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== Noble Additions and Requirements == | == Noble Additions and Requirements == | ||
− | Added the dungeon keeper noble. He just showed up at my fort in year 1053. --[[ | + | Added the dungeon keeper noble. He just showed up at my fort in year 1053. --[[Idles]] |
I'm "fixing" the change, "16:59, 31 October 2007 Lightning4 (Talk | contribs) (1,934 bytes) (→Appointments - Isn't called bookkeeper, at least when the fortress is new.)", because in my forts it IS called bookkeeper when the fortress starts. Other edits have backed me up, suspect editor was confused--Please discuss this here? --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 15:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT) | I'm "fixing" the change, "16:59, 31 October 2007 Lightning4 (Talk | contribs) (1,934 bytes) (→Appointments - Isn't called bookkeeper, at least when the fortress is new.)", because in my forts it IS called bookkeeper when the fortress starts. Other edits have backed me up, suspect editor was confused--Please discuss this here? --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 15:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT) | ||
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I had the king show up tonight. "The King arrives, dressed as a peasant." I have no idea what the requirements were. I missed the 1051 and 1052 dwarf caravans due to prolonged sieges, and had no immigrants those years. 1053 I had the caravan; a season later a wave of immigration brought my total dwarves up to 37. In the spring the king arrived, along with enough others to bring the population to 63. At that time I was notified that the Captain of the Guard position was available. Only thing I can think is that I hit adamantine during the siege years, and mistakenly built a number of ridiculously valuable adamantine objects. (Door, Coffin, etc.) This has raised my fortress value to 1.3 million. Is 1 million value perhaps the trigger? I have no coins, and no nobles other than the starting 4 positions. I did not appoint a sheriff. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:15, 15 November 2007 (EST) | I had the king show up tonight. "The King arrives, dressed as a peasant." I have no idea what the requirements were. I missed the 1051 and 1052 dwarf caravans due to prolonged sieges, and had no immigrants those years. 1053 I had the caravan; a season later a wave of immigration brought my total dwarves up to 37. In the spring the king arrived, along with enough others to bring the population to 63. At that time I was notified that the Captain of the Guard position was available. Only thing I can think is that I hit adamantine during the siege years, and mistakenly built a number of ridiculously valuable adamantine objects. (Door, Coffin, etc.) This has raised my fortress value to 1.3 million. Is 1 million value perhaps the trigger? I have no coins, and no nobles other than the starting 4 positions. I did not appoint a sheriff. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:15, 15 November 2007 (EST) | ||
:In the last version, hitting adamantine without proper requirement for the king triggered the reaction of having the king arrive dressed as a paysant. Maybe it's the same here. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 04:20, 15 November 2007 (EST) | :In the last version, hitting adamantine without proper requirement for the king triggered the reaction of having the king arrive dressed as a paysant. Maybe it's the same here. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 04:20, 15 November 2007 (EST) | ||
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The position under "Noble" is the noble the chart is referring to. The listing under "Quarters" are the quarters that ''that dwarf'' wants, the listing under "Dining Room" is the dining room that ''that dwarf'' wants, and so on. There is nothing to imply that one noble will be happy with a related noble's rooms - a Baron doesn't use a King's Throne Room or Dining Hall, an Advisor doesn't use the King's Office, and neither does ''any other noble''. So, both a King and his consort want'' their own'' Royal Bedroom, Royal Dining Room, and Royal Mausoleum, and in addition the King wants a Royal Throne Room for his Office. You can share rooms between royals, but that reduces the perceived value significantly. I can find no reference to a "Law of Marriage" on the page - any assumptions not specifically listed or addressed in this chart are yours alone. If this is ''still not clear'', the requirements for individual nobles are clearly listed in their individual article pages: '''[[king]]''' and '''[[King consort|royal consort]]'''. If that's ''still not clear'', I'd suggest asking in the forums, because this format doesn't have time or space to serve your special needs.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | The position under "Noble" is the noble the chart is referring to. The listing under "Quarters" are the quarters that ''that dwarf'' wants, the listing under "Dining Room" is the dining room that ''that dwarf'' wants, and so on. There is nothing to imply that one noble will be happy with a related noble's rooms - a Baron doesn't use a King's Throne Room or Dining Hall, an Advisor doesn't use the King's Office, and neither does ''any other noble''. So, both a King and his consort want'' their own'' Royal Bedroom, Royal Dining Room, and Royal Mausoleum, and in addition the King wants a Royal Throne Room for his Office. You can share rooms between royals, but that reduces the perceived value significantly. I can find no reference to a "Law of Marriage" on the page - any assumptions not specifically listed or addressed in this chart are yours alone. If this is ''still not clear'', the requirements for individual nobles are clearly listed in their individual article pages: '''[[king]]''' and '''[[King consort|royal consort]]'''. If that's ''still not clear'', I'd suggest asking in the forums, because this format doesn't have time or space to serve your special needs.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I just read this and checked my noble's happiness levels and justice levels, and even though they all seem ecstatic lately I have someone who's being jailed for 64 days, which I think is pretty extreme. I have been fulfilling hardly any of their mandates though, so perhaps jail time is related more to mandates than happiness?[[User:Gnavin|Gnavin]] 14:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | I just read this and checked my noble's happiness levels and justice levels, and even though they all seem ecstatic lately I have someone who's being jailed for 64 days, which I think is pretty extreme. I have been fulfilling hardly any of their mandates though, so perhaps jail time is related more to mandates than happiness?[[User:Gnavin|Gnavin]] 14:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
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== Why Nobles Exist: == | == Why Nobles Exist: == | ||
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Nobles exist because Dwarven government is a feudal system; the fortress is just a semi-autonomous local government which must still answer to the King, and here's why: | Nobles exist because Dwarven government is a feudal system; the fortress is just a semi-autonomous local government which must still answer to the King, and here's why: | ||
::Long ago in the Age of Myth, the King's ancestor was legendary +5 in every military skill and took control of everything, killing all who resisted. His descendants are now <s>fat, lazy, whoremongering, good for nothing slobs</s> not as <s>cool</s> personally strong as he was, but they still technically own everything, including "your" fortress. The expedition that went to "colonize the King's land" did so with his permission, <s>usually given while drunk</s>. When your fortress becomes large enough that it can no longer <s>avoid notice</s> govern itself "properly", the King sends one of his <s>drinking mates</s> representatives to <s>screw up</s> "manage" the fortress. The nobles hold the authority of the King, and so there every <s>ridiculous</s> <s>stupid</s> <s>impossible</s> "reasonable" mandate "MUST" be obeyed. --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 12:37 17 August, 2009 (EST) | ::Long ago in the Age of Myth, the King's ancestor was legendary +5 in every military skill and took control of everything, killing all who resisted. His descendants are now <s>fat, lazy, whoremongering, good for nothing slobs</s> not as <s>cool</s> personally strong as he was, but they still technically own everything, including "your" fortress. The expedition that went to "colonize the King's land" did so with his permission, <s>usually given while drunk</s>. When your fortress becomes large enough that it can no longer <s>avoid notice</s> govern itself "properly", the King sends one of his <s>drinking mates</s> representatives to <s>screw up</s> "manage" the fortress. The nobles hold the authority of the King, and so there every <s>ridiculous</s> <s>stupid</s> <s>impossible</s> "reasonable" mandate "MUST" be obeyed. --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 12:37 17 August, 2009 (EST) | ||
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