DF2014 Talk:Saved game folder - Revision history

Jan: /* Rename? */

2022-12-16T08:19:27Z

Rename?

Lethosor: /* Rename? */

2022-12-16T07:27:52Z

Rename?

Jan: /* Rename? */ new section

2022-12-16T06:14:52Z

Rename?: new section

Lethosor at 19:36, 27 December 2021

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Jan at 01:38, 26 December 2021

2021-12-26T01:38:07Z

Jan: reply

2021-12-26T01:37:44Z

Lethosor at 22:45, 25 December 2021

2021-12-25T22:45:09Z

Jan at 21:59, 25 December 2021

2021-12-25T21:59:14Z

Jan: /* Locations */ new section

2021-12-22T12:08:31Z

Locations: new section

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== Locations ==

It might be useful to add location for 'Linux' and 'Mac' and eventually the 'Steam' release. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 12:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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	Can we rename this to 'saving', 'save file' or something of the sort? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 06:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)		Can we rename this to 'saving', 'save file' or something of the sort? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 06:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
	:I am somewhat reluctant to go with "save file" because saves are actually folders. Not sure if the article was intended to refer to the individual save folders or the folder that contains them - I would think the former, but it appears to cover both now. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 07:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)		:I am somewhat reluctant to go with "save file" because saves are actually folders. Not sure if the article was intended to refer to the individual save folders or the folder that contains them - I would think the former, but it appears to cover both now. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 07:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:: I agree, 'save file' is not a good choice. My hope is for this entry to cover everything todo with savegames (hidden init options, ways to backup\export and more technical info about its structure\content. Maybe even fold in [[Save compatibility]]). Additionally, since the location of savegames (and the game folder ) have a lot more variation (version/platform and operating system) I think it's best to cover them in the new [[Game folders and files]].
		+	:: If that is accepted, then maybe rename the entry to 'Saved game' and redirect 'Saved game folder'->'Game folders and files', but I'll be fine with whatever is chosen. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 08:19, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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	Can we rename this to 'saving', 'save file' or something of the sort? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 06:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)		Can we rename this to 'saving', 'save file' or something of the sort? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 06:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
		+	:I am somewhat reluctant to go with "save file" because saves are actually folders. Not sure if the article was intended to refer to the individual save folders or the folder that contains them - I would think the former, but it appears to cover both now. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 07:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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	:: Win7 introduced some changes to security, including preventing changes to programs in Program Files, which caused some issues for games installed there trying to write save within their own installation folder. I presume the location noted is some temporary location where win7 dropped those files. I believe, but not certain, that is still the case in subsequent win version, not sure if it can be overridden by running df with 'Run as administrator' option. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 01:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)		:: Win7 introduced some changes to security, including preventing changes to programs in Program Files, which caused some issues for games installed there trying to write save within their own installation folder. I presume the location noted is some temporary location where win7 dropped those files. I believe, but not certain, that is still the case in subsequent win version, not sure if it can be overridden by running df with 'Run as administrator' option. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 01:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
	:::I interpreted "if Dwarf Fortress is installed in the 'Program Files' subdirectory" to be referring to cases where a user chose to put it there. Windows wouldn't put it there automatically, and DF doesn't need to be there. If putting it there causes issues under newer versions of Windows, maybe we should change it to refer to an example user folder instead. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)		:::I interpreted "if Dwarf Fortress is installed in the 'Program Files' subdirectory" to be referring to cases where a user chose to put it there. Windows wouldn't put it there automatically, and DF doesn't need to be there. If putting it there causes issues under newer versions of Windows, maybe we should change it to refer to an example user folder instead. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Can we rename this to 'saving', 'save file' or something of the sort? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 06:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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	:Does what still happen? I'm not seeing any mention of permissions or related error messages in the article. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)		:Does what still happen? I'm not seeing any mention of permissions or related error messages in the article. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
	:: Win7 introduced some changes to security, including preventing changes to programs in Program Files, which caused some issues for games installed there trying to write save within their own installation folder. I presume the location noted is some temporary location where win7 dropped those files. I believe, but not certain, that is still the case in subsequent win version, not sure if it can be overridden by running df with 'Run as administrator' option. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 01:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)		:: Win7 introduced some changes to security, including preventing changes to programs in Program Files, which caused some issues for games installed there trying to write save within their own installation folder. I presume the location noted is some temporary location where win7 dropped those files. I believe, but not certain, that is still the case in subsequent win version, not sure if it can be overridden by running df with 'Run as administrator' option. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 01:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
		+	:::I interpreted "if Dwarf Fortress is installed in the 'Program Files' subdirectory" to be referring to cases where a user chose to put it there. Windows wouldn't put it there automatically, and DF doesn't need to be there. If putting it there causes issues under newer versions of Windows, maybe we should change it to refer to an example user folder instead. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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 :Locations aren't platform-specific. Saves are always in the "data" > "save" folder relative to the "main" DF folder. While the main DF folder may be in an unexpected place in some packs, I believe we should avoid mentioning individual platforms in this section. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
-:True, currently they aren't, however, with upcoming steam release there will be platform\program specific folder for saves and mods that wouldn't reside in the same places as the game folder. But I removed the info for now until we have more to go on. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 01:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
+::True, currently they aren't, however, with upcoming steam release there will be platform\program specific folder for saves and mods that wouldn't reside in the same places as the game folder. But I removed the info for now until we have more to go on. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 01:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 I assume the note about windows7 (all win platforms?) location is related to program files permissions, does is still happen if one run DF with elevated privileges? --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 21:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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	It might be useful to add location for 'Linux' and 'Mac' and eventually the 'Steam' release. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 12:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)		It might be useful to add location for 'Linux' and 'Mac' and eventually the 'Steam' release. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 12:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:Locations aren't platform-specific. Saves are always in the "data" > "save" folder relative to the "main" DF folder. While the main DF folder may be in an unexpected place in some packs, I believe we should avoid mentioning individual platforms in this section. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

	I assume the note about windows7 (all win platforms?) location is related to program files permissions, does is still happen if one run DF with elevated privileges? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 21:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)		I assume the note about windows7 (all win platforms?) location is related to program files permissions, does is still happen if one run DF with elevated privileges? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 21:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:Does what still happen? I'm not seeing any mention of permissions or related error messages in the article. —[[User:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor\|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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	It might be useful to add location for 'Linux' and 'Mac' and eventually the 'Steam' release. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 12:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)		It might be useful to add location for 'Linux' and 'Mac' and eventually the 'Steam' release. --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 12:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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		+	I assume the note about windows7 (all win platforms?) location is related to program files permissions, does is still happen if one run DF with elevated privileges? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 21:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)