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v0.31 Talk:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T21:09:56Z

Turkwise: /* Metalsmith */

== Metalsmith ==

This page seems to be wrong. The skill is actually "Metalsmith" in game. There is no "Blacksmith" skill in DF2010 -- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 20:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:It was probably put on a separate page in order to distinguish it from the Metalsmith '''profession'''. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:01, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::I think part of the problem stems from the game itself; Blacksmithing is a term used in the labor page, but apparently nowhere else. -- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 21:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

v0.31:Blacksmith

2010-09-03T21:01:30Z

Turkwise:

{{Quality|Exceptional|00:23, 12 June 2010 (UTC)}}
{{Skill
| color = 0:1
| skill = Metalsmith
| specialty = Blacksmith
| profession = {{L|Metalsmith}}
| job name = Blacksmithing
| tasks =
* Construct {{L|furniture}}
* Construct {{L|cage}}
* Construct {{L|bucket}}
* Construct {{L|bin}}
* Construct {{L|barrel}}
* Construct {{L|pipe section}}
* Construct {{L|anvil}}
* Build metal {{L|building}}s
| workshop =
* {{L|Metalsmith's forge}}
* {{L|Magma forge}}}}
{{av}}

Blacksmithing is a {{L|labor}} found under {{L|Metalsmithing}} in a dwarf's preference page. It corresponds with the {{L|metalsmith}} {{L|skill}}, which is used to make {{L|furniture}}, {{L|bucket}}s, {{L|bin}}s, {{L|block}}s, {{L|cage}}s, and {{L|anvil}}s at a {{L|metalsmith's forge}}. (Despite their being under the "furniture" menu of a forge, {{L|chain}}s are made by {{L|metal crafter}}s, and {{L|animal trap}}s are made by {{L|trapper}}s).

{{Skills}}
{{Category|Professions}}

v0.31:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:55:55Z

Turkwise: Updating to reflect changes in the new version - mostly naming changes

{{Quality|Exceptional|23:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)}}
{{av}}
'''Metalsmithing''' is a category profession. It contains skills relating to the {{L|smelting}} of {{L|metal}}s and {{L|alloy}}s and the crafting of various metal products.

An adult {{L|dwarf}} whose best {{L|skill}} is in this category, and who has accumulated ranks in other metalsmithing skills (exactly how much is not clear) will be known as a metalsmith.

Once he has achieved 'grand master' skill in one of these skills, but not in the others, he will be known by this skill.

If a dwarf has {{L|experience}} in only one metalsmithing skill, he will be known by his or her highest skill.

The metalsmithing skills are:
{{Skill Box|Metalsmithing|0:1|0:1|
* {{L|Armorsmith}}
* {{L|Furnace operator}}
* {{L|Metal crafter}}
* {{L|Metalsmith}}
* {{L|Weaponsmith}}
}}

;See also:
:* {{L|Metalsmith's forge}}
:* {{L|Blacksmith}}
{{skills}}

{{Category|Professions}}

v0.31:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:53:11Z

Turkwise: moved DF2010:Metalsmith to DF2010:Metalsmithing over redirect: Metalsmith is a skill. Metalsmithing is the labor category. Blacksmithing does not exist.

{{Quality|Exceptional|23:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)}}
{{av}}
'''Metalsmith''' is a category profession. It contains skills relating to the {{L|smelting}} of {{L|metal}}s and {{L|alloy}}s and the crafting of various metal products. Confusingly, the 'metalsmith' skill is available for purchase prior to embarking. This skill actually correlates to {{L|Blacksmith|Blacksmithing}}.

An adult {{L|dwarf}} whose best {{L|skill}} is in this category, and who has accumulated ranks in other metalsmithing skills (exactly how much is not clear) will be known as a metalsmith.

Once he has achieved 'grand master' skill in one of these skills, but not in the others, he will be known by this skill.

If a dwarf has {{L|experience}} in only one metalsmith skill, he will be known by his or her highest skill.

The metalsmith skills are:
{{Skill Box|Metalsmith|0:1|0:1|
* {{L|Armorsmith}}
* {{L|Furnace operator}}
* {{L|Metal crafter}}
* {{L|Blacksmith}}
* {{L|Weaponsmith}}
}}

;See also:
:* {{L|Metalsmith's forge}}
:* {{L|Blacksmith}}
{{skills}}

{{Category|Professions}}

v0.31 Talk:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:39:23Z

Turkwise: /* Metalsmith */

== Metalsmith ==

This page seems to be wrong. The skill is actually "Metalsmith" in game. There is no "Blacksmith" skill in DF2010 -- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 20:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:38:57Z

Turkwise:

== Metalsmith ==

This page seems to be wrong. The skill is actually "Metalsmith" in game. -- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 20:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:35:25Z

Turkwise: /* Metalsmith */ new section

== Metalsmith ==

This page seems to be wrong. The skill is actually "Metalsmith" in game.

