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== Raw ripping ==
  
Many categories in the DF2014 namespace don't list some of the pages that have the category link. An empty edit on a page (well, any edit) will correct this, but only for that page. This sounds like a job for a bot. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] ([[User talk:VengefulDonut|talk]]) 19:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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Several questions about things I'd like to implement (check my [[User_talk:Asva|userpage]] for current progress):
:I'm pretty sure that's a cache problem, so I'll try rebuilding link tables on the server side and see if that helps (it would probably be a lot faster than sending a bot around to null-edit every page). &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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* Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
::This has been fixed. The problem was that the server that actually runs the job queue was still using the old configuration (without the DF2014 namespace). &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:17, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
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* Bulk upload images for workshops, doable?
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* I'm currently working on images-from-raws script. Is it possible to use actual graphic tiles?
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* In perspective, script should take every possible information from raws. For workshops it would be: keybind, components, profession, size, reactions, maybe even input and output. Which as well opens the way for such a glorious implementations as: workshop of profession list, output/input to workshop list, workhop|keybind|components table etc. With less possible tedious editing required. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 12:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
  
== Diagram ==
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: > Don't those fancy scripts increase traffic cost and such?
 
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:They do increase the time it takes to generate pages, especially if they pull a
Take a look over [[DF talk:diagram|here]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] ([[User talk:VengefulDonut|talk]]) 15:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Ceramic Industry page assistance. ==
 
 
 
(Message here) --[[User:DorfyDave|DorfyDave]] ([[User talk:DorfyDave|talk]]) 04:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 
Thanks for the help with the ceramic industry stuff.
 
 
 
I see what you are doing with the thumbnail workflows on other pages, so if you would rather it be small and let the reader expand it, that would be fine.
 
 
 
I was thinking that the pages looked better with the intro section before the regular content, keeping it separate from the auto TOC / Header listed content, but if you prefer that everything follow the layered header format, that's fine.
 
 
 
:My primary concern was the wrapping caused by inserting the full-size flowchart next to a section. It looks like you've addressed that by splitting up the flowchart, which looks good to me. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Removing/restoring [[Main:Fruit]] ==
 
 
 
Not that I am protesting it, but why exactly did you remove and then restore the [[Main:Fruit]] page? Because to me, all that happened now is that the creation entry on the page's history is gone, which isn't really anything notable either.
 
--{{User:Latias1290/Sig/src|13:03|August 26, 2014}} 13:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 
:I deleted it at first because I didn't realize AutoRedirect wasn't handling section redirects properly, then restored it when I noticed it was broken. That article's [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Fruit&action=history history] still shows your revision, so I'm not sure what you mean - is it missing from [[Special:RecentChanges]]? &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 
::The creation entry I was talking about was actually the first entry, and the entry that is now the only
 
  
== Vermin Lookup Template ==
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Arrow:
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<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-21px;left:-16px">
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[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
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</div></div>
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Bush:
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<div style="background:#00CC00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-32px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
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</div></div>
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Something:
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<div style="width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-32px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
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</div></div>
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2,3,1:
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<div style="background:#0000FF;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-53px;left:-32px">
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[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
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</div></div><div style="background:#FF0000;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-48px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]
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</div></div><div style="background:#00FF00;width:16px;height:16px;overflow:hidden;position:relative"><div style="position:relative;top:-48px;left:-16px">[[File:Phoebus 16x16.png|link=]]</div></div>
  
I was wondering, is it alright if you change up the <code>verminlookup</code> template like you did the <code>creaturelookup</code> one? --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 06:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
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Though the padding is a bit weird. Somewhy for "arrow" and "2" it is not dividable by 16. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 11:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:Are you asking me to do it? &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 16:16, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 
::Well, yeah. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 18:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 
:::So uhhhhhhhh... Leth, my man. Are you gonna... change the template or...? Edit: I could just use the v50 creature template still if that's okay with you. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 03:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 
::::My time is limited, and the way you asked kind of rubbed me the wrong way, although I don't think you meant to. I'll get to it. It doesn't require any special permissions, and it's pretty much just copying what I did for creaturelookup (I'm going to edit a few templates to pass through an "image" argument, then copy the image piece from {{tl|CreatureInfo v0.40}} into the innermost template), so I would suggest taking a look at the changes so you can familiarize yourself with how the templates work. There are a lot of layers, but they're pretty much standard MediaWiki templates until you get down to {{tl|tag}}, {{tl|tagvalue}}, and others that use DFRawFunctions. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 04:31, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 
  
