. Still want me to bow to your greatness?

I read other contributions here that voice their opinions the same as I did. I wonder if you said the same thing to all of them as well? Tho since I was able to read the pages they wrote, you clearly did not delete their words as you did mine. And while other entries I made were either deleted or edited, as I expected them to be, since I am not a great wiki writer, you were the only one to send me a somewhat nasty note.

Think whatever you like of me, but at least I was contributing, and trying to give a few smiles along the way. Seems to me tho, that DF is fun, and it's wiki should be too. And, from other pages I read, others feel the same way I do. Maybe you should take a look around at some of their pages, and lighten up yourself a bit? Maybe trade with the elves for a tame blue jay, and drop it down your shorts. If that doesnt get a giggle out of you, maybe you should go join the undead at one of their ruins?

: Wow, way to blow up that up, I was just jesting. I think I'll leave your words here, [[User:Darknight|Darknight]]. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:25, 17 November 2007 (EST)

: Oh, and for the record, I did not remove your message, someone else did that. Check the page history. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:29, 17 November 2007 (EST)

== heal.exe bug? ==

Hmm... I've found that heal -hurt doesn't work on fire men, at least in 33b. It sets all their body parts to red, but the fire man just keeps wandering around and scaring my poor witless dwarves. I haven't found a living fire man yet in 33c so I can't check. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 06:59, 28 November 2007 (EST)

: Are firemen immune to pain? Hurt just nukes bodyparts, not kills creatures, most creatures who feel pain will die from that, but I guess ones who don't won't. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 12:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:: Just checked - yes they are. That'd explain it then, ta. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 14:38, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== INI? ==

Does anyone see anything obviously wrong about this? I used various comparisons to come to these values (as well as what the hex fellow posted in the memory hacking section), and editing them as such into the reveal.exe allowed me to get that program to function, but the ini isn't reenabling the executables on its own:

<pre>
[address]
DWARF_FORTRESS=0x0089C414
MENU_STATE=0x0124565C
FOCUSED_CREATURE=0x00C39548
CREATURE_VECTOR=0x01420A48
MOUSE_X=0x008FF290
MOUSE_Y=0x008FF294
MOUSE_Z=0x008FF298
MAP_DATA=0x01462568
MAP_X_COUNT=0x01462580
MAP_Y_COUNT=0x01462584
MAP_Z_COUNT=0x01462588
STARTING_DWARF_COUNT=0x0078A54E
STARTING_POINT_COUNT=0x00789703

[offset]
MAP_DATA_DESIGNATION_OFFSET=0x0260
MAP_DATA_OCCUPANCY_OFFSET=0x660
CREATURE_NAME_OFFSET=0x000
CREATURE_BODY_PART_HEALTH_VECTOR_OFFSET=0x308
CREATURE_X_OFFSET=0x0094
CREATURE_Y_OFFSET=0x0096
CREATURE_Z_OFFSET=0x0098
</pre>

[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:05, 16 December 2007 (EST)

User talk:Rick

2007-12-16T19:04:50Z

Qalnor: /* INI? */

== Requests ==
Hey there. Thanks for writing reveal.exe. It's made my dwarves' lives so much easier!

Do you take requests?

And is this the right place to ask? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:32, 10 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, and yes. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 20:49, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Excellent! Now, I don't know how many people would use it, but I'd love to see a utility that would allow me to choose the temperature/forest/shrub/surroundings/neighbours when starting out. I like to stick to the same sort of areas, but it can be a pain finding them on the map - if they exist at all. Problem is, I think most people take what they're given, region-wise... so I don't think it'd have much of an audience. What do you think? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:55, 10 November 2007 (EST)

:: Er, I haven't just described startpoints.exe, have I? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 21:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Well, if you're not averse to requests... A utility to activate the subterranean flag on indoor areas would be awesome for those of us who'd like to build surface castles in cold/freezing terrain without our dwarves dying of frostbite. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 22:45, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::I'd like a rock/gem/ore tool. Would be really neat. Especially the ore/gem one. Also, maybe water/magma creation tools if possible?--[[User:Spelguru|Spelguru]] 01:29, 11 November 2007 (EST)

::Something similar to the old skills.exe would be great! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 11:44, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::What I'd like is some way to search for a particular tile on the map. Probably the easiest thing for you to code is to have reveal.exe have an option where it prints the map data to a file in some simple text format (Just a simple list of 'Z,X,Y "tile code"' would be sufficient. mapping what tiles have what value would be nice, but not necessary.) I want to answer the question "Is the raw material for the item the possessed dwarf is asking for somewhere on my map, and if so, where?" --[[User:Warnold|Warnold]] 23:08, 9 December 2007 (EST)

::I would like to request something that teleports items. --[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 02:05, 16 December 2007 (EST)

::Is it possible for a utility to remove excess stone? (name and amount in command line) --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 07:35, 16 December 2007 (EST)

== Wild Praise ==
Thank you so much for your incredible work! Your applications add so much fun to the game! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Astonishing response time for 33e! --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 01:04, 9 December 2007 (EST)

== In reply to ==
Your statement to me on my page, "Don't subject your opinion unto others. (Though I think you were just trying to be funny...) --Rick 03:54, 31 October 2007 (EDT)"

Of course I was. But some people have no real sense of humor.

Also, some people believe they can do things they tell others NOT to do. Your statement is a perfect example of this. You tell me not to subject others to MY opinion, but in doing so you are subjecting me to YOUR opinion. Oh yes, you are one of the VIPs in the DF community, because you wrote a couple utilities. So I suppose I should be humble in your presence, and bow to someone so great. I would do that, but when I bow, I do it facing AWAY from that person, and I drop my trousers at the same time. Still want me to bow to your greatness?

I read other contributions here that voice their opinions the same as I did. I wonder if you said the same thing to all of them as well? Tho since I was able to read the pages they wrote, you clearly did not delete their words as you did mine. And while other entries I made were either deleted or edited, as I expected them to be, since I am not a great wiki writer, you were the only one to send me a somewhat nasty note.

Think whatever you like of me, but at least I was contributing, and trying to give a few smiles along the way. Seems to me tho, that DF is fun, and it's wiki should be too. And, from other pages I read, others feel the same way I do. Maybe you should take a look around at some of their pages, and lighten up yourself a bit? Maybe trade with the elves for a tame blue jay, and drop it down your shorts. If that doesnt get a giggle out of you, maybe you should go join the undead at one of their ruins?

: Wow, way to blow up that up, I was just jesting. I think I'll leave your words here, [[User:Darknight|Darknight]]. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:25, 17 November 2007 (EST)

: Oh, and for the record, I did not remove your message, someone else did that. Check the page history. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:29, 17 November 2007 (EST)

== heal.exe bug? ==

Hmm... I've found that heal -hurt doesn't work on fire men, at least in 33b. It sets all their body parts to red, but the fire man just keeps wandering around and scaring my poor witless dwarves. I haven't found a living fire man yet in 33c so I can't check. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 06:59, 28 November 2007 (EST)

: Are firemen immune to pain? Hurt just nukes bodyparts, not kills creatures, most creatures who feel pain will die from that, but I guess ones who don't won't. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 12:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:: Just checked - yes they are. That'd explain it then, ta. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 14:38, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== INI? ==

Does anyone see anything obviously wrong about this? I used various comparisons to come to these values (as well as what the hex fellow posted in the memory hacking section), and editing them as such into the reveal.exe allowed me to get that program to function, but the ini isn't reenabling the executables on its own:

<pre>
[address]
DWARF_FORTRESS=0x0089C414
MENU_STATE=0x0124565C
FOCUSED_CREATURE=0x00C39548
CREATURE_VECTOR=0x01420A48
MOUSE_X=0x008FF290
MOUSE_Y=0x008FF294
MOUSE_Z=0x008FF298
MAP_DATA=0x01462568
MAP_X_COUNT=0x01462580
MAP_Y_COUNT=0x01462584
MAP_Z_COUNT=0x01462588
STARTING_DWARF_COUNT=0x0078A54E
STARTING_POINT_COUNT=0x00789703

[offset]
MAP_DATA_DESIGNATION_OFFSET=0x0260
MAP_DATA_OCCUPANCY_OFFSET=0x660
CREATURE_NAME_OFFSET=0x000
CREATURE_BODY_PART_HEALTH_VECTOR_OFFSET=0x308
CREATURE_X_OFFSET=0x0094
CREATURE_Y_OFFSET=0x0096
CREATURE_Z_OFFSET=0x0098
</pre>

User talk:Rick

2007-12-16T19:04:14Z

Qalnor: INI?

== Requests ==
Hey there. Thanks for writing reveal.exe. It's made my dwarves' lives so much easier!

Do you take requests?

And is this the right place to ask? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:32, 10 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, and yes. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 20:49, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Excellent! Now, I don't know how many people would use it, but I'd love to see a utility that would allow me to choose the temperature/forest/shrub/surroundings/neighbours when starting out. I like to stick to the same sort of areas, but it can be a pain finding them on the map - if they exist at all. Problem is, I think most people take what they're given, region-wise... so I don't think it'd have much of an audience. What do you think? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 20:55, 10 November 2007 (EST)

:: Er, I haven't just described startpoints.exe, have I? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 21:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::Well, if you're not averse to requests... A utility to activate the subterranean flag on indoor areas would be awesome for those of us who'd like to build surface castles in cold/freezing terrain without our dwarves dying of frostbite. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 22:45, 10 November 2007 (EST)

::I'd like a rock/gem/ore tool. Would be really neat. Especially the ore/gem one. Also, maybe water/magma creation tools if possible?--[[User:Spelguru|Spelguru]] 01:29, 11 November 2007 (EST)

::Something similar to the old skills.exe would be great! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 11:44, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::What I'd like is some way to search for a particular tile on the map. Probably the easiest thing for you to code is to have reveal.exe have an option where it prints the map data to a file in some simple text format (Just a simple list of 'Z,X,Y "tile code"' would be sufficient. mapping what tiles have what value would be nice, but not necessary.) I want to answer the question "Is the raw material for the item the possessed dwarf is asking for somewhere on my map, and if so, where?" --[[User:Warnold|Warnold]] 23:08, 9 December 2007 (EST)

::I would like to request something that teleports items. --[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 02:05, 16 December 2007 (EST)

::Is it possible for a utility to remove excess stone? (name and amount in command line) --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 07:35, 16 December 2007 (EST)

== Wild Praise ==
Thank you so much for your incredible work! Your applications add so much fun to the game! --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Astonishing response time for 33e! --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 01:04, 9 December 2007 (EST)

== In reply to ==
Your statement to me on my page, "Don't subject your opinion unto others. (Though I think you were just trying to be funny...) --Rick 03:54, 31 October 2007 (EDT)"

Of course I was. But some people have no real sense of humor.

Also, some people believe they can do things they tell others NOT to do. Your statement is a perfect example of this. You tell me not to subject others to MY opinion, but in doing so you are subjecting me to YOUR opinion. Oh yes, you are one of the VIPs in the DF community, because you wrote a couple utilities. So I suppose I should be humble in your presence, and bow to someone so great. I would do that, but when I bow, I do it facing AWAY from that person, and I drop my trousers at the same time. Still want me to bow to your greatness?

I read other contributions here that voice their opinions the same as I did. I wonder if you said the same thing to all of them as well? Tho since I was able to read the pages they wrote, you clearly did not delete their words as you did mine. And while other entries I made were either deleted or edited, as I expected them to be, since I am not a great wiki writer, you were the only one to send me a somewhat nasty note.

Think whatever you like of me, but at least I was contributing, and trying to give a few smiles along the way. Seems to me tho, that DF is fun, and it's wiki should be too. And, from other pages I read, others feel the same way I do. Maybe you should take a look around at some of their pages, and lighten up yourself a bit? Maybe trade with the elves for a tame blue jay, and drop it down your shorts. If that doesnt get a giggle out of you, maybe you should go join the undead at one of their ruins?

: Wow, way to blow up that up, I was just jesting. I think I'll leave your words here, [[User:Darknight|Darknight]]. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:25, 17 November 2007 (EST)

: Oh, and for the record, I did not remove your message, someone else did that. Check the page history. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:29, 17 November 2007 (EST)

== heal.exe bug? ==

Hmm... I've found that heal -hurt doesn't work on fire men, at least in 33b. It sets all their body parts to red, but the fire man just keeps wandering around and scaring my poor witless dwarves. I haven't found a living fire man yet in 33c so I can't check. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 06:59, 28 November 2007 (EST)

: Are firemen immune to pain? Hurt just nukes bodyparts, not kills creatures, most creatures who feel pain will die from that, but I guess ones who don't won't. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 12:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:: Just checked - yes they are. That'd explain it then, ta. [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 14:38, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== INI? ==

Does anyone see anything obviously wrong about this? I used various comparisons to come to these values (as well as what the hex fellow posted in the memory hacking section), and editing them as such into the reveal.exe allowed me to get that program to function, but the ini isn't reenabling the executables on its own:

[address]
DWARF_FORTRESS=0x0089C414
MENU_STATE=0x0124565C
FOCUSED_CREATURE=0x00C39548
CREATURE_VECTOR=0x01420A48
MOUSE_X=0x008FF290
MOUSE_Y=0x008FF294
MOUSE_Z=0x008FF298
MAP_DATA=0x01462568
MAP_X_COUNT=0x01462580
MAP_Y_COUNT=0x01462584
MAP_Z_COUNT=0x01462588
STARTING_DWARF_COUNT=0x0078A54E
STARTING_POINT_COUNT=0x00789703

[offset]
MAP_DATA_DESIGNATION_OFFSET=0x0260
MAP_DATA_OCCUPANCY_OFFSET=0x660
CREATURE_NAME_OFFSET=0x000
CREATURE_BODY_PART_HEALTH_VECTOR_OFFSET=0x308
CREATURE_X_OFFSET=0x0094
CREATURE_Y_OFFSET=0x0096
CREATURE_Z_OFFSET=0x0098

40d Talk:Island

2007-12-11T19:27:12Z

Qalnor:

This should be added to the <nowiki>{{world}}</nowiki> categories.

--[[User:JPolito|JPolito]] 17:55, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Oh wait. I figured out how to do it.

--[[User:JPolito|JPolito]] 18:02, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'm pretty sure an island isn't a biome type. Also, I've yet to see the game mention islands at all. Like a valley, this is a feature that is created and then recieves no reference. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:27, 14 November 2007 (EST)

== Complete nonsense ==

As far as I can tell there is nothing useful about this article. The facts listed are all either completely untrue, utterly misleading, or don't related specifically to islands.

As mentioned, islands are not a feature in the game, there is nothing special about islands at all. If there is anything truly unique about them, then it is the comment about volcanoes:

# Often has a volcano

But I'm not even really convinced that is very accurate.[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:27, 11 December 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Island

2007-12-11T19:27:00Z

Qalnor: Complete nonsense

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2007-12-11T19:13:21Z

Qalnor: /* Clean up? */

== Standardization ==
Along with creating a template for the entries, the images need to all be with the standard character sets and not with a graphical set. It's not very useful to be looking at images one is unfamiliar with - may as well not upload the images. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:39, 10 December 2007 (EST) 
::Definitely something to work on with standardizing the information on seeds. Though maybe later, as all you really need to be able to look at is the X marking locations and size of the box on the local map. I finished categorizing the seeds, and later will be trying to work out a general format for seed entries/later submittals. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 18:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)

== Clean up? ==
It was asked why I deleted a seed earlier, and I may just go back and edit it so that it mentions that I tested the seed on two different machines and got vastly different results on the seed than the original seed poster did (see history for seed number). Also, what is your guy's opinions on deleting/redoing entries without maps/pictures or without any major sites of interest? Example: Seed 0 mentions a spot to start at a terrifying volcano but you cannot even embark there.

PS - I'm going to move seeds according to quick creation time (low rejects) and features if possible.

Also, added a nice find to the pre-generated world's list.
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 16:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Unless we are speaking at cross purposes ... I am playing a game right now at the suggested start spot from Seed 0. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:27, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I'll just nuke the useless volcano in the tundra image for now as this is fairly common and taking up room - and you cannot embark anywhere near there. I understand that the seed is worth keeping because of 0 rejects. But in terms of useless information taking up space, that was the point I was trying to make. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::::I see what you're talking about - I think that picture was just there to show that a volcano was in fact in the tundra, because that isn't the photo associated with the place s/he was suggested one should play. That's the other photo. The only purpose to the one you're refering to is to demonstrate that it's indeed a cool map, I suppose. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 18:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

: Well I asked you why you deleted the seed I put back up, if it really doesn't work on other computers then I have no problem taking it down, but I've had no trouble regenerating it and I've had no problem generating other people's seeds. Something you need to do though is make sure you don't alter the settings at all. If there are issues where it only works on certain computers, that's interesting in and of itself, but I haven't seen any evidence of that myself so far. I should add, I do support cleaning up, the page is a mess beyond belief, and I agree some of the seeds are amazingly stupid. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 18:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:: If it works on your computer under repeatable circumstances, leave it up but have a warning tag of some sort :) We could use good seeds. When I have time I will be purging some of the more useless seeds and attempting to clean up here and there. Maybe have some information about your system info/processor/windows or linux? We don't know how these things sometimes affects seed generation. Don't feel bad, the seed I just posted I found out has variable flux/farmable land/sand based on which computers you generated from - and deleting the seed was just jumping the gun on my part.--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 19:15, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::: I've repeated it a few times. Processor is AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Dual Core 90nm 939-pin, OS is XP SP2. Now that you mention that flux thing I do seem to remember someone mentioning something once about a slightly modified map. I'll try to find that at some point to see if there were any relevant details. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:13, 11 December 2007 (EST)

== Logging sites ==
I like the idea of logging specific sites to seeds, but how is the best way we can organize this? for a good location explaination you probably need a picture. But if we add a lot of pictures to each seed we get a large cluttered page. What shall we do? Add subpages for specific seeds? Try to think of a generic way to log nice sites (for example: Seed: 12323241 coords:12,13 has: ruins, vent, pit, trees, iron , gold, undead elephants of death, more eagels than the US has fighter planes, etc). (Is it possible to determine the coords of a site on the world map?)

And also, I think it is possible to create non number seeds. I'm going to test this.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 08:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
: No for non numbers. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

The forum had a good suggestion. Lets store all the seeds that reject few regions while you create them. (Or at least reject as few regions as possible). The first one with the vulcano in the woods rejects 9 regions. The seed 2 gives a world after 3 rejects according to the forum. http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001234 --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This thread should be interesting. There's even a world with zero rejects. 
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247 [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 02:34, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anybody know how to link to a specific post of the forum? [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 12:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, there isn't a way. This version of the bulletin board code does not place "name" links within the generated forum thread tables as some others do, so no appending of a "#name" to the URL can possibly scroll the browser directly to the post. The best we can do is link to the correct page of the thread and rely on the reader to scroll to the correct post him/herself. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Coordinates ==

This was mentioned briefly on the forum, but we should make some rules for finding specific locations on the map,
As in there is a magma vent in a tile with no volcano near at this position
The question is whether or not to use coordinates that refer to the map you get when you export your map (the big one), or to refer to coordinates in the 3 sections thats show up when you are selecting were to embark to. I'm actually not positive, they match up.
I'm pretty sure the map you get from exporting is 257x308, and I'm not 100% on this, but I think the middle map of the embark mode is exactly the same, I just looked through it, and it seems this way, but I thought (and maybe this was a remnant from 32a) that it didn't if someone else can confirm or deny it that'd be nice.

Anyhow I propose using that middle map as the basis of coordinates: we use the most general map (which is 15x16) and follow it by actual map position, and lastly where in the local map it is. also I propose using what tile it is to define it on each map as well.

here's an example (which you can verify using [SEED:2260691361])

General: (yellow n) 
14 Lat, and 2 lon 
Coordinates: (yellow i) 
220 lat, and 33 lon 
Location: (green i)-(green i) 
1-3 lat, and 5-7 lon 

You have here a elf forest retreat.
 
--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

====Can't use the middle map sorry====
It's always centered on the cursor. Also the large exported map - it may be bugged presently as it seems possible to find regions that are off the edge of what's exported. What would be possible would be to count the steps past where the position on the world (right-most) map changed, this seems to happen every 16 X or Y steps. Suggest indexing from the bottom left (top right if negative values used).
[[User:Djp|Djp]] 01:10, 22 November 2007 (EST)

:Use the world map to see where the approximate location is on the full map and the middle map for landmarks in that vicinity to figure out where the exact site is.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual entries ==

I like the way #3089130238 laid out the information for that seed. We could definitely use a standard layout for this page. Is there anything else we should be including for each seed, besides the number of map rejections?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:05, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with this, and would love to see some sort of template, for (A) each world, and (B) sites of interest in each world--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:06, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::A layout would be good, but keep in mind that the required bits should be accessible from either the exportable world map or fortress mode site selection. Otherwise, it could become an ungodly hassle to fill out the form and then there'd be no more additions. --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 07:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Seed 92003: I like the volcano named "The Big Flame." It makes me laugh! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Can we please put in seed 1337? (it has 2 or 4 rejects... i cant remember which, if absolutly nothing else... and it has lots of good stuff on it to... i found so many good sites... it was hard to pick which one to... well pick.) but really, its seed 1337, check it out. --[[User:pbhead|pbhead]] 18:20 November 2007 (EST)

:What was good about the sites? People sometimes have very different ideas of what makes for a good world.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

= Paul's Sand? =

"This map has just about anything you could ask for, all in a neat 4x5 area. The low cliffs and small area make for good fps. It was first mentioned on the forums by Paul. The only thing it is really lacking is sand, unless you grow your starting area eastward by 2 more spaces, in which case you'll get some spaces of red sand. Note that it was generated on windows XP, and may be different on another OS. "

I can't seem to find the sand... And I've tried extending it all the way east AND west. What I CAN find is plenty of clay and clay loam...

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 15:10, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I had this same problem. No sand to the east. Also, where's the cave river exactly? --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 01:52, 25 November 2007 (EST)

Bad news: Possibly seeds will generate slightly different worlds... ''in differently updated versions''. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 11:35, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== Paul's Sand? ==

In regard to the map I submitted, I never had sand in the older versions either and was equally curious how people had sand. But I just generated it in 33d and it came out with entirely different minerals and soils. The funny thing is, it came out with SIGNIFICANTLY better minerals and soils. The only editing I did to minerals which I assume MAY have affected this was changing kimberlite to form in a cluster instead of a vein. But I did this in the older version and didn't notice the changes, so that may have been unrelated.

Exact same location pictured in the image has an area with basalt and 2 layers of gabbro on the lower area, chalk gneiss and diorite on the upper area, and black sand/dolomite/granite/diorite on the rightmost square with sparse trees. I think I just found my dream site :D

I haven't checked if it still has the cave river, but I dug down and it does still have the magma and adamantine in the exact same spot and probably has the river too. --[[User:Paul|Paul]] 5:13, 4 December 2007 (CST)

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2007-12-10T23:17:35Z

Qalnor: /* Clean up? */

== Standardization ==
Along with creating a template for the entries, the images need to all be with the standard character sets and not with a graphical set. It's not very useful to be looking at images one is unfamiliar with - may as well not upload the images. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:39, 10 December 2007 (EST) 
::Definitely something to work on with standardizing the information on seeds. Though maybe later, as all you really need to be able to look at is the X marking locations and size of the box on the local map. I finished categorizing the seeds, and later will be trying to work out a general format for seed entries/later submittals. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 18:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)

== Clean up? ==
It was asked why I deleted a seed earlier, and I may just go back and edit it so that it mentions that I tested the seed on two different machines and got vastly different results on the seed than the original seed poster did (see history for seed number). Also, what is your guy's opinions on deleting/redoing entries without maps/pictures or without any major sites of interest? Example: Seed 0 mentions a spot to start at a terrifying volcano but you cannot even embark there.

