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==== Unacceptable items ==== | ==== Unacceptable items ==== | ||
− | Elves [[Elf#Ethics|view]] living trees as sacred and dislike the killing of non-hostile animals; they're the only [[Ethic#Ethics of vanilla civilizations|unmodded civilization]] to do so. Offering them wood or animal-derived products will offend the merchant | + | Elves [[Elf#Ethics|view]] living trees as sacred and dislike the killing of non-hostile animals; they're the only [[Ethic#Ethics of vanilla civilizations|unmodded civilization]] to do so. Offering them wood or animal-derived products will offend the merchant, causing the traders to leave immediately. This causes the trader's mood to drop rapidly (which has no effect, as they refuse to trade after an offense) and reduces your [[civilization]]'s [[Diplomacy|diplomatic relationship]] with the elves, possibly leading to [[war]] after multiple offenses. |
− | + | Offering the elves' objects made from wood prompts this rebuke: | |
− | {{quote|Once a beautiful tree, and now? It is a rude bauble, fit only for your kind.}} | + | {{quote|"Once a beautiful tree, and now? It is a rude bauble, fit only for your kind."}} |
− | + | Unacceptable items include: | |
− | * All items made of or decorated with [[wood]]. This includes wood from | + | :* All items made of or decorated with [[wood]]. This includes wood from subterranean fungus "trees", like [[tower-cap]]s. Items made from elven "grown" wooden [[log]]s are still not acceptable. |
− | * All items made of or decorated with wood derivatives. This includes [[ash]], [[potash]], [[pearlash]], [[charcoal]], and [[lye]]. Note the exception for ash-[[glaze]]d [[earthenware]] below, however. | + | :* All items made of or decorated with wood derivatives. This includes [[ash]], [[potash]], [[pearlash]], [[charcoal]], and [[lye]]. Note the exception for ash-[[glaze]]d [[earthenware]] below, however. |
− | * Items made from or decorated with clear or crystal [[glass]], as these items require [[pearlash]] in their creation. Again, note the exception for raw or cut glass [[gem]]s below. | + | :* Items made from or decorated with clear or crystal [[glass]], as these items require [[pearlash]] in their creation. Again, note the exception for raw or cut glass [[gem]]s below. |
− | * [[Obsidian]] [[short sword]]s. These require wood in their production, for the handle. | + | :* [[Obsidian]] [[short sword]]s. These require wood in their production, for the handle. |
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Elves also reject the majority of animal products. This taboo extends to items made from intelligent creatures, despite the fact that you may see elf [[historical figure]]s wearing items made from the hair or bones of their enemies. | Elves also reject the majority of animal products. This taboo extends to items made from intelligent creatures, despite the fact that you may see elf [[historical figure]]s wearing items made from the hair or bones of their enemies. | ||
− | * Items and decorations made from [[body parts]] | + | {{quote|"I see your low race still revels in death. That poor, gentle creature..."}} |
− | * [[Corpse]]s and [[body parts]] themselves, although these are usually worthless anyway. | + | This includes: |
− | * [[Leather]] | + | :* Items and decorations made from [[body parts]]. This includes [[hair]], [[bone]], [[shell]], [[horn]]/hoof/antler, [[ivory]]/[[tooth]], and [[parchment]]/vellum. This includes [[totem]]s, which can only be made from a [[skull]]. |
− | * [[Wool]] [[yarn]] and [[cloth]], as well as all items made from them. It doesn't matter how well you treat your [[sheep]], elves still associate animal products with death. | + | :* [[Corpse]]s and [[body parts]] themselves, although these are usually worthless anyway. |
− | * [[ | + | :* [[Leather]] and [[parchment]]/vellum, as these are made from [[skin]]s. |
− | + | :* [[Wool]] [[yarn]] and [[cloth]], as well as all items made from them. It doesn't matter how well you treat your [[sheep]], elves still associate animal products with death. | |
