23a:Trading - Revision history

Quietust at 00:14, 6 September 2021

2021-09-06T00:14:41Z

Quietust: various updates

2021-07-28T20:18:30Z

various updates

Quietust: /* Offering items */

2021-07-27T00:17:15Z

Offering items

Quietust: /* Caravan Delay */

2020-07-27T13:46:25Z

Caravan Delay

Quietust: /* Elves */ include messages

2020-07-27T13:43:10Z

Elves: include messages

Quietust: /* Offering items */ Offering history is actually used in the code for determining anger between entities (where the game chooses whether to send a Diplomat or a Siege)

2020-06-20T03:04:47Z

Offering items: Offering history is actually used in the code for determining anger between entities (where the game chooses whether to send a Diplomat or a Siege)

Quietust: /* Offering items */

2020-04-20T18:22:17Z

Offering items

Quietust: /* Caravan Delay */

2014-09-04T18:24:44Z

Caravan Delay

Quietust at 18:16, 4 September 2014

2014-09-04T18:16:19Z

Quietust: /* Trade Depot */ they definitely take offense

2014-09-04T18:13:56Z

Trade Depot: they definitely take offense

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 As a side note, if you deconstruct your trade depot with a caravan in it, the wagons will be killed and all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your Dwarves. This does not mark the items as stolen, but it still has all of the same negative effects as seizing goods - the civilization from which the caravan originated will observe that the value of their caravan was ''less'' than what they had when they visited you, so even if you came to possess the goods through no fault of your own ([[goblin]]s killed the merchants, for example) they will decide that you stole from them and may decide to attack you in response.
 ===Offering items===
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 If caravans are destroyed (intentionally or unintentionally), the items may remain for use. Traders caught in a [[cave-in]] will flee as if they were attacked but will leave all the items dropped by the caravan behind. Pack animals carrying items are affected just like a normal tamed [[mule]] and must be killed in the cave-in for them to drop items on the ground. It is however much more likely that the pack animal(s) will only be stunned or rendered unconscious and flee shortly after recovering from the hit. Wagons will collapse if caught in a cave-in, leaving all that it was carrying on the ground as a result.
-While caravans can defend themselves, they don't like being ambushed. If any merchant (including any wagon or pack animal) is killed, the entire caravan will retreat and forget about trading with you for the season.  Repeated caravan destruction (intentional or unintentional) will strain diplomatic relations and may result in a [[siege]].
+While caravans can defend themselves, they don't like being ambushed. If any merchant (including any wagon or pack animal) is killed, the entire caravan will retreat and forget about trading with you for the season.  Repeated caravan destruction (intentional or unintentional) will strain diplomatic relations and may result in a [[siege]]; due to a bug, however, this does not actually happen.
 === Caravan Delay ===
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 If you have locked the caravan into your fortress to hold out against a siege, it's a good idea to station a squad of soldiers near the trade depot in case the merchants [[Insanity#Types|go berserk]]. Alternatively, you can design the trade depot using [[drawbridge]]s so that it can be sealed off from the rest of the fortress during a siege, though take care not to put them so close to the depot that they [[Dwarven atom smasher|crush]] the merchants when they are raised or lowered.