== Metalsmith ==

This page seems to be wrong. The skill is actually "Metalsmith" in game. -- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 20:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:34:18Z

Turkwise: /* Metalsmith */ new section

== Metalsmith ==

This page seems to be wrong. The skill is actually "Metalsmith" in game.

v0.31 Talk:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:33:46Z

Turkwise: Blanked the page

v0.31 Talk:Metalsmith

2010-09-03T20:33:29Z

Turkwise: Created page with 'This skill is misnamed in the wiki, apparently. My "blacksmiths" are "Metalsmiths" in-game.'

This skill is misnamed in the wiki, apparently. My "blacksmiths" are "Metalsmiths" in-game.

v0.31:Cave wheat

2010-08-29T08:37:44Z

Turkwise: Added a little more info - hopefully 40d grow times still apply

{{quality|Exceptional|09:17, 9 June 2010 (UTC)}}{{Crop|color=7:0:1|seed_color=6:0:0|character=τ|name=Cave wheat
|cookable=If milled
|alcohol={{L|Dwarven beer}}
|summer=1|autumn=1
|habitat=Subterranean
|uses=
* {{L|Food}}
* {{L|Alcohol}}
|other_products=
* {{L|Flour|Dwarven wheat flour}} (Mill)}}
{{av}}

'''Cave wheat''' is an {{L|underground}} {{L|crop}}. It can either be {{L|milling|milled}} into {{L|flour|Dwarven wheat flour}} or {{L|brewing|brewed}} into {{L|Dwarven beer}}.

Cave wheat {{L|seed|seeds}} can be brought as an {{L|embark}} item and imported from {{L|Trading|dwarven caravans}}. They are planted in the summer or autumn seasons and require about 42 days to grow.

{{gamedata}}
{{Plants}}

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation

2010-04-28T02:09:46Z

Turkwise:

== From [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Centralized Discussion|DFW:Centralized Discussion]] ==
:Will any articles be pruned away or merged? In the jump from 40D to v31 a lot of articles that used to be served well by tables seem to have become their own articles, which really clutters the place up and scatters information all over unfindably. Stones, ores, and gems are the most obvious, they really only need three tables instead of hundreds of articles. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 19:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Gems are definitely going to have to be consolidated into their own article. Ores and other valuable stones have too much relevant information to stuff in a table, although the worthless stuff like microcline or slate should definitely be relegated to Table Land (presumably we'd have a Stones page, with extra pages for stuff like obsidian or hematite). I think following the example of articles from 40d is a good idea. -- 114.77.43.223
:::What is there to know about Hematite except what it makes and where it's found? What makes it so useful is the metal, which is better described in the Iron page. Seems perfect for a table to me, alongside the myriad other ores that get mined and smelted exactly the same way. Obsidian on the other hand has a fairly unique property that wouldn't be well-described in the valuable stones table alone. --[[Special:Contributions/71.17.242.69|71.17.242.69]] 06:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree that ores/stones/gems should be in combined articles. I think I could work on something like this today. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:Minerals having their own pages is fine with me. There's a bit of information that can be included on the odd page as well as values, pictures and a wikipedia link. Time is better spent elsewhere. One area that could use some looking into is which material is best for each weapon on the weapons article. It currently doesn't have any information on this at all. [[User:Richards|Richards]] 16:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::What are minerals? *SCNR* --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 19:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::The "best material" thing is likely to be in flux for some time until Toady gets the damage calculations and so on working. Eventually I'd expect to see something like this in the weapon articles though, naturally. [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 12:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Generally I don't think "stubs" are a bad thing. Fish cleaner, fishery and fish cleaning may be put in one article+2 redirects, but there are other topics where there is not much to say, and that's just fine, too. With barely 1000 articles it is also rather silly to talk of clutter. How does Wikipedia manage then? Making ''additional'' guides and summarizations is of course useful (and linking to them).
::Stubs that stay stubs are a bad thing. They bury searches in useless results. Wikipedia does not have the problem of filling in hundreds of EMPTY articles following a premade structure that may no longer be relevant or even sensible. And if they're staying stubs, really, they don't deserve a page. --[[Special:Contributions/71.17.241.117|71.17.241.117]] 01:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Er, that was me. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 01:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure why microcline should have it's own article..actually, it should. What I - and a lot of players? - like to do is dig down, find a new stone, look it up. Not just if it's valuable, but also in what layers it appears and if its worth to dig through it into the base layer that may contain interesting or specific stuff. So even when i see that microcline really is everywhere i may decide to not dig on there when I'm looking for, say, platinum. In any case I didn't like the way the table for "generic" stone was organized in the 40d space. As for gems I think we should have both. An article for every gem so i can just check it's value when I find it (before I mine it) without needing the browser search function to find it in a pages-long table, but a table too so we have a central place where one can compare gems with each other. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 19:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:A table would accomplish all that a lot better than an eternally empty stub or a fancy illustration of microcline would. Why couldn't it have a column for value? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 01:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'd also add that when you did a search for, say, Diamond, it would bring you to /whatever/page#Diamond but for some reason not forward you to Diamond in the page. That could probably be fixed, so the search would work for you too. --[[Special:Contributions/71.17.241.117|71.17.241.117]] 03:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That'll be because there's no heading "Diamond" on the Gem page, so the #Diamond part of the URL is effectively discarded. It'd be great if it could jump you to the right part of the table (i.e. where you end up when you hit Ctrl-F and type it in again) but I suspect that's a non-trivial job. [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 12:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::Are we clear on the definition of the word 'stub' here? If all there is to say about, say, granite is captured by the table (it's a low-value layer stone, these are its melting & boiling points, whatever) then does the fact that there isn't much text to go with it actually matter? The pictures from Commons and real-world info are nice (and don't fit into a table, though links to WP do of course) but they don't add game value to the article.
::I think I just convinced myself I ike having both pages and tables. [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 12:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

