Editing 40d Talk:Bookkeeper

My bookkeeper/carpenter won't do anything else other than update records...
I can't get him to go do carpentry, even though that's his main profession!
How do I get him out of his office? --[[User:Tarsier|Tarsier]] 18:27, 6 November 2007 (EST)
: Never mind, figured this out... just had to set the desired precision level to one below the currently reached one.--[[User:Tarsier|Tarsier]] 23:10, 7 November 2007 (EST)
== Quarters ==
(from article regarding quarters demand)
Really? I've only had an office demanded. --[[User:Savok|Savok]]	

At what point does the bookkeeper require quarters (if at all)? --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 23:04, 4 November 2007 (EST)

My newbie bookkeeper does not require quarters. --[[User:Arrendek|Arrendek]] 00:26, 6 November 2007 (EST)

== Infinite Experience Corrected? ==

I'm using version 33g, it seems that at some point this bug got corrected, the bookkeeper will stop working once he reaches highest precision, and if I appoint someone else to the job that dwarf will also ignore it.

Now, all we need is some code that makes precision slowly decrease over time (personally I would make it a value equal to the amount of stocks the fortress has, and have it decrease whenever objects get destroyed / transformed / sold, and only goes up with bookkeeper work, capped again at the maximum stock level)

--[[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 12:38, 5 January 2008 (EST)

:Precision *does* decrease over time, assuming you're acquiring new objects. (i.e. attaining highest precision early in a fortress's life where there are few objects will have little bearing on how accurate it will still be much later on when you've got a couple hundred pages of stocks) If you're looking for a simple degradation without changes to the actual items being counted, I don't see it happening, as it doesn't make a lot of sense on it's own. Once a count is fully established, it shouldn't be too hard to keep track of a static amount ;) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:57, 5 January 2008 (EST)

