User talk:Gzalzi

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I noted your recent chastising of a person's Talk-page question, and I figured I'd point out to you Rule D. We do encourage questions; they help in letting us DFWiki-contributors know what needs improving in the relevant article. Please try to limit irrelevant contributions, such as "go to some other website to ask questions", to a minimum. --DeMatt 07:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

And how is what I said irrelevant? Questions about gameplay and questions about the article are quite different. "Shouldn't the article contain information x?" is different from "How do I solve minor problem x?" Anyone who needs answers to questions like that should go to the Dwarf Fortress Forums, because a lot of the time, the questions are never replied to here. --Gzalzi 19:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Main namespace redirects

I don't recall exactly where it's stated, but the current policy for redirects from the main namespace is that they should always point to the cv: namespace article of the same name, and that the version-specific namespace should then redirect to whatever is appropriate. The example given at the time was "cheese" - 40d redirects "cheese" to "cheese maker", but DF2010 has its own dedicated page for cheese, so redirecting "cheese" to "cv:cheese maker" back in 40d (hypothetically, since the multiple namespaces didn't happen until after DF2010) would have broken things. edit Found it - the guideline is here. --Quietust 21:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand this rule. "Cheese" shouldn't go to "cv:cheese maker" because old links to "Cheese" will take the user to "DF2010:Cheese maker"? The bit even mentions that links from old versions are automatically updated to add "40d:" behind them; wouldn't that go to "40d:Cheese" anyway and the changing of the "Cheese" redirect to "cv:Cheese maker" would have no affect? The explanation does not make sense to me. There needs to be a page with all the damned rules on them, because having the rules spread out over a dozen different pages makes people like me waste hours of time just to have it all reverted. This is one of the most disorganized wikis I've ever seen. --Gzalzi 21:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

The reason for "cheese" to not redirect to "cv:cheese maker" is because while it may have been acceptable for 40d (which did not have an actual "cheese" article), DF2010 does have a "cheese" article which people would then not see when searching because of the redirect going to the wrong page. As for all of the DF2010 redirects you marked for deletion, you also need to take into account the "article version" headers on each page - as an example, there are explicit pages for 23a:Waterskin and 40d:Waterskin (since military dwarves in those versions never use flasks of other materials), so deleting the redirect from DF2010:Waterskin to DF2010:Flask would break navigation between article versions. --Quietust 21:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

In that hypothetical example, there is a "DF2010:Cheese" page but "Cheese" redirects to "cv:Cheese maker." If there are any situations like that in the redirects I made, they were already broken before I did anything (and for a lot of them, I know there were not because a lot of them were already "DF2010" pages). I know there are pages for different version of articles for every verson of the game. That's why I told any regular namespaces to go to the most recent version, and those redirects which I marked for deletion (which aren't necessary because they aren't searchable) I used #REDIRECT [[DF2010:name]] so that they wouldn't link to older or newer (once a new version is out) articles. How does linking "DF2010:whatever" to "DF2010:properwhatever" break versions? I can see that if I linked "40d:whatever" with "cv:properwhatever" it would be broken because it would go to DF2010, but that isn't the case with any of my edits. I'm still not understanding how any of what I did is wrong. --Gzalzi 21:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC)