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::You really think this [[40d:Stone]] is a good way of presenting information, especially to new players? Particularly if they just struck, um, orthoclase? Well obviously you do, and other editors too. Well, I don't. [[40d:The Non-Dwarf's Guide to Rock]] is better, but still far from clearly laid out, complete and easily digested. This is not the editors fault, it's just too much info for a table (so either info is missing or it's bloated). (I ''do'' think, though, that both articles are a valuable ''addition'' to the wiki) If I enter orthoclase, I want info on orthoclase. I don't want to read 4 pages and then find orthoclase on the 5th, if I'm patient and lucky, and ''then'' learn less than from an "empty" "stub" like [[40d:Kimberlite]]. Lets make this wiki usable for all players? --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC) | ::You really think this [[40d:Stone]] is a good way of presenting information, especially to new players? Particularly if they just struck, um, orthoclase? Well obviously you do, and other editors too. Well, I don't. [[40d:The Non-Dwarf's Guide to Rock]] is better, but still far from clearly laid out, complete and easily digested. This is not the editors fault, it's just too much info for a table (so either info is missing or it's bloated). (I ''do'' think, though, that both articles are a valuable ''addition'' to the wiki) If I enter orthoclase, I want info on orthoclase. I don't want to read 4 pages and then find orthoclase on the 5th, if I'm patient and lucky, and ''then'' learn less than from an "empty" "stub" like [[40d:Kimberlite]]. Lets make this wiki usable for all players? --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::1) stubs: A WP stub is an article that does not contain ''enough'' info or might not even merit an article at all. This does not apply here. The possible lemmata are very limited and this will always be a really small wiki. A lemma is relevant if it is a game term. If there is not much to say about it, then the player has already gained enough from knowing ''that''. Short articles are '''good''' if they are complete. | :::1) stubs: A WP stub is an article that does not contain ''enough'' info or might not even merit an article at all. This does not apply here. The possible lemmata are very limited and this will always be a really small wiki. A lemma is relevant if it is a game term. If there is not much to say about it, then the player has already gained enough from knowing ''that''. Short articles are '''good''' if they are complete. | ||
:::2) "clutter": Only auditors[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditors_of_Reality] even perceive that. Not users. We have all the (name-)space in the world. I can imagine topics where info can be too fragmented if an overview article is missing, but have a look at how it's not trivial to even make clear what the [[40d:Restraint]] article is actually about; chains, ropes and restraints (AKA "Huh, why have i been redirected here??"). --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC) | :::2) "clutter": Only auditors[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditors_of_Reality] even perceive that. Not users. We have all the (name-)space in the world. I can imagine topics where info can be too fragmented if an overview article is missing, but have a look at how it's not trivial to even make clear what the [[40d:Restraint]] article is actually about; chains, ropes and restraints (AKA "Huh, why have i been redirected here??"). --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 15:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Right now, when the wiki's just an empty skeleton, users can perceive the clutter quite clearly. And the bigger the skeleton, the more work there is to do. Pages can always be split out later if need be, but consolidation needs to happen now if ever. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 06:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC) | ::::Right now, when the wiki's just an empty skeleton, users can perceive the clutter quite clearly. And the bigger the skeleton, the more work there is to do. Pages can always be split out later if need be, but consolidation needs to happen now if ever. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 06:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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== How about summary and individual pages? == | == How about summary and individual pages? == | ||
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:::Really, that's the one point I don't see being acknowledged by anyone else here. Ores, stones, and gems '''are''' all nearly identical, differing in a very limited number of ways. Individual pages thus add no content and make a lot more work. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 14:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC) | :::Really, that's the one point I don't see being acknowledged by anyone else here. Ores, stones, and gems '''are''' all nearly identical, differing in a very limited number of ways. Individual pages thus add no content and make a lot more work. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 14:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::If you think you can do it, my words aren't going to stop you. None of this talk is going to mean anything until (UNLESS) such an all-encompassing table has been made. Your rational choices are reduced to the following: put up or shut up. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC) | ::::If you think you can do it, my words aren't going to stop you. None of this talk is going to mean anything until (UNLESS) such an all-encompassing table has been made. Your rational choices are reduced to the following: put up or shut up. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:16, 27 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::::You wanted me to do it? Wow. I got the impression you wanted the precise opposite. Okay. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 03:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | :::::You wanted me to do it? Wow. I got the impression you wanted the precise opposite. Okay. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 03:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::::I don't understand the argument "it's more work" when there are people who WANT to make the pages. This isn't a company, we aren't on any sort of deadline, and people contribute what they want to contribute. And if they want to contribute pages for each stone, let them. I myself was quite frustrated with the stone and gem tables when I was first starting DF.-- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 02:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | ::::I don't understand the argument "it's more work" when there are people who WANT to make the pages. This isn't a company, we aren't on any sort of deadline, and people contribute what they want to contribute. And if they want to contribute pages for each stone, let them. I myself was quite frustrated with the stone and gem tables when I was first starting DF.-- [[User:Turkwise|Turkwise]] 02:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::Would you have been as frustrated if they were a) sensible, b) searchable? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 03:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | :::::Would you have been as frustrated if they were a) sensible, b) searchable? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 03:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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