By all means, create your giant tables and combined articles. Nobody will be against more useful content. However, please don't destroy the already existing stone and gem pages. If you really want them gone, we can discuss it ''after'' you've made a suitable replacement. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
: Well of course we'd want to replace them with a more useful resource before we remove them, and I also see the potential value in having specific pages, and also table pages. So I might start working on that [[DF2010:Ore]] / [[DF2010:Gems]] / [[DF2010:Stone]] [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 13:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Lumping everything into a table just means more work for a new player to find the information they are looking for. Sure, it seems obvious to anyone that's played for more than a day that microcline is pretty but worthless, but new players shouldn't be forced to scroll through potentially confusing tables to find what they want. But big tables DO have value players both new and old, so having BOTH mega-tables and individual pages is the best solution, in my opinion. The individual pages should however have very clear links to the main stone/gem/ore/etc. pages, plus any information that may be unique to that object. Don't make it hard on newcomers just to "tidy things up" or whatever. A wiki is about getting the relevant information to the user, and if the user wants to know about microcline, it should be as simple as typing it into the box. (on an unrelated note, I apparently don't understand talk pages? why isn't mine signed like everyone elses?)
:I don't see how having the individual pages forwarding to these, quiet small really, tables would make it harder to find information. If anything it would be easier to find similar types of that item or other things in the same layer. The signature is done if you type ~ ~ ~ ~ without the spaces and is generally prefixed with a -- like so --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 14:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::You really think this [[40d:Stone]] is a good way of presenting information, especially to new players? Particularly if they just struck, um, orthoclase? Well obviously you do, and other editors too. Well, I don't. [[40d:The Non-Dwarf's Guide to Rock]] is better, but still far from clearly laid out, complete and easily digested. This is not the editors fault, it's just too much info for a table (so either info is missing or it's bloated). (I ''do'' think, though, that both articles are a valuable ''addition'' to the wiki) If I enter orthoclase, I want info on orthoclase. I don't want to read 4 pages and then find orthoclase on the 5th, if I'm patient and lucky, and ''then'' learn less than from an "empty" "stub" like [[40d:Kimberlite]]. Lets make this wiki usable for all players? --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:::2 more things:

