DF2014 Talk:Creature

Creature Playability[edit]

I recently added playability information to the creatures on this page. Here's a few things I discovered about how the game determines playable races, which seems to have changed in v0.42:

If an entity has [SITE_CONTROLLABLE], then that entity is playable in Dwarf Fortress mode.
If an entity has [ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE], then creatures from that entity are playable in Adventure mode. Your adventurer comes from a civ from that entity, and is a member.
If a creature has [LOCAL_POPS_CONTROLLABLE], then that creature is playable in Adventure mode. Your adventurer comes from a nearby civ, and is a member. Creatures played this way appear under "Intelligent Wilderness Creature" in the race selection menu.
If the creature raw has [OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE], then that creature is playable in Adventure mode. Your adventurer begins in a random civ with no associations. This is selected after the race, in the civ selection menu.
As noted, other creatures seem to be playable in Adventurer mode as well. This seems to be due to historical consequences, but I'm not sure what causes it. It may be because those creatures have moved into a civ wiht [ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE]. More Science required.
The difference between [ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE] and [LOCAL_POPS_CONTROLLABLE] mainly seems to be whether the tag is attached to creature or entity. More Science required.

AntiBlueQuirk (talk) 11:06, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

new creatures[edit]

Here's a preliminary list. Note that some already exist, but have been reordered in other files (large felines) or have been renamed (giant toad, tigerman). It would be nice to have a script that takes the creature raws and outputs a properly formatted table. I have a vim substitution command for the graphic set page, but nothing for this table.

amphibians

TOAD_MAN
GIANT_TOAD

annelids
WORM_MAN

birds
BLUEJAY_MAN
GIANT_BLUEJAY
CARDINAL_MAN
GIANT_CARDINAL
GRACKLE_MAN
GIANT_GRACKLE
ORIOLE_MAN
GIANT_ORIOLE
RW_BLACKBIRD_MAN
GIANT_RW_BLACKBIRD

insects
FLY_MAN
GIANT_FLY
ROACH_MAN
GIANT_ROACH
BEETLE_MAN
GIANT_BEETLE
BUTTERFLY_MONARCH_MAN
GIANT_BUTTERFLY_MONARCH
FIREFLY_MAN
GIANT_FIREFLY
DRAGONFLY_MAN
GIANT_DRAGONFLY

large mountain
GOAT_MOUNTAIN_MAN
GIANT_GOAT_MOUNTAIN
MARMOT_HOARY_MAN
GIANT_MARMOT_HOARY

large ocean
WALRUS_MAN
GIANT_WALRUS

large riverlake
HIPPO_MAN
GIANT_HIPPO

large temperate
BEAR_GRIZZLY_MAN
GIANT_BEAR_GRIZZLY
BEAR_BLACK_MAN
GIANT_BEAR_BLACK
DEER_MAN
GIANT_DEER
FOX_MAN
GIANT_FOX
RACCOON_MAN
GIANT_RACCOON
MACAQUE_RHESUS_MAN
GIANT_MACAQUE_RHESUS
COUGAR_MAN
GIANT_COUGAR
WOLF_MAN
GIANT_WOLF
GROUNDHOG_MAN
GIANT_GROUNDHOG
ALLIGATOR_MAN
GIANT_ALLIGATOR
BUZZARD_MAN
GIANT_BUZZARD