− | * [[Prepared meals]] made using any of the above products. | + | :* [[Fat]] and [[tallow]], [[meat]] (including [[prepared organs]]), and [[fish]] (both raw and prepared). |
− | * Tallow [[soap]] | + | :* [[Prepared meals]] made using any of the above products. |
− | + | :* Tallow [[soap]] | |
− | Examine your items carefully! Elf traders will reject [[container]]s holding a prohibited item, | + | Examine your items carefully! Elf traders will reject [[container]]s holding a prohibited item, acceptable items stored in a prohibited container, and all items «[[decoration|decorated]]» with a prohibited [[material]]. If you want to sell food or liquid to elves, it's best to use a [[large pot]] or one of their own grown wood barrels. |
− | Note that elves only care about the items they are actually offered. It's perfectly allowable to use wooden [[bin]]s to haul items to the | + | Note that elves only care about the items they are actually offered. It's perfectly allowable to use wooden [[bin]]s to haul items to the depot, as long as you only offer the elves acceptable items from the bin and not the bins themselves. |
− | ==== Acceptable items ==== | + | =====Acceptable items===== |
− | + | Assuming they are not otherwise disqualified with unacceptable decorations, these items are acceptable to elves: | |
− | * Items made from or decorated with [[stone]], as well as raw [[clay]] or raw [[sand]]. This includes items made from [[petrified wood]], [[lignite]], or [[bituminous coal]]; elves aren't concerned with items that were plants or animals in a different geological age. | + | :* Items made from or decorated with [[stone]], as well as raw [[clay]] or raw [[sand]]. This includes items made from [[petrified wood]], [[lignite]], or [[bituminous coal]]; elves aren't concerned with items that were plants or animals in a different geological age. |
− | + | :* Items made from or decorated with [[metal]] (including [[steel]]), green [[glass]], or [[ceramic]]. Elves are content to assume your dwarves fuel their craft with [[coke]] or [[magma]] rather than [[charcoal]]. | |
− | * Items made from or decorated with [[metal]] (including [[steel]]), green [[glass]], or [[ceramic]]. Elves are content to assume your dwarves fuel their craft with [[coke]] or [[magma]] rather than [[charcoal]]. | + | :* [[Silk]] items, including silk [[thread]] and [[cloth]] and items made from silk thread or cloth. Elves don't care if you're exploiting spiders. |
− | * | + | :* [[Plant]] and fungus products in general. Unless otherwise prohibited, all of these items are acceptable both as themselves or as the material for an item or decoration: |
− | + | :** Plant [[crop]]s, [[fruit]]/pods, [[seed]]s/nuts, and [[leaf|leaves]]/bulbs/flowers. Anything that can be harvested with [[herbalism]] or grown on a [[farm plot]] is one of these four, and considered acceptable. This includes non-wooden produce from trees. | |
− | * [[Plant]] and fungus products in general. Unless otherwise prohibited, all of these items are acceptable | + | :** Plant-based [[thread]] and [[cloth]], and all items made from them. The [[Clothing industry#Thread Plants|clothing industry]] article has a full list of fibrous plants, if you don't know [[pig tail]] from a [[pig]]. |
− | ** Plant [[crop]]s, [[fruit]]/pods, [[seed]]s/nuts, and [[leaf|leaves]]/bulbs/flowers. Anything that can be harvested with [[herbalism]] or grown on a [[farm plot]] is one of these four, and considered acceptable. This includes non-wooden produce from trees. | + | :** Processed plant products. This includes [[booze]], [[dye]] (and all dyed items), [[flour]], [[dwarven sugar]] and [[dwarven syrup]], [[oil]], [[press cake]], paste, [[slurry]], [[papyrus]], and [[paper]]. |
− | ** | + | :* [[Prepared meal]]s made entirely with allowed ingredients. |
− | ** Processed plant products. This includes | + | :* "Grown" wooden items. These can only be obtained from elves, usually from elven caravans. These items were made in a way in keeping with elven ethics. Note that these items can still become unacceptable if they contain unacceptable items or are decorated with unacceptable materials. |
