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v0.34:Ghost

2012-03-31T19:37:44Z

Rolan7: /* Science on Ghosts */

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After the death of an intelligent creature or a dwarf, its soul may occasionally come back as a '''ghost'''. In a Dwarven fortress, dead dwarves have a chance of returning as ghosts if they are not properly [[coffin|buried]] or [[memorial|memorialized]] after their death. Ghosts often take to haunting their relatives and friends, following them around on the same tile, as well as lingering wistfully near areas they frequented in life or the spot they died. However, not all ghosts bear their anguish calmly.

Even babies can become ghosts and there are reports that ghosts can [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=75255.0 grow up] and even [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=75255.15 die of old age].

Ghosts are able to pass through walls and cannot be harmed by [[Dwarven Atom Smasher|atom-smashing]]. They can be targeted in the Squad kill screen ({{K|s}},{{K|k}}) even though they won't actually be attacked. Ghosts can be dismissed by burying the remains or by building engraving rock [[slab|slabs]] in memory of the deceased.

==Paranormal Activity==

Ghosts haunting the fortress will occasionally perform some of the following actions, based on their temperament:
* <ghost> sucks the wind out of <dwarf>
* <ghost> raises a high fever in <dwarf>
* <ghost> makes <dwarf> convulse and retch
* <ghost> inflicts excruciating pain upon <dwarf>
* <ghost> causes a spell of dizziness in <dwarf>
* <ghost> paralyzes <dwarf>
* <ghost> stuns <dwarf>
* <dwarf> is throwing a tantrum, possessed by <ghost>
* <ghost> has risen and is haunting the fortress!
* <ghost> is following <dwarf>
* <item> has been misplaced. No doubt <ghost> is to blame!
* <ghost> is throwing objects around the fortress!
* <ghost> can be heard howling throughout the fortress!

The ghost's activities will in large part be determined by the nature of its death. The following table summarizes the different types of ghosts.

{| class="wikitable" width="70%" align="center"
! scope="col" align="left" width="17%" | Type
! scope="col" align="left" width="17%" | Cause
! scope="col" align="left" width="66%" | Effect
|-
|Murderous Ghost
|Berserk
|Murders dwarves.
|-
|Sadistic Ghost
|Berserk
|Batters, scares and paralyses dwarves. Capable of scaring a dwarf to death.
|-
|Violent Ghost
|Berserk
|Batters dwarves.
|-
|Angry Ghost
|Berserk
|Batters dwarves.
|-
|Moaning Spirit
|???
|Troubles one unfortunate dwarf at a time.
|-
|Howling Spirit
|???
|Makes sleeping difficult.
|-
|Secretive Poltergeist
|???
|''Misplaces'' Items.
|-
|Energetic Poltergeist
|???
|Topples furniture, such as chairs.
|-
|Troublesome Poltergeist
|???
|''Misplaces'' items, may topple furniture and pull levers.confirm?
|-
|Restless Haunt
|Troubled life history.
|Drifts around place of death and frequented locations. Also haunts dwarves, causing unhappy thoughts.
|-
|Forlorn Haunt
|"Accidental" death
|Drifts around place of death and frequented locations.
|}

== Science on Ghosts ==
Cave-ins do not kill ghosts, perhaps because they can walk through walls already.

Ghosts are put to rest when any part of their body is put in a burial receptacle. For example, should a dwarf lose a toe in a fight before dying, the toe can be recovered to put its ghost to rest.

Ghosts will also be put to rest if they are properly [[memorial|memorialized]], which is usually preferable if the dwarf is not easily accessible.

Ghosts can open doors, even forbidden ones (leaving them unlocked).

== Bugs ==
Some ghost names can't be engraved on slabs, and some slabs can be engraved for nameless creatures. {{bug|3708}}

40d Talk:Thirst

2010-02-10T20:02:21Z

Rolan7:

Wrote up as much information as I could think of on thirst. I'll try to see if wildlife drinks, if visiting creatures drink, and how long it takes a dwarf to die without water - maybe waiting until someone takes a drink, noting the date, then locking them in a room with food until they die. If someone beats me to it, please update the page accordingly - I'm not sure when I'll get around to running the experiments. --[[User:CrazyEyes|CrazyEyes]] 20:05, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Ran a test with the elven merchants, they lasted about a month before going berserk, then another five months without an apparent water source, so I think it's safe to say they don't drink.--[[User:CrazyEyes|CrazyEyes]] 23:18, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

