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== Arrival conditions ==
My [[Count]] was promoted to Duke just after a trade caravan left: Pop 215, Created ~960k, Imported ~497k (may have been more at the time), Exported 30235. -- [[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 02:41, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

My [[Baron]] was promoted to Duke also after a trade caravan left: Pop '''211''', Created '''~1800k''', Imported '''~373k''', Exported '''30913'''. I suspect that Export must be over 30000 for the Duchy -- [[User:Zruty|Zruty]] 13:12, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

My Baroness was promoted to Countess recently, but hasn't been promoted to Duchess. Current status: Pop 130, Created 2953k, Imported 282k, Exported 45k. It seems likely that there's both Export 30,000 and a population requirement (my guess is 140). [[User:Vaniver|Vaniver]] 14:54, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
:Just became Duchy- not sure what the trigger was. The preceding events that might have had an impact (from most recent to older): mayoral election, arrival of Human traders, birth of 152nd dwarf. Pop 152, Created 4866k, Imported 334k, Exported 57k. [[User:Vaniver|Vaniver]] 19:19, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Examples of counts becoming dukes ==

I have had two forts with counts promoted to dukes recently, both in 0.28.181.40c. The first one was a count at about 140 inhabitants, ~1000k wealth, 200k imported and 20k exported. I traded away 10k to the autumn dwarven traders, and the moment the last wagon left the map, the fortress became a duchy. So the 30k requirement seems right.

In the other fort, I already had 120 inhabitants, 4000k wealth, 1000k imported and 100k exported when the baron came. He immediately became a count. The population passed 140 in a spring immigration wave, and the following late summer, without any important events, he was suddenly promoted to duke. The only irregularity was that the human caravan didn't come.

It seems (and this fits with other people's experiences) that if all requirements are met except the 140 population, that the event will fire randomly but fairly quickly once the population reaches 140. When all requirements are met except for the 30k exported wealth, the event fires the instant that is met. If this has to do with seasons or anything else, I don't know, so I'm not editing the page. Just thought that this would be useful information.

Edit: Oops, I'm new to this, I guess I'll add this manually. Report made by Vaftrudner, 5th September 2008. There. ;)

I got my count in a migrant wave, and then after the traders left the map and I got over 30,000 exported, nothing happened. I have had 2 more traders since then and am now at POP;179 dwarves, 178 animals. exported;50630 imported;582016 created;1626577 and am playing with the economy. Any other things I need? no deaths of nobles ever, and very few deaths at all.--[[User:Destor|Destor]] 13:09, 28 December 2008 (EST)
EDIT: oh, and I just noticed that even though I have the count, the status screen still says I am a city. do I need the latest version?--[[User:Destor|Destor]] 13:13, 28 December 2008 (EST)

:I am about to make an... experiment. Currently have 1296k created, 926k imported and 114k exported. Current population at 122, cap set at 139. Should provide more insight into population requirement. --[[User:Liqum|Liqum]] 02:16, 9 February 2009 (EST)

::Well this experiment was a huge failure! Even though I had set the pop limit to 139 I somehow got my pop up to 146 in the previous immigration wave. And the countess did not turn into a duchess either. --[[User:Liqum|Liqum]] 16:05, 9 February 2009 (EST)

:::It struck me that the current age of the fortress may be of relevance. Mine has existed for 9 years so far (no duke yet). --[[User:Liqum|Liqum]] 16:32, 9 February 2009 (EST)

::::And BAM! I just got my countess to become a duchess. The human caravan had just left, not sure if that is related however. 1136k created wealth, 1045k imported, 114k exported, population of 146, 9 year old fortress. --[[User:Liqum|Liqum]] 17:32, 9 February 2009 (EST)

== From Baroness to Duchess ==

After finally getting the exported wealth amount above 10k (3 sieges in a single year, skipping winter or course) my Baroness showed up the next spring with the first migrant wave. Come summer and the human caravan my exported wealth jumped to 50,768 (from about 11k) and no sooner had the last merchant left then I became a Duchy (completely skipping Count). 30k sounds about right based on past games, either way its definitely 50k or under. [[User:Lando242|Lando242]] 14:40, 3 January 2009 (EST)

== Maximum Number of Dukes/consorts? ==

Anyone have any idea how many dukes and consorts a fort can max out at, or if there's a maximum at all? so far, I've gotten three dukes (no nobles deaths in the fort) and consorts, along with every other noble that comes... --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version.

That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Russian Interwiki ==
I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==
Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==
Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==
Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Version updates ==
There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄<totalquotenum>, so I don't think it's really needed.

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==
It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== German Translation ==
I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==
Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)
:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==
What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? ==
Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

== Demystify messages? ==
Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==
What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==
I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Would like to second the build-tree suggestion. New player here, and I use the wiki to reference items I require but do not know how to build. I may be a bit slow, but it took me half a year to figure out I needed a Weaponsmith to make new Iron Picks. The wiki page only mentions the Metalsmith's Forge, and it never occurred to me that Weaponsmiths use the same workshop, since a pick is physically both wood and iron. Having a description that says exactly what is needed to create an item would be very useful for new players. --[[User:T.D.|tuxdelux]] 15:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

== Change guide? ==
Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)
::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
::*The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

That's the address which was originally used for the site, before Senso registered a separate domain for it (dwarffortresswiki.net). Both domains are valid and point to the same content, so they're interchangeable. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

Just for the record, does anybody mind if I put a link to the [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page on the front page? [[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 12:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Shutting down the archive ==

In about two weeks, I will shutdown the read-only archive (http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net) as I believe we've been using the current versions long enough. I'm also looking at ways to reduce the server load, disk space used and bandwidth consumed. So there. If articles were not ported to the current wiki, please do ASAP. If you have objections, please speak now. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:Regarding outright deletion: I'd prefer you didn't. Is there at least a way to preseve it in some downloadable format? The old version of the game was interesting in its intrinsic danger, and besides that, I have a succession game using that version. I think a downloadble, locally-running copy would be a good idea.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

::Mediawiki allows for database dumps to be made. Any chance you could do this? I am interested in this content. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki - you'd just follow the procedures for an xml dump and make the resulting files available for a limited time. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== PSA ==

While the intention is great, the main page isn't the place to post it.
It should be added to the editing/creating dialog, probably so that it appears under any previews, and above the actual editing box. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:Gladly - just tell me how to do it without the required permissions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::It was my intention that you would bring it up to Senso to do it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:35, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:::Agreed, putting editing pet peeves at the top of the main page is overkill. Ask Senso to make the changes Edward suggests.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Frankly, I think it's important enough, and unknown enough, that it should stay on the front page. -- [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::If it does stay on the main page, professionalize it a bit more and remove the sigs. My vote's for taking it down anyways. I almost hit revert as a "knee-jerk response to vandalism". The main page article is not a place to air your grievances about how people edit. --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 06:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:::If it could be moved to the Editing/Creating page, then I wouldn't object to moving it off the main page. But I'm on several wikis, and not one of them lists the sign-off info anywhere that's easy or intuitive to discover. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::It can be, it just needs edit permissions on the host. While it looks a tad better now (thanks RF), it's still entirely out of place. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::This is a very jarring thing to see on the main page. It is completely out of place and affects the first impression people get when they see the wiki. It just makes us look bad. Put the issue on Senso's talk page and he is likely to add it to the editing dialog, but it should be taken down first. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:34, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

::::I have removed the PSA under the premise that changes to the main page are wrong until proven right, rather than the other way around. We can return it after agreement has been reached regarding its presence. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I'll mess with the code today and include such a warning directly on the Editing template. I'm also tired of people not using signatures. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

There may be a page in the MediaWiki namespace that can be used. [[Mediawiki:Edittools]] will add text _after_ the edit box; I don't know about before. I know Wikipedia has a feature for that but I think it's an extension. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:41, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh. after going through the source code I can now say there is NOT one - there's ones for all kinds of special cases (creating a page, recreating a deleted page, editing a protected page as an admin, editing a Mediawiki: page as an admin) but not one to just always show. Nevermind, then [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't even see a huge problem with people not signing their posts, anyway. If a person only makes one or two posts, knowing their "name" isn't important. People who intend to stick around should be [[template:newbie|clued in]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:39, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lets Download Dwarf Fortress! ==

