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− | + | Hi There - I'm relatively new to the DFwiki, and I noticed that some of the thread links on the Main Page don't work correctly. I logged in to try and edit the page, but when it wasn't an available option, I realized that it is probably restricted to administrators, given the 'please report vandalism' thing in the site announcements header. | |
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− | + | The Team17 forums have closed, so the Team17 link is a dead one. | |
+ | The SomethingAwful.com forums link is behind a login wall, so I'm not sure if you would want to remove this as well? I believe that they do occasionally rotate forums (such as Games) to be available to non-logged in users though, so it would perhaps be available intermittently. | ||
+ | :*<s>[http://forum.team17.com/showthread.php?t{{=}}30824 Team17 Forum Thread]</s> | ||
+ | :*<s>[http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid{{=}}3466523 Something Awful]</s> | ||
+ | :Agreed and removed. Thanks! --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC) | ||
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+ | The Penny Arcade thread is also no longer available or at least incorrectly linked. <small>– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Ispil|Ispil]]</small> | ||
+ | :Removed. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | The dead links are back. [[Special:Contributions/88.195.209.206|88.195.209.206]] 15:04, 9 October 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Fun Comic == | ||
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+ | What happened to the Fun Comic at the Losing page?--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 21:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | :Weird. We had a problem with an image server a while back, so this may be related. I'll get Briess to check on it. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | ::Good to know (and to help). In case the file's lost, there's a crawl of it at the [https://web.archive.org/web/20130512135455/http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png Internet Archive]. I also observed similar problems over at the [[Dwarf Fortress webcomics]] page.--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 21:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | :::[[:File:Comic df3.png]] doesn't have an edit history ([http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Comic_df3.png&action=history]), which usually means that it hasn't been uploaded, although that could be incorrect. Same for the rest of them, except [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=File:FunComic.png&action=history FunComic.png]. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::I'm rebuilding all the images now. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 21:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::::The problem should now be fixed. It appears any time one of the webnodes loses a connection to the image server, it starts invalidating the images in question. I'll investigate ways to automatically rebuild the images when that happens. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 22:02, 23 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Amount of double redirects or ''how to fix them?'' == | ||
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+ | I come across several cases of double redirection which, as stated both here and in the rest of the wikiverse, are not a good thing to have. | ||
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+ | Recently I found about the [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] page. There are roughly 350 double redirects on the wiki. From experience here, they could be easily fixed, because most redirect to the alternate name of the page, instead of the proper page itself. | ||
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+ | As I've been adverted slightly due to a wrong fix I did I ask now if there are a set of guidelines, particularly because of the namespace usage here, that are or can be used to begin a duplicate removal process (which as stated, would be a mostly trivial thing to do, albeit costly in time).--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 17:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | ||
+ | *Originally, the policy was to deliberately use double redirects when going from the global namespace to version-specific namespaces and then to specific articles within those namespaces (e.g. "Green glass" -> "DF2012:Green glass" -> "DF2012:Glass") to avoid problems when new pages were created (e.g. if "Green glass" redirected straight to "DF2012:Glass" and somebody created "DF2012:Green glass" as full page, then "Green glass" wouldn't redirect to it properly). I don't know what the actual policies are anymore, though - perhaps one of the admins can chime in with more information. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 18:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | ::That actually doesn't work. I moved the grazer information to the grazer article last week, and, until it was fixed today, [[main:grazer]] was still linking to [[DF2012:pasture]]. It appears the wiki software is caching the double redirect, so it behaves similarly to an un-updated single redirect. Sure the errant redirect can be fixed, but so can a single redirect. In some regards the double redirect is worse, because everything looks correct, yet it doesn't work. The underlying fact is that the wiki software was not intended to support double redirects, and it does so poorly at best. The current policy is available at [[DF:REDIR]], though it isn't set in stone.