To Editor:
:It is affected by the tileset.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 01:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I think only dwarves with yellow/red injuries drink nothing but water, minor wounds don't seem to be a problem. Not about to get a dwarf wounded to find out, though [[User:Greep|Greep]] 08:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:Heavily wounded dwarves will try to drink booze if they have no unassigned bed to be put in. I had a dwarf crawl to the booze stockpile, with a red leg or two plus a damaged spine, when I deconstructed the only "hospital" bed. I assume an armless dwarf would be unable to booze up at all though.--[[User:Rolan7|Rolan7]] 20:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I have set up several wells and have several stockpiles of drinks scattered around the fortress, yet all of my dwarfs still complain of thirst. Is there something more I can do? --[[User:Keesto|Keesto]] 05:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Do you *have* alcohol? You need to actually Brew the alcohol. And, the wells might be dried up. [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 07:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Thirst

2010-02-10T20:00:35Z

Rolan7:

Wrote up as much information as I could think of on thirst. I'll try to see if wildlife drinks, if visiting creatures drink, and how long it takes a dwarf to die without water - maybe waiting until someone takes a drink, noting the date, then locking them in a room with food until they die. If someone beats me to it, please update the page accordingly - I'm not sure when I'll get around to running the experiments. --[[User:CrazyEyes|CrazyEyes]] 20:05, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Ran a test with the elven merchants, they lasted about a month before going berserk, then another five months without an apparent water source, so I think it's safe to say they don't drink.--[[User:CrazyEyes|CrazyEyes]] 23:18, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

To Editor:
:It is affected by the tileset.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 01:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I think only dwarves with yellow/red injuries drink nothing but water, minor wounds don't seem to be a problem. Not about to get a dwarf wounded to find out, though [[User:Greep|Greep]] 08:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:Heavily wounded dwarves will try to drink booze if they have no unassigned bed to be put in. I had a dwarf crawl to the booze stockpile, with a red leg or two plus a damaged spine, when I deconstructed the only "hospital" bed. I assume an armless dwarf would be unable to booze up at all though.

I have set up several wells and have several stockpiles of drinks scattered around the fortress, yet all of my dwarfs still complain of thirst. Is there something more I can do? --[[User:Keesto|Keesto]] 05:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Do you *have* alcohol? You need to actually Brew the alcohol. And, the wells might be dried up. [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 07:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Ice

2009-12-06T12:14:42Z

Rolan7: /* Ice Constructions melting */

Should probably include some information on melting the ice, as this is a common question. [[User:Sinoth|sinoth]] 10:44, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Ice is listed as a fire-safe material, and fire-safe materials are listed as being usable for creation of magma-powered buildings. Does this mean one can make a magma forge out of ice stones? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 14:29, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:Yep, you can make all 4 magma workshops from ice.

I tryed to get water out of ice by dropping it a floor but it did not work. What am I doing wrong? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 23:49, 30 November 2007 (EST)

:It no longer seems to work as of 33d, I'm removing that part from the page [[User:Klada|Klada]] 20:55, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Regarding melting ice, I found that if you melt ice, drain it off to a 2 or 3, and then shunt the magma off somehow (happens often when magma first flows, due to ebb and flow of the magma waves) the 2-depth water will re-freeze, allowing you to re-thaw it into a 7-depth water. ... I found this out the hard way actually, since the magma waves caused successive re-thaws for the water to flood out my then-thought-to-be-way-too-big water pit. --[[User:CrushU|CrushU]] 21:20, 7 January 2008 (EST)[[User:CrushU|CrushU]] 21:20, 07 January 2008 (EST)

One winter, I filled with magma a room beneath a frozen river to melt it, so my injured dwarves could be helped. Next winter, those rooms beneath are still filled with magma, but the river froze and will not melt. This is on version 0.28.181.39d. --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 17:50, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

==Value of ICE==
What's the material value of ice? 1? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 07:51, 31 December 2007 (EST)

:Whatever ice boulders are worth I would assume. Probably 2. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 08:31, 31 December 2007 (EST)
::0 Water is free so is ice. It doesn't even have a material entry it is hard coded in the game I think. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 10:56, 31 December 2007 (EST)

