40d Talk:Fortification - Revision history

Quietust: /* Blocking creatures... or not? */ rephrase

2010-10-13T20:42:40Z

Blocking creatures... or not?: rephrase

Quietust: /* Blocking creatures... or not? */ new section

2010-10-13T20:19:27Z

Blocking creatures... or not?: new section

QuietBot: moved Talk:Broken/40d\x3aFortification to 40d Talk:Fortification: Fixing talk page name (262/738)

2010-03-08T21:46:06Z

moved Talk:Broken/40d\x3aFortification to 40d Talk:Fortification: Fixing talk page name (262/738)

Briess: moved Talk:Fortification to Talk:40d:Fortification: 40d namespace migration

2010-03-08T01:53:01Z

moved Talk:Fortification to [[Talk:40d:Fortification]]: 40d namespace migration

Melek: /* will water inside a fortification freeze? */

2010-02-06T08:42:59Z

will water inside a fortification freeze?

204.38.196.183: /* Difficulty of firing through fortifications */

2010-02-05T10:11:41Z

Difficulty of firing through fortifications

Calenth: /* will water inside a fortification freeze? */

2010-02-04T19:08:07Z

will water inside a fortification freeze?

Calenth: /* will water inside a fortification freeze? */ new section

2010-02-04T19:07:56Z

will water inside a fortification freeze?: new section

70.240.149.70 at 05:43, 20 January 2010

2010-01-20T05:43:39Z

Albedo: /* Prevention of ambushes */

2009-06-08T14:34:26Z

Prevention of ambushes

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	== Blocking creatures... or not? ==		== Blocking creatures... or not? ==

−	It's been commonly assumed that submerged fortifications were capable of blocking swimming creatures in 40d, ~~while in 0.31 they~~ did ~~not appear to do so, but~~ a ~~quick~~ test ~~indicated~~ that a fully submerged (7/7 water) fortification did '''not''' block ~~the~~ path ~~of my Adventurer~~. A carved fortification ~~did prevent immediate~~ movement due to drowning risk (I ~~had~~ to ~~alt~~-move ~~to step~~ into it, but I ~~could step out right afterwards), and a directly constructed one acted like it wasn't even there~~. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] 20:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)	+	It's been commonly assumed that submerged fortifications were capable of blocking swimming creatures in 40d but that flowing water was capable of pushing them through. However, I did a test in Adventurer mode and discovered that a fully submerged (7/7 water) fortification did '''not''' block my path at all - I was able to swim right through it as if it wasn't even there. A carved fortification seemed to block movement, but it was only due to drowning risk; I was able to Alt-move into it, but I started drowning due to the ceiling above me. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] 20:42, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

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	: I've had water freeze inside a constructed fortification (stone) and inside a carved ice one, not sure about carved stone ones though. -- [[User:Melek\|Melek]] 08:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)		: I've had water freeze inside a constructed fortification (stone) and inside a carved ice one, not sure about carved stone ones though. -- [[User:Melek\|Melek]] 08:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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		+	It's been commonly assumed that submerged fortifications were capable of blocking swimming creatures in 40d, while in 0.31 they did not appear to do so, but a quick test indicated that a fully submerged (7/7 water) fortification did '''not''' block the path of my Adventurer. A carved fortification did prevent immediate movement due to drowning risk (I had to alt-move to step into it, but I could step out right afterwards), and a directly constructed one acted like it wasn't even there. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] 20:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

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	Trying to figure out how to build a screw pump tower that won't freeze solid in winter.		Trying to figure out how to build a screw pump tower that won't freeze solid in winter.
	[[User:Calenth\|Calenth]] 19:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)		[[User:Calenth\|Calenth]] 19:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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		+	: I've had water freeze inside a constructed fortification (stone) and inside a carved ice one, not sure about carved stone ones though. -- [[User:Melek\|Melek]] 08:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

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	:Doesn't work, they just end up standing in front of the fortifications. [[User:Dangerous Beans\|Dangerous Beans]] 20:40, 3 December 2008 (EST)		:Doesn't work, they just end up standing in front of the fortifications. [[User:Dangerous Beans\|Dangerous Beans]] 20:40, 3 December 2008 (EST)

		+	you could try building a row of bars or grants in front of and possibly spaced between the fortifications and the Dwarfs. or just two rows of fortifications one they go up to and one between the targets to test.