Well you can't, and that's the issue. Are there any plans on changing the main page's link to a mirror? Since this wiki comes in second on Google only to the official Bay 12 homepage, it'd make sense for there to be a working download for potential players. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

: I added the links for mirrors 2-4 to the downtime notice. "Mirror" 1 is B12G itself. - [[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 01:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Per my PM to FunnyMan, is there a mirror link available for the Mac version? These are just the Windows version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
::Though for obvious reasons I am unable to vouch for it's integrity (ie. infected by virus, spyware, etc.), [http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Dwarf-Fortress.shtml|Softpedia] has a mirror of the most recent version, OS X edition. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 00:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::The download link is just the Bay12 site again, which is down, however Funnyman has just added a Mac download mirror link to the main page. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== ETA? ==

I miss Bay 12 Games! Does anyone have any idea when we should be getting it back? I just want to know if I should stop constantly clicking my bookmark and sit back and wait for a few weeks. --[[User:Zoodle|Zoodle]] 16:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

: I think it's safe to say that since we can't make donations to Toady while the site's down, it'll be back up pretty soon. --[[User:Fossaman|Fossaman]] 13:58, 27 October 2008 (PDT)
::You can make donations: if you go to an archived version of the page, the paypal buttons still work since paypal didn't crash. According to Toady on at least two occasions, the site was supposed to be back up today (monday). But that doesn't seem to be happening. It should happen soon, though. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

::Looks like the main site just came back up. The forums are still not back up yet, though I imagine they will be within the next few hours. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

::You'll be pleased to know that the forums are now back up as well, and seem to be functioning normally. [[User:Ryo|Ryo]] 13:00, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

::So Random### decided to say that the forums are '''not''' up. Last I checked, being able to reach the "you are banned" screen means the forums are back up. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:16, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
...huh? (way to insult me behind my back btw - if you have something to say, next time say it on [[user talk:random832|my talk page]]) - anyway, it was a DNS problem, and the page I did see was a PHP error message, NOT a forum software "you are banned" messages. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Forums? ==

A short time ago but after the forums crashed I got a pair of PMs claiming to be from the bay12games forum.

Are these forums up somewhere, or how would I explain those PMs? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]]

:Last I checked, the b12g forums were actually back up and linked to from the bay12games site. <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:47, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::Nope, when I go to /forum/ I just get a mostly-empty directory view --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 09:14, 21 November 2008 (EST)

DNS problems. See instructions at http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=34213 . [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Not helpful- I've already flushed my DNS several times, used ''different'' DNS's, and tried that fix- I'm still getting the 'empty' forum folder. And according to cmd>ping, the DNS addresses are already correct.

::Strange. Try going specifically to http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:::404, actually --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 01:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::OK then, what IP address is it indicating when you ping the server (which you mentioned above)? The new, current IP (which I double checked) for bay12games.com is 216.97.239.212. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::That -is- the IP ._. In fact, that`s been the IP for months.
::::That said, manually going to http://216.97.239.212/forum/ worked, but trying to click -anything- redirects me to a 404 on bay12games.com/forum/. About the only other thing I can see is that I'm getting wwwRedirect in the GET string.
:::: Hm, found what may be the issue. Despite having flushed/registered the DNS a week or so ago, my DNS records still have the wrong IP in for bay12games. Confusing as all get-out, since /dwarves/dev_now.html works fine for me. {{unsigned|Sukasa}}

:::::The ping command should resolve DNS entries exactly the same as your browser would, so that was why I was asking (i.e. "ping bay12games.com" should resolve to 216.97.239.212). Glad you've got it nailed down as a DNS issue though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:25, 22 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Uh, by the way: do you access the internet through a router? Sometimes they can muck things up, and in fact I've seen one cause problems by caching DNS entries. Fixing such a problem would vary from one router to the next, though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:34, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::It's a Linksys Router, yes. It's definitely not the router and instead my internal cache, since the problem persists even when I bring my laptop to work or to University. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:53, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Firefox also maintains its own cache, IIRC. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:13, 24 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Nah, I use Chrome. Anyways, managed to fix it, thanks for the help --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 16:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

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== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version.

That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Russian Interwiki ==
I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==
Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==
Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==
Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Version updates ==
There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄<totalquotenum>, so I don't think it's really needed.

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==
It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== German Translation ==
I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==
Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)
:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==
What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? ==
Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

== Demystify messages? ==
Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==
What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==
I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Would like to second the build-tree suggestion. New player here, and I use the wiki to reference items I require but do not know how to build. I may be a bit slow, but it took me half a year to figure out I needed a Weaponsmith to make new Iron Picks. The wiki page only mentions the Metalsmith's Forge, and it never occurred to me that Weaponsmiths use the same workshop, since a pick is physically both wood and iron. Having a description that says exactly what is needed to create an item would be very useful for new players. --[[User:T.D.|tuxdelux]] 15:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

== Change guide? ==
Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)
::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
::*The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

That's the address which was originally used for the site, before Senso registered a separate domain for it (dwarffortresswiki.net). Both domains are valid and point to the same content, so they're interchangeable. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

Just for the record, does anybody mind if I put a link to the [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page on the front page? [[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 12:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Shutting down the archive ==

In about two weeks, I will shutdown the read-only archive (http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net) as I believe we've been using the current versions long enough. I'm also looking at ways to reduce the server load, disk space used and bandwidth consumed. So there. If articles were not ported to the current wiki, please do ASAP. If you have objections, please speak now. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:Regarding outright deletion: I'd prefer you didn't. Is there at least a way to preseve it in some downloadable format? The old version of the game was interesting in its intrinsic danger, and besides that, I have a succession game using that version. I think a downloadble, locally-running copy would be a good idea.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

::Mediawiki allows for database dumps to be made. Any chance you could do this? I am interested in this content. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki - you'd just follow the procedures for an xml dump and make the resulting files available for a limited time. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== PSA ==

While the intention is great, the main page isn't the place to post it.
It should be added to the editing/creating dialog, probably so that it appears under any previews, and above the actual editing box. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:Gladly - just tell me how to do it without the required permissions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::It was my intention that you would bring it up to Senso to do it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:35, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:::Agreed, putting editing pet peeves at the top of the main page is overkill. Ask Senso to make the changes Edward suggests.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Frankly, I think it's important enough, and unknown enough, that it should stay on the front page. -- [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::If it does stay on the main page, professionalize it a bit more and remove the sigs. My vote's for taking it down anyways. I almost hit revert as a "knee-jerk response to vandalism". The main page article is not a place to air your grievances about how people edit. --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 06:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:::If it could be moved to the Editing/Creating page, then I wouldn't object to moving it off the main page. But I'm on several wikis, and not one of them lists the sign-off info anywhere that's easy or intuitive to discover. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::It can be, it just needs edit permissions on the host. While it looks a tad better now (thanks RF), it's still entirely out of place. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::This is a very jarring thing to see on the main page. It is completely out of place and affects the first impression people get when they see the wiki. It just makes us look bad. Put the issue on Senso's talk page and he is likely to add it to the editing dialog, but it should be taken down first. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:34, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

::::I have removed the PSA under the premise that changes to the main page are wrong until proven right, rather than the other way around. We can return it after agreement has been reached regarding its presence. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I'll mess with the code today and include such a warning directly on the Editing template. I'm also tired of people not using signatures. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

There may be a page in the MediaWiki namespace that can be used. [[Mediawiki:Edittools]] will add text _after_ the edit box; I don't know about before. I know Wikipedia has a feature for that but I think it's an extension. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:41, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh. after going through the source code I can now say there is NOT one - there's ones for all kinds of special cases (creating a page, recreating a deleted page, editing a protected page as an admin, editing a Mediawiki: page as an admin) but not one to just always show. Nevermind, then [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't even see a huge problem with people not signing their posts, anyway. If a person only makes one or two posts, knowing their "name" isn't important. People who intend to stick around should be [[template:newbie|clued in]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:39, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lets Download Dwarf Fortress! ==