PS - I'm going to move seeds according to quick creation time (low rejects) and features if possible.

Also, added a nice find to the pre-generated world's list.
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 16:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Unless we are speaking at cross purposes ... I am playing a game right now at the suggested start spot from Seed 0. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:27, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I'll just nuke the useless volcano in the tundra image for now as this is fairly common and taking up room - and you cannot embark anywhere near there. I understand that the seed is worth keeping because of 0 rejects. But in terms of useless information taking up space, that was the point I was trying to make. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

: Well I asked you why you deleted the seed I put back up, if it really doesn't work on other computers then I have no problem taking it down, but I've had no trouble regenerating it and I've had no problem generating other people's seeds. Something you need to do though is make sure you don't alter the settings at all. If there are issues where it only works on certain computers, that's interesting in and of itself, but I haven't seen any evidence of that myself so far. I should add, I do support cleaning up, the page is a mess beyond belief, and I agree some of the seeds are amazingly stupid. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 18:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)

== Logging sites ==
I like the idea of logging specific sites to seeds, but how is the best way we can organize this? for a good location explaination you probably need a picture. But if we add a lot of pictures to each seed we get a large cluttered page. What shall we do? Add subpages for specific seeds? Try to think of a generic way to log nice sites (for example: Seed: 12323241 coords:12,13 has: ruins, vent, pit, trees, iron , gold, undead elephants of death, more eagels than the US has fighter planes, etc). (Is it possible to determine the coords of a site on the world map?)

And also, I think it is possible to create non number seeds. I'm going to test this.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 08:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
: No for non numbers. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

The forum had a good suggestion. Lets store all the seeds that reject few regions while you create them. (Or at least reject as few regions as possible). The first one with the vulcano in the woods rejects 9 regions. The seed 2 gives a world after 3 rejects according to the forum. http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001234 --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This thread should be interesting. There's even a world with zero rejects. 
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247 [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 02:34, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anybody know how to link to a specific post of the forum? [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 12:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, there isn't a way. This version of the bulletin board code does not place "name" links within the generated forum thread tables as some others do, so no appending of a "#name" to the URL can possibly scroll the browser directly to the post. The best we can do is link to the correct page of the thread and rely on the reader to scroll to the correct post him/herself. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Coordinates ==

This was mentioned briefly on the forum, but we should make some rules for finding specific locations on the map,
As in there is a magma vent in a tile with no volcano near at this position
The question is whether or not to use coordinates that refer to the map you get when you export your map (the big one), or to refer to coordinates in the 3 sections thats show up when you are selecting were to embark to. I'm actually not positive, they match up.
I'm pretty sure the map you get from exporting is 257x308, and I'm not 100% on this, but I think the middle map of the embark mode is exactly the same, I just looked through it, and it seems this way, but I thought (and maybe this was a remnant from 32a) that it didn't if someone else can confirm or deny it that'd be nice.

Anyhow I propose using that middle map as the basis of coordinates: we use the most general map (which is 15x16) and follow it by actual map position, and lastly where in the local map it is. also I propose using what tile it is to define it on each map as well.

here's an example (which you can verify using [SEED:2260691361])

General: (yellow n) 
14 Lat, and 2 lon 
Coordinates: (yellow i) 
220 lat, and 33 lon 
Location: (green i)-(green i) 
1-3 lat, and 5-7 lon 

You have here a elf forest retreat.
 
--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

====Can't use the middle map sorry====
It's always centered on the cursor. Also the large exported map - it may be bugged presently as it seems possible to find regions that are off the edge of what's exported. What would be possible would be to count the steps past where the position on the world (right-most) map changed, this seems to happen every 16 X or Y steps. Suggest indexing from the bottom left (top right if negative values used).
[[User:Djp|Djp]] 01:10, 22 November 2007 (EST)

:Use the world map to see where the approximate location is on the full map and the middle map for landmarks in that vicinity to figure out where the exact site is.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual entries ==

I like the way #3089130238 laid out the information for that seed. We could definitely use a standard layout for this page. Is there anything else we should be including for each seed, besides the number of map rejections?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:05, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with this, and would love to see some sort of template, for (A) each world, and (B) sites of interest in each world--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:06, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::A layout would be good, but keep in mind that the required bits should be accessible from either the exportable world map or fortress mode site selection. Otherwise, it could become an ungodly hassle to fill out the form and then there'd be no more additions. --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 07:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Seed 92003: I like the volcano named "The Big Flame." It makes me laugh! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Can we please put in seed 1337? (it has 2 or 4 rejects... i cant remember which, if absolutly nothing else... and it has lots of good stuff on it to... i found so many good sites... it was hard to pick which one to... well pick.) but really, its seed 1337, check it out. --[[User:pbhead|pbhead]] 18:20 November 2007 (EST)

:What was good about the sites? People sometimes have very different ideas of what makes for a good world.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

= Paul's Sand? =

"This map has just about anything you could ask for, all in a neat 4x5 area. The low cliffs and small area make for good fps. It was first mentioned on the forums by Paul. The only thing it is really lacking is sand, unless you grow your starting area eastward by 2 more spaces, in which case you'll get some spaces of red sand. Note that it was generated on windows XP, and may be different on another OS. "

I can't seem to find the sand... And I've tried extending it all the way east AND west. What I CAN find is plenty of clay and clay loam...

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 15:10, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I had this same problem. No sand to the east. Also, where's the cave river exactly? --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 01:52, 25 November 2007 (EST)

Bad news: Possibly seeds will generate slightly different worlds... ''in differently updated versions''. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 11:35, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== Paul's Sand? ==

In regard to the map I submitted, I never had sand in the older versions either and was equally curious how people had sand. But I just generated it in 33d and it came out with entirely different minerals and soils. The funny thing is, it came out with SIGNIFICANTLY better minerals and soils. The only editing I did to minerals which I assume MAY have affected this was changing kimberlite to form in a cluster instead of a vein. But I did this in the older version and didn't notice the changes, so that may have been unrelated.

Exact same location pictured in the image has an area with basalt and 2 layers of gabbro on the lower area, chalk gneiss and diorite on the upper area, and black sand/dolomite/granite/diorite on the rightmost square with sparse trees. I think I just found my dream site :D

I haven't checked if it still has the cave river, but I dug down and it does still have the magma and adamantine in the exact same spot and probably has the river too. --[[User:Paul|Paul]] 5:13, 4 December 2007 (CST)

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2007-12-10T23:16:56Z

Qalnor: /* Clean up? */

== Standardization ==
Along with creating a template for the entries, the images need to all be with the standard character sets and not with a graphical set. It's not very useful to be looking at images one is unfamiliar with - may as well not upload the images. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:39, 10 December 2007 (EST) 
::Definitely something to work on with standardizing the information on seeds. Though maybe later, as all you really need to be able to look at is the X marking locations and size of the box on the local map. I finished categorizing the seeds, and later will be trying to work out a general format for seed entries/later submittals. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 18:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)

== Clean up? ==
It was asked why I deleted a seed earlier, and I may just go back and edit it so that it mentions that I tested the seed on two different machines and got vastly different results on the seed than the original seed poster did (see history for seed number). Also, what is your guy's opinions on deleting/redoing entries without maps/pictures or without any major sites of interest? Example: Seed 0 mentions a spot to start at a terrifying volcano but you cannot even embark there.

PS - I'm going to move seeds according to quick creation time (low rejects) and features if possible.

Also, added a nice find to the pre-generated world's list.
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 16:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Unless we are speaking at cross purposes ... I am playing a game right now at the suggested start spot from Seed 0. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:27, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I'll just nuke the useless volcano in the tundra image for now as this is fairly common and taking up room - and you cannot embark anywhere near there. I understand that the seed is worth keeping because of 0 rejects. But in terms of useless information taking up space, that was the point I was trying to make. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

: Well I asked you why you deleted the seed I put back up, if it really doesn't work on other computers then I have no problem taking it down, but I've had no trouble regenerating it and I've had no problem generating other people's seeds. Something you need to do though is make sure you don't alter the settings at all. If there are issues where it only works on certain computers, that's interesting in and of itself, but I haven't seen any evidence of that myself so far. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 18:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)

== Logging sites ==
I like the idea of logging specific sites to seeds, but how is the best way we can organize this? for a good location explaination you probably need a picture. But if we add a lot of pictures to each seed we get a large cluttered page. What shall we do? Add subpages for specific seeds? Try to think of a generic way to log nice sites (for example: Seed: 12323241 coords:12,13 has: ruins, vent, pit, trees, iron , gold, undead elephants of death, more eagels than the US has fighter planes, etc). (Is it possible to determine the coords of a site on the world map?)

And also, I think it is possible to create non number seeds. I'm going to test this.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 08:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
: No for non numbers. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

The forum had a good suggestion. Lets store all the seeds that reject few regions while you create them. (Or at least reject as few regions as possible). The first one with the vulcano in the woods rejects 9 regions. The seed 2 gives a world after 3 rejects according to the forum. http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001234 --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This thread should be interesting. There's even a world with zero rejects. 
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247 [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 02:34, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anybody know how to link to a specific post of the forum? [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 12:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, there isn't a way. This version of the bulletin board code does not place "name" links within the generated forum thread tables as some others do, so no appending of a "#name" to the URL can possibly scroll the browser directly to the post. The best we can do is link to the correct page of the thread and rely on the reader to scroll to the correct post him/herself. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Coordinates ==

This was mentioned briefly on the forum, but we should make some rules for finding specific locations on the map,
As in there is a magma vent in a tile with no volcano near at this position
The question is whether or not to use coordinates that refer to the map you get when you export your map (the big one), or to refer to coordinates in the 3 sections thats show up when you are selecting were to embark to. I'm actually not positive, they match up.
I'm pretty sure the map you get from exporting is 257x308, and I'm not 100% on this, but I think the middle map of the embark mode is exactly the same, I just looked through it, and it seems this way, but I thought (and maybe this was a remnant from 32a) that it didn't if someone else can confirm or deny it that'd be nice.

Anyhow I propose using that middle map as the basis of coordinates: we use the most general map (which is 15x16) and follow it by actual map position, and lastly where in the local map it is. also I propose using what tile it is to define it on each map as well.

here's an example (which you can verify using [SEED:2260691361])

General: (yellow n) 
14 Lat, and 2 lon 
Coordinates: (yellow i) 
220 lat, and 33 lon 
Location: (green i)-(green i) 
1-3 lat, and 5-7 lon 

You have here a elf forest retreat.
 
--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

====Can't use the middle map sorry====
It's always centered on the cursor. Also the large exported map - it may be bugged presently as it seems possible to find regions that are off the edge of what's exported. What would be possible would be to count the steps past where the position on the world (right-most) map changed, this seems to happen every 16 X or Y steps. Suggest indexing from the bottom left (top right if negative values used).
[[User:Djp|Djp]] 01:10, 22 November 2007 (EST)

:Use the world map to see where the approximate location is on the full map and the middle map for landmarks in that vicinity to figure out where the exact site is.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual entries ==

I like the way #3089130238 laid out the information for that seed. We could definitely use a standard layout for this page. Is there anything else we should be including for each seed, besides the number of map rejections?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:05, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with this, and would love to see some sort of template, for (A) each world, and (B) sites of interest in each world--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:06, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::A layout would be good, but keep in mind that the required bits should be accessible from either the exportable world map or fortress mode site selection. Otherwise, it could become an ungodly hassle to fill out the form and then there'd be no more additions. --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 07:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Seed 92003: I like the volcano named "The Big Flame." It makes me laugh! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Can we please put in seed 1337? (it has 2 or 4 rejects... i cant remember which, if absolutly nothing else... and it has lots of good stuff on it to... i found so many good sites... it was hard to pick which one to... well pick.) but really, its seed 1337, check it out. --[[User:pbhead|pbhead]] 18:20 November 2007 (EST)

:What was good about the sites? People sometimes have very different ideas of what makes for a good world.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

= Paul's Sand? =

"This map has just about anything you could ask for, all in a neat 4x5 area. The low cliffs and small area make for good fps. It was first mentioned on the forums by Paul. The only thing it is really lacking is sand, unless you grow your starting area eastward by 2 more spaces, in which case you'll get some spaces of red sand. Note that it was generated on windows XP, and may be different on another OS. "

I can't seem to find the sand... And I've tried extending it all the way east AND west. What I CAN find is plenty of clay and clay loam...

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 15:10, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I had this same problem. No sand to the east. Also, where's the cave river exactly? --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 01:52, 25 November 2007 (EST)

Bad news: Possibly seeds will generate slightly different worlds... ''in differently updated versions''. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 11:35, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== Paul's Sand? ==

In regard to the map I submitted, I never had sand in the older versions either and was equally curious how people had sand. But I just generated it in 33d and it came out with entirely different minerals and soils. The funny thing is, it came out with SIGNIFICANTLY better minerals and soils. The only editing I did to minerals which I assume MAY have affected this was changing kimberlite to form in a cluster instead of a vein. But I did this in the older version and didn't notice the changes, so that may have been unrelated.

Exact same location pictured in the image has an area with basalt and 2 layers of gabbro on the lower area, chalk gneiss and diorite on the upper area, and black sand/dolomite/granite/diorite on the rightmost square with sparse trees. I think I just found my dream site :D

I haven't checked if it still has the cave river, but I dug down and it does still have the magma and adamantine in the exact same spot and probably has the river too. --[[User:Paul|Paul]] 5:13, 4 December 2007 (CST)

40d Talk:Utilities

2007-12-09T21:37:57Z

Qalnor: /* Dwarf Foreman */

== AutoHotKey ==

Should autohotkey be added as a utility tool for dwarf fortress? I know a few forum users have used it to do repetitive tasks like room designations, maybe it could have its own page and a few dwarf fortress specific script?--[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 20:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Ive been looking for a macro program that works within dwarf fortress and thats free. Havent found a good program thats the combination of both. What do you use? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::autohotkey [http://www.autohotkey.com/] is a program like that --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 21:13, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::That was the program I used. Wierd. For me, when I inputed "6" for moving one step right... it moved like 8 steps right or something. Couldnt figure out why. Any ideas? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 22:57, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::::I know that {{k|shift}} + {{k|→}} = 10×{{k|→}}. Could that have something to do with it? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:17, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::::I use "Send {LeftArrow}{Enter}{Enter}", as a test to simply have the wall/floor im building to be placed one step to the right instead of where the cursor actually is. As previously said, however, it didnt work. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:05, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::::::That might be because the {LeftArrow} part isn't right. It's supposed to be just {Left}. I've downloaded the program myself and am not having any issues with it in DF.. I'm running XP, and use it in fullscreen mode, if that helps any. --[[User:Hesitris|Hesitris]] 18:53, 12 November 2007 (EST)

: So could some people who actually know some autohotkey scripts make an article and submit some? --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 13:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)

::I use it and more or less know how it works but as soon as I use it inside DF it bugs out completely and I have no idea why. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:56, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I have a number of scripts that I use, but they randomly bug out for no apparent reason. They will work fine in notepad (ie, output everything exactly as I expect), but be only partially executing and then failing in DF. Again, sometimes they work fine. I could post them and how they work if someone wants. FYI, I am on Vista and that may be an issue. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:39, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::::I'm not sure how CPU cycles and the buffer interact in Vista. Is your FPS low? Perhaps a key is dropping out of the buffer but DF isn't recognizing it due to lag? Or lag might be making the buffer overflow. It might depend on how autohotkey sends keystrokes, I don't know if it simulates a key press or directly input ssomething into the buffer. You could try a small sleep(50), or the equivalent, in autohotkey and see if that helps. Also, make sure it isn't losing focus for some reason due to background programs (although that would be strange) -Gotthard

:::::I think it's a lag issue in DF. I've yet to figure out exactly what is causing lag for me. I think it's pathing with too many dwarfs and too complex of a hallway system over too many Z levels. Also, I think playing very large maps causes me to lag, as well, but I think that's related to the pathing problem and all those other creatures trying to path. It definitely got better in this version, tho. I will hold off on trying to say definitively what's up with AuthoHotkey until after the next patch. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 03:50, 21 November 2007 (EST)

== Dwarf Foreman ==

Crap, can't finish this, or even format it properly because my connection is flaking out when I try to submit to the wiki.--[[User:Trukkle|Trukkle]] 20:28, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:Foreman is looking at the wrong address for the units... which is not a good sign, since I've seen it in the address it seems to be looking at. I've also seen it bounce around. Definitely not a good sign if the list location isn't static. Or we're just looking at the wrong one completely. --[[User:AzureLightning|AzureLightning]]

It's pretty easy to find the addresses for this for new versions. Running the program in the directory with the new version gives you the check= value, and the others are moderately easy to suss. Also, I don't know exactly how it works or why it works, but from C->D->E start and pos were incremented 0x1000 each version, so laziness dictates trying that in future. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 16:37, 9 December 2007 (EST)

<pre>To make foreman compatible with 33d, download the new version and update the config file to the following:

check=007a6535
critter_start=0141EA30
dwarfidpos=0123FAC8
profession_start=45c

And you'll be good to go!</pre>
[http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2677834&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=54#post336697223 Originally posted by Mu.] --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 05:02, 5 December 2007 (EST)

== Yourfilehost ==

Yourfilehost.com has kind of a lousy reputation, and I can confirm it's blocked on certain college networks. Could someone upload these utilities to a more reputable host? -- Mzbundifund 15:55, 04 November 2007 (EDT)
: Such as? --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 18:03, 4 November 2007 (EST)

==heal.exe==

heal.exe does not regrow missing limbs. However, "heal -hurt" on the command line brings missing limbs to red status, and "heal" thereafter restores the being to full health.

I propose a -regrow parameter so we don't have to do this workaround, since if it's possible to bring missing limbs from dark grey to red status it's also possible to grow them back.

Also, when using the -hurt parameter, it still says "059E7210 had 31 body parts '''healed'''", when it should probably say "wounded". --[[User:JT|JT]] 17:58, 10 November 2007 (EST)

: Hmm, if it does heal missing limbs then I just need to change my logic slightly for healing. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)

==reveal.exe==

From what I've tested, reveal for 33a does not work for 33b. --[[User:Sparksol|Sparksol]] 13:39, 17 November 2007 (EST)

:Correct. It uses hardcoded offsets, which will change every time new code is added to DF.
:I have a version hacked for .33b, which I will not distribute out of respect for Rick.
:However, if you are skilled with a hex editor, here's what to do: change the first 5 occurances of the pattern 85 45 01 to the pattern 95 45 01. (The 6th occurance of the pattern is a coincidental match and should not be changed.) Then change the pattern 8C 33 89 00 to the pattern 8C 43 89 00. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:31, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:Actually, as it happens, it looks like Rick has produced updated versions of his tools for .33b. They were built on the 16th. However he hasn't linked to them. I don't know why. The URL they're at requests that no links be made to them, so I'm not going to tell you. Sorry, you'll just have to do the hexedit. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:45, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:I just havn't mirrored them yet, that's all. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:10, 19 November 2007 (EST)
::Hey, I'm curious why the file sizes ballooned. Reveal went from 52k to 101k, a doubling in size. Heal grew even more. Maybe you didn't strip debugging info? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:42, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:::Usage of std libraries mostly. I made a library for working with DF so I wouldn't have to keep duplicating code through projects, and when writing it I figured I might as well make it more friendly for me to code in, hence usage of std:: stuff. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:00, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:Whenever I try to open reveal.exe, the window will open up for a millisecond and then immedietely close. Is this a problem with the program or my windows? I am assuming its windows since everyone else seems to be able to use it. Has anyone else had this problem?--[[User:Varsashi|Varsashi]] 17:59, 26 November 2007 (EST)

::It hasn't been updated to work with 33c, and doesn't. Hopefully it will be updated soon. If you're using 33b, it should open and close quickly but reveal all allocated squares. To allocate all squares for revealing, I'll repeat the advice I've seen elsewhere: go to the lowest level and designate the entire level for digging, then remove the dig designation and run the reveal utility. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:08, 26 November 2007 (EST)

==How to use warp.exe?==
How do you use warp.exe? There's no information on how to use these on the page.--[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 02:10, 21 November 2007 (EST)
: <code>warp.exe</code> by itself will list your current cursor position. After you have the position you want to warp a creature to, you do <code>warp.exe <x> <y> <z></code> as arguments, and it will warp the selected creature (selected with 'V'iew) to that destination, if it can. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 18:10, 21 November 2007 (EST)

==StartProfile==
How does one use this? The readme isn't very helpful. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 01:08, 27 November 2007 (EST)
: Not knowing exactly what you're having trouble understanding, I'll give examples (the one thing I forgot to add in the readme). <code>startprofile 0 Miner.txt</code> - This will set the skill profile of the first Dwarf, in the list of units, to the skills in Miner.txt <code>startprofile 1 Jeweler.txt</code> - This will set the skills on the second Dwarf, in the list of units, to the skills in Jeweler.txt <code>startprofile -x 3 Customprofile.txt</code> - This will save the set of skills on the fourth Dwarf to Customprofile.txt <code>startprofile -v0.27.169.33b 0 Miner.txt</code> Same as the first example, except it'll work on the previous version of Dwarf Fortress. -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 03:28, 27 November 2007 (EST)
::Thanks, I'll try that out. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 21:21, 27 November 2007 (EST)

If you wish to edit the executable, you can modify it so that it works with 0.27.169.33d by making the following changes with a hex editor:
Offset Overwrite With
----------------------------
2A530 | 98 16 25 01 04 00 00 00 DC 00 00 00 F0 08 00 00 70 00 00 00 C0 01 00 00
2A6A6 | 30 2E 32 37 2E 31 36 39 2E 33 33 64
2A77C | 02
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 20:14, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:CBW; PUSH SS; AND EAX, 00000401h; ADD AH, BL; ADD [EAX], AL; ...
:That makes no sense. Must be missing something off the head end.
:3 unknown bytes; ADD [EAX+EAX], EAX; ... No better. Worse, even.
:4 unknown bytes; ADD AL, 00h; ADD [EAX], AL; ... Unh uh. Don't think so.
:8 unknown bytes; ESC-4(00); ... Floating point? Really? No way.
:12 unknown bytes; LOCK OR [EAX], AL ... Insane.
:I don't know what those bytes are, but they're not code.—[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 23:23, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::You're right, they're data. First Row is (left to right, 5 dwords): [[User:Jifodus/Memory research#Addresses_3|Start Address]], Offset from address at start address, Dwarf List begin offset, Starting points offset, Skills offset, remaining skill points points. Second row is a character string (15 chars max). Third row is a dword indicating which data index is default.
:: <tt>//Start Addr, O, Lizt, Ponts, Skll, Remain</tt>
:: <tt>{ 0x01251698, 4, 0xDC, 0x8F0, 0x70, 0x1C0 }</tt> - The read/write locations and whatnot
:: <tt>"0.27.169.33d"</tt> - Used for string comparison (-v flag)
:: <tt>2</tt> - The default version to use is the third in the list (what the above just added).
:: Configuration data can be found between 'DATA_SET' and 'TES_ATAD'. The list has enough space for 16 versions (3 are now in use). I'll just say I didn't want to have to recompile it for all the versions -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 21:52, 6 December 2007 (EST)

==Water==
"Note: If there is lava in a murky pool, it will be raised to depth 7/7."
:Does anyone else find this hilarious? --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 14:11, 28 November 2007 (EST)

40d:Utilities

2007-12-09T21:31:59Z

Qalnor: /* Dwarf Foreman */

Here are third party applications (that were not written by Bay12Games) developed for Dwarf Fortress:

== Movies, Screenshots, Map Files ==

=== DF Map Compressor / DF Map Archive ===

*[http://shadowlord13.googlepages.com/dfmap-index.html SL's DF Map Compressor - Website]
*[http://mkv25.net/dfma/ Dwarf Fortress Map Archive]

The map compressor was created by Shadowlord in May 2007. Extract from the website :
:"The '''DF Map Compressor''' is a program I made to encode Dwarf Fortress fortress or world map images into a much smaller format than is possible with normal image formats. Here's a quick summary of how it works: It determines the size of your tiles from your DF font file (or asks you), splits the map up into tiles, identifies duplicate tiles, writes out every unique tile image, and then writes out a list of ID#s for each tile position which points to the tile image for that tile. What it outputs is piped through the LZMA compressor (the one used in 7-zip), to compress it further. The .df-map file which it writes out is usually less than 100 KB in size. (By comparison, a PNG of the same map can exceed 2 megabytes, depending on how well you compress it, whether you change the color depth, and whether you are using a graphical tileset or detailed font)."

