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The armor page says that copper > iron > bronze > steel, but unless major changes have been made, I'm pretty sure bronze is worse than iron. Anyone confirm that bronze indeed outshines iron? | The armor page says that copper > iron > bronze > steel, but unless major changes have been made, I'm pretty sure bronze is worse than iron. Anyone confirm that bronze indeed outshines iron? | ||
:A short session of testing in the arena of equally-skilled, equally-armed dwarves, one squad in bronze armor and the other in iron armor, ended with all bronze-wearing dwarves alive, and all iron-wearing dwarves dead. The order indicated on the page seems correct. --[[User:Timrem|Timrem]] 17:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC) | :A short session of testing in the arena of equally-skilled, equally-armed dwarves, one squad in bronze armor and the other in iron armor, ended with all bronze-wearing dwarves alive, and all iron-wearing dwarves dead. The order indicated on the page seems correct. --[[User:Timrem|Timrem]] 17:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Group tests with large control groups are not the best way to test materials, due to the outnumber snowball effect. I just did a 20-group test with 4vs4 per group, all competent with iron swords. It seems to be mostly a tie, with a slight leaning toward iron. It seems that both bronze and iron are near equal materials, with iron having a slight advantage due to its lighter weight. | ||
Revision as of 19:45, 15 March 2012
Layers
In different parts of the article, we have two different orderings of layers:
- Under < Over < Armour < Cover
- Under < Armour < Over < Cover
I'd assume the first is correct, but I've never played adventure mode, and I don't pay that close attention to see what my dwarves are wearing. If someone could confirm which order layers actually occur in, the incorrect line should be changed. --Timrem 02:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Bars
Since .34 some metal weapons/armour take more than one bar to forge. Would it be suitable for someone to add the costs to the respective tables?
From my own experience (smelting done in game without mods right now);
- Weapons: 1 bar
- Gauntlets: 1 bar (for a matching pair)
- High Boot: 1 bar (for two)
- Shield: 1 bar
- Mail Shirt: 2 bars
- Greaves: 2 bars
- Breastplate: 3 bars
Others (namely low boots, leggings, caps, bucklers) unknown at the moment, but I can't imagine the less-covering counterparts taking more.
These values can probably be determined from the raws by someone more skilled than I, though i'm happy to experiment more to gather data.
- "The number of bars needed to make a piece of metal armor is equal to the material size divided by 3."
- It's covered already in the article. Thanks, though. --74.102.139.234 12:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Armor comparison
The armor page says that copper > iron > bronze > steel, but unless major changes have been made, I'm pretty sure bronze is worse than iron. Anyone confirm that bronze indeed outshines iron?
- A short session of testing in the arena of equally-skilled, equally-armed dwarves, one squad in bronze armor and the other in iron armor, ended with all bronze-wearing dwarves alive, and all iron-wearing dwarves dead. The order indicated on the page seems correct. --Timrem 17:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
- Group tests with large control groups are not the best way to test materials, due to the outnumber snowball effect. I just did a 20-group test with 4vs4 per group, all competent with iron swords. It seems to be mostly a tie, with a slight leaning toward iron. It seems that both bronze and iron are near equal materials, with iron having a slight advantage due to its lighter weight.