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58.22.64.228: /* Making races */

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Making races

Albedo at 13:00, 12 March 2010

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Carlthuringer at 06:03, 12 March 2010

2010-03-12T06:03:01Z

Albedo: broken (invisible) category link

2010-03-11T15:42:58Z

broken (invisible) category link

Albedo: Two categories? Mod & Modding? Lot of reworking to be done.

2010-03-11T15:40:03Z

Two categories? Mod & Modding? Lot of reworking to be done.

Albedo: Two categories? Mod & Modding? Lot of reworking to be done.

2010-03-11T15:38:58Z

Two categories? Mod & Modding? Lot of reworking to be done.

Albedo at 15:35, 11 March 2010

2010-03-11T15:35:16Z

Albedo at 15:32, 11 March 2010

2010-03-11T15:32:37Z

Albedo: Call for re-organization of various MODDING pages and sub-articles

2010-03-11T15:30:44Z

Call for re-organization of various MODDING pages and sub-articles

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		+	Anyone ever tried making Centaurs and Merpeople races? Is there another page that this would better fit? Possibly some forums. Do they work differently from the other races? I'm sure someone has done something like this so I don't have to work or read much, making characteristics and such. I haven't gone anywhere near a large body of water so I don't know what kind of an environment it is underwater, though I guess it's a bit like flying. Building structures underwater might be impossible.(currently anyway) I'm thinking of structures made out of coral or fish bones or whatever is under the sea.--[[User:Seaneat\|Seaneat]] 23:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	:It isn't possible to make an underwater civ playable in Fortress mode - nothing can be constructed in the water, and I seem to recall that everyone will constantly cancel their tasks due to Dangerous Terrain. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] 23:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

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−	~~== Making races ==~~	+	Adidas shoes became famous in the shoe bazaar as a casual shoe because of the gazelle ongoing in the [url=http://www.adidas-cheap.com/adidas-porsche-design-c-15.html] Adidas Porsche Design [/url] sneakers.However, within four decades, [url=http://www.adidas-cheap.com]cheap Adidas shoes [/url] have reserved manufacturers in continual production of [url=http://www.adidas-cheap.com/adidas-rod-laver-c-13.html] Adidas Rod Laver [/url] for more than four decades. Our [url= http://www.outlet-gucci.com] Gucci outlet [/url] online store are offering Gucci new released collections and discount Gucci bags, [url= http://www.outlet-gucci.com] Gucci handbags [/url], Gucci wallets, Gucci purses, Gucci totes, shoes etc.
−	~~Anyone ever tried making Centaurs and Merpeople races? Is there another page that this would better fit? Possibly some forums. Do they work differently from~~ the ~~other races? I'm sure someone has done something like this so I don't have to work or read much, making characteristics and such. I haven't gone anywhere near~~ a ~~large body~~ of ~~water so I don't know what kind of an environment it is underwater, though I guess it's a bit like flying~~. ~~Building structures underwater might be impossible.(currently anyway) I'm thinking of structures made out of coral or fish bones or whatever is under the sea~~.--[[~~User~~:~~Seaneat\|Seaneat~~]] 23:~~34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)~~
−	~~:It isn't possible to make an underwater civ playable in Fortress mode~~ - ~~nothing can be constructed in the water, and I seem to recall that everyone will constantly cancel their tasks due to Dangerous Terrain~~. --[[~~User~~:~~Quietust\|Quietust~~]] 23:53, ~~22 November 2009 (UTC)~~

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 :I brought up the issue when I picked, at random, [[Wizard]] which was listed for verification. Articles in its family have their own set o fproblems, but I had a pretty hard time figuring out how, exactly, to go about modding them into the game and still haven't satisfactorily tested the wizards I made.
 :I'd like to cast a net in here for experienced modders interested in organizing and combining the [[Mods|Category:Mods]] and [[Modding|Category:Modding]] pages to better assist newbies and experienced players in learning more about adding more [[Fun]] to their game. I think it's appropriate to ask interested parties to comment in [[Mods|Category:Mods]] for further discussion.--[[User:Carlthuringer|Carlthuringer]] 06:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 == Creating separate .txt file for new creatures ==