large tropical
ELEPHANT_MAN
GIANT_ELEPHANT
WARTHOG_MAN
GIANT_WARTHOG
LION_MAN
GIANT_LION
LEOPARD_MAN
GIANT_LEOPARD
JAGUAR_MAN
GIANT_JAGUAR
TIGERMAN -> TIGER_MAN
GIANT_TIGER
CHEETAH_MAN
GIANT_CHEETAH
GAZELLE_MAN
GIANT_GAZELLE
MANDRILL_MAN
GIANT_MANDRILL
CAMEL_1_HUMP_MAN
GIANT_CAMEL_1_HUMP
CAMEL_2_HUMP_MAN
GIANT_CAMEL_2_HUMP
CROCODILE_SALTWATER_MAN
GIANT_CROCODILE_SALTWATER
VULTURE_MAN
GIANT_VULTURE
RHINOCEROS_MAN
GIANT_RHINOCEROS
GIRAFFE_MAN
GIANT_GIRAFFE
HONEY BADGER MAN
HONEY BADGER, GIANT
MUSKOX_MAN
GIANT_MUSKOX
ELK_MAN
GIANT_ELK
BEAR_POLAR_MAN
GIANT_BEAR_POLAR

reptiles
LIZARD_MAN
GIANT_LIZARD
SKINK -vermin
SKINK_MAN
GIANT_SKINK
CHAMELEON -vermin
CHAMELEON_MAN
GIANT_CHAMELEON
ANOLE -vermin
ANOLE_MAN
GIANT_ANOLE
IGUANA
IGUANA_MAN
GIANT_IGUANA

small mammals
RAT_MAN
SQUIRREL_GRAY_MAN
GIANT_SQUIRREL_GRAY
SQUIRREL_RED_MAN
GIANT_SQUIRREL_RED
CHIPMUNK_MAN
GIANT_CHIPMUNK

subterranean
TOAD_GIANT -> TOAD_GIANT_CAVE

CLA (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Aquatic creature section[edit]

Presently, it includes few creatures (such as Beak Dog or Grimeling) only found in marshes and swamps.

In our world, we link them with water, but in DF they are no more linked to water than forests and shrublands are - though many creatures found in rivers and lakes also appear in marshes or swamps.

I question whether such association is right, though. Does the section serve as a list of creatures one may find in water (which wouldn't have Beak Dog next to Basking Shark) or is it meant for newer players coming into DF from outside looking for specifically things they would expect in wetlands and bodies of water?

Fleeting Frames (talk) 06:36, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Pet Value[edit]

Why do some say 'Not Tamable' and others say 'N/A'? What's the difference? If there is a difference, it should be clear. If there isn't, it should be standardized. Vixen525 (talk) 20:09, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Domestic animals are civilized?[edit]

Going by our definition of Civilization should 'domestic animals' be listed as civilized ? --Jan (talk) 13:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

spoiler tags[edit]

Is there any point to having spoiler tags on this page? The tables contain dry numbers, interesting stuff are contained in the individual creature entries which has their own spoiler tags. --Jan (talk) 04:04, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, no, not really, so...did that? Silverwing235 (talk) 16:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. --Jan (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I disagree, the existance of demons and angels, and especially their living in the underworld/vaults is treated as a spoiler across the rest of the wiki. This should apply to this article as well. —-Voliol (talk) 21:02, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Their existence is an open secret on the wiki, they are mentioned or referred to on many articles. Nevertheless if you want to know what those things actually mean in DF you still need to go past the spoiler tags on the individual entries. (btw IMO attempts to hide their existence by using weird terminology only bring further additional attention to the topic, like 'Hidden fun stuff' Really?!)

There is also a question of how spoilers should be marked. I think that {{spoiler}} works best when placed at the top of the article when its the first thing you see, not so much when placed in the middle, when people use Ctrl+F, or with tables. Maybe we should use something like this here:

spoiler stuff
This content	is hidden
at first	load time

--Jan (talk) 22:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Voliol on that demons and angels should be treated as a spoiler. Jan's idea of a collapsed table is excellent: in comparison to current spoiler tags, it is both better at preserving the spoiler and less hindering for those who don't care about spoilers. Tanamoril (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Splitting list of creatures?[edit]

Could be nice if for the new version this page can be split in two

Creatures - which gives an overview of what you might expect in game (for example)
List of creatures - which contains the exhaustive list of creatures and their prominent stats.

--Jan (talk) 09:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)