Well you can't, and that's the issue. Are there any plans on changing the main page's link to a mirror? Since this wiki comes in second on Google only to the official Bay 12 homepage, it'd make sense for there to be a working download for potential players. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

: I added the links for mirrors 2-4 to the downtime notice. "Mirror" 1 is B12G itself. - [[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 01:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Per my PM to FunnyMan, is there a mirror link available for the Mac version? These are just the Windows version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
::Though for obvious reasons I am unable to vouch for it's integrity (ie. infected by virus, spyware, etc.), [http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Dwarf-Fortress.shtml|Softpedia] has a mirror of the most recent version, OS X edition. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 00:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::The download link is just the Bay12 site again, which is down, however Funnyman has just added a Mac download mirror link to the main page. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== ETA? ==

I miss Bay 12 Games! Does anyone have any idea when we should be getting it back? I just want to know if I should stop constantly clicking my bookmark and sit back and wait for a few weeks. --[[User:Zoodle|Zoodle]] 16:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

: I think it's safe to say that since we can't make donations to Toady while the site's down, it'll be back up pretty soon. --[[User:Fossaman|Fossaman]] 13:58, 27 October 2008 (PDT)
::You can make donations: if you go to an archived version of the page, the paypal buttons still work since paypal didn't crash. According to Toady on at least two occasions, the site was supposed to be back up today (monday). But that doesn't seem to be happening. It should happen soon, though. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

::Looks like the main site just came back up. The forums are still not back up yet, though I imagine they will be within the next few hours. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

::You'll be pleased to know that the forums are now back up as well, and seem to be functioning normally. [[User:Ryo|Ryo]] 13:00, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

::So Random### decided to say that the forums are '''not''' up. Last I checked, being able to reach the "you are banned" screen means the forums are back up. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:16, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
...huh? (way to insult me behind my back btw - if you have something to say, next time say it on [[user talk:random832|my talk page]]) - anyway, it was a DNS problem, and the page I did see was a PHP error message, NOT a forum software "you are banned" messages. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Forums? ==

A short time ago but after the forums crashed I got a pair of PMs claiming to be from the bay12games forum.

Are these forums up somewhere, or how would I explain those PMs? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]]

:Last I checked, the b12g forums were actually back up and linked to from the bay12games site. <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:47, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::Nope, when I go to /forum/ I just get a mostly-empty directory view --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 09:14, 21 November 2008 (EST)

DNS problems. See instructions at http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=34213 . [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Not helpful- I've already flushed my DNS several times, used ''different'' DNS's, and tried that fix- I'm still getting the 'empty' forum folder. And according to cmd>ping, the DNS addresses are already correct.

::Strange. Try going specifically to http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:::404, actually --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 01:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::OK then, what IP address is it indicating when you ping the server (which you mentioned above)? The new, current IP (which I double checked) for bay12games.com is 216.97.239.212. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::That -is- the IP ._. In fact, that`s been the IP for months.

::::That said, manually going to http://216.97.239.212/forum/ worked, but trying to click -anything- redirects me to a 404 on bay12games.com/forum/. About the only other thing I can see is that I'm getting wwwRedirect in the GET string.

:::: Hm, found what may be the issue. Despite having flushed/registered the DNS a week or so ago, my DNS records still have the wrong IP in for bay12games. Confusing as all get-out, since /dwarves/dev_now.html works fine for me.

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== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version.

That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Russian Interwiki ==
I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==
Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==
Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==
Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Version updates ==
There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄<totalquotenum>, so I don't think it's really needed.

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==
It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== German Translation ==
I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==
Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)
:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==
What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? ==
Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

== Demystify messages? ==
Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==
What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==
I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Would like to second the build-tree suggestion. New player here, and I use the wiki to reference items I require but do not know how to build. I may be a bit slow, but it took me half a year to figure out I needed a Weaponsmith to make new Iron Picks. The wiki page only mentions the Metalsmith's Forge, and it never occurred to me that Weaponsmiths use the same workshop, since a pick is physically both wood and iron. Having a description that says exactly what is needed to create an item would be very useful for new players. --[[User:T.D.|tuxdelux]] 15:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

== Change guide? ==
Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)
::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
::*The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

That's the address which was originally used for the site, before Senso registered a separate domain for it (dwarffortresswiki.net). Both domains are valid and point to the same content, so they're interchangeable. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

Just for the record, does anybody mind if I put a link to the [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page on the front page? [[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 12:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Shutting down the archive ==

In about two weeks, I will shutdown the read-only archive (http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net) as I believe we've been using the current versions long enough. I'm also looking at ways to reduce the server load, disk space used and bandwidth consumed. So there. If articles were not ported to the current wiki, please do ASAP. If you have objections, please speak now. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:Regarding outright deletion: I'd prefer you didn't. Is there at least a way to preseve it in some downloadable format? The old version of the game was interesting in its intrinsic danger, and besides that, I have a succession game using that version. I think a downloadble, locally-running copy would be a good idea.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

::Mediawiki allows for database dumps to be made. Any chance you could do this? I am interested in this content. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki - you'd just follow the procedures for an xml dump and make the resulting files available for a limited time. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== PSA ==

While the intention is great, the main page isn't the place to post it.
It should be added to the editing/creating dialog, probably so that it appears under any previews, and above the actual editing box. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:Gladly - just tell me how to do it without the required permissions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::It was my intention that you would bring it up to Senso to do it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:35, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:::Agreed, putting editing pet peeves at the top of the main page is overkill. Ask Senso to make the changes Edward suggests.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Frankly, I think it's important enough, and unknown enough, that it should stay on the front page. -- [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::If it does stay on the main page, professionalize it a bit more and remove the sigs. My vote's for taking it down anyways. I almost hit revert as a "knee-jerk response to vandalism". The main page article is not a place to air your grievances about how people edit. --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 06:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:::If it could be moved to the Editing/Creating page, then I wouldn't object to moving it off the main page. But I'm on several wikis, and not one of them lists the sign-off info anywhere that's easy or intuitive to discover. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::It can be, it just needs edit permissions on the host. While it looks a tad better now (thanks RF), it's still entirely out of place. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::This is a very jarring thing to see on the main page. It is completely out of place and affects the first impression people get when they see the wiki. It just makes us look bad. Put the issue on Senso's talk page and he is likely to add it to the editing dialog, but it should be taken down first. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:34, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

::::I have removed the PSA under the premise that changes to the main page are wrong until proven right, rather than the other way around. We can return it after agreement has been reached regarding its presence. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I'll mess with the code today and include such a warning directly on the Editing template. I'm also tired of people not using signatures. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

There may be a page in the MediaWiki namespace that can be used. [[Mediawiki:Edittools]] will add text _after_ the edit box; I don't know about before. I know Wikipedia has a feature for that but I think it's an extension. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:41, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh. after going through the source code I can now say there is NOT one - there's ones for all kinds of special cases (creating a page, recreating a deleted page, editing a protected page as an admin, editing a Mediawiki: page as an admin) but not one to just always show. Nevermind, then [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't even see a huge problem with people not signing their posts, anyway. If a person only makes one or two posts, knowing their "name" isn't important. People who intend to stick around should be [[template:newbie|clued in]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:39, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lets Download Dwarf Fortress! ==

Well you can't, and that's the issue. Are there any plans on changing the main page's link to a mirror? Since this wiki comes in second on Google only to the official Bay 12 homepage, it'd make sense for there to be a working download for potential players. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

: I added the links for mirrors 2-4 to the downtime notice. "Mirror" 1 is B12G itself. - [[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 01:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Per my PM to FunnyMan, is there a mirror link available for the Mac version? These are just the Windows version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
::Though for obvious reasons I am unable to vouch for it's integrity (ie. infected by virus, spyware, etc.), [http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Dwarf-Fortress.shtml|Softpedia] has a mirror of the most recent version, OS X edition. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 00:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::The download link is just the Bay12 site again, which is down, however Funnyman has just added a Mac download mirror link to the main page. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== ETA? ==