The compressed '''(.FDF-MAP)''' map can then be submitted to the [http://mkv25.net/dfma/ Dwarf Fortress Map Archive]; an online repository website which uses a Flash based viewer to view the map in your browser. (Read more about the [[User:Markavian#DF_Map_Archive|DF Map Archive]] on Markavian's [User page.)

=== CMVPlayer ===

[http://www.geocities.com/jifodus/CMVPlayer.zip Download CMVPlayer.zip]

First released by Jifodus in April 2007. This application enables playback of the DF movies (.cmv) without starting DF. It also provides some more functionalities, such as :
* Rewind
* Pause
* Play frame per frame

To use, simply unzip the file, and drop and drag the movie on CMVPlayer.exe.

== [[User:Rick|Rick]]'s utilities ==
Fabulous tools made by the marvelous Rick. All Hail Rick!

Outdated tools (v0.27.169.32a): [http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=5465reveal.zip reveal.exe] [http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=tileinfo_2.zip tileinfo.exe]

Outdated tools (v0.27.169.33a): [http://kisskapsel.se/adjuststart.exe adjuststart.exe] [http://kisskapsel.se/heal.exe heal.exe] [http://kisskapsel.se/reveal.exe reveal.exe]

Outdated tools (v0.27.169.33b): [http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=4621adjuststart.zip adjuststart.exe] [http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=2802heal.zip heal.exe] [http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=1725reveal.zip reveal.exe] [http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=warp.zip warp.exe]

Outdated tools (v0.27.169.33c): [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33c/adjuststart.exe adjuststart.exe] [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33c/heal.exe heal.exe] [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33c/reveal.exe reveal.exe] [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33c/warp.exe warp.exe]

Outdated tools (v0.27.169.33d): [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33d/adjuststart.exe adjuststart.exe] [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33d/heal.exe heal.exe] [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33d/reveal.exe reveal.exe] [http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33d/warp.exe warp.exe]

Current tools ('''v0.27.169.33e'''):

'''Current version out of date? Have skills to find the newer addresses? [[User:Rick#memory.ini|Check Rick's user page for details on memory.ini]].'''

=== adjuststart.exe ===
[http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33e/adjuststart.exe Download adjuststart.exe]   Modifies the starting number of dwarves and/or the starting points. <tt>adjuststart.exe <dwarves> <points></tt>

Instructions: type cmd in run, put in the location for adjuststart.exe, navigate to the DF main menu, change the starting dwarf number and points in this format: C:\location\adjuststart.exe 10 9999 (gives 10 dwarves, 9999 points) then hit enter.

=== heal.exe ===
[http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33e/heal.exe Download heal.exe]   Heals creature limbs (any creature you can highlight with V basically). You can optionally hurt a creature by specifying -hurt on the command-line arguments.

=== reveal.exe ===
[http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33e/reveal.exe Download reveal.exe]   Makes as much of the map visible as it can (eg, it can't reveal unallocated map blocks) Run while Dwarf Fortress is running.

If you want to reveal the entire map, go to the furthest Z level down you can get to, and designate the entire bottom to be mined, then remove the designation, then run reveal.

=== warp.exe ===
[http://no.shizzle.se/~rgibbed/v0.27.169.33e/warp.exe Download warp.exe]   A creature warper, similar to teleport, but properly sets occupancy flags of the tiles with some limitations (eg: if there are multiple creatures on the source tile, the occupancy flag will still be unset).

== Dwarf Foreman ==
[http://www.pavlovian.net/foreman/ Home page]. Makes switching jobs on and off for large numbers of dwarves simple. Dwarves are grouped by their profession, or custom profession if they have one. By clicking on the graph you can enable any job for all dwarves with that profession. Still in alpha for this version of DF, if it doesn't recognise one of the new professions, check the file '''debug.txt''' in the directory you run foreman from.

Though prone to crashing currently, saving and exiting DF, starting foreman and then starting DF again will usually get it working again. Zorba would also appreciate it if you'd email him the crash log located in the Dwarf Foreman directory when this happens (zorba-foremancrash@pavlovian.net).

Dwarf Foreman currently allows you to change the jobs of visiting merchants, outpost liaisons, children, and any other dwarves that aren't normally controllable. It is unsupported but occasionally hilarious, and allows you to finally put those lazy dwarven children to work.

This handy utility would be an ideal complent to an updated LabourDF.

Source code is available.

Note that to get it to work with 33e, you'll need to change the config file to
<pre>
check=00ACA9C7
critter_start=0141FA30
dwarfidpos=01240AC8
profession_start=45c
</pre>

[[Talk:Utilities#Dwarf_Foreman|Old Version Edits]]

== StartProfile ==
Jifodus wrote a little utility that lets you maintain profiles of your starting dwarves.
Works for versions 0.27.169.33b, 0.27.169.33c, and 0.27.169.33d. Check the readme to find out how to switch between the different versions. If you wish to patch the executable yourself, please check [[Talk:Utilities#StartProfile|the utilities talk page]].

[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001367 Discussion thread]

[http://www.geocities.com/jifodus/StartProfile.zip StartProfile utility]

Incidentally, if you try this utility, please report success/failure in [[Talk:Utilities#StartProfile|the utilities talk page]].

== Enable Magma Buildings ==
Helper utility for Rick's reveal.exe 
[http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=enable_magma_buildings.zip enable_magma_buildings.zip]

You need this utility in the case that you used the reveal utility, and
you had not yet discovered any subsurface magma.
(If the hide utility is ever updated, you could also hide a few magma
tiles and then dig them out. That worked in the old version.)

Because there is no actual flag that controls whether magma has been seen
(the game searches a list, probably a list of notable events), I had to
patch the game's code. This means you need to run the utility every time
you start dwarfort.exe.

This utility has been made version-independent.
It is expected to work with future releases of Dwarf Fortress.

== Teleport ==
[http://angband.org/~erasmus/df/teleport22.zip teleport22.zip] -- Teleport dwarves and other creatures

Version 2.2 is really now independent of the DF version. (33c)

Caveat: The teleport utility does not correctly set the occupancy flag for map squares. As a results, dwarves will permanently crawl through the square that you teleported them out of. In addition, you cannot build structures in those squares.

== Water ==
[http://angband.org/~erasmus/df/water.exe water.exe] -- Quick hack to refill ponds. Run this while your fortress is up, and it'll restore any "murky pool" tiles (i.e. the floor of ponds and lakes) to 7/7 water. If you've tunneled into a pond, it'll still refill but will flow out normally.

Only works with version 33c due to its "quick hack" status.

Note: If there is lava in a murky pool, it will be raised to depth 7/7.

----

== [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_%28computer_science%29 Macro Programs] ==
A program that lets you program scripts/macros so that when you press a certain key combination, or in any other fashion activates the program, a series of keystrokes is sent to the active program instead.

=== [http://www.autohotkey.com/ AutoHotKey] ===
AHK lets you define global hotkeys to send a sequence of keystrokes. For example, you can have {{key|alt}}+{{key|w}} replace {{key|b}}-{{key|C}}-{{key|w}}-{{key|Enter}}-{{key|Enter}} to make wall building much easier.
:*[[User:Valdemar|Rewall Macro]]
:*[[User:Valdemar|Bedroom-building Macro]]
:*[[User:Jackard|Dump Macros]]

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2007-12-09T18:27:20Z

Qalnor:

40d:Pregenerated worlds

2007-12-09T18:22:57Z

Qalnor:

In order to rapidly find working worlds and save on generating time, some users pregenerate and share worlds to others. With the new seed technology, it is possible to share an entire world in as little as a dozen digits. Share neat worlds, unique worlds using Seeds to save upload time, or share worlds using the save file to save on world creation time for others.

== Downloadable worlds ==

Downloadable worlds are worlds which have been generated and then compressed into a single archive file for sharing over the internet. Download the file then extract the folder inside the archive into your /data/save folder in order to use it.

=== Lathondur Minbaz ===

Direct download available here: [http://morlark.uwcs.co.uk/misc/region1.tar.gz Lathondur Minbaz]

=== The Continents of Mist ===

Direct download available here: [http://rapidshare.com/files/69121571/continents_of_mist.zip The Continents of Mist] 
Download includes a list of magma and non-magma sites, each with (non-spoily) description and location map. 
(version v0.27.169.33a, seed 757133686, provided by Fedor)

== Seeds ==

Seeded worlds are special "codes" which tell the game's pseudo-random number generator (a sophisticated mathematical function which produces numbers that seem random) where to begin generating a world. Because the random number generator is actually just a mathematical function and thus always produces the same result when given a certain input, you can "seed" the generator to produce an entire series of random numbers on another computer that are exactly the same as they were originally produced on the first computer.

To use a seeded world, select ''Create a New World'' during the main menu, then hit {{key|s}} to specify a seed. Type in the seed and hit {{key|Enter}}, then hit {{key|Enter}} one more time to begin generation. It will still take the normal amount of time to generate the world, and you will still have rejects before the world is produced.

The random seed used also determines the world's name if a random name is selected. This disrupts the sequence of psudeorandom numbers. As a consequence, a seed with a player-given name will result in a completely different world than the same seed with a random name. Seed publishers should specify whether a random or a given name was selected when generating the world.

Mineral content is determined at the time it is allocated, (essentially when you dig near it). Accordingly the map seed determines the layers and therefore the probability of certain rocks/ores, but the ore veins themselves will vary.

A further warning: there may be other things that affect world generation, such as your operating system. If you generate a world different from one described here, with the same seed and the same name, please mention it with the relevant details (operating system including any service packs, processor type, and game version) here.

=== Seed 0: 0 Rejects and plenty of awesomeness ===

This world uses a random name and was generated in v0.27.169.33a.

[http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmapregion210500hk1.jpg You may see this for yourself here.] Notables are a fairly large ocean in the lower-left corner, and over 7 volcanoes scattered around the map. There also seems to be a nice variety of environments for your leisure. Enjoy!

Here's a volcano in the tundra:

[[Image:Freezingvolcano.JPG|A volcano in an unusual area]]

And here's a starting location with almost literally everything: trees, flux, a magma pocket (not visible from the surface, but only a few levels from the surface below the elevated area between the trees and the sand), all the basic metals, sand and adamantine. There are many other really good sites in the squares around the same volcano, and several similarly ideal sites around volcanoes about six region tiles to the east and southeast.

The dwarven town depicted is my own abandoned fortress; you won't see it when you play.

[[Image:seed0volcano.png|The zen site - one with everything]].

=== Seed 2: A Quick One ===

This seed only rejects 3 regions, so it is one of the quickest to generate. This saves time if your computer is slow, and don't want to download the pregenerated one.

Here is a starting place for seed 2 that is relatively flat, has magma and water on the same Z level. Has flux, sand. Heavily forested and max herbs. Enjoy.

The aquifer is only in the top left corner of this map, and can easily be avoided if you don't wish to deal with one.

'''Neighbors:''' [[Dwarves]], [[Elves]], [[Goblins]], [[Humans]]

'''Features:''' [[Magma vent]], [[Aquifer]]

'''Dominant Stone Types:''' [[Granite]], [[Rhyolite]], [[Andesite]]

'''Sand Types:''' [[Loamy sand|Loamy]], [[Black sand|Black]]

'''Climate:''' [[Temperate]]

'''Biomes:''' [[Temperate Freshwater Swamp]]

'''Generation Features:''' Only 3 rejections

[[Image:Dwarfort_2007-11-03_02-06-26-53.jpg]]

* A couple more nice starting spots right next door have similar features, though with mountains, being slightly further apart and with a higher challenge (being in the "Terrifying" area). Both have sand (in the tree-lined areas) and flux.

[[Image:Df_seeda.png]]

[[Image:Df_seedb.png]]

===Seed 34: One Reject Seed===
Nice and easy for those of you with slow PCs.

=== Seed 2577317804: Volcano Amidst a Thick Forest ===

VeryInky of the #bay12games [[IRC]] channel has discovered that generator seed 2577317804 guarantees a decent sized magma vent, which apparently flows downward to the core of the planet itself. And luckily, it's surrounded by a scenic forest housing deadly creatures.

[[Image:Volcano.jpg]]

The square above this scenic forest with a magma vent, contains also a mamgma vent, a large amount of mountain, but also a forgotten ruin.

=== Seed 2268220040: 3 Volcanic Islands, With at Least 10 Other Random Land Based Volcanoes ===

This world contains over 10 volcanoes, most of them in reasonable positions, some in Forests, some in in mountains, some that are right next to mountains ''and'' forests, and others in less convenient places. However, the real gems are the 3 volcanic islands. Some screens of the volcanic islands even contain both ocean tiles volcanic vent on the same local map.

Ever wanted that volcanic AND secret island lair? This is the world for you.

[[Image:Island-Volcanic-Lair-(s)-cl.gif]]

=== Seed 3089130238: Isolated feature-rich mountain ===
'''Neighbours:''' dwarves.

'''Features:''' 2 chasms (snowflake formation and dryed magma tube), magma tube, cave river and deep pits.

'''Dominant stone type:''' obsidian, gabbro and granite.

'''Common stone types:''' microcline, olivine, orthoclase.

'''Sand type:''' yellow sand near magma-tube.

'''Minerals:''' mountain is rich in copper and silver ores as well as
clusters of gemstones; it lacks, however, steel-producing minerals.

'''Climate:''' untamed wilds mountain surrounded by joyfull tropical broadleaf forests, where both highwood and featherwood grow. Unicorns were seen roaming there.

'''FPS-saving:''' Downmost row on the map-rectangle contains only snowflake-chasm. Leftmost column contains the aforementioned chasm and a part of the forest.

[[Image:3089130238.PNG]]

=== Seed 3706678589: The Domain of Dragons...? ===
'''Horrible Descriptions of Vagueness:''' Near the southern dwarven civilization, there are volcanos right near warm forests, and a little hunting can find you a minimum-size area containing a magma vent, a river, heavy forest, and sand. Which would be ideal if not for the fact that this is a Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest we're talking about, which, if the forum is to be believed, contains some of the most [[Elephant|terrifying creatures]] ever to walk any of the worlds. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:01, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

=== Seed 3416680544: The World of Griffons ===
Seed:3416680544
Rejections: 43
Name: The World of Griffons
F1 Biome, Mountain: Felsite, Diorite, Gabbro
F2 Biome, Taiga: Sand, Black sand, Siltstone, Gabbro, Gabbro
F3 Biome, Taiga: Sand, Marble, Gneiss, Gabbro
F4 Biome, Temperate Conifer Forest: Sand, Black Sand, Siltstone, Gabbro, Gabbro
F5 Biome, Taiga: Loam, Basalt, Schist, Diorite
F6 Biome, Temperate Conifer Forest: Silt loam, Felsite, Diorite, Gabbro
This looks like a pretty nice, but possibly difficult area to settle (for me). It's got a chasm, river, and magma. To start it has some Aluminum and Native gold, as well as a few clusters of gems exposed right along the chasm. Hope the chasm dwelling critters aren't too much of a problem. There's flux, and early magnetite(I think), so you've probably got no issue for steel, either. It will not be hard to find this spot on the map, since it is basically where the cursor starts to begin with, I simply sized it up to get the maximum amount of biomes, feel free to shrink or grow it as you wish. All biomes are Freezing Wilderness surroundings. Here's a pic for good measure.
[[Image:Griffonmap.png]]

=== Seed 1149670256 ===
<blockquote>Pretty funny oddity while I was making new world map, there's two 'volcano mountains' next to each other And in the tile just south of the left most volacno there's both chams and volcano quite close to each other, just dig nice hole in between and you have one chasmfull of dead people, hehe Both of them seem pretty hostile though... To get to the location, just pick regular size zone so that you can reach the red ~ (volcano) icon and two or three rows below it and same amount to left. Then you have both

Didn't check the other volcano sites though, but the one I checked was ~21 levels deep of volcano and same for chasm... </blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001246]

=== Seed 1621458352 ===
<blockquote>Most notable here: a free-standing good-aligned volcano in the woods with a magma vent, a magma lake, a chasm and a water lake all within a small area. For good measure there's a Kobold city on the other side of the mountain, as well as a cave river and chasm-pit somewhere... To top it off it also has adamantine, though it might be hard to get all the features in one fortress.

To find it, look in the top left corner for a lone volcano in a pine forest.

The same world has an evil-aligned volcano in a good-aligned shrubland... I didn't explore the features in that one, as it's so large z-wise it hurts my computer, but it has the brook and vent really close together.
(...)
The world also has at least one site where good and evil vegetated areas meet by a mountain, allowing you to have every type of shurb and every type of tree... except highwood...

It also has an absolutely huge named peak sticking out of a good-aligned forest, as well as a nice volcano sticking out of a good-aligned forest...</blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001246]

=== Seed 941486140: Zero rejects ===
<blockquote>(N)ot only is it ZERO REJECTED, but its got several island volcanoes. (O)ne of them has a caldera by the coast with a cliff overhanging it, and an aquifer which (I) THINK has fresh water in it(...) (S)everal spots have magma and steep cliffs and trees and rivers. Lots of the goblin forts are in neat locations.</blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247]

=== Seed 4265985437: A little bit of everything ===

This map has just about anything you could ask for, all in a neat 4x5 area. The low cliffs and small area make for good fps. It was first mentioned on the forums by Paul. Note that it was generated on windows XP, and may be different on another OS. The only thing it lacks is sand, however if you don't mind changing a raw file you can edit kimberlite to form in a cluster instead of a vein and can get sand.
This makes kimberlite actually appear, which apparently mixes up the entire mineral chart of generated worlds. With this change in place, the exact same location pictured in the image has an area with basalt and 2 layers of gabbro on the lower section, chalk gneiss and diorite on the upper section, and black sand/dolomite/granite/diorite on the rightmost square with sparse trees. All the other features remain intact.

'''Features:'''

'''1.''' Small cave river with waterfall source falling into chasm tiles.

'''2.''' Underground magma chamber, unrevealed at first but close to surface.

'''3.''' A fair sized chasm in one corner.

'''4.''' Adamantine + pits deep below. Dwarves beware.

'''5.''' Excellent minerals, sedimentary limestone and various other base rocks are a source for abundant magnetite with large platinum veins and varied precious metals and gems.

'''6.''' Outdoor trees. Not overly abundant but enough for most purposes.

'''7.''' River running through the area that doesn't freeze (warm climate).

'''8.''' Underground soil present at the start location, providing plenty of immediate farming and storage.

The region is home to thriving goat population, along with occasional visits from hoary marmots and rhesus macaques. A lone giant eagle can usually be seen soaring overhead, ready to devour your hapless dwarves and livestock.

Note that this seed does have 51 rejects, but these are all quickly rejected so the creation time isn't too bad.

[[Image:4265985437.PNG]]

=== Seed 957776166: 11 Volcanos ===
<blockquote>What's special? Well at least 11 volcanos are dotting the lower half, 2 of which are islands. Should be something for everybody maybe, haven't checked it all out. (Except all you glacier folk.)</blockquote> [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247]

Edit: Ok, checked this world out a bit more and so far:
2 volcanic islands in the lower left,
at least 2 volcanic mountains to be played directly on,
at least 2, possibly 4 aquifer volcanoes on right,
2 sets of volcanic twins along lower right mountain range, top set is rich with obsidian starting areas.

On a sad note, still nothing special spotted in the north (cold), and I believe all these areas are alignment neutral. (Although there are good and evil ranges in the world.)

Well, enjoy.
-Funkadelic Jive Turkey

=== Seed 891230954: Resource heaven ===

Fairly quick seed (12 rejects). Quite by accident I stumbled across a sweet little gem of a starting location, although you have to use a fairly large play area to get the full benefit of it. Includes a magma vent with an excellent mineral selection, including magnetite, bituminous coal, and marble (usable as a flux). Can anyone say "steel production"? The upper left-hand corner has white sand for glass production, if you're willing to play with a 5x5 or 6x6 area to stretch from the sand to the magma vent. The sand area also has an aquifer if you want one, but the rest of the map is dry so you have ample stone at your disposal, and the entire map is heavily forested. Reasonably flat map, plenty of ponds. Nothing horribly exciting here, just tons and tons of resources.

[[Image:df_891230954.PNG]]

=== Seed 1010101010: 4 Volcano Cluster ===
This map contains a cluster of 4 volcanos, unfortunately, you can only access two of them in Dwarf Fortress mode and may be in dangerous territories. There's also a few other volcanoes and possibly a few lava vents as well.

[[Image:Volcanocluster.PNG]]

=== Seed 593046736: Grand Canyon + Giant Caldera + all of Paul's & More! ===
'''''Note: The non-random name "The World of Pagan" must be used in order for this seed to generate properly!'''''

This was the very first world I generated, with my first fort being at the isolated mountain cluster on the west side, right by the goblin fortress there. However, when I started searching for a site with HIDDEN_FUN_STUFF, I stumbled on a location that has everything Paul's seed gives plus a whole lot more. In the far southwest of the world is a volcano near the dwarven civilization. This volcano is on the northeast side of the southwest mountains, and the tile with the good stuff is one region square northeast of there (non-descript on the surface). CAVEAT: to fit all the good stuff, you need a local area 9 squares wide and 10 squares tall, starting from the northeast corner. The outdoor river is the feature you lose by trimming the bottom (but you don't lose the second cave river), and if you trim from the right, you lose the giant caldera (but not the magma tube). You could probably get as small as 6x6 and still get everything but the caldera and outdoor river.

'''1.''' quick to generate -- only 4 rejects

'''2.''' a massive mountain peak, with 79 levels of vertical between the top and bottom levels!!!!

'''3.''' a giant volcano caldera to the northeast, plunging for dozens of levels

'''4.''' a crazy spidery chasm with literally dozens of side caves and all sorts of critters

'''5.''' a secret underground river with two waterfalls one that goes into a private chasm

'''6.''' a giant grand canyon to the south with a surface river that has a huge multi-level waterfall

'''7.''' an underground magma chamber that goes to the bottom

'''8.''' eerie glowing pits, complete with bizarre multi-level dungeon and torture room

'''9.''' a small selection of trees and shrubs

'''10.''' adamantine, iron, gold, platinum, copper, galore!

'''11.''' batmen, troglodytes, giant cave swallows, cave spiders, iron men, fire imps, kobolds, magma men, and more!

'''12.''' trade with all civs (human, dwarf, elf)

'''13.''' freezing cold 11 of 12 months of the year -- water only melts in early summer and freezes again by midsummer!!!

