Talk:Main Page/archive3

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The Stop Censorship Banner

Can we get this off of the wiki? This place isn't for political advocacy. --Bouchart 23:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

No. If this bill passes, I will be unable to host the wiki due to the legal issues involved. --Briess 00:44, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

The bills have been essentially struck down. There's a chance they'll return, but I think the banner doesn't need to be up anymore.--173.167.163.13 18:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

SOPA/PIPA have been struck down. ACTA, however, is far from dead. --78.144.215.247 20:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

New version

The main page recognises the new version, but not the new release date. 188.95.42.176 14:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

That's because the release date comes from a different template, which nobody updated. Given that this version is not save-compatible with 0.31.xx, it's very likely that a new namespace will be created to cover it, so it might be good to wait on updating existing pages. --Quietust 14:11, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

A few questions, then:

• Is the DF2010 namespace going to be changed to df31 or similar, based on the version number instead of our placeholder title?
• Will the new namespace be DF2012, df34, or something else?
• {{ArticleVersion}} and Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Current will need to be updated, yes?

Yay new version! --Timrem 20:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

On each of those questions, I'm not sure - I've contacted the admins, but I haven't yet gotten a response. --Quietust 20:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

The main page has recognized the new version but not the new release date, again. Just reminding the people in charge to fix this :) --Merreton 16:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

You can change it yourself, you know. Template:Current/lastupdate. --Timrem 18:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Good to know. :D --Merreton 21:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Typo

"French forum ,Canard PC Thread (Fr)" comma needs to be moved to the left

Editing Guide

I'd like to suggest that a new page with editing tips be created and linked to the main page. I think expanding on this would be great. I especially would be interested in more information on how to do redirects, since I've done some incorrectly in the past (thanks for fixing them, Quietust!). I think it would be an excellent resource for those who haven't edited any other wikis before (like me) and for people who aren't familiar with the particular quirks of this wiki. Hopefully, this would reduce the number of red links we have the next time the namespace changes. --Cali 09:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I very much agree. I signed up recently to help out, and, as a new wiki person, I couldn't find a consolidated source of information about editing standards. The "Centralized discussion" page needs the aforementioned links. Especially the link to the [[1]]Alphabet Constitution. Darchitect 15:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)Darchitect

Yes, the "Alphabet Constitution" should be easier to find, and is included in the link I provided above. I'm glad I'm not the only who thinks this would be a useful idea. --Cali 00:38, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Gameplay Elements: Buildings vs. Workshops

Is there some reason why there are two separate pages for the same thing? And why does the Workshop page have this "Tier" categorization implemented? It doesn't seem to be necessary. I think the two should should be merged, and only contain a brief overview of what each workshop does, with a link to the workshop page.Darchitect 15:11, 27 February 2012 (UTC)Darchitect

Yes. Workshops are buildings, but not all buildings are workshops.

The tier system is an attempt at systematizing the workshops relative to their input and output. As it is unnecessary, confusing, and not directly representative of the game, it should be removed. No article should list workshops anyway, as we have {{workshops}} for that.

I suggest that we make DF2012:Workshop a short general article that refers the user on to the specific workshop articles. --Nahno 23:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)-

Excellent suggestion. I second the motion. I'm going to edit the Buildings article a bit, as well, as it doesn't communicate its concept very well. --Darchitect 20:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Missing on Main Page

irc://chat.freenode.net > #dwarffortress

Site Security

I was not logged in when I posted this but I thought it was relevant to the site. My Anti-virus software detected trojan viruses on this site (several of the individual pages) and was able to block them, but as a reference to site security and to inform the site admin of the problem, I created this section. If this section remains, please post any insecurity (virus) problems detected on the site or any individual Dwarf Fortress Wiki page, the date detected, and the specific virus type (if possible.) – unsigned comment by 107.4.27.40

I've heard users of other wikis complain about such things from the ads on those sites. Is it possible the same sort of thing is what you've encountered here? I've never had any problems here, though I do have a firefox extension blocking ads for me. --timrem 06:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Can't blame the site. It's hard to secure a website for your users when in order to stay up and running you have to allow an unindemnable third party to load arbitrary third party content including scripts. There needs to be laws and regulations making advertisers responsible for policing malicious code in their ads. Until then, adblock is as necessary as a firewall and antivirus.