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 === Seizing items ===
-Pressing {{K|s}} from the trade menu will seize the selected items of the merchants.  If you seize goods from a caravan, the merchant will respond "Take what you want. I can't stop you." and then leave immediately without the seized goods.  Items cannot be seized from the dwarven caravan, and other races will not buy goods stolen from one of their caravans (then marked in red) unless they are "laundered" by decoration or used to create other goods.  Seizing goods will hurt diplomatic relations, but is not grounds for an automatic [[siege]].
+Pressing {{K|s}} from the trade menu will seize the selected items of the merchants.  If you seize goods from a caravan, the merchant will respond "Take what you want. I can't stop you." and then leave immediately without the seized goods.  Items cannot be seized from the dwarven caravan, and other races will not buy goods stolen from one of their caravans (then marked in red) unless they are "laundered" by decoration or used to create other goods.  Seizing goods will hurt diplomatic relations - see [[Diplomat#Diplomacy|Diplomacy]] for more details.
 Pressing the seize button while no goods are selected will result in the merchant interpreting your seizure as a joke. This apparently does nothing to benefit or hinder your trading.
-As a side note, if you deconstruct your trade depot with a caravan in it, the wagons will be killed and all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your Dwarves. This does not mark the items as stolen, and the caravan will leave. However, ''next'' year's caravan is partly based on the profits from the previous year - so if you are relying on that race's caravans for needed items, you're hurting yourself in the long run.
+As a side note, if you deconstruct your trade depot with a caravan in it, the wagons will be killed and all the caravan's items will drop to the ground, to be readily hauled away by your Dwarves. This does not mark the items as stolen, but it still has all of the same negative effects as seizing goods - the civilization from which the caravan originated will observe that the value of their caravan was ''less'' than what they had when they visited you, so even if you came to possess the goods through no fault of your own ([[goblin]]s killed the merchants, for example) they will decide that you stole from them and may decide to attack you in response.
 ===Offering items===
-{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. The [[King]] requires offerings to be made before his arrival; for the Humans and Elves, offerings can be used to offset hostile actions which could otherwise lead to sieges or ambushes.
+{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. The [[King]] requires offerings to be made before his arrival, while Humans and Elves can be mollified by suitably large donations.
 === Miscellaneous Trading Advice ===
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 == Caravans ==
-Each friendly race will send a caravan each season that they are active, which is once per year for humans, elves, and dwarves.  Caravans will only show up if that race considers the fortress site accessible (as denoted on the embark screen).
+Each friendly race will send a caravan each season that they are active, which is once per year for humans, elves, and dwarves.  Caravans will only show up if that race considers the fortress site accessible (as denoted on the embark screen) and if the civilization is not unhappy with you.
 Note that if traders or their animals are prevented from leaving, they will eventually go [[insane]].
 === Wagons ===
-If you have built a [[road]] from the depot to the edge of the map (such that a 3 tile wide trail of "+"s trail off the left edge) and the depot is accessible, [[Human]] traders will send [[wagon]]s with their caravans, which have a much greater capacity for bringing foreign imports and accepting dwarven exports. Any patches of stone outdoors must be smoothed ({{K|d}} - {{K|s}}), and [[tree]]s must be cut down ({{K|d}} - {{K|t}}).  Any buildings which are normally passable, including [[restraint]]s and [[trap]]s, will not obstruct wagons either, nor will creatures, whether restrained or free.
+If you have built a [[road]] from the depot to the edge of the map (such that a 3 tile wide trail of "+"s trail off the left edge) and the depot is accessible, [[Human]] traders will send [[wagon]]s with their caravans, which have a much greater capacity for bringing foreign imports and accepting dwarven exports. Any patches of stone outdoors must be smoothed ({{K|d}} - {{K|s}}), and [[tree]]s must be cut down ({{K|d}} - {{K|t}}).  Any buildings which are normally passable, including [[restraint]]s and [[trap]]s, will not obstruct wagons either, but any creatures standing in their way will slow them down significantly.
 === Nobles ===
-Once the appropriate [[noble]]s arrive, Humans will send their [[guild representative]] (or equivalent) with caravans to speak to important dwarves.  They will allow you to choose the type of items that your fortress is interested in, and will focus on bringing more of that kind of item on the next caravan (however those items will also be more expensive).  They will also present you with a list of the items they're willing to pay more for, which will be effective upon their next arrival.
+Once the appropriate [[noble]]s arrive, Humans will send their [[guild representative]] (or equivalent) with caravans to speak to important dwarves.  They will allow you to choose the type of items that your fortress is interested in, and will focus on bringing more of that kind of item on the next caravan (though at significantly increased expense).  They will also present you with a list of the items they're willing to pay more for, which will be effective upon their next arrival.
-Note that if a merchant noble is prevented from leaving, they will eventually go [[insane]].
+Note that if a merchant noble is prevented from leaving after finishing their meeting, they will eventually go [[insane]].
 === Races ===
-The following races send caravans.
+The following races send caravans:
-==== [[Dwarves]] ====
+==== [[Dwarf|Dwarves]] ====
 The dwarven caravan:
 * arrives in [[Calendar|autumn]].
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 * cannot have its goods seized from the trade menu.
-==== [[elf|Elves]] ====
+==== [[Elf|Elves]] ====
 The elven caravan:
 * arrives in [[Calendar|spring]].
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 === Caravan Delay ===
-If a caravan has arrived at your trade depot and is unable to leave for about six months after they arrived, the merchants and animals will go insane.  This can result in a bunch of merchants attacking your dwarves, or just standing around moping until they starve to death.  It is not known for certain if this hurts diplomatic relations, but most likely it's the same as any case where the entire caravan fails to return home.
+If a caravan has arrived at your trade depot and is unable to leave for about six months after they arrived, the merchants and animals will go insane.  This can result in a bunch of merchants attacking your dwarves, or just standing around moping until they starve to death.  It goes without saying that this will ''significantly'' harm diplomatic relations.
 If you have locked the caravan into your fortress to hold out against a siege, it's a good idea to station a squad of soldiers near the trade depot in case the merchants [[Insanity#Types|go berserk]]. Alternatively, you can design the trade depot using [[drawbridge]]s so that it can be sealed off from the rest of the fortress during a siege, though take care not to put them so close to the depot that they [[Dwarven atom smasher|crush]] the merchants when they are raised or lowered.