::::To be fair, {{tl|VerminInfo}} ended up having two minor differences from {{tl|CreatureInfo v0.40}} that I resolved (described in [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:CreatureInfo_v0.40&diff=prev&oldid=285703 this edit]), but the edits to {{tl|verminlookup/0}} and {{tl|verminlookup/aux}} were just a matter of passing through an "image" parameter, similar to {{tl|creaturelookup/0}}. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 04:44, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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* I'm almost done. Here's the [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00364.jpg result]. And that's how it looks after I save the page [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57572806/screenshoot_00365.jpg =.=]. Same syntax as before. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 14:28, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I wasn't trying to sound rude. I couldn't tell if you were waiting for one of us to change it or if you were already planning on doing it. The irony is, I was trying to sound less pushy and somehow ended up sounding more pushy. Are you also able to add the "toggle" thing to the vermin infoboxes like that of the other creatures? Edit: If you're not too busy that is. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 21:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 
::::::I already did. It should behave identically to the creature infoboxes (and does on my end). &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 
:::::::Ah yes, you're right, sorry. My laptop wasn't refreshing any pages for some reason. Thank you, the work you do on this wiki is phenomenal. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 23:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 
::::::::I should also add (because I don't remember if I said this before on another page), are you alright with me using the "v50_buildings" template I made for all the buildings in the v50 game? I don't want to keep bothering you for every single template. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 23:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 
:::::::::v50 pages should be using {{tl|buildings}}, which will use {{tl|v50 buildings}} automatically on v50 pages. This is important so that future version migrations (if any) work. I confirmed that I see the v50 template on [[Bars]] and [[Altar]]. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== Reducing space taken up by headers ==
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Wow, nice work. A few things I've noticed about the tiles, though - they don't seem to support non-square tilesets or different foreground colors. :( Personally, I'd prefer to use JavaScript for this (assuming I can get transparency to work) but the CSS works a lot better than I expected.
  
Migrated articles have a ton of vertical space taken by headers, could we reduce it a bit?
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(And by the way, the "Close" button at the bottom of the [https://github.com/quietust/DFRawFunctions/pull/3 pull request] is probably what you're looking for.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
  
# Could you combine the bullets in [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] to one line?
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:> support non-square tilesets
# Any objections to [[Template_talk:ArticleVersion#.22Note_that_some_content_may_still_need_to_be_updated..22|my suggestion here]] to combine the av and migrated boxes into one before I go do it? Especially now that the Quality template shows up between them. [[User:OddballJoe|OddballJoe]] ([[User talk:OddballJoe|talk]]) 18:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 
  
:I am hesitant to do (1) because I want to make certain points obvious, and I think the link to the discussion page is important. For (2) I replied at that talk page. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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:Probably fixaeble. Non square big tiles can be squarified. That will make messy code even messier...
  
== Version history reorg ==
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:Foreground colors? You mean, for monochrome tilesets? I don't think supporting these would be of any merit. For workshop articles, ascii and graphic tiles are plenty. Only implementation - would be tricky option, allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list.
  