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | :For now, I only recommend changing double redirects to point directly to the destination page ''if they don't work''. They ''should'' all work, but some of them don't and there isn't a single, definitive reason we've found yet. Basically, feel free to change non-working double redirects, but you don't need to go through the list and change all 350 of them. (This wiki is actually set up to allow up to 10 consecutive redirects, unlike most [[wikipedia:WMF|WMF]] wikis, but since that feature isn't used by many wikis it tends not to be perfect.) —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Main Page New Version == | ||
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+ | Toady has announced the new version is due around the beginning of July 2014 (which is pretty soon). This is as big as DF news gets. There should be an announcement and link on the front page. <small>– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:67.170.60.84|67.170.60.84]]</small> | ||
+ | :What exactly are you suggesting? Aside from a wiki-specific announcement regarding migrating the wiki to the new namespace, I don't see a reason to announce the upcoming release here – anyone who reads the devlog or forums already knows, and very few of those who don't would check the main page of this wiki regularly instead. Also, what link are you referring to (devlog, Bay 12 report)? —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Raw errors == | ||
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+ | There is something up with the raws for a few of the trees: | ||
+ | *[[DF2014:Alder/raw]] | ||
+ | *[[DF2014:Ash (tree)/raw]] | ||
+ | It appears to be spill over from the previous entry. Any idea how to fix this? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 03:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
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+ | :This is actually intentional, since comments (i.e. non-raw text) in the raws usually refer to the raws following them (see most creature pages). It shouldn't be affecting the templates that look up information from the raws, but let me know if it is. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Object Testing Arena: Helmet Snake == | ||
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+ | For some reason I cant spawn them in Object testing arena. When I was looking through Syndromes I came across it and saw how many effects it has and thought I might have some fun with it. When I searched for it, it didn't show up? Can someone help me with this problem Thank you. | ||
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+ | == Put Japanese language wiki on sidebar == | ||
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+ | Can't seem to figure out how to do it myself. [http://dwarffortress.if.land.to/ link to the wiki.] [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 12:04, 4 March 2015 (UTC) | ||
+ | :Do you mean an [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki interwiki] link? —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC) | ||
+ | ::Can't really see what else I would mean. We have the french and russian one up there, why not the japanese? [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 04:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::It requires database access, apparently, which I don't have. Aside from installing or putting together an extension to handle this (which I plan to do eventually), [[User:Briess]] is who you should ask. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:57, 22 March 2015 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Sidebar ad format breaks Webkit == | ||
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+ | I have the site loaded up on my WiiU, which uses Webkit as the rendering engine, and I noticed a small issue with the positioning of the sidebar ad. I have div#p-googleadsense.portal at 160px by 655px, right on the edge of the screen. The div.body just inside is 140px by 611px, slightly smaller. However, the ins#aswitf_1_expand inside ''that'' is 160px by 600px - 20px wider than the div.body (but the same width as the .portal). This wouldn't be an issue if the ad was right on the edge of the screen, but the div.body has padding specified for 0.5em above, and 1.25em to the left (using the div#mw-panel CSS). My suggestion for fixing would be to force the ad's div.body to use no left margin (forcing this results in a fixed display until another page is loaded), but this requires a modification to the Wiki's core. In any case, just pointing this out so it could hopefully get fixed at some point. [[Special:Contributions/104.172.191.147|104.172.191.147]] 20:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC) | ||
+ | : Thanks, we'll look into it as part of the upgrade we're doing to the core installation! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] ([[User talk:Briess|talk]]) 03:44, 30 July 2015 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == New sidebar link: Random page in current namespace == | ||
