v0.34:Glacier - Revision history

Silverwing235: Rule G

2021-07-28T18:54:37Z

Rule G

Larix: Several minor edits. AFAIK there's no special "glacier ice", non-melting is purely an effect of the freezing biome.

2014-06-03T12:16:08Z

Several minor edits. AFAIK there's no special "glacier ice", non-melting is purely an effect of the freezing biome.

121.44.98.222: /* Underground Pools */ Added note about mud

2014-06-03T09:55:09Z

Underground Pools: Added note about mud

Brightgalrs: /* Glacial Independence */clean up, typos fixed: replacable → replaceable

2014-04-08T22:48:54Z

Glacial Independence: clean up, typos fixed: replacable → replaceable

Wobbataco: Summary: Added missing info, removed needless repetition and streamlined grammar. Also, trading is not necessarily "essential"; created section on trade and explained glacial independence.

2014-01-23T16:05:04Z

Summary: Added missing info, removed needless repetition and streamlined grammar. Also, trading is not necessarily "essential"; created section on trade and explained glacial independence.

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131.169.140.102: Volcano

2013-06-27T12:51:31Z

Volcano

Khym Chanur: /* Some Hints and Ideas */ Fix desalination link

2013-05-15T07:20:48Z

Some Hints and Ideas: Fix desalination link

Fosfor at 17:34, 14 May 2013

2013-05-14T17:34:19Z

Lethosor: Changed article rating from "Fine" to "Exceptional" using the rating script

2013-05-12T15:49:08Z

Changed article rating from "Fine" to "Exceptional" using the rating script

Loci: /* Some Hints and Ideas */

2013-01-10T20:37:50Z

Some Hints and Ideas

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 Some glacier biomes have such low temperatures that your dwarves and animals may die if exposed aboveground for too long.
-Water in [[bucket]]s does not immediately freeze above ground so you can designate an area as a pool, tell dwarfs to fill it, then smooth and engrave your new ice fort.
+Water in [[bucket]]s does not immediately freeze above ground so you can designate an area as a pool, tell dwarves to fill it, then smooth and engrave your new ice fort.
 == Volcanoes and Glaciers ==