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	(If you feel this is too big a project for "you" alone, and/or want to "stake your claim" to give you time to finish a multi-day project, continue this discussion and get some like-minded editors to help - see [[40d_Talk:Fortress_defense#Merging_in_other_articles_and_defining_what_this_page_should_be\|this discussion]] for an example of how such grew into a complete teardown/rebuild of a similar mishmash of articles (and note that that particular article title no longer exists!). And hit my talk page if you want help/advice/sympathy with formatting, organization or miscellaneous "how to" - I'll be around.--[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 15:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)		(If you feel this is too big a project for "you" alone, and/or want to "stake your claim" to give you time to finish a multi-day project, continue this discussion and get some like-minded editors to help - see [[40d_Talk:Fortress_defense#Merging_in_other_articles_and_defining_what_this_page_should_be\|this discussion]] for an example of how such grew into a complete teardown/rebuild of a similar mishmash of articles (and note that that particular article title no longer exists!). And hit my talk page if you want help/advice/sympathy with formatting, organization or miscellaneous "how to" - I'll be around.--[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 15:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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		+	:I brought up the issue when I picked, at random, [[Wizard]] which was listed for verification. Articles in its family have their own set o fproblems, but I had a pretty hard time figuring out how, exactly, to go about modding them into the game and still haven't satisfactorily tested the wizards I made.
		+	:I'd like to cast a net in here for experienced modders interested in organizing and combining the [[Mods\|Category:Mods]] and [[Modding\|Category:Modding]] pages to better assist newbies and experienced players in learning more about adding more [[Fun]] to their game. I think it's appropriate to ask interested parties to comment in [[Mods\|Category:Mods]] for further discussion.--[[User:Carlthuringer\|Carlthuringer]] 06:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

	== Creating separate .txt file for new creatures ==		== Creating separate .txt file for new creatures ==

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 You see the need, do it!  Of all the topics, "modding" is clearly and literally outside vanilla DF, yet also clearly(?) intended to be part of it. Bringing those articles together would be both a challenge and a great help.  I agree, this needs to be done, and is a worthy project.  I'd tackle it, and certainly have done larger such "cat herding" before here, but I don't mod much.  But I can give you some general pointers...
-The text on [[Category:Modding]] is merely a courtesy and an explanatory footnote (or ''should'' be nothing ''more'' than that) - that page is created automatically as part of the wiki engine, to show every article that has been added to the category "modding" (simply be adding the code " <nowiki>[[Category:Modding]]</nowiki> ". ''Every'' page that fits under the loose umbrella of "modding" should have this added to it, at the bottom. (But, ''I think'', there should only be '''one''' category, not two, neh?!)
+The text on the [[Modding|Category:Modding]] page (which cannot be directly linked, btw, and so '''must''' have a redirect!) is merely a courtesy and an explanatory footnote (or ''should'' be nothing ''more'' than that) - that page is created automatically as part of the wiki engine, to show every article that has been added to the category "modding" (simply be adding the code " <nowiki>[[Category:Modding]]</nowiki> ". ''Every'' page that fits under the loose umbrella of "modding" should have this added to it, at the bottom. (But, ''I think'', there should only be '''one''' category, not two, neh?!)
 The [[List of mods]] appears to simply be a series of links to pre-fabricated, downloadable mods. Script kiddy stuff, by any other name. It needs a "how to" at the top, among other things, and maybe a comment on how to combine downloadable mods. And links.
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 (If you feel this is too big a project for "you" alone, and/or want to "stake your claim" to give you time to finish a multi-day project, continue this discussion and get some like-minded editors to help - see [[40d_Talk:Fortress_defense#Merging_in_other_articles_and_defining_what_this_page_should_be|this discussion]] for an example of how such grew into a complete teardown/rebuild of a similar mishmash of articles (and note that that particular article title no longer exists!).  And hit my talk page if you want help/advice/sympathy with formatting, organization or miscellaneous "how to" - I'll be around.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 15:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 == Creating separate .txt file for new creatures ==