Incidents

• May 28, 2012: Trojan Virus, Main page;General Discussion; Several Other varying sites (may be over entire wiki) – unsigned comment by 107.4.27.40

wiki software

what wiki software does the DF wiki run on?

Mediawiki --Lethosor (talk) 00:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Ads block my view

I've asked before, and I don't think anyone answered. Can we please do something about the fact that ads block part of the page? --Jumbods64 21:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Dead links

There are dead links to xSpore and Strike the Earth!. Minozake 13:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I fixed Spore, but Strike the Earth (Main Page) seems to work.--Lethosor (talk) 17:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

New pages

Am I allowed to create a new page? I have a Beginner's Guide to Happiness in mind, setting out some of the key factors in keeping your Dwarves happy in the short and medium term.... The Land 22:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Newly-created users aren't allowed to create pages to deter spammers. Once you have completed approximately 20 edits you will be added to the "autoconfirmed" users group, with the permissions to create new pages. Until then, you might also want to check DF2012:Keeping your dwarves happy; but if you would prefer to make a new page focused at a beginner's level, post a message on DF:Page request. --Loci 00:08, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Image problem

It seems that {{sg}} is no longer able to display thumbnails on the main page (or most other pages). I wasn't sure if anyone had noticed this yet or not.

This is the message I saw, which is also displayed for other images:

Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/var/www/dfwiki/images/9/9f/Palace_of_Seducing.PNG': @ error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2498.
convert: unable to open file `/var/www/dfwiki/images/9/9f/Palace_of_Seducing.PNG' @ error/png.c/ReadPNGImage/3072.
convert: missing an image filename `/var/www/dfwiki/images/thumb/9/9f/Palace_of_Seducing.PNG/140px-Palace_of_Seducing.PNG' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/2970.

--Lethosor (talk) 19:56, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

In addition, the logo frequently disappears, as do thumbnails on several other pages occasionally (including Brown recluse spider) --Lethosor (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC) It seems to be fixed, so it could have been a problem on my end.

No, there definitely appears to be a problem with images. I first noticed missing thumbnails after I edited badger at 19:22. The error seems to be tied to ImageMagick being unable to open files on disk. Remote images (linked from wikicommons) appear to work more reliably. Unless the software was recently modified, my guess would be a hardware error on the server. --Loci 20:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Investigating. We had a brief image server downtime about 2 hours ago, and I think it may be related to that. --Briess 20:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. All images should be functioning normally now. --Briess 20:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Glass Industry flowchart

This discussion has been moved to DF2012 Talk:Glass industry. Please reply there, not to this discussion.

I apologize in advance for posting here my predicament, but this seemed like the only adequate place where I could post this without creating an account.

So, my problem with the Glass Industry flowchart (and, overall, the Glass Industry page) is that it is somewhat misleading regarding the production of vials. Vials require sand, not "pure" glass, in order to be produced. I noticed that my dwarves complained a lot about not being able to produce vials although having tonnes of green glass. For all that it's worth, there isn't a page describing how a vial is made. Typing vial in the searchbox redirects me to the Flask page, where it erroneously (at least from this point of view) states that it is produced from glass.

I'm not sure whether there are more items produced directly from sand, rather than producing the glass first.

I thank you for the attention given to this problem. – unsigned comment by 217.129.96.108

Thread links on Main Page

Hi There - I'm relatively new to the DFwiki, and I noticed that some of the thread links on the Main Page don't work correctly. I logged in to try and edit the page, but when it wasn't an available option, I realized that it is probably restricted to administrators, given the 'please report vandalism' thing in the site announcements header.