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 These factors make a glacier a very difficult biome to build a successful [[fortress]] in, although many players try it as a challenge.
-Also, because of glaciers are often very isolated, it is entirely possible that you won't see a caravan from the Mountainhomes for anywhere up to 3 years. Migrants may be even more rare. On the plus side however, no hostile nations should bother you for a while.
+Also, because glaciers are often very isolated, it is entirely possible that you won't see a caravan from the Mountainhomes for anywhere up to 3 years. Migrants may be even more rare. On the plus side however, no hostile nations should bother you for a while.
 == Starting on a Glacier ==
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 Take a lot of wood, food and drink. Consider bringing extra [[domestic animal]]s ([[dog|dogs]] are recommended, as are [[turkey|turkeys]] for their plentiful [[egg_production|egg yield]]) as an emergency food source, and/or to jump-start a long-term [[breeding]] program.
-Depending on your level of trade dependency, wood cutters can have little use on a glacier. You may want to sacrifice your wood cutter and axe in favour of another miner and pick. However, be aware that wood is plentiful enough on glacial biomes if you can manage the caverns. Alternatively, if you're <s>a total wuss</s> looking for an easier experience, you can embark on a locale where a glacier overlaps a forested taiga to bolster your log supply.
+Depending on your level of trade dependency, wood cutters can have little use on a glacier. You may want to sacrifice your wood cutter and axe in favour of another miner and pick. However, be aware that most glacial biomes have plenty of wood - if you brave the caverns. Alternatively, if you're <s>a total wuss</s> looking for an easier experience, you can embark on a locale where a glacier overlaps a forested taiga to bolster your log supply.
-[[Ice]] is everywhere, so read up on it before you make any major plans. One difference between regular ice and glacier ice that you may want to know before you head out is that, unlike ice from other biomes, glacier ice constructions and workshops do not melt when above ground in the "summer".  The disadvantage, however, is that it is more difficult to use the ice as a potential water source.  Note that mined out chunks of ice, when melted by being brought underground, will '''not''' produce usable water. {{Bug|360}}
+[[Ice]] is everywhere, so read up on it before you make any major plans. One peculiarity that you may want to know before you head out is that due to the guaranteed "freezing" temperatures, workshops built from ice will not melt in glacial biomes when above ground or inside the glacier's ice levels.  The disadvantage, however, is that it is more difficult to use the ice as a potential water source.  Note that mined out chunks of ice, when melted by being brought underground, will '''not''' produce usable water. {{Bug|360}}
 === Digging down to the rock layers ===
-Due to a bug, down-[[stair]]s and up-down-stairs can't be carved out of ice if the layer immediately below the ice is stone. {{Bug|358}} This makes it impossible to get from the surface down to the stone layers by purely digging stairs. The easiest way to circumvent this is to [[construction|construct]] an up-down staircase from some of the ice you will probably have mined out in the space where you intended to dig one. Despite being on a non-ice layer, the staircase will not melt.
+Due to a bug, down-[[stair]]s and up-down-stairs can't be carved out of ice if the layer immediately below the ice is stone. {{Bug|358}} This makes it impossible to get from the surface down to the stone layers by digging a straight staircase. The easiest way to circumvent this is to [[construction|construct]] an up-down staircase from some of the ice you will probably have mined out in the space where you intended to dig one. Since such a staircase is a construction, it will never melt, even if you pour [[magma]] on it.
 === Farming and Getting Water ===
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 ==== Underground Pools ====
-All regions of the world have vast underground [[caverns]] (unless the world was [[world generation|generated]] without them), and caverns almost always have large pools of water.  Further, if the pool abuts the edge of your embark area, new water will fill in from the edge, giving you an infinite source of water.  On the down side, it can take a while to find the caverns, since digging straight down isn't guaranteed to breach them, and there's a small chance of aquatic monsters escaping from the cavern, or worse, not being able to find any water.
+All regions of the world have vast underground [[caverns]] (unless the world was [[world generation|generated]] without them), and caverns almost always have large pools of water.  Further, if the pool abuts the edge of your embark area, new water will fill in from the edge, giving you an infinite source of water.  On the down side, it can take a while to find the caverns, since digging straight down isn't guaranteed to breach them, and there's a small chance of aquatic monsters escaping from the cavern. Even worse, the caverns you find may be completely dry.
-The "quick-and-dirty" approach that springs to mind for this is to simply dig one z-level above the water and build a well, but beware that aquatic beasts can and will climb into your fortress through your well, and worse, unless the pool is at least 2-z deep, the water will be laced with mud. The approach below allows for a safe, clean, sealed off reservoir.
+The "quick-and-dirty" approach that springs to mind for the use of cavern water is to simply dig one z-level above the water and build a well, but beware that aquatic beasts can and will climb into your fortress through your well, and worse, unless the pool is at least 2-z deep, the water will be laced with mud. The approach below allows for a safe, clean, sealed off reservoir.
 To safely (without having to wander around inside the cavern) tap into an underground pool, consider the following diagram:
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 Some glacier biomes have such low temperatures that your dwarves and animals may die if exposed aboveground for too long.
-Water in [[bucket]]s does not freeze above ground so you can designate an area as a pool, tell dwarfs to fill it, then smooth and engrave your new ice fort.
+Water in [[bucket]]s does not immediately freeze above ground so you can designate an area as a pool, tell dwarfs to fill it, then smooth and engrave your new ice fort.
 == Volcanoes and Glaciers ==

