v0.31 Talk:Bars

I am confused now which of bar/bars to use. Before (40d) bars referred to the floor/vertical bars), and bar referred to a metal/ash/coal/soap bar. Now, both seem to change to the second meaning. Please de-confuse me! Matakuka 09:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC) (running around babbling)

De-confused now. I think. Maybe not. Or else. Anyway. Matakuka 10:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

There is no "right" and "wrong", only "better" and "best". So the question is whether or not the 40d names were "wrong" not "best". Two wiki policies are relevant: one is to use in-game terms for articles whenever possible, and also not to use plural article names unless the term is "always" plural. Metal is measured in "bars" (always plural) - there is no "bar" found in the game anywhere (only informally, in forums/etc.). If you smelt 1 copper ore, you get "1 copper bars" - that's what it says. There are also "vertical bars" and "floor bars" (constructed from 1 metal bars). So the question is... What does "bars" best refer to? I believe it best refers to "metal bars", and "vertical bars" and "floor bars" should be one combined article. Other editors believe that metals bars should be under "bar" and that "bars" best refers to "vertical/floor bars".

I feel that the 40d article names were not "best", and this is a good opportunity to correct that errour, and so moved the article names. Others disagreed and reversed it back (and at that point, changing it back without discussion is an "edit war" and against the Rules.) So... if you feel that it's "better" the way it is, that's fine - no need to comment, it stays by default. Otoh, if you feel that either "bars" or "bar" is better as metal bars, and "vertical/floor bars" should be distinct, then feel free to comment, and that will start a discussion, and we'll figure it out.--Albedo 20:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

strikethrough?

What's with the strikethrough on this whole article? If it's a typo, fix it; if the info's bad, excise it. --Zombiejustice 14:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Probably a way of signifying that the information hasn't been properly verified - once it's checked, the strikethrough can be removed. --Quietust 15:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Correct - When it was moved to a diff name, it had not been proof-read, and a comment to that effect was added. When returned here (see above discussion), that comment was removed, but the strike through the uncertain material remained. Screen it for cv accuracy, and remove the strike, in whole or part.--Albedo 20:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Furniture Hauling?

"Both Floor Bars and Vertical Bars are built with one metal bar by any dwarf with the Furniture Hauling labor enabled."

I'm assuming this should be changed to some list of metal working and/or crafting skills. – unsigned comment by 12.133.178.5

Making blind assumptions is a bad idea, especially since that particular assumption is wrong - building vertical bars is done using furniture hauling, just like building beds, tables, chairs, doors, and other types of furniture. --Quietust 19:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Allowing Passage

Do vertical bars allow creatures through them?? I know this article says not, however i was using vertical bars to create a drowning trap (water flowed through the vertical bars and would trap creatures behind them) and the creatures would keep ending up on the opposite side of the bars. I see no way for them to get there unless they got through the vertical bars. – unsigned comment by 75.155.52.95

It's been suggested that flowing water can push creatures through vertical bars (and wall grates). --Quietust 17:22, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

That would explain it. Also would the fact that they are crawling effect it? since the particular one took a fall which shattered its spine and prevents it from walking. Also would water be able to push creatures through fortifications?– unsigned comment by 75.155.52.95