The Team17 forums have closed, so the Team17 link is a dead one. The SomethingAwful.com forums link is behind a login wall, so I'm not sure if you would want to remove this as well? I believe that they do occasionally rotate forums (such as Games) to be available to non-logged in users though, so it would perhaps be available intermittently.

• Team17 Forum Thread
• Something Awful

Agreed and removed. Thanks! --Loci (talk) 20:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The Penny Arcade thread is also no longer available or at least incorrectly linked. – unsigned comment by Ispil

Removed. —Lethosor (talk) 01:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The dead links are back. 88.195.209.206 15:04, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Fun Comic

What happened to the Fun Comic at the Losing page?--Doktoro Reichard (talk) 21:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Weird. We had a problem with an image server a while back, so this may be related. I'll get Briess to check on it. —Lethosor (talk) 21:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Good to know (and to help). In case the file's lost, there's a crawl of it at the Internet Archive. I also observed similar problems over at the Dwarf Fortress webcomics page.--Doktoro Reichard (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

File:Comic df3.png doesn't have an edit history ([2]), which usually means that it hasn't been uploaded, although that could be incorrect. Same for the rest of them, except FunComic.png. —Lethosor (talk) 21:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm rebuilding all the images now. --Briess (talk) 21:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

The problem should now be fixed. It appears any time one of the webnodes loses a connection to the image server, it starts invalidating the images in question. I'll investigate ways to automatically rebuild the images when that happens. --Briess (talk) 22:02, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Amount of double redirects or how to fix them?

I come across several cases of double redirection which, as stated both here and in the rest of the wikiverse, are not a good thing to have.

Recently I found about the Special:DoubleRedirects page. There are roughly 350 double redirects on the wiki. From experience here, they could be easily fixed, because most redirect to the alternate name of the page, instead of the proper page itself.

As I've been adverted slightly due to a wrong fix I did I ask now if there are a set of guidelines, particularly because of the namespace usage here, that are or can be used to begin a duplicate removal process (which as stated, would be a mostly trivial thing to do, albeit costly in time).--Doktoro Reichard (talk) 17:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Originally, the policy was to deliberately use double redirects when going from the global namespace to version-specific namespaces and then to specific articles within those namespaces (e.g. "Green glass" -> "DF2012:Green glass" -> "DF2012:Glass") to avoid problems when new pages were created (e.g. if "Green glass" redirected straight to "DF2012:Glass" and somebody created "DF2012:Green glass" as full page, then "Green glass" wouldn't redirect to it properly). I don't know what the actual policies are anymore, though - perhaps one of the admins can chime in with more information. --Quietust (talk) 18:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

That actually doesn't work. I moved the grazer information to the grazer article last week, and, until it was fixed today, main:grazer was still linking to DF2012:pasture. It appears the wiki software is caching the double redirect, so it behaves similarly to an un-updated single redirect. Sure the errant redirect can be fixed, but so can a single redirect. In some regards the double redirect is worse, because everything looks correct, yet it doesn't work. The underlying fact is that the wiki software was not intended to support double redirects, and it does so poorly at best. The current policy is available at DF:REDIR, though it isn't set in stone.--Loci (talk) 20:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

For now, I only recommend changing double redirects to point directly to the destination page if they don't work. They should all work, but some of them don't and there isn't a single, definitive reason we've found yet. Basically, feel free to change non-working double redirects, but you don't need to go through the list and change all 350 of them. (This wiki is actually set up to allow up to 10 consecutive redirects, unlike most WMF wikis, but since that feature isn't used by many wikis it tends not to be perfect.) —Lethosor (talk) 20:38, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Main Page New Version

Toady has announced the new version is due around the beginning of July 2014 (which is pretty soon). This is as big as DF news gets. There should be an announcement and link on the front page. – unsigned comment by ‎67.170.60.84

What exactly are you suggesting? Aside from a wiki-specific announcement regarding migrating the wiki to the new namespace, I don't see a reason to announce the upcoming release here – anyone who reads the devlog or forums already knows, and very few of those who don't would check the main page of this wiki regularly instead. Also, what link are you referring to (devlog, Bay 12 report)? —Lethosor (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Raw errors