:::Yet on a map with water and magma sources one can produce an infinite amount of obsidian, which has value. Not that I'm suggesting obsidian should be valueless, but a fortress making a business out of selling ice sculptures would be fun. :) [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 21:46, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Considering pets can now die in route with merchants due to weather/temp, I bet they don't get far with your masterwork Ice Sculpture. :P --[[User:Kyace|Kyace]] 23:17, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Not entirely true. I just noticed in a glacier game that I can sell ice "stones" to traders at a value of 3 each (with a weight of about 250 or so). Same price as wood, and roughly the same weight, depending on species of tree. Makes for a handy low-value trade with elves. [[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 04:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Melting without magma ==

If there is any way to melt ice without magma this would be good to know.
Are there any drinks that are "just water"? ie can I put water into a barrel and have something to drink through the winter, or do I have to get plants and brew beer / wine / rum to not die of dehydration/thirst?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:15, 10 January 2008 (EST)
:Nope, you have to brew something to store a drink in a barrel. Besides, even if you could store water, you wouldn't want to. Dwarves need alcohol, or they work much slower. -[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 08:44, 5 February 2008 (EST)

::Well they may work slow for a bit but at least they don't die![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:50, 6 February 2008 (EST)

:::Well, if your map does not freeze all year long, build a [[well]]. --[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 07:03, 23 February 2009 (EST)

::::Keep in mind that injured Dwarf Soliders need water, along with recently unconscious Dwarves. As such, water is indeed necessary. Speaking of that, the article on the main page is quite unclear. I am not quite sure if I just have to drop the ice one floor for it to melt, Crush the ice to turn it into water, or what...[[User:Kenji 03|Kenji 03]] 15:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

==Attempts at melting ICE W/0 Magma==
I tried to colapse a section of ice from the top down one floor. That did not cause the ice to melt. I tried building a floor over the hole to make the ice go indoors. That too did not work. I am currently lost at how to melt ice without Magma. [[User:Kenji 03|Kenji 03]] 15:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Water pit vs lake / pond ==

Does a water pit have to be a certain number of tiles, depth below ground, or overall "internal depth" (ie go a certain number of z-levels) to not freeze? ie how much of a pit do I need to not only dig, but fill, to have water in my fortress no matter what the weather is like?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:21, 5 February 2008 (EST)
:Height doesn't seem to be important. It needs to be either Inside or Below Ground to not freeze, I'm not sure which. -[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 08:41, 5 February 2008 (EST) Update: It's Below Ground. -[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 18:56, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Well my current thought is to build a wall out of ice to see it melt and irrigate my field... also, I'm building an up/down stair down a few z-levels. Once done I will work out how to drop my ice down it... yes more to do it than anything else.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:49, 6 February 2008 (EST)

== Engraving ice ==

Ice Walls can be engraved. I can prove it if you like. I made the change to the article, change the wording if you want.--[[User:Niaba|Niaba]] 06:06, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
:This seems a reasonably viable way to train engravers without wasting valuable wall space in a glacial sort of map.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 15:28, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

If a masterfully engraved ice wall melts, does it cause a tantrum? --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 16:06, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
:It causes unhappy thought, like all masterworks. It's not instant-tantrum in new versions. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 23:58, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Outside/Above Ground ==

I made a deep channel by actually digging a tunnel (so dwarves wouldn't get stuck by channelling stupidly), so it was all inside. BUT I dug an opening through the floor on one of the corners for some reason (thought it was required for flood gate lever). Anyway, so the water in this corner was inside, but above ground. And in late autumn it froze over, just when I was thinking I would need a well there! All the other water is still intact in the channel, but with a corner of damp ice wall blocking flow. Anyway, if someone else can confirm it doesn't have to be outside to freeze! --[[User:KernelJ|KernelJ]] 10:38, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

:I don't think I follow your situation. If you mined out an L-shaped path underground for water, then dug a channel on top of the corner, that corner tile should be outside/light/above ground, unless you put some kind of construction over it. It's possible that the tile became outside, and then froze to ice, which might cause the game to claim the tile was inside/light/above ground (the game seems to report most outside impassable tiles as inside). However, even if you've got an ice wall in the corner, water should still be able to flow around it diagonally, shouldn't it? --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 12:21, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