[[Image:593046736TheWorldofPagan.png]]

=== Seed 7185120: Snow-Encrusted ===

126 Rejections (and still under 15 minutes on my 1.6 GHz laptop).

This map has snow and ice, and lots of it. The world map looks almost completely frozen, only the bottom 3rd of the export map has significant quantities of non-snow area--which looks to be mostly desert and dry areas.

Haven't looked at the map in detail, might not be worth playing, but it was amusing.

=== Seed 71551: Another quickie ===

5 Rejects.

29 squares left and 11 squares up from the lower left corner is a mirthful glacier with a volcano and dolomite. Potential '''STEEL GLACIER'''!

-Ilmuri

=== Seed 3614285250: Steel, Glass, Obsidian, Platinum, and a cave river for good measure ===

Steel in the form of plentiful magnetite marble and coal, obsidian for rock crafts and swords, glass in the form of black sand, and a couple largish veins of platinum near the cliff face to the west.
The biggest downside is that it has 113 rejections, and no pit either. Otherwise it would be just about the perfect fortress in 4x5. It's even got some nice cliff faces for the traditionalist. The cave river starts at the bottom of the map and it goes straight down (off the map), but it's a source of infinite water and cave plants nonetheless.

[[image:Steelglass fortress.png]]

=== Seed 2967067655: An interesting site with a lot to offer ===

It's too bad everything isn't more compact, but it's still possible to make several interesting fortresses out of one location. The local area includes a river, cave river, cave lake, magma pipe, chasm, pit, demon pit, sand, and trees in a calm/serene area. Black sand also lines the river even though you can't see it here, and the site has enormous amounts of magnetite and flux stone for steel, but unfortunately lacks coke producing materials.

The area I have selected here has everything except the trees, serene area, chasm (it still includes a large pit type chasm), and cave river.

[[image:SiteLocation.png]]

If this were extended a little to the right it would reach the chasm, and a little to the left would reach the cave river. Another interesting way to use the site would be to select the magma vent and the top part of the map, which would include the trees and serene area, but cut off the demon and chasm pits.

-Helo

=== Seed 1988: Two pools of magma, chasm, river and demon pits relatively near to the surface ===
On the 8th tile down from the top and 2nd right from left on the world view there is a volcano surrounded by mountains. The tile northeast of the main volcano contains the magma vent, river and a chasm between them. There also is a second magma pool on the same side with the river. Small traces of adamantite can be found relatively near the surface, but if you go deeper you will find demon pits. The site, however, is rich only in copper apart from the adamantite.

-Elmokki

=== Volcano + Vent surveys ===

List of every volcano visible on the world map, with notes about biomes, water supplies, and other influences on site selection; every vent within 2-4 squares of visible volcanoes; and other sites I've stumbled across on these maps.

* [[User:Kidinnu/8998|Seed 8998]]
* [[User:Kidinnu/9001|Seed 9001]]

=== Seed 92003: Respectable site, probably comparable to Paul's ===

Volcano, flux, good minerals, all civs, sand and trees to the east. No outdoor river, but cave river, lake, pits, chasm. Can be shrunk to 5x5, maybe less, keeping the volcano in the SE corner to retain the best internal features (I'll be vague about which those are to not hint too much about where everything is located).

Generated under Windows NT, not sure if that'll produce a different layout for other OSes.

Still looking for a compact site with all the above goodies plus... skeletal elephants. The northernmost volcano of seed 92001 has almost all that, but is missing flux. Waaaah.

[[Image:Seed_92003.png]]

=== Seed 2536495025: Another respectable site ===

On the world map, 9th column from the right, 3rd row from the top.

Right on the volcano square.

6x4 area at the bottom of the local map gives running surface water, sand, iron ore, flux, abundant hunting grounds and wild plants, but a slight wood shortage, and no coke, lignite, or tin (I happen to have a thing for Bronze.)

=== Seed 987654321 - Quicky ===
''Title: STANDARD'' 
Only 5 rejects, so this one is a quick generation!

=== Seed 473220798 - A quirky one ===
The parameter title, not name, was "SEED" and it was on Windows XP
A world with fairly interesting geography. There are 4 large rivers, various sized oceans, and a few magma pockets here and there. In the south there is very long river that is in a freezing climate so it can start frozen over and has a few magma pockets along it, in case you are feeling adventurous.

=== Seed 120 (=lol!) ===
''It is a well known fact that when you write "lol" with 1337-language, it is written "101". In binary, this is the same as the decimal number 5. This means that "lol!" = 5! From math we all(?) know that 5! = 120. Therefore: 120 = lol!'' 
'''But enough gibberish.''' This world has '''1 reject''' when using the '''seed 120''' 
There is volcano in a forest with a river nearby, and an aquifier for challenge! To find it, its the 5th tile from the left, 4th tile from the bottom on the world map when choosing a site. Also check out two tiles to the right of this (still on the world map), and you will find a volcanic island! :D Searching around you will also find major rivers. In other words, a quick cool seed. Enjoy

=== Seed 1205746126, Waterfall, Magma, Trees, Chalk, Sand, Minerals ===

Need to select random name, which turns out to be "Sil Num", created with version 33a or 33b.
Unfortunately it takes a *long* time because of 266 rejects !

Nice starting site with nearly everything. Of particular note is the 9 level high waterfall in the SE corner of the selected region.

[[Image:Waterfall-1205746126-location.jpg]]

=== Seed 1639366901, A location with practically everything ===

46 rejects.

This seed was the first I created, it has several volcano vents, but one in particular is just fantastic. I can't remember the exact location, but a survey of all the volcano vents will eventually locate it.

(The starting location shown here is 7 up from the bottom, 7 in from the right on the world map, on a superscript 'n' -- [[User:Hapes|Hapes]])

[[Image:Worldofdragons.PNG]]

Sand Types: White and Red
Ore: Iron, Aluminum and Adamantite... plus a lot more
Traders: Dwarves, Elves, Humans
On-Map opposition: Kobolds, Antmen, troglodytes, giant spiders. magmamen and more.

Major Geographic features:

1) The river runs through a canyon, the northern half runs through a red sand basin, the bottom through lush forest.

2) The canyon walls are sheer faces... there is no way to walk out of the river bed into the upper hills!

3) The east bank has the magma, and white sand on the upper tiers to the north, and forests to the south. Be warned, magma channelers: There's a cave river directly below the eastern canyon cliff face. I lost a game by hitting that and overflowing. :/

4) The west bank has a bottomless chasm, and tons of kobolds, trogs, antmen, giant spiders and probably more. And is scattered with loot! It appears the kobolds have been ambushing caravans for a while.... can you stop them?

5) Torture chamber, underground river... so actually, it does have everything.

Also: The kobolds will actually ambush a caravan or two if you are lucky!

And on and on.

=== Seed 1912015873: Mirthful Mountains ===

This produces about 52 rejects, but some of them do a lot of thinking.

In the middle of the map is a huge range of mirthful mountains.

Whatever you'd want them for.

=== Seed 2937366080: Palin's Epic Seed ===
Taken from: [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=001161 Bay 12 Forums Thread]

8 quick rejects.

'''Generate with a random name.'''

Features:

Water Source, Iron, Limestone, Magma, Wood, Black Sand, Pit, Chasm, Massive amounts of gold and tetrahedrite, Considerable quantities of silver, platinum and gemstones, 20 layers of stone, Contact with all races.

If you extend the area selection upwards by one, you can also find a natural waterfall that falls five levels or so, and if you extend the area selection downwards a few squares there's an underground river.

[[IMAGE:6ug4qyr.png]]

=== Seed 3508182976: VonGuard's seed ===
Has at least one place where you get an aquifer-free volcano with nearby water, sand, trees, etc.

=== Seed Toady One ===
Converting Toady One to numbers gives you 2015142505, assuming the space is a 0. The seed results in 3 rejects and
"the Momentous Universes of Vision"
A good world with lots of great rivers.

=== Seed 752741768: 1 Reject, DF v0.27.169.33d===
Created in DF v0.27.169.33d.

[WORLD_GEN]
[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:752741768]

[[Image:Seed_33d.jpg]][[Image:See_magma_2.jpg]]

=== Seed 3273382988: Terrifying, Lava, Chasm, Cave River, Cave Lake, Iron (Magnetite), Mineral Rich ===

[[Image:Ewe.jpg]]

[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:3273382988]

40 or so rejects.

This is 90% the way to the seed of destiny that I've been looking for. What is missing:

- Sand
- Adamantium (It's there, but in the opposite corner as everything else)
- Flux

There is some flexibility in how you set up the fortress. The image above is what I'm using right now, but you can go in different directions and capture different features and mineral quantities.

Location:

World: 6 right, 2 down
Region: 8 right 8 down

=== Seed 2401237437: Sand, Mountains, Magma, Chasms, Small Aquifer Area, Zombie Camels ===

[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:2401237437]
77 Rejects

[[Image:2401237437.jpg]]

Clean white sand and an aquifer to the east, mountains to the west. There are two chasms, a caldera to the west of the magma tube, a spiderweb one to the north. There are some zombified camels running around and assorted chasm dwellers. Minerals are average, not very good for steel.

=== Seed 19860728: Magma, River, Aboveground "Cave Lake" ===

Found by Lord Dullard on the Bay 12 Games forum.

'''Just thought I'd share this, as it's the coolest map I've seen generated yet. Of significant interest are the magma vent, the river (and its source), the *really* neat 'amphitheater' cave lake, and visible deposits of platinum/gold/hematite/aluminum/et cetera. There's a lot of stuff of note on the other Z-levels as well, including a fourteen or fifteen-level drop from the cliffs to the south.'''

The cave lake is actually exposed to the surface (an entryway about 15 tiles wide leading directly to the surface, but roofed in by stone to keep the "cave lake" designation, and goes quite deep.

[[Image:df-19860728.png]]

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Picture of seed 3273382988 Moyoecamo Ewe

40d:Pregenerated worlds

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In order to rapidly find working worlds and save on generating time, some users pregenerate and share worlds to others. With the new seed technology, it is possible to share an entire world in as little as a dozen digits. Share neat worlds, unique worlds using Seeds to save upload time, or share worlds using the save file to save on world creation time for others.

== Downloadable worlds ==

Downloadable worlds are worlds which have been generated and then compressed into a single archive file for sharing over the internet. Download the file then extract the folder inside the archive into your /data/save folder in order to use it.

=== Lathondur Minbaz ===

Direct download available here: [http://morlark.uwcs.co.uk/misc/region1.tar.gz Lathondur Minbaz]

=== The Continents of Mist ===

Direct download available here: [http://rapidshare.com/files/69121571/continents_of_mist.zip The Continents of Mist] 
Download includes a list of magma and non-magma sites, each with (non-spoily) description and location map. 
(version v0.27.169.33a, seed 757133686, provided by Fedor)

== Seeds ==

Seeded worlds are special "codes" which tell the game's pseudo-random number generator (a sophisticated mathematical function which produces numbers that seem random) where to begin generating a world. Because the random number generator is actually just a mathematical function and thus always produces the same result when given a certain input, you can "seed" the generator to produce an entire series of random numbers on another computer that are exactly the same as they were originally produced on the first computer.

To use a seeded world, select ''Create a New World'' during the main menu, then hit {{key|s}} to specify a seed. Type in the seed and hit {{key|Enter}}, then hit {{key|Enter}} one more time to begin generation. It will still take the normal amount of time to generate the world, and you will still have rejects before the world is produced.

The random seed used also determines the world's name if a random name is selected. This disrupts the sequence of psudeorandom numbers. As a consequence, a seed with a player-given name will result in a completely different world than the same seed with a random name. Seed publishers should specify whether a random or a given name was selected when generating the world.

Mineral content is determined at the time it is allocated, (essentially when you dig near it). Accordingly the map seed determines the layers and therefore the probability of certain rocks/ores, but the ore veins themselves will vary.

A further warning: there may be other things that affect world generation, such as your operating system. If you generate a world different from one described here, with the same seed and the same name, please mention it with the relevant details (operating system including any service packs, processor type, and game version) here.

=== Seed 0: 0 Rejects and plenty of awesomeness ===

This world uses a random name and was generated in v0.27.169.33a.

[http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmapregion210500hk1.jpg You may see this for yourself here.] Notables are a fairly large ocean in the lower-left corner, and over 7 volcanoes scattered around the map. There also seems to be a nice variety of environments for your leisure. Enjoy!

Here's a volcano in the tundra:

[[Image:Freezingvolcano.JPG|A volcano in an unusual area]]

And here's a starting location with almost literally everything: trees, flux, a magma pocket (not visible from the surface, but only a few levels from the surface below the elevated area between the trees and the sand), all the basic metals, sand and adamantine. There are many other really good sites in the squares around the same volcano, and several similarly ideal sites around volcanoes about six region tiles to the east and southeast.

The dwarven town depicted is my own abandoned fortress; you won't see it when you play.

[[Image:seed0volcano.png|The zen site - one with everything]].

=== Seed 2: A Quick One ===

This seed only rejects 3 regions, so it is one of the quickest to generate. This saves time if your computer is slow, and don't want to download the pregenerated one.

Here is a starting place for seed 2 that is relatively flat, has magma and water on the same Z level. Has flux, sand. Heavily forested and max herbs. Enjoy.

The aquifer is only in the top left corner of this map, and can easily be avoided if you don't wish to deal with one.

'''Neighbors:''' [[Dwarves]], [[Elves]], [[Goblins]], [[Humans]]

'''Features:''' [[Magma vent]], [[Aquifer]]

'''Dominant Stone Types:''' [[Granite]], [[Rhyolite]], [[Andesite]]

'''Sand Types:''' [[Loamy sand|Loamy]], [[Black sand|Black]]

'''Climate:''' [[Temperate]]

'''Biomes:''' [[Temperate Freshwater Swamp]]

'''Generation Features:''' Only 3 rejections

[[Image:Dwarfort_2007-11-03_02-06-26-53.jpg]]

* A couple more nice starting spots right next door have similar features, though with mountains, being slightly further apart and with a higher challenge (being in the "Terrifying" area). Both have sand (in the tree-lined areas) and flux.

[[Image:Df_seeda.png]]

[[Image:Df_seedb.png]]

===Seed 34: One Reject Seed===
Nice and easy for those of you with slow PCs.

=== Seed 2577317804: Volcano Amidst a Thick Forest ===

VeryInky of the #bay12games [[IRC]] channel has discovered that generator seed 2577317804 guarantees a decent sized magma vent, which apparently flows downward to the core of the planet itself. And luckily, it's surrounded by a scenic forest housing deadly creatures.

[[Image:Volcano.jpg]]

The square above this scenic forest with a magma vent, contains also a mamgma vent, a large amount of mountain, but also a forgotten ruin.

=== Seed 2268220040: 3 Volcanic Islands, With at Least 10 Other Random Land Based Volcanoes ===

This world contains over 10 volcanoes, most of them in reasonable positions, some in Forests, some in in mountains, some that are right next to mountains ''and'' forests, and others in less convenient places. However, the real gems are the 3 volcanic islands. Some screens of the volcanic islands even contain both ocean tiles volcanic vent on the same local map.

Ever wanted that volcanic AND secret island lair? This is the world for you.

[[Image:Island-Volcanic-Lair-(s)-cl.gif]]

=== Seed 3089130238: Isolated feature-rich mountain ===
'''Neighbours:''' dwarves.

'''Features:''' 2 chasms (snowflake formation and dryed magma tube), magma tube, cave river and deep pits.

'''Dominant stone type:''' obsidian, gabbro and granite.

'''Common stone types:''' microcline, olivine, orthoclase.

'''Sand type:''' yellow sand near magma-tube.

'''Minerals:''' mountain is rich in copper and silver ores as well as
clusters of gemstones; it lacks, however, steel-producing minerals.

'''Climate:''' untamed wilds mountain surrounded by joyfull tropical broadleaf forests, where both highwood and featherwood grow. Unicorns were seen roaming there.

'''FPS-saving:''' Downmost row on the map-rectangle contains only snowflake-chasm. Leftmost column contains the aforementioned chasm and a part of the forest.

[[Image:3089130238.PNG]]

=== Seed 3706678589: The Domain of Dragons...? ===
'''Horrible Descriptions of Vagueness:''' Near the southern dwarven civilization, there are volcanos right near warm forests, and a little hunting can find you a minimum-size area containing a magma vent, a river, heavy forest, and sand. Which would be ideal if not for the fact that this is a Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest we're talking about, which, if the forum is to be believed, contains some of the most [[Elephant|terrifying creatures]] ever to walk any of the worlds. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:01, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

=== Seed 3416680544: The World of Griffons ===
Seed:3416680544
Rejections: 43
Name: The World of Griffons
F1 Biome, Mountain: Felsite, Diorite, Gabbro
F2 Biome, Taiga: Sand, Black sand, Siltstone, Gabbro, Gabbro
F3 Biome, Taiga: Sand, Marble, Gneiss, Gabbro
F4 Biome, Temperate Conifer Forest: Sand, Black Sand, Siltstone, Gabbro, Gabbro
F5 Biome, Taiga: Loam, Basalt, Schist, Diorite
F6 Biome, Temperate Conifer Forest: Silt loam, Felsite, Diorite, Gabbro
This looks like a pretty nice, but possibly difficult area to settle (for me). It's got a chasm, river, and magma. To start it has some Aluminum and Native gold, as well as a few clusters of gems exposed right along the chasm. Hope the chasm dwelling critters aren't too much of a problem. There's flux, and early magnetite(I think), so you've probably got no issue for steel, either. It will not be hard to find this spot on the map, since it is basically where the cursor starts to begin with, I simply sized it up to get the maximum amount of biomes, feel free to shrink or grow it as you wish. All biomes are Freezing Wilderness surroundings. Here's a pic for good measure.
[[Image:Griffonmap.png]]

=== Seed 1149670256 ===
<blockquote>Pretty funny oddity while I was making new world map, there's two 'volcano mountains' next to each other And in the tile just south of the left most volacno there's both chams and volcano quite close to each other, just dig nice hole in between and you have one chasmfull of dead people, hehe Both of them seem pretty hostile though... To get to the location, just pick regular size zone so that you can reach the red ~ (volcano) icon and two or three rows below it and same amount to left. Then you have both

Didn't check the other volcano sites though, but the one I checked was ~21 levels deep of volcano and same for chasm... </blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001246]

=== Seed 1621458352 ===
<blockquote>Most notable here: a free-standing good-aligned volcano in the woods with a magma vent, a magma lake, a chasm and a water lake all within a small area. For good measure there's a Kobold city on the other side of the mountain, as well as a cave river and chasm-pit somewhere... To top it off it also has adamantine, though it might be hard to get all the features in one fortress.

To find it, look in the top left corner for a lone volcano in a pine forest.

The same world has an evil-aligned volcano in a good-aligned shrubland... I didn't explore the features in that one, as it's so large z-wise it hurts my computer, but it has the brook and vent really close together.
(...)
The world also has at least one site where good and evil vegetated areas meet by a mountain, allowing you to have every type of shurb and every type of tree... except highwood...

It also has an absolutely huge named peak sticking out of a good-aligned forest, as well as a nice volcano sticking out of a good-aligned forest...</blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001246]

=== Seed 941486140: Zero rejects ===
<blockquote>(N)ot only is it ZERO REJECTED, but its got several island volcanoes. (O)ne of them has a caldera by the coast with a cliff overhanging it, and an aquifer which (I) THINK has fresh water in it(...) (S)everal spots have magma and steep cliffs and trees and rivers. Lots of the goblin forts are in neat locations.</blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247]

=== Seed 4265985437: A little bit of everything ===

This map has just about anything you could ask for, all in a neat 4x5 area. The low cliffs and small area make for good fps. It was first mentioned on the forums by Paul. Note that it was generated on windows XP, and may be different on another OS. The only thing it lacks is sand, however if you don't mind changing a raw file you can edit kimberlite to form in a cluster instead of a vein and can get sand.
This makes kimberlite actually appear, which apparently mixes up the entire mineral chart of generated worlds. With this change in place, the exact same location pictured in the image has an area with basalt and 2 layers of gabbro on the lower section, chalk gneiss and diorite on the upper section, and black sand/dolomite/granite/diorite on the rightmost square with sparse trees. All the other features remain intact.

'''Features:'''

'''1.''' Small cave river with waterfall source falling into chasm tiles.

'''2.''' Underground magma chamber, unrevealed at first but close to surface.

'''3.''' A fair sized chasm in one corner.

'''4.''' Adamantine + pits deep below. Dwarves beware.

'''5.''' Excellent minerals, sedimentary limestone and various other base rocks are a source for abundant magnetite with large platinum veins and varied precious metals and gems.

'''6.''' Outdoor trees. Not overly abundant but enough for most purposes.

'''7.''' River running through the area that doesn't freeze (warm climate).

'''8.''' Underground soil present at the start location, providing plenty of immediate farming and storage.

The region is home to thriving goat population, along with occasional visits from hoary marmots and rhesus macaques. A lone giant eagle can usually be seen soaring overhead, ready to devour your hapless dwarves and livestock.

Note that this seed does have 51 rejects, but these are all quickly rejected so the creation time isn't too bad.

[[Image:4265985437.PNG]]

=== Seed 957776166: 11 Volcanos ===
<blockquote>What's special? Well at least 11 volcanos are dotting the lower half, 2 of which are islands. Should be something for everybody maybe, haven't checked it all out. (Except all you glacier folk.)</blockquote> [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247]

Edit: Ok, checked this world out a bit more and so far:
2 volcanic islands in the lower left,
at least 2 volcanic mountains to be played directly on,
at least 2, possibly 4 aquifer volcanoes on right,
2 sets of volcanic twins along lower right mountain range, top set is rich with obsidian starting areas.

On a sad note, still nothing special spotted in the north (cold), and I believe all these areas are alignment neutral. (Although there are good and evil ranges in the world.)

Well, enjoy.
-Funkadelic Jive Turkey

=== Seed 891230954: Resource heaven ===

Fairly quick seed (12 rejects). Quite by accident I stumbled across a sweet little gem of a starting location, although you have to use a fairly large play area to get the full benefit of it. Includes a magma vent with an excellent mineral selection, including magnetite, bituminous coal, and marble (usable as a flux). Can anyone say "steel production"? The upper left-hand corner has white sand for glass production, if you're willing to play with a 5x5 or 6x6 area to stretch from the sand to the magma vent. The sand area also has an aquifer if you want one, but the rest of the map is dry so you have ample stone at your disposal, and the entire map is heavily forested. Reasonably flat map, plenty of ponds. Nothing horribly exciting here, just tons and tons of resources.

[[Image:df_891230954.PNG]]

=== Seed 1010101010: 4 Volcano Cluster ===
This map contains a cluster of 4 volcanos, unfortunately, you can only access two of them in Dwarf Fortress mode and may be in dangerous territories. There's also a few other volcanoes and possibly a few lava vents as well.

[[Image:Volcanocluster.PNG]]

=== Seed 593046736: Grand Canyon + Giant Caldera + all of Paul's & More! ===
'''''Note: The non-random name "The World of Pagan" must be used in order for this seed to generate properly!'''''

This was the very first world I generated, with my first fort being at the isolated mountain cluster on the west side, right by the goblin fortress there. However, when I started searching for a site with HIDDEN_FUN_STUFF, I stumbled on a location that has everything Paul's seed gives plus a whole lot more. In the far southwest of the world is a volcano near the dwarven civilization. This volcano is on the northeast side of the southwest mountains, and the tile with the good stuff is one region square northeast of there (non-descript on the surface). CAVEAT: to fit all the good stuff, you need a local area 9 squares wide and 10 squares tall, starting from the northeast corner. The outdoor river is the feature you lose by trimming the bottom (but you don't lose the second cave river), and if you trim from the right, you lose the giant caldera (but not the magma tube). You could probably get as small as 6x6 and still get everything but the caldera and outdoor river.