Planning to rearrange how version pages work a little, wanted to give you a heads-up in case you object. [[Talk:Release_information]] --[[User:OddballJoe|OddballJoe]] ([[User talk:OddballJoe|talk]]) 22:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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:Surely, clean javascript would suit much better.
:Thanks, haven't had a lot of time to keep up-to-date but I weighed in briefly. Will watch that page. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 23:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 
:: When you have a chance, could you or another admin look over the edit I proposed at [[Template talk:Release notes]] and execute it or provide feedback? Thanks. -[[User:OddballJoe|OddballJoe]] ([[User talk:OddballJoe|talk]]) 23:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== do_it_right best practices ==
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:PS Thanks for github editing and supportive information. --[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 18:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
  
This - [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#We_are_doing_this.21_Let_us_do_it_right.]] - is awesome! Good on you if you wrote it.  
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::I was referring to the text color - for example, the background color of the numbers above (2,3,1) can easily be changed to red, green, and blue, but the colors of the numbers themselves are still white (I'm not even sure if it's possible to do this in CSS, although it could be). You're probably right about workshops not needing them, though.
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::> allowing any user to chose his favorite tileset from list
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::Definitely possible with an extension (could be added in [[Special:Preferences]] somewhere, for example), although it would require at least some JS to modify the CSS appropriately. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
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::: I'm talking about [[Graphics_set_repository|graphics sets]]. You can't possibly change color without turning them into monochrome+alpha. Which is weird and probably bothersome.
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::: While for [[Tileset_repository|tilesets]] the idea is valid.
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* While working on items I encountered tags like FIRE_BUILD_SAFE, NEEDS_MAGMA, WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY. Don't you have an idea, how those can be put in workshop or item template without taking too much space?
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* About huge tables (f.e. workshop | buildmat | tiled image | build profession). Is it possible to make them editable only by your bot? Like, simply update once new version arrives? Otherwise large tables may hurt server costs.
  
No action needed, just a note of appreciation. I endeavor to wiki righteously!
 
--[[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 02:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 
  
:That predates me by a few years, actually. You have [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal&dir=prev&action=history several people] to thank for that. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 02:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hi.
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I remade the previous script a bit. Now it uses global array of objects. Which means, to get any output you'll have to (pseudocode warning):
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* <nowiki>{{load files}}</nowiki>
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* <nowiki>{{process files}}</nowiki>
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* <nowiki>{{output files}}</nowiki>
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Beforehead, I passed all data for every function just to avoid excessive file loading. Was hectic, hard to debug, hard to process.
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As for now, stuff seems much brighter. For instance, I can make <nowiki>{{show me errors}}</nowiki> wiki template without much ado.
  
== front page green banner weirdness ==
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So, back to globals, is it a good idea (safety-wise)? Won't it break something?
  
If you view the front page logged out there is some misformatted markup above the green v50 info for editors site notice. I couldn't figure out how to correct it or where it was being inserted.
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BTW, I decided on quietust's functionality. I'll left it intact. Won't touch a thing. I'll use only one parser template, which is <nowiki>{{#df:}}</nowiki>. Approved, sir?--[[User:Asva|Asva]] ([[User talk:Asva|talk]]) 19:18, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
  
It reads <nowiki>border-radius: 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px; -moz-border-radius: 4px; -o-border-radius: 4px; -ms-border-radius: 4px;</includly><nnclude>
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== ArticleVersion bug? ==
Template:Documntation <clude> "></nowiki> and inspect source shows goat.jpg with alt text "rip this wiki."
 
  
Where should I report this? Is a screenshot helpful?
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The updated ArticleVersion template seems to believe [[Dwarf Fortress Italia]] is in the 40d namespace. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:48, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
--[[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 00:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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:That's because there was a redirect created when I moved [[40d:Dwarf Fortress Italia]] to the main namespace. I don't know of any way to resolve redirects from a template, so I just removed {{#delay:av}} from the article altogether. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:21, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
:About a week ago or whatever, we had a really, ''really'' nasty vandal. That's an old leftover of his "work". --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 01:13, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 
  
:I just cleared the site-wide cache. That didn't seem to have an immediate effect on the main page, so I purged it manually as well. If you see any other instances of this, feel free to purge the cache yourself: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Purge &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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== New Push Page ==
::Seems to be gone now! [[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 02:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== ru colon ==
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Hey man I wanted to create a page about the default "push" attack creatures have, as its not always clear what that attack is. I thought I'd put some concrete into about it and a list of creatures that use it by default. I made the page and added content, but I really have no idea what I'm doing such as how to add that version box for what version of DF its for how to add it to the df2012 namespace...whatever namespace is. And how to see a list of categories. Internal links to creatures also will not work. I thought creating a page would be easy, apparently not.
  
