v0.31 Talk:Embark

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Never embark without elves or goblins. Elves bring superawesome animals ( I made a giant forest spider which is like the giant cave spider just in a forest and the elves brought me three of them in the second year) and various plants like whip vine and sunberries. And goblins, well, they make Fun.--Niggy 19:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll second that. You gotta have hostiles, unless you want a peaceful farming town or a megaproject on an island. --TomiTapio 22:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Layers on Embark Screen

Looks like you can no longer see the specific layers of soil and stone on embark. In .31.19 you just get a general description of what sort of geology is at the site. "Clay," "soil," "flux stone," and "metals" along with some description of how deep and how abundant they are is what I've seen. Octorok 22:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Less soil doesn't mean more stone and minerals.

Whoever added this is wrong. The number of z-levels before you reach the magma sea is highly variable. You could have three soil layers and still have 100 z-levels before you hit bottom. Or you could have no soil and only 40 z-levels. The amount and type of minerals available is much more a function of the types of layers, not the number. For instance, a million layers of basalt won't get you any iron, but a few layers of limestone will get you a ton. I'm removing this, sorry whoever added it. GhostDwemer

That was me, and I meant the variety of different stone layers, not the total number of z-levels they span. Does it so there can be a greater variety of layers than shown? Khym Chanur 00:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. The embark screen only shows the first eight layers. There can be more below.– unsigned comment by GhostDwemer

Play Now, Fisherdwarf

I just did a "Play Now!", and my Fisherdwarf does NOT have any social skills (just Novice Fisherdwarf), but he was still assigned as the Expedition Leader and I can assign labors just fine. Also, it's highly likely that the listed Dabbling skills were learned immediately after embarking, while said dwarf was talking to the others. --Quietust 17:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Play Now, worldgen titles?

It's suggested that the initial 7 dwarves can come from worldgen. Some actual proof of this claim (e.g. savegame) would be nice. --Quietust 17:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Verification

• could not replicate the "double fish crash" – unsigned comment by LemonFrosted

"Fish are double-listed in the embark items screen. If you choose both fish the game will crash.Verify"

This is false; I've embarked with two separate barrels of cave lobsters twice now. I'm deleting this from the article. --Zombiejustice 18:07, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Ya that's BS.--Mrdudeguy 18:22, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I added that because it was on the "Known bugs" page. I'll go remove it from that then, as it seems this is false.– unsigned comment by Garanis

No trade

Some of the civilizations in my embark screen have a "no trade" tag. What does it mean? --151.49.233.194 13:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• they won't send any caravan --94.217.127.76 14:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

make up your mind..

• "Don't Really Need That - unless you have tailored your embark for metal production quick and early, an anvil is unnecessary and the 100 points you get from refunding it can be better spent on skills or additional foodstuffs"
• "Yes, I Do Need That - never leave without an anvil, since nothing guarantees the first caravan will even have one for sale.

which one is it...? do, or don't?--DJ Devil 14:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, as they are different strategies. For me, an anvil is not a necessity. I've embarked plenty (mostly due to bugs!) and it seems like the items the first caravan brings are always the same, and include a steel and iron anvil. The first traders in 40d seemed to bring a lot more random stuff. Anybody?--Kwieland 20:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I've had several maps where no dwarven caravan EVER showed up (thus no anvil to buy)! I don't know if this is intended or why it happens, but it does happen from time to time.FleshForge 20:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the dwarven caravan not appearing is because your parent civilization died during worldgen. --DeMatt 14:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Several days ago (playing 0.31.18) my first dwarven caravan didn't bring any anvil. It's not so unusual.--WwWraith 22:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Size of embark squares

Not sure if this is noted anywhere on the wiki, but I think it might be useful to know that a single square on embark equates to a 48 by 48 square in fortress mode. Useful if you need to know a minimum size embark for that megaproject you're cooking up. Jjdorf 22:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

So the minimum embark of 2x2 is sized 96x96. --TomiTapio 22:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

"Bone carving is next to worthless"?

I'm curious why Proteus feels bone carving is "next to worthless". Did he simply mean worthless as an embark skill, given that you'll quickly level it up? Or does he not churn out thousands upon thousands of dwarfbucks worth of bone/horn crafts to trade to the elves, and hundreds of bone bolts for hunters/military, like I do? --Greycat 12:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wood, stone and metal are easier to come by than bones. Bone bolts are probably as bad as the wooden ones. --TomiTapio 22:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's harder to get bone, a single hunter killing large critters produces way more bone than even 2-3 crafters can use up.--FleshForge 20:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Bone carvers are tremendous. When carvers are ordered to make bones, they make five for each bone in the stack, one job at a time. A single draltha can yield hundreds of training bolts! Anyone who thinks bone carving is next to worthless is missing out. Bone bolts are fully capable of killing goblins, too. JohnnyMadhouse 21:20, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Embark with trolls

After downloading the most recent version of DF (0.31.12) I generated a new world and embarked on a site found with the tool. While i was examining my "dwarves", preparing for the embark, i noticed in the description that they were "huge humanoid monster with coarse fur, large tusks and horns"... Confused, I confirmed the embark nonetheless, but after striking the earth my "dwarves" were represented by the letter T, their description was the one usually given to trolls, and it seems like I could butcher them... It seems like i embarked with seven trolls instead of Dwarves! I assume it is a bug, right? --151.49.255.40 13:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Armor user

Is there any advantage in leveling armor user before embarking? – unsigned comment by 91.10.249.49

The dwarf in question can use armor (as in, "not shields") better. Since you'd have to buy a bunch of armor to protect said dwarf... I think Shield User and Dodger are both better skills - the one requires only a shield, while the other needs no gear. Or you could go for more offense and add Fighter skill to your chosen melee weapon skill. --DeMatt 14:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

.19 update

can someone update this for the new finder?

Function overlap: Starting Builds

The entire prepare carefully section is a duplication in function, if not form, of Starting Build. I'm going to rationally disperse the information between the two and do the relevant merging. --Squirrelloid 09:30, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

"You can start your fortress with just 118☼ worth of items"

You can start your fortress with just 124 118☼ worth of items (iron anvil - 100☼, 3 copper nuggets for 2 picks and an axe - 18☼; logs can be gathered from deconstructing the wagon - 0☼).

I just tried this, but there was no fire-safe stone to make the forge. Unless I'm missing something, this should be corrected. --189.34.50.57 00:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)