:I just ran into this problem myself while trying to build a tower of ice to carve out. I had Inside, Above Ground tiles in my pump tower, and water froze solid the instant it was pumped into them. Water does not have to be Outside to freeze, it only needs to be Above Ground. --[[User:Tomatofruit|Tomatofruit]] 11:01, 29 December 2008 (EST)

:Same thing here, z-level doesn`t matter. A cistern was made by dropping down a large portion (2 Z-levels high natural walls) of ice that formed a natural cap of ice and stone above water _after_ falling, so there is a subterranian area under it. Removing this cap makes the cistern freeze.. --[[User:Delduvat|Delduvat]] 07:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Moving Ice Stone ==

Ice stone or "water" can't be put into a stockpile right?
So it'll stay where it's mined until I decide to make something out of them?
:Yes, it's not listed under stockpile options, which is probably good, because you wouldn't want your dwarves bringing it inside so it melts or firing it out of catapults. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 11:56, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
:: However, you could [[dump]] your ice anywhere you like.--[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 14:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:::If I dump the ice inside, like in a room I eventually want to farm, will it melt and give me a muddy floor? That would be really nice...--[[User:Jpwrunyan|Jpwrunyan]] 07:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:::I tested this. Ice stone (as opposed to ice wall/frozen terrain) melts into a puddle of water which gets cleaned the same as spent bolts. There's no way to change solid ice wall into terrain water on a frozen map unless you collapse it with a cave in. This also seems like a bug as weird things can result from this. For example, any stone that might be on top of the section of ice wall you are collapsing remains suspended in mid-air after the floor(s) disappear under it. Ramps also stayed suspended in mid-air with nothing connecting them. It was very unsettling. The ramps and "stone" in question were all "water" (ie ice)--[[User:Jpwrunyan|Jpwrunyan]] 18:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== building with ice ==

I know it's possible to make constructions out of ice, but can you make things that use the masonry skill, like tables? I've tried making a mason's workshop near the ice and ordering a table made, but he got rock from a different area. maybe if ice was the only thing available they would make it into furniture? It would be cool, because I made an ice tower and a need a door to go with it. :P --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 10:42, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

: No. They count it as an "economic stone" for some reason, and there's no way to disable this that I could find. It's kind of a shame, because an ice palace WOULD be awesome. --Count Dorku

== Magma Melted Ice Pressure ==

Is it just me, or does the water that comes from melted ice have strange pressure characteristics? I tried to get it to U-Bend but it wouldn't come back up to the original source and it seems to flow very slowly for water.

==Ice Constructions melting==

I built a Trade Depot ENTIRELY out of ice (water stone), and it stayed properly frozen throughout winter. However, when the ice melted in spring, the depot melted too!!! I had also built some walls out of ice but they did not melt. Does anyone know why this happened? --[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 07:10, 23 February 2009 (EST)

:I've not tested this, so I don't know for certain, but I'm pretty sure that it's because constructions and buildings are not the same thing. Constructions are only the things that you can build under the {{K|b}} - {{K|C}} menu (i.e. walls, floors, fortifications etc). These are indestructible to everything. Everything else in the {{K|b}} menu - from armour stands to trade depots - is a building and can thus melt if made of ice. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 08:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

:: This is very much the case. I once had a craftsdwarf's workshop spontaneously disappear out from under my stonecrafter because I built it from ice without being on ice. --Count Dorku

::: I had a farmer's workshop, a still, and a kitchen all disappear mysteriously... but not at the same time! All three made of ice at around the same time, built in dark subterranean ice, on different z-levels. The trigger seems to be use: the farmer's workshop only disappeared once I queued up a bunch of Dwarven Syrup jobs, and the same seems true of the other workshops. Doesn't DF do some basic heat-dissipation calculation? Seems to me the dwarves are melting the workshops with body heat, unless workshop activity generates heat of its own. Yet I've heard of people making magma smelters out of ice... maybe temperature disabled? --[[User:Rolan7|Rolan7]] 12:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