What does <nowiki>ru:</nowiki>, as in <nowiki>[[ru:Language]]</nowiki>, do? Is "ru" is a name space? Maybe one created programmatically or with permission restrictions? Can you point me to where the doc is or where it should be? If it doesn't exist I'll create it as best I can. Thanks. [[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 06:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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Also is it ok to link to things like my Amazon Writing profile on my talk page? I just wanted to put something about me there and what I do.
: interwiki link to russian site... [[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 23:33, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== Adding vermin to the "Creatures" page... ==
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Thanks. Hope you're liking my edits.
  
May I ask why vermin and other creatures are on seperate pages? And can I add the vermin list to the creatures list? --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 11:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Push
:It's not something I decided and I'm not the only one you should ask (i.e. I would ask on a talk page somewhere), but my guess (based on several other distinctions I've seen across the wiki) is that it's due to vermin having different characteristics from other creatures. [[Vermin]] gives a far better explanation than I could. The two options I see are to either make more prominent cross-links in the explanatory text at [[Creature]] and [[Vermin]], or include the vermin table but make it very clear that vermin are different from other creatures. I don't really have a strong preference, although I do tend to stick with the established workflows (i.e. this distinction has worked for >10 years... not that we shouldn't improve it). &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 05:23, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== Plant and Tree Infoboxes ==
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:I took care of the namespace and link problems - you just add "DF2012:" to the beginning of the title to create a page in the DF2012 namespace. The link issue was a result of capitalization - MediaWiki treats the entire article title as case-sensitive except for the first letter.
Me and Oddballjoe were wondering if you could add the image pass to the plants and tree infoboxes. If you have any time to spare that is. Those template pages look super outdated and I can't tell if they use the "aux" templates or not. I made a proposal for the trees:
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:Anyway, putting up links to your other profiles on your user page is fine with me (as long as they're not super-promotional or inappropriate), and some other users have done things like that too. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
<gallery widths="223px" heights="324px">
 
tree_infobox_example.png|Trunk and tile.
 
tree_infobox_example2.png|Trunk, branch, leaves and tile.
 
</gallery>
 
I mean, if that's easier to set up then the toggle thing. Again, if you want, and if you have the time. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 01:17, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:I like the side-by-side idea. I'll try to find time this week. From a quick spot-check: [[Abaca]] uses {{tl|treelookup/0}}, which uses {{tl|treelookup/aux}}, which uses one of a few TreeInfo templates. It was using an old one for main (v50) pages, which I [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Treelookup/aux&diff=prev&oldid=290794 just fixed here] - is that what you meant by "super outdated"? That's the only issue I saw (a template being old doesn't necessarily mean it's outdated).
 
:Anyway, if you're interested in editing templates, I'd suggest watching the edit history of all of these to see what changes are needed. Your [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Treelookup/aux&diff=prev&oldid=290788 image change to treelookup/aux] looks fine to me, but it wouldn't have done anything by itself without corresponding changes to the other templates I mentioned. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 04:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 
::No matter how hard I eyeball the edit history of the other templates, I can ''never'' figure out what the sweet hell I'm missing. Adding <code><nowiki>{{{image|}}}</nowiki></code> doesn't seem to do anything. I have no idea what other components must be added after that - to any page. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 06:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 
:::Have you decided when you're gonna update the plant and tree infoboxes? For the record, it's no rush. Any time you choose is perfectly fine by me, even if it's next year. I added all the trunk and log sprites/colors, so that's that one done. I personally prefer the side-by-side proposal for the trees, but it's up to you, since you're the head admin. Also, I think the soillookup template (and any other similar template I probably can't think of right now) should have the toggle thing as well, but again, all up to you. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 01:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== spheres ==
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Great, thanks for fixing it. I didn't realize it was that easy. and i didn't know about the case sensitive thing either I'll keep that in mind.
  