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 (I think [[Token]]s, because it actually has been well-linked, also has some commentary about Modding and has had more links to it - they tend to feed off each other.  A footnote-quality comment there is fine, but better to have all info centralized and linked than redundant articles that may or may not grow in parallel to each other.)
-So - think about it, read all of what's there and what's linked to and from (see auto-link in left-sidebar, "What links here"!), make a plan, and tackle it logically, one step at a time.  Read the above DF Wiki community guidelines.  Make some notes.  Change article names if you ''really'' are feeling confident.  Cross link ''everything'' - that's what makes a page useful and connected.  Link to vanilla DF articles as you see relevance, perhaps working in a comment, footnote or separate line toward the bottom.  In short, be [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#B|Bold]]. And your edits will bring those pages to the attention of other editors, who will make their own contributions.  And we will thank you for it!
+So - think about it, read all of what's there and what's linked to and from (see auto-link in left-sidebar, "What links here"!), make a plan, and tackle it logically, one step at a time.  Read the above DF Wiki community guidelines.  Make some notes.  Figure out what's going on with those two different categories, "mod" and "modding".  Change article names if you ''really'' are feeling confident.  Cross link ''everything'' - that's what makes a page useful and connected.  Link to vanilla DF articles as you see relevance, perhaps working in a comment, footnote or separate line toward the bottom.  In short, be [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#B|Bold]]. And your edits will bring those pages to the attention of other editors, who will make their own contributions.  And we will thank you for it!
 (If you feel this is too big a project for "you" alone, and/or want to "stake your claim" to give you time to finish a multi-day project, continue this discussion and get some like-minded editors to help - see [[40d_Talk:Fortress_defense#Merging_in_other_articles_and_defining_what_this_page_should_be|this discussion]] for an example of how such grew into a complete teardown/rebuild of a similar mishmash of articles (and note that that particular article title no longer exists!).  And hit my talk page if you want help/advice/sympathy with formatting, organization or miscellaneous "how to" - I'll be around.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 15:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

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−	A user has made these comment on [[Category talk:Modding]] and [[~~wizard~~]] discussion pages..., and I thought it best to reply here, where users interested in modding might(?) find it...	+	A user has made these comment on [[Category talk:Modding]] and [[Category talk:Mods]] discussion pages..., and I thought it best to reply here, where users interested in modding might(?) find it...

	I was led astray a long while as I looked for information on modding before		I was led astray a long while as I looked for information on modding before

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 Links...  links are what make a wiki work, what lead a user from one article to another related or even more useful one.
-And links are why the [[modding guide]] is tragic and almost pointless atm, because it has only 2 article links that lead to it - one from [[other weapon]] and one from [[building destroyer]], and both of those are buried and very minor - which explains why, for instance, I don't remember seeing the Modding Guide article ''ever before!''  But that's the page that should be center of "How to", and the page that others direct users (like yourself) to read.  Maybe some additional search redirects, perhaps look over the ones that currently lead to the "category" or "tokens" articles and change them.
+And links are why this ''[[modding guide]]'' is (currently) tragic and almost completely pointless atm, because it has only 2 article links that lead to it - one from [[other weapon]] and one from [[building destroyer]], and both of those are buried and very minor - which explains why, for instance, I sure don't remember seeing the Modding Guide article ''ever before!''  But this is the article that should be center of "How to", and the page that all others direct users (like the one above) to read.  Maybe some additional search redirects, perhaps look over the redirects that currently lead to the "category" or "tokens" articles and change them.
 The [[template:mod]] goes above anything that fits the text in it - (almost) anything that is not vanilla DF or that changes the code as downloaded ([[cat]] and [[init.txt]] being notable exceptions). Anything with that template could be helpful.

