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==Magma Temperature==
 
==Magma Temperature==
 
Where exactly did you get the idea that magma's in-game temperature was 12,568? I've performed numerous tests (mainly involving dropping materials into magma and adjusting their melting points until they actually melted) which placed the temperature of magma at '''exactly''' 12000, a value which is confirmed by using '''dtil''' and examining the temperature of a tile containing magma. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 
Where exactly did you get the idea that magma's in-game temperature was 12,568? I've performed numerous tests (mainly involving dropping materials into magma and adjusting their melting points until they actually melted) which placed the temperature of magma at '''exactly''' 12000, a value which is confirmed by using '''dtil''' and examining the temperature of a tile containing magma. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 17:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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== [[plant]] table ==
 
== [[plant]] table ==
  
Plants and trees are different - one gives food, the other gives wood. I'd leave the trees out of that table.  (There's already a sim table on the [[tree]] page.)  Also, if you're going to do it, do it up - somewhere in 40d there's a plant table with ALL the info - AG/UG, growing seasons, growing speed, end products - lots of bells and whistles that could be added.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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Plants and trees are different - one gives food, the other gives wood. I'd leave the trees out of that table.  (There's already a sim table on the [[tree]] page.)  Also, if you're going to do it, do it up - in 40d there's a plant table with ALL the info - AG/UG, growing seasons, growing speed, end products - lots of bells and whistles that could be added.  Check out the AV link to the existing 40d page - no reason to reinvent the wheel (except for practice). --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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a general plant table because they share an object in the raws.
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If you see something they have in common - and can still draw a distinction between "crop plants" and "wood plants" for articles on those - then by all means, run with it!  I just didn't want to see you put effort into something that would be half-redundant and so then get edited down later as such.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:22, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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I'm not quite sure why you made the {{tl|unlessempty}} template, since MediaWiki natively provides the exact functionality you were looking for - if you try to insert a template parameter using the syntax <nowiki>{{{paramname|default}}}</nowiki>, then it will use the value "default" if no value is specified when the template is actually transcluded. I've drastically simplified the {{tl|plant table row}} template, making {{tl|unlessempty}} unnecessary. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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:I used that template because {{{paramname|default}}} doesn't work when a parameter is defined as blank. --[[User:Eagle0600|Eagle0600]] 15:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Plants for Deletion ==
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Please don't tag articles for deletion if they have a well written article version in another namespace - it breaks links if they're deleted, they've yet to be verified (and thus are empty), and provide a helpful header to other versions of the article for reference (so we won't be deleting them anyways).  Also, it creates more work for the admins. Thanks! --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 19:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Article names ==
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Please only capitalize the first letter of article names. It makes links more difficult to keep track of if this convention isn't followed. You can see other conventions [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal|here]]. Also, welcome to the wiki! [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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:Chief Medical Dwarf, while perhaps a proper noun, isn't the sort of proper noun the policies refer to. Basically only capitalize the first word unless subsequent words are the type that are always capitalized, like "Monday" or "I". [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 01:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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::It's a title. If you were writing it, you would '''always''' write it with capitals. Why should that be different for the titles? It just looks... odd. --[[User:Eagle0600|Eagle0600]] 01:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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:::It's a software reason really, people aren't likely to link to <nowiki>[[Chief Medical Dwarf]]</nowiki>. They'd probably type <nowiki>[[chief medical dwarf]]</nowiki>. That's the way it is, there's no point in arguing it. [[user:Emi|<span style="color:#8a4e4e">Emi</span>]] [[user_talk:Emi|<span style="color:#6a3e4e">[T]</span>]] 02:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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::::Actually, ALL the recent articles link to <nowiki>{{L|Chief Medical Dwarf}}</nowiki>. It's easier that way because that way they don't have to type <nowiki>{{L|Chief medical dwarf|Chief Medical Dwarf}}</nowiki>. If that's the way you admins want it done, then that's the way I'll do it, but it's wrong. It reads badly, and it's inefficient. Then again, the same could be said of this discussion. --[[User:Eagle0600|Eagle0600]] 02:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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:::::<s>The wiki's [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal#N|Community Portal]] specifies, for "Rule N", that page names should be singular and lowercase (aside from the first letter, but that doesn't matter with MediaWiki). Thus, "Chief medical dwarf" is what should be used. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 02:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)</s>
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::::::Bottom line, it doesn't matter if it's a "title" - it matters how it's spelled in-game. And in-game it's cmd, not CMD. (Altho' when I first read this, I remembered it as "CMD" - I agree it "should" be, but common sense and RL concerns don't dictate the "truth" of this wiki.) Lastly, if you make a change, and someone changes it back, don't just change it again - that's called an "edit war", and is against the rules. That's when you go to a Talk page (pro'ly of the article) and hash it out.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 02:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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::::::: Sorry about the "edit war" thing. I'll try to avoid that in future. And how it's spelt in-game? Okay. Thankyou. All I wanted was a reason, and all you were giving me was either false or fluff. So thankyou for giving me at least '''some reason''' to do it your way. --[[User:Eagle0600|Eagle0600]] 02:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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Magma Temperature[edit]