:::1) stubs: A WP stub is an article that does not contain ''enough'' info or might not even merit an article at all. This does not apply here. The possible lemmata are very limited and this will always be a really small wiki. A lemma is relevant if it is a game term. If there is not much to say about it, then the player has already gained enough from knowing ''that''. Short articles are '''good''' if they are complete.
:::2) "clutter": Only auditors[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditors_of_Reality] even perceive that. Not users. We have all the (name-)space in the world. I can imagine topics where info can be too fragmented if an overview article is missing, but have a look at how it's not trivial to even make clear what the [[40d:Restraint]] article is actually about; chains, ropes and restraints (AKA "Huh, why have i been redirected here??"). --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Right now, when the wiki's just an empty skeleton, users can perceive the clutter quite clearly. And the bigger the skeleton, the more work there is to do. Pages can always be split out later if need be, but consolidation needs to happen now if ever. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 06:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== How about summary and individual pages? ==

So it seems like we have a lot of points about the value of individual pages, as well as the value of "combined" pages. How about then we take each article that would apply to: [[DF2010:Ore]] / [[DF2010:Gems]] / [[DF2010:Stone]] and put a single line at the top saying something to the effect of:
:''To view details on all <ore/gem/stones> see here''.
I think this gives value to users who want to look up a specific item, and also to users who want to see similar items. Thoughts? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:That seems to be the way many people, myself included, are leaning. --[[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 17:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:Though should 'Gems' not be singular for consistency? --[[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 17:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think this would be the way to go. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 20:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::Details details ;). Yes, it should. Let's wait for some more comments on this. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 01:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sold on the value of individual pages. Particularly when most of them aren't and won't ever be filled with anything but raws info, except the ones people have helpfully added spiffy pictures to. Most of the arguments '''against''' tables here are arguments against ugly table arrangements, not tables in general. If we put them in a table -- a '''good table''' with relevant information as one mineral per row, properly fast-forwarded to by the search -- it will be every bit as relevant and informative as the individual article without the search spam. Having both essentially doubles the work and threatens to make the articles go out of sync with each other. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 06:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hard to get them out of sync if the data's pulled from the raws, I'd say. As far as I can see from the stone lookup template the raws in question are being stored somewhere centrally anyhow, so they should always be equal. -- [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 09:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::If the raws are being stored centrally, there's even less reason to have the separate pages -- they perform no function but repeating data stored elsewhere. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 14:01, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

: I think, having both (table AND individual pages) would be the best solution. Reasons are the same already listed above. New players type hematite in the search and want to find infos about hematite! Looking a gigantic table with tons of info is to much for a little starting dwarf. By the way i think that all infromation about the stones can't be listed in a single table --[[User:Used|Used]] 10:05, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly. It isn't feasible to pack all of the information about every stone into one table. There isn't any danger of the pages being destroyed as long as nobody tries it while there's no good replacement for them. This is because you will never get to the point where even the creator of such a table thinks it's a good replacement. But please, carry on discussing what would be good or bad to do if you were ever handed one. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It's completely viable to pack the vast majority of stones into a table. The only relevant info for the vast majority of stones is "grey, sedimentary, sheets, melts at 13000", why have pages and pages and pages and pages and pages of this? Only the vanishingly few with any characteristics whatsoever deserve their own pages. And, for the n+1st time, finding the hematite entry in an ore table is finding perfectly good information about hematite. It's an ore that's smelted to make iron -- just like all the other ores, identical but for color, weight, layer, and melting points, are smelted to make other metals in completely identical ways. As long as the search fast-forwards properly to the anchors, all they're missing is a fancy picture of hematite. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 13:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Really, that's the one point I don't see being acknowledged by anyone else here. Ores, stones, and gems '''are''' all nearly identical, differing in a very limited number of ways. Individual pages thus add no content and make a lot more work. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 14:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If you think you can do it, my words aren't going to stop you. None of this talk is going to mean anything until (UNLESS) such an all-encompassing table has been made. Your rational choices are reduced to the following: put up or shut up. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I don't understand the argument "it's more work" when there are people who WANT to make the pages. This isn't a company, we aren't on any sort of deadline, and people contribute what they want to contribute. And if they want to contribute pages for each stone, let them. I myself was quite frustrated with the stone and gem tables when I was first starting DF.-- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 02:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation

2010-04-28T02:09:14Z

Turkwise:

