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==Article Quality==
 
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I'm sorry, but this page doesn't come close to Human quality. It's highly incomplete, lacking several conclusive bits of information. It also has broken links and is terribly organized. I do not see how we can possible pass this on as Human; it needs to be prioritized back to Elven and given ''much'' more attention.[[User:The Architect|The Architect]] 06:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 
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==Parts Yielded==
 
==Parts Yielded==
 
It seems that creatures now do not give the same thing when butchered. For example I butchered some Hydras in arena mode and none of the Hydras gave the same yield of parts. There seems to be a range in what you get from butchering, or is this just a side effect of now having fatness and size? In one case I got more livers from one Hydra than from a different one, how would this either of these effect major organs?
 
It seems that creatures now do not give the same thing when butchered. For example I butchered some Hydras in arena mode and none of the Hydras gave the same yield of parts. There seems to be a range in what you get from butchering, or is this just a side effect of now having fatness and size? In one case I got more livers from one Hydra than from a different one, how would this either of these effect major organs?
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==Parts with Unknown Uses==
 
==Parts with Unknown Uses==
 
Wouldn't tusks be used for crafts as well? I see there are '''Decorate with Ivory/Tooth''' and '''Make Ivory/Tooth Crafts''' commands at the craftsdwarf workshop, and I'd guess that tusks would be considered Ivory, if not Teeth. We'd have to check whether they actually do use tusks for those though.
 
Wouldn't tusks be used for crafts as well? I see there are '''Decorate with Ivory/Tooth''' and '''Make Ivory/Tooth Crafts''' commands at the craftsdwarf workshop, and I'd guess that tusks would be considered Ivory, if not Teeth. We'd have to check whether they actually do use tusks for those though.
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I checked the raws for tusk-bearing animals; Elephants, Walruses, and Warthogs all use Ivory for their tusks. I'm willing to bet these are used for ivory crafts, but can't test it at the moment. --[[User:Warlord255|Warlord255]] 14:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 
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Confirmed that ivory crafts can be made with elephant or warthog - can't speak for walrus.
 
  
 
==Revamping Templates==
 
==Revamping Templates==
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** Skins
 
** Skins
 
** Scales
 
** Scales
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** Nervous Tissue
 
 
* Edible
 
* Edible
 
** Meat
 
** Meat
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Prepared Organs need their own page, rather than just Intestines. Various preparations (such as Tripe) and organs (Intestines, Brains) belong on such a page. I'll be working on that right now, of course... --[[User:The Architect|The Architect]] 05:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 
Prepared Organs need their own page, rather than just Intestines. Various preparations (such as Tripe) and organs (Intestines, Brains) belong on such a page. I'll be working on that right now, of course... --[[User:The Architect|The Architect]] 05:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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I'd offer that "craftable" could be another category for bones, skulls, skin, etc. - or, failing that, placing the useless items like cartilage into a "detrius" category.--[[User:Warlord255|Warlord255]] 14:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
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==edible==
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I can verify as edible all mentioned in the article except eyes so far. --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 17:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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:This is also being discussed [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Centralized_Discussion#Template_madness|here]]. [[User:Mason11987|Mason]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|C]])</sup> 16:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 
  
 
==None of these seem to show up in the kitchen menu?==
 
==None of these seem to show up in the kitchen menu?==
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:I might be misinterpriting the situation, but I believe this is because you no longer have the option not to cook meat. I mean, why would you not? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 03:22, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:I might be misinterpriting the situation, but I believe this is because you no longer have the option not to cook meat. I mean, why would you not? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 03:22, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 
::Nope. Is Fixed in 31.02 - back to normal --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 14:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 
::Nope. Is Fixed in 31.02 - back to normal --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 14:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
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==Animals MUST be in refuse pile?==
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I know for certain that my butcher shop butchered a giant eagle that my dogs killed (with barely a scratch on them too, strangely). The shop automatically popped up with "butcher an animal" and my fort was desperate for food, so I was watching this very closely. It took him a millenia it seems, but my butcher eventually got around to it and landed me some much needed 30 meat, along with various other parts which should still be in the butchers shop. I gave up the fort not long after due to pathing errors so the save is still available to check out. [[Special:Contributions/203.97.255.73|203.97.255.73]] 10:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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:The corpse has to be reasonably close to the butcher's shop to be butchered. Placing it in a nearby stockpile is one way to ensure that this is the case. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 16:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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::Ahh, that makes sense then, the corpse landed about 8 squares away from my butchers shop.Thanks for the clarification : ) [[Special:Contributions/203.97.255.73|203.97.255.73]] 00:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
  