I miss Bay 12 Games! Does anyone have any idea when we should be getting it back? I just want to know if I should stop constantly clicking my bookmark and sit back and wait for a few weeks. --[[User:Zoodle|Zoodle]] 16:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

: I think it's safe to say that since we can't make donations to Toady while the site's down, it'll be back up pretty soon. --[[User:Fossaman|Fossaman]] 13:58, 27 October 2008 (PDT)
::You can make donations: if you go to an archived version of the page, the paypal buttons still work since paypal didn't crash. According to Toady on at least two occasions, the site was supposed to be back up today (monday). But that doesn't seem to be happening. It should happen soon, though. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

::Looks like the main site just came back up. The forums are still not back up yet, though I imagine they will be within the next few hours. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

::You'll be pleased to know that the forums are now back up as well, and seem to be functioning normally. [[User:Ryo|Ryo]] 13:00, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

::So Random### decided to say that the forums are '''not''' up. Last I checked, being able to reach the "you are banned" screen means the forums are back up. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:16, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
...huh? (way to insult me behind my back btw - if you have something to say, next time say it on [[user talk:random832|my talk page]]) - anyway, it was a DNS problem, and the page I did see was a PHP error message, NOT a forum software "you are banned" messages. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Forums? ==

A short time ago but after the forums crashed I got a pair of PMs claiming to be from the bay12games forum.

Are these forums up somewhere, or how would I explain those PMs? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]]

:Last I checked, the b12g forums were actually back up and linked to from the bay12games site. <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:47, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::Nope, when I go to /forum/ I just get a mostly-empty directory view --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 09:14, 21 November 2008 (EST)

DNS problems. See instructions at http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=34213 . [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Not helpful- I've already flushed my DNS several times, used ''different'' DNS's, and tried that fix- I'm still getting the 'empty' forum folder. And according to cmd>ping, the DNS addresses are already correct.

::Strange. Try going specifically to http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:::404, actually --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 01:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::OK then, what IP address is it indicating when you ping the server (which you mentioned above)? The new, current IP (which I double checked) for bay12games.com is 216.97.239.212. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::That -is- the IP ._. In fact, that`s been the IP for months.

::::That said, manually going to http://216.97.239.212/forum/ worked, but trying to click -anything- redirects me to a 404 on bay12games.com/forum/. About the only other thing I can see is that I'm getting wwwRedirect in the GET string.

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Sukasa: /* Forums? */

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40d Talk:Tile attributes

2008-10-14T22:11:08Z

Sukasa: /* inside light subterranean */

Huh, I guess it is subterranean and not just inside. Man, that really cramps my fortress design! --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:17, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

:Yeah, and since it's job cancellation instead of just not picking the job (like with forbidden), you get a cluster of dwarves sitting at your fortress door spamming you with cancellation messages. Fun. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 15:18, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

== inside light subterranean ==

Is it possible to create a light subterranean tile? e.g. by making a channel inside, covering it with a grate or glass floor, and then channeling above outside? I may experiment this on my next fortress. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:43, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

due to the way light and aboveground are handled, this is currently impossible. I figure it'll probably be possible sometime into the fire and lighting arc. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:11, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Screw pump

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Sukasa: /* Front vs rear */

{{archive|
#[[Talk:Screw pump|Current discussion]]
#[[Talk:Screw pump/archive1|Archive1]]
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== Archiving ==

See [[/archive1]] for discussions before July '08.
Most discussion was regarding page development which has been implemented. There are a few comments which might help people trying to work things out but most of it is in the article.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:56, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

==Two versions of the L-shaped tunnels design==
As I said when I removed it, there is no point having two. Do not add mine back in again. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 21:57, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

You'd also cut how to set up water wheels & connect them to the pump tower. I wasn't 100% certain how to diagram connecting the wheels to the smaller tower design so I thought it best to restore the whole section until someone added that into the L-shape design. [[User:Calenth|Calenth]]

== Pumping Magma? ==

Would this work if the pump was made of magma-safe materials? --[[User:Mizzy|Mizzy]] 21:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

:Please check a talk page's [[Talk:Screw_pump/archive1#Materials_for_magma_pumps|archives]] before asking a question. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 02:46, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

:An edit to the [[Stupid dwarf trick]] page implied that only the blocks need be made of magma-safe materials. This needs to be studied further. --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 17:28, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

== Self powered pumps ==

So I'm just starting a new fortress, its got everything but an easy to make moat, but there is a river start to the east a little and two or three levels lower than my entrance. So, what I'm wondering is, is there some easy way to get a hydraulic powered pump going off of the power of the water being pumped (after the dwarves do the initial pumping). Also if anyone has diagrams or something of how to easily bring water up two or three levels (or possibly higher if theres some advantage to having water fall from a height). Sorry if this is kind of stupid or answered or anything, last time I played the game it had 1 level and I never got too much into mechanics farther than floodgates (lots of complicated and redundant floodgates as I recall) so I've never tried a pump or waterwheel. I'd rather not screw up this map (its just short of perfect, major magnemite deposits with limestone being the main component to the mountain overall, access to every civ, its Cold [I'm from Canada so I like the cold], has good hunting and a major river start). Thanks --[[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 15:43, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

:Place a waterwheel in the original river to supply power. You can raise water multiple levels by the methods described [[Screw_pump#Multiple_Levels|here]]. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 20:01, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
::Thanks --[[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 01:57, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Note that if you bring the water up higher than the moat, it '''will''' (not might. will.) overtop your moat. That's a good way to flood your fortress. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:07, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

== Front vs rear ==

Do I understand correctly that the 'front' tile (i.e. blocks water flow) is the one where the water comes out of?

Sort of - it actually just 'spawns' water in the tile on the opposite side of that tile from the rear walkable tile, an amount equal to that which is removed a z-level down. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 16:19, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Dwarf cancels Construct Building: Item blocking site

2008-10-13T19:21:55Z

Sukasa: Duke Haet

This occurs when there is an item which the dwarf is not allowed to pick up lying on the ground where you want to place the building.

For instance the item is forbidden or is being used in another task (such as a rock that is to be used in a nearby wall or even more annoyingly moved to a stockpile, or a item that needs to be carried to the [[depot]]). Also comes up when you try to build whatever, and it is blocked by an owned and therefore unmovable item.

{{Errors FAQ}}

40d:Stupid dwarf trick

2008-10-13T18:45:37Z

Sukasa: /* Added another Stupid Dwarf Trick */

{{D for Dwarf}}

A '''stupid dwarf trick''' is any project that that requires a large amount time and effort, for little or no practical benefit. They exist only as a challenge for experienced players.

==Monumental Statue==

'''Difficulty:''' Depends on how big you want the statue to be.

'''Usefulness:''' None.

==Artificial Waterfall==
To keep the waterfall going, you need a [[pump]] stack, preferably powered by a [[windmill]] or [[water wheel]].

'''Difficulty:''' Moderate.

'''Usefulness:''' Dwarves love [[waterfall]]s. Putting a waterfall in your [[meeting hall]] will give your dwarves good [[thought]]s, although it can significantly lower framerate.

==Execution Tower==
Just a tall tower to chuck your captives to their deaths.

'''Difficulty:''' Easy.

'''Usefulness:''' Lets you dispose of prisoners, and claim expensive silk, meltable iron, and (eventually) useful bones.

==Bridge-a-pult==
A bridge that opens outwards, to fling enemies away. Ideally, they land in a very nasty place.

'''Difficulty:''' The hard part is the nasty place they get flung to.

'''Usefulness:''' There are a lot more effective ways to defend a fortress, but not as entertaining.

==Dam==
Build a wall across a riverbed to stop the flow of water. Floodgates optional.

'''Difficulty:''' On a map that freezes in the winter, this is easy. Otherwise, very difficult.