I found a list of 130 "spheres" here - https://github.com/DFHack/df-structures/blob/master/df.language.xml - and thought they were related to symbols. On comparison, they don't seem to be. What are spheres? [[User:Jerimee/spheres]]  
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And thank you I will then. I've done plenty of writing :) [[User:Proudnerd|Proudnerd]] ([[User talk:Proudnerd|talk]]) 00:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
  
''(I understand that the data at DFHack is structured for that mod, and the files there are not DF game files or DF raws. On line 209 I see you're importing the symbols directly. I'm interested in df.language.xml because it appears to structure the game data.)''
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== Rating script bug ==
  
--[[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 23:33, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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It appears the new rating script is stripping returns when it rearranges ArticleVersion templates ([http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012:Engraving&diff=next&oldid=193707 example]). This can lead to [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012:Climate&diff=prev&oldid=193509 page layout problems]. Can you revise the rating script to retain the returns?--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 19:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
  
:Could you ask DFHack questions in one of the [https://docs.dfhack.org/en/stable/docs/Introduction.html#getting-help DFHack support channels] instead? I don't personally know the answer to this one. (If by line 209 you mean [https://github.com/DFHack/df-structures/blob/8ae81f8d8f1f96d82b9074b205073bb8e8d29f96/df.language.xml#L209 this], that is only specifying the global vector that contains instances of "language_symbol".) &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
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: I did manage to fix the second example you listed in the script with a recent update, which was caused by accidentally retaining spaces (see [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012%3AClimate&diff=193830&oldid=193829 this edit]), but I'll try to make it work with the source code better. Thanks for pointing out the first example, too – I hadn't thought of that as a possibility. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
  
== Quality rating misunderstanding ==
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::Just to point out, your test didn't have any spaces after the <nowiki>{{av}}</nowiki> template. But, beyond spaces, a number of special characters (such as ":") could probably still cause problems if they end up attached to the beginning of a paragraph. You could probably just add an extra return after the av template line to prevent most problems.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:17, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
  
Hi, I noticed you have had to undo a small percentage of my quality ratings. I was trying to be helpful, and always checking the [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality|quality]] guidelines, so I thought I'd drop you a comment here, so I can avoid wasting your time in future. To be specific, I think I am misinterpreting the use of [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality#Tattered|"tattered"]] rating, and I'm hoping you can give me some more specific guidelines. Also, for context: I have only started to get familiar with the wiki, as an editor, for a month or so, but I realise that there is currently an extremely high number of unrated pages post-v50.
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:The rating script is apparently still stripping newlines: [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012:Native_aluminum&curid=22324&diff=194068&oldid=188188 Native aluminum]  [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012:Bismuthinite&curid=22309&diff=194067&oldid=178239 Bismuthinite]. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 15:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
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::This should be [https://github.com/lethosor/dfwiki-rater/commit/0bd88981d5eee69e90223e23a4f8a238871486e1 fixed] now. (I actually fixed this about an hour ago, but I didn't save the fix to the branch used on this wiki -_-) This wiki automatically fetches updates for the rating script, so it should probably be updated in an hour or less (the new version that should appear on [[Special:Version]] is 1.0.2). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:13, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
I think my main points of confusion are the [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality#Tattered|tattered]] guidelines mentioning "lacks information", 'inaccurate information' and  'strictly need improvement'. From my perspective, one, or sometimes, all of these criteria, were the reason for my quality rating edit. Often, I felt these pages also very clearly didn't meet the criteria of a [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality#Tattered|"fine"]] rating, as defined on the same [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality|quality]] page, and consequently, leaves me quite perplexed. This is a long preamble to give context to, and hopefully not sound offensive when I say, that though I realise edit comments aren't very useful for detailed explanations, just commenting along the lines of 'that is not what the rating is for' has left me more, rather than less, confused.
 
Hopefully there is a clear misunderstanding of the guidelines on my part. However, if it is not so obvious in retrospect; considering the large number of currently unrated pages, could I suggest a review of the wording and examples on the [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Quality|quality]] rating page?
 