== Temperature Off? ==

I noticed a lot of people pointing out that water wasn't thawing out for them, and I know it may seem obvious, but could it be because they turned off temperature? That could be half of why some people have stuff that melts, while other people have stuff that doesn't melt. Probably the cause for much confusion on this subject, maybe something should be stated (though obvious) in the article that the effects of Ice thawing/freezing only work if temperature is turned on? [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 03:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Brook? ==
Digging out my brook does not produce ice blocks. It just produces "water" that is cleaned up by my dwarves. Normal? Mention in article? --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 00:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Obsidian ice? ==
I recently tried to magma warm a murky pool. The pool itself melted, but the ice floor above remained, so I just channeled that out. It was a 3x3 area of ice, and it kept refreezing, so I decided to ignore the middle square to prevent the accidental drowning of stupid dwarves... I caused a cave-in, which resulted in an OBSIDIAN square in the center, an ice block on top of it, and a dwarf somehow freezing himself to death inside of it. Which is kind of expected, as I had forgotten about cave-ins, but the obsidian was... unexpected. [[User:Talonj256|Talonj256]] 17:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
*If you channeled magma underneath the pool to melt the ice, then a cave-in would have smashed through the floor of the pool ''into the magma channel'', and some of that magma would have then splashed upward into the water and turned into obsidian. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:: I had forgotten about that... And while that does explain the obsidian, it still leaves the question of the ice block remaining on top. [[User:Talonj256|Talonj256]] 19:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== "Damaged" floors? ==

In the section about using ice cave-ins to generate water, it is suggested that "the floor will also be almost completely destroyed" and that farms cannot be designated in that area. Unless there's something inherently special about ice cave-ins versus regular cave-ins, this sounds like total hogwash, since a 1 Z-level ice cave-in should simply deposit 1/7 water on the floor of the room, leaving it perfectly suitable for a farm. An independent test would be welcome, as I don't have a world handy with a glacier. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
*A closer test seems to reveal what happened - it actually melted the floor itself, leaving water floating on top of "Open Space" and revealing the stone on the Z-level below. I also managed to get the game to completely glitch out, generating an infinite series of cave-ins until I channeled out the roof and allowed the outside air to freeze the lot of it. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Ice Farming ==

Easiest way to melt ice (and grow more ice) is to capture a magma creature and have some dwarf haul him back and forth near the ice. The ice will melt within a 1-tile radius and re-solidify at any distance greater than that. To prevent your man from getting trapped into a wall of ice (and to aid in getting usable liquid water), prepare the field first by installing an underground chamber with plenty of down stairs for drainage. Then, when you cart your magma man/fire imp around, you grow ice on the surface, capture liquid water underground for use, and always provide your hauler an underground alternative route in case he gets surrounded by ice walls.

Be very careful not to let other dorfs wander around near your man as he is ice farming-- there is a very serious risk that you will encase and kill passersby with your movements.

This is also a relatively painless way of clearing out hidden fun stuff. Dig up fun stuff on freezing map so that it is outside and subject to freezing. Add water. A single heat generating creature will melt water and encase/kill all the others.

40d:Strangler

2009-09-21T05:03:58Z

Rolan7:

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* Tropical Forest - Moist Broadleaf|wiki=no}}

An omnious, hooting, three-eyed creature that preys on unwary adventurers. Encounters are rare, as they appear only in evil tropical forests. They seem to have a liking for strangling adventurers resting in such areas, which is quite fitting.

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[NAME:strangler:stranglers:strangler]
[TILE:'s'][COLOR:0:0:1]
[MODVALUE:3]
[LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:5]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:10:20]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:3]
[LARGE_PREDATOR][EVIL]
[PETVALUE:250]
[GRASSTRAMPLE:0]
[BONECARN]
[PREFSTRING:resounding hoots]
[PREFSTRING:graceful leaps]
[PREFSTRING:three eyes]
[PREFSTRING:toothy maw]
[BODY:HUMANOID_4ARMS:2EYES:1EYE:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
[SIZE:6]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:8:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[FAT:1]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[BIOME:FOREST_TROPICAL_MOIST_BROADLEAF]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
}}

{{Creatures}}
[[Category:Animals]]

40d Talk:Goblin

2009-02-27T19:04:07Z

Rolan7: /* Fun Snatcher Facts */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Mainstream? Crossbreeding would be a scientific term. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:01, 25 February 2008 (EST)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins have access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!
:::No problems... I've seen so many people complaining about the lack of gobling sieges since 33g that I was wondering myself if they were broken or not. They're supposed to attack you now instead of sitting on the edge of the map, can you confirm that? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:42, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::of course they do. but they came in where no connection was (okok...it was a bridge)
::::so I had to dig a new way...and yes they are very agressive! I wondered why the goblin force came exacly at the beginning of 1060...coincidence?
:::::Depends if you're playing a game from a fortress ported from lower versions like me or not. Hard to say when you're playing an old game and didn't start the fortress on a world generated on the same version. It could be anything that Toady ajusted and you're simply over a certain limit by far and it takes a while before they raid you again... From that point on, it's only speculation unless some specific corrolations can be made. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 09:17, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::::it´s an old version generated world.

