Editing 40d Talk:Anvil

== Cleaning the page == 
I've made some cleanup alterations, both to the article and this discussion page. Hope you all don't mind. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 23:21, 22 February 2008 (EST)

== Bars needed to make ==
I've noticed this page doesn't list how many bars are required to make an anvil. Anyone who knows offhand? Seems like it'd be useful info. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 17:37, 22 February 2008 (EST)
:3. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 18:43, 22 February 2008 (EST)

== Getting an anvil from the caravan ==
So is it possible to easily procure an anvil within the first 1-2 years? because if it is, then I'm going to ditch it on the embark screen and spend those 1000pts on turtles.
:Thats a lot of turtles. Get dogs instead. Imagine a swarm of pooches descending on a goblin fortress, taking no prisoners, and leaving no goblin child behind! --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 15:33, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:In my experience the first dwarven caravan brings one.  However they will charge you dearly for it (~1000$), moreso if the anvil is steel (~3000$). Prices are from memory. [[User:Anonymousphrase|Anonymousphrase]] 15:51, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:: The caravan has a high chance of bringing one, it is not certain. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:27, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:::Dearly yes, but a well made stack of food will cover the cost of a steel one so it's not hard to buy out the caravan. I had one caravan turn up with two steel anvils and a stack of plump helmet (5). Seems that was all they could carry :( --10:21, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::::True, but that does take some planning. I never got enough cash (what is the correct dwarven word, the value word...) to buy the anvil in the first year, but I'm stupid and focus on creating goblets, and making enough beds etc for my dwarfs. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 13:57, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:::::Cash in the first year is easy.  I often find myself trading mechanisms because they're relatively high value/item (fewer hauling jobs to the depot), and if you're buying an anvil you're taking a lot of weight off their wagon.  Its not like you didn't bring a mechanic...  Barring that, it is possible to make enough cheap stone trinkets to buy everything you really want off the caravan, assuming you don't mind carting a couple hundred trinkets to the depot.  You had to eat all that stone somehow, right?  I've also never seen a caravan without an anvil in the first year, assuming the wagons could get to me.  (And heck, it generally takes me to the second year to have enough ready access to fuel to make it worth running a metalsmith anyway, barring nearby known magma) --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 05:28, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

I'd definitely been left high and dry by the first dwarven caravan before.  Took me three long years before I was finally able to get my hands on an anvil!<small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DaveLawson|DaveLawson]] ([[User talk:DaveLawson|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/DaveLawson|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
:I second that statement, I've regularly not seen an anvil show up with the first dwarven caravan.  --[[User:Sentack|Sentack]] 11:00, 28 February 2008 (EST)

== Odd anvil materials ==
I have created a zinc anvil (value 200). Is this a bug?
::Anvil (100) made of zinc (x2) with no quality modifier (x1). 100 x2 x1 => 200. Looks right to me. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:29, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::Oh! Wait a minute. You aren't supposed to be able to make anvils out of zinc. What version are you using? I remember there was a bug where dwarves would use a different metal than the one assigned in the task, letting even pig iron be used to make stuff. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:31, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:::Heh, I'd like to have an archive of that version; I want a bismuth anvil. XD --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 11:55, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:::Pig iron stuff... I once had noble mandating pig iron items... He soon got locked in his room for such a crime against dwarvenkind. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 07:56, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
::::Remember that anvils can be made of anything if created by a moody dwarf! --[[User:Termitehead|Termitehead]] 09:09, 6 May 2008 (CST)
:::::pig iron bars count, steel bars might, so basically he wants you to make steel....--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 16:26, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Anvil Quality and/or Material Affecting Final Product? ==

Just to make a note, http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=23783.0 gives anecdotal evidence that the anvil material may affect the quality of items made. In summary, it seems from that post that items of 'higher' material than the anvil material has reduced quality chances (and by 'higher', I would guess the weapon/armor material modifiers). The adamantine scenario is in that post, but the implication is that for a steel industry, a steel anvil would be a good idea. Obviously, more testing is needed, and this might just be drivel. [[User:Blackcat|Blackcat]] 07:19, 26 August 2008 (EDT)


== Fire Safe Anvil? ==

i purchased an iron anvil from the caravan, and when i attempt to construct a metalsmith's forge, it says i need a fire-safe anvil. --[[User:Plstcflsh|Plstcflsh]] 00:55, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

