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:Actually, when you're dealing with gear assemblies, levers '''DO''' send a "toggle" signal. However, it's also apparent that you did the test wrong - the first design guideline states that "Levers and pressure plates should be linked to a gear assembly in the ''on'' state. For reference, a lever is ''off'' when built.", and your levers were linked while in the "off" state. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC) | :Actually, when you're dealing with gear assemblies, levers '''DO''' send a "toggle" signal. However, it's also apparent that you did the test wrong - the first design guideline states that "Levers and pressure plates should be linked to a gear assembly in the ''on'' state. For reference, a lever is ''off'' when built.", and your levers were linked while in the "off" state. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
::There's also the fact that the stuff in this article doesn't really work when dealing with pressure plates, since pressure plates can't easily be linked when "on". --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC) | ::There's also the fact that the stuff in this article doesn't really work when dealing with pressure plates, since pressure plates can't easily be linked when "on". --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 21:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | :::I realized a minute ago (and edited the text in my movie) that they were toggling, as the pre-toggling lever switched the gears to OFF and the input levers then switched them back to ON. It's just that the gate seems to be an OR gate instead of a NAND gate when linked up the way I did it (I did miss the part about toggling the levers to ON before linking them). Now why would you have to have your levers ON instead of OFF? It's not so useful if you can't use pressure plates with it. Surely the gates could be designed to accomodate default lever and pressure plate states, hell, switching the OR and NAND gate designs would likely make those work with pressure plates. --[[User:SL|SL]] 21:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC) | + | :::I realized a minute ago (and edited the text in my movie) that they were toggling, as the pre-toggling lever switched the gears to OFF and the input levers then switched them back to ON. It's just that the gate seems to be an OR gate instead of a NAND gate when linked up the way I did it (I did miss the part about toggling the levers to ON before linking them). Now why would you have to have your levers ON instead of OFF? It's not so useful if you can't use pressure plates with it. Surely the gates could be designed to accomodate default lever and pressure plate states, hell, switching the OR and NAND gate designs and dropping the levers-ON-before-linking requirement would likely make those work with pressure plates. --[[User:SL|SL]] 21:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC) |
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Did you test any of this before writing this up and linking to it from the mechanical logic page? This doesn't work the way you seem to think. Once your inputs have toggled once, your pre-toggled gears will revert back to normal and you will, for instance, instead of a NAND gate, have an OR gate. When an object sends a state, it sends an OFF/ON signal corresponding to the input's state. It does not send a TOGGLE-STATE signal. Here, I built one of them and tested it: Your NAND gate is actually an OR gate, because pre-toggling doesn't do what you think it does. http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2151-pre-togglednandbecominganorgate --SL 20:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, when you're dealing with gear assemblies, levers DO send a "toggle" signal. However, it's also apparent that you did the test wrong - the first design guideline states that "Levers and pressure plates should be linked to a gear assembly in the on state. For reference, a lever is off when built.", and your levers were linked while in the "off" state. --Quietust 21:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- There's also the fact that the stuff in this article doesn't really work when dealing with pressure plates, since pressure plates can't easily be linked when "on". --Quietust 21:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- I realized a minute ago (and edited the text in my movie) that they were toggling, as the pre-toggling lever switched the gears to OFF and the input levers then switched them back to ON. It's just that the gate seems to be an OR gate instead of a NAND gate when linked up the way I did it (I did miss the part about toggling the levers to ON before linking them). Now why would you have to have your levers ON instead of OFF? It's not so useful if you can't use pressure plates with it. Surely the gates could be designed to accomodate default lever and pressure plate states, hell, switching the OR and NAND gate designs and dropping the levers-ON-before-linking requirement would likely make those work with pressure plates. --SL 21:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- There's also the fact that the stuff in this article doesn't really work when dealing with pressure plates, since pressure plates can't easily be linked when "on". --Quietust 21:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)