--[[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 13:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 
  
:Sorry, I made a hasty edit and summary and should have clarified. What I meant is that ''only'' tagging an article as "tattered" isn't really what the quality rating system is for, because that doesn't tell the user ''what'' is wrong with the article (is it outdated? incomplete? something else?). I think a combination of marking the article with {{tl|quality|tattered}} and marking the affected information with {{tl|old}} or another appropriate template would help make it more obvious what the problem is. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 05:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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:Thanks! ...But now the script is inserting an extra newline each time the page is rated [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2012:Mud_man&diff=next&oldid=194135]. This may lead to content creeping down the page until the newlines are manually removed. Is it possible to only add newlines when rearranging the page templates? --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
::Ahh, that makes a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying. In future, if I am just doing a quick edit like that for rating/improvement notes, that would benefit from elaboration, I'll be sure to leave a comment on the talk page. On a related note, I hadn't properly read the {{tl|Old}} documentation, and thought it was redundant with {{tl|Migrated article}}. So, one final question: In this case, if it looks like the only issues are with recent version changes, would it make sense to ''replace'' <nowiki>{{migrated article}}</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{old}}</nowiki> ( presumably <nowiki>{{old|v=50."xx"}}</nowiki> ), rather than leave both tags? --[[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 17:19, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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::Wow, thanks for noticing that! Right now the {{#delay:quality}} replacement is using a single regex, and I fixed the last problem by changing \s to a space. Apparently I forgot that this was the reason it included newlines in the first place. I'll fix this when I can (hopefully in the next couple of days). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 21:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Sure, I think that makes sense. I think {{tl|migrated article}} is less specific and mostly for unchecked content that may or may not be outdated (while {{tl|old}} and similar templates are more specific to what needs to change). &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 
::::I thought it might be a good idea to share my current edit of [[XML_dump|XML dump]]. I suspect it may now be a bit too cluttered with (possibly redundant) info from tags, but I thought it might be a good reference for you to consider. Feel free to just revert, but if you have any notes on best practices for an article like this, I'll take them on board. Very brief overview of reasoning in summary comment. --[[User:Alpacalypse|Alpacalypse]] ([[User talk:Alpacalypse|talk]]) 17:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== No problem ==
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I've also noticed that the rating script tab appears at the top of pages that it shouldn't, such as [[Special:RecentChanges]]. That's a pretty minor bug, but if you're changing it anyway and it's easy to fix... --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 18:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
  
Hello Lethosor,
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:I can definitely get that done. The only reason I hadn't was because I didn't want to create future issues with new namespaces, but that's no longer an issue since I made the script into an extension. I'm probably going to implement this as a system message (and maybe a preferences option as well). Hopefully I can get to these things today or tomorrow. --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 18:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
  
Thanks for reverting the page back. I've been a fan of the DF wiki for quite a while, and when I saw the
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::This part is done ([[Special:Version|v1.0.3]]): see [[Mediawiki:rater-enable-ns]] and [[Mediawiki:rater-disable-ns]] (which specify a list of namespaces to enable/disable rating). Other namespaces still allow the rating to be viewed, but not saved (which is really only useful for testing purposes). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
vandalism, I wanted to nip it in the bud immediately.  I'm glad someone who knew how to repair
 
things more efficiently found the solution quickly!
 
  
Sincerely,
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And I've fixed the issues with whitespace, as far as I can tell. The only one that wasn't resolvable was <pre>{{av}} {{quality...}} content</pre> which is changed to: <pre>{{quality...}}
johnf5007
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{{av}}content</pre> (this doesn't cause any layout problems, and the source doesn't appear any worse than it was before). The recent edits I made to [[DF2012:Native aluminum]] were using an older version of the script – the current version works fine. (I've also added a debug mode, so I can test the script on the [[Sandbox]] in the future instead of messing with content pages.) --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
--[[User:Johnf5007|Johnf5007]] ([[User talk:Johnf5007|talk]]) 23:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== Fighting against vandalism ==
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== Creature template problem ==
  
