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* Reporting IP [[Special:Contributions/89.187.170.169|89.187.170.169]] for inserting spam into [[Utility:Dwarf_Therapist/Addons_Repository]]. | * Reporting IP [[Special:Contributions/89.187.170.169|89.187.170.169]] for inserting spam into [[Utility:Dwarf_Therapist/Addons_Repository]]. | ||
| − | * Reporting...vandalism- | + | * Reporting...vandalism-adjecent shenanigans from an anon, as expected {{user|dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/168.216.12.16}} Example:(https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Intelligent_undead&oldid=255682) [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 18:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC) |
** Blocked - I think all edits have been reverted as well. (No need to mark reports as "minor" changes, by the way) —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC) | ** Blocked - I think all edits have been reverted as well. (No need to mark reports as "minor" changes, by the way) —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC) | ||
* If I might be permitted to include a brief personal opinion here, this is an example of what happens when one has a perfect storm of a virus, its quarantine procedures, and protests, all together. So, reporting user {{user|BurnLootMurder}} for gibbering-insane [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Material&curid=31922&diff=252946&oldid=249363 '''trolling and vandalism''', which should really have a CW for implied violence and encouragement to doxxing on it, IMHO] The obvious solution being, to block and revert with due speed.[[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 09:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC) | * If I might be permitted to include a brief personal opinion here, this is an example of what happens when one has a perfect storm of a virus, its quarantine procedures, and protests, all together. So, reporting user {{user|BurnLootMurder}} for gibbering-insane [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Material&curid=31922&diff=252946&oldid=249363 '''trolling and vandalism''', which should really have a CW for implied violence and encouragement to doxxing on it, IMHO] The obvious solution being, to block and revert with due speed.[[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 09:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
** Done —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC) | ** Done —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
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*Reporting user {{user|DogfanDFNerd}} for repeatedly trying to change the [[:File:WikiLogo 4fa619.png|wiki logo]] with a low quality replacement. Something as important as the logo shouldn't be meddled with by non-admins, much less users without any edits, and the fact they can't be bothered to fix the glaring spelling mistake by the third time suspends my belief that this is being done in good faith. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC) | *Reporting user {{user|DogfanDFNerd}} for repeatedly trying to change the [[:File:WikiLogo 4fa619.png|wiki logo]] with a low quality replacement. Something as important as the logo shouldn't be meddled with by non-admins, much less users without any edits, and the fact they can't be bothered to fix the glaring spelling mistake by the third time suspends my belief that this is being done in good faith. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC) | ||
** Sorry for the delay - I've protected the page. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC) | ** Sorry for the delay - I've protected the page. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
| − | *'' | + | *Reporting user {{User|Silverwing235}} for a long-standing pattern of problematic editing. As an example, after the first 3 times Silverwing235 [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Murky_pool&curid=32095&diff=247287&oldid=247280 added this error], I [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Silverwing235&curid=36342&diff=247295&oldid=241756 explained the problem] on Silverwing235's talk page. Silverwing235 [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Silverwing235&diff=next&oldid=247295 removed that explanation] with the comment "message received and understood", then less than a day later [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Murky_pool&curid=32095&diff=247303&oldid=247296 made the same edit a fourth time]. Silverwing235 started making many problematic edits in July 2018, received a [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Silverwing235&diff=238883&oldid=238709 warning in January 2019], and has continued unabated since; just this weekend I wasted more than two hours reviewing and reverting this user's edits. Sadly, it appears nothing short of a block will stop the problematic editing.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC) |
| + | ** Thank you for dealing with this. As I haven't been very active on the wiki recently, I don't want to take any administrative action on this alone, particularly since some of Silverwing235's edits that I've seen have been constructive (and I don't personally have a good sense of how many have been disruptive). Edit warring isn't good, though - if you've seen more instances of that, or a large number of disruptive edits recently, let me know. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 04:43, 4 October 2019 (UTC) | ||