'''1.''' quick to generate -- only 4 rejects

'''2.''' a massive mountain peak, with 79 levels of vertical between the top and bottom levels!!!!

'''3.''' a giant volcano caldera to the northeast, plunging for dozens of levels

'''4.''' a crazy spidery chasm with literally dozens of side caves and all sorts of critters

'''5.''' a secret underground river with two waterfalls one that goes into a private chasm

'''6.''' a giant grand canyon to the south with a surface river that has a huge multi-level waterfall

'''7.''' an underground magma chamber that goes to the bottom

'''8.''' eerie glowing pits, complete with bizarre multi-level dungeon and torture room

'''9.''' a small selection of trees and shrubs

'''10.''' adamantine, iron, gold, platinum, copper, galore!

'''11.''' batmen, troglodytes, giant cave swallows, cave spiders, iron men, fire imps, kobolds, magma men, and more!

'''12.''' trade with all civs (human, dwarf, elf)

'''13.''' freezing cold 11 of 12 months of the year -- water only melts in early summer and freezes again by midsummer!!!

[[Image:593046736TheWorldofPagan.png]]

=== Seed 7185120: Snow-Encrusted ===

126 Rejections (and still under 15 minutes on my 1.6 GHz laptop).

This map has snow and ice, and lots of it. The world map looks almost completely frozen, only the bottom 3rd of the export map has significant quantities of non-snow area--which looks to be mostly desert and dry areas.

Haven't looked at the map in detail, might not be worth playing, but it was amusing.

=== Seed 71551: Another quickie ===

5 Rejects.

29 squares left and 11 squares up from the lower left corner is a mirthful glacier with a volcano and dolomite. Potential '''STEEL GLACIER'''!

-Ilmuri

=== Seed 3614285250: Steel, Glass, Obsidian, Platinum, and a cave river for good measure ===

Steel in the form of plentiful magnetite marble and coal, obsidian for rock crafts and swords, glass in the form of black sand, and a couple largish veins of platinum near the cliff face to the west.
The biggest downside is that it has 113 rejections, and no pit either. Otherwise it would be just about the perfect fortress in 4x5. It's even got some nice cliff faces for the traditionalist. The cave river starts at the bottom of the map and it goes straight down (off the map), but it's a source of infinite water and cave plants nonetheless.

[[image:Steelglass fortress.png]]

=== Seed 2967067655: An interesting site with a lot to offer ===

It's too bad everything isn't more compact, but it's still possible to make several interesting fortresses out of one location. The local area includes a river, cave river, cave lake, magma pipe, chasm, pit, demon pit, sand, and trees in a calm/serene area. Black sand also lines the river even though you can't see it here, and the site has enormous amounts of magnetite and flux stone for steel, but unfortunately lacks coke producing materials.

The area I have selected here has everything except the trees, serene area, chasm (it still includes a large pit type chasm), and cave river.

[[image:SiteLocation.png]]

If this were extended a little to the right it would reach the chasm, and a little to the left would reach the cave river. Another interesting way to use the site would be to select the magma vent and the top part of the map, which would include the trees and serene area, but cut off the demon and chasm pits.

-Helo

=== Seed 1988: Two pools of magma, chasm, river and demon pits relatively near to the surface ===
On the 8th tile down from the top and 2nd right from left on the world view there is a volcano surrounded by mountains. The tile northeast of the main volcano contains the magma vent, river and a chasm between them. There also is a second magma pool on the same side with the river. Small traces of adamantite can be found relatively near the surface, but if you go deeper you will find demon pits. The site, however, is rich only in copper apart from the adamantite.

-Elmokki

=== Volcano + Vent surveys ===

List of every volcano visible on the world map, with notes about biomes, water supplies, and other influences on site selection; every vent within 2-4 squares of visible volcanoes; and other sites I've stumbled across on these maps.

* [[User:Kidinnu/8998|Seed 8998]]
* [[User:Kidinnu/9001|Seed 9001]]

=== Seed 92003: Respectable site, probably comparable to Paul's ===

Volcano, flux, good minerals, all civs, sand and trees to the east. No outdoor river, but cave river, lake, pits, chasm. Can be shrunk to 5x5, maybe less, keeping the volcano in the SE corner to retain the best internal features (I'll be vague about which those are to not hint too much about where everything is located).

Generated under Windows NT, not sure if that'll produce a different layout for other OSes.

Still looking for a compact site with all the above goodies plus... skeletal elephants. The northernmost volcano of seed 92001 has almost all that, but is missing flux. Waaaah.

[[Image:Seed_92003.png]]

=== Seed 2536495025: Another respectable site ===

On the world map, 9th column from the right, 3rd row from the top.

Right on the volcano square.

6x4 area at the bottom of the local map gives running surface water, sand, iron ore, flux, abundant hunting grounds and wild plants, but a slight wood shortage, and no coke, lignite, or tin (I happen to have a thing for Bronze.)

=== Seed 987654321 - Quicky ===
''Title: STANDARD'' 
Only 5 rejects, so this one is a quick generation!

=== Seed 473220798 - A quirky one ===
The parameter title, not name, was "SEED" and it was on Windows XP
A world with fairly interesting geography. There are 4 large rivers, various sized oceans, and a few magma pockets here and there. In the south there is very long river that is in a freezing climate so it can start frozen over and has a few magma pockets along it, in case you are feeling adventurous.

=== Seed 120 (=lol!) ===
''It is a well known fact that when you write "lol" with 1337-language, it is written "101". In binary, this is the same as the decimal number 5. This means that "lol!" = 5! From math we all(?) know that 5! = 120. Therefore: 120 = lol!'' 
'''But enough gibberish.''' This world has '''1 reject''' when using the '''seed 120''' 
There is volcano in a forest with a river nearby, and an aquifier for challenge! To find it, its the 5th tile from the left, 4th tile from the bottom on the world map when choosing a site. Also check out two tiles to the right of this (still on the world map), and you will find a volcanic island! :D Searching around you will also find major rivers. In other words, a quick cool seed. Enjoy

=== Seed 1205746126, Waterfall, Magma, Trees, Chalk, Sand, Minerals ===

Need to select random name, which turns out to be "Sil Num", created with version 33a or 33b.
Unfortunately it takes a *long* time because of 266 rejects !

Nice starting site with nearly everything. Of particular note is the 9 level high waterfall in the SE corner of the selected region.

[[Image:Waterfall-1205746126-location.jpg]]

=== Seed 1639366901, A location with practically everything ===

46 rejects.

This seed was the first I created, it has several volcano vents, but one in particular is just fantastic. I can't remember the exact location, but a survey of all the volcano vents will eventually locate it.

(The starting location shown here is 7 up from the bottom, 7 in from the right on the world map, on a superscript 'n' -- [[User:Hapes|Hapes]])

[[Image:Worldofdragons.PNG]]

Sand Types: White and Red
Ore: Iron, Aluminum and Adamantite... plus a lot more
Traders: Dwarves, Elves, Humans
On-Map opposition: Kobolds, Antmen, troglodytes, giant spiders. magmamen and more.

Major Geographic features:

1) The river runs through a canyon, the northern half runs through a red sand basin, the bottom through lush forest.

2) The canyon walls are sheer faces... there is no way to walk out of the river bed into the upper hills!

3) The east bank has the magma, and white sand on the upper tiers to the north, and forests to the south. Be warned, magma channelers: There's a cave river directly below the eastern canyon cliff face. I lost a game by hitting that and overflowing. :/

4) The west bank has a bottomless chasm, and tons of kobolds, trogs, antmen, giant spiders and probably more. And is scattered with loot! It appears the kobolds have been ambushing caravans for a while.... can you stop them?

5) Torture chamber, underground river... so actually, it does have everything.

Also: The kobolds will actually ambush a caravan or two if you are lucky!

And on and on.

=== Seed 1912015873: Mirthful Mountains ===

This produces about 52 rejects, but some of them do a lot of thinking.

In the middle of the map is a huge range of mirthful mountains.

Whatever you'd want them for.

=== Seed 2937366080: Palin's Epic Seed ===
Taken from: [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=001161 Bay 12 Forums Thread]

8 quick rejects.

'''Generate with a random name.'''

Features:

Water Source, Iron, Limestone, Magma, Wood, Black Sand, Pit, Chasm, Massive amounts of gold and tetrahedrite, Considerable quantities of silver, platinum and gemstones, 20 layers of stone, Contact with all races.

If you extend the area selection upwards by one, you can also find a natural waterfall that falls five levels or so, and if you extend the area selection downwards a few squares there's an underground river.

[[IMAGE:6ug4qyr.png]]

=== Seed 3508182976: VonGuard's seed ===
Has at least one place where you get an aquifer-free volcano with nearby water, sand, trees, etc.

=== Seed Toady One ===
Converting Toady One to numbers gives you 2015142505, assuming the space is a 0. The seed results in 3 rejects and
"the Momentous Universes of Vision"
A good world with lots of great rivers.

=== Seed 752741768: 1 Reject, DF v0.27.169.33d===
Created in DF v0.27.169.33d.

[WORLD_GEN]
[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:752741768]

[[Image:Seed_33d.jpg]][[Image:See_magma_2.jpg]]

=== Seed 3273382988: Terrifying, Lava, Chasm, Cave River, Cave Lake, Iron (Magnetite), Mineral Rich ===

[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:3273382988]

This is 90% the way to the seed of destiny that I've been looking for. What is missing:

- Sand
- Adamantium (It's there, but in the opposite corner as everything else)
- Flux

Location:

World: 6 right, 2 down
Region: 8 right 8 down

=== Seed 2401237437: Sand, Mountains, Magma, Chasms, Small Aquifer Area, Zombie Camels ===

[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:2401237437]
77 Rejects

[[Image:2401237437.jpg]]

Clean white sand and an aquifer to the east, mountains to the west. There are two chasms, a caldera to the west of the magma tube, a spiderweb one to the north. There are some zombified camels running around and assorted chasm dwellers. Minerals are average, not very good for steel.

=== Seed 19860728: Magma, River, Aboveground "Cave Lake" ===

Found by Lord Dullard on the Bay 12 Games forum.

'''Just thought I'd share this, as it's the coolest map I've seen generated yet. Of significant interest are the magma vent, the river (and its source), the *really* neat 'amphitheater' cave lake, and visible deposits of platinum/gold/hematite/aluminum/et cetera. There's a lot of stuff of note on the other Z-levels as well, including a fourteen or fifteen-level drop from the cliffs to the south.'''

The cave lake is actually exposed to the surface (an entryway about 15 tiles wide leading directly to the surface, but roofed in by stone to keep the "cave lake" designation, and goes quite deep.

[[Image:df-19860728.png]]

40d Talk:Fire-safe

2007-12-05T20:56:38Z

Qalnor: flux not fire safe?

There is a in-game distinction between fire-safe and magma safe. Apparently some stones are better at heat than others.
Fire-safe are only meant for regular furnaces, not magma. (although magma resisting materials are also fire-safe, of course).
That's why I linked to two separate pages.
A suggestion could be to make a table of materials and check which one can withstand regular heat and which ones can withstand magma.
[[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 22:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== flux not fire safe? ==

I'm fairly sure flux is no longer considered fire-safe.

40d:Fire-safe

2007-12-05T20:56:01Z

Qalnor: I think this is wrong now

'''Fire-safe materials''' are building materials that cannot catch on [[Fire|fire]]. These include [[Stone|stone]], [[Glass|glass]], and [[Metal|metal]]. [[Wood]] is not a fire-safe material. Fire-safe materials are only required when the object is going to come into contact with extreme heat, such as near magma.

Strangely enough, flux materials (eg limestone blocks), which are burnt up in the purification of impurities in pig iron for production of steel, are considered fire-safe and it is perfectly fine to burn calcite as a flux making steel in a limestone furnace. [[Ice]] is a fire-safe material, for some reason.{{verify}}

40d Talk:Smelter

2007-12-05T20:53:58Z

Qalnor: wood?

So do the choices in the smelter cover all possibilities with the stone in a player's stockpiles? Or does stone anywhere on the map get included once it's mined? I dig out lots of yellow-symbol rock, which I think should be gold, but my smelter gives me no apparent ability to use it. Or its not gold... --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 20:53, 9 November 2007 (EST)
:Gold looks like [[gold nuggets|this]]. Are you sure you found gold? Maybe it was [[orthoclase]] --[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 21:16, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== wood? ==

I'm going to have to check at home to be sure, but I believe that wood is completely off limits and the type of stone is also somewhat limited.

40d:Bauxite

2007-12-05T20:50:50Z

Qalnor: changed adamantine to raw adamantine

{{Stone|name=Bauxite|tile=+|color=#800
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as large clusters
|properties =
* [[Magma proof]]
* [[Material value]] 1}}
Bauxite is the only stone, apart from [[Raw_adamantine|adamantine]], which is suitable for the construction of [[mechanism|mechanisms]] to be used in [[floodgates]] which will come into contact with [[magma]].

[[Category:Stone]]
[[Category:Sedimentary Stone Layers]]

40d:Bauxite

2007-12-05T20:49:52Z

Qalnor: rewrote

{{Stone|name=Bauxite|tile=+|color=#800
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as large clusters
|properties =
* [[Magma proof]]
* [[Material value]] 1}}
Bauxite is the only stone, apart from [[adamantine]], which is suitable for the construction of [[mechanism|mechanisms]] to be used in [[floodgates]] which will come into contact with [[magma]].

[[Category:Stone]]
[[Category:Sedimentary Stone Layers]]

40d Talk:Dragon

2007-12-03T20:01:03Z

Qalnor: /* Disapointment */

= Tameable? =

Are Dragons tameable in this version? Supposedly they were in the previous version, but I am not sure. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

If you see a Hyrda in a fortress, will a Dragon ever appear, or will you forever see Hyrdas going forward? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, they can be tamed once you get the [[dungeon master]], just like before. --[[User:JT|JT]] 18:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:: What about multiple types of megabeasts showing up? Or is it "once a hyrda, always a hydra?"

=Disapointment=
I was pretty disappointed with my first Dragon. It came during a goblin siege, and proceeded to make a bee line for them. The first goblin bolt grounded it as unconscious, and the second killed it. Highly anticlimactic, it didn't even singe anything. Would be nice if they were somewhat threatening. --Gotthard 13:50, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:This is not a problem with dragons, it's a recuring problem from ranged weapons. Did you ever try to send champions against a horde of bowmen? They'd die just as easily as recruits... --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 14:30, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::I would say it is somewhat a problem with megabeasts in general, though. Someone actually mentioned this to me in another context the other day, but megabeasts really need to have some special mechanics for them if they're going to be very mega.--[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 15:01, 3 December 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Dragon

2007-12-03T20:00:51Z

Qalnor: /* Disapointment */

40d:Starting builds

2007-12-03T02:17:00Z

Qalnor:

== Fortress Site ==
Each fortress site offers particular challenges and opportunities; the starting builds below should be adjusted depending on what sort of fortress you envision ... and what it will take to stay alive where you're going!

=== Mountains ===
Most dwarven fortresses are founded along the edges of mountain ranges on sites that combine abundant ore and access to the outside world. Magma and rare metals lure settlers here, but [[goblins]], [[chasm]] dwellers, and even [[giant eagle]]s are potent threats.

Trees and plants do not grow at high elevations, so you'll want to include non-mountainous areas to obtain lumber and food - or, failing this, to pack a lot of extra food and logs.

Other consideration is elevation range. The game allows access up to 15 levels above the highest peak and 15 levels below the deepest valley, so steeper slopes means much more diggable area. The downside is lag; more levels also means more CPU burden (this can cripple a fortress - be careful).

Be sure to include a stream on the map; running water is (almost) essential for any fortress. In Cold and Freezing climates streams and lakes will often be frozen year-round and your dwarves may quickly die of exposure. Choose Temperate or tropical zones for an easier game.

=== Wooded Plains (with trees and plants) ===
Flatlands with at least some trees and gatherable plants can also make for highly successful fortresses.

Advantages over mountain zones include abundant trees and plants, guaranteed agriculture both on the surface and underground, fewer hostile fortresses and caves, and (unless frozen) more abundant water. There are even (rare) magma vents.

The greatest disadvantage is lack of rock to mine. Fewer elevations means fewer exploitable z-levels. The first few levels below the surface are almost always soil, peat, loam, clay, or sand, none of which offers much (or any) gems, ore, or building material. An [[aquifer]], if present, may bar all access to stone until you freeze, pump out, or find a way through the water.

=== Desert, Glaciers, and Barren (few or no trees and plants) ===
Treeless (or near-treeless) biomes are challenging sites for a fortress: you get most of the disadvantages of a flatland site without having access to nearly as many trees and plants. However, near-lifeless zones such as glaciers are wonderful for those with slower machines, as there's little to burden the CPU but your dwarves and livestock. Deserts and barren areas often have sand; with a sufficient source of energy (preferably magma), you can build almost anything out of unlimited glass.

=== Ocean Side ===

An interesting combination of a few of the above locations, beaches are often a mix of ease intermingled with bouts of extreme difficulty. Minerals and trees are often abundant, as well as farmland and sand, but there is often no drinking water unless the biome has a river.
There is also a likelihood that the settlement will fall between two biomes, potentially hazardous if the player expects a peaceful oceanside meadow, without realizing the ocean is full of amphibious zombie whales.

== Starting Builds ==
Many of the quantities suggested end in a "1" or a "6"; this is to maximize the number of [[barrels]] you start with, since most foodstuffs fit five to a barrel. More barrels will let you build a larger stockpile for your first winter and conserves the [[wood]] you harvest in the early game for beds and other necessities.

=== Basic ===
The first order of business is simply to survive. Here is a simple, somewhat paranoid, way to do this.

==== Dwarves & skills ====
On most (but not all) sites, you'll want to get food, brew drink, mine, make wood and stone items, and trade. Whatever additional skills you purchase, be sure to cover these. If you need more points to buy skills (and it's a good idea to buy lots of skills), remove a battle axe.

* 2 miners
* 1 mason/mechanic
* 1 carpenter/woodcutter
* 1 grower/brewer/cook. He's responsible for making prepared meals and drinks.
* either a herbalist/grower, or a fisherdwarf, or a hunter. The first gets you lots of brewable plants on maps with plants, the second gets you food and bones on maps with water (in maps with dangerous fish such as [[carp]] fishing is suicidal so be carefull), and the third gets you meat and bones on maps with animals. Herbalism is usually the safest of the three.
* 1 spare dwarf. You might make him the leader and broker; if so, give him at least novice [[appraiser]] skill so you know what stuff is worth. You might make him responsible for making trade goods, or turn him into your first soldier, or you might just give him some skills you want to experiment with.

==== Items ====
You want picks, food, and drink. Everything else is optional. The suggestions below assume you spent the maximum possible on skills. We'll pack lots just to be safe.

* 2 [[pick]]s - 1 per miner
* 1 [[battle axe]] - so you can chop wood
* 1 [[Anvil]] - so you can make weapons, trade crafts, and such
* 20 units of drink: [[dwarven ale]], [[dwarven beer]], and [[dwarven rum]] are all good. [[dwarven wine]] you'll get through brewing.
* 30 [[plump helmets]] - They're good to eat and produce 5 units of booze for each one brewed at a [[still]].
* 5 turtles - they get you bones and shells
* 20 [[plump helmet]] spawn - for planting.
* 2 dogs - to guard against thieves and help kill intruders.
* (optional) other kinds of seeds and rock nuts
* (optional) 1 of many different kinds of meats for extra barrels
* (optional) some cheap (5 point) leather to make quivers and bags and such

If the map is treeless, remove the battle axe and spend the freed points on more plump helmets and logs (you're going to run out however many you bring...).

If you're willing to wait a year or two to do any metalworking and you're sure traders will come, remove the anvil and spend the freed points on such things as skills, food and drink, wood, leather, or weapons.

=== '''Rapid Expansion''' ===
A plan for quick growth followed up by heavy immigration works well both as an early game strategy and as an assist for a late game foundation. Starting off with the anvil is also much less troublesome if you drop both battleaxes and make your own picks too. Don't worry though, you'll be digging out cavernous villas in no time, and cheaply too, with this build. Food and stone will be in abundance and you'll have excellent worker time utilization. And due to the early metalworking and spreaded skills your dwarves have, soon you'll have powerful steel-armored warrior workers that'll form the bedrock of a city guard.

Always build a Woodburning Furance, Smelter and Metalsmith shop first, and take apart that wagon for extra logs. Either burn those logs into charcoal, or smelt coal into fuel, and then make your tools.

==== Dwarves & skills ====
By dropping both picks and axes you'll be able to afford a lot of useful skills, and you'll be able to get a metalsmithing shop running within the first seconds of your game, so no precious time is lost. Your Dwarves are divided largely into two groups, your laborers (Butcher, Baker and candle--er, Brewer) and your craftsdwarves. Essentially a Bluecollar/Whitecollar divide to set up a nice class war later. Also, by having such wide assortments of skills, your dwarves will get lots of attribute bonuses and become extremely capable fighters by the time you need to worry about that.

Laborers are given mining and growing skills with some extra to cover food production. The Ranger is the oddball, but will spend his early days gathering plants and hauling items, so fits here. Your first order of business with them is to dig that top later out quickly and get some farms started and fully stocked. Then, as they grow, you can go back to digging out the rest of the base.

* The Baker: +5 Mining, +3 Cooking, +2 Growing.
* The Brewer: +5 Mining, +3 Brewing, +2 Growing.
* The Butcher: +5 Mining, +1 Butchering, +1 Leatherworking, +1 Tanning, +2 Growing. Make some bags for sand and the Quarry Bushes and a butcher's shop before the Ranger starts his hunts.

* The Ranger: +3 Woodcutter, +3 Carpenter, +2 Axedwarf, +1 Herbalist, +1 Ambusher. Be sure to assign a war dog or two to this guy, since he's the only one who needs to go outside. Once he gets an axe, he'll also be a competant fighter and hunter and will start with armor due to +1 ambusher.

Craftsdwarves focus on running shops, building trade goods, and making the outpost as profitable as possible in the first year, to attract additional immigrants that can be thrown into the mines or toil in the mushroom fields. They should have very broad skill bases, but the actual choice of leader is up to you.

* The Smithy: +1 Metalsmith, Armorsmith, Weaponsmith, Furnace Operator, Wood Burner, Stone Crafting, Bone Carving. This guy will cover all of your rarely needed creation skills, and make your picks and axes. After this he usually ends up making scads of stone crafts for sale. Glassworking, gem cutting, and potash making are good as well, and even with novice in all areas you'll build fast enough for these rare items.
* The Foreman: +3 Building Design, +3 Mechanic, +1 Judge of Intent, Appraiser, Organizer, Record Keeper. Building design and mechanical work is extremely quick work, so instead give him nobleman skills to spend the rest of his workhours on. These are extremely useful in the long-term.
* The Freemason: +5 Masonry. It seems a bit silly to give him just one primary skill, but Masons are usually working 24 hours a day on all variety of stone doors, chairs and tables.

There's a variation if you want a more 'compact' design of those last two:

* The Construction Worker: +5 Masonry, +3 Mechanic, +2 Building Design.
* The Lazy Boss: +3 Fishing, +3 Fish Cleaning, +1 Judge of Intent, Appraiser, Organizer, Record Keeper.

This is not as useful or safe, as Fishing is a time-intensive skill, so it takes him away from his recordkeeping job for extended periods and a Carp might kill him. It also forces your Mason to get behind on Queues every time someone needs a trap build or a workshop set up. Halting book-keeping doesn't slow down any production, so the original stat-spread can work out better.