== add smth about timing? ==

Goblins seem to prefer arriving with caravans. Comments? Any guesses on percentage distribution?

:I believe there's an event chance when something like caravan appears. Once i had a goblin squad spawn along with human caravan, after a reload, @same place&time it didn't happen. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:05, 25 February 2008 (EST)
::things seem to like arriving in the middle of a season. that includes caravans, thieves, ambushes, and migrants. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 02:45, 1 March 2008 (EST)

:::For me, goblins always show up with the elves so I dont need to worry about trading with them. --CrazyMcfobo

== Protection? ==

Ive noticed that there are 3 ways to dispose of goblins.

1. Make huge walls of cage traps to capture them and then proceed to drown them in your flooding chamber. This also prevents blood from getting on the goblins so the elves will trade for their items. (Thieves cannot be moved as they escape from cages as you take them out)

2. Make a choke point at the entrance of your base and fire your ballistas! Usually around 4 should do the trick if they are close together. When they come, call in all your dwarves, and arm your ballistas. Once they enter the choke point, have them fire at will and they will be disposed of.

3. Of course you can always set up zounds of stone-fall traps all over your map.

4. armies work to start, but goblin champions are quite excellent at striking down your armies through fortifications and platemail.

== Become friends with your fellow Goblin!==

Goblins are fun to kill. I like watching them suffer as a barrage of bolts rains down upon the. Sometimes I watch them drown with a kitten in there to see if it survives. I look forward to goblins and their trolls. Oh goblins! Come to me now!
--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 14:42, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
:Is there any way to speed up the goblin ambushes?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 18:12, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::Letting the kobolds/goblins steal from you makes them come with better gear I believe, but I am not sure about whether or not they come faster. --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 22:30, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Should we add anything to the main article about the reports of friendly goblin caravans looking to trade with certain civilizations? "Darn friendly goblins! What am I going to use these traps for now?" --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 05:30, 13 January 2009 (EST)

== The goblin annoyance ==

These forces of vile darkness are invading me more than once a year. I barely have time to clean off the battle-field before the next force arrives. This has, of course supplied me with 40+ bins of valuable goblin clothing, as well as a ridiculous amount of iron from melting down their gear. I can defeat these forces easily enough with my 50+ crossbow dwarfs raining death down upon them, but really, enough is enough. Are these attacks ever going to cease or slow down a bit? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 14:28, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

::Nope. In further versions, it will be possible to affect the world map, and other cities/towers/forts. I imagine that this will mean that at some point, a goblin civilization will run out of goblins, or you can take over their city. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 20:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

== Snatcher message ==

When the game tells you "A kidnapper has made off with Baby (name)!" does that mean the child has been successfully taken off the map? Or just that it has been grabbed? I never noticed any other warning about the snatcher so I'm guessing it succesfully remained invisible...? The baby doesn't show up on the unit list, nor does the snatcher. [[User:Caradhras|Caradhras]] 21:47, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

: "made off" means he successfully left the map with the baby. [[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 06:34, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

===Releasing Caged Children===
I got a message "(Child) has canceled sleep: Caged", and (I'm pretty sure) I killed the snatcher before he managed to leave. How do I get the child back?
:if you drowned him your probably out of luck, otherwise have the child's cage built, or have him moved to another cage/restraint, then free him--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 15:47, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
===master thieves===
it appears i have a goblin master thief in my cage trap, perhaps they're not trap-immune unless stealthed?
:No thief is 100% immune to traps. They have a certain chance to avoid traps whether sneaking or revealed. Kobolds are a lot better at it than goblins, but even they aren't completely immune. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 13:22, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::Theoretically that would mean you can even catch a demon... O_o --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 21:48, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::: You can catch ''anything'' with a cage trap. Demons (well in fact, I think they're immune to traps, but I'm not a Proficien Raw Reader), dragons, colossi, giant eagle, elephants, dwarves (well, when they're unconscious), titans, everything. And this, even with a wooden, or worse, a ''glass'' cage (more exactly, a terrarium). [[User:Timst|Timst]] 06:20, 8 November 2008 (EST)

::::Well, demons have [TRAPAVOID], unlike all those others. So do kobolds. Goblins don't have it, although goblin thieves seem to.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:49, 8 November 2008 (EST)

===Fun Snatcher Facts===
It might be nice if goblin snatchers had their own page so there was someplace relevant to put this other than a talk page...