 
==Feathers and scales==
 
==Feathers and scales==
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::I've tried to stay away from the raws for fear of misinterpreting them. Others who are more confident in their abilities are of course welcome to verify things in this way. I'll edit the article to reflect the scale/skin swap. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 18:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 
::I've tried to stay away from the raws for fear of misinterpreting them. Others who are more confident in their abilities are of course welcome to verify things in this way. I'll edit the article to reflect the scale/skin swap. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 18:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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:::I can confirm feathers empirically. Both Giant Eagles and Elk Birds yield feathers, which are currently cluttering up my butchers' shops. --[[User:Nimblewright|Nimblewright]] 16:50, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 
  
 
== beak ==
 
== beak ==
 
A buzzard was killed by a trap and now i have 'corpse' and 'beak'. I would expect a beak is also the result of butchering birds, then. --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 16:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 
A buzzard was killed by a trap and now i have 'corpse' and 'beak'. I would expect a beak is also the result of butchering birds, then. --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 16:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
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:But it is not. Butchering does not produce beaks. --[[User:Old Ancient|Old Ancient]] 00:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 
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::I deleted it from the talk page because no one could confirm, but I wrote a while back about getting a beak as well. I had both buzzards and vultures on the map. Perhaps this warrants further looking into, rather than outright dismissal. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 22:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::Especially when you consider the variability of butchery products. A reasonable correlation needs to be established between the RAWs and the possible products, and that needs to be our test for information included on this page and creature pages. [[User:The Architect|The Architect]] 02:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::Well its quite simple. you can have noses(!) as you can have beaks, from killing creatures, but you can't from butchering. There is no variability of butchery products, except by animal. I have tested butchering a lot (hundreds of animals), and since it is easy to test, just go ahead instead of speculating! --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 13:38, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::::My, one of my weapon traps "produced" a goat ''tail'', so combat produces quite a few items butchering does not. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 00:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 
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:::::: Edged combat produces severed parts that can be butchered. The tail could be butchered for a small amount of meat and bone. A beak is already down to a component part that would be discarded on butchering, so what you see is what you get. [[User:Uzu Bash|Uzu Bash]] 02:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 
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==The beast with 13 hearts==
 
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So I recently killed a Forgotten Beast. It looks like we got him to the butcher's shop in time, despite a goblin siege. I now have 26 forgotten beast brains, 13 forgotten beast hearts, 80 forgotten beast intestines, and who knows what was cooked before I noticed this abnormality. So much for the idea that only one of each type of organ can be yielded. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 16:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 
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:Butchering should be able to yield whatever the beast is made of, given that forgotten beasts are procedurally generated they can have athe amounts of identical organs. --[[User:MLegion|MLegion]] 16:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I think that some forgotten beasts just have really large hearts/brains/organs, which generate more than one "serving" when the organ is butchered.  I'd guess we would need confirmation from Toady on what it means.
 
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I don't believe this is a factor for butchering. Lacking any configuration entries for forgotten beast corpses, these usually wind up in the same few general corpse stockpiles, only 25 tiles from one butcher shop, over 60 tiles from another, and over 250 tiles from a third. The furthest one bizarrely generates the job. Unless I catch it and forbid it while it's in the stockpile to manually re-assign the job (and sometimes even then,) a dwarf will crawl along with a 10k-15k corpse for game weeks to bring it to the most distant butchery. I've even seen dwarves switch the hauling job to another dwarf over halfway, and the second dwarf carry the same FB all the way back to a shop nearer the original pile.
 
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Based on the fact that none of the corpses or their products went to waste through all this inefficiency, I would guess that the rotting process is suspended, or at least greatly reduced, for tasked items. [[User:Uzu Bash|Uzu Bash]] 22:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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It is not necessary for the corpse to be in a refuse stockpile for it to be butchered. A butcher will happily pick the corpse from the ground. (However not if the corpse is already scheduled for transportation). I tried this with a forgotten beast corpse which, for fear of syndromes, I sealed in a small room together with the butcher. --[[User:SGdYy409Ls|SGdYy409Ls]] 11:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 

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