==== Items ====
The only thing you need is your anvil, a few stones and bars of metal, everything else is optional. A point of contention is the Iron Axe you'll be making, as some may prefer it to be steel. Steel Bars cost 150, which is three times the cost of iron, and only provide a small damage bonus and no chopping speed bonus. If you start in an area with [[Limestone]] or [[Chalk]] you'll soon be able to smelt Steel with your functioning metalsmith shop anyway. If you're on a map without trees, well, I suppose you don't need the axe at all. But in that case you'd be better off taking the picks, dropping the anvil, and buying a few hundred logs.

* 1 [[Anvil]] - this is what makes it all possible, and helps you get started faster.
* 3 [[Copper Bars]] - these cost 10 each, and will be your picks. Three for the price of one, literally.
* 1 [[Iron Bar]] - this costs 50, and will be your axe. The 40 extra is worth it for the damage increase you get over copper or bronze.
* 2 [[Bituminous Coal]] or [[Logs]] - you can smelt two coal into 4 fuel for the cost of 2 logs. Inexpesive at 3 each, one can afford to bring more.
* 4 cheap stone - any sort works, such as inexpensive [[granite]]. You'll use these to make your first three buildings.

That's what you need to get started, but this is a guide for the items on your list. This build does not require or recommend bringing plump helmets due to their cost. Instead, encourage your dwarves to eat the turtles and meat out of the barrels and cook wine biscuts. Your farms will be running amazingly quickly anyway, and for half the cost of a single helmet you can make feed several dwarves on baked beer. You'll get enough seeds from brewing the shrooms soon enough.

* 26 of [[Wine]], [[Rum]], [[Beer]] and [[Ale]]
* 36 of [[Rock Nuts]], [[Plump Helmet Spawn]] and [[Pig Tail Seeds]]
* 11 [[Turtles]] - these hilarious little dudes are way better than the monkeymeat you usually set out with, what with all the bones they leave. I use these as 'before farming' rations and build up a good supply of bone bolts. Shells are also valuable to have around.
* 1 of each other 2 cost meat, for extra empty barrels.
* 2 [[Dogs]] - preferably war dogs or hunting dogs. Assign these to your Ranger. Bring a pair so you can make more dogs.
* 1 [[Horse]] - they're relatively inexpensive and will help you begin breeding horses faster, as you are nearly always getting a horse with your wagon. Livestock are a valuable commodity for meat and bones, and you want as many of these as possible 'emergency rations' on hand.
* 4 [[Leather]] - you need leather bags to process [[quarry bushes]] and to gather sand for glass. Four will be enough, and you can get it for only 20.

If you do it exactly as written, you will end up with a few points left over. Grab some extra food or upgrade one of your copper bars to an actual copper pick, if you want a faster start. These foodstuffs will last a very long time if managed properly, so get your farms going and start preparing for next year now.

=== Metalbashing/Glassworking ===
Heavy metalbashing and glassworking requires a site with 1) abundant fuel and 2) raw materials. Magma is ideal but large coal seams or a forest will also suffice. A site with either limestone or chalk means nearly unlimited steel. Any site with "sand" (not "loamy sand" or the like) will permit glassworking. Failing these, any place with lots of rock, trees, and preferably sand will work fine. Your biggest choice when setting up is whether to optimize for a fast start or long-term success.

==== Dwarves & skills ====
Unless you're trying a low-skills challenge, each dwarf should get the maximum possible number (currently 10) of skill boosts; remove a battle axe to free up needed points. Individual preferences can be mighty handy; if you have a dwarf who likes steel, clear glass, crossbows, siege engine parts, or something else equally interesting, he's an ideal candidate for matching skills.

* A carpenter/leader: Points into Carpenter, Wood Cutter, and a bunch of nobles' skills, including at least novice Negotiator and Appraiser. This dwarf should have good inter-personal thoughts/preferences.
* A Mason/Mechanic: Points into Mason, Building Designer, and Mechanic. Adding more points to Mason gets construction materials and furniture faster. More points to Mechanic allows faster trap-setting. Adding Appraiser and/or Negotiator skills gives you a back-up leader or broker. A boost to Wrestling gets you better on-call defense.
* A Farmer/Herbalist (assumes the site has at least some plants): This dwarf will gather the plant material you need to brew drinks. Points into Grower and Herbalist. Leftover skill raises should be invested in a valuable, hard to raise trade skill such as Metalsmith, Metal Crafter, or perhaps Glassworking.
* A Farmer/Brewer/Cook: This dwarf is responsible for keeping your community fed and liquored up. Points into Grower, Brewer, and (optionally) Cook. Leftover skill raises should be invested as for the Farmer/Herbalist.
* A Metalbasher: Points into whatever hard-to-raise skills you most want. Armorsmith, Weaponsmith, Bowyer, Glassworker, and even Siege Engineer can all be good choices depending on your setup. Remember to spend a few points on Furnace Operator and perhaps also Wood Burning.
* 2 Miners/Soldiers: Points into both mining and military skills. The miners first get legendary and then become extremely powerful fighters. Remember that it's much easier to increase Mining skill than most of the military skills (especially Armor User), but also that you'll want capable miners immediately.

With this setup, you have several ways to make the trade goods you'll need to buy what you lack. Metal goblets, stone mugs, handwear, footwear, mechanisms, bone or wood crossbows, prepared meals, or bone and shell crafts are all solid choices.

==== Items (all starts) ====
* 2 [[pick]]s
* 6 or 11 of each of [[dwarven ale]], [[dwarven beer]], and [[dwarven rum]]. With abundant brewable plants and lots of wood you don't actually need any starting booze, but it's nice to have a backup.
* at least 11 [[plump helmet]]s. Bring a lot more if you anticipate problems with gathering brewable plants.
* at least 6 [[turtle]]s. Not only are they good eating, they ensure you have the [[shell]]s and [[bone]]s needed to satisfy [[strange mood]]s.
* 1 of every kind of meat that costs 2 or 4, as each type of meat will be packed in its own free barrel and cooking the meat will release that barrel for use. If you don't like this feature, bring more turtles or plump helmets instead.
* Unless the map is glacial, or you intend only outdoor agriculture, bring plenty of seeds as well. A minimum of 15 plump helmet spawn are essential for a quick start to underground agriculture; rock nuts, sweet pod seeds, pig tail seeds, and cave wheat seeds will diversify your meals and drinks and let you set up for clothes-making. Seeds are packed in bags.
* (optional) some cheap (5 point) leather to make quivers and bags and such

===== Items (fast start) =====
* 1 [[Anvil]]
* no [[battle axe]] ... as long as you're confident the site has either iron or copper.
* only a few logs (just enough to get started with), unless the map has no trees

===== Items (moderate start) =====
* no [[Anvil]]
* 1 [[battle axe]] (at present, steel is the only option)
* few or no logs, unless the map has no trees
* with the points you save by not bringing an anvil, buy logs and metal cages. Each cage can be melted into one metal bar, which is an easy way to ensure stocks of metals you expect your site to lack. That missing anvil will slow you down until you get one in trade (which normally takes about 6 or 7 seasons) and might even cost you a failed [[strange mood]], but it means 50 extra metal bars or enough logs to make beds and barrels for all.

===== Items (slow start) =====
* no [[Anvil]]
* no [[battle axe]]s
* lots of logs - at least 25 on a heavily forested map. You can survive without them, but it's a lot cheaper to buy logs to make barrels than to bring more drink.

===== Cheaper axes and/or picks, with a bit of work (and any other weapons you want) =====

Steel axes normally cost 300 points each. Instead of spending that much on them, you can make yourself iron or copper axes by bringing the resources needed instead, and having one dwarf make them for you. For comparison, you could bring 1 anvil and 2 steel axes for 1600 points. You could bring no anvil and 5 steel axes for 1500 points. Or, you could bring enough resources to make 18 iron axes for 1489 points, or 55 copper axes for 1498 points.

Replace the axes and anvil with:
* 1 [[Anvil]] (1000 points) (I'm only mentioning it here because you CANNOT do this without it, unless you're willing to not have axes until traders sell you an anvil)
* You need to bring three fire-safe stones in order to construct the necessary buildings. (9 points)
* 2 tower-cap logs (3 points each, total 6 points)
* N magnetite/limonite/hematite stones (for iron, 24 points each)
* For additional amounts of jewery, bring 1 cassiterite and 1 copper ore, which combine to make 2 bronze bars. This is better than copper and takes no additional time. (6 points each)
* N-1 bituminous coal (3 points each)

To make your axes/picks/whatever: You'll want to build a wood burner, a smelter, and a metalsmith's forge. Burn both logs in the wood burner to get two charcoal. Smelt the coke in the smelter. Each will produce a net gain of 2 fuel (that is, coke/charcoal). Then smelt the magnetite/hematite/limonite, which will use one fuel per piece of ore. Finally you can make iron axes in the metalsmith's forge, using one iron bar and one fuel each. (See http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=001191 for more detail)

=== Free Equipment ===

Dwarves who start with the ambusher skill get some leather armor for free. Dwarves who start with only military skills get a weapon for free; for example, a dwarf with Ambusher, Marksdwarf, Armor Use, Shield Use, and Wrestler as initial skill choices will show up for your fortress wearing leather armor and carrying a crossbow and bolts. Dwarves with a mix of military and civilian skills can get the free armor from ambusher, but not the free weapons. Social skills count as civilian skills for this purpose.

{{Starting FAQ}}

== Challenge builds ==

If repeatedly defending a besieged fortress isn't difficult enough for you, here are a few challenges you can set for yourself. You might also want to check out the [[Game goals|List of goals]] for other ways to challenge yourself.

=== Hermit ===

* No [[skill]]s
* One [[pick]] and no other supplies

A well known and popular challenge. Kill off the 6 starting dwarves and any [[immigrants]] as they arrive, and try to make a living for the last dwarf.

=== Outcast ===

* No [[skill]]s
* One [[pick]] and no other supplies

Same as the hermit challenge, only with multiple hermits. Turn off immigrants or kill them.

=== Roughing it ===

* No picks

Don't [[dig]] or build at all. Bring no [[pick]]s, and don't ask for them in [[Trade depot|trade]]. Watch as the more "weather-averse" dwarves slowly go mad.

=== Gone to the dogs ===

* One [[pick]]
* A ton of [[animals]]

Replace the starting equipment with an equal value in [[dog]]s or [[cat]]s.

=== ASPCA ===

* No [[animals]]

Don't bring any [[animals|pets]]. Furthermore, due to the possibility of animals being caught in them, don't build any [[traps]], either. If [[immigrants]] bring pets, get rid of them somehow. (If you're a particularly rabid ASPCA member, you could get rid of the pet-bearing immigrants, too, but that's probably excessive.)

=== Diplomacy ===

* Six dwarves with only social [[skill]]s
* One skilled dwarf

Six courtiers of the king's court made some ill-advised remarks within earshot of the king, and as a result have been ordered to go found an outpost. They've hired you to make sure they survive. The six nobles only have social skills and refuse to do any work that is beneath them.

=== Luddite ===

* No mechanics or [[mechanism]]s
* No [[machine]]s

[[Traps]] and moving [[bridge]]s are forbidden, [[farming]] must be accomplished by hand.

=== City-States ===

* No [[skill]]s
* 7 or multiple of 7 of everything you bring

At the start your dwarves split everything equally and move to 7 different locales that are not interconnected. They have to mine their own rooms, plant their own crops, use their own craft piles. This will probably require a bit of cross-fertilization until you get [[door]]s and can lock everyone in, but after that it is every dwarf for him/herself!

===Wooden Town===
Start on any treeless map and make everything that can out of wood. Stone may only be used for crafts to trade and things which cannot be made from wood e.g. mechanisms. Metal can be smelted into bars but these bars must be traded away with no further refinement. This will mean your only defense will be [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] with wooden bolts or traps Alternatively start on a map with an [[aquifer]] and do not tunnel beneath it but build all buildings from stone.

=== Dwarves on a Diet ===

==== Fishing Village ====

Give your dwarves only the fishing skill and other fishing related skills (like bonecrafting.) Try to survive off a [[fish]] only diet. Flood the river and build houses above it so the dwarves can fish through their floors. There will be an extra challenge if the river freezes in the winter.

==== Carnivore ====

* No plants or seeds

Only eat strays, pets, and animals you trap and hunt. No farming or plant gathering. Keep all your pets in cages and care for them as little as possible. Eat your dwarves' pets first for an extra challenge. If this upsets your dwarves, ridicule or ignore them. (If you are particularly heartless, you could cage those dwarves as well because anyone that empathizes with animals doesn't deserve any rights either.)

==== Vegetarian or vegan ====

* No meat or fish
* Vegans - no cheese, leather, silk, or shell

A fairly easy challenge. Take no meat and buy no meat. Butcher no animals. Gut no fish. To make your dwarves vegan, use no animal products like the [[Elf|elves]].

==== IOGT / AA ====

* No alcohol

Quite possibly, this is the cruelest challenge that your dwarves can be given. Don't ever brew any alcohol. Build [[well]]s instead and watch your now teetotaller dwarves work slower and slower by the season.

=== Hunting Party ===

* One marksman/ambusher
* Two camp servants (e.g. one cook/brewer/herbalist, one butcher/tanner/leatherworker/woodcutter)
* Four clients, all dabbling in marksman/ambusher but with primarily civilian skills.

No anvil, lots of hunting dogs ... and a haunted wood. (In a terrifying wood, you may find all the trees & plants are dead, severely reducing long-term prospects.)

=== Immigration and Customs Enforcement ===

* One miner/mason/architect
* One woodcutter/carpenter/architect
* Five military dwarves

No anvil, lots of food, in a canyon - spend the first year building fortifications to interdict traffic. Immigrants can build a town around you, but your original dwarves remain dedicated to their mission.

=== Dwarf Siege ===

Start in the middle of a goblin fortress. See how long you can survive, and how many goblins you can kill.

=== Dwarfsicles ===

Select a map region in the northern extremities (or another very cold area), where water is frozen for much or all of the year. All construction that can be undertaken with stone must use [[ice]], instead. Be sure to bring plenty of [[Plump helmet|Plump Helmets]] for brewing drinks!

For an insane challenge, forbid yourself from digging in any material that can yield resources other than ice.

=== Add your challenges! ===

Challenges are fun! Add some!

40d:Pregenerated worlds

2007-12-02T22:08:48Z

Qalnor: Will add local size coords later, don't want to hold the entry open any longer but I haven't made up my mind 100% about everything

In order to rapidly find working worlds and save on generating time, some users pregenerate and share worlds to others. With the new seed technology, it is possible to share an entire world in as little as a dozen digits. Share neat worlds, unique worlds using Seeds to save upload time, or share worlds using the save file to save on world creation time for others.

== Downloadable worlds ==

Downloadable worlds are worlds which have been generated and then compressed into a single archive file for sharing over the internet. Download the file then extract the folder inside the archive into your /data/save folder in order to use it.

=== Lathondur Minbaz ===

Direct download available here: [http://morlark.uwcs.co.uk/misc/region1.tar.gz Lathondur Minbaz]

=== The Continents of Mist ===

Direct download available here: [http://rapidshare.com/files/69121571/continents_of_mist.zip The Continents of Mist] 
Download includes a list of magma and non-magma sites, each with (non-spoily) description and location map. 
(version v0.27.169.33a, seed 757133686, provided by Fedor)

== Seeds ==

Seeded worlds are special "codes" which tell the game's pseudo-random number generator (a sophisticated mathematical function which produces numbers that seem random) where to begin generating a world. Because the random number generator is actually just a mathematical function and thus always produces the same result when given a certain input, you can "seed" the generator to produce an entire series of random numbers on another computer that are exactly the same as they were originally produced on the first computer.

To use a seeded world, select ''Create a New World'' during the main menu, then hit {{key|s}} to specify a seed. Type in the seed and hit {{key|Enter}}, then hit {{key|Enter}} one more time to begin generation. It will still take the normal amount of time to generate the world, and you will still have rejects before the world is produced.

The random seed used also determines the world's name if a random name is selected. This disrupts the sequence of psudeorandom numbers. As a consequence, a seed with a player-given name will result in a completely different world than the same seed with a random name. Seed publishers should specify whether a random or a given name was selected when generating the world.

Mineral content is determined at the time it is allocated, (essentially when you dig near it). Accordingly the map seed determines the layers and therefore the probability of certain rocks/ores, but the ore veins themselves will vary.

A further warning: there may be other things that affect world generation, such as your operating system. If you generate a world different from one described here, with the same seed and the same name, please mention it with the relevant details (operating system including any service packs, processor type, and game version) here.

=== Seed 0: 0 Rejects and plenty of awesomeness ===

This world uses a random name and was generated in v0.27.169.33a.

[http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmapregion210500hk1.jpg You may see this for yourself here.] Notables are a fairly large ocean in the lower-left corner, and over 7 volcanoes scattered around the map. There also seems to be a nice variety of environments for your leisure. Enjoy!

Here's a volcano in the tundra:

[[Image:Freezingvolcano.JPG|A volcano in an unusual area]]

And here's a starting location with almost literally everything: trees, flux, a magma pocket (not visible from the surface, but only a few levels from the surface below the elevated area between the trees and the sand), all the basic metals, sand and adamantine. There are many other really good sites in the squares around the same volcano, and several similarly ideal sites around volcanoes about six region tiles to the east and southeast.

The dwarven town depicted is my own abandoned fortress; you won't see it when you play.

[[Image:seed0volcano.png|The zen site - one with everything]].

=== Seed 2: A Quick One ===

This seed only rejects 3 regions, so it is one of the quickest to generate. This saves time if your computer is slow, and don't want to download the pregenerated one.

Here is a starting place for seed 2 that is relatively flat, has magma and water on the same Z level. Has flux, sand. Heavily forested and max herbs. Enjoy.

The aquifer is only in the top left corner of this map, and can easily be avoided if you don't wish to deal with one.

'''Neighbors:''' [[Dwarves]], [[Elves]], [[Goblins]], [[Humans]]

'''Features:''' [[Magma vent]], [[Aquifer]]

'''Dominant Stone Types:''' [[Granite]], [[Rhyolite]], [[Andesite]]

'''Sand Types:''' [[Loamy sand|Loamy]], [[Black sand|Black]]

'''Climate:''' [[Temperate]]

'''Biomes:''' [[Temperate Freshwater Swamp]]

'''Generation Features:''' Only 3 rejections

[[Image:Dwarfort_2007-11-03_02-06-26-53.jpg]]

* A couple more nice starting spots right next door have similar features, though with mountains, being slightly further apart and with a higher challenge (being in the "Terrifying" area). Both have sand (in the tree-lined areas) and flux.

[[Image:Df_seeda.png]]

[[Image:Df_seedb.png]]

===Seed 34: One Reject Seed===
Nice and easy for those of you with slow PCs.

=== Seed 2577317804: Volcano Amidst a Thick Forest ===

VeryInky of the #bay12games [[IRC]] channel has discovered that generator seed 2577317804 guarantees a decent sized magma vent, which apparently flows downward to the core of the planet itself. And luckily, it's surrounded by a scenic forest housing deadly creatures.

[[Image:Volcano.jpg]]

The square above this scenic forest with a magma vent, contains also a mamgma vent, a large amount of mountain, but also a forgotten ruin.

=== Seed 2268220040: 3 Volcanic Islands, With at Least 10 Other Random Land Based Volcanoes ===

This world contains over 10 volcanoes, most of them in reasonable positions, some in Forests, some in in mountains, some that are right next to mountains ''and'' forests, and others in less convenient places. However, the real gems are the 3 volcanic islands. Some screens of the volcanic islands even contain both ocean tiles volcanic vent on the same local map.

Ever wanted that volcanic AND secret island lair? This is the world for you.

[[Image:Island-Volcanic-Lair-(s)-cl.gif]]

=== Seed 3089130238: Isolated feature-rich mountain ===
'''Neighbours:''' dwarves.

'''Features:''' 2 chasms (snowflake formation and dryed magma tube), magma tube, cave river and deep pits.

'''Dominant stone type:''' obsidian, gabbro and granite.

'''Common stone types:''' microcline, olivine, orthoclase.

'''Sand type:''' yellow sand near magma-tube.

'''Minerals:''' mountain is rich in copper and silver ores as well as
clusters of gemstones; it lacks, however, steel-producing minerals.

'''Climate:''' untamed wilds mountain surrounded by joyfull tropical broadleaf forests, where both highwood and featherwood grow. Unicorns were seen roaming there.

'''FPS-saving:''' Downmost row on the map-rectangle contains only snowflake-chasm. Leftmost column contains the aforementioned chasm and a part of the forest.

[[Image:3089130238.PNG]]

=== Seed 3706678589: The Domain of Dragons...? ===
'''Horrible Descriptions of Vagueness:''' Near the southern dwarven civilization, there are volcanos right near warm forests, and a little hunting can find you a minimum-size area containing a magma vent, a river, heavy forest, and sand. Which would be ideal if not for the fact that this is a Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest we're talking about, which, if the forum is to be believed, contains some of the most [[Elephant|terrifying creatures]] ever to walk any of the worlds. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:01, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

=== Seed 3416680544: The World of Griffons ===
Seed:3416680544
Rejections: 43
Name: The World of Griffons
F1 Biome, Mountain: Felsite, Diorite, Gabbro
F2 Biome, Taiga: Sand, Black sand, Siltstone, Gabbro, Gabbro
F3 Biome, Taiga: Sand, Marble, Gneiss, Gabbro
F4 Biome, Temperate Conifer Forest: Sand, Black Sand, Siltstone, Gabbro, Gabbro
F5 Biome, Taiga: Loam, Basalt, Schist, Diorite
F6 Biome, Temperate Conifer Forest: Silt loam, Felsite, Diorite, Gabbro
This looks like a pretty nice, but possibly difficult area to settle (for me). It's got a chasm, river, and magma. To start it has some Aluminum and Native gold, as well as a few clusters of gems exposed right along the chasm. Hope the chasm dwelling critters aren't too much of a problem. There's flux, and early magnetite(I think), so you've probably got no issue for steel, either. It will not be hard to find this spot on the map, since it is basically where the cursor starts to begin with, I simply sized it up to get the maximum amount of biomes, feel free to shrink or grow it as you wish. All biomes are Freezing Wilderness surroundings. Here's a pic for good measure.
[[Image:Griffonmap.png]]

=== Seed 1149670256 ===
<blockquote>Pretty funny oddity while I was making new world map, there's two 'volcano mountains' next to each other And in the tile just south of the left most volacno there's both chams and volcano quite close to each other, just dig nice hole in between and you have one chasmfull of dead people, hehe Both of them seem pretty hostile though... To get to the location, just pick regular size zone so that you can reach the red ~ (volcano) icon and two or three rows below it and same amount to left. Then you have both

Didn't check the other volcano sites though, but the one I checked was ~21 levels deep of volcano and same for chasm... </blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001246]

=== Seed 1621458352 ===
<blockquote>Most notable here: a free-standing good-aligned volcano in the woods with a magma vent, a magma lake, a chasm and a water lake all within a small area. For good measure there's a Kobold city on the other side of the mountain, as well as a cave river and chasm-pit somewhere... To top it off it also has adamantine, though it might be hard to get all the features in one fortress.

To find it, look in the top left corner for a lone volcano in a pine forest.

The same world has an evil-aligned volcano in a good-aligned shrubland... I didn't explore the features in that one, as it's so large z-wise it hurts my computer, but it has the brook and vent really close together.
(...)
The world also has at least one site where good and evil vegetated areas meet by a mountain, allowing you to have every type of shurb and every type of tree... except highwood...