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−	[re: Creating separate .txt file for new creatures]	+	A user has made these comment on [[Category talk:Modding]] and [[wizard]] discussion pages..., and I thought it best to reply here, where users interested in modding might(?) find it...
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		+	I was led astray a long while as I looked for information on modding before
		+	I found 40d:Modding guide...
		+	Messy, messy. Delete/merge. Furthermore, link the surviving category to 40d:Modding guide
		+	What, you talkin' to me? ; D
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		+	You see the need, do it! Of all the topics, "modding" is clearly and literally outside vanilla DF, yet also clearly(?) intended to be part of it. Bringing those articles together would be both a challenge and a great help. I agree, this needs to be done, and is a worthy project. I'd tackle it, and certainly have done larger such "cat herding" before here, but I don't mod much. But I can give you some general pointers...
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		+	The text on [[Category:Modding]] is merely a courtesy and an explanatory footnote (or ''should'' be nothing ''more'' than that) - that page is created automatically as part of the wiki engine, to show every article that has been added to the category "modding" (simply be adding the code " <nowiki>[[Category:Modding]]</nowiki> ". ''Every'' page that fits under the loose umbrella of "modding" should have this added to it, at the bottom.
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		+	The [[List of mods]] appears to simply be a series of links to pre-fabricated, downloadable mods. Script kiddy stuff, by any other name. It needs a "how to" at the top, among other things, and maybe a comment on how to combine downloadable mods. And links.
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		+	Links... links are what make a wiki work, what lead a user from one article to another related or even more useful one.
		+
		+	And links are why the [[modding guide]] is tragic and almost pointless atm, because it has only 2 article links that lead to it - one from [[other weapon]] and one from [[building destroyer]], and both of those are buried and very minor - which explains why, for instance, I don't remember seeing the Modding Guide article ''ever before!'' But that's the page that should be center of "How to", and the page that others direct users (like yourself) to read. Maybe some additional search redirects, perhaps look over the ones that currently lead to the "category" or "tokens" articles and change them.
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		+	The [[template:mod]] goes above anything that fits the text in it - (almost) anything that is not vanilla DF or that changes the code as downloaded ([[cat]] and [[init.txt]] being notable exceptions). Anything with that template could be helpful.
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		+	(I think [[Token]]s, because it actually has been well-linked, also has some commentary about Modding and has had more links to it - they tend to feed off each other. A footnote-quality comment there is fine, but better to have all info centralized and linked than redundant articles that may or may not grow in parallel to each other.)
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		+	So - think about it, read all of what's there and what's linked to and from (see auto-link in left-sidebar, "What links here"!), make a plan, and tackle it logically, one step at a time. Read the above DF Wiki community guidelines. Make some notes. Change article names if you ''really'' are feeling confident. Cross link ''everything'' - that's what makes a page useful and connected. Link to vanilla DF articles as you see relevance, perhaps working in a comment, footnote or separate line toward the bottom. In short, be [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#B\|Bold]]. And your edits will bring those pages to the attention of other editors, who will make their own contributions. And we will thank you for it!
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		+	(If you feel this is too big a project for "you" alone, and/or want to "stake your claim" to give you time to finish a multi-day project, continue this discussion and get some like-minded editors to help - see [[40d_Talk:Fortress_defense#Merging_in_other_articles_and_defining_what_this_page_should_be\|this discussion]] for an example of how such grew into a complete teardown/rebuild of a similar mishmash of articles (and note that that particular article title no longer exists!). And hit my talk page if you want help/advice/sympathy with formatting, organization or miscellaneous "how to" - I'll be around.--[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 15:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Creating separate .txt file for new creatures ==

	This didn't work well for me. I added a new playable civ (Klackon) to the entity_default file like this page said, and the species (Klackon) in that new civ was located in a new .txt file. Dwarves still showed up, but never my civ. I kept reducing the number of allowable dwarf civs thinking they were just competing for selection, culminating in getting rid of them entirely, ending up in developing a world that had humans and elves only! Oops.		This didn't work well for me. I added a new playable civ (Klackon) to the entity_default file like this page said, and the species (Klackon) in that new civ was located in a new .txt file. Dwarves still showed up, but never my civ. I kept reducing the number of allowable dwarf civs thinking they were just competing for selection, culminating in getting rid of them entirely, ending up in developing a world that had humans and elves only! Oops.