There is something up with the raws for a few of the trees:

• DF2014:Alder/raw
• DF2014:Ash (tree)/raw

It appears to be spill over from the previous entry. Any idea how to fix this? Brightgalrs (talk) 03:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

This is actually intentional, since comments (i.e. non-raw text) in the raws usually refer to the raws following them (see most creature pages). It shouldn't be affecting the templates that look up information from the raws, but let me know if it is. —Lethosor (talk) 20:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Object Testing Arena: Helmet Snake

For some reason I cant spawn them in Object testing arena. When I was looking through Syndromes I came across it and saw how many effects it has and thought I might have some fun with it. When I searched for it, it didn't show up? Can someone help me with this problem Thank you.

Put Japanese language wiki on sidebar

Can't seem to figure out how to do it myself. link to the wiki. Brightgalrs (talk) 12:04, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean an interwiki link? —Lethosor (talk) 01:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Can't really see what else I would mean. We have the french and russian one up there, why not the japanese? Brightgalrs (talk) 04:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

It requires database access, apparently, which I don't have. Aside from installing or putting together an extension to handle this (which I plan to do eventually), User:Briess is who you should ask. —Lethosor (talk) 20:57, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Update: this has been added. You can use the "ja" prefix for interwiki links. See https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=266849&oldid=266730 for an example. —Lethosor (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Sidebar ad format breaks Webkit

I have the site loaded up on my WiiU, which uses Webkit as the rendering engine, and I noticed a small issue with the positioning of the sidebar ad. I have div#p-googleadsense.portal at 160px by 655px, right on the edge of the screen. The div.body just inside is 140px by 611px, slightly smaller. However, the ins#aswitf_1_expand inside that is 160px by 600px - 20px wider than the div.body (but the same width as the .portal). This wouldn't be an issue if the ad was right on the edge of the screen, but the div.body has padding specified for 0.5em above, and 1.25em to the left (using the div#mw-panel CSS). My suggestion for fixing would be to force the ad's div.body to use no left margin (forcing this results in a fixed display until another page is loaded), but this requires a modification to the Wiki's core. In any case, just pointing this out so it could hopefully get fixed at some point. 104.172.191.147 20:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, we'll look into it as part of the upgrade we're doing to the core installation! --Briess (talk) 03:44, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

New sidebar link: Random page in current namespace

I have a feature request/suggestion for a new link on the main left sidebar: Random page in current namespace. Would (at this time) link to: http://dfweb4.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Special:Random/DF2014 (unless there's a Special:Random/<token> that always means the latest NS, which would be better.)

I sometimes want to just browse through random pages, hoping to come across something interesting I'd not seen before/not thought to search for.

Random page is not much help because it is more likely to return pages for old versions than the current. I can go to Random by namespace and click DF2014, but then if I want to keep going through random pages I have to keep hitting back and clicking it again, or make my own bookmark to that link.

It's a small thing but it would be quite handy if there was a link dedicated to Random in the current NS.

TheBloke (talk) 13:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

German forum link dead

Under Forums there is a link to http://www.dwarffortressforum.de/ – however, one gets redirected to http://www.indiegameforum.de/ which yields a “forum not available” message. I suggest to simply remove the link. (I have no edit rights on the main page.) --Keba (talk) 15:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

DFFD New address

DFFD address should maybe be updated to http://dffd.bay12games.com/ --88.195.209.206 10:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Updated. Brightgalrs (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Can someone fix the spelling

It's "dependency" not "dependancy". Mocha2007 (talk) 20:38, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Fixed --Rriegs (talk) 20:47, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

B12G Discord

Hey, guys, can we have this Discord link added: https://discord.gg/sEeK7kX

It's a general B12G chat with a focus on Dwarf Fortress. --Shub-Nullgurath (talk) 22:12, 1 April 2017 (UTC)