== From [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Centralized Discussion|DFW:Centralized Discussion]] ==
:Will any articles be pruned away or merged? In the jump from 40D to v31 a lot of articles that used to be served well by tables seem to have become their own articles, which really clutters the place up and scatters information all over unfindably. Stones, ores, and gems are the most obvious, they really only need three tables instead of hundreds of articles. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 19:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Gems are definitely going to have to be consolidated into their own article. Ores and other valuable stones have too much relevant information to stuff in a table, although the worthless stuff like microcline or slate should definitely be relegated to Table Land (presumably we'd have a Stones page, with extra pages for stuff like obsidian or hematite). I think following the example of articles from 40d is a good idea. -- 114.77.43.223
:::What is there to know about Hematite except what it makes and where it's found? What makes it so useful is the metal, which is better described in the Iron page. Seems perfect for a table to me, alongside the myriad other ores that get mined and smelted exactly the same way. Obsidian on the other hand has a fairly unique property that wouldn't be well-described in the valuable stones table alone. --[[Special:Contributions/71.17.242.69|71.17.242.69]] 06:28, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree that ores/stones/gems should be in combined articles. I think I could work on something like this today. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:Minerals having their own pages is fine with me. There's a bit of information that can be included on the odd page as well as values, pictures and a wikipedia link. Time is better spent elsewhere. One area that could use some looking into is which material is best for each weapon on the weapons article. It currently doesn't have any information on this at all. [[User:Richards|Richards]] 16:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::What are minerals? *SCNR* --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 19:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::The "best material" thing is likely to be in flux for some time until Toady gets the damage calculations and so on working. Eventually I'd expect to see something like this in the weapon articles though, naturally. [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 12:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Generally I don't think "stubs" are a bad thing. Fish cleaner, fishery and fish cleaning may be put in one article+2 redirects, but there are other topics where there is not much to say, and that's just fine, too. With barely 1000 articles it is also rather silly to talk of clutter. How does Wikipedia manage then? Making ''additional'' guides and summarizations is of course useful (and linking to them).
::Stubs that stay stubs are a bad thing. They bury searches in useless results. Wikipedia does not have the problem of filling in hundreds of EMPTY articles following a premade structure that may no longer be relevant or even sensible. And if they're staying stubs, really, they don't deserve a page. --[[Special:Contributions/71.17.241.117|71.17.241.117]] 01:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Er, that was me. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 01:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure why microcline should have it's own article..actually, it should. What I - and a lot of players? - like to do is dig down, find a new stone, look it up. Not just if it's valuable, but also in what layers it appears and if its worth to dig through it into the base layer that may contain interesting or specific stuff. So even when i see that microcline really is everywhere i may decide to not dig on there when I'm looking for, say, platinum. In any case I didn't like the way the table for "generic" stone was organized in the 40d space. As for gems I think we should have both. An article for every gem so i can just check it's value when I find it (before I mine it) without needing the browser search function to find it in a pages-long table, but a table too so we have a central place where one can compare gems with each other. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 19:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:A table would accomplish all that a lot better than an eternally empty stub or a fancy illustration of microcline would. Why couldn't it have a column for value? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 01:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'd also add that when you did a search for, say, Diamond, it would bring you to /whatever/page#Diamond but for some reason not forward you to Diamond in the page. That could probably be fixed, so the search would work for you too. --[[Special:Contributions/71.17.241.117|71.17.241.117]] 03:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That'll be because there's no heading "Diamond" on the Gem page, so the #Diamond part of the URL is effectively discarded. It'd be great if it could jump you to the right part of the table (i.e. where you end up when you hit Ctrl-F and type it in again) but I suspect that's a non-trivial job. [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 12:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::Are we clear on the definition of the word 'stub' here? If all there is to say about, say, granite is captured by the table (it's a low-value layer stone, these are its melting & boiling points, whatever) then does the fact that there isn't much text to go with it actually matter? The pictures from Commons and real-world info are nice (and don't fit into a table, though links to WP do of course) but they don't add game value to the article.
::I think I just convinced myself I ike having both pages and tables. [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 12:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

