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Hi, if you'd like to leave me a message click here. I'll respond here. If I leave a message on your talk page, please respond there. Thanks!

What about {{version}}?[edit]

Did you have something like this in mind? category:version template:version (: VengefulDonut 21:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Versions VengefulDonut 22:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I set it up intending for it to be more of a staging namespace for us. --Briess 00:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Your message to me[edit]

ie, here

Thanks for the link.

Is the intent to mark every article with a version number? Garrie 10:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The intent is to mark every relevant article with the version it is up to date as of. So effectively yes. In order to let users know the page is up to date, and editors to know that it needs to be updated. If you have more questions about my suggestion you could use the talk page for that link I gave you so everyone else can participate. Thanks. Mason (T-C) 11:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


So I realize you're proud of the meme you're starting, but please stop spreading it. Here is why:

  • There is going to be more than one version of DF in 2010. If the terminology sticks, it will only throw people off.
  • The wiki is going to have specific labels for versions, even if they have nicknames elsewhere. The only issue is who will edit them in. If you entice many people into using "DF2010" in wiki articles, there will be more for me to clean up.
    PSo even though it feels good to spread it, please understand you are doing harm. VengefulDonut 16:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems I misunderstood your goal here. Although it would be a problem if you were trying to make the term permanent, apparently you're not. So I take back what I said about causing harm. VengefulDonut 19:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

P.S: If you don't want to be misunderstood, there are ways to fight that. I still plan to take what you say seriously, although I guess I can stop if that's something you want.

I'm a bit confused here. Why are you attacking me? VengefulDonut 13:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Uncategorized Pages[edit]

It doesn't appear I can actually do that without seriously hacking the software. I'm still looking, but the code to find uncategorized pages is such a clusterfuck of stupid that we may be out of luck. --Briess 02:56, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Premature Arenalation[edit]

Hey. It seems that back the end of January you edited the Arena page, removing the redirect to cage#Arena and replacing it with a statement that "Arenas are now in the game!" - which is awkward, considering they aren't, and that there are links to "arena" in a variety of articles, and that it's not an uncommon search word. Already confused at least one user. I hid that text for now. Once 2010 is up and running, that page will continue as a redirect for 40d, and a new current-version "Arena" article will be needed with the new info. --Albedo 16:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey - yeah, from the date I figured as much. I guess (without saying so) I wanted to suggest that if you thought there were any others sim, try to track them down. All good, didn't mean anything else. Readya later.--Albedo 04:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

File Uploads[edit]

Let me check the logs to troubleshoot. --Briess 13:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Custom JS[edit]

It is indeed enabled. See useful scripts. Emi [T] 01:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Briess already knew! Emi [T] 01:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. I know everything. --Briess 02:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Moving pages[edit]


How do you move pages on a wiki such as this? I'd like to move my page and my talk page to an "old" 40d page and start a new one.

Thanks. --Kwieland 05:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Why and how[edit]

I can answer both of these questions for you, Mason. Since a rational person (eg: you) would want the answers to these questions before deciding if it's "madness", I'm putting the answer on your talk page rather than the important-sounding "Central Discussion" page. I'll start with the why and then go into the how.

Why: Having small summaries for a large number of in-game items is convenient. A person can just type the name of the thing into the search bar and get information directly related to that thing and some useful links that lead to more. However, this leads to a few problems; we want each of these to have accurate information and we want them to be formatted consistently. Also, we want to not have to comb through a large number of articles every time something changes. How can we accomplish this? Well, it turns out all of the information describing these things is contained in the raw files for DF, and people have been creating articles by hand translating it into the wiki for a long time. This is a huge waste of effort. So right now I'm working on some templates to automatically pull information from the raw data files.

How: There are a few templates that use regular expressions to search the raw data files that have been placed on the wiki. I'll list here what they do.