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 ===Offering items===
-{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. The [[King]] requires offerings to be made before his arrival; for the Humans and Elves, offerings help to improve relations between your civilizations and can help to avoid sieges or ambushes should you manage to offend them in other ways.
+{{key|o}} You can also give away items, as gifts to the leaders of the [[civilization]] you are trading with. The [[King]] requires offerings to be made before his arrival; for the Humans and Elves, offerings can be used to offset hostile actions which could otherwise lead to sieges or ambushes.
 === Miscellaneous Trading Advice ===

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	If a caravan has arrived at your trade depot and is unable to leave for about six months after they arrived, the merchants and animals will go insane. This can result in a bunch of merchants attacking your dwarves, or just standing around moping until they starve to death. It is not known for certain if this hurts diplomatic relations, but most likely it's the same as any case where the entire caravan fails to return home.		If a caravan has arrived at your trade depot and is unable to leave for about six months after they arrived, the merchants and animals will go insane. This can result in a bunch of merchants attacking your dwarves, or just standing around moping until they starve to death. It is not known for certain if this hurts diplomatic relations, but most likely it's the same as any case where the entire caravan fails to return home.

−	If you have locked the caravan into your fortress to hold out against a siege, it's a good idea to station a squad of soldiers near the trade depot in case the merchants [[Insanity#Types\|go berserk]]. Alternatively, you can design the trade depot using ~~drawbridges~~ so that it can be sealed off from the rest of the fortress during a siege.	+	If you have locked the caravan into your fortress to hold out against a siege, it's a good idea to station a squad of soldiers near the trade depot in case the merchants [[Insanity#Types\|go berserk]]. Alternatively, you can design the trade depot using [[drawbridge]]s so that it can be sealed off from the rest of the fortress during a siege, though take care not to put them so close to the depot that they [[Dwarven atom smasher\|crush]] the merchants when they are raised or lowered.

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 * does not accept some items in trade.
 Elven traders do not like to be offered any tree byproducts:
 * Items made of (or [[decoration|decorated]] with) [[wood]].
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 * [[Lye]]
 Elven traders also do not like to be offered any animal byproducts:
 * Items made of (or [[decoration|decorated]] with) [[bone]], [[leather]], [[shell]], [[horn]], or [[ivory]].
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 * Prepared meals containing any of the above items
 Offering or trading forbidden items will cause the traders to refuse to trade any more that season and leave immediately.  Additionally you will be called uncouth, crude, and barbaric for suggesting it (depending on whether you offered wood products, animal products, or ''both'').  Tragic incidents can befall name callers which if repeated can lead to [[siege|interesting times]] and even great [[fun]]!
-However, [[stone]] and [[metal]] items, even when [[charcoal]] is used in production, are acceptable, as are items made from non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin.
+However, [[stone]] and [[metal]] items, even when [[charcoal]] is used in production, are acceptable, as are items made from non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin itself.
 ==== [[Human]]s ====

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	If a caravan has arrived at your trade depot and is unable to leave for about six months after they arrived, the merchants and animals will go insane. This can result in a bunch of merchants attacking your dwarves, or just standing around moping until they starve to death. It is not known for certain if this hurts diplomatic relations, but most likely it's the same as any case where the entire caravan fails to return home.		If a caravan has arrived at your trade depot and is unable to leave for about six months after they arrived, the merchants and animals will go insane. This can result in a bunch of merchants attacking your dwarves, or just standing around moping until they starve to death. It is not known for certain if this hurts diplomatic relations, but most likely it's the same as any case where the entire caravan fails to return home.

−	If you have locked the caravan into your fortress to hold out against a siege, it's a good idea to station a squad of soldiers near the trade depot in case the merchants [[Insanity#Types\|go berserk]]~~. You may also want to make the depot a restricted area to encourage civilians to go around it~~. Alternatively, you can design the trade depot using drawbridges so that it can be sealed off from the rest of the fortress during a siege.	+	If you have locked the caravan into your fortress to hold out against a siege, it's a good idea to station a squad of soldiers near the trade depot in case the merchants [[Insanity#Types\|go berserk]]. Alternatively, you can design the trade depot using drawbridges so that it can be sealed off from the rest of the fortress during a siege.

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 * Items in brown have been created (or modified) by your fortress. They can be traded away or offered as a gift.
 * Items in white were created by another source, either acquired from a caravan or brought during embark. They can be traded, but if one of these items has been selected, the entire selection cannot be offered as a gift.
-* Items in purple are under a no-export mandate and should not be traded away unless absolutely necessary.
+* Items in purple are under a no-export mandate and should not be traded away unless you are willing to face the consequences.
 * Items in green have just been gifted to the caravan and they will not trade it back.
 * Items in red have been seized from another caravan and cannot be traded as is; you will need to decorate them or turn them into other items for them to become "valid" trading items.

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 * the items that are in the trade depot
-[[Exploit|Deconstructing]] the trade depot after the merchants have finished unloading will allow you to steal all of the items, though the civilization from which the merchants came will likely take offense to this action and may decide to attack you the next time they visit.
+[[Exploit|Deconstructing]] the trade depot after the merchants have finished unloading will allow you to steal all of the items, though the civilization from which the merchants came will take offense to this action and may decide to attack you the next time they visit.
 See the [[Trade depot]] article for more information on how to interact with it.