By all means, create your giant tables and combined articles. Nobody will be against more useful content. However, please don't destroy the already existing stone and gem pages. If you really want them gone, we can discuss it ''after'' you've made a suitable replacement. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
: Well of course we'd want to replace them with a more useful resource before we remove them, and I also see the potential value in having specific pages, and also table pages. So I might start working on that [[DF2010:Ore]] / [[DF2010:Gems]] / [[DF2010:Stone]] [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 13:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Lumping everything into a table just means more work for a new player to find the information they are looking for. Sure, it seems obvious to anyone that's played for more than a day that microcline is pretty but worthless, but new players shouldn't be forced to scroll through potentially confusing tables to find what they want. But big tables DO have value players both new and old, so having BOTH mega-tables and individual pages is the best solution, in my opinion. The individual pages should however have very clear links to the main stone/gem/ore/etc. pages, plus any information that may be unique to that object. Don't make it hard on newcomers just to "tidy things up" or whatever. A wiki is about getting the relevant information to the user, and if the user wants to know about microcline, it should be as simple as typing it into the box. (on an unrelated note, I apparently don't understand talk pages? why isn't mine signed like everyone elses?)
:I don't see how having the individual pages forwarding to these, quiet small really, tables would make it harder to find information. If anything it would be easier to find similar types of that item or other things in the same layer. The signature is done if you type ~ ~ ~ ~ without the spaces and is generally prefixed with a -- like so --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 14:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::You really think this [[40d:Stone]] is a good way of presenting information, especially to new players? Particularly if they just struck, um, orthoclase? Well obviously you do, and other editors too. Well, I don't. [[40d:The Non-Dwarf's Guide to Rock]] is better, but still far from clearly laid out, complete and easily digested. This is not the editors fault, it's just too much info for a table (so either info is missing or it's bloated). (I ''do'' think, though, that both articles are a valuable ''addition'' to the wiki) If I enter orthoclase, I want info on orthoclase. I don't want to read 4 pages and then find orthoclase on the 5th, if I'm patient and lucky, and ''then'' learn less than from an "empty" "stub" like [[40d:Kimberlite]]. Lets make this wiki usable for all players? --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:::2 more things:

:::1) stubs: A WP stub is an article that does not contain ''enough'' info or might not even merit an article at all. This does not apply here. The possible lemmata are very limited and this will always be a really small wiki. A lemma is relevant if it is a game term. If there is not much to say about it, then the player has already gained enough from knowing ''that''. Short articles are '''good''' if they are complete.
:::2) "clutter": Only auditors[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditors_of_Reality] even perceive that. Not users. We have all the (name-)space in the world. I can imagine topics where info can be too fragmented if an overview article is missing, but have a look at how it's not trivial to even make clear what the [[40d:Restraint]] article is actually about; chains, ropes and restraints (AKA "Huh, why have i been redirected here??"). --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Right now, when the wiki's just an empty skeleton, users can perceive the clutter quite clearly. And the bigger the skeleton, the more work there is to do. Pages can always be split out later if need be, but consolidation needs to happen now if ever. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 06:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== How about summary and individual pages? ==

So it seems like we have a lot of points about the value of individual pages, as well as the value of "combined" pages. How about then we take each article that would apply to: [[DF2010:Ore]] / [[DF2010:Gems]] / [[DF2010:Stone]] and put a single line at the top saying something to the effect of:
:''To view details on all <ore/gem/stones> see here''.
I think this gives value to users who want to look up a specific item, and also to users who want to see similar items. Thoughts? [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 16:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:That seems to be the way many people, myself included, are leaning. --[[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 17:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
:Though should 'Gems' not be singular for consistency? --[[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 17:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think this would be the way to go. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 20:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
::Details details ;). Yes, it should. Let's wait for some more comments on this. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] ([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]]) 01:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sold on the value of individual pages. Particularly when most of them aren't and won't ever be filled with anything but raws info, except the ones people have helpfully added spiffy pictures to. Most of the arguments '''against''' tables here are arguments against ugly table arrangements, not tables in general. If we put them in a table -- a '''good table''' with relevant information as one mineral per row, properly fast-forwarded to by the search -- it will be every bit as relevant and informative as the individual article without the search spam. Having both essentially doubles the work and threatens to make the articles go out of sync with each other. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 06:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hard to get them out of sync if the data's pulled from the raws, I'd say. As far as I can see from the stone lookup template the raws in question are being stored somewhere centrally anyhow, so they should always be equal. -- [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 09:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::If the raws are being stored centrally, there's even less reason to have the separate pages -- they perform no function but repeating data stored elsewhere. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 14:01, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

