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*What are you, an elf? WHen a real dwarf doesn't know something, he'll grab his pickaxe and churn the magmapumps until he's found out! Bringing doom and destruction upon the world in the name of !!SCIENCE!! all day, every day!--[[User:Guardian of Silverybearded|Guardian of Silverybearded]] ([[User talk:Guardian of Silverybearded|talk]]) 13:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC) | *What are you, an elf? WHen a real dwarf doesn't know something, he'll grab his pickaxe and churn the magmapumps until he's found out! Bringing doom and destruction upon the world in the name of !!SCIENCE!! all day, every day!--[[User:Guardian of Silverybearded|Guardian of Silverybearded]] ([[User talk:Guardian of Silverybearded|talk]]) 13:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
| − | + | == Friendly Acquaintance == | |
I'm noticing a "Friendly Terms" that is different from "Friend". Anyone know how this fits into the relationship hierarchy? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] ([[User talk:Squirrelloid|talk]]) 22:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC) | I'm noticing a "Friendly Terms" that is different from "Friend". Anyone know how this fits into the relationship hierarchy? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] ([[User talk:Squirrelloid|talk]]) 22:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
| + | : Do "long-term acquaintances" still exist? I don't see any in my fort's relationships on a cursory look in v43.05. I do see a lot of "friendly terms". Did the name get changed from "long-term acquaintance" to "friendly terms" in this version? Does the dead of a "friendly terms" dwarf cause negative thoughts? At any rate, "friendly acquaintance" is now included in the list of relationships, but I think the article could use more information about this. --[[User:2128|2128]] ([[User talk:2128|talk]]) 00:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
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By the time I noticed, the husband and lover were both dead. There was a time after her husband died that her lover was a ghost, and they interacted for a while before he was put to rest. It's possible the lover romance began after he was already a ghost. Again, not sure exactly what happened since I didn't notice their relationships earlier. --[[User:2128|2128]] ([[User talk:2128|talk]]) 22:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC) | By the time I noticed, the husband and lover were both dead. There was a time after her husband died that her lover was a ghost, and they interacted for a while before he was put to rest. It's possible the lover romance began after he was already a ghost. Again, not sure exactly what happened since I didn't notice their relationships earlier. --[[User:2128|2128]] ([[User talk:2128|talk]]) 22:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == More than one master at a time? == | ||
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| + | Is it possible for a dwarf to study under more than one master at the same time? --[[User:2128|2128]] ([[User talk:2128|talk]]) 00:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Relationship forming mechanics update for temples and taverns == | ||
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| + | I don't think I've ever seen any of my dwarves doing a "chat" activity in my v43.05 fortress. They do "Socialize", they sing music, they listen to poetry, they tell stories, and I don't know quite how all of these activities affect their relationships. The ones that spend a lot of time in the taverns seem to get to know each other. --[[User:2128|2128]] ([[User talk:2128|talk]]) 00:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == mutually exclusive? == | ||
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| + | Is there any relationship that are mutually exclusive? e.g. can two dwarfs both be friends and have a grudge; or have a 'grudge' with 'Long-term Acquaintance' who is 'Former Master' and a 'Nephew'. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 00:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ≡EXCEPTIONAL≡ my ass. This article is very confusing, it does a great job of listing all the relationships types that can be seen in the Relationships screen, but not their effect or how they work. The personal relationships system is akin to d&d one. Where you have relationship levels that grow through interaction 'Passing Acquaintance '-> 'Long-term Acquaintance' eventually forming either friendship or grudge depending on compatibility. | ||
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| + | 1. It is unclear whether 'Types of friendships' and 'Types of grudges' are an extension of that, something on top (e.g. Childhood friends who I have a Business rivalry with) or whether its only world gen fluff.<br> | ||
| + | 2. The mechanic of improving relationship should be grouped with personal relationship or at least noted to affect only those. Since the rest seem to be simple connections (you either came out of your mother womb or not)<br> | ||
| + | 3. it is unclear whether non-personal relationship supplement personal e.g. do I have to like my nice? Will master take an apprentice they don't know or like?<br> | ||
| + | 4. it is unclear where 'Relationship variables' come in (too many titles with word relationship in it).<br> | ||
| + | --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 23:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC) | ||
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| + | 5. The article notes that relationships status can be reversed "Dwarves who don't chat enough may lose acquaintances over time", up to what point does that apply? I doubt that ignoring your spouse would turn them into your lover.. <br> | ||
| + | 6. Same for relationships reciprocity: "Urist can treat Bomrek as a long-term acquainted buddy, while Bomrek counts Urist as a barely recognised person." but I doubt that Urist can become a lover without being recognized. Prerequisite for moving up the status leader are also unclear.<br> | ||
| + | --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 23:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 23:34, 23 December 2021
Can dwarves who were once friends stop caring about each other? I have two miners, great buddy's, until i sent one to channel out a system, and he fell out of the bottom, a 2z level drop into a cavern.
Is it safe to send the other guy in? or will it spiral?
- What are you, an elf? WHen a real dwarf doesn't know something, he'll grab his pickaxe and churn the magmapumps until he's found out! Bringing doom and destruction upon the world in the name of !!SCIENCE!! all day, every day!--Guardian of Silverybearded (talk) 13:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Friendly Acquaintance[edit]
I'm noticing a "Friendly Terms" that is different from "Friend". Anyone know how this fits into the relationship hierarchy? --Squirrelloid (talk) 22:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
- Do "long-term acquaintances" still exist? I don't see any in my fort's relationships on a cursory look in v43.05. I do see a lot of "friendly terms". Did the name get changed from "long-term acquaintance" to "friendly terms" in this version? Does the dead of a "friendly terms" dwarf cause negative thoughts? At any rate, "friendly acquaintance" is now included in the list of relationships, but I think the article could use more information about this. --2128 (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Second lover[edit]
I'm not quite sure how this happened.
By the time I noticed, the husband and lover were both dead. There was a time after her husband died that her lover was a ghost, and they interacted for a while before he was put to rest. It's possible the lover romance began after he was already a ghost. Again, not sure exactly what happened since I didn't notice their relationships earlier. --2128 (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
More than one master at a time?[edit]
Is it possible for a dwarf to study under more than one master at the same time? --2128 (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Relationship forming mechanics update for temples and taverns[edit]
I don't think I've ever seen any of my dwarves doing a "chat" activity in my v43.05 fortress. They do "Socialize", they sing music, they listen to poetry, they tell stories, and I don't know quite how all of these activities affect their relationships. The ones that spend a lot of time in the taverns seem to get to know each other. --2128 (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
mutually exclusive?[edit]
Is there any relationship that are mutually exclusive? e.g. can two dwarfs both be friends and have a grudge; or have a 'grudge' with 'Long-term Acquaintance' who is 'Former Master' and a 'Nephew'. --Jan (talk) 00:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
≡EXCEPTIONAL≡ my ass. This article is very confusing, it does a great job of listing all the relationships types that can be seen in the Relationships screen, but not their effect or how they work. The personal relationships system is akin to d&d one. Where you have relationship levels that grow through interaction 'Passing Acquaintance '-> 'Long-term Acquaintance' eventually forming either friendship or grudge depending on compatibility.
1. It is unclear whether 'Types of friendships' and 'Types of grudges' are an extension of that, something on top (e.g. Childhood friends who I have a Business rivalry with) or whether its only world gen fluff.
2. The mechanic of improving relationship should be grouped with personal relationship or at least noted to affect only those. Since the rest seem to be simple connections (you either came out of your mother womb or not)
3. it is unclear whether non-personal relationship supplement personal e.g. do I have to like my nice? Will master take an apprentice they don't know or like?
4. it is unclear where 'Relationship variables' come in (too many titles with word relationship in it).
--Jan (talk) 23:11, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
5. The article notes that relationships status can be reversed "Dwarves who don't chat enough may lose acquaintances over time", up to what point does that apply? I doubt that ignoring your spouse would turn them into your lover..
6. Same for relationships reciprocity: "Urist can treat Bomrek as a long-term acquainted buddy, while Bomrek counts Urist as a barely recognised person." but I doubt that Urist can become a lover without being recognized. Prerequisite for moving up the status leader are also unclear.
--Jan (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)