− | + | :* Live [[creature]]s or [[vermin]]. Since these can only be traded when in a [[cage]] or [[animal trap]], make sure the cage or trap is also made of acceptable materials. | |
− | + | :* [[Soap]] made from [[oil]]. This may be a bug{{bug|8571}}, as even plant-based soap requires [[lye]], which is made from [[ash]]. | |
− | * [[Prepared meal]]s made entirely with allowed ingredients. | + | :* Raw [[glass]] and cut glass [[gem]]s made of clear or crystal glass. Elves do not examine the material of rough or cut gems they accept in trade.{{bug|919}} |
− | * "Grown" | + | :* Otherwise-acceptable items are not disqualified by [[ash]] [[glaze]], which may be a bug{{bug|4652}}. |
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− | * Live [[creature]]s or [[vermin]]. Since these can only be traded when in a [[cage]] or [[animal trap]], make sure the cage or trap is also made of acceptable materials. | ||
− | * [[Soap]] made from [[oil]]. This may be a bug{{bug|8571}}, as even plant-based soap requires [[lye]], which is made from [[ash]]. | ||
− | * Otherwise-acceptable items are not disqualified by [[ash]] [[glaze]], which may be a bug{{bug|4652}}. | ||
− | ==== Untested items ==== | + | |
− | * [[ | + | |
− | * [[ | + | However, [[stone]] and [[metal]] items, even when [[charcoal]] is used in production, are acceptable (since the elves are unfamiliar with metalworking, and do not know that charcoal is used to make metal items). Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-derived products such as [[cloth]] and [[thread]]. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. Living animals are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]]. |
− | * [[Extract]]s | + | |
− | * | + | Be especially careful with reselling decorated items from other caravans, as non-wood/glass items may have decorations of wood or clear/crystal glass. Note that "grown" wooden items from elven caravans ''can'' be resold to them, as the elves know that they were made in an elf-kosher way. |
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+ | ===== Untested items in .50 ===== | ||
+ | * [[Honey]], [[mead]], [[royal jelly]], and [[wax]] | ||
+ | * [[Milk]] and [[cheese]] | ||
+ | * [[Extract]]s | ||
+ | * [[Gizzard stone]]s, either as themselves or as decorations | ||
* [[Remains]] (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget) | * [[Remains]] (can these even be hauled to the depot? I forget) | ||
+ | * Items made from [[nail]]/claw/talon | ||
+ | * Items made from [[amber]], [[coral]], or [[pearl]]. | ||
* [[Codex|Codices]] and [[traction bench]]es. These items can involve [[parchment]] [[sheet]]s or [[wool]] [[rope]]s in their creation. Due to a bug{{bug|9409}}, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a [[quire]] into a codex or a [[table]], rope, and [[mechanism]] into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a [[wood]]en [[Book binding|binding]] or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case. | * [[Codex|Codices]] and [[traction bench]]es. These items can involve [[parchment]] [[sheet]]s or [[wool]] [[rope]]s in their creation. Due to a bug{{bug|9409}}, they can lose the material definition from these components as part of assembling a [[quire]] into a codex or a [[table]], rope, and [[mechanism]] into a traction bench. Note that a codex made with a [[wood]]en [[Book binding|binding]] or a traction bench made with a wooden table would not be acceptable in any case. | ||
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* [[Scroll]]s made with [[scroll roller]]s made from [[wood]] or clear or crystal [[glass]], or [[Codex|codices]] bound with [[hair]] or [[wool]]en [[thread]]. | * [[Scroll]]s made with [[scroll roller]]s made from [[wood]] or clear or crystal [[glass]], or [[Codex|codices]] bound with [[hair]] or [[wool]]en [[thread]]. | ||
+ | * [[Blood]] and [[venom]]. This is rarely relevant, since they can only be purchased in wooden barrels AFAIK. |