: I think, having both (table AND individual pages) would be the best solution. Reasons are the same already listed above. New players type hematite in the search and want to find infos about hematite! Looking a gigantic table with tons of info is to much for a little starting dwarf. By the way i think that all infromation about the stones can't be listed in a single table --[[User:Used|Used]] 10:05, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly. It isn't feasible to pack all of the information about every stone into one table. There isn't any danger of the pages being destroyed as long as nobody tries it while there's no good replacement for them. This is because you will never get to the point where even the creator of such a table thinks it's a good replacement. But please, carry on discussing what would be good or bad to do if you were ever handed one. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It's completely viable to pack the vast majority of stones into a table. The only relevant info for the vast majority of stones is "grey, sedimentary, sheets, melts at 13000", why have pages and pages and pages and pages and pages of this? Only the vanishingly few with any characteristics whatsoever deserve their own pages. And, for the n+1st time, finding the hematite entry in an ore table is finding perfectly good information about hematite. It's an ore that's smelted to make iron -- just like all the other ores, identical but for color, weight, layer, and melting points, are smelted to make other metals in completely identical ways. As long as the search fast-forwards properly to the anchors, all they're missing is a fancy picture of hematite. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 13:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Really, that's the one point I don't see being acknowledged by anyone else here. Ores, stones, and gems '''are''' all nearly identical, differing in a very limited number of ways. Individual pages thus add no content and make a lot more work. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 14:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::If you think you can do it, my words aren't going to stop you. None of this talk is going to mean anything until (UNLESS) such an all-encompassing table has been made. Your rational choices are reduced to the following: put up or shut up. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't understand the argument "it's more work" when there are people who WANT to make the pages. This isn't a company, we aren't on any sort of deadline, and people contribute what they want to contribute. And if they want to contribute pages for each stone, let them. I myself was quite frustrated with the stone and gem tables when I was first starting DF.

v0.31:Forge

2010-04-26T02:34:57Z

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Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation

2010-04-26T02:14:17Z

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Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Article Consolidation

2010-04-26T02:12:54Z

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v0.31 Talk:Gem

2010-04-13T12:14:48Z

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Have any new gems been introduced, and have gem values been verified?

The values of many things have changed. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:The Architect|The Architect]]
:I personally verified the name, value, and location of every gem in the list when I imported this page from 40d. Everything that hasn't been verified has been marked with a "Verify" note, including the gem colors and a few commented-out sections at the top of the page. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:00, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I have found gems to be more valuable than listed. For example, although pink tourmalines are listed at a value of 15 I am finding rough pink tourmalines valued at 45, and once cut they are valued at 75. Has anyone else found this?
--[[User:Monk12|Monk12]] 20:00, 11 April 2010
:To obtain the value of an uncut gem, multiply the value of the gem as listed on the page by 3. Multiply by 5 to obtain basic cut values.

v0.31:Star sapphire

2010-04-13T12:07:11Z

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{{gemlookup|SAPPHIRE_STAR}}{{av}}

Star Sapphires are rare {{L|gem}}s which are found within cluster of {{L|Sapphire}}, which are found in {{L|vein|large clusters}} of {{L|bauxite}}.

{{jewels}}

v0.31:Slugman

2010-04-13T11:53:43Z

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{{av}}

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:SLUGMAN]
[DESCRIPTION:A great slug with the torso of a man. It pulls itself across the ground with its hands for greater speed.]
[NAME:slugman:slugmen:slugman]
[CASTE_NAME:slugman:slugmen:slugman]
[SPEED:1500]
[LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:5]
[BIOME:FOREST_TROPICAL_MOIST_BROADLEAF]
[BIOME:ANY_WETLAND]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:5:10]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:2:5]
[CREATURE_TILE:'s'][COLOR:6:0:0]
[CAN_LEARN][CAN_SPEAK]
[MEANDERER]
[GRASSTRAMPLE:0]
[BENIGN][SAVAGE]
[PREFSTRING:slime]
[NOBONES]
[BODY:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:ARMS_STANCE:TAIL_STANCE:2EYESTALKS:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
[PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
[TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:1000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:168:12500]
[BODY_SIZE:2:0:50000]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[MAXAGE:10:20]
[ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]
[ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[CHILD:1]
[EQUIPS]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
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[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]}}

v0.31 Talk:Shell

2010-04-13T11:49:10Z

Turkwise: /* Bugs with shells/bone carvers? */ new section

Is there a stockpile for shells currently?--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I currently have "turtle" in my ingredients list, and am getting error messages if I try to "extract" at a fishery. I did some poking around the RAWs and the stockpile options, and apparently "shell" is treated much like a special kind of bone now. It's a type of inedible tissue that turtles have. You can find it in refuse piles, like bones. If you wanted a custom shell stockpile, you might make a refuse pile that is set to only accept turtle remains. I wonder if butcher shops can separate animal materials... Hope this helps. [[User:Theothersteve7|Theothersteve7]] 19:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

== Bugs with shells/bone carvers? ==

I had an odd thing happen with a bone carver. He went into a strange mood and produced an artifact at a craftsdwarf shop, but it turned out to be an iron item, an "iron figurine." (decorated with shell) The bone carver became a legendary bone carver.