It also has an absolutely huge named peak sticking out of a good-aligned forest, as well as a nice volcano sticking out of a good-aligned forest...</blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001246]

=== Seed 941486140: Zero rejects ===
<blockquote>(N)ot only is it ZERO REJECTED, but its got several island volcanoes. (O)ne of them has a caldera by the coast with a cliff overhanging it, and an aquifer which (I) THINK has fresh water in it(...) (S)everal spots have magma and steep cliffs and trees and rivers. Lots of the goblin forts are in neat locations.</blockquote>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247]

=== Seed 4265985437: A little bit of everything ===

This map has just about anything you could ask for, all in a neat 4x5 area. The low cliffs and small area make for good fps. It was first mentioned on the forums by Paul. Note that it was generated on windows XP, and may be different on another OS.

'''Features:'''

'''1.''' Small cave river with waterfall source falling into chasm tiles.

'''2.''' Underground magma chamber, unrevealed at first but close to surface.

'''3.''' A fair sized chasm in one corner.

'''4.''' Adamantine + pits deep below. Dwarves beware.

'''5.''' Excellent minerals, sedimentary limestone and various other base rocks are a source for abundant magnetite with large platinum veins and varied precious metals and gems.

'''6.''' Outdoor trees. Not overly abundant but enough for most purposes.

'''7.''' River running through the area that doesn't freeze (warm climate).

'''8.''' Underground soil present at the start location, providing plenty of immediate farming and storage.

The region is home to thriving goat population, along with occasional visits from hoary marmots and rhesus macaques. A lone giant eagle can usually be seen soaring overhead, ready to devour your hapless dwarves and livestock.

Note that this seed does have 51 rejects, but these are all quickly rejected so the creation time isn't too bad.

[[Image:4265985437.PNG]]

=== Seed 957776166: 11 Volcanos ===
<blockquote>What's special? Well at least 11 volcanos are dotting the lower half, 2 of which are islands. Should be something for everybody maybe, haven't checked it all out. (Except all you glacier folk.)</blockquote> [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247]

Edit: Ok, checked this world out a bit more and so far:
2 volcanic islands in the lower left,
at least 2 volcanic mountains to be played directly on,
at least 2, possibly 4 aquifer volcanoes on right,
2 sets of volcanic twins along lower right mountain range, top set is rich with obsidian starting areas.

On a sad note, still nothing special spotted in the north (cold), and I believe all these areas are alignment neutral. (Although there are good and evil ranges in the world.)

Well, enjoy.
-Funkadelic Jive Turkey

=== Seed 891230954: Resource heaven ===

Fairly quick seed (12 rejects). Quite by accident I stumbled across a sweet little gem of a starting location, although you have to use a fairly large play area to get the full benefit of it. Includes a magma vent with an excellent mineral selection, including magnetite, bituminous coal, and marble (usable as a flux). Can anyone say "steel production"? The upper left-hand corner has white sand for glass production, if you're willing to play with a 5x5 or 6x6 area to stretch from the sand to the magma vent. The sand area also has an aquifer if you want one, but the rest of the map is dry so you have ample stone at your disposal, and the entire map is heavily forested. Reasonably flat map, plenty of ponds. Nothing horribly exciting here, just tons and tons of resources.

[[Image:df_891230954.PNG]]

=== Seed 1010101010: 4 Volcano Cluster ===
This map contains a cluster of 4 volcanos, unfortunately, you can only access two of them in Dwarf Fortress mode and may be in dangerous territories. There's also a few other volcanoes and possibly a few lava vents as well.

[[Image:Volcanocluster.PNG]]

=== Seed 593046736: Grand Canyon + Giant Caldera + all of Paul's & More! ===
'''''Note: The non-random name "The World of Pagan" must be used in order for this seed to generate properly!'''''

This was the very first world I generated, with my first fort being at the isolated mountain cluster on the west side, right by the goblin fortress there. However, when I started searching for a site with HIDDEN_FUN_STUFF, I stumbled on a location that has everything Paul's seed gives plus a whole lot more. In the far southwest of the world is a volcano near the dwarven civilization. This volcano is on the northeast side of the southwest mountains, and the tile with the good stuff is one region square northeast of there (non-descript on the surface). CAVEAT: to fit all the good stuff, you need a local area 9 squares wide and 10 squares tall, starting from the northeast corner. The outdoor river is the feature you lose by trimming the bottom (but you don't lose the second cave river), and if you trim from the right, you lose the giant caldera (but not the magma tube). You could probably get as small as 6x6 and still get everything but the caldera and outdoor river.

'''1.''' quick to generate -- only 4 rejects

'''2.''' a massive mountain peak, with 79 levels of vertical between the top and bottom levels!!!!

'''3.''' a giant volcano caldera to the northeast, plunging for dozens of levels

'''4.''' a crazy spidery chasm with literally dozens of side caves and all sorts of critters

'''5.''' a secret underground river with two waterfalls one that goes into a private chasm

'''6.''' a giant grand canyon to the south with a surface river that has a huge multi-level waterfall

'''7.''' an underground magma chamber that goes to the bottom

'''8.''' eerie glowing pits, complete with bizarre multi-level dungeon and torture room

'''9.''' a small selection of trees and shrubs

'''10.''' adamantine, iron, gold, platinum, copper, galore!

'''11.''' batmen, troglodytes, giant cave swallows, cave spiders, iron men, fire imps, kobolds, magma men, and more!

'''12.''' trade with all civs (human, dwarf, elf)

'''13.''' freezing cold 11 of 12 months of the year -- water only melts in early summer and freezes again by midsummer!!!

[[Image:593046736TheWorldofPagan.png]]

=== Seed 7185120: Snow-Encrusted ===

126 Rejections (and still under 15 minutes on my 1.6 GHz laptop).

This map has snow and ice, and lots of it. The world map looks almost completely frozen, only the bottom 3rd of the export map has significant quantities of non-snow area--which looks to be mostly desert and dry areas.

Haven't looked at the map in detail, might not be worth playing, but it was amusing.

=== Seed 71551: Another quickie ===

5 Rejects.

29 squares left and 11 squares up from the lower left corner is a mirthful glacier with a volcano and dolomite. Potential '''STEEL GLACIER'''!

-Ilmuri

=== Seed 3614285250: Steel, Glass, Obsidian, Platinum, and a cave river for good measure ===

Steel in the form of plentiful magnetite marble and coal, obsidian for rock crafts and swords, glass in the form of black sand, and a couple largish veins of platinum near the cliff face to the west.
The biggest downside is that it has 113 rejections, and no pit either. Otherwise it would be just about the perfect fortress in 4x5. It's even got some nice cliff faces for the traditionalist. The cave river starts at the bottom of the map and it goes straight down (off the map), but it's a source of infinite water and cave plants nonetheless.

[[image:Steelglass fortress.png]]

=== Seed 2967067655: An interesting site with a lot to offer ===

It's too bad everything isn't more compact, but it's still possible to make several interesting fortresses out of one location. The local area includes a river, cave river, cave lake, magma pipe, chasm, pit, demon pit, sand, and trees in a calm/serene area. Black sand also lines the river even though you can't see it here, and the site has enormous amounts of magnetite and flux stone for steel, but unfortunately lacks coke producing materials.

The area I have selected here has everything except the trees, serene area, chasm (it still includes a large pit type chasm), and cave river.

[[image:SiteLocation.png]]

If this were extended a little to the right it would reach the chasm, and a little to the left would reach the cave river. Another interesting way to use the site would be to select the magma vent and the top part of the map, which would include the trees and serene area, but cut off the demon and chasm pits.

-Helo

=== Seed 1988: Two pools of magma, chasm, river and demon pits relatively near to the surface ===
On the 8th tile down from the top and 2nd right from left on the world view there is a volcano surrounded by mountains. The tile northeast of the main volcano contains the magma vent, river and a chasm between them. There also is a second magma pool on the same side with the river. Small traces of adamantite can be found relatively near the surface, but if you go deeper you will find demon pits. The site, however, is rich only in copper apart from the adamantite.

-Elmokki

=== Volcano + Vent surveys ===

List of every volcano visible on the world map, with notes about biomes, water supplies, and other influences on site selection; every vent within 2-4 squares of visible volcanoes; and other sites I've stumbled across on these maps.

* [[User:Kidinnu/8998|Seed 8998]]
* [[User:Kidinnu/9001|Seed 9001]]

=== Seed 92003: Respectable site, probably comparable to Paul's ===

Volcano, flux, good minerals, all civs, sand and trees to the east. No outdoor river, but cave river, lake, pits, chasm. Can be shrunk to 5x5, maybe less, keeping the volcano in the SE corner to retain the best internal features (I'll be vague about which those are to not hint too much about where everything is located).

Generated under Windows NT, not sure if that'll produce a different layout for other OSes.

Still looking for a compact site with all the above goodies plus... skeletal elephants. The northernmost volcano of seed 92001 has almost all that, but is missing flux. Waaaah.

[[Image:Seed_92003.png]]

=== Seed 2536495025: Another respectable site ===

On the world map, 9th column from the right, 3rd row from the top.

Right on the volcano square.

6x4 area at the bottom of the local map gives running surface water, sand, iron ore, flux, abundant hunting grounds and wild plants, but a slight wood shortage, and no coke, lignite, or tin (I happen to have a thing for Bronze.)

=== Seed 987654321 - Quicky ===
''Title: STANDARD'' 
Only 5 rejects, so this one is a quick generation!

=== Seed 473220798 - A quirky one ===
The parameter title, not name, was "SEED" and it was on Windows XP
A world with fairly interesting geography. There are 4 large rivers, various sized oceans, and a few magma pockets here and there. In the south there is very long river that is in a freezing climate so it can start frozen over and has a few magma pockets along it, in case you are feeling adventurous.

=== Seed 120 (=lol!) ===
''It is a well known fact that when you write "lol" with 1337-language, it is written "101". In binary, this is the same as the decimal number 5. This means that "lol!" = 5! From math we all(?) know that 5! = 120. Therefore: 120 = lol!'' 
'''But enough gibberish.''' This world has '''1 reject''' when using the '''seed 120''' 
There is volcano in a forest with a river nearby, and an aquifier for challenge! To find it, its the 5th tile from the left, 4th tile from the bottom on the world map when choosing a site. Also check out two tiles to the right of this (still on the world map), and you will find a volcanic island! :D Searching around you will also find major rivers. In other words, a quick cool seed. Enjoy

=== Seed 1205746126, Waterfall, Magma, Trees, Chalk, Sand, Minerals ===

Need to select random name, which turns out to be "Sil Num", created with version 33a or 33b.
Unfortunately it takes a *long* time because of 266 rejects !

Nice starting site with nearly everything. Of particular note is the 9 level high waterfall in the SE corner of the selected region.

[[Image:Waterfall-1205746126-location.jpg]]

=== Seed 1639366901, A location with practically everything ===

46 rejects.

This seed was the first I created, it has several volcano vents, but one in particular is just fantastic. I can't remember the exact location, but a survey of all the volcano vents will eventually locate it.

(The starting location shown here is 7 up from the bottom, 7 in from the right on the world map, on a superscript 'n' -- [[User:Hapes|Hapes]])

[[Image:Worldofdragons.PNG]]

Sand Types: White and Red
Ore: Iron, Aluminum and Adamantite... plus a lot more
Traders: Dwarves, Elves, Humans
On-Map opposition: Kobolds, Antmen, troglodytes, giant spiders. magmamen and more.

Major Geographic features:

1) The river runs through a canyon, the northern half runs through a red sand basin, the bottom through lush forest.

2) The canyon walls are sheer faces... there is no way to walk out of the river bed into the upper hills!

3) The east bank has the magma, and white sand on the upper tiers to the north, and forests to the south. Be warned, magma channelers: There's a cave river directly below the eastern canyon cliff face. I lost a game by hitting that and overflowing. :/

4) The west bank has a bottomless chasm, and tons of kobolds, trogs, antmen, giant spiders and probably more. And is scattered with loot! It appears the kobolds have been ambushing caravans for a while.... can you stop them?

5) Torture chamber, underground river... so actually, it does have everything.

Also: The kobolds will actually ambush a caravan or two if you are lucky!

And on and on.

=== Seed 1912015873: Mirthful Mountains ===

This produces about 52 rejects, but some of them do a lot of thinking.

In the middle of the map is a huge range of mirthful mountains.

Whatever you'd want them for.

=== Seed 2937366080: Palin's Epic Seed ===
Taken from: [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=001161 Bay 12 Forums Thread]

8 quick rejects.

'''Generate with a random name.'''

Features:

Water Source, Iron, Limestone, Magma, Wood, Black Sand, Pit, Chasm, Massive amounts of gold and tetrahedrite, Considerable quantities of silver, platinum and gemstones, 20 layers of stone, Contact with all races.

If you extend the area selection upwards by one, you can also find a natural waterfall that falls five levels or so, and if you extend the area selection downwards a few squares there's an underground river.

[[IMAGE:6ug4qyr.png]]

=== Seed 3508182976: VonGuard's seed ===
Has at least one place where you get an aquifer-free volcano with nearby water, sand, trees, etc.

=== Seed Toady One ===
Converting Toady One to numbers gives you 2015142505, assuming the space is a 0. The seed results in 3 rejects and
"the Momentous Universes of Vision"
A good world with lots of great rivers.

=== Seed 752741768: 1 Reject, DF v0.27.169.33d===
Created in DF v0.27.169.33d.

[WORLD_GEN]
[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:752741768]

[[Image:Seed_33d.jpg]][[Image:See_magma_2.jpg]]

=== Seed 3273382988: Terrifying, Lava, Chasm, Cave River, Cave Lake, Iron (Magnetite), Mineral Rich ===

[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:3273382988]

This is 90% the way to the seed of destiny that I've been looking for. What is missing:

- Sand
- Adamantium (It's there, but in the opposite corner as everything else)
- Flux

Location:

World: 6 right, 2 down
Region: 8 right 8 down

40d Talk:Starting build

2007-12-02T21:06:08Z

Qalnor: 2.2 and 2.3.2.4

Hey, I'll have to see who wrote these starting builds and see if I can't contact him/her, but "About & Challenges" sounds uh... not informational? How about "Overview"? I don't want to edit your work here without your approval (even though I could do so on my own.) [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 22:14, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
: Feel free to adjust the "About & Challenges" to anything else. It was just something to group one of the blocks of text and encourage others to write similar blocks of text. "Overview" sounds much better. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 22:55, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

i wrote the dwarves & skills part and wrote a small info on why to take this kind of a build as most of the items you take are heavily dependant on the area you are in.

Overviw sounds better though so i agree with that

also for the guy who asked why 10 bags; bags might be hard to come by in this version since cave spiders arent always there, which leads to little or no silk in the starting areas, and hunting might not be the best idea if you have dark gnomes or something like that in the area, and if you dont have any bags, making a glass indrusty will prove very hard.

:No ''sand'' on a map makes making glass even harder. No, impossible.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 05:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== trade goods ==

The mountain build suggests lots of turtle for trade goods as you'll have no wood, however shell and bone goods are worth next to nothing and roasts are worth enough to build out whole caravan. So rather then crafter and wood cutter skills I'd just go with a high-level cooking and sell excess food. (on the other hand shell and bone goods don't rot away ¬_¬) --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:03, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Food ==

The builds suggest taking at least 6 of each 2 cost food items, but I would suggest only one of each 2 food item (for a free barrel) and a lot of turtles, which leave both shells and bones. As other meats only leave either a bone or nothing at all. So for the easiest game use turtles. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:16, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Steel Axes? ==

I noticed in the build it says to get 2 copper picks and one steel axe. The first real attempt I made at getting a fortress going, the first thing I did was ditch the _steel_ axe in favour of a cheaper material, and got a better pick. Steel items cost 300. Copper costs 20. While it makes sense to have a few extra copper picks in case your miner gets killed, a good solid iron pick will make the early mining (And his skill increase) go a lot faster. Contrarily, you really don't need steel axes. Iron is more than enough. Even copper will do just fine. And you really only need one. And, rather than ditching your anvil for stuff, try ditching your steel axe for 100 logs. Thats more than enough to last you till you have a smelter going and can make your own axes. - Stormlock 7:03 Nov 1

:Steel axes are the only axes available on the preparation screen now. Does anyone know if this is a bug or not? --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:47, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Digging speed is not affected by the material the pick is made out of, as explained on the [[pick]] page. Neither are [[battle axe]]s. Therefore, you should just take the cheapest one. I've never been able to pick any axes other than steel either, however. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 17:33, 10 November 2007 (EST)

== Layout ==

Should we really be dividing this up by biome? Seems to me it would be a better idea to lay this out as a series of options, e.g. "If you're settling in a mountainous/treeless region, drop your axes and take logs instead" etc. The new choices for landing site seem too diverse to keep the old formula methods of deciding on party goods. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:48, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Challenge or game goals? ==

I added "Hunting party" & "Immigration & customs enforcement", but I'm not really sure where the line between challenge builds and [[Game_goals|Game goals]] lies. Any guidance? --[[User:Kidinnu|Kidinnu]] 08:18, 19 November 2007 (EST)

== IOGT ==
I added AA to the IOGT title since ... I've never even heard of the IOGT and had to Google it. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 11:13, 19 November 2007 (EST)

== Created an ice-centric challenge. ==

Feel free to edit it to make it more coherent or fun. --[[User:Digi|Digi]] 03:50, 27 November 2007 (EST)

== 2.2 and 2.3.2.4 ==

These two have a lot of redundancy between them. I can't really think of a good way to merge them though, since there is definitely information in each that should probably stay separate. --[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 16:06, 2 December 2007 (EST)

40d:Starting builds

2007-12-02T20:56:04Z

Qalnor: Added stone requirement, eliminated copper suggestion and replaced it with superior bronzemaking alternative.

== Fortress Site ==
Each fortress site offers particular challenges and opportunities; the starting builds below should be adjusted depending on what sort of fortress you envision ... and what it will take to stay alive where you're going!

=== Mountains ===
Most dwarven fortresses are founded along the edges of mountain ranges on sites that combine abundant ore and access to the outside world. Magma and rare metals lure settlers here, but [[goblins]], [[chasm]] dwellers, and even [[giant eagle]]s are potent threats.

Trees and plants do not grow at high elevations, so you'll want to include non-mountainous areas to obtain lumber and food - or, failing this, to pack a lot of extra food and logs.

Other consideration is elevation range. The game allows access up to 15 levels above the highest peak and 15 levels below the deepest valley, so steeper slopes means much more diggable area. The downside is lag; more levels also means more CPU burden (this can cripple a fortress - be careful).

Be sure to include a stream on the map; running water is (almost) essential for any fortress. In Cold and Freezing climates streams and lakes will often be frozen year-round and your dwarves may quickly die of exposure. Choose Temperate or tropical zones for an easier game.

=== Wooded Plains (with trees and plants) ===
Flatlands with at least some trees and gatherable plants can also make for highly successful fortresses.

Advantages over mountain zones include abundant trees and plants, guaranteed agriculture both on the surface and underground, fewer hostile fortresses and caves, and (unless frozen) more abundant water. There are even (rare) magma vents.

The greatest disadvantage is lack of rock to mine. Fewer elevations means fewer exploitable z-levels. The first few levels below the surface are almost always soil, peat, loam, clay, or sand, none of which offers much (or any) gems, ore, or building material. An [[aquifer]], if present, may bar all access to stone until you freeze, pump out, or find a way through the water.

=== Desert, Glaciers, and Barren (few or no trees and plants) ===
Treeless (or near-treeless) biomes are challenging sites for a fortress: you get most of the disadvantages of a flatland site without having access to nearly as many trees and plants. However, near-lifeless zones such as glaciers are wonderful for those with slower machines, as there's little to burden the CPU but your dwarves and livestock. Deserts and barren areas often have sand; with a sufficient source of energy (preferably magma), you can build almost anything out of unlimited glass.

=== Ocean Side ===

An interesting combination of a few of the above locations, beaches are often a mix of ease intermingled with bouts of extreme difficulty. Minerals and trees are often abundant, as well as farmland and sand, but there is often no drinking water unless the biome has a river.
There is also a likelihood that the settlement will fall between two biomes, potentially hazardous if the player expects a peaceful oceanside meadow, without realizing the ocean is full of amphibious zombie whales.

== Starting Builds ==
Many of the quantities suggested end in a "1" or a "6"; this is to maximize the number of [[barrels]] you start with, since most foodstuffs fit five to a barrel. More barrels will let you build a larger stockpile for your first winter and conserves the [[wood]] you harvest in the early game for beds and other necessities.

=== Basic ===
The first order of business is simply to survive. Here is a simple, somewhat paranoid, way to do this.

==== Dwarves & skills ====
On most (but not all) sites, you'll want to get food, brew drink, mine, make wood and stone items, and trade. Whatever additional skills you purchase, be sure to cover these. If you need more points to buy skills (and it's a good idea to buy lots of skills), remove a battle axe.

* 2 miners
* 1 mason/mechanic
* 1 carpenter/woodcutter
* 1 grower/brewer/cook. He's responsible for making prepared meals and drinks.
* either a herbalist/grower, or a fisherdwarf, or a hunter. The first gets you lots of brewable plants on maps with plants, the second gets you food and bones on maps with water (in maps with dangerous fish such as [[carp]] fishing is suicidal so be carefull), and the third gets you meat and bones on maps with animals. Herbalism is usually the safest of the three.
* 1 spare dwarf. You might make him the leader and broker; if so, give him at least novice [[appraiser]] skill so you know what stuff is worth. You might make him responsible for making trade goods, or turn him into your first soldier, or you might just give him some skills you want to experiment with.

==== Items ====
You want picks, food, and drink. Everything else is optional. The suggestions below assume you spent the maximum possible on skills. We'll pack lots just to be safe.

* 2 [[pick]]s - 1 per miner
* 1 [[battle axe]] - so you can chop wood
* 1 [[Anvil]] - so you can make weapons, trade crafts, and such
* 20 units of drink: [[dwarven ale]], [[dwarven beer]], and [[dwarven rum]] are all good. [[dwarven wine]] you'll get through brewing.
* 30 [[plump helmets]] - They're good to eat and produce 5 units of booze for each one brewed at a [[still]].
* 5 turtles - they get you bones and shells
* 20 [[plump helmet]] spawn - for planting.
* 2 dogs - to guard against thieves and help kill intruders.
* (optional) other kinds of seeds and rock nuts
* (optional) 1 of many different kinds of meats for extra barrels
* (optional) some cheap (5 point) leather to make quivers and bags and such

If the map is treeless, remove the battle axe and spend the freed points on more plump helmets and logs (you're going to run out however many you bring...).

If you're willing to wait a year or two to do any metalworking and you're sure traders will come, remove the anvil and spend the freed points on such things as skills, food and drink, wood, leather, or weapons.

=== '''Rapid Expansion''' ===
A plan for quick growth followed up by heavy immigration works well both as an early game strategy and as an assist for a late game foundation. Starting off with the anvil is also much less troublesome if you drop both battleaxes and make your own picks too. Don't worry though, you'll be digging out cavernous villas in no time, and cheaply too, with this build. Food and stone will be in abundance and you'll have excellent worker time utilization. And due to the early metalworking and spreaded skills your dwarves have, soon you'll have powerful steel-armored warrior workers that'll form the bedrock of a city guard.

Always build a Woodburning Furance, Smelter and Metalsmith shop first, and take apart that wagon for extra logs. Either burn those logs into charcoal, or smelt coal into fuel, and then make your tools.

