40d Talk:Skill - Revision history

Quietust: /* Alchemist */

2024-06-11T20:40:02Z

Alchemist

Quietust: /* Alchemist */

2024-06-11T20:34:43Z

Alchemist

Quietust: /* Alchemist */ new section

2024-06-11T20:33:30Z

Alchemist: new section

QuietBot: moved Talk:Broken/40d\x3aSkill to 40d Talk:Skill: Fixing talk page name (575/738)

2010-03-08T21:52:27Z

moved Talk:Broken/40d\x3aSkill to 40d Talk:Skill: Fixing talk page name (575/738)

Briess: moved Talk:Skill to Talk:40d:Skill: 40d namespace migration

2010-03-08T01:52:52Z

moved Talk:Skill to [[Talk:40d:Skill]]: 40d namespace migration

Albedo: /* finding dwarves with a specific skill */ nope

2009-06-02T02:41:59Z

finding dwarves with a specific skill: nope

GarrieIrons: /* finding dwarves with a specific skill */ new section

2009-06-02T01:01:16Z

finding dwarves with a specific skill: new section

Albedo: /* added "Professions", re-format */ new section

2009-05-15T04:28:27Z

added "Professions", re-format: new section

VengefulDonut: /* Split "Skill" & "Profession" into 2 pages? */

2009-05-09T14:10:42Z

Split "Skill" & "Profession" into 2 pages?

Albedo: /* Split "Skill" & "Profession" into 2 pages? */

2009-05-09T00:37:44Z

Split "Skill" & "Profession" into 2 pages?

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−	Curiously, version 0.28.181.40d '''does''' have an "Alchemist" profession which shows up in purple (and would be counted in the "Nobles/Admins" category on the Overall Status screen), and the logic for picking a dwarf's civilian profession would theoretically pick it if the dwarf's highest skill was Alchemy, but due to a bug the Alchemy skill is excluded from the set of "civilian skills" and thus an Alchemist will just be considered a Peasant. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust\|talk]]) 20:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)	+	Curiously, version 0.28.181.40d '''does''' have an "Alchemist" profession which shows up in purple (and would be counted in the "Nobles/Admins" category on the Overall Status screen), and the logic for picking a dwarf's civilian profession would theoretically pick it if the dwarf's highest skill was Alchemy, but due to a bug the Alchemy skill is excluded from the set of "civilian skills" and thus an Alchemist will just be considered a Peasant. The binary patch <tt>0x4A3863 : 01 -> 00</tt> would fix this. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust\|talk]]) 20:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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−	Curiously, version 0.28.181.40d '''does''' have an "Alchemist" profession which shows up in purple, and the logic for picking a dwarf's civilian profession would theoretically pick it if the dwarf's highest skill was Alchemy, but due to a bug the Alchemy skill is excluded from the set of "civilian skills" and thus an Alchemist will just be considered a Peasant. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust\|talk]]) 20:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)	+	Curiously, version 0.28.181.40d '''does''' have an "Alchemist" profession which shows up in purple (and would be counted in the "Nobles/Admins" category on the Overall Status screen), and the logic for picking a dwarf's civilian profession would theoretically pick it if the dwarf's highest skill was Alchemy, but due to a bug the Alchemy skill is excluded from the set of "civilian skills" and thus an Alchemist will just be considered a Peasant. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust\|talk]]) 20:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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	:That would indeed be handy. No, not a unified screen, only dwarf by dwarf, and even then not one you can scroll thru - very cludgey. ({{k\|u}}, then {{k\|c}}, & then {{k\|g}} the first time - then back to {{k\|u}} & etc. for each dwarf on the list.)		:That would indeed be handy. No, not a unified screen, only dwarf by dwarf, and even then not one you can scroll thru - very cludgey. ({{k\|u}}, then {{k\|c}}, & then {{k\|g}} the first time - then back to {{k\|u}} & etc. for each dwarf on the list.)
	:3rd party [[utility\|utilities]] like Dwarf Manager are better, but only relatively. In the forums is a "suggestions" subforum - read directions before posting. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 02:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		:3rd party [[utility\|utilities]] like Dwarf Manager are better, but only relatively. In the forums is a "suggestions" subforum - read directions before posting. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 02:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== Alchemist ==
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		+	Curiously, version 0.28.181.40d '''does''' have an "Alchemist" profession which shows up in purple, and the logic for picking a dwarf's civilian profession would theoretically pick it if the dwarf's highest skill was Alchemy, but due to a bug the Alchemy skill is excluded from the set of "civilian skills" and thus an Alchemist will just be considered a Peasant. --[[User:Quietust\|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust\|talk]]) 20:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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	If this is a feature request where should i raise it?		If this is a feature request where should i raise it?
	[[User:GarrieIrons\|GarrieIrons]] 01:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		[[User:GarrieIrons\|GarrieIrons]] 01:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
		+	:That would indeed be handy. No, not a unified screen, only dwarf by dwarf, and even then not one you can scroll thru - very cludgey. ({{k\|u}}, then {{k\|c}}, & then {{k\|g}} the first time - then back to {{k\|u}} & etc. for each dwarf on the list.)
		+	:3rd party [[utility\|utilities]] like Dwarf Manager are better, but only relatively. In the forums is a "suggestions" subforum - read directions before posting. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 02:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

