Editing 40d Talk:Other weapon

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=== Blowgun ===
In the pre-Z level version, ive been attacked by batman wielding these. [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 00:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Where can you get darts for this weapon? [[User:Xaque|Xaque]] 19:33, 23 January 2009 (EST)

:Re-read the article. Darts cannot be manufactured in Fortress Mode. Might be able to find some on attackers if they're wielding blowguns and you wax 'em before they can use up their ammo. As far as Adventure Mode, my guess would be the same--you have to find them on creatures wielding blowguns. [[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 02:23, 24 January 2009 (EST)

=== Bow ===

Can bows be used in weapon traps? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:53, 11 December 2007 (EST)

:I guess this still needs verification.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 18:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

::The article "Weapon" states that bows can be used in weapon traps.  --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 20:25, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

:::Thanks.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 02:08, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

=== Large dagger ===

Can be used by anyone? Are you sure about this, or does that only refer to Adventure Mode. I've had almost a dozen daggers in my Fortress in the past, and I can't get any of my dwarves to use them.  --[[User:Thanatos|Thanatos]] 19:54, 18 December 2007

:Well, dwarves are theoretically able to learn the skill, since a dwarf adventurer can, but you can't make your fortress mode dwarves pick one up and train with it.  Best just to trade them away or melt them down.  --[[User:Mzbundifund|Mzbundifund]] 20:01, 18 December 2007

=== Pike ===

As I said a lot of times now, I've managed to wield a pike with a dwarven adventurer in 23a. This need to be verified, maybe there's a strenght requirement. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:34, 10 December 2007 (EST)
: You CAN wield it as a dwarf in AM, but not in DM, because they are fobidden to do so by the game code. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 18:40, 10 December 2007 (EST)
====Pikeman skill VS Spearman skill====
I'm not going to start or create an edit war here. If you ([[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]]) are so sure you're right, then prove it. If you are indeed right I'll be happy to oblige you. Otherwise, I'm going to edit it back again if you can't answer to this in about a few days...
:I also think that whatever happens, it should be pointed out that the aforementioned pikeman skill is only used in adventurer mode since dwarves can't wield it in fortress mode. If we're going to make this weapon entry fit with all the others, readers will assume that the skill written there is the fortress mode skill. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:06, 11 December 2007 (EST)
[[Image:Dwarffortpike.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
Is this enough to prove you wrong? Next time do some simple research before you go saying that shit doesnt exist. --[[User:Heliopios|Heliopios]] 01:58, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Sorry... I'm not the one who's agressive about it here. Obviously, we don't all have a degree in Dwarf Fortressology like ''you'' do... *rolls eyes* --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 02:29, 11 December 2007 (EST)
So what about a halberd and a pike?  I've seen goblins wielding shields and halberds, I don't know about pikes.  I always thought a halberd was a pike with an axe on the end.  --Gotthard 12:39, 11 December 2007 (EST)
:Halberds are shorter than pikes, about 6ft in real life. Pikes are closer to 18ft. In the raws it says it requires 2 hands, though I don;t know about real life. I don;t know what's happening with those goblins, maybe they are mutant 3 armed ones? [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 06:07, 1 December 2008 (EST)

====Pikedwarf in Fortress Mode====
[[Image:Pikedwarf.PNG|right|thumb|100px|Pikeman]]
I think I've found a bug. There's a pikedwarf in one of my coffins. I've never trained a pikedwarf, and I don't think I can. Moreover, I've checked my game log and it has no record of this person dying. Is it possible that Dwarven guards of merchant trains can be pikedwarfs? Maybe one of them got caught and killed in a siege and ended up in my mortuary.
[[User:Revan|Revan]] 15:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)

:Probably not what happened, but it could always be possible that pikemen dwarves could immigrate to your fort. --[[User:Myroc|Myroc]] 15:47, 16 February 2009 (EST)

::Possibly a member of a human caravan. Dwarves belonging to other civs still get buried in your coffins. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:56, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::More likely a kidnapped child who returned as attacker with goblins. They too end up in your coffins.--[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


=== Whip ===
So how does the game ensure that a dwarf can't wear a whip in fortress mode? --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 23:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Maul ==

 A maul is a <s>very</s>, very large, heavy hammer...
Just as there are axes for work and there are battle axes, there are mauls for work and there are mauls for battle.  I've always pictured a "battle maul" as something MUCH different from a sledge hammer, even tho' when you use a "maul and wedge" (to split wood), you're (probably) just using a generic sledge from the hardware store.  Just as a war hammer is much bigger than a claw hammer (perhaps starting at the size of a one-handed sledge, or bigger), a maul is another step up from that - cartoony big, looking more like a section of a treetrunk (banded and decorated, or not) on a proportionally large handle.  In Conan the Barbarian, one of the bad guys had a maul, one that he missed <s>Arnold</s> Conan with an broke a huge stone column in <s>James Earl Jones'</s> Thulsa Doom's lair.  To me, that's a "maul", in the combat sense. Meh.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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 :::Thanks.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 02:08, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
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-Dwarves can use bows! At least when they are trained by goblins to use them against you. I think therefore it's rather something cultural that does them forbid to use bows than their fingers.
---[[User:Arni|Arni]] 16:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
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   A maul is a <s>very</s>, very large, heavy hammer...
+Just as there are axes for work and there are battle axes, there are mauls for work and there are mauls for battle.  I've always pictured a "battle maul" as something MUCH different from a sledge hammer, even tho' when you use a "maul and wedge" (to split wood), you're (probably) just using a generic sledge from the hardware store.  Just as a war hammer is much bigger than a claw hammer (perhaps starting at the size of a one-handed sledge, or bigger), a maul is another step up from that - cartoony big, looking more like a section of a treetrunk (banded and decorated, or not) on a proportionally large handle.  In Conan the Barbarian, one of the bad guys had a maul, one that he missed <s>Arnold</s> Conan with an broke a huge stone column in <s>James Earl Jones'</s> Thulsa Doom's lair.  To me, that's a "maul", in the combat sense. Meh.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- (and actually a term for sledge hammer))
-And a "spear" is a term for something you go snorkling with to catch little fishies.  Just as there are axes for work and there are battle axes, there are mauls for work and there are mauls for battle.  I've always pictured a "battle maul" as something MUCH different from a sledge hammer, even tho' when you use a "maul and wedge" (to split wood), you're (probably) just using a generic sledge from the hardware store.  Just as a war hammer is much bigger than a claw hammer (perhaps starting at the size of a one-handed sledge, or bigger), a maul is another step up from that - cartoony big, looking more like a section of a treetrunk (banded and decorated, or not) on a proportionally large handle.  In Conan the Barbarian, one of the bad guys had a maul, one that he missed <s>Arnold</s> Conan with and broke a huge <s>plaster</s> stone column in <s>James Earl Jones'</s> Thulsa Doom's lair.  To me, that's a "maul", in the combat sense. Meh.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
-Can goblins wield mauls? It says here that only humans can, but many hammer goblins in sieges have been seen with them. Are they actually wielding them or just carrying them?
---[[User:Newtype0083|Newtype0083]] 04:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
-:If an [[invader]] is carrying a weapon, you can bet it hasn't been brought (intentionally) as a gift.--[[Special:Contributions/75.62.155.145|75.62.155.145]] 06:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
-== Flail ==
-One of my macedwarf champions is merrily holding a flail. This leads me to suspect that dwarves can use the weapon despite it not being listed so, here. :D
---[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
-:Checked all my macedwarves, and a few of them are using flails. GASP! --[[Special:Contributions/131.111.213.42|131.111.213.42]] 20:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)