40d Talk:Farming

Farming in Winter

It appears that farm plots now have a menu for farming in the winter. Has anyone done this yet? --Karlito 00:42, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Sounds like winter farming works fine. It's probably part of the general streamlining of temperature and whatnot (why would a tropical winter be worse than a glacial summer, underground?) --Doomclown

Spider Webs do not seem to depend on being near the water or farms now. Most I have seen appeared in a narrow valley on the outside of the mountain. --Silveron

Winter farming is working fine, I've farmed Plump helmets whole winter. No starved dwarves for me! --UltimaPhantom 15:25, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Farming aboveground issue

You're allowed to build aboveground farm plots on areas where you can't actually plant seeds, but it doesn't tell you this. Basically you have to make sure farm plots outdoors are built on biomes that have at least some vegetation (shrubs, grass doesn't count) in order for your dwarves to actually plant the seeds you set. Trying to farm on a mountain biome or any other that is listed with "Other Vegetation: None" will end up with the plot just being ignored. And there are now often multiple biomes in any given fortress map, as seen on the site selection menu when you start a fort. --BahamutZERO 21:23, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Farming in the winter is handy now, but does any one know what it means when the plant type in the farm (when you pick out what your going to grow) is red? It won't let me grow it! --Comment by Rock n Rat and copy-edited by Savok due to its high level of unreadability

When the name is red, that means that, for whatever reason, that crop cannot be planted at that time. --Savok 20:53, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This is most likely because it is late winter, and any seeds planted at that point won't have time to grow by the end of the year. It doesn't take into account the fact that the crops may still be growable in the spring as it does with the other seasons; something about the new year throws it off. --Hesitris 10:06, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Mixed Plots

The following paragraph contradicts itself a couple times, which is the correct behavior?

The farm plot should be either entirely above ground or entirely subterranean. A mixed-class farm plot will allow you to choose any crop for planting, but the chosen crop will be planted only on tiles capable of growing it. Worse, planters will not skip over the infertile tiles, leaving the rest of the plot fallow whether it can support the crop or not.

Amstrad 17:07, 10 November 2007 (EST)

I think what it means is that the planter will plant until he reaches a tile incapable of growing, the stop completely. Let's say you have a 1x8 plot, and tile 3 is not capable of growing the crop. Tiles 1 and 2 will be planted, but the farmer will stop at 3. He will not skip over it and continue planting tiles 4-8. It is not contradictory, but should be reworded. --Valdemar 13:48, 18 November 2007 (EST)

What the writer mean by "mixed plot" is if you build a plot underground and open the roof in some place. The area(s) where you don't have roofing anymore will be considered as above ground, and the rest will still be considered by the game to be underground. --Eagle of Fire 18:09, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Food Hauling caveat

It was suggested that stone and wood hauling be turned off during planting season to prevent starvation. It seems more prudent to me that in case of eminent starvation to turn off FOOD HAULING so all the hungry dwarves can swarm the previously tasked foods. Then turn it back on and let them continue taking their time getting it to where it needs to be. Is this a bad idea? ~~

Flowchart

That's got to be the most complicated possible way to present that information, which is already covered in a much clearer table on the crops page. It would also be horribly intimidating to the newbies. No offense to whoever took the time to make this monstrosity, but I think it should be axed, or at the least moved to the more relevant crops page. Mzbundifund 23:25, 28 November 2007 (CST)

You say it like Dwarf Fortress itself is not horribly intimidating. No offense taken, but, then again, farming is one of the most complicated aspects of the game and I spent quite some time trying to wrap my mind around it's quirks.

I made this illustration to help me plan workshops chaining, optimize hauling and quickly evaluate gathered shrubs. Tabular data on the Crops page serves great as a reference, but not so much as an aid in designing processes. Besides, some people like me comprehend such visual form of information easier.

This diagram is already linked on Crops page, and if people deem that image describing in detail farming workflow doesn't belong to Farming page, so be it. Nophotoavailable 02:49, 29 November 2007 (EST)

It's seems a great flowchart to me, especially the way it's linked in the corner so it doesn't dominate the page. Well done for creating it. Djp 05:46, 29 November 2007 (EST)

I appreciate the flowchart, and find it more useful for contemplating the system-as-a-whole than the table on Crops. Table's good for detail, bad for seeing relationships & alternatives, like "What are all the crops that I can use to make fabric?". Kidinnu 08:54, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Hah, I seem to be in the minority, if indeed there's even one other person who agrees with me. Fair enough. Mzbundifund 15:38, 28 November 2007 (CST)

Re-Irrigation

I noticed that my unused farms, after a time, will show "No seeds available for this location". There doesn't seem to be anything on this wiki to talk about this. I later found out (by loo{{K|k}ing around}) that this is because the tiles underneath the plot were no longer muddy. Shouldn't there be a section to warn players that even active farms have some de-muddified tiles (farmers no longer walk on them, to muddify them), that should periodically be irrigated? ----