Editing DF2014 Talk:Instrument

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Posting here so it doesn't get lost. Should be useful for the person expanding this article.[[User:CLA|CLA]] ([[User talk:CLA|talk]]) 15:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

== Which workshop ==
The current subheading for world insrument states that you need to check the craftsdwarf workshop, but the above sectoin states that other workshops might need to be checked.

== Instruments ==
An incomplete list
{| class = "wikitable sortable"
! Instrument
! Part
! Material
! Produced at
|-
|Nir
|Nir keyboard
|Stone
|Craftsdwarf Workshop
|-
|
|Nir case
|Ceramic
|Kiln
|-
|
|Nir bells
|Stone
|Craftsdwarf Workshop
|-
|Etes
|Etes body
|Bones
|Craftsdwarf Workshop
|-
|
|Etes strings
|Metal
|Metalsmith's Forge
|-
|
|Etes hammers
|Metal
|Metalsmith's Forge
|-
|Theb
|Theb bellows
|Leather
|Leather Works
|-
|
|Theb bag
|Leather
|Leather Works
|-
|
|Theb melody pipes
|Ceramic
|Kiln
|-
|
|Theb drone pipes
|Stone
|Craftsdwarf Workshop
|-
|Tiklon
|Tiklon bars
|Wood
|Craftsdwarf Workshop
|-
|
|Tiklon stands
|Glass
|Glass Furnace
|-
|Kurel
|Kurel drum
|Stone
|Mason's Workshop
|-
|
|Kurel head
|Leather
|Leather Works
|-
|Ingtak
|Ingtak triangles
|Metal
|Metalsmith's Forge
|-
|
|Ingtak stand
|Metal
|Metalsmith's Forge
|-
|Mishin
|Mishin drum
|Ceramic
|Kiln
|-
|
|Mishin head
|Leather
|Leather Works
|-
|
|Mishin hammers
|Metal
|Metalsmith's Forge
|-
|Metul
|
|
|
|-
|Letom
|
|Bones
|Craftsdwarf Workshop
|-
|}
[[User:Ashameron|Ashameron]] ([[User talk:Ashameron|talk]]) 10:33, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

: Keep in mind that this list is specific to your map's civilizations, though the above is a good example of the kinds of things that can be procedurally generated.  [[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] ([[User talk:Rriegs|talk]]) 15:45, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

==Multiple copies?==

From the article:

:" It is possible for larger instrument to require multiple copies of the same instrument piece. For example, a gitnuk is a larger instrument that must be assembled with 1 gitnuk body and 5 gitnuk bar."

In my experience, even though an instrument is described as having several (e.g. blocks), the complete set is created by single job (e.g. forge blocks).--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:26, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

==Regarding non-generated instruments==

Going to test whether the older instrument entity token still functions, and whether instruments made that way are usuable in musical forms. Unless anyone has already attempted this? --[[User:Valos|Valos]] ([[User talk:Valos|talk]]) 18:38, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

:<code>raw/objects/examples and notes/item_instrument_example.txt</code> says they do, though I haven't tried it out. [[User:FortressBuilder|FortressBuilder]] ([[User talk:FortressBuilder|talk]]) 20:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

:: Been testing, results are in. First, the old instrument entity token still in fact works, confirming what was mentioned in the example texts in the raw folder. Second, generated musical forms are capable of selecting pre-defined instruments to use. Third, as the example notes indicate, reactions need to be added to allow actually producing and/or assembling the instruments. Will update the entity token as I said I would. --[[User:Valos|Valos]] ([[User talk:Valos|talk]]) 20:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

==Strange instrument names==

the heck is a stelid?[[Special:Contributions/216.71.19.121|216.71.19.121]] 23:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

:Instrument names and components are randomized per civilization.  Inspection of their make up, description, and use in musical forms might give you some idea of how they sound and/or function, but for the most part, they're just curious dwarfy things that somehow make sound.  Think of real-world instruments from far-off lands.  [[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] ([[User talk:Rriegs|talk]]) 15:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

== On the Kat ==
From the article:

:It should also be noted, that dwarven ingenuity can create instruments that could not be considered playable in the real world, such as the Kat- a small hand-held percussion instrument. It consists of a metal block. The "musician" shakes the block. The instrument has a single high pitch. Due to the block's only means of producing this high pitch being the displacement of air as it is shaken, it can be inferred that the dwarf shakes the block at several kHz, providing a great source of strength and endurance based cross-training for military dwarves. 


Presumably the Kat is similar to a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbell handbell], a real-world hand-held percussion instrument with a single pitch that can be played by shaking. The game does not necessarily specify all the detailed components that make up an instrument (e.g. handles, integrated strikers, etc.). But, even if you dispute the addition of a fixed internal striker, there are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirly_tube ways to make sound] that do not require using the instrument as a hand-actuated speaker. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

==Move==

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 Presumably the Kat is similar to a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbell handbell], a real-world hand-held percussion instrument with a single pitch that can be played by shaking. The game does not necessarily specify all the detailed components that make up an instrument (e.g. handles, integrated strikers, etc.). But, even if you dispute the addition of a fixed internal striker, there are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirly_tube ways to make sound] that do not require using the instrument as a hand-actuated speaker. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 21:56, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
-==What Instruments are Needed?==
-Do you just need your civilization's instruments, or is there a point to collecting complete elven and human (foreign) instruments?
-Are performances with instruments better than 'simulated' performances?
-Do instruments in chests add value to temples and inns?
 ==Move==
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