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 All regions of the world have vast underground [[caverns]] (unless the world was [[world generation|generated]] without them), and caverns almost always have large pools of water.  Further, if the pool abuts the edge of your embark area, new water will fill in from the edge, giving you an infinite source of water.  On the down side, it can take a while to find the caverns, since digging straight down isn't guaranteed to breach them, and there's a small chance of aquatic monsters escaping from the cavern, or worse, not being able to find any water.
-The "quick-and-dirty" approach that springs to mind for this is to simply dig one z-level above the water and build a well, but beware that aquatic beasts can and will climb into your fortress through your well. The approach below allows for a safe, sealed off reservoir.
+The "quick-and-dirty" approach that springs to mind for this is to simply dig one z-level above the water and build a well, but beware that aquatic beasts can and will climb into your fortress through your well, and worse, unless the pool is at least 2-z deep, the water will be laced with mud. The approach below allows for a safe, clean, sealed off reservoir.
 To safely (without having to wander around inside the cavern) tap into an underground pool, consider the following diagram:

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 === Glacial Independence ===
-Gaining independence from trade on a glacier is a difficult prospect, primarily because of the lack of wood to be found on glacial biomes. However, even though wood is commonly used in the creation of various constructions and tools, it is almost entirely replacable with either stone or metal crafting. However, there are two wood-based needs in Dwarf Fortress that are trickier to circumvent: beds and fuel.
+Gaining independence from trade on a glacier is a difficult prospect, primarily because of the lack of wood to be found on glacial biomes. However, even though wood is commonly used in the creation of various constructions and tools, it is almost entirely replaceable with either stone or metal crafting. However, there are two wood-based needs in Dwarf Fortress that are trickier to circumvent: beds and fuel.
 ==== Beds ====

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	Water in [[bucket]]s does not freeze above ground so you can designate an area as a pool, tell dwarfs to fill it, then smooth and engrave your new ice fort.		Water in [[bucket]]s does not freeze above ground so you can designate an area as a pool, tell dwarfs to fill it, then smooth and engrave your new ice fort.
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		+	== Volcano and Glacier ==
		+	If you embark on a Glacier Biome with a Volcano you might think it would be a good idea to erupt the volcano (dig a hole into its side) onto the glacier ice. This will indeed cause some interesting effects like multiplying the amount of ice, casting obsidian and spamming you with cavern collapsed messages. The ice will become more due to the fact that on molten wall of ice will become 7 water potentially flowing apart in all directions and freezing into new walls of ice immediately. If the water flows to the same square like the magma it will turn to obsidian. Both the ice and the obsidian walls may not be connected to another solid wall so a lot of cave ins will occour.

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 Ice that is underground melts, but creates only useless puddles of water (marked as a cyan double tilde) identical to water dumped from a [[bucket]].  These puddles can only be cleaned.  They cannot form usable water (blue tilde with depth attribute).  Dumping block after block of mined ice blocks indoors will simply result in a huge stack of useless "water".
-[[Aquifer]]s are sometimes present, and magma can be used to melt ice - if that's present. Seaside glaciers can allow you to bring some water in underground, but [[Water#Salt_Water|desalinating]] the water will be necessary before it is drinkable by dwarves (or even before it can be designated as a [[Activity_zone#Water_Source|water zone]] for filling ponds).
+[[Aquifer]]s are sometimes present, and magma can be used to melt ice - if that's present. Seaside glaciers can allow you to bring some water in underground, but [[Water#Salt_water|desalinating]] the water will be necessary before it is drinkable by dwarves (or even before it can be designated as a [[Activity_zone#Water_Source|water zone]] for filling ponds).
 Glaciers are very unlikely to have a source of [[shell]]s.  Thus, you may want to mod the game so that some other material can be used in place of shells for the occasional [[strange mood]]s which call for them; see [[Shell]] for details.

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-{{av}} '''Glaciers''' are extremely cold [[biome]]s, usually found in the northern or southern extremes on larger world maps. The first few layers of any glacier are solid [[ice]].
+{{av}}
 There are few resources on an ice tile; no [[tree]]s, [[plant]]s, [[water]], [[animal]]s, [[stone]], or [[ore]]s are typically included. In addition, the [[ice]] can be several z-layers thick, which can make getting to any stone underneath even more challenging.