| + | ***The last time you [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Silverwing235&diff=238890&oldid=238883 suggested doing nothing] (nine months ago) it didn't work; I see no reason to assume the results will be different this time around. Since January, Silverwing235 has made 1779 edits, and I have made more than 265 reversions. You might then assume that means that 85% of Silverwing235's edits were "constructive", but the number is considerably lower; Silverwing235 tends to "serial-edit" the same article multiple times in a row and I revert to the last-good version with a single edit. In fact, Silverwing235 has the "current" edit on only 487 of those pages in that time frame, which charitably estimates the "constructive" edit rate somewhere around 50%. Anyway, this prolonged situation has sapped my desire to work on the wiki, so you'll need to find someone else to proofread Silverwing235's edits.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 22:57, 6 October 2019 (UTC) | ||
| + | ****I don't think doing nothing is the solution, but I think some of these edits are pretty subjective. Of the edits you reverted today, I agree with [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Meat_industry&diff=prev&oldid=247436] (although the section is admittedly inconsistent with its other 7 sibling sections), and [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Equipment&diff=prev&oldid=247438] (although this is pretty minor, the "each" shouldn't have been removed). I think [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Coffin&diff=247437&oldid=247435] was unclear both ways (only the first and third action led to the consequence in the same sentence, which I tried to address [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Coffin&diff=next&oldid=247437 here]). As for [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Armor&diff=prev&oldid=247439], you reverted several reasonable changes besides the singular "they"-related change. (I probably would have done the same after dealing with a number of earlier edits, to be fair.) I don't think "he" or "it" can apply to "dwarf or other creature" in every case, but regardless of that, singular "they" is controversial, as you have mentioned. Neither [[DF:MOS|this wiki]] nor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style Wikipedia] seem to take a strong stance on the matter, so in my book, it's a personal preference - it's not right or wrong. I am unwilling to take administrative action over it, and I don't want to see edit wars over it either (i.e. going forward, I will side in favor of whatever choice was made in the article before it was changed). —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC) | ||
| + | **I hate to add to this old thread, but, as it has been raised before, it seems appropriate. As Loci said in 2019, this '''is''' a long-standing pattern, and this user makes a large number of edits every month. One example: [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Justice&diff=256610&oldid=256609], [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Justice&diff=256621&oldid=256620], [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Justice&diff=256644&oldid=256643]. I was an active editor on the wiki some years ago—not that it matters—and since I rejoined, this kind of editing showing up in the recent changes has been a huge distraction from any other editing I mean to do. I know this ''isn't'' Wikipedia, but this kind of editing—literally declaiming “stylistic [sic] sense be damned” in edit summaries (which are always marked '''m'''—why?)—is the reason why Wikipedia has policies like [[wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]], [[wikipedia:WP:DE|WP:DE]], [[wikipedia:WP:DDE|WP:DDE]], and especially [[wikipedia:WP:IDHT|WP:IDHT]]. It's hard to consider any wiki editing ''productive'' when there is no constraint on this behavior. The large number of similar edits (often "serial" edits, as Loci mentioned) performed by this single editor means that anything another editor adds will probably be similarly “fixed” within a few months. '''—'''[[User:Sriefmadsakzro|'''οɼѕаk''']] 21:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ***I’d like to add my own third-person (second-person?) perspective on this. One of being a non-native English writer prone to making the kind of mistakes SilverWing fixes. Thanks to that, I (and others) don’t have to worry as much about perfecting the language while adding information, which makes adding. Conversely, I believe the strict rules of Wikipedia makes it harder for new editors to join. For Wikipedia, this may be a positive as it increases the quality, but this wiki is one starved for editors and can thus not afford such luxuries. It is true that SilverWing has a pattern of editing recently edited articles, which may bury those recent edits. As to why, my suspicion (backed up by what I remember them writing about it on the forum) is that they read the edit to check for errors/bad grammar, and then skim through the rest of the article while they are at it. The ’m’ is to mark that they didn’t add any info, only refactor what was already available. That way other wiki editors can chose to ignore those edits. (I believe that is the intended usage of the ’m’inor edit mark, am I wrong?) I’ve not seen them ”fix”/revert anything but changes to the syntax. They are obviously stubborn when it comes to that, perhaps in excess, but it should not disturb you when adding content. I believe that worry is unfounded. Ultimately, while grammar is subjective means not all of SilverWing’s edits are clearly productive, but I’d still argue that having someone like them adds a certain polish to the wiki we would otherwise miss out on. —[[User:Voliol|Voliol]] ([[User talk:Voliol|talk]]) 01:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ****To the contrary: Silverwing235 often '''introduces''' errors in both grammar and syntax. That is actually the point of this thread.'''