Where exactly did you get the idea that magma's in-game temperature was 12,568? I've performed numerous tests (mainly involving dropping materials into magma and adjusting their melting points until they actually melted) which placed the temperature of magma at exactly 12000, a value which is confirmed by using dtil and examining the temperature of a tile containing magma. --Quietust 17:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  • Sorry, it was from a forum post. I realise my mistake now, but I'm too embarrassed to undo it. Could you please fix it? --Eagle0600 03:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
    • I already reverted it. --Quietust 04:01, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

plant table[edit]

Plants and trees are different - one gives food, the other gives wood. I'd leave the trees out of that table. (There's already a sim table on the tree page.) Also, if you're going to do it, do it up - in 40d there's a plant table with ALL the info - AG/UG, growing seasons, growing speed, end products - lots of bells and whistles that could be added. Check out the AV link to the existing 40d page - no reason to reinvent the wheel (except for practice). --Albedo 05:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

a general plant table because they share an object in the raws.

If you see something they have in common - and can still draw a distinction between "crop plants" and "wood plants" for articles on those - then by all means, run with it! I just didn't want to see you put effort into something that would be half-redundant and so then get edited down later as such.--Albedo 05:22, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Template Parameters[edit]

I'm not quite sure why you made the {{unlessempty}} template, since MediaWiki natively provides the exact functionality you were looking for - if you try to insert a template parameter using the syntax {{{paramname|default}}}, then it will use the value "default" if no value is specified when the template is actually transcluded. I've drastically simplified the {{plant table row}} template, making {{unlessempty}} unnecessary. --Quietust 13:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I used that template because default doesn't work when a parameter is defined as blank. --Eagle0600 15:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Plants for Deletion[edit]

Please don't tag articles for deletion if they have a well written article version in another namespace - it breaks links if they're deleted, they've yet to be verified (and thus are empty), and provide a helpful header to other versions of the article for reference (so we won't be deleting them anyways). Also, it creates more work for the admins. Thanks! --Briess 19:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Article names[edit]

Please only capitalize the first letter of article names. It makes links more difficult to keep track of if this convention isn't followed. You can see other conventions here. Also, welcome to the wiki! VengefulDonut 12:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Chief Medical Dwarf, while perhaps a proper noun, isn't the sort of proper noun the policies refer to. Basically only capitalize the first word unless subsequent words are the type that are always capitalized, like "Monday" or "I". Emi [T] 01:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
It's a title. If you were writing it, you would always write it with capitals. Why should that be different for the titles? It just looks... odd. --Eagle0600 01:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
It's a software reason really, people aren't likely to link to [[Chief Medical Dwarf]]. They'd probably type [[chief medical dwarf]]. That's the way it is, there's no point in arguing it. Emi [T] 02:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Actually, ALL the recent articles link to {{L|Chief Medical Dwarf}}. It's easier that way because that way they don't have to type {{L|Chief medical dwarf|Chief Medical Dwarf}}. If that's the way you admins want it done, then that's the way I'll do it, but it's wrong. It reads badly, and it's inefficient. Then again, the same could be said of this discussion. --Eagle0600 02:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
The wiki's Community Portal specifies, for "Rule N", that page names should be singular and lowercase (aside from the first letter, but that doesn't matter with MediaWiki). Thus, "Chief medical dwarf" is what should be used. --Quietust 02:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Bottom line, it doesn't matter if it's a "title" - it matters how it's spelled in-game. And in-game it's cmd, not CMD. (Altho' when I first read this, I remembered it as "CMD" - I agree it "should" be, but common sense and RL concerns don't dictate the "truth" of this wiki.) Lastly, if you make a change, and someone changes it back, don't just change it again - that's called an "edit war", and is against the rules. That's when you go to a Talk page (pro'ly of the article) and hash it out.--Albedo 02:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about the "edit war" thing. I'll try to avoid that in future. And how it's spelt in-game? Okay. Thankyou. All I wanted was a reason, and all you were giving me was either false or fluff. So thankyou for giving me at least some reason to do it your way. --Eagle0600 02:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)