Editing 40d Talk:Block

Actually the values are off. the base value of wood is 1. But a piece of wood has a value multiplier of 3. And a block a multiplier of 5. Should I add this, this might confuse newbies. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 10:02, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:Raw value, shape modifier, resultant value? I think people can cope with that.  --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 10:21, 5 November 2007 (EST)

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 but the difference is purely in the value
My observations suggest that when marking economic stone as green, dwarves can build of it, but blocks are still ignored. Hellzon or irc said blocks can only be used to build buildings, wells and pumps. So that would make the above statement false. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 12:47, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:You can build walls and buildings out of blocks and stone (some buildings require blocks) but I don't think you can craft blocks. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 15:19, 15 December 2007 (EST)

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 This doesn't apply to blocks made out of metals.
Why is that? in my experience it's working just fine (golden blocks worth 150, copper blocks worth 10... just as they should)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:26, 4 February 2008 (EST)

== Naming ==

Does "block" ever occur in the singular in Dwarf Fortress?  I think [[block]] should redirect to [[blocks]], rather than vice versa. --[[User:JT|JT]] 13:31, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:Seconded. You make rock blocks, metal blocks, wooden blocks and glass blocks. A bunch of blocks, a pile of blocks, you name it yourself.  The game always call one unit of them as "blocks"--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:26, 4 February 2008 (EST)

::Rule N says that it should be called "Block," and is there really any actual problem with it? ''Not'' doing it, on the other hand, could confuse wiki-newbies. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:26, 4 February 2008 (EST)

== Construction ==

Does making a construction out of blocks instead of raw stone allow the construction to go faster?  (I'm thinking along the lines that it's easier to work with bricks and mortar than raw stone and mortar)  [[User:Fephisto|Fephisto]] 22:39, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
: i dont know, it should, you would think, but mabey the time makeing the blosk is greater than the time saved?

: As far as I can tell from experimentation, making constructions with blocks rather than raw stone simply increases the value of the architecture (which pleases dwarves and attracts immigrants).  It is far slower, due to the additional time required to carve the blocks. [[User:Iituem|Iituem]] 11:43, 29 July 2008 (GMT)

::Well, yeah, it's slower ''that'' way - the question is, is it faster if you already have blocks? (i.e. have your mason turning out blocks while you've not yet thought of what constructions to have built; will it be faster to turn those into a construction?) [[User:Random832|Random832]] 14:04, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

== Ice blocks ==

Is it possible to make ice blocks? --[[User:Locolan|locolan]] 02:28, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
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 ::Well, yeah, it's slower ''that'' way - the question is, is it faster if you already have blocks? (i.e. have your mason turning out blocks while you've not yet thought of what constructions to have built; will it be faster to turn those into a construction?) [[User:Random832|Random832]] 14:04, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
-:::Well, since blocks can be stored in bins you can save a whole lot of hauling time when building with them. I don't think it speeds up the actual build though.--[[User:Bilkinson|Bilkinson]] 16:36, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
-::I'll second that, I've been building quite a castle (about 120x120 at the max size) and am 2k blocks in so far.  Switching replacing stone from block appears to have no effect on the speed of construction, although  masonry (I *think*) appears to make it go faster. The hauling time is nothing to sneeze at though, having them drag the blocks to a central distribution area really speeds up the work.--Gotthard 22:05, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
-Testing seems to indicate that construction speed is independent of the material being used - a wall takes the same amount of time to build whether it's made from rough stone or stone blocks. Further testing would need to be done to see if the same applies for wood logs/wooden blocks or metal bars/blocks, but in all likelihood there won't be any difference. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 18:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 == Ice blocks ==
 Is it possible to make ice blocks? --[[User:Locolan|locolan]] 02:28, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
-:I don't think so, any more than it's possible to create ice statues or furniture from ice. Only stone, metal, and glass can be turned into blocks, and water, even frozen water, is none of the above. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 08:13, 19 November 2008 (EST)
-::Ice is treated as a stone when mined. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)
-:::If you forbid all normal stone and make orders at the mason's shop, your mason cancels them claiming he 'needs access to non-economic stone'.  So Ice can not be used to make blocks. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 18:44, 26 November 2008 (EST)
-::::Ice isn't in the raws as a stone type. If it were, it'd have to show up in stone layers, instead of places where it actually made sense, which could cause problems if it melted. Being inaccessible in the raws basically amounts to being unable to make anything out of it, even if it's treated as a stone otherwise. Ice also shows up as a 'glob' if it melts and refreezes, or if it forms from freezing water carried in a bucket or waterskin, so it's treated like other such materials there, too. You can't melt ice into metal bars, though, so it's totally useless in that state, again.--[[User:Navian|Navian]] 18:58, 26 November 2008 (EST)
-==Parry==
-I don't have the wiki know-how, but perhaps someone should add one of those little things at the top giving people the link to parrying and shields page, just fpr the sake of newbies--- Mr.Dwarf
-==Blocks -> Stone==
-Yes, I did just accidentally cause a small lava flood onto my block pile, why do you ask?  Anyway, some curious notes:
-) It is possible to achieve this with a wooden bin, but don't count on it.  You'll have to apply enough heat to melt the blocks without the bin being totally destroyed - Seeing as I just lost ~40 bins of blocks and only have 1 wooden bin which managed to achieve this, I wouldn't count on it.
-) molten stone, and hardened stone that was formerly molten, have no value when looked at with 'k'.  I am not sure if one can craft or build with them.
-) It is unclear whether a dwarf can pick up the undamaged metal bin with molten stone in it - do metal objects have a heat parameter?  If you can, is it possible to trade molten stone to traders - will they light on fire when you do so?
---[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:59, 20 November 2008 (EST)
-:Quite an interesting discovery.  To answer #2, why don't you plunk down a mason's shop nearby and see if the stone gets used?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 02:36, 20 November 2008 (EST)
-::A bit of an old comment, but for #2, the cooled stone isn't actually a stone, but is a '''glob''' of stone which would, if it were merely on the floor, be removed from existence by a dwarf with the Cleaning labor. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 04:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Weight ==
-I think it should be mentioned that blocks are considerably heavier than stone.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 01:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-: Figure out the ratio and edit it in!  It should(?) be a constant.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 07:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-:: Are you sure you aren't thinking of metal bars?  Most stone weighs 801Γ per stone, whereas blocks weigh 667Γ per block.  Platinum nuggets weigh 6420Γ, whereas native platinum blocks weigh 5350Γ.  So raw stone seems to weigh 20% more than blocks.  More specifically, comparing the weights with the multipliers listed under [[Armor]] tells us that stone has a base weight of 300 and blocks have a base weight of 250.  However, metal bars have a base weight of 200.  This means that stone blocks are lighter than stone, but metal blocks are heavier than metal.  --[[User:LaVacaMorada|LaVacaMorada]] 06:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
-== smelting from blocks? ==
-I bought some blocks of iron-bearing ores from a caravan thinking I would be able to make iron from them, but I can't see a way to smelt them. Is this possible? [[User:Hv|Hv]] 01:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
-:Nope - stone blocks are only useful as building materials (or being requested by moody dwarves - it's always a good idea to keep a few native platinum blocks around). --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 01:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
-This needs to be on the wiki. If you're a new user without metal when a caravan comes, you spend a lot of money. Then a lot of time trying to find this on the wiki. [[Special:Contributions/68.32.193.245|68.32.193.245]]Chezzo
-:If somebody's new to Dwarf Fortress, they're not likely to be playing a version as old as 0.28.181.40d... --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:45, 15 December 2012 (UTC)