-If a Goblin Snatcher successfully makes it off the map with a child, you can find the exact square the child was snatched from by zooming to the child from the Relationship screen of a dwarf still present on the map (say, the parent). Basically, despite being removed from the (U)nit list, they can still be 'found' via the relationship list because they still retain friends/family/etc...

-Snatched children receive a happy thought from being grabbed, which you can see if you go to (v)iew from the relationship screen: "(S)he is happy to be free."

:I bet that thought is supposed to be for when you free them from the goblins, but what if it isn't? A dwarf's life is hard, usually spent serving nobles, and the slightest misstep gets you hammerized. Are we really the good guys? [[User:Rolan7|Rolan7]] 14:03, 27 February 2009 (EST)

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:52, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:I changed the Snatcher redirect to [[Thief]] instead of [[Goblin]]. Snatchers are considered a type of thief. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)

== i think i need some help ==

so i settled riiight next to what i thought was a goblin settlement, as i have before, but the same thing happened that always does, its like there isnt anyone there-
i could see goblins, and humans but they werent moving or anything, i even sent my squad over, they didnt even notice the goblin the the square next to them.

what am I doing wrong?

:I noticed the same thing - starting on a goblin fort and all the goblins are FRIENDLY in the view unit screen. (40d) Anybody? --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 12:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Goblin

2009-02-27T19:03:11Z

Rolan7: /* Fun Snatcher Facts */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Mainstream? Crossbreeding would be a scientific term. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:01, 25 February 2008 (EST)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins have access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!
:::No problems... I've seen so many people complaining about the lack of gobling sieges since 33g that I was wondering myself if they were broken or not. They're supposed to attack you now instead of sitting on the edge of the map, can you confirm that? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:42, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::of course they do. but they came in where no connection was (okok...it was a bridge)
::::so I had to dig a new way...and yes they are very agressive! I wondered why the goblin force came exacly at the beginning of 1060...coincidence?
:::::Depends if you're playing a game from a fortress ported from lower versions like me or not. Hard to say when you're playing an old game and didn't start the fortress on a world generated on the same version. It could be anything that Toady ajusted and you're simply over a certain limit by far and it takes a while before they raid you again... From that point on, it's only speculation unless some specific corrolations can be made. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 09:17, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::::it´s an old version generated world.

== add smth about timing? ==

Goblins seem to prefer arriving with caravans. Comments? Any guesses on percentage distribution?

:I believe there's an event chance when something like caravan appears. Once i had a goblin squad spawn along with human caravan, after a reload, @same place&time it didn't happen. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:05, 25 February 2008 (EST)
::things seem to like arriving in the middle of a season. that includes caravans, thieves, ambushes, and migrants. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 02:45, 1 March 2008 (EST)

:::For me, goblins always show up with the elves so I dont need to worry about trading with them. --CrazyMcfobo

== Protection? ==

Ive noticed that there are 3 ways to dispose of goblins.

1. Make huge walls of cage traps to capture them and then proceed to drown them in your flooding chamber. This also prevents blood from getting on the goblins so the elves will trade for their items. (Thieves cannot be moved as they escape from cages as you take them out)

2. Make a choke point at the entrance of your base and fire your ballistas! Usually around 4 should do the trick if they are close together. When they come, call in all your dwarves, and arm your ballistas. Once they enter the choke point, have them fire at will and they will be disposed of.

3. Of course you can always set up zounds of stone-fall traps all over your map.

4. armies work to start, but goblin champions are quite excellent at striking down your armies through fortifications and platemail.

