40d Talk:Dwarf

I don't really see the point of those pictures, but that isn't a good enough reason to remove them.
If you have any reasons for which the picture(s) should stay or should not stay, please give them. --Savok 09:58, 4 November 2007 (EST)

I believe that the pictures help visualize the things talked about in this article, for instance, the dwarven stature, the artifacts dwarves are said to make, and a little joke about managers. -- Bovinepro

The joke is just plain stupid and DF doesn't connect axes and dwarves at all.

I suggest placing a smaller, possibly improved version of the picture directly in the article, and deleting the other two. --Savok 23:39, 5 November 2007 (EST)

This entire article, barring the 3rd paragraph, has nothing to do with the game and should be tossed. --Moller 02:45, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I agree. I plan to rewrite it in the form of Human and Elf. The wiki can have some humour, but this doesn't fit the tone at all. --Turgid Bolk 14:22, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Done, a complete revamp. I considered removing the Mythology section too and just linking to the wikipedia article, but I suppose it doesn't hurt the article any. --Turgid Bolk 21:45, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Do dwarf chicks have beards?--Tarsier 21:58, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Usually, no. Unless you are talking about a hardcore mythology version in a very specific locale, like the example image you get if you follow the Wiki link. For DF, I don't think there ever been a fixed description, so it would be up to Toady to decide in the end... --Eagle of Fire 23:20, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Naturally. All dwarves have beards, according to Tolkien. This is a page for discussing the article, though, not for discussing dwarves in general. That kind of stuff is for the forum. --Turgid Bolk 23:27, 13 November 2007 (EST)

It's not like Tolkien is an ultimate reference to anything... --Eagle of Fire 03:10, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Considering Tolkien defined the modern conception of dwarves as a separate race famed for their love of wealth and mining prowess, and he also created the plural dwarves as opposed to dwarfs, which would be the proper plural for non-'fantasy' dwarfs (genetic disease in a minority of humans - dwarfism), eg, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (who are actually just short people in early versions that even include dwarfs, not a different race, and its unclear when the characters Snow White lives with became miners - the Disney version certainly post-dates the Hobbit by about 6 years - and her housemates are originally non-dwarf robbers in early versions of the tale).

And you can't say that dwarves are solely a Norse Mythology-inspired race, as dwarfs and 'dark' elfs in Norse Mythology are indistinguishable, and both terms often used for the same characters. These characters are often mischevious but also reknowned for possession of valuable objects and strange knowledge, much like the Faerie of diluted Celtic mythology, and while Tolkien likely used them for inspiration, he did much of the creative work in establishing the modern view of dwarves (and elves for that matter). Its not even clear Norse dwarfs are subterranean, as while they live in the 'lower' worlds, Midgard is certainly not subterranean and Asgard is 'above' it, which means the lower worlds may easily have their own sky. --Squirrelloid 19:36, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Are you perhaps confusing Tolkien with Richard Wagner?--Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!) 21:53, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Has anyone tried editing dwarves so they can fly? I'm wondering how that would work in fortress mode. Cliffside fortress, anyone?--Smoking Gnu 20:33, 23 November 2007 (EST)

I did some research on dwarfs and how long they can live without water. I reclaimed a fortress using 63 dwarfs and brought no alcohol with me, and at the site there was no liquid water. They all died nearly instantaneously after 2 months and 7 days Diabl0658 00:08, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Life cycle

The article could be improved with some information about

• mating / babies / birth
• infancy
• childhood
• adulthood
• old age

Do each of these stages exist?

• Sleep cycles

Dwarves seem to hit the sack pretty much at the same time. Is it a seasonal thing or based on workload?

• marriage

Do dwarves get married or just "shack up"? If I reallocate the bedroom does only one leave or both of them?

• Death and grief

I was hoping to find some information about how long children stay children for. Being of the Nintendo Generation I have been suprised how long they stay kids for (anyone played SIMS? 3 days from birth to school!) but then I guess a year takes a long time in DF. Given "traditional" dwarves are meant to be long-lived does that mean the children will still be children in 30 game years time? GarrieIrons 05:51, 4 February 2008 (EST)

Dwarves dont marry or shack up. All marriage occurs "off stage" and the married couples then arrive at your fotress. Childhood lasts 12 years. When a dwarf dies, all of their friends and family get an unhappy thought. If their corpse decomposes outside of a coffin, they get an additional unhappy thought. VengefulDonut 10:27, 4 February 2008 (EST) addendum added by --ThunderClaw 17:11, 14 October 2008 (EDT): This is not true, or at least is no longer true. Single Dwarves will get married, but they need to be lovers for quite some time. 5 years is roughly what I've come to expect. Note that dwarves can and do break up after starting a relationship, so it's very unlikely that you'll ever see a wave of marriages.

Your edit just after this one was to child. I guess that article answers some of my questions, but I wouldn't have thought to look there. I will sort out how this article should link to this one.

There are only three stages aren't there: child, dwarf and deceased?GarrieIrons 05:25, 5 February 2008 (EST)

I've had dwarves already living at my fortress get married; they have a wedding reception and everything. Also, sleep appears to be based on a hidden timer, but it's hard to tell. They do tend to go to sleep around the same time as each other, yet not at the same time, so there may be some kind of variation.Eurytus 10:16, 2 April 2008 (EST)

Object Data?

Do dwarves even have object data? Should it be included? Cause I wan't to know their size. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patarak (talk•contribs)

Yes. First entry in creature standard.txt VengefulDonut 14:47, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Verify tag about throwing peebles

I'm pretty sure the original writter of that sentence wanted to talk about the boulder throwing tantruming dwarves. --Eagle of Fire 09:57, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Fortress

Anyone have a map of a typical game-generated fortress? Random832 15:23, 14 October 2008 (EDT)