::I have played a game for 4 years, got all my bookkeeping finished before the end of year one, and so far precision hasn't decreased one bit, I got the bookkeeper job off, the screen shows "the bookkeeper has done all the needed work for maximum precision" or whatever. And I've been trading like crazy with the caravan all those extra expensive bloody vomit-encrusted goblin giant spider silk socks, the fortress wealth is at least 3x what it was since the bookkeeping was done.
--[[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 14:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)
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-==Can't stop my bookkeeper==
 My bookkeeper/carpenter won't do anything else other than update records...
 I can't get him to go do carpentry, even though that's his main profession!
 How do I get him out of his office? --[[User:Tarsier|Tarsier]] 18:27, 6 November 2007 (EST)
 : Never mind, figured this out... just had to set the desired precision level to one below the currently reached one.--[[User:Tarsier|Tarsier]] 23:10, 7 November 2007 (EST)
-::You can also remove them from the office - in the {{k|n}}obles screen, scroll down and highlight "Bookkeeper /Treasurer/Whateverer", hit {{k|r}}eplace and choose "Leave Vacant". Or change the assignment of the chair they're using for an office. Any of those.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 12:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 == Quarters ==
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 At what point does the bookkeeper require quarters (if at all)? --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 23:04, 4 November 2007 (EST)
-:My newbie bookkeeper does not require quarters. --[[User:Arrendek|Arrendek]] 00:26, 6 November 2007 (EST)
+My newbie bookkeeper does not require quarters. --[[User:Arrendek|Arrendek]] 00:26, 6 November 2007 (EST)
-:: I believe that the bookkeeper's quarters requirement only comes into play when you have a mayor.  Before that, all he (or she) needs is an office.  The wealth of your fortress is irrelevant.  --[[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]] 08:00, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
-:::Most of the time, the Mayor and the bookkeeper are the same person, thus you need an office for that person.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 18:52, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
-::::Actually not, because mayor is usually the laziest dwarf around spending all his time gaining noble (talking) skills. Bookkeeper is this lonely nerd spending all his time counting numbers. Funny thing is that all this bookkeeping builds up huge muscles and awesome speed, thus making paperwork best pre-military training ever (for single dwarf). If it was possible to have multiple bookkeepers my entire army would be drafted from clerks. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 13:52, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
-::::Well, they are dwarfs. I bet bookkeeper engraves his coutns into stone.--[[Special:Contributions/94.237.67.204|94.237.67.204]] 11:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 == Infinite Experience Corrected? ==
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 :Precision *does* decrease over time, assuming you're acquiring new objects. (i.e. attaining highest precision early in a fortress's life where there are few objects will have little bearing on how accurate it will still be much later on when you've got a couple hundred pages of stocks) If you're looking for a simple degradation without changes to the actual items being counted, I don't see it happening, as it doesn't make a lot of sense on it's own. Once a count is fully established, it shouldn't be too hard to keep track of a static amount ;) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:57, 5 January 2008 (EST)
-::I have played a game for 4 years, got all my bookkeeping finished before the end of year one, and so far precision hasn't decreased one bit, I got the bookkeeper job off, the screen shows "the bookkeeper has done all the needed work for maximum precision" or whatever. And I've been trading like crazy with the caravan all those extra expensive bloody vomit-encrusted goblin giant spider silk socks, the fortress wealth is at least 3x what it was since the bookkeeping was done. --[[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 14:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)
+::I have played a game for 4 years, got all my bookkeeping finished before the end of year one, and so far precision hasn't decreased one bit, I got the bookkeeper job off, the screen shows "the bookkeeper has done all the needed work for maximum precision" or whatever. And I've been trading like crazy with the caravan all those extra expensive bloody vomit-encrusted goblin giant spider silk socks, the fortress wealth is at least 3x what it was since the bookkeeping was done.
+--[[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 14:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)
-:::That's odd because I did similar (high, not highest, so I could track percentage to next level) and saw a gradual decrease with my precision. Did you keep a *very* close eye on the precision, and turn precision down to next lower level as soon as highest was achieved? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:32, 6 January 2008 (EST)
-:::It sounds like your stocks aren't changing that much. You have a Goblin siege and get several goblin socks (not on the books). Then you sell them off... possibly for food/consumables that are processed/eaten, or for few steel items that don't cause as large a hit to your inventory?--[[User:Stryc9fuego|Stryc9fuego]] 14:37, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
-:::: In my experience, precision only needs to be changed from maximum whenever a stat has one more number added to it (and even, then, do you REALLY need to know if you created 5 or 9 total wealth on top of your 1,756,350 that is shown before updating?). Basically, though I've seen high precision constantly get updated, maximum precisions stays updated until your food starts going into the thousands or your created wealth (or some other stat) goes into the ten/hundred thousands or the millions (or whatever increases the amount of digits).
-: It's been a year since this comment -- is there any doubt that it's no longer infinite?  If not, I want to change the main article, which still reads "At the highest precision level, they will continue performing their task even when they have done all the work they need to do."  This newbie spent a lot of head-scratching trying to figure out why he wasn't working any more! --[[User:phik|phik]] 15:14, 5 Jan 2009 (GMT+9)
-::It's not infinite, but it's quite close to it, I believe. They'll stop working at 100% accuracy, but since any kind of change to the books will knock it down to 99% accurate, even a mildly busy fortress will generate a lot of bookkeeping work when it's set to max precision.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 07:34, 5 January 2009 (EST)
-== Quantum bookkeeper works while paused! ==
-It seems that my bookkeeper does work while the game is paused. It is the fifth of slate, first year, so (since I didn't get a throne asap) the bookkeeper has been working for a couple weeks or so. He's a High Master and gained three attributes while the game was paused. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:05, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
-:That sounds weird. Surely pause = no frames = nothing happens --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 11:12, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
-::That's why he's a quantum bookkeeper. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:33, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
-:Sounds similar to reports that liaison meetings progress while you're designating mining with the mouse. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 12:43, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
-::Aye. I've had those too. I believe they always happen on a mouse-click. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 14:41, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
-:::FWIW, I've had the liason acceleration happen while using the keyboard to designate mining spots. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 10:12, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
-== Why so strong, office worker? ==
-Why does a bookkeeper become really strong really fast? My Bookkeeper is at Professional level, and is Ultra-Mighty!
-What is he doing, attacking the page?
-:You have discovered one of the joys of the current [[experience]] system: dwarves get stats from gaining XP, no matter what that XP is from.  Fortunately, this won't be the case much longer, since Toady is going to implement a new stat system soon (IIRC with the next release). --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 15:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
-::Thought: dwarves don't have paper (or at least it's not a tradeable good). He's so strong because "bookkeeping" entails mercilessly hacking numbers into the walls all day. That still doesn't explain how they become "Perfectly Agile" though... <small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:74.176.98.188|74.176.98.188]]</small>