'''Usefulness:''' Dubious.

==[[Tower-cap]] Farm==
You absolutely need to break into an underground river or lake. Make some muddy floors over a big area and wait.

'''Difficulty:''' Moderate.

'''Usefulness:''' Yes, if it's big enough.

==Magma Pumping==
It's a lot like pumping water, only more dangerous, and requires the [[screw pump|pumps]] to use [[magma-proof]] pipes and screws in their construction.

'''Difficulty:''' The difficult part is making all those [[iron]] or [[steel]] pumps and [[bauxite]] [[floodgate]]s. Very high risk.

'''Usefulness:''' Magma is fun, but impractical.

==Booze Bomb==
If you set barrels of booze on fire they explode. Can possibly be used as a complex trap. About the only way to start a fire on demand is magma. Possibly caged fire imps or magma men.

'''Difficulty:''' High.

'''Usefulness:''' There many easier ways to kill goblins, but few that set them on fire.

==Greenhouse==
A [[greenhouse]] is just a farm with the the ceiling channeled out from above. This lets you grow outdoor plants without venturing above ground. For the maximum style, build a glass roof to keep your farmers safe.

'''Difficulty:''' Low.

'''Usefulness:''' Surface plants are not so much more useful than underground crops. [[Rope reed]] can be grown year round.

==Gladiator Arena==
'''Difficulty:''' Moderate, but time consuming.

'''Usefulness:''' The most difficult way to dispose of prisoners. It does give your soldiers a little bit of experience.

==Self Destruct Lever==
'''Difficulty:''' Very high. Extremely dangerous.

'''Usefulness:''' None. By definition.

==Flood the World==
'''Difficulty:''' High danger. Will kill your frame rate.

'''Usefulness:''' Will prevent any sieges, at least. Or anything else.

==[[Ballista]] Battery==
Overlap a few ballistas to completely cover a narrow corridor. There is an unavoidable risk of your operators wandering into the line of fire.

'''Difficulty:''' Low. If you insist on highly-trained operators with high-quality ballistas, it gets harder.

'''Usefulness:''' A complicated and dangerous way to defend a single corridor.

==[[Swimming]] pool==
It's a reservoir that fills to 4/7 exactly. Station soldiers inside, lock them in, and fill. This way they gain [[swimming]] skill.

'''Difficulty:''' Low. It's just a pair of reservoirs.

'''Usefulness:''' The swimming skill is only slightly useful. This is most useful if the entrance to your fort has narrow walkways/moats surrounded by water, and you station your soldiers there.

==[[Ice]] tower==
'''Difficulty:''' Low. You need to be on a freezing map to pull it off.

'''Usefulness:''' None.

==[[Obsidian]] factory==
You need one reservoir of water, and one of magma. Mix, cool and mine.

'''Difficulty:''' Medium.

'''Usefulness:''' High.

==Drowning Chamber==
'''Difficulty:''' Moderate.

'''Usefulness:''' You can kill prisoners, useless peasants, irate nobles, hammerers, untrainable animals, or anything else.

==Magma Chamber==
'''Difficulty:''' Dangerous as any magma project.

'''Usefulness:''' It's like a drowning chamber, but you can't recover most of the victim's stuff.

==Labyrinth==
'''Difficulty:''' It's a lot of mining. Having a bridge drop invaders inside is more difficult, but more useful.

'''Usefulness:''' It makes a nice element of fortress defense, and you can dump your prisoners inside it.

==[[Adventure Mode]] Fortress==
'''Difficulty:''' The sky's the limit.

'''Usefulness:''' Not applicable.

==Vomitorium==
It's like the greenhouse, only instead of a farm, it's meeting hall. Prevents [[cave adaption]].

'''Difficulty:''' Low.

'''Usefulness:''' Low.

==Pit o' Doom==
Combine with an Execution Tower for maximum z-level executions! Spike traps are a must.

'''Difficulty:''' Low. You want it nice and deep though.

'''Usefulness:''' Dispose of prisoners, execute nobles, gruesome fatal injuries, laugh maniacally.

==Underground Perpetual Motion Power Plant==
Combine with a use for the power and you either have an awesome setup, or a ticking time bomb.

'''Difficulty:''' High. Maintaining the correct water level is annoying difficult at times.

'''Usefulness:''' Depends on size of plant and what it's connected to. Also useful as a puzzle for adventurers.

40d:Lever

2008-09-27T04:30:02Z

Sukasa:

'''A lever''' is a device that can be linked to other devices to control them through it's {{k|q}} menu once the controlled device is constructed. It needs one [[mechanism]] to be constructed (if you have a mechanism, you can build the lever with {{k|b}}{{k|T}}{{k|l}}). A lever is pulled through its {{k|q}} menu with {{k|a}}{{k|P}}. A nearby [[dwarf]] will then pull it. [[Pressure plate]]s are like levers, but are activated automatically by [[creatures]] stepping on it. Levers, when linked to objects, will never require more than two mechanisms, and will always be able to activate the linked objects across even the longest map with ease.

Levers normally have an 'on' and a 'off' state. Upon being flipped, everything they're connected to updates to the lever's new state. This becomes important if you have several levers attached to the same building. Note, however, that gearboxes are an important exception to this: Instead of On/Off triggers, they simply ''toggle''. It is unknown at this time if this behaviour extends to pressure pads and gearboxes, but this mechanic would suspect so.

Several devices, such as [[floodgate]]s and [[bridge]]s, have a delayed response to all incoming signals, and will not respond to subsequent signals until the first has taken effect. For instance, if you pull a lever attached to a floodgate on then off in rapid succession, the floodgate will only respond to the 'on' (open) signal.

Objects that can be controlled by levers include:

=== Multiple Uses ===

* [[Bridge]] – Bridges have a delay of 100 steps when the lever is pulled.
** '''On:''' Turns the bridge into either a raised drawbridge, or a retracted bridge, depending on which option was chosen when the the bridge was constructed.
** '''Off:''' Returns the bridge to normal.

* [[Door]] – Note that once you connect a door, it is either completely open or locked. There is no "closed, but can be opened by a dwarf" state anymore.
** '''On:''' Opens the door.
** '''Off:''' Closes the door.

* [[Floodgate]] – After the lever is installed, it works exactly like a door. Floodgates, however, have a 100 tick delay. Therefore, it is more logical to use doors, at least until doors aren't usable for holding back water.
** '''On:''' Opens the floodgate.
** '''Off:''' Closes the floodgate.

* [[Floor hatch|Hatch]] – When open it just disappears and allows water through. Note that, like doors, once you connect a hatch, it is either completely open or locked.
** '''On:''' Opens the hatch.
** '''Off:''' Closes the hatch.

* [[Grate]] – When it is open, it just disappears. Water goes through it just the same, but it cannot be walked on anymore. Anybody on it will fall.
** '''On:''' Opens the grate.
** '''Off:''' Closes the grate.

* [[Bars]] – When it is open, it just disappears. Water goes through it just the same, but it cannot be walked on anymore. Anybody on it will fall.
** '''On:''' Opens the bars.
** '''Off:''' Closes the bars.

* [[Trap|Upright Spear/Spikes]]
** '''On:''' Retracts spears/spikes.
** '''Off:''' Extends spears/spikes.

* [[Gear assembly]] – When it is disengaged, no power goes through it and anything that is being kept up by its presence (like a [[windmill]] right on top of it) falls down.
** '''On:''' Disengages the gear assembly.
** '''Off:''' Engages the gear assembly.

=== One-Shot ===

* [[Cage]]/[[Restraint]] – Opens the cage/[[chain]]/[[rope]] and releases whatever it held. This is permanent and you will have to reinstall and relink the cages/restraints after one use. You recover the [[mechanism]] used in the cage/restraint but you do not recover the mechanism used in the lever.

* [[Support]] – Deconstructs the support, except without a dwarf next to it. Most commonly used to cause [[cave-in]]s.

== Computing ==

Elaborate combinations of levers (or pressure plates) and other objects can be used to create mechanical systems that can perform various forms of [[computing]].