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+ | I have a feature request/suggestion for a new link on the main left sidebar: '''Random page in current namespace'''. Would (at this time) link to: http://dfweb4.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Special:Random/DF2014 (unless there's a Special:Random/<token> that always means the latest NS, which would be better.) | ||
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+ | I sometimes want to just browse through random pages, hoping to come across something interesting I'd not seen before/not thought to search for. | ||
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+ | Random page is not much help because it is more likely to return pages for old versions than the current. I can go to Random by namespace and click DF2014, but then if I want to keep going through random pages I have to keep hitting back and clicking it again, or make my own bookmark to that link. | ||
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+ | It's a small thing but it would be quite handy if there was a link dedicated to Random in the current NS. | ||
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+ | [[User:TheBloke|TheBloke]] ([[User talk:TheBloke|talk]]) 13:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == German forum link dead == | ||
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+ | Under ''Forums'' there is a link to http://www.dwarffortressforum.de/ – however, one gets redirected to http://www.indiegameforum.de/ which yields a “forum not available” message. I suggest to simply remove the link. (I have no edit rights on the main page.) --[[User:Keba|Keba]] ([[User talk:Keba|talk]]) 15:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == DFFD New address == | ||
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+ | DFFD address should maybe be updated to http://dffd.bay12games.com/ | ||
+ | --[[Special:Contributions/88.195.209.206|88.195.209.206]] 10:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC) | ||
+ | :Updated. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] ([[User talk:Brightgalrs|talk]]) 21:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == Can someone fix the spelling == | ||
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+ | It's "dependency" not "dependancy". [[User:Mocha2007|Mocha2007]] ([[User talk:Mocha2007|talk]]) 20:38, 19 September 2016 (UTC) | ||
+ | :Fixed --[[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] ([[User talk:Rriegs|talk]]) 20:47, 19 September 2016 (UTC) | ||
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+ | == B12G Discord == | ||
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+ | Hey, guys, can we have this Discord link added: https://discord.gg/sEeK7kX | ||
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+ | It's a general B12G chat with a focus on Dwarf Fortress. | ||
+ | --[[User:Shub-Nullgurath|Shub-Nullgurath]] ([[User talk:Shub-Nullgurath|talk]]) 22:12, 1 April 2017 (UTC) | ||
== How to create a new language page? == | == How to create a new language page? == | ||
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:--[[User:MathFox|MathFox]] ([[User talk:MathFox|talk]]) 18:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC) | :--[[User:MathFox|MathFox]] ([[User talk:MathFox|talk]]) 18:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC) | ||
::We would essentially be writing a page about a thing that doesn't matter to Dwarf Fortress. I can't agree to the existence of a page that's basically "This subject doesn't exist in the context of the game but here's the reasons why it should or shouldn't". This is better reserved for forum discussion, not a wiki. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 12:54, 1 April 2020 (UTC) | ::We would essentially be writing a page about a thing that doesn't matter to Dwarf Fortress. I can't agree to the existence of a page that's basically "This subject doesn't exist in the context of the game but here's the reasons why it should or shouldn't". This is better reserved for forum discussion, not a wiki. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 12:54, 1 April 2020 (UTC) | ||
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:I've removed the link. Safe to say, we don't need the wiki to be associated with this sort of people. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 21:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC) | :I've removed the link. Safe to say, we don't need the wiki to be associated with this sort of people. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 21:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
− | + | :The "Unofficial Bay 12 Discord" was already not linked on the main page - the only place it was mentioned is this talk page. Are you talking about that one or the Unofficial Dwarf Fortress Discord that is linked on the main page? The latter does have it's #elfposting channel, but that channel is initially hidden, opt-in only, and clearly labelled as a lawless zone. For an analogy, there are many very awful subreddits, but we still link to reddit - (yeah that's a little different but not much). Otherwise the unofficial DF discord is well modded and such behavior is not allowed in other channels. So, are you certain which discord/channel the screenshots came from? [[User:Ziusudra|Ziusudra]] ([[User talk:Ziusudra|talk]]) 22:29, 21 June 2020 (UTC) | |