More importantly, making shell objects seems to result in nothing, only an unchanged shell left behind. Has anyone else had either of these problems, or is it just me?

v0.31:Shell

2010-04-13T11:36:24Z

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{{av}}{{elven}}A '''Shell''' is produced by {{L|Fishery|preparing}} a shelled {{L|fish}}, such as a {{L|turtle}} or {{L|cave lobster}}.

Unlike in previous versions of the game, shells are not left behind when a dwarf {{L|cook}}s or {{L|food|eat}}s a shelled creature.

Shells can be crafted into objects at a {{L|craftsdwarf's workshop}} using the {{L|bone carver}} skill. Shells can be made into {{L|craft}}s, used to {{L|decorate}} other objects, or made into {{L|armor|leggings, gauntlets, or helms}}.

Shells currently cannot be acquired via {{L|trading}}, {{verify}} but fish that produce shells can.

v0.31:Acorn fly

2010-04-13T10:48:56Z

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{{av}}
{{elven}}

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:FLY_ACORN]
[DESCRIPTION:An insect many times the size of its peers. It is known for its deafening buzz.]
[NAME:acorn fly:acorn flies:acorn fly]
[CASTE_NAME:acorn fly:acorn flies:acorn fly]
[CREATURE_TILE:250][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NATURAL]
[BIOME:ANY_POOL]
[VERMIN_ROTTER][VERMIN_GROUNDER][VERMIN_MICRO][FREQUENCY:100]
[VERMIN_NOTRAP]
[SAVAGE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:2500:5000]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:100:200]
[SMALL_REMAINS]
[SPEED:2900]
[PREFSTRING:deafening buzz]
[FLIER]
[DIURNAL]
[NO_SLEEP]
[HOMEOTHERM:10071]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[NOBONES]
[BODY:INSECT:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:2WINGS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:20]
[MAXAGE:1:1]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
}}

v0.31:Acorn fly

2010-04-13T10:48:16Z

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{{av}}

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:FLY_ACORN]
[DESCRIPTION:An insect many times the size of its peers. It is known for its deafening buzz.]
[NAME:acorn fly:acorn flies:acorn fly]
[CASTE_NAME:acorn fly:acorn flies:acorn fly]
[CREATURE_TILE:250][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NATURAL]
[BIOME:ANY_POOL]
[VERMIN_ROTTER][VERMIN_GROUNDER][VERMIN_MICRO][FREQUENCY:100]
[VERMIN_NOTRAP]
[SAVAGE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:2500:5000]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:100:200]
[SMALL_REMAINS]
[SPEED:2900]
[PREFSTRING:deafening buzz]
[FLIER]
[DIURNAL]
[NO_SLEEP]
[HOMEOTHERM:10071]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[NOBONES]
[BODY:INSECT:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:2WINGS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:20]
[MAXAGE:1:1]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
}}

v0.31:Acorn fly

2010-04-13T10:47:48Z

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{{av}}

{{Game_Data|CREATURE:FLY_ACORN]
[DESCRIPTION:An insect many times the size of its peers. It is known for its deafening buzz.]
[NAME:acorn fly:acorn flies:acorn fly]
[CASTE_NAME:acorn fly:acorn flies:acorn fly]
[CREATURE_TILE:250][COLOR:6:0:0]
[NATURAL]
[BIOME:ANY_POOL]
[VERMIN_ROTTER][VERMIN_GROUNDER][VERMIN_MICRO][FREQUENCY:100]
[VERMIN_NOTRAP]
[SAVAGE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:2500:5000]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:100:200]
[SMALL_REMAINS]
[SPEED:2900]
[PREFSTRING:deafening buzz]
[FLIER]
[DIURNAL]
[NO_SLEEP]
[HOMEOTHERM:10071]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[NOBONES]
[BODY:INSECT:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:2WINGS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:20]
[MAXAGE:1:1]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
}}

v0.31:Kimberlite

2010-04-12T21:42:11Z

Turkwise:

{{stonelookup/0}}{{av}}

Kimberlite is a type of {{L|stone}}, found as veins in {{L|layer}}s of {{L|gabbro}}. While a basic stone itself, it is unique in that is the only stone in which {{L|diamond}}s are found.

{{rocks}}