==== Dwarves & skills ====
By dropping both picks and axes you'll be able to afford a lot of useful skills, and you'll be able to get a metalsmithing shop running within the first seconds of your game, so no precious time is lost. Your Dwarves are divided largely into two groups, your laborers (Butcher, Baker and candle--er, Brewer) and your craftsdwarves. Essentially a Bluecollar/Whitecollar divide to set up a nice class war later. Also, by having such wide assortments of skills, your dwarves will get lots of attribute bonuses and become extremely capable fighters by the time you need to worry about that.

Laborers are given mining and growing skills with some extra to cover food production. The Ranger is the oddball, but will spend his early days gathering plants and hauling items, so fits here. Your first order of business with them is to dig that top later out quickly and get some farms started and fully stocked. Then, as they grow, you can go back to digging out the rest of the base.

* The Baker: +5 Mining, +3 Cooking, +2 Growing.
* The Brewer: +5 Mining, +3 Brewing, +2 Growing.
* The Butcher: +5 Mining, +1 Butchering, +1 Leatherworking, +1 Tanning, +2 Growing. Make some bags for sand and the Quarry Bushes and a butcher's shop before the Ranger starts his hunts.

* The Ranger: +3 Woodcutter, +3 Carpenter, +2 Axedwarf, +1 Herbalist, +1 Ambusher. Be sure to assign a war dog or two to this guy, since he's the only one who needs to go outside. Once he gets an axe, he'll also be a competant fighter and hunter and will start with armor due to +1 ambusher.

Craftsdwarves focus on running shops, building trade goods, and making the outpost as profitable as possible in the first year, to attract additional immigrants that can be thrown into the mines or toil in the mushroom fields. They should have very broad skill bases, but the actual choice of leader is up to you.

* The Smithy: +1 Metalsmith, Armorsmith, Weaponsmith, Furnace Operator, Wood Burner, Stone Crafting, Bone Carving. This guy will cover all of your rarely needed creation skills, and make your picks and axes. After this he usually ends up making scads of stone crafts for sale. Glassworking, gem cutting, and potash making are good as well, and even with novice in all areas you'll build fast enough for these rare items.
* The Foreman: +3 Building Design, +3 Mechanic, +1 Judge of Intent, Appraiser, Organizer, Record Keeper. Building design and mechanical work is extremely quick work, so instead give him nobleman skills to spend the rest of his workhours on. These are extremely useful in the long-term.
* The Freemason: +5 Masonry. It seems a bit silly to give him just one primary skill, but Masons are usually working 24 hours a day on all variety of stone doors, chairs and tables.

There's a variation if you want a more 'compact' design of those last two:

* The Construction Worker: +5 Masonry, +3 Mechanic, +2 Building Design.
* The Lazy Boss: +3 Fishing, +3 Fish Cleaning, +1 Judge of Intent, Appraiser, Organizer, Record Keeper.

This is not as useful or safe, as Fishing is a time-intensive skill, so it takes him away from his recordkeeping job for extended periods and a Carp might kill him. It also forces your Mason to get behind on Queues every time someone needs a trap build or a workshop set up. Halting book-keeping doesn't slow down any production, so the original stat-spread can work out better.

==== Items ====
The only thing you need is your anvil, a few stones and bars of metal, everything else is optional. A point of contention is the Iron Axe you'll be making, as some may prefer it to be steel. Steel Bars cost 150, which is three times the cost of iron, and only provide a small damage bonus and no chopping speed bonus. If you start in an area with [[Limestone]] or [[Chalk]] you'll soon be able to smelt Steel with your functioning metalsmith shop anyway. If you're on a map without trees, well, I suppose you don't need the axe at all. But in that case you'd be better off taking the picks, dropping the anvil, and buying a few hundred logs.

* 1 [[Anvil]] - this is what makes it all possible, and helps you get started faster.
* 3 [[Copper Bars]] - these cost 10 each, and will be your picks. Three for the price of one, literally.
* 1 [[Iron Bar]] - this costs 50, and will be your axe. The 40 extra is worth it for the damage increase you get over copper or bronze.
* 2 [[Bituminous Coal]] or [[Logs]] - you can smelt two coal into 4 fuel for the cost of 2 logs. Inexpesive at 3 each, one can afford to bring more.
* 4 cheap stone - any sort works, such as inexpensive [[granite]]. You'll use these to make your first three buildings.

That's what you need to get started, but this is a guide for the items on your list. This build does not require or recommend bringing plump helmets due to their cost. Instead, encourage your dwarves to eat the turtles and meat out of the barrels and cook wine biscuts. Your farms will be running amazingly quickly anyway, and for half the cost of a single helmet you can make feed several dwarves on baked beer. You'll get enough seeds from brewing the shrooms soon enough.

* 26 of [[Wine]], [[Rum]], [[Beer]] and [[Ale]]
* 36 of [[Rock Nuts]], [[Plump Helmet Spawn]] and [[Pig Tail Seeds]]
* 11 [[Turtles]] - these hilarious little dudes are way better than the monkeymeat you usually set out with, what with all the bones they leave. I use these as 'before farming' rations and build up a good supply of bone bolts. Shells are also valuable to have around.
* 1 of each other 2 cost meat, for extra empty barrels.
* 2 [[Dogs]] - preferably war dogs or hunting dogs. Assign these to your Ranger. Bring a pair so you can make more dogs.
* 1 [[Horse]] - they're relatively inexpensive and will help you begin breeding horses faster, as you are nearly always getting a horse with your wagon. Livestock are a valuable commodity for meat and bones, and you want as many of these as possible 'emergency rations' on hand.
* 4 [[Leather]] - you need leather bags to process [[quarry bushes]] and to gather sand for glass. Four will be enough, and you can get it for only 20.

If you do it exactly as written, you will end up with a few points left over. Grab some extra food or upgrade one of your copper bars to an actual copper pick, if you want a faster start. These foodstuffs will last a very long time if managed properly, so get your farms going and start preparing for next year now.

=== Metalbashing/Glassworking ===
Heavy metalbashing and glassworking requires a site with 1) abundant fuel and 2) raw materials. Magma is ideal but large coal seams or a forest will also suffice. A site with either limestone or chalk means nearly unlimited steel. Any site with "sand" (not "loamy sand" or the like) will permit glassworking. Failing these, any place with lots of rock, trees, and preferably sand will work fine. Your biggest choice when setting up is whether to optimize for a fast start or long-term success.

==== Dwarves & skills ====
Unless you're trying a low-skills challenge, each dwarf should get the maximum possible number (currently 10) of skill boosts; remove a battle axe to free up needed points. Individual preferences can be mighty handy; if you have a dwarf who likes steel, clear glass, crossbows, siege engine parts, or something else equally interesting, he's an ideal candidate for matching skills.

* A carpenter/leader: Points into Carpenter, Wood Cutter, and a bunch of nobles' skills, including at least novice Negotiator and Appraiser. This dwarf should have good inter-personal thoughts/preferences.
* A Mason/Mechanic: Points into Mason, Building Designer, and Mechanic. Adding more points to Mason gets construction materials and furniture faster. More points to Mechanic allows faster trap-setting. Adding Appraiser and/or Negotiator skills gives you a back-up leader or broker. A boost to Wrestling gets you better on-call defense.
* A Farmer/Herbalist (assumes the site has at least some plants): This dwarf will gather the plant material you need to brew drinks. Points into Grower and Herbalist. Leftover skill raises should be invested in a valuable, hard to raise trade skill such as Metalsmith, Metal Crafter, or perhaps Glassworking.
* A Farmer/Brewer/Cook: This dwarf is responsible for keeping your community fed and liquored up. Points into Grower, Brewer, and (optionally) Cook. Leftover skill raises should be invested as for the Farmer/Herbalist.
* A Metalbasher: Points into whatever hard-to-raise skills you most want. Armorsmith, Weaponsmith, Bowyer, Glassworker, and even Siege Engineer can all be good choices depending on your setup. Remember to spend a few points on Furnace Operator and perhaps also Wood Burning.
* 2 Miners/Soldiers: Points into both mining and military skills. The miners first get legendary and then become extremely powerful fighters. Remember that it's much easier to increase Mining skill than most of the military skills (especially Armor User), but also that you'll want capable miners immediately.

With this setup, you have several ways to make the trade goods you'll need to buy what you lack. Metal goblets, stone mugs, handwear, footwear, mechanisms, bone or wood crossbows, prepared meals, or bone and shell crafts are all solid choices.

==== Items (all starts) ====
* 2 [[pick]]s
* 6 or 11 of each of [[dwarven ale]], [[dwarven beer]], and [[dwarven rum]]. With abundant brewable plants and lots of wood you don't actually need any starting booze, but it's nice to have a backup.
* at least 11 [[plump helmet]]s. Bring a lot more if you anticipate problems with gathering brewable plants.
* at least 6 [[turtle]]s. Not only are they good eating, they ensure you have the [[shell]]s and [[bone]]s needed to satisfy [[strange mood]]s.
* 1 of every kind of meat that costs 2 or 4, as each type of meat will be packed in its own free barrel and cooking the meat will release that barrel for use. If you don't like this feature, bring more turtles or plump helmets instead.
* Unless the map is glacial, or you intend only outdoor agriculture, bring plenty of seeds as well. A minimum of 15 plump helmet spawn are essential for a quick start to underground agriculture; rock nuts, sweet pod seeds, pig tail seeds, and cave wheat seeds will diversify your meals and drinks and let you set up for clothes-making. Seeds are packed in bags.
* (optional) some cheap (5 point) leather to make quivers and bags and such

===== Items (fast start) =====
* 1 [[Anvil]]
* no [[battle axe]] ... as long as you're confident the site has either iron or copper.
* only a few logs (just enough to get started with), unless the map has no trees

===== Items (moderate start) =====
* no [[Anvil]]
* 1 [[battle axe]] (at present, steel is the only option)
* few or no logs, unless the map has no trees
* with the points you save by not bringing an anvil, buy logs and metal cages. Each cage can be melted into one metal bar, which is an easy way to ensure stocks of metals you expect your site to lack. That missing anvil will slow you down until you get one in trade (which normally takes about 6 or 7 seasons) and might even cost you a failed [[strange mood]], but it means 50 extra metal bars or enough logs to make beds and barrels for all.

===== Items (slow start) =====
* no [[Anvil]]
* no [[battle axe]]s
* lots of logs - at least 25 on a heavily forested map. You can survive without them, but it's a lot cheaper to buy logs to make barrels than to bring more drink.

===== Cheaper axes and/or picks, with a bit of work (and any other weapons you want) =====

Steel axes normally cost 300 points each. Instead of spending that much on them, you can make yourself iron or copper axes by bringing the resources needed instead, and having one dwarf make them for you. For comparison, you could bring 1 anvil and 2 steel axes for 1600 points. You could bring no anvil and 5 steel axes for 1500 points. Or, you could bring enough resources to make 18 iron axes for 1489 points, or 55 copper axes for 1498 points.

Replace the axes and anvil with:
* 1 [[Anvil]] (1000 points) (I'm only mentioning it here because you CANNOT do this without it, unless you're willing to not have axes until traders sell you an anvil)
* You need to bring three fire-safe stones in order to construct the necessary buildings. (9 points)
* 2 tower-cap logs (3 points each, total 6 points)
* N magnetite/limonite/hematite stones (for iron, 24 points each)
* For additional amounts of jewery, bring 1 cassiterite and 1 copper ore, which combine to make 2 bronze bars. This is better than copper, not to mention being actually cheaper, and takes no additional time. (4.5 points each)
* N-1 bituminous coal (3 points each)

To make your axes/picks/whatever: You'll want to build a wood burner, a smelter, and a metalsmith's forge. Burn both logs in the wood burner to get two charcoal. Smelt the coke in the smelter. Each will produce a net gain of 2 fuel (that is, coke/charcoal). Then smelt the magnetite/hematite/limonite, which will use one fuel per piece of ore. Finally you can make iron axes in the metalsmith's forge, using one iron bar and one fuel each. (See http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=001191 for more detail)

=== Free Equipment ===

Dwarves who start with the ambusher skill get some leather armor for free. Dwarves who start with only military skills get a weapon for free; for example, a dwarf with Ambusher, Marksdwarf, Armor Use, Shield Use, and Wrestler as initial skill choices will show up for your fortress wearing leather armor and carrying a crossbow and bolts. Dwarves with a mix of military and civilian skills can get the free armor from ambusher, but not the free weapons. Social skills count as civilian skills for this purpose.

{{Starting FAQ}}

== Challenge builds ==

If repeatedly defending a besieged fortress isn't difficult enough for you, here are a few challenges you can set for yourself. You might also want to check out the [[Game goals|List of goals]] for other ways to challenge yourself.

=== Hermit ===

* No [[skill]]s
* One [[pick]] and no other supplies

A well known and popular challenge. Kill off the 6 starting dwarves and any [[immigrants]] as they arrive, and try to make a living for the last dwarf.

=== Outcast ===

* No [[skill]]s
* One [[pick]] and no other supplies

Same as the hermit challenge, only with multiple hermits. Turn off immigrants or kill them.

=== Roughing it ===

* No picks

Don't [[dig]] or build at all. Bring no [[pick]]s, and don't ask for them in [[Trade depot|trade]]. Watch as the more "weather-averse" dwarves slowly go mad.

=== Gone to the dogs ===

* One [[pick]]
* A ton of [[animals]]

Replace the starting equipment with an equal value in [[dog]]s or [[cat]]s.

=== ASPCA ===

* No [[animals]]

Don't bring any [[animals|pets]]. Furthermore, due to the possibility of animals being caught in them, don't build any [[traps]], either. If [[immigrants]] bring pets, get rid of them somehow. (If you're a particularly rabid ASPCA member, you could get rid of the pet-bearing immigrants, too, but that's probably excessive.)

=== Diplomacy ===

* Six dwarves with only social [[skill]]s
* One skilled dwarf

Six courtiers of the king's court made some ill-advised remarks within earshot of the king, and as a result have been ordered to go found an outpost. They've hired you to make sure they survive. The six nobles only have social skills and refuse to do any work that is beneath them.

=== Luddite ===

* No mechanics or [[mechanism]]s
* No [[machine]]s

[[Traps]] and moving [[bridge]]s are forbidden, [[farming]] must be accomplished by hand.

=== City-States ===

* No [[skill]]s
* 7 or multiple of 7 of everything you bring

At the start your dwarves split everything equally and move to 7 different locales that are not interconnected. They have to mine their own rooms, plant their own crops, use their own craft piles. This will probably require a bit of cross-fertilization until you get [[door]]s and can lock everyone in, but after that it is every dwarf for him/herself!

===Wooden Town===
Start on any treeless map and make everything that can out of wood. Stone may only be used for crafts to trade and things which cannot be made from wood e.g. mechanisms. Metal can be smelted into bars but these bars must be traded away with no further refinement. This will mean your only defense will be [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] with wooden bolts or traps Alternatively start on a map with an [[aquifer]] and do not tunnel beneath it but build all buildings from stone.

=== Dwarves on a Diet ===

==== Fishing Village ====

Give your dwarves only the fishing skill and other fishing related skills (like bonecrafting.) Try to survive off a [[fish]] only diet. Flood the river and build houses above it so the dwarves can fish through their floors. There will be an extra challenge if the river freezes in the winter.

==== Carnivore ====

* No plants or seeds

Only eat strays, pets, and animals you trap and hunt. No farming or plant gathering. Keep all your pets in cages and care for them as little as possible. Eat your dwarves' pets first for an extra challenge. If this upsets your dwarves, ridicule or ignore them. (If you are particularly heartless, you could cage those dwarves as well because anyone that empathizes with animals doesn't deserve any rights either.)

==== Vegetarian or vegan ====

* No meat or fish
* Vegans - no cheese, leather, silk, or shell

A fairly easy challenge. Take no meat and buy no meat. Butcher no animals. Gut no fish. To make your dwarves vegan, use no animal products like the [[Elf|elves]].

==== IOGT / AA ====

* No alcohol

Quite possibly, this is the cruelest challenge that your dwarves can be given. Don't ever brew any alcohol. Build [[well]]s instead and watch your now teetotaller dwarves work slower and slower by the season.

=== Hunting Party ===

* One marksman/ambusher
* Two camp servants (e.g. one cook/brewer/herbalist, one butcher/tanner/leatherworker/woodcutter)
* Four clients, all dabbling in marksman/ambusher but with primarily civilian skills.

No anvil, lots of hunting dogs ... and a haunted wood. (In a terrifying wood, you may find all the trees & plants are dead, severely reducing long-term prospects.)

=== Immigration and Customs Enforcement ===

* One miner/mason/architect
* One woodcutter/carpenter/architect
* Five military dwarves

No anvil, lots of food, in a canyon - spend the first year building fortifications to interdict traffic. Immigrants can build a town around you, but your original dwarves remain dedicated to their mission.

=== Dwarf Siege ===

Start in the middle of a goblin fortress. See how long you can survive, and how many goblins you can kill.

=== Dwarfsicles ===

Select a map region in the northern extremities (or another very cold area), where water is frozen for much or all of the year. All construction that can be undertaken with stone must use [[ice]], instead. Be sure to bring plenty of [[Plump helmet|Plump Helmets]] for brewing drinks!

For an insane challenge, forbid yourself from digging in any material that can yield resources other than ice.

=== Add your challenges! ===

Challenges are fun! Add some!

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40d Talk:Adamantine

2007-11-21T22:09:08Z

Qalnor: /* Demon pit image */

Has anyone found any yet?

:I've heard so, yes. I forget which talk page it was on.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 22:52, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::It isn't anywhere on the wiki, if a search for "adamantine" would show it. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:54, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
::Cancel that. You can't find it by searching for "adamantine" but "addy" gave me [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3 this forum thread]. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:56, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Adamantine Confirmed for Brawl- Er, Fortress ==

http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3

Not only have Adamantine veins been found, mildly disturbing variations of the demon pits, demon-free mini-pits, and the demons themselves are also mentioned. Striking Adamantine no longer appears to result in an inevitable game-over condition, but breaching a 'peculiar chamber' and not sealing it off afterward can quickly result in a destroyed fortress for obvious reasons.

Also, apparently there are occasionally crazy people down there.

Wait, Savok already posted this.

Oh well.

== Where to find it ==

http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001176

In the above thread, Toady mentions the pits (and therefore adamantium) are located on every map tile which is displayed as a mountain. He then notes that it might only place them on mountain squares in the local map as well, but that he wasn't sure. So, that detail needs verification. Also, from testing out about a dozen volcano tiles (using reveal.exe) I found adamantine and the pits on every one. So, I've assumed that volcano tiles count as mountains for pit placement. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:58, 5 November 2007 (EST)

This seems to be generally true, but not absolutely true. I found a volcano in a desert on a completely flat map, and there was no adamant. Perhaps there is a depth requirement. --[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]]

:Was this on an actual volcano tile, or just an adjacent tile with a magma vent? --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 02:11, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::It was on an actual volcano tile. I probably can find it this evening if you'd like me to snag the seed so you can see for yourself. --[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 15:36, 19 November 2007 (EST)

== Old info ==

I also ported over parts of the old adamantine info which seemed to still be correct for this version, and trimmed out the bits which no longer seemed to be true. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:58, 5 November 2007 (EST)
:There now only seems to be one labor directly related to adamantine, and that is Strand Extraction. Presumably weaving, smelting to wafers, and forging with the wafers now use the relevant "normal" skills but perhaps with a penalty to speed. I have not yet found adamantine, so if anybody has succeeded in analyzing its use, please correct the information in the wiki! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:56, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Okay, since I've been playing around with adamatine in 33a and 33b for a little while now, I've edited the page a fair bit. In particular, I've eliminated the Old Info section, wrapping that into the main body where it's correct, and eliminating it where it's not. I further added notes about treating the ore as a stone, since the value is a little different (I've got an Adamantine Ashery due to the ore not being an economic stone in 33a). I mentioned the apparent relationship between discovering adamantine and the King arriving. I removed the "ver" tag and replaced it with normal text, since it was forcing the page into the "outdated info" category, and I think we're now accurate to 33b. The only thing we still need to check is whether magma version of shops are still needed to handle the processing. (A magma clothier's shop... hmmm). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:02, 19 November 2007 (EST)

== Demon pit image ==

I believe that's just a magma vent, which may or may not contain adamantine, though there's bound to be some somewhere in a mountain range. --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]], 20 November 2007

:I moved the above comment from the edit summary[http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Adamantine&diff=10287&oldid=10117]. It is an example of where adamantine can be found, and where one person found it. I think it's useful on this article, so I'll put it back with a caption explaining it's an example. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 13:23, 21 November 2007 (EST)

::Well, I'm not going to nix your edit, I'll leave that decision up to you or others. But I have to say I don't really see that image as being remotely useful without a lot more context than 'this is an example'. What exactly is it an example of? What information is actually being provided? I can't really see how the image generates anything except confusion because it happens to be a magma square. --[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 17:09, 21 November 2007 (EST)

40d Talk:Adamantine

2007-11-21T22:08:23Z

Qalnor: /* Demon pit image */

40d Talk:Adamantine

2007-11-19T20:36:32Z

Qalnor: /* Where to find it */

40d Talk:Adamantine

2007-11-19T01:58:52Z

Qalnor: /* Where to find it */

Talk:Main Page/archive2

2007-11-11T22:02:54Z

Qalnor: /* Fresh start */

- GUYS I'VE TRIED TO IMPORT PRETTY MUCH ALL USER ACCOUNTS. Let me know if you notice something weird in this wiki, it's possible that parts of the import were fucked. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:05, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

There's some people reporting problems in this thread: http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001158 --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:22, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

The new version is out now! Update the main page! ~~

== Accounts had to be wiped ==

It's out!
It's out!
Rejoice!
By the way, my account is nonexistent, could you fix that?
--[[User:Smoking Gnu|Smoking Gnu]] 19:37, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

:You'll have to recreate it. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:42, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
:My user account didn't turn up? :( --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 20:05, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
::Quoted from Senso (the wiki admin) on the forums:
::"I've tried importing the user accounts but since I've upgraded to a new version of MediaWiki, it doesn't work. They've made changes, whatever.
::
::So yeah, please recreate your account. It's sad, I know BUT LIFE IS SAD AND GLOOMY. You'll all forget about it once the new version is released."
::No big deal. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:31, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
::Wow, the images during registration are ridiculous. Took me half a dozen until I could recognise more than half of it. --[[User:Ravana|Ravana]] 23:32, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
:::Haha I had the same trouble, I just kept going until I got one I could read. --[[User:Gibbonofdoom|Gibbonofdoom]] 03:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::-Yeah, that CAPTCHA was nearly impossible, took over 50 trys to get in. :) Anyways, it's better than SPAMFEST for sure. ;) --[[User:UltimaPhantom|UltimaPhantom]] 01:52, 9 November 2007 (EST)
::::Yeah sorry about that but it's either crappy CAPTCHA or SPAMFEST, I had to pick. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:47, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Change guide? ==

Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)
::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Basic Format ==
I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Fresh start ==
Hey, I just wanted to say... starting afresh for me seems to be the right move. So much has changed (I remember a focus on 'farming' and 'irrigation' before) that it just makes sense to start from a clean sheet. We've got 10 months of work to catch up on, good luck every one! --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

:I agree. It's also a lot of fun to go "hey, I found out something for myself! Is there a wiki page on it yet?" and adding stuff. Or wandering about the wiki and going "what's missing? Can I fill in the informational gap?"--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 17:32, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Just a thought, but how do people feel about adding date released on the frontpage along with the version number? --[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]]

== Importing old entries ==

What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Demystify messages? ==

Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)