{{Buildings}}
[[Category:Buildings]][[Category:Physics]]

40d Talk:Mechanical logic

2008-09-19T00:54:10Z

Sukasa: /* Using Logic Output */

This should be merged into [[computing]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:28, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I made it as a separate article because it seemed rather large, and I wanted to avoid swamping the computing thread, which covers all kinds of computing, with a massive amount of mechanical-only stuff. Perhaps this page should be linked to by computing, instead? --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Also, the diagrams aren't clear. I suggest using {{[[template:RT|RT]]}} or {{[[template:qd|qd]]}}. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:30, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I'll do that, thanks. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Diagram Colour ==

okay, just to maintain a clear colour scheme for anyone else who's making a Qd version of the diagrams...

The Three primary colours are either for the first three inputs, or two inputs and the output if there are few enough inputs.
The Three two-colour combinations (Purple, Yellow, and Teal) are for the next three inputs, or outputs.
White or greyscale colours should be avoided, as they are too similar to the rest of the diagram.

heh, I know these are somewhat hard-to-read, and for the adder, there aren't enough colours, but if for everything else we try and follow this, it should make it a little easier to read. Lastly, in the memory logic devices, just colour D as if it were an input. thanks to anyone who helps :D --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:IMO, It would be easier on you (for making the diagrams) and easier on others (for reading the diagrams) to leave them uncolored. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
::FWIW, I think the diagrams are pretty much incomprehensible at the moment; I think colour would help. --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:29, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
:Also, I think the diagrams would be much clearer if the graphics were presented as closely as possible to game graphics - using a lowercase o for an unlinked gearbox is very confusing. In fact, I think your OR gate is an AND gate and vice versa. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:49, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

::The problem, then, however, is that for some of the more complicated gates, and definitely for the memory gates, that it becomes very difficult to know which gearboxes are supposed to be linked to, and which ones are supposed to sit there and spin when powered.
::Also, heh, I know those are confusing. The gates themselves operate on a sort of backwards logic, so even I find it easiest just to look at it and say "okay, I figured this out a while ago. just use the gate, that'll be easiest to think with"--[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Not gates ==

Since this article makes no mention of a machine-logic way to create a NOT gate, I don't think it is worth mentioning any of the machine derivatives of NOT gates either. The only NOT gate provided is a water logic gate, which is described on SL's water logic page. It's also trivial enough to set up a NOT gate before an input to make an AND NOT, a NAND, or a NOR using a normal gate coupled with a NOT that those aren't worth mentioning with or without a machine logic NOT gate available. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:54, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:"NOT or BUFFER" is listed down slightly, unless you mean before the article was merged >_> --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:05, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Clocked Logic ==

We could use some more Clocked Logic designs, since there aren't very many right now. Anybody up for designing a few?--[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:15, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Using Logic Output ==

Is there currently any way to use the result of a circuit for anything useful? It seems to me that we ought to lobby Toady for something like a powered switch. It could consume something like 5 power or so and toggle whenever the it gained/lost power.[[User:Ricree|Ricree]] 13:02, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

No, currently all it outputs is raw axle power; however the 'rotation sensor' or the makeshift one would be able to convert the rotational power to a lever trigger, either directly, or via a pressure pad.

40d Talk:Mechanical logic

2008-07-07T03:15:46Z

Sukasa: Clocked Logic

This should be merged into [[computing]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:28, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I made it as a separate article because it seemed rather large, and I wanted to avoid swamping the computing thread, which covers all kinds of computing, with a massive amount of mechanical-only stuff. Perhaps this page should be linked to by computing, instead? --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Also, the diagrams aren't clear. I suggest using {{[[template:RT|RT]]}} or {{[[template:qd|qd]]}}. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:30, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I'll do that, thanks. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Diagram Colour ==

okay, just to maintain a clear colour scheme for anyone else who's making a Qd version of the diagrams...

The Three primary colours are either for the first three inputs, or two inputs and the output if there are few enough inputs.
The Three two-colour combinations (Purple, Yellow, and Teal) are for the next three inputs, or outputs.
White or greyscale colours should be avoided, as they are too similar to the rest of the diagram.

heh, I know these are somewhat hard-to-read, and for the adder, there aren't enough colours, but if for everything else we try and follow this, it should make it a little easier to read. Lastly, in the memory logic devices, just colour D as if it were an input. thanks to anyone who helps :D --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:IMO, It would be easier on you (for making the diagrams) and easier on others (for reading the diagrams) to leave them uncolored. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:Also, I think the diagrams would be much clearer if the graphics were presented as closely as possible to game graphics - using a lowercase o for an unlinked gearbox is very confusing. In fact, I think your OR gate is an AND gate and vice versa. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:49, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

::The problem, then, however, is that for some of the more complicated gates, and definitely for the memory gates, that it becomes very difficult to know which gearboxes are supposed to be linked to, and which ones are supposed to sit there and spin when powered.
::Also, heh, I know those are confusing. The gates themselves operate on a sort of backwards logic, so even I find it easiest just to look at it and say "okay, I figured this out a while ago. just use the gate, that'll be easiest to think with"--[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Not gates ==

Since this article makes no mention of a machine-logic way to create a NOT gate, I don't think it is worth mentioning any of the machine derivatives of NOT gates either. The only NOT gate provided is a water logic gate, which is described on SL's water logic page. It's also trivial enough to set up a NOT gate before an input to make an AND NOT, a NAND, or a NOR using a normal gate coupled with a NOT that those aren't worth mentioning with or without a machine logic NOT gate available. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:54, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:"NOT or BUFFER" is listed down slightly, unless you mean before the article was merged >_> --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:05, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Clocked Logic ==

We could use some more Clocked Logic designs, since there aren't very many right now. Anybody up for designing a few?--[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:15, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-07T03:10:51Z

Sukasa:

Machine logic uses the also new system of gears, axles, windmills, and waterwheels to solve problems. Power sources (windmills and waterwheels) transfer power to machine parts (axles and gears). If there is not enough power in a system to allow all the parts to move, it will shut down entirely. Individual gears can also be shut down by levers to interrupt or otherwise alter the transfer of power throughout the machine. All sorts of logic gates can be created based on those rules alone. Currently four have been created in a proof-of-concept sort of way in a relatively quick and cheap manner:

[[Image:Logic.gif]]

In the above picture, the four basic logic operations are shown. Gears connected to outside power are circled in red. Gears that can be deactivated by lever are color-coded to the lever that deactivates them. For the purposes of binary logic, a lever is '''TRUE''' if it is pointing '''LEFT'''. Levers pointing '''RIGHT''' are '''FALSE'''.

In AND, two adjacent gears are connected to levers. Power is only transferred to the one-tile output axle if both levers are set to true.

In OR, two power sources are connected to an output gear and axle. If either lever is set to true, the axle will be connected to power and also be true.

In XOR, 40 units of power are transferred to a central gear. To power the output axle, it must be connected to it by switching one of the levers to true. However, if both levers are set to true, then the machine requires 42 units of power to run, and thus shuts down due to lack of power.

in NOT, there is a powered gear connected directly to the output axle. If the lever is set to true, the powered gear connects to 3 other unpowered gears, which causes the machine to shut down due to lack of power.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power. Unlike the above examples, these designs require constant power, or they will not function correctly.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].
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The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

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|.|.|{{qd/ch{{!}}A{{!}}F00}}|{{qd/ch{{!}}B{{!}}0F0}}|.|.|.}}

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
**
|MZM O
o-*o
P--*C

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

===Flip-Flop===
Oscillates between high and Low on Clk

O !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

!XClk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O !Clk
P

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

===Adder===
1-bit w/ full carry
A, B are bits in. C is Carry in, O is bit out

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M X

X !X
→o*o→M V →o*o→M U
o*o o*o
C !C

VU C
→**M O →o*oM W
o*o
Z

→**→ Carry (Out)
ZW

[[Category:Guides]]

40d Talk:Mechanical logic

2008-07-07T03:05:19Z

Sukasa: /* Not gates */

This should be merged into [[computing]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:28, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I made it as a separate article because it seemed rather large, and I wanted to avoid swamping the computing thread, which covers all kinds of computing, with a massive amount of mechanical-only stuff. Perhaps this page should be linked to by computing, instead? --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Also, the diagrams aren't clear. I suggest using {{[[template:RT|RT]]}} or {{[[template:qd|qd]]}}. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:30, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I'll do that, thanks. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Diagram Colour ==

okay, just to maintain a clear colour scheme for anyone else who's making a Qd version of the diagrams...