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	I reformatted the excellent professions/skills table into 4 columns, rather than prev. 3, to be more easily readable in a single glance on a smaller (15", 17") monitor. I kept the order of the categories consistent w/ the prev version, which is the order the skills appear in the labor section of any dwarf in DF. Likewise renamed and reformatted the "odd skill/labor" table. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 04:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)		I reformatted the excellent professions/skills table into 4 columns, rather than prev. 3, to be more easily readable in a single glance on a smaller (15", 17") monitor. I kept the order of the categories consistent w/ the prev version, which is the order the skills appear in the labor section of any dwarf in DF. Likewise renamed and reformatted the "odd skill/labor" table. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 04:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== finding dwarves with a specific skill ==
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		+	Each dwarf gets a title based on their highest skill. so your "weaponsmith" gets a mood and becomes a legendary "metal crafter".
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		+	Other than looking at every dwarf until you find the one who is listed on the main profile screen as being a "weaponsmith" is there a screen that shows what dwarves have each skill?
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		+	ie, currently there is a screen for each dwarf that shows each skill they have.
		+	I am after a screen for each skill which shows what dwarf has it. A bit like the millitary screen which shows quickly which dwarf fights with which weapon.
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		+	If this is a feature request where should i raise it?
		+	[[User:GarrieIrons\|GarrieIrons]] 01:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

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	:I propose that rather than two pages we consolidate profession related info (there is very little) into a subsection of the skill page and have [[profession]] redirect to that section. [[User:VengefulDonut\|VengefulDonut]] 14:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)		:I propose that rather than two pages we consolidate profession related info (there is very little) into a subsection of the skill page and have [[profession]] redirect to that section. [[User:VengefulDonut\|VengefulDonut]] 14:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== added "Professions", re-format ==
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		+	"Professions" have been recently found to have more significance than previously thought, so there is ample to deserve its own sub-section. This required some small re-working of "Skills", namely shaping it into a sub-section rather than the dominant article.
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		+	I reformatted the excellent professions/skills table into 4 columns, rather than prev. 3, to be more easily readable in a single glance on a smaller (15", 17") monitor. I kept the order of the categories consistent w/ the prev version, which is the order the skills appear in the labor section of any dwarf in DF. Likewise renamed and reformatted the "odd skill/labor" table. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 04:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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	Altho' they're clearly related, they are not at all the same - so should they have separate pages, to reinforce their distinctions? Having professions redirect here could be misleading, or worse. Especially phrases like ''"Professions" determine only the color of the dwarf..."'' - clearly false. At the very least, some parts of the current page need to be re-written to reflect that much. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 00:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)		Altho' they're clearly related, they are not at all the same - so should they have separate pages, to reinforce their distinctions? Having professions redirect here could be misleading, or worse. Especially phrases like ''"Professions" determine only the color of the dwarf..."'' - clearly false. At the very least, some parts of the current page need to be re-written to reflect that much. --[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 00:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:I propose that rather than two pages we consolidate profession related info (there is very little) into a subsection of the skill page and have [[profession]] redirect to that section. [[User:VengefulDonut\|VengefulDonut]] 14:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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 == Split "Skill" & "Profession" into 2 pages? ==
-Some recent (re-)analysis of the code has shown that the Profession of a dwarf has as much influence on moods as skills do.  Previously, "profession" has been considered largely redundant, a confusing add-on that served no purpose, and was merely an echo of "skills" and largely meaningless in the game - no so, apparently.
+Some recent (re-)analysis of the code has shown that the Profession of a dwarf has as much influence on moods as skills do - perhaps more, and in a way not previously acknowledged.  Typically, "profession" has been considered largely redundant, a confusing add-on that served no purpose, and was merely an echo of "skills" and largely meaningless in the game - no so, apparently.
 See this thread in forum: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=35257.0 (page 2, specifically - 0x517A5D's post that starts "Right then...")
 Altho' they're clearly related, they are not at all the same - so should they have separate pages, to reinforce their distinctions?  Having professions redirect here could be misleading, or worse.  Especially phrases like ''"Professions" determine only the color of the dwarf..."'' - clearly false. At the very least, some parts of the current page need to be re-written to reflect that much. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 00:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)