== Become friends with your fellow Goblin!==

Goblins are fun to kill. I like watching them suffer as a barrage of bolts rains down upon the. Sometimes I watch them drown with a kitten in there to see if it survives. I look forward to goblins and their trolls. Oh goblins! Come to me now!
--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 14:42, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
:Is there any way to speed up the goblin ambushes?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 18:12, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::Letting the kobolds/goblins steal from you makes them come with better gear I believe, but I am not sure about whether or not they come faster. --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 22:30, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Should we add anything to the main article about the reports of friendly goblin caravans looking to trade with certain civilizations? "Darn friendly goblins! What am I going to use these traps for now?" --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 05:30, 13 January 2009 (EST)

== The goblin annoyance ==

These forces of vile darkness are invading me more than once a year. I barely have time to clean off the battle-field before the next force arrives. This has, of course supplied me with 40+ bins of valuable goblin clothing, as well as a ridiculous amount of iron from melting down their gear. I can defeat these forces easily enough with my 50+ crossbow dwarfs raining death down upon them, but really, enough is enough. Are these attacks ever going to cease or slow down a bit? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 14:28, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

::Nope. In further versions, it will be possible to affect the world map, and other cities/towers/forts. I imagine that this will mean that at some point, a goblin civilization will run out of goblins, or you can take over their city. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 20:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

== Snatcher message ==

When the game tells you "A kidnapper has made off with Baby (name)!" does that mean the child has been successfully taken off the map? Or just that it has been grabbed? I never noticed any other warning about the snatcher so I'm guessing it succesfully remained invisible...? The baby doesn't show up on the unit list, nor does the snatcher. [[User:Caradhras|Caradhras]] 21:47, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

: "made off" means he successfully left the map with the baby. [[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 06:34, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

===Releasing Caged Children===
I got a message "(Child) has canceled sleep: Caged", and (I'm pretty sure) I killed the snatcher before he managed to leave. How do I get the child back?
:if you drowned him your probably out of luck, otherwise have the child's cage built, or have him moved to another cage/restraint, then free him--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 15:47, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
===master thieves===
it appears i have a goblin master thief in my cage trap, perhaps they're not trap-immune unless stealthed?
:No thief is 100% immune to traps. They have a certain chance to avoid traps whether sneaking or revealed. Kobolds are a lot better at it than goblins, but even they aren't completely immune. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 13:22, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::Theoretically that would mean you can even catch a demon... O_o --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 21:48, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::: You can catch ''anything'' with a cage trap. Demons (well in fact, I think they're immune to traps, but I'm not a Proficien Raw Reader), dragons, colossi, giant eagle, elephants, dwarves (well, when they're unconscious), titans, everything. And this, even with a wooden, or worse, a ''glass'' cage (more exactly, a terrarium). [[User:Timst|Timst]] 06:20, 8 November 2008 (EST)

::::Well, demons have [TRAPAVOID], unlike all those others. So do kobolds. Goblins don't have it, although goblin thieves seem to.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:49, 8 November 2008 (EST)

===Fun Snatcher Facts===
It might be nice if goblin snatchers had their own page so there was someplace relevant to put this other than a talk page...

-If a Goblin Snatcher successfully makes it off the map with a child, you can find the exact square the child was snatched from by zooming to the child from the Relationship screen of a dwarf still present on the map (say, the parent). Basically, despite being removed from the (U)nit list, they can still be 'found' via the relationship list because they still retain friends/family/etc...

-Snatched children receive a happy thought from being grabbed, which you can see if you go to (v)iew from the relationship screen: "(S)he is happy to be free."

:I bet that thought it supposed to be for when you free them from the goblins, but what if it isn't? A dwarf's life is hard, usually spent serving nobles, and the slightest misstep gets you hammerized. Are we really the good guys? [[User:Rolan7|Rolan7]] 14:03, 27 February 2009 (EST)

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:52, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:I changed the Snatcher redirect to [[Thief]] instead of [[Goblin]]. Snatchers are considered a type of thief. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)

== i think i need some help ==

so i settled riiight next to what i thought was a goblin settlement, as i have before, but the same thing happened that always does, its like there isnt anyone there-
i could see goblins, and humans but they werent moving or anything, i even sent my squad over, they didnt even notice the goblin the the square next to them.

what am I doing wrong?

:I noticed the same thing - starting on a goblin fort and all the goblins are FRIENDLY in the view unit screen. (40d) Anybody? --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 12:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)