  • The first is Template:raw. This template looks for the raw entry of a thing inside the file you specify. It then returns the raw entry.
  • The next important one is Template:tag. Given a chunk of raw data, it can tell you whether or not it contains a particular token, like SEDIMENTARY. However, this is just a true or false value. It doesn't actually pull information from inside something like "[ENVIRONMENT:SEDIMENTARY:VEIN:100]". For that you need
  • Template:tagentry. Given a chunk of raw data, a token to look for, and an offset, it will return the corresponding information. So if I wanted to pull out the SEDIMENTARY part of that ENVIRONMENT tag, I could do it like so: {{tagentry|[ENVIRONMENT:SEDIMENTARY:VEIN:100]|ENVIRONMENT|1}}. There's a limitation to this one too, though. It only takes information from the first one it encounters. To handle things with more than one ENVIRONMENT token, we need to use
  • Template:Foreachtag. This one is a little complicated. In addition to the parameters of the previous ones, it also has capture1, capture2, .. capture5, string1, .. string6. This template replaces each instance of the token you specify with string1capture1string2...capture5string6, where the "capture" parameters specify parts of the token and the "string" parts are literal strings you want to intersperse between them.

Given these tools, we have template:stonelookup, which finds the raw data of any mineral, pulls out some information, formats it to look pretty, and passes it on to template:mineral. If the name of the mineral you want to do this for is specified by the page name, you can use template:stonelookup/0 instead. Oh, and if you specify uses= and properties= for this and similar templates, it should just pass them on to template:mineral.

Hope that helps. VengefulDonut 22:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Search Namespaces[edit]

Apparently, it's quite a bit of a hack to do so. I know the current 1 namespace at a time thing isn't exactly optimal, but it's the best we can do at the moment unless I hack at the codebase (the function responsible for processing recent changes params doesn't accept more than one namespace input) --Briess 00:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


Are you talking about the /raw pages? VengefulDonut 14:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I think something can be arranged. VengefulDonut 14:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Redirects from google?[edit]

When I search the wiki via google I am always redirected to the wiki front page.

I was wondering what the reason for this decision was, I personally find it annoying but I'm one person. --Riznar 17:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


Human beings are very bad at making decisions in groups. Once a person realizes they can't get what they want, they start to compromise and let their personal standards slip to match those of everyone else. It's not rare for a group of very intelligent people to go into a meeting and approve a plan that every single one of them will think is pure shit later (if they think about it). With this in mind, the most important thing when making a decision as a group is, at the end, to carefully and clearly review exactly what you're going to do. So if you decide to implement a group decision, you have a responsibility to make sure it has gone through that filter.
Personally, I think it's better to disregard the lot, do what you think is correct, and deal with complaints later if any crop up. VengefulDonut 06:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I said this because I suspected you might think differently. If not, then I guess that's that. It wasn't intended as a veiled criticism of a specific action. I think you've noticed that so far my criticisms have been pretty open :) VengefulDonut 04:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Wanted Pages[edit]

I'm trying to fix all the Wanted Pages, and quite a few of them are simply article links from your Organization page that don't follow standard formatting. Should I delete those links from your list, change them to redirects, or something else entirely? --Señor Pwnage 07:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I just decide to go ahead and delete them. I was waiting for an answer, but I realized basically all of those pages had been deleted by you, so I figured you wouldn't mind anyway. I'll restore them if you want though. --Señor Pwnage 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Rating Script[edit]

All the script does is make it easy to rate articles, find some article and hit the rate tab (it should appear to the right of "watch") and you'll see what I mean. Emi [T] 11:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Borrowed images[edit]

I used some of your images from DF2010:menu for my project: bentgirder. I hope you don't mind. --Strangething 04:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

XML dump info[edit]

The stuff you added looks great! I didn't have a lot of material to work with when I got started on that page, since all of the text editors I had installed barfed badly when fed 600MB+ files from large-size worlds. :) The reason I was tinkering with XML dumps was a notion I had to write a quick and dirty converter that would extract genealogical information from it and produce an industry-standard GEDCOM file that any existing genealogy program should be able to load. If you're already tinkering with that sort of thing, feel free to beat me to the punch if you like - GEDCOM is a super-simple format but I'm not sure I'll be able to find the time to do recreational programming any time soon. I was just doing initial prep work. Bryan Derksen 07:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

World Viewer for .13 .14[edit]

Fix it please! Its allways error '6' overflow now T_T

World Viewer is great[edit]

World Viewer is broken for .16. I always get the overflow error.

hi, please post the source code of your world viewer tool, so other's can learn from it or maintain it, when you dont care about crashes with new versions.

besides, do you have a good feeling when downloading and executing binaries from random people on the web ? i don't.


We miss having you around! --Briess (talk) 07:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


Heh, nice. It's good to see you still exist! --Briess (talk) 07:56, 8 March 2014 (UTC)