Hello, I noticed that recently the wiki has been attacked by vandals. How should I notify the administrators if such a thing keeps occurring? [[User:Lowtax|Lowtax]] ([[User talk:Lowtax|talk]]) 23:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
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Creature pages for untamable egg-laying creatures (like [[raven man|raven men]]) currently show them producing food products. Untamed egg-laying creatures don't actually produce eggs in this version (and probably wouldn't willingly hand them over to a hungry dwarf even if they did). The template probably needs to check that the creature has [PET] or [PET_EXOTIC]. --[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 20:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:They have already been notified (myself included) and have dealt with it. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 
::Okay, understood. Is there any noticeboard for vandalism for future incidents? [[User:Lowtax|Lowtax]] ([[User talk:Lowtax|talk]]) 01:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 
:::[[DF:AIV]] can work, especially for isolated incidents. Usually people will notice pretty quickly for larger incidents. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 01:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 
::::Okay, I'll keep that in mind. [[User:Lowtax|Lowtax]] ([[User talk:Lowtax|talk]]) 15:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 
:::::Yes, I'm sure you will the next time you try to vandalize our site. Don't you have anything better to do with your spare time? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 16:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== (Please delete this after you read this message) ==
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:Fixed (it now checks for {{token|PET|c}} and {{token|PET_EXOTIC|c}}). --[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 22:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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== Bot tests ==
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Testing on Python 3.4.0b1 --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  
Okay then I shall do more edits and try to upload my data. I just wanted to update the data on the wiki from my steam guides.
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Testing on Python 2.7.5 --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:11, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I tried reaching out from bay12games forums but I do not know if you got the message so I am reverting here.  
 
Here are my steam guides for you to see :https://steamcommunity.com/id/Sniper231996/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=975370
 
--[[User:Sniper231996|Sniper231996]] ([[User talk:Sniper231996|talk]]) 08:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 
  
== Plant Sprite Entry ==
 
  
Are you alright adding a space where a sprite can be inserted on the "plantlookup" template? I made a mockup of what I'm talking about (https://i.imgur.com/txw7AZs.png). Are you also alright with adding the "switch" thing to plants and tree pages? Like how it is on the creature pages? I hate to keep bothering you about these things, but I have no idea how you make those changes. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 11:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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Testing on Python 3.4.0b3 --[[User:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f40;">LethosorBot</span>]] ([[User talk:LethosorBot|<span style="color:#f62;">talk</span>]] | [[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] | [[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 19:51, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  
== Unable to upload GIFs ==
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== Spammer ==
  
Greetings, I'm trying to upload a new GIF (well within the size limit of 2 MB) but I seem to always get an error message that I'm new/not logged in when I'm neither. The [[Special:Upload|upload page]] reads that you need to have made at least 3 edits before you can upload images, and I currently have 5, so I can't tell for sure what is triggering this error (and preventing me from uploading). I'd like to know, thanks!
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Anon [[Special:Contributions/125.39.106.149|125.39.106.149]] was vandalizing [[DF2012:Creature|this page]]. Undone, just saying so you can go on blocking xD <br />{{User:Latias1290/Sig/src|10:01|January 12, 2014}}
--[[User:Moradin|Moradin]] ([[User talk:Moradin|talk]]) 10:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 
* You actually need '''10''' edits in order to upload images - the text on the Upload page is out of date. Incidentally, given the description of the image you tried to upload, I'm not sure if the license you selected was appropriate. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] ([[User talk:Quietust|talk]]) 14:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 
* You are a new user, actually - you created your account about 2 days ago. The current limits are in place due to some vandalism incidents we had a few months ago. You've definitely passed the edit threshold now, and I think you have probably passed the account age threshold now too. Also, I second Quietust's concerns about the image you were trying to upload. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 
** Thanks for clearing that out; about the GIF, it comes from Tenor.com and I had already checked their ToS, where it's stated that all content submitted by Tenor users (so even the GIF at issue) is licensed to Google, which in turn allows it to be shared for non-commercial purposes. --[[User:Moradin|Moradin]] ([[User talk:Moradin|talk]]) 21:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 

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