	Do constructed fortifications provide any defence from projectiles fired from higher z levels? I'm currently building a killing field, and want some way to protect my dwarfs from goblin arrows, while still allowing my marks dwarfs in the raised tower to fill the goblins full of bolts.[[User:Dangerous Beans\|Dangerous Beans]] 20:08, 3 December 2008 (EST)		Do constructed fortifications provide any defence from projectiles fired from higher z levels? I'm currently building a killing field, and want some way to protect my dwarfs from goblin arrows, while still allowing my marks dwarfs in the raised tower to fill the goblins full of bolts.[[User:Dangerous Beans\|Dangerous Beans]] 20:08, 3 December 2008 (EST)

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	Trying to figure out how to build a screw pump tower that won't freeze solid in winter.		Trying to figure out how to build a screw pump tower that won't freeze solid in winter.
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	==Constructed vs Carved==		==Constructed vs Carved==
	I've got relatively limited experience with the constructed version, having been hit by return fire the times I've used them. I've never had a shooter hit behind carved. Is there a significant difference or just randomness? [[Special:Contributions/70.240.149.70\|70.240.149.70]] 05:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)		I've got relatively limited experience with the constructed version, having been hit by return fire the times I've used them. I've never had a shooter hit behind carved. Is there a significant difference or just randomness? [[Special:Contributions/70.240.149.70\|70.240.149.70]] 05:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== will water inside a fortification freeze? ==
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		+	Will water inside a fortification tile freeze? Can you pump water out of a fortification square?
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		+	Trying to figure out how to build a screw pump tower that won't freeze solid in winter.

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	::On the forums veterans have stated that the reverse is true - altitude hurts your range. Effective range on a crossbow should be about 20 tiles, so 12 up and 13 out might be about right. (A bolt will travel further, but marksdwarves don't tend to open fire until targets are about 20 away.)		::On the forums veterans have stated that the reverse is true - altitude hurts your range. Effective range on a crossbow should be about 20 tiles, so 12 up and 13 out might be about right. (A bolt will travel further, but marksdwarves don't tend to open fire until targets are about 20 away.)
	::It might also be closer to "restricted traffic" than a "will not appear" situation - the gobbos might naturally just avoid arriving near any dwarfs (with or without crossbows) if they have other options, but if you ringed your map with them they'd still show up ''somewhere''. Say it with me - "More research is needed."--[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 14:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)		::It might also be closer to "restricted traffic" than a "will not appear" situation - the gobbos might naturally just avoid arriving near any dwarfs (with or without crossbows) if they have other options, but if you ringed your map with them they'd still show up ''somewhere''. Say it with me - "More research is needed."--[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 14:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
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		+	==Constructed vs Carved==
		+	I've got relatively limited experience with the constructed version, having been hit by return fire the times I've used them. I've never had a shooter hit behind carved. Is there a significant difference or just randomness? [[Special:Contributions/70.240.149.70\|70.240.149.70]] 05:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

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 I assume from personal experience that the law of range with z-level is that for every z-level you go up, the dwarf will get +1 range but at the same time will get a blind spot of +1 from the dwarf. Now the interesting is that if you have marksdwarfs (I am not sure if normal marksdwarfs will work, but it appears elites and champs work for this) on a z-level such that their range extends over the map screen, then ambushes will not appear in this area. I do not know if this holds true if the dwarfs aren't behind fortifications, but if they are it seems this works through repeats of the same save -  ambushes would only appear on parts of the edges not covered in the range of marksdwarfs. However, at the same time my dwarfs won't shoot any goblins that show up because their shooting range is beyond. Anyone else want to test this or have done this? For reference, my marksdwarfs are 12 z-levels up from ground and are 13 tiles from the edge on a side. --[[User:Breakfight|Breakfight]]
 :Well, that would make sense if the game requires ambush units to appear on the map hidden at start. Anyone care to fill the map edge with chained guard dogs? --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 12:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
-::On the forums veterans have stated that the reverse is true - altitude hurts your range.  Effective range on a crossbow should be about 20 tiles, so 12 up and 13 out might be about right. (A bolt will travel further, but marksdwarves don't tend to open fire until targets are about 20 away.)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 14:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
+::On the forums veterans have stated that the reverse is true - altitude hurts your range.  Effective range on a crossbow should be about 20 tiles, so 12 up and 13 out might be about right. (A bolt will travel further, but marksdwarves don't tend to open fire until targets are about 20 away.)