—'''[[User:Sriefmadsakzro|'''οɼѕаk''']] 20:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | *** Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Justice&diff=next&oldid=256644]. A comma might have been a better choice than a semicolon, but ''no'' punctuation there makes the sentence more difficult to parse. This is a situation where I would encourage a talk page or user page discussion as appropriate. I do think your [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Justice&diff=next&oldid=256645 most recent edit] was a good compromise, though. [Edit: maybe the comma should have gone after "visitor" instead, but that's beside the point - this was a good-faith attempt to make the article more readable, and it should have been responded to with an improvement, not a reversion.]<br>More generally, I don't want to block individual users for making edits like this. I have been keeping an eye on [[Special:RecentChanges]], and I think most of Silverwing235's changes in recent months have been uncontroversial compared to the ones that Loci originally report here. I ''am'' willing to temporarily lock pages in the cases of arguments being made in edit summaries, such as the one you and Silverwing participated in here, if necessary.<br>I think I agree with Voliol for the most part, and invoking [[wikipedia:WP:CIR]] doesn't seem appropriate to me. Some edit summaries don't make sense, but I think that minor changes are generally tagged appropriately, and you can filter them out from [[Special:RecentChanges]] if you like. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ****Re [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Justice&diff=next&oldid=256644]: that's why '''I''' finally edited it myself. Silverwing235's edit ''introduced errors'' rather than ''fix'' it. To be honest, I don't have time to clarify the rest of this. See my edit history since I rejoined just a few weeks ago. It's enough for me to see that a long-time editor like Loci actually appears to have abandoned the wiki over similar problems—I, myself, am probably out as well. There just isn't time. I wanted to add to articles relevant to modding, now that DF has undergone several updates (and much of the information about the raws here appears to be outdated or “partially correct” since then). That no one has addressed Silverwing235's behavior is surprising. I have huge respect for you, otherwise, Lethosor, but I think you've got the wrong impression here. '''—'''[[User:Sriefmadsakzro|'''οɼѕаk''']] 20:16, 13 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ***I've encouraged Silverwing to leave better edit summaries, and to move discussions to talk pages if needed. Hopefully this helps encourage more productive changes like [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Justice&diff=next&oldid=256645]. I do still want to be informed if you notice a persistent pattern of issues, but this looks to me like a single argument that stands out from a more recent pattern of mostly-helpful edits. —[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 03:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
| + | ****I think this is the last thing I care to say about it: [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Loci#Discussion_in.2C_supposedly.2C_proper_context...], as a response to [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Silverwing235&oldid=247295] (which the user ''removed''—why?), is egregious. From this and from my own observations just skimming their edit history, I don't know how this user never saw consequences.'''—'''[[User:Sriefmadsakzro|'''οɼѕаk''']] 20:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC) | ||
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*vandalism by {{User|Johnhankse}} on 40d:Rose gold, [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d:Rose_gold&oldid=234402] and [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d:Rose_gold&oldid=234401] [[User:MathFox|MathFox]] ([[User talk:MathFox|talk]]) 09:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC) | *vandalism by {{User|Johnhankse}} on 40d:Rose gold, [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d:Rose_gold&oldid=234402] and [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=40d:Rose_gold&oldid=234401] [[User:MathFox|MathFox]] ([[User talk:MathFox|talk]]) 09:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC) | ||
*advertising by user {{User|Click4Support}} on the page [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Page request]] --[[User:Edern76|Edern76]] ([[User talk:Edern76|talk]]) 10:54, 24 February 2014 (UTC) | *advertising by user {{User|Click4Support}} on the page [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Page request]] --[[User:Edern76|Edern76]] ([[User talk:Edern76|talk]]) 10:54, 24 February 2014 (UTC) | ||