The Three primary colours are either for the first three inputs, or two inputs and the output if there are few enough inputs.
The Three two-colour combinations (Purple, Yellow, and Teal) are for the next three inputs, or outputs.
White or greyscale colours should be avoided, as they are too similar to the rest of the diagram.

heh, I know these are somewhat hard-to-read, and for the adder, there aren't enough colours, but if for everything else we try and follow this, it should make it a little easier to read. Lastly, in the memory logic devices, just colour D as if it were an input. thanks to anyone who helps :D --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:IMO, It would be easier on you (for making the diagrams) and easier on others (for reading the diagrams) to leave them uncolored. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:Also, I think the diagrams would be much clearer if the graphics were presented as closely as possible to game graphics - using a lowercase o for an unlinked gearbox is very confusing. In fact, I think your OR gate is an AND gate and vice versa. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:49, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

::The problem, then, however, is that for some of the more complicated gates, and definitely for the memory gates, that it becomes very difficult to know which gearboxes are supposed to be linked to, and which ones are supposed to sit there and spin when powered.
::Also, heh, I know those are confusing. The gates themselves operate on a sort of backwards logic, so even I find it easiest just to look at it and say "okay, I figured this out a while ago. just use the gate, that'll be easiest to think with"--[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Not gates ==

Since this article makes no mention of a machine-logic way to create a NOT gate, I don't think it is worth mentioning any of the machine derivatives of NOT gates either. The only NOT gate provided is a water logic gate, which is described on SL's water logic page. It's also trivial enough to set up a NOT gate before an input to make an AND NOT, a NAND, or a NOR using a normal gate coupled with a NOT that those aren't worth mentioning with or without a machine logic NOT gate available. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:54, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:"NOT or BUFFER" is listed down slightly, unless you mean before the article was merged >_> --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:05, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Mechanical logic

2008-07-07T03:04:26Z

Sukasa: /* Diagram Colour */

This should be merged into [[computing]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:28, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I made it as a separate article because it seemed rather large, and I wanted to avoid swamping the computing thread, which covers all kinds of computing, with a massive amount of mechanical-only stuff. Perhaps this page should be linked to by computing, instead? --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Also, the diagrams aren't clear. I suggest using {{[[template:RT|RT]]}} or {{[[template:qd|qd]]}}. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:30, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I'll do that, thanks. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:35, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Diagram Colour ==

okay, just to maintain a clear colour scheme for anyone else who's making a Qd version of the diagrams...

The Three primary colours are either for the first three inputs, or two inputs and the output if there are few enough inputs.
The Three two-colour combinations (Purple, Yellow, and Teal) are for the next three inputs, or outputs.
White or greyscale colours should be avoided, as they are too similar to the rest of the diagram.

heh, I know these are somewhat hard-to-read, and for the adder, there aren't enough colours, but if for everything else we try and follow this, it should make it a little easier to read. Lastly, in the memory logic devices, just colour D as if it were an input. thanks to anyone who helps :D --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 18:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:IMO, It would be easier on you (for making the diagrams) and easier on others (for reading the diagrams) to leave them uncolored. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:Also, I think the diagrams would be much clearer if the graphics were presented as closely as possible to game graphics - using a lowercase o for an unlinked gearbox is very confusing. In fact, I think your OR gate is an AND gate and vice versa. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:49, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

::The problem, then, however, is that for some of the more complicated gates, and definitely for the memory gates, that it becomes very difficult to know which gearboxes are supposed to be linked to, and which ones are supposed to sit there and spin when powered.
::Also, heh, I know those are confusing. The gates themselves operate on a sort of backwards logic, so even I find it easiest just to look at it and say "okay, I figured this out a while ago. just use the gate, that'll be easiest to think with"--[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Not gates ==

Since this article makes no mention of a machine-logic way to create a NOT gate, I don't think it is worth mentioning any of the machine derivatives of NOT gates either. The only NOT gate provided is a water logic gate, which is described on SL's water logic page. It's also trivial enough to set up a NOT gate before an input to make an AND NOT, a NAND, or a NOR using a normal gate coupled with a NOT that those aren't worth mentioning with or without a machine logic NOT gate available. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:54, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Mechanical logic

2008-07-04T22:52:26Z

Sukasa: Diagram Colour

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-04T22:48:50Z

Sukasa: Begun changing over the diagrams to template Qd. check discussion for colouring schemes

Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].
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The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

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|→|{{qd/ch{{!}}*{{!}}F00}}|{{qd/ch{{!}}*{{!}}0F0}}|→|{{qd/ch{{!}}M{{!}}00F}}|.|{{qd/ch{{!}}O{{!}}00F}}
|.|.|{{qd/ch{{!}}A{{!}}F00}}|{{qd/ch{{!}}B{{!}}0F0}}|.|.|.}}

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
**
|MZM O
o-*o
P--*C

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

===Flip-Flop===
Oscillates between high and Low on Clk

O !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

!XClk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O !Clk
P

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

===Adder===
1-bit w/ full carry
A, B are bits in. C is Carry in, O is bit out

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M X

X !X
→o*o→M V →o*o→M U
o*o o*o
C !C

VU C
→**M O →o*oM W
o*o
Z

→**→ Carry (Out)
ZW

[[Category:Guides]]

40d Talk:Mechanical logic

2008-07-04T22:35:43Z

Sukasa:

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-02T08:11:46Z

Sukasa: /* Flip-Flop */

Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].

XXXXXXX
X.%>^.X
XXXX^XX
XXX

The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

→**→M O
AB

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
**
|MZM O
o-*o
P--*C

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

===Flip-Flop===
Oscillates between high and Low on Clk

O !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

!XClk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O !Clk
P

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

===Adder===
1-bit w/ full carry
A, B are bits in. C is Carry in, O is bit out

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M X

X !X
→o*o→M V →o*o→M U
o*o o*o
C !C

VU C
→**M O →o*oM W
o*o
Z

→**→ Carry (Out)
ZW

[[Category:Guides]]

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-02T08:11:25Z

Sukasa: Added two new gates, one of which is untested (but should hopefully work if tried)

Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].

XXXXXXX
X.%>^.X
XXXX^XX
XXX

The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

→**→M O
AB

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
**
|MZM O
o-*o
P--*C

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

===Flip-Flop===
Oscillates between high and Low on Clk

O !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

!XClk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O !Clk
P

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

===Adder===
1-bit w/ full carry
A, B are bits in. C is Carry in, O is bit out

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M X

X !X
→o*o→M V →o*o→M U
o*o o*o
C !C

VU C
→**M O →o*oM W
o*o
Z

→**→ Carry (Out)
ZW

[[Category:Guides]]

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-02T06:16:07Z

Sukasa: /* Type A */

Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].

XXXXXXX
X.%>^.X
XXXX^XX
XXX

The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

→**→M O
AB

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
**
|MZM O
o-*o
P--*C

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

[[Category:Guides]]

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-02T06:14:28Z

Sukasa: /* (AND-NOT) OR */

Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].

XXXXXXX
X.%>^.X
XXXX^XX
XXX

The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

→**→M O
AB

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
**
|MZM O
o-*o
P--*C

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
----

**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

[[Category:Guides]]

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-02T02:08:13Z

Sukasa:

Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].