Since there's some confusion, AlastríonaCatskill, could you confirm and/or provide some evidence that following the link that was on the main page (removed in [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=253449&oldid=251109]) takes you to the discord that you were referring to? The only reference I can find to a discord removed from the /r/dwarffortress sidebar is for a different discord, not the one that was linked on the main page (although it's possible that just the invite link was different). I just want to make sure that we're removing the right one here. If you have anything that you don't want to share publicly, you can PM me on the forums (same username) or [[Special:EmailUser/Lethosor|email me]] through the wiki, which I think is working. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | Since there's some confusion, AlastríonaCatskill, could you confirm and/or provide some evidence that following the link that was on the main page (removed in [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=253449&oldid=251109]) takes you to the discord that you were referring to? The only reference I can find to a discord removed from the /r/dwarffortress sidebar is for a different discord, not the one that was linked on the main page (although it's possible that just the invite link was different). I just want to make sure that we're removing the right one here. If you have anything that you don't want to share publicly, you can PM me on the forums (same username) or [[Special:EmailUser/Lethosor|email me]] through the wiki, which I think is working. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
− | + | @Lethosor, I have emailed you the relevant images via the link you had created. The Discord that was on the main page and removed today is indeed what was being referred to, especially with the confirmation of the #elfposting channel being from said Discord. In my opinion, @Ziusudra, the inclusion of a problematic part of that community, even as opt-in, is unacceptable in my book for a community to be platformed on this Wiki. [[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 03:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | |
Hello, I am the owner of the Unofficial Dwarf Fortress discord. I just want to clear a few things up and open a channel of communication. | Hello, I am the owner of the Unofficial Dwarf Fortress discord. I just want to clear a few things up and open a channel of communication. | ||
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− | + | Thank you for replying here Lonjil. Unfortunately, I cannot trust your take on this matter for several reasons. | |
− | + | # One of the moderators has an anti-semitic stereotype profile picture | |
− | + | # Even if the only place of no censorship is the elfposting channel, and even if it is opt-in, the complete chaos of racist slurs allowed there is completely unacceptable for minority players and an extremely toxic environment. There have been instances of straight hate speech on the channel / server as well, suggesting to kill people of colour and LGBTQIAA+ people. | |
− | + | In short, the toxicity of your Discord's community makes it not just uncomfortable, but downright dangerous for minority people playing Dwarf Fortress. As Tarn and Zach have made liberal-to-leftist political views in the past, the chances of minorities to play the game is higher - and I wouldn't want to be a person of colour signing up for a shitposting channel to only be met with over 10,000 instances of the hard-n word being used. The Discord should remain off of the Wiki until things shape up and all instances of hate speech be purged from server history. Personally I would rather all non-official channels of communication be removed from the page, period, but that is a less pressing discussion than active hatred of minorities being platformed on the Wiki via your unofficial Discord. [[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 12:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | |
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− | + | Small edit / follow-up to my previous message. My friend tells me that elfposting is the most commonly used channel, which goes to show the level of hatred allowed into the community. It may be best to remove the channel in entirety, and make a new meme channel with no hate speech allowed. [[User:AlastríonaCatskill|AlastríonaCatskill]] ([[User talk:AlastríonaCatskill|talk]]) 12:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | |
− | The | + | The admin you are referring to is a jew, who lives in Israel. I prefer to not police people of other ethnicities when it comes |
− | + | to negative stereotypes and such of themselves, they know what they are comfortable with far better than I ever could. | |
− | + | #elfposting is not, by any reasonable measure, the most used channel. It has fewer users than any other channel. | |
+ | It has a fair number of messages, but only because there is no rule against spamming in there. So, nearly all of it is spam, | ||
+ | which was the point of the channel to begin with. | ||
− | + | "It may be best to remove the channel in entirety" this is exactly what is happening, as I already said. | |
+ | We're giving the channel regulars a few days to hear the news, but then the channel will be gone. We already have | ||
+ | a more pleasant meme channel from an experiment we did in April, which we are bringing back. —[[User:Lonjil|Lonjil]] ([[User talk:Lonjil|talk]]) 13:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC) |