:If you've only just bought it, chances are that the anvil is tasked ("[TSK]") with being taken to a suitable stockpile. Items that have been assigned a task, even hauling, are unavailable for any other purpose. If this is the case, just wait for the anvil to be stockpiled, at which point it will become available, and then build your forge. --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 02:02, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
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 I've noticed this page doesn't list how many bars are required to make an anvil. Anyone who knows offhand? Seems like it'd be useful info. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 17:37, 22 February 2008 (EST)
 :3. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 18:43, 22 February 2008 (EST)
-::Added this to the page. --[[User:Myroc|Myroc]] 16:25, 31 January 2009 (EST)
-:::Or 9 Adamantine Wafers. ---[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]]
 == Getting an anvil from the caravan ==
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 I'd definitely been left high and dry by the first dwarven caravan before.  Took me three long years before I was finally able to get my hands on an anvil!<small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DaveLawson|DaveLawson]] ([[User talk:DaveLawson|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/DaveLawson|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
 :I second that statement, I've regularly not seen an anvil show up with the first dwarven caravan.  --[[User:Sentack|Sentack]] 11:00, 28 February 2008 (EST)
-::To reduce hauling jobs for trade goods you need bins.Anyway, If you don't have the value in trade goods or didn't embark with an anvil just deconstruct the depot.<small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:97.92.221.162|97.92.221.162]]</small>
 == Odd anvil materials ==
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 ::::Remember that anvils can be made of anything if created by a moody dwarf! --[[User:Termitehead|Termitehead]] 09:09, 6 May 2008 (CST)
 :::::pig iron bars count, steel bars might, so basically he wants you to make steel....--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 16:26, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
-::::::There probably was a strange mood that struck a dwarf who created the anvil.<small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:97.92.221.162|97.92.221.162]]</small>
-:::::::An [[artifact]] zinc anvil (or, for that matter, any artifact) would have a much higher value than that.  --[[User:LaVacaMorada|LaVacaMorada]] 06:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 == Anvil Quality and/or Material Affecting Final Product? ==
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 :If you've only just bought it, chances are that the anvil is tasked ("[TSK]") with being taken to a suitable stockpile. Items that have been assigned a task, even hauling, are unavailable for any other purpose. If this is the case, just wait for the anvil to be stockpiled, at which point it will become available, and then build your forge. --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 02:02, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
-::Long past helping OP but the alternative is, {{k|f}}orbid the item you need, then immediately re-designate the build job - forbidding things cancels any hauling jobs against them.<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 16:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::Whatever the case may be, you just invalidated the 'Wooden Anvil' theory: wood isn't fire-safe.
-::::Besides, you need a metal axe to cut down trees ;)  --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 13:32, 11 August 2009
-:::::Naw, I think you might get lucky and have an Elf bring you a wooden axe, and as it's known Elves have mystical ways of getting the wood off of trees that doesn't harm it. [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 19:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
-::::::But what about the fire-safe requirement?  I suppose that a wooden pick could be made first but then you still need charcoal... maybe using a bauxite anvil on magma? --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 10:42, 12 August 2009 (EST)
-== Theory for first anvil ==
-Maybe it was a pratchett thing? but I remember reading in some fantasy/comedy novel that the first anvil, was all there was in the beginning and the creator used it in creating the world.
-Although, diskworld is on the back of a turtle so that might not be the case. But the dwarves involved were very pratchett-ish.
-<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 01:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-::Well, on the topic of Terry Pratchett, did not Toady One the Great "write" the Dwarves into existence, just like in Pratchett's books?  --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 13:02 17 August 2009 (EST)
-== Cannot Construct Anvil ==
-There's a number of sources on this site which state we can make anvils. I have the materials. I attempted, and could not find the command in the metalsmith's workshop. Thinking myself blind, I decided to go through the manager. There are NO commands for the word "anvil" whatsoever in my manager. Am I bugged, or is this out of date?--Kydo 19:59, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
-:It's located under "Other Objects", right at the top, but only if you choose Iron, Steel, or Adamantine. If you somehow managed to remove the [ANVIL] token from all of the aforementioned metals, it'd probably explain why you can't make any. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 04:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)