XXXXXXX
X.%>^.X
XXXX^XX
XXX

The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

→**→M O
AB

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
** **
|MZM O |M M
o-*o *=**
P--*C *==*

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
----

**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

[[Category:Guides]]

Template:Buildings

2008-07-02T02:07:51Z

Sukasa:

<center>
{| class="collapsible collapsed infobox" style="background-color: #f9f9f9; border: 1px solid #aaa; font-size: 90%; margin: 1em 0em 0em; padding: 2px; text-align: center; width: 60%;"
! colspan="2" style="border: 1px solid #aaa; font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Buildings
|-
| colspan=2 | [[Workshops]] - [[Furnaces]]
|-
| colspan=2 | <hr>
|-
| style="font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | [[:Category:Rooms|Rooms]]'''
| [[Barracks]] - [[Bedroom]] - [[Dining room]] - [[Jail]] - [[Meeting hall]] - [[Office]] - [[Sculpture garden]] - [[Tomb]] - [[Zoo]]
|-
| style="font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | [[:Category:Furniture|Furniture]]
| [[Animal trap]] - [[Anvil]] - [[Armor stand]] - [[Bed]] - [[Bin]] - [[Bucket]] - [[Cabinet]] - [[Cage]] - [[Coffin]] - [[Container]] - [[Restraint]] - [[Seat]] - [[Statue]] - [[Table]] - [[Weapon rack]]
|-
| colspan=2 | <hr>
|-
| style="font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Access
| [[Door]] - [[Floodgate]] - [[Bars]] - [[Grate]] - [[Floor hatch]] - [[Bridge]] - [[Road]] - [[Window]]
|-
| style="font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Constructions
| [[Fortification]] - [[Floor]] - [[Stairs]] - [[Ramp]] - [[Wall]]
|-
| style="font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Mechanical & Trap
| [[Axle]] - [[Gear assembly]] - [[Millstone]] - [[Screw pump]] - [[Water wheel]] - [[Windmill]] [[Lever]] - [[Pressure plate]] - [[Trap]] - [[Support]]
|-
| style="font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | [[:Category:Buildings|Other Buildings]]
| [[Archery target]] - [[Kennel]] - [[Shop]] - [[Siege engine]] - [[Trade depot]] - [[Wagon]] - [[Well]]
|-
| style="font-weight:bold; background-color: #ccf; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Related Articles
| [[Architecture]] - [[Bedroom design]] - [[Cave-in]] - [[Computing]] - [[User:SL/Logic_Gates|Logic Gates]] - [[Mechanical Logic]] - [[Furniture industry]]

|}
</center>
<noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude>

40d:Mechanical logic

2008-07-02T02:05:06Z

Sukasa: New page: Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format. ==Mechanical Logic== Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Comput...

Article Note: This is a file dump from a TI-89 Calculator that has been converted to Wiki format.

==Mechanical Logic==
Mechanical Logic is a faster, more reliable replacement for [[Computing|Water Logic]]. It is also somewhat more complex, requiring massive amounts of wood, stone, and mechanical power.

The following examples operate on these design rules

* Systems use Binary Logic
* Logic High is defined as an '''Unpowered''' axle.
* Logic Low is defined as a '''Powered''' Axle.
* Gearboxes, when supplied a Trigger High, thusly begin to transmit a Logic High signal

Note that there are several flaws with Mechanical Logic. As noted, large amounts of wood, stone, and massive amounts of power are required. Secondly, the system operates on the concept of the 'rotation sensor' Obviously, this does not exist in Dwarf Fortress at this time, and there are no plans for such a device to exist- therefore, a surrogate unit is required.

Now, there is one device we can use- a pressure pad. Therefore, we simply need to convert mechanical energy into pressure- for example, using a [[Screw Pump]].

XXXXXXX
X.%>^.X
XXXX^XX
XXX

The pump draws from a constantly-filled tile on the left, and pushes left. The pressure pad there then acts as the 'sensor' for whether there is rotation present. Finally, the pit on the right acts as a drain- when the pump stops, the water drains out and the pad resets (no rotation). The lower pad shown is used as an 'inverse' out.

Note that in all the examples, "M" is used to denote a rotation sensor- just affix a gearbox instead and route that to one of these units, "P" is used just to say where Power is supposed to be applied (though not all of these have P where it should be), and "X", "Y", and "Z" are just to show that in a multi-part logic gate, which 'sensor' links to which gearbox internally. "o" is a gearbox that does not have any trigger connections, and is used for visual clarity.

==Unclocked Logic==

===(N)OR Gate===

→**→M O
AB

===(N)AND Gate===

A
→o*o→M O
o*o
B

===(In)equal===
When Input A != Input B, O goes LOW. Invert Y and Z to change this

A !A
→o*o→M Z →o*o→M Y
o*o o*o
B !B

YZ
→**M O

===AND NOT===
When A is HIGH and B is LOW, O goes HIGH

A
→o*oM O
o*o
!B

===NOT or BUFFER===

→*→M O
A

===SELECT===
[A?B:C]
O will be either B is A is HIGH, or C otherwise. In other words, IF-THEN-ELSE

B!A
→*
o→M O
→*
CA

===DISTRIBUTOR===
Passes D to the selected output (selected via A) and a logic HIGH to the other. Remove * lines to output a logic LOW instead.

A
*P--*!A
P*o*o---→O0
Do--*o-→O1
*P----*A
!A

===S/R LATCH===
P = Power
S = Set
R = Reset

!RS
P→o*o*M O
o*o
O

===OSCILLATOR===

→*M O
!O

===(AND-NOT) OR===
A & Z are actually
inverted, just not shown.

AB
** **
|MZM O |M M
o-*o *=**
P--*C *==*

==Clocked Logic==

===D-LATCH===
When Clk is HIGH, O will output A
When Clk is LOW, O will output whatever A was when Clk went LOW

A !Clk
*-*oM O
o*-*
↑O Clk
P

===Select - Hold Choice===
This is basically a clocked SELECT gate- it acts like a normal Select, but only while Clk is high. Then Clk is low, it outputs whatever the last selected output was when CLK was last HIGH.
A
P→**!Clk
oM Z
P→**Clk
Z

B!Z
P→*
o→M O
P→*
CZ

===SELECT-HOLDALL===
This is like the above, but it also holds the last values of B and C as well.

B !Clk
*-*oM X
o*-*
↑X Clk
P

C !Clk
*-*oM Y
o*-*
↑Y Clk
P

PA!Clk
→**
oM Z
→**
PZClk

X!Z
→*
o→M O
→*
YZ

==Complex Logic Gates==

===MEMORY CELL===
====Type A====
R = Read Input
W = Write Input
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)

ZW
**
↑oM Z
*!W
Do↓P
----

**
!RZ

====Type B====
R = Read
W = Write
High (Off) is R/W
D = Data line (I/O)
A = Cell Active (Enable Chip)

Z
*oo
↑**WA
Poo
oM Z
*!W
*!A
Do
*!A
**←P
!RZ

User talk:SL/Logic Gates

2008-04-06T03:07:57Z

Sukasa: /* The Repeater */

== The Repeater ==

Actually there ARE faster versions of this - that's 2 or more desynchronized repeaters. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 05:33, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Can anyone else get the repeater to work without using masterpiece mechanisms in the pressure plates? I can't, so I'm assuming you need masterpiece mechanisms. Too bad I don't have a mechanic capable of that yet >_< --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:07, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Screw pump/archive1

2007-11-01T00:52:32Z

Sukasa:

I made some mockups of east-to-west pumps using Unicode characters, but we should really get some full-fledged graphical examples. --[[User:JT|JT]] 07:47, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Is it essential that the rear of the pump be adjacent to an open square over liquid? I need to do some tests of that, I had assumed from my testing it was sufficient to have the pump just over liquid (so for example, have the rear square on a ramp into a lake) [[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 13:50, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

The rear end doesnt need to be over an open space it can be pumped straight out onto the ground. Fixing that now.--[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 20:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Uh, I found that when building a screw pump on open ground, above a mined-out section filled with 7 waters ont he floor below, nothing pumped through until I dug an 'Open Space